Elliot Roe Exposes How Your Subconscious Mind Tries to Sabotage Your Finances | E37
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to a very, very special edition of the Money Mondays. Out of all my years in interacting with thousands and thousands of speakers, instructors, coaches, etc., there's only one that I've actually paid money to and hired to help me with my mindset, and he is sitting about four feet away from me. But in between us is the real Tarzan who gets over 200 million views a month across social media.

I don't know if that number is right because you got 92 million views last week alone. So I don't know. It's going up. Our price is going up. Yesterday's price is not today's price. All right. So we got the real Tarzan here. We have a very special guest. As you guys know, on the Money Mondays, we talk about three core topics, how to make money, how to invest money, how to give it away to charity. But because we have a special guest here, we might deviate a little bit and talk about some more interesting topics that really focus on the mindset. So please give a warm round of applause to Elliot Rowe.

Hey guys, thanks so much for having me on the show. Absolutely. All right, so Elliot, the way this works here is we do a quick two-minute bio so we can get straight to the money. Okay, so I'm Elliot Rowe. I'm a mindset and performance coach. I'm based here in Salt Lake, Utah, but originally from London. I've spent the last 12 years helping high performers reach the highest level of competition and actually really be able to perform at their best in the moments when they need it the most.

So it's taking people who are sort of top 10 in the world who are trying to get to number one. So this has been professional athletes, traders on Wall Street, large numbers of professional poker players, professional gamblers, CEOs of companies, and really helping them understand why they're running the programs they're running that are creating self-sabotage issues and sort of reframing those and helping them through it. So you're dealing with a lot of alpha males and alpha females that are very strong, powerful leaders, right?

how do you break down someone let's just say for me right you're dealing with someone that has to deal with a lot of humans all the time and has to be a leader to break them down to feel comfortable enough to tell you their issues problems fears concerns etc um i mean i guess part of it is it's you're not trying to break them down it's sort of trying to build that rapport that trust and understand that everyone's on the same team so a lot of people go into coaching situations and sometimes they feel like there's some kind of competition and

And instead of turning it into a competitive, you know, I'm going to tell you what to do. You're going to do it. This is we're going to work as a team together to understand your subconscious. And it's me and your rational mind against the subconscious program that's creating the problem. And it's really, I think, that teamwork and understanding that we're on the same team. We're working together to get that change, which is going to make you as much money as possible, which is usually why people are coming to me.

so let's get vulnerable the one topic the main topic i want to talk to elliott about was needles so i grew up and we figured out or elliott helped me figure out that when my father he was going through dialysis and so i'd sit there and watch him they'd remove his blood for two to four hours at a time and have to recirculate his blood back in basically clean his blood and i would sit there at the hospital with them or at the dialysis center

for hours and hours at a time. And that's basically my main memories of my father. And so I think that was the main topic. And he walked me through like, why, why did I see that? What happened with the nurses? Like we went deep into that. I don't want to bore you guys with all the details, but I had this insane fear of needles. See how you use the word had back in the days used to, where if I said the word needles, my hands would turn pitch white. I'd freak out, et cetera. And consciously didn't bother me. So I've told Tars in this before, before I even hired you and worked with you,

I don't mind pain. You can hit me as hard as you want. You hit me. Like, I don't, I don't mind pain. I'll go and cut my fingers and hands in the ranch. I don't, I'm not scared of blood in a physical sense, consciously, subconsciously, which you helped me break down as that. I had this thing that was like a stigma or whatever you want to call it. It was just like watching my, my father go through that situation. But yeah,

After the last few months, I can say needle, needle, needle. I can say it all the time. I've been staring at needles, watching it on YouTube, watching friends do IVs. And I still haven't done it yet personally, which I'm going to. But I don't even say it once, feel weird about it. Not at all. Not even a little bit. And so now I'm like overly practicing because I want to get to that moment where Tarzan and I actually have a group chat. We're actually buying an IV company to have IVs at the ranch. That's how much I want it. Like I want to own IVs, not just like...

