Anna's Guide To Creating Lasting Gal Pals
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today we're playing her first day as an influencer and she's slaying the house down she watched me set up all these cameras 75 times what is it the biggest fucking mosquito i've ever seen in my life oh he wants to be interviewed no he needs to get out he needs out wait cut the cameras well y'all welcome back to the pod

I'm Anna, and this is Anna's Guide. In today's episode, we have a special guest, the first guest. How does it feel? Honored. First guest. Wow. Who would have thought? Welcome back to Anna's Guide, a podcast where we're sharing everything about life and journeys and crises. And you know what? Besties. Hey. Because this is my bestie, Katie. Everyone say hello. Today we're going to be talking about something that I think is really difficult, and that's growing up and having friends.

that are girlies and all the things that come with that but also Katie is my longest lasting friend you're my longest lasting friend one of one of actually okay sorry there's somebody else I know they're always the immediate correction um but Katie I've been friends for seven years longer 10 years more than that oh my god that's a long time we've been friends for 10 years

I feel like I just met you. Like yesterday. I don't know anything about you. Who are you? Have you ever been to Krispy Kreme? Was it crispy? I mean like. I mean no. So that's kind of crazy. 10 years. Katie why don't we start this episode off with not saying how we met. We're going to start instead with a rosebud thorn which as you guys know is the little game that we play on my podcast. It is a rose which is your highlight of the week, your bud of the week, and your thorn. The bud is like your to come exciting thing that's like on the rise. Like maybe what you're looking forward to. And the thorn is like

The mosquito, honestly. Honestly, that was a little traumatizing. Stop. I'm done. There's going to be a compilation of us losing our marbles over the mosquito. A 30-minute compilation. For no doubt. No, the entire episode is going to be that. So, Katie, what's your rose of the week? What's the best part? And if you say that I'm here visiting you, I'm going to leave.

No, that is the best part. How'd you know? No, it is the best part. It's my job to be joyful. I think to spruce that one up a little bit, I've been very excited because we don't really get just us time anymore because like we always have the guys around or like other people around and this has been...

day three of just us time which is very rare to come by these days so I've been very excited for that. It's been day three of rotting. Let's be so real. We're rotting at the couch together and it like is bringing back all my college memories of like binge watching Housewives and like eating yeah everything bagels with cream cheese. Oh that's how we started. That's the origin story. Um

I love that. I would honestly say that my rose is like being here this week with you. And it's just like so nostalgic to be back in my hometown. It's crazy. Katie lives where I grew up because she's marrying someone that I went to high school with. So it's like so fun to kind of like get back and be in like a city that feels like home to me, but also my person that feels like home. So, whoa. Whoa. But yeah. What's your bud? Bud. We know the answer. We're going to have the exact same one, I feel like, for all three of these. I think...

Short term bud is the bachelorette party. We leave tomorrow. Very excited. But

also short term but more long term is my wedding in less than two months that's so weird so it's really coming up it's sneaking up so I am getting very excited more than nervous which I'm glad about like I'm just keep getting more happy and excited that it's around the corner so are you like in shock still that we're like at an age where we're getting married does that feel weird or do you feel like like you

You and Briar have been together. I'm going to name drop her fiance. His name is Briar. You guys have been together for like a minute. Six years in May, which is a little wild. So I feel like it's, yes, it feels surreal because I'm like, I'm 12 in my head still. So how am I getting married? But also the comforting part is nothing's really going to change after. We have a house together. We've been together for so long. So that's kind of comforting to me. Like it's a big life step, but also...

We're chilling. Yeah. It's okay. Yeah, 100%. That's so fun. Yeah. I was going to say bachelorette party. Can't wait. I mean, like, that's so easy. That's so, like, I feel like it's been the last two weeks, it's super been on my mind. Like, just knowing that it's coming up so quickly. Also, the fact that it's, like, what the heck is going on this summer. And I know that this is, like, the first, I'm really happy this is my first part of, like, my long wind of travel. I think my bud is, like, the travel I have coming up this summer. Because I'm in Michigan now and then, like, Greece and then Paris. So, yeah.

