Democrats defend institutions because they prioritize respect for expertise and science, while Republicans distrust them due to a perception of liberal bias and a desire to dismantle or weaponize them for political gain.
Democrats' defense can lead to a lack of clear-eyed criticism, making it difficult to address institutional failures that many Americans experience, thereby creating an opening for right-wing criticism and reform proposals.
The pandemic exposed deep flaws in institutional responses, such as school closures and economic lockdowns, which were perceived as coercive and often ineffective, leading to a loss of trust and increased polarization.
Agencies are driven by a need to defend their decisions against potential legal and political attacks, leading to a culture of risk aversion and a focus on process to avoid criticism rather than achieving desired outcomes.
Adversarial legalism, characterized by frequent lawsuits against the government, creates a culture of fear and risk aversion, driving agencies to rely on rigid processes to defend their decisions and avoid legal scrutiny.
The Democratic Party's tendency to marginalize and ostracize dissenting voices, rather than engaging in constructive conflict, has contributed to a perception of insularity and a lack of responsiveness to public concerns.
'I-95-ness' refers to the ability to prioritize and swiftly address critical issues, as demonstrated by Josh Shapiro's response to the I-95 collapse. It is important for Democrats to show this kind of leadership to build trust and demonstrate effectiveness.
Recommended books include 'Why Nothing Works' by Mark Dunkelman, which examines how the left has hindered its own goals, and 'The Unaccountability Machine' by Dan Davies, which explores why institutional failures often result in no clear accountability.
The core conflict in our politics right now is over institutions. Democrats defend them, while Republicans distrust them, and seek, in some cases, to eliminate them.
This is really bad. It’s bad for institutions when Republicans are elected, because of the damage they might inflict. And it’s bad for institutions when Democrats are elected, because when you’re so committed to protecting something, it’s hard to be clear-eyed or honest about all the ways it’s failing. And when Democrats won’t admit to the problems that so many Americans can see and feel, that creates a huge opening for the right. So, what are Democrats missing?
Steven Teles is a political scientist and director of the Center for Economy and Society at Johns Hopkins, and a senior fellow at the Niskanen Center. Jennifer Pahlka is the founder of Code for America and the author of one of my favorite books on why government doesn’t deliver, “Recoding America: Why Government is Failing in the Digital Age and How We Can Do Better).” She’s also a senior fellow at Niskanen.
In this conversation, we discuss how and why the country has become polarized over institutions; the ways this was supercharged during the pandemic; the reasons government agencies are so focused on process, often at the expense of outcomes; how a second Trump administration will probably distract from some much needed institutional reforms; and more.
This episode contains strong language.
Recommendations:
“Voice and Inequality: The Transformation of American Civic Democracy)” by Theda Skocpol
“Infrastructure Costs)” by Leah Brooks and Zachary D. Liscow
Why Nothing Works) by Marc Dunkelman
The Unaccountability Machine) by Dan Davies
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