Not just have them, I want to own it. I want to own it.

So what can you say about that main concept of what you helped me with? Yeah, so I believe that all fears are learned. So we come into the world fresh and we learn our fears. So from an evolutionary perspective, so if you think about it, it was very useful for children to pick up fears easily from their parents. So you're in the jungle, there's a tiger, your mom starts screaming and freaking out, you know you're supposed to be scared of spiders, it's life and death.

That's very useful for our subconscious. Unfortunately, in modern life, it's not as useful. So if we talk about the needle situation, there's something that's created a fear there that's made your subconscious believe this is life and death. And it's not a rational fear, but your subconscious has decided, I am going to protect Dan every way I can from this because this is something that's very important in this life and death.

So what we use with hypnotherapy is we can get into a guided meditation state. There's no magic. It's not like the stage shows, but you get very, very relaxed. And then it shows you these memories and where these issues are coming from. And then you can reframe them. So we can look at it from a more rational perspective, an adult perspective. We can bring love into memories where there might have been tragedy or there may have been abuse or whatever issues.

And by reframing those memories, the trigger changes. So the trigger that was there is no longer there before. I actually came into hypnotherapy because someone had recommended a hypnotherapist for my fear of flying. So I had a horrific fear of flying. The same sort of thing as you're describing. So I'd be in a taxi going to the airport and I would have like a massive heart rate. I would be convinced I was going to die every time I got on the plane. Just extreme fear.

Couldn't understand it. Wouldn't even fly long hauls. So at the time, I wouldn't be here in America. Went and saw a hypnotherapist. She takes me through this process of getting very relaxed, tracing back the memories. First couple of memories were just turbulence in planes, so it made sense. And then came up with a memory of me seeing a picture of a small plane at my granddad's house as a small child and being told that it crashed and killed one of his business partners. So...

It was really interesting. We worked through it. We went through the logic, released all the stress and tension. Afterwards, I didn't have the same response to flying anymore. And what was most interesting is I wasn't consciously aware of the memory. So I spoke to my parents and I was like, this thing came up.

And I was showing this picture. Was that real? And they were like, yeah, that was real. You remember? And I was like, well, I didn't remember. And now I understand. And because of that, I went and got trained as a hypnotherapist because it blew my mind that my life was like, I can now travel the world. And that was a really big deal for me. So I'm going to become a nurse and actually start doing needlework. Well, you're going to buy an IV center. I mean, you're basically doing the same.

So you mentioned children realizing that there's a tiger that should run away. Can you explain why the real Tarzan would run towards the tiger and cuddle with it and make a video with it? Your mom didn't shout enough when the tigers came. That's the thing. You talk about that. Parents give us fears. Both my parents are completely fearless. So I think that's where I got that from. It makes complete sense because it's your learning as a child. This is danger. This is life and death. And then the subconscious kicks in.

And it doesn't have to be something rational. And that's what so many people like, like you're describing with the needles, they have something where they're like, this doesn't make sense. This doesn't fit the rest of my personality. But for whatever reason, my whole system triggers in that moment. And the majority of the work I'm doing isn't on the fears like this, but it's like,

People have it when they talk to investors. They can't make the sales call when their bank account hits a certain level I've got a lot of guys who and it can be a million dollars ten million dollars fifty million dollars when they hit a certain number They start freaking out and they self sabotage and they bring that number down to a level They're comfortable at and it's helping people understand where this logic came from and how it's really just they're trying to keep themselves safe and

because of something they've learned previously, but because it was something that was learned, it can be unlearned.

than this is innately you so the number one fear is technically public speaking yeah number two fear is snakes why does Tarzan the first time we got here we're at the muscles house right now at the muscle on Instagram right his house right now because we're about to throw a 7,000 person event the second we get here Tarzan sees a mountain side he's like oh I'm gonna go find snakes he walks away but

This will be good content. Yes, Utah, snakes, mountains for sure. So why do some people walk towards fear like that? Well, I think it's because, well, one, people like challenging themselves, but also I would probably say it probably isn't a fear for you. And that's the difference because it's not necessarily walking towards the thing that really triggers you. For you, it's interesting. It's exciting. For other people, it may be a fear.