I'll be gone until Katie's wedding. And then Katie's wedding is at the end of all that travel too. So I'll be like round tripping Michigan pretty much for the next two months. But no sleep. Yeah. I'm excited for your wedding. I'm excited. I can't wait for my speech. Oh,

I'm just gonna play this podcast episode of us. Someone's like, cover off in the back. Boom. I'm gonna be like, cheers with my Shirley Temple. Let's get crazy tonight. Yeah, oh my god. Who has the Red 40? Add it to the drink. I don't know what it is with me and my obsession with Red 40 lately, but it's a key pillar in my jokes lately that I drink too much Red 40 because I love Shirley Temple. I feel like I'm gonna find, you know how there's like essence of you're scaring me?

No, it's just a normal one, but it's still there. There's like vanilla extract or like mint extract. I'm going to get like red 40 extract for you. Like in a little, a little bottle. Yeah. It's going to help. It's going to be, it's what I need in my life a little bit. Um, do you have a thorn? Yes. Oh, it's a little like boohoo. Okay. Lover girl. Okay. My fiance is halfway across the world from me right now. Oh, not very long distance.

But I was, like, really sad when he left because I'm like, whoa, that's really far away. Yeah. It's his first time out of the country, though. Like, exciting experience. I hope that he's, like, taking notes and taking you back soon. Yeah. He keeps texting me. I wish you were here with me. He's getting, like, these, we're getting these cute photo updates and also, like, random video calls being like, guys, look what I did today. Which is really about Katie. I'm not really in on it, but I'm just always next to her. So I feel like I'm, like, making it about me. No, I know. It's so sad. We miss him so much. Like, that's my thorn. I'm also like, that's my thorn.

mine oh my god how did you know that like I've just been really missing your fiance devastated that he's not here no truthfully I'm like that should have been my rose it's like Briar's gone I get kidding to myself um that should have been my rose for the sake um do you have one a thorn yeah

Or, like, from last week? Okay, maybe too vulnerable, but, like, we're kind of all sitting and waiting to hear about my grandma right now. My grandma's been in the hospital for the last two weeks. I did a random trip to Philly this last week. And I did, I made, like, a video a little bit ago being, like, it's tough to, like, watch the people that you love, like, kind of get sick and stuff. And, like, especially when it's, like, someone from old age, like, you're kind of...

Like, she's just in pain. Well, she's not in pain because she's on morphine, but it's, like, that weird thing where now she's, like, not really herself either. Yeah. I feel like my brain is trying to navigate that grieving because I haven't had a grandparent be in that position before. I feel like most of my grandparents I've lost... The only two that I've lost, which were both within the last couple of years, were, like, died during surgery and, like, was, like, old, old age, where, like, he really just...

He went out till the end and then just one day didn't anymore. So there was never, like, a sick that turned into, like, the waiting. Yeah. So I feel like that's just kind of been my thorn. And I feel like I grieved a lot last week being with her. But it's, like, the one thing that's kind of looming a little bit. And then I know it's just going to be, like, a complicated. It's a different kind of grieving for sure. And I feel like it's a grandma, not a grandpa. And not that, like, I wasn't close to my grandpas. But I think there's something about, like, there's, like, a womanhood to grandmas and granddaughters. For sure.

It's just sad. I still have both of them as of right now, but it's kind of like a weird thing of like, yeah, that's all. That's probably mine. That's a really depressing one. I'm sorry. We love the honesty. Katie's like, I miss my fiance. Stop. Literally. I'm like, I stubbed my toe earlier. No, no, no. But that's not also not to be like, mine gets worse. No.

But like that is just like a little bit. Katie and I had like a little heart to heart a minute ago where I was like waiting to get bad news about something completely unrelated. And then I got the bad news and I was like, oh no, what happened? And she's like, she died. And I'm like, oh no. Not even, no. No, I was like, actually it's just like a very personal. I was like, oh good then. Not achievement. But also sad. She's like, oh good, it's not her. But also sorry about the other thing. I was like, oop. Laughing is coping. Anyway. Yeah.

