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The Real Danger Within the Democratic Party of a Fundamental Crack-Up

2024/7/9
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一位深受欢迎的美国记者、政治分析师和《纽约时报》专栏作家,通过其《The Ezra Klein Show》podcast 探讨各种社会和政治问题。
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Ezra Klein:迅速变化的共识可能掩盖其潜在缺陷。他认为,民主党应该考虑一个开放的党代会来决定候选人,因为这可以提供更多信息,帮助他们做出更好的决策,并解决党内不满情绪。他批评民主党缺乏信息,并且他们的策略是让特朗普控制舆论,但这策略已经失败。 Jamelle Bouie:他无法确定拜登是否适合执政,因为他没有足够的相关信息。从拜登政府的表现来看,他似乎有能力执政,但其个人能力则难以评估。他认为拜登可能无法胜任未来四年的总统任期,因为他年龄已高,能力可能会有进一步下降。拜登在幕后可能胜任总统工作,但他作为总统的公众形象和沟通能力却有所下降,这会削弱他在幕后的影响力。虽然民主党内存在对拜登的压力,但最终决定权仍在拜登手中,党派对总统候选人的影响力有限。如果拜登的参选损害了党的团结,那么哈里斯领导的竞选团队可能会更强大。在党代会上罢免拜登的风险很高,可能导致混乱和分裂,不如让拜登继续担任总统候选人。如果民主党出现混乱,共和党可能会利用这一点进行攻击,因此需要认真对待潜在的风险。他认为,一个公开的党代会可能导致结果不被认为是合法的,特别是如果哈里斯被排除在外的话。对哈里斯的负面评价可能源于多种因素,包括她早期的政治策略、公众形象以及种族和性别因素。哈里斯的政治地位在2020年和2024年之间发生了变化,这与民主党政治理论的转变有关。尽管民主党倾向于提名温和的白人候选人,但政治并非完全机械化,哈里斯仍然有获胜的潜力。克莱伯恩的建议听起来不错,但仍然存在风险,特别是如果哈里斯表现出色,但民主党最终选择了一位能力较弱的候选人。民主党面临着分裂的风险,无论采取哪种策略,都可能导致党内不满情绪。拜登的总统任期掩盖了民主党内部的分歧,目前的局势可能导致党内分裂。民主党面临着多个次优选择,他们必须做出选择并坚持下去。2024年民主党全国代表大会在芝加哥举行,这让人想起1968年芝加哥民主党全国代表大会的混乱局面,尽管两者背景不同,但都存在一些相似之处。

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It was once a fringe opinion to say President Biden should drop his re-election bid and Democrats should embrace an open convention. That position is fringe no more. But when the conventional wisdom shifts this rapidly, there’s always the danger of overlooking its potential flaws.

My colleague, the Times Opinion columnist Jamelle Bouie, has been making some of the strongest arguments against Biden dropping out and throwing the nomination contest to a brokered convention. So I invited him on the show to talk through where he and I diverge and how our thinking is changing.

Book Recommendations:

Into the Bright Sunshine) by Samuel G. Freedman

Wide Awake) by Jon Grinspan

Illiberal America) by Steven Hahn

Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected].

You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast). Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs).

This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Elias Isquith. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Kate Sinclair and Mary Marge Locker. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Efim Shapiro and Aman Sahota. Our senior editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Annie Galvin, Rollin Hu and Kristin Lin. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Sonia Herrero.