And just everyone has their own triggers and it's understanding that just because something's scary for one person doesn't mean it's scary for someone else. And that's why we can have different, you know, different superpowers in different areas. So you mentioned something. Oh, go ahead. No, a few years ago I had a public speaking engagement in New York and it was my, like my first time, my first year going viral and I never done a real public speaking event and I was petrified. Yeah. Like literally scared. And luckily I had to wear a snake mask.

so they calmed you down yes nobody i wore the snake right and i started speaking and the snake like literally wrapped himself around my whole face and i couldn't see it but i could still talk so now i'm talking on stage to all these people and uh like literally i can't see so i'm like calm because i can't see this giant crowd and everybody's like cracking up laughing i'm like guys actually this is perfect because i'm really scared of y'all versus not scared like he's fine so yeah it's uh it's crazy you say public speaking in snakes and how that you know kind of merged and

Yeah, it's awesome. So you mentioned that some of your clients actually have a fear of hitting a certain number financially, $1 million, $10 million, $50 million, et cetera. Wow.

I mean, that's a fascinating topic. Like, why do you think people are scared of money or success? So, so I think it actually starts off that they're not aware they have a fear of a certain, a certain figure, but what happens is when they hit that figure, they find themselves bringing themselves back to it again, bringing themselves down, bringing themselves down when they get past that level. And I've seen really interesting things over the years come up in sessions, uh,

For some guys, they have a real issue with making more money than their dad ever made. And it just comes up like they're... So they'll say, "Elliot, it's always when I hit a million dollars or five million dollars or whatever it is." And then we'll talk about the wealth of their parents and it'll turn out that that was the most money their dad ever had. And they've got some fear of overtaking their dad because that's going to change the social dynamics in a situation.

Other people get scared of making too much money and creating too much distance from their friends and peers and family because

there is a change in relationships as you become more successful than the people around you. And sometimes people like to cap that. So I can be twice as rich as my family, but if I'm five times as rich, that might mean they don't love me so much. They might judge me for being rich. They might think of me differently. And these aren't consciously understood issues. So they couldn't logically explain why they have this. But when we're in those sessions and we're going deep,

They'll start saying, I'm worried about my brother not talking to me anymore. My dad at the dinner table used to say that rich people were evil. And what was rich, rich was the neighbor who had five million dollar house. So they don't want to be that person because that's who their family was criticizing. There's also a lot of people who struggle with self like fear of success because if they can put a cap on it.

then they're in a situation where they're like... They're just not gonna fail. So they know they're gonna hit this level, but... If they can give it 80% and get to here...

they still could know they can still say well if I gave it a hundred percent I would have got there but they don't have to find out if they've actually got the potential so some people hold themselves back so they never have to find out what their potential really is and that's something I end up talking to people a lot as well so we're on the money Mondays let's talk money why should a high-level performer male or female spend tens of thousands of dollars hiring a high-level coach to mentor them or walk them through some of these subconscious things I'm

So really it's a case of what the potential is, what's the upside potential and how are you holding yourself back. So the way I usually describe it to clients if I'm doing a sales call, I'm talking to someone about whether I'm the right fit for them. This is a do you know what to do? Because if you don't know what to do, you should find a strategy coach, full stop. So if you don't know what the next steps are in your business, you should be finding a business coach. If you know what to do,

but you're not able to do it so you're not pulling the trigger you're not making the sales calls you're not investing in the company or whatever it might be then you need a mindset coach because more knowledge won't fix the problem but overcoming these subconscious programs will fix the problem and then it just comes down to how much money is that costing you and if it's costing you millions of dollars working with someone who has a lot of experience helping people through these issues make sense if it's costing you you know a few thousand dollars tens of thousand dollars it