But this episode today is brought to you by Friendship, which we have. Yeah. And I'm so honored to have with you. I think we look pretty cute right now. We're in Katie's backyard. And exactly where we're meant to be. Should I say that? Can I say I'm in your backyard? Or like, is that too identifying? I don't know. It's a cornfield. Good luck finding her. Yeah. Good luck. Don't actually go looking for her. There's so many. Please keep her safe. Yeah.

How are we doing? We're still recording. I just keep doing like little checks to make sure. I'm worried. I'm fine. I'm not worried. Do we need to move inside? We can. I kind of love the vibes though, which is like I'll say we can, but I really don't want to. We can, but it's not a real option. It's like it's not really what I want to do. No, I'm good. Kate and I met at Western Michigan University when we went to college because we were random suite mates. And I was in a single and Katie was in a double. And...

We shared a bathroom. That's kind of how, in case you don't know how college suitemates work. I didn't catch him. I didn't murder anybody. Don't worry. So smooth. We shared a bathroom. So I think we bonded very quickly. Do you want to tell the story of how we bonded? I feel like that's where we have to start. Were you worried in college when you were entering college you were going to make friends or no? Um...

I don't think like long-term, like will I make any friends? But I think it's just such an overwhelming experience that it's like, you're just coping with a lot of change. Especially if you do move to like live on campus somewhere, you're like moving out of your house for the first time and being around all these people you don't know. And I'm, shocker, more of an introverted person. So it was a little bit like, this is a lot of like socializing with people I don't know, which is exciting, but it's also very draining to someone like me. So I was like,

I just don't know how this is going to go. And you always hear these horror stories. Like I know my... I think of one of my cousins who went to college and just had like the worst roommate experience ever. So I was like, oh, I hope that doesn't happen to me. So then I was...

Yeah. I got lucked out a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I actually had like a bad roommate story, which ended up, that's how I ended up as Katie's suite mate is I actually had moved up, moved out of being in a double. Um, I only lasted two days with a roommate. Yeah. And then I like had to move out and I moved into a single, so I didn't have a roommate at all. I only had suite mates, which was really nice. And then I lucked out that I met you guys. Yeah. And it was crazy because I got onto campus early cause I was in band. Marching band baby. And so we got everyone in band, got to campus early. Um,

So I was by myself just in general for like, I think a week and then everyone else moved in. So my like roommate roommate moved in and then Anna's room was just empty. They were like, no one's going to be living here. And we were like, oh, bathroom to ourselves. And then, yeah, like two days after, two days later, they were like, oh, just kidding. This she's someone's moving in. And we were like, oh, OK. It was me. And it was Anna. And it was the greatest blessing I could ever imagine. Let's be so real. So true.

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I love this story. Yeah. I was very sweaty. That's how all my stories start. And I was very sweaty. About to take a shower. And my roommate roommate was not there. I don't know where she was. And I think you had just moved in. Like, I didn't really know. Like, I probably said hi to you when you were moving in and then was on my way. And so I was about to get in the shower. And I went to, like, wash...

myself in the sink, like my face or my makeup wipe or something in the sink, there was the biggest spider I've ever seen. That's not true, but it was very big in the sink. And I'm very baby when it comes to bugs. Like literally look at us right now. Like honestly, like it doesn't get much more baby. And I was really, really scared. So I was like, Ooh, like I really need to use the sink, but I can't even turn the water on to like hope it goes down the drain. So yeah,

I creeped over because I think your door from the bathroom was cracked and I heard her in there and she was reading out loud and I didn't know what she was studying. So I was like, oh, is she like a theater major or something? Like she running lines. And I was like, wow, so studious. So I like kind of creep in a little bit like sweaty, disgusting. Can I interject? I was, was I really reading out loud? Yes. And I was like, wow, she's so smart. Yeah.

Guys, I like made this joke recently. I've made this joke multiple times. I'd take special reading classes. I probably shouldn't be out loud because I have trouble processing words when they're like on a piece of paper. Like a reading strategy. I love it. Katie's also a speech path. So I feel like she understands me and my struggles. Um,

God, I was reading out loud. That's so embarrassing. You were, but I really wasn't, like, I was admiring you. I don't know why. Like, I was like, wow. She's like, it's like the second day of school and she's reading stuff out loud. I'm like, smart girl. Getting it. She's probably reading the syllabus over and over. No, I probably was. Honestly. What was I doing? Now I'm kind of like,

I'm hyper aware of myself. I'm just a slow reader. I just have to like, sometimes it takes me time. Okay. No, I didn't think anything of it. I was like, wow, she's so studious. So I'm like, I'm like, okay, but she's there. So I kind of peek in. I look atrocious, sweaty, like makeup half off. You look in a towel. And I was kind of like bold. Bold for the first day. Yeah, fully just like on no clothes on. And I was like, um, so sorry to interrupt. Are you scared of bugs? And like, you were like,

know why and not like so like forced not forcefully but like so confident I was like there's the biggest spider I've ever seen in the sink and I am a baby and I need you to help me so she was like I'm on it and like gets up storms into the bathroom we're looking at it and we're both just like staring at it for a second and I'm like go on then like come on now you said you do this what are you doing and then you're just like I don't know what you even did if you like turn the water on and then we're both screaming in the corner of the bathroom and then like

slowly barely goes down the drain and then you like turn the water off and I'm like great thanks bye and the truth is I am like my one fear spiders like that is the one like even that like that mosquito did me in because it like had the legs of spiders like it was like I am an anti-bug person and

That's so mean. But like, I, I'm allergic to mosquitoes. My bites get like the size of balls. I'm like awful. I don't, I live in California. The worst you're going to find is like maybe a B as I watched that one go by terrified. Um,

I mean, I'm just not a bug person. I just am not a fan. So when Katie asked me, I was like, I can't seem. You stepped up immediately. Guys, I was like, my little bit of DeLulu wouldn't let me. It was like, I can't seem like the bitch in this house right now. That's reserved for me. No, just kidding. Yeah.

I was like, I can't be the baby right now. Like, I have to be mother right now. No, you really were. I have to, like, prove my worth. Like, I just took their one bedroom that they had a bathroom to themselves. I have to prove my worth. I have to prove my worth and stay. I have to, like, stand tall and, like, be worthy of existing here. You did that, though. You did that. I did get the spider, which was, like, great.

Like, great. And I feel like ever since then, I don't know if we trauma bonded over it, but every time, like, either of us was going to go do something, we were like, want to go with me? I also feel like we had that great dynamic in college. Like, I...

I was a little bit nervous about making friends only because I feel like I was kind of a weirdo in high school because I had a lot of weird passions. And then the crazy thing is that everyone is like that in college. Yeah. I don't know why, but I think everybody felt that way. At least like from where our dorm was, like our dorm was like the honors college. Like everyone is a little bit nerdy. A little bit nerdy. And then like. Which comes with like lots of unique interests and hobbies. Like lots of like music, engineering, like mathematics, speech path, like.

Like a lot of like more sciencey backgrounds. I feel like in our, like, I don't know what any of the students did that wasn't science based in our building really. Like I feel like our whole maybe like Ackley hall was maybe art. I don't know. But our floor was like very like, yeah. Sciencey. Um,

the AP kids from high school is what it felt like literally so like we all kind of had like weird little passions I think that helped us bond really quickly and then it was us and another gal another roommate that we had for a while and she we all three lived together for three years and it was so nice having just like I think you realize that everybody's fresh starting exactly making girlfriends was so quick and so I know a lot of people go none of us went to sororities in college so I feel like some girls will like go that route to make friends but we kind of lucked out that I feel like we picked up

friends like Pokemon cards, you know? Oh yeah. I don't know. That's not a good analogy, but I was thinking Pokemon go for some reason. I was about to run with it too. I'm like, thanks. I was thinking the same thing. She's lying. That's why she's my best friend. Um, but yeah, it made it like very simple to kind of get a best bud. Yeah. And then because I feel like we always solve, did I just whistle or did you just whistle with your teeth? I think it was me. I heard it. I was like, wait, I do that too. Wait, I do that. Um,

I think that there was just something where we lived in like, we went to a smaller college, like not small, but like Western was like 30,000. Comparatively. Comparatively to like U of M and MSU. Which is kind of nice because I feel like once you found your people, you like found your people. And it was a little bit clicky in that way, but also everyone was really nice. Yeah. We meet, right? Freshman year. Did you know that our friendship was going to last? Like, did you know we were going to stay friends? Do you think you can ever tell?