It's not gonna be a good purchase for you But it's usually just how much money am I costing myself every year because I can't do the thing I know I should be doing and that's where I say you really should be looking for a mindset coach of some kind So you're on the high-end spectrum. Obviously, you're a high-end coach for athletes poker players CEOs, etc Walk us through like the main main concept of fees when it comes to a high-end coach and

Like, how do you determine it? Since you especially get are bombarded and you told me how booked you are. Like, what are the main things you can talk about of like general fees of what people should be considering if they're looking for a coach or if they're looking for an entry level coach, how do they decide, you know, those type of numbers? So, so again, it really comes down to what you believe your potential is. So how much more money are you looking to make to overcome this problem? And then how likely is it that this, this coach has the experience to be able to help you to that solution faster than another coach?

So, you know, it's just it's like gambling. You know, you're placing a bet effectively in my company. So there's myself at premium prices and then I've trained up. I've got eight coaches underneath me at different price levels. One of the things and then an app lower than that so that we've got like free content for people and then sort of very good value coaching. What's the app? It's called Primed Mind. And what's that cost?

So you can download it for free or I think it's about $10 a month, $70 a year. And that's got like 300, 400 hypnosis audios to work on confidence, sleep.

et cetera, you know, preparing yourself for things. So primed mind, prime mind, 10 bucks a month or $70 for the year. Sorry, it's a money money. So I like to give a lot of people to the pro mind. Um, and then there, there are sort of coaches who work in ballpark pricing is around 1500 for 10 sessions all the way up to, I charge 80,000 a year or 50,000 for six months. So there's, and there's coaches in between at every level. Got it. So, um,

when they're considering, you think they should be considering based on either the financial level or what the financial thing is. What about for people that don't know? They're like, they know that they need a coach or they know that they need a mentor. They've finally realized it, or maybe they just realized it here listening to us talk through it.

maybe it's not for one specific thing. They just know they need to hire someone. Is it based on their financial comfortability or? So, so I actually think you have to be careful about, and I'm different to a lot of coaches in this sense. I think you have to be careful about overstretching yourself when it comes to hiring a coach. So I will never say to someone, take out a loan. I think you shouldn't be taking out a loan. It should be something that's comfortable for you where the money that you're investing in yourself isn't actually becoming a stressor in your life and a trigger.

So if you think about, you know, what would you normally spend on a vacation? If you comfortably spend this amount of money on a weekend away in California, then spending that on a coach should be a relatively easy decision for you to make. So it's really that sort of basis of it should be an amount of money where you can feel it, you understand you're making an investment in yourself.

But certainly when it comes to, you know, should I be taking out a credit card? Should I be taking out a loan? I think that creates a pressure that can have a negative impact on the money mindset because you're suddenly in a place of scarcity, of desperation, of this has to work quickly for me. This should be, this is just a very logical gamble for me to take.

because I can see millions of dollars of upside and the cost is X. Right, spending tens of thousands. Yeah. So we have four masterminds. I have a $10,000 one, $15,000 one, a $30,000 one, and a $100,000 one. All different levels for all different types of business people, etc. I'm obsessed with masterminds. We have over 800 members amongst these four groups.

It's not as in-depth as a one-on-one coach. The difference of joining a mastermind is that there's a networking element to it that it's not just about the instructors. It's about the other members that are paying 10K, 15K, 30K, 100K, et cetera. You also do live events. You just had an annual conference. Walk us through in a live event format. Why should people be at live events? Why should people go to group events or masterminds?

So I created mine. So I basically bring my clients together at a very small event. So I usually do a maximum of around 15 people. We have a large house that we rent out here in Utah and we do a four day event where all of the clients can get to know each other and network. I'm fortunate I know a lot of high performers from different industries.

And that means I can introduce them to each other. There's a lot of the time where, you know, I want a reason I want to be able to introduce my clients because of the upside that they have from having those sorts of meetings. I think meeting in person is something that obviously post COVID is really important right now. And also as you're going through the levels of progress, and I'm sure you've seen this with a lot of the people in your mastermind, typically your social circle that you grew up with,

you can't have the same conversations with them that you would like to have. And you need to find a peer group of people who you can literally, you can talk about your taxes and it's not going to offend anyone. You can talk about how you're looking to grow your business and it's not going to offend anyone. You can talk about having to hire and fire your staff. Um, and it's not going to be an awkward conversation because, you know, someone else knows that they're the member of staff they're being spoken about. So I just think creating these in-person events, um,

Getting vulnerable is really important in these events and then just looking to help each other as much as you possibly can because the more you give at these events from what I've seen, the more you get back. So at the 100 million masterminds, $100,000 a person. And the way I frame it for sales is everyone has to have at least a $10 million company. And I say, do you think myself and 22 instructors and 100 members can help you make or save 1%? If I can help you make or save 1% and you do 10 million in sales,

I'm free. And the things that you learn and the people that you meet don't go away. You meet Tarzan and Elliot and all these people at the Mastermind and they taught you how to save 3% and they taught you how to make 2%. Holy smokes. You made or lost and saved $500,000. You paid $100,000. It's free. And the things that you learn don't go away. Now you know that tax trick or you know that investment trick, etc. And so we've been able to sell it every year because of this concept of like if you do X and we can save you Y, then...

Why not? And that's how I think all coaching should be. It should always feel like it was free afterwards. So we should always be in a situation where the upside was so great or the potential for upside was so great that it just feels like, hey, this is free for me. It's just something sensible to do.

So I also don't think of it as a cost or paying. I think it's an investment. Yeah. And Sam, you mentioned earlier investing in yourself. I can't imagine a better investment than investing in yourself because again, it doesn't go away. We've heard people like Alex Ramosi and friends of ours that they talk about investing in yourself because if you learn that skill, you are changed forever and your price is going up. Right. And that's something that's very important, especially in our society where investing

There are millions of jobs that could get replaced along the way. Not yet. People are worried about AI taking over jobs. It's not happening yet. Don't worry. Most companies can't spell AI. Don't worry about it. They're still barely getting on Facebook and Instagram. So everyone's like, oh my God, everyone's going to use AI. I'm like, I can't get them to use Facebook. Relax. Anyways, I could go on and on about that forever.

And so at some point though, it is coming that there are certain categories of jobs that people are literally going to get phased out. My fear is in certain categories like fast food service, if they start replacing it with robot tellers or electronic cashiers, which they're doing in a lot of places already.

Well, you're talking about millions and millions of jobs that are going to be not having anywhere to go to because they don't have skills. And so I want people to learn. I want people to get smarter. Not necessarily in college or not necessarily in the thing that people in a traditional society. I think that trade schools are going to be much bigger than ever because trade jobs and trade schools are going to be huge. They are not going to replace chefs. They're not going to replace cooks.

actual doctors. They're not going to replace nurses with robots. I'm not going to trust a robot nurse. I'm not going to trust... I also don't want a robot chef. People like to have cooked with love, not cooked by robots. So the point is that I think in our society that people... The reason I'm so passionate about learning is I want people to get smarter, more efficient, more functional because...

We're in a place in our society that the government wants us to depend on them. And the more we can depend on ourselves and each other, the less control that they have in that scenario. And I'm not like anti-government. I'm pro us. I want everyone to succeed on their own and not have to worry about getting a $1,200 stimulus check. I want them to worry about, well, shoot, I need to get $12 million because I have XYZ. So investing into yourself,

It changes your life forever. If you learn a language, you can now become a tutor in that language. If you learn a skill on computer programming, you can now charge a lot of money for computer programming. The same thing applies for guitar, language lessons, anything that you do. If you learn how to run podcasts, you can now teach people how to do podcasts. These skills are attainable because you can learn online or learn from a mentor.

So my question is, we have people talking about making money. We've talked a bit about investing yourself. What about on the charity side? Why do you think that charity is important for individuals or for businesses? So I think from an individual basis, certainly a lot of the people I work with work in zero-sum games.

So they're working on the stock market or they're working in poker or they're professional gamblers and they often don't feel like they're giving anything back. So they're making this money but then they're sort of questioning, hey, wait a minute, what did I do that for? And I think the giving it back really gives purpose and it allows you to then choose to reach another level.

So there's a reason for becoming even more successful once your needs are met, once you've got even the luxuries are met. You know, why would you continue pushing yourself, reaching your full potential? Well, if you can impact hundreds of thousands of people, if you can impact millions of people, you can really start to feel good about yourself and you can encourage other people then copy you.

And they'll do the same thing. I mean, with the app, one of the reasons we brought that out and we made it free for certain sections, like education for exam stress, all of those ones are always free for people to listen to, was just one of these, like, how do we give back? How do we make sure there's some content for literally anyone on the planet who has a phone so that they can work on their mindset? And it's just, they can put in the initial work without having the excuse of, I don't know, you know, I don't have the money to pay for it. It's like, cool.

It's free. Put in 10 minutes. Listen to an audio. Try and boost yourself. So that's how I viewed it is like the more you can give, the better you feel about yourself. And then the more of a reason that you have for then pushing yourself further and testing your potential. Why should companies, CEOs and owners consider hiring coaches and mentors for their top executives or for their general staff? Again, I think this is a hey, do your team know what to do, but they're not able to do it?

So if you haven't educated your team and they're really just unsure, if they're just stuck, then obviously you need consultants, you need business coaches. And if your team are just there infighting, there are issues with communication, there's cultural issues. If you can fix a cultural issue in a company or if you can help people like uncover work through these blockages, you're going to have a more efficient, more effective team. And also they're going to feel cared for.

And if they feel cared for, they're much more likely to stay with you longer. And if you have a good team, losing them is extraordinarily expensive and investing in them, you know, it's not cheap, but it's not as expensive as losing key members of staff.

I think some owners of companies get scared about investing in their staff in case they leave. Become too high level? Yeah, and some people may, but the truth of it is... They were going to go anyway. They were going to go anyway, and you've got a much better team through that period. So I think that's one of the fears some CEOs have of, well, if I give too much training, they're just going to leave me. It's like, well, instead you might have an inefficient team. How much more dangerous is that? For sure. One of my biggest...

feel like accomplishments, if you will, is almost all my staff has been with me for three to 10 years. I have very little turnover. I can name the few people out of the 50, 100 employees. Like they don't leave because I do train them. I pay them the right amount. I make an environment where they get to run their department or run their world. And I get to be in the background as the coach or the helper, the,

I don't want to call it the boss because we're working together. I'm not like this unless they're doing something wrong. Like I'm not like yelling at them, you know, and I can most of my executives and most of the staff in general is just like I can three years, five years, seven years, eight years, nine years, 10 years because I don't want to replace them. Yeah, I don't want them to leave. And so I also tell them very bluntly, like, if you are considering leaving, let's have a discussion about it because I don't want you to leave.

And I'm firing people that they are passionate about their niche of what they do with me or for me. Whether it's the agency, the live events, the masterminds, acai bowls and sports cars, whatever we're doing, like the ranch, like I want to find the best animal person on the planet, right? I wouldn't do it, a sanctuary without the number one guy in the world, right? Like, and so I look at those types of things

that making them the best that they can be, I'm not scared about them leaving. Yeah. I'm not. And actually, there was one guy that left as I forced him to leave because he was going to go work with ClickUp because he was one of the co-founders of ClickUp. It's a $4 billion company. Bro, go. You should go. Sounds like a good idea. Yeah. I love him, but like, go. Okay. Last thing. Tarzan. Are there any animals...

that you are scared of? Humans. I tell you guys all the time. Humans. But actually, no. But actually, yes. Actually, yes. Animals don't really scare me.

I used to have a I used to be petrified of tarantulas okay and spiders for a long time when I was a kid Yeah Because I could never understand them tattoo one And reason I got it there for that placement is because I literally had to you know, like put one like I could not live with myself and

being scared of tarantulas and centipedes and stuff like that. I spent a couple years at a reptile facility in Florida and I was honored to have a bug coach.

Wow. He was this guy named Pete Katz. I'll never forget him. He's one of my dearest friends to this day. Old man. He's from upstate New York. And he is obsessed with bugs. And I used to go inside his room and he'd have like, we do imports and exports. He'd have like a thousand tarantulas he's got to take out of these little cups. Put them in a little bit, a two inch bigger cup.

Give him food, give him water. And these things are escaping. He's grabbing them, putting them in. And I'm freaking out. And one day I just sat right next to him and I saw him going piece by piece, animal by animal. I'm like, dude, ow. He goes just like this and grabs one. He puts it on me and then he starts putting all these tarantulas on me. I'm just like, bro, oh my God. They're just all over me. He goes, Mike, 95% of the time, this animal will never bite the surface it's on. Understand that. Cook it in your brain.

like eat it, live it, live and die by it. You're not going to get bit 95% chance not getting bit. Yeah. Don't worry about it. And how'd you feel about it afterwards when they came off for you? Is this like good freedom? Yeah. So much freedom to know that someone's so knowledgeable. I respect it so much. My bug coach, you know, and uh, Tarzan explain to Elliot Rowe and some millions of people on the money Mondays. Why do you say that you're scared of humans?

Man, being scared of humans is a thing, you know, that I'm real passionate about.

Putting out the good message on animals because people think pit bulls are bad or snakes are bad or spiders are bad. But if you see a snake and he's trying to bite you, he's trying to bite you. If you see a person smiling, he might not be smiling. He could try to bite you. A snake's not going to or a dog or a gorilla is not going to try to make friends with you and then just...

you know, attack you for no reason. They're going to attack you or give you many signs to let you know, hey, I don't want to be talked to. I don't want to be messed with. I don't want to be touched. Whereas humans, they can mask that really well, you know, and it's sometimes really hard with 8 billion people with 8 billion personalities. You got to kind of like weed through those moments, especially when you're close to somebody. And it's scary. It's actually, it's more petrifying than the spider aspect, you know, because 95% of the time you might get bit. Yeah.

You get 5% of those friends out there. And I'm lucky to have a very small circle of that 5%, but I'm really scared of that 95% of people. Elliot Rowe, tell us, where can people find you, the Prime Mind app? Talk us through everything Elliot World. Elliot World, yeah, so if you're interested in coaching, go to elliotrowe.com. You can apply for coaching. As I say, we've got

coaches at every different price level and I've trained them so they're running through the same techniques as me so yeah elliotrowe.com and primemind is on the iTunes store you know on your Android so search primemind or primedmind.com there's information about the app

you can download it there and yeah hope to change some lives and change some mindsets so thank you so much you want to change my life we're going to get you back here obviously we're going to be doing more of these episodes with you as we go through our coaching career with you helping me and we're working together on events etc so as you guys know we're here at the money mondays it's really important for you guys to have discussions with your friends families and followers about money

You can go to themoneymondays.com. We have our weekly coaching there. So that obviously any money that goes there goes to our world's largest toy drive, which is coming up in December. 10 cities in 15-day period. Cuckoo. But we're going to do it. We're going to break the records again with our toy drives. And so themoneymondays.com, you can go there. It's really important for us for you to share this. We've been number one for five months in a row on the entrepreneur category. We want to stay there.

because people need to have these discussions. We all grew up thinking it's rude to talk about money. We think it's rude to not talk about money because it leads to credit card debt. People don't know about mortgages, finances, leases, sales, apartments. They don't know investing. They can't spell 401k. They don't know what's going on because nobody talked to them about it. So have those discussions with your friends, families, followers. Make sure to check out Elliot Rowe on Instagram, his website, etc. And we'll see you guys next Monday.