I don't know if you can ever tell, but I felt like I knew... At least to me, I was like, this is, like, a special friendship. Like, it's not, like, a surface level... Oh. It was... Like, you meet so many people that you have surface level relationships with, which is fine. And maybe it's the element of, like, living together. I feel like you really get to know each other. You get to know who you're with. You can know, like, that person very deeply. So if we were, like, not a match as friends, I feel like we would have known very quickly. But...

I don't know. I just felt like the way we connected, I was like, Ooh, yeah. It felt like a sister bond very quickly, I feel. And so to me, I was like, I hope that she's my friend forever. I'm like all fingers crossed every night when I go to sleep, like, I hope she doesn't leave me one day. I feel the same way. It was like the friendship insecurity of like, I hope I don't like her more than she likes me. I hope that I'm not calling her my best friend. She's not telling everyone that they're her best friend. But maybe that was it too. Like, I feel like we both were like, Oh, best friends. And it was kind of like,

That was it. Best friends. We're bonded. Yeah. And I feel like I was, that was just the understanding maybe of like, that's my person. No. And we do everything together. Even it was crazy because I feel like the most organic part was like we lived together all four years of college and it was never, I feel like I never thought for a second that I wasn't going to live with you. We just always assumed. We were like, okay, so I've been looking at new spots and she's like, yeah, me too. Yeah.

But yeah, we're starting to get a little drizzle, which I kind of like. It's like actually kind of refreshing. I'm under the tree, so. Oh, I'm not. But yeah, it's kind of crazy because I always like wonder that. I think like, oh, should I have like a little lesson? And the lesson that comes to mind for this is like, always have an open mind with it.

Because I feel like when I came into college, I don't know that I really had that many friends from back home, truthfully. I mean, other than I had a partner at the time, other than having someone that I was dating and being kind of roped in with whatever friends they had. Obviously, as a girlfriend, you get accessibility to all your boyfriend's friends. I feel like going into college with an open mind and knowing just be yourself, I feel like I met the people who were like me. I feel like we are very similar in a lot of things, even though we're very different in ways.

it's like we bounce each other out. Like black cat golden retriever energy. Yeah. Even though I feel like you're also the golden retriever at times. Um, but I feel like we were very like just ourselves from the get go. And so then it just made it very natural. And we were like, Oh, I like this person when she's doing weird things or when she's like vegging on the couch with me for three hours. Yeah.

But I think you can do that, like, in any new setting you go into. Yeah. Like, a workplace. That can be kind of hard. But, like, just being yourself from the get... Like... And professional. But, like, being yourself from the get-go...

And being open to, like, making new friends of all ages. Yeah. In workplaces. 100%. Okay, wait. Great, great topic switch then. Look at her go. She's literally a podcaster. So that brings me to say, like, meeting in college is easy because everybody's the same age. Right. Have you been able to make friends in adulthood? Like, has that been difficult? I don't know. I have so many opinions about this. Yeah, I think, too. Like I said earlier, I am introverted. So, like, I feel like I've always...

admired and you and Briar, like you guys are so like, I can talk to anyone. And like, I feel you guys connect with people very quickly and very easily. And for me, that's something I'm not the best at. Like I can do small talk with anyone, but I don't always feel like, oh, I really connected with that person. Like we had a great conversation. So it's been harder for me, but I think it just takes me longer. And maybe that's how a lot of people are, but

having an open mind and giving things time I think can really help like

one of my really close friends I met because she dates one of Briar's really good friends like you were saying like the boyfriend's friends and we were like we were always nice to each other when we met but I wasn't like oh fast friends like I don't know how we were like the fastest friends I've ever had but like it took a while of just like slowly getting to know her and now we're like so close. Peas in a pod. Peas in a pod like I couldn't imagine my life without her and it just kind of took a minute to get there but when it did it was like

It's like that thing where you're like, I don't really remember when we became friends, but we like did like just clicked really fast.

So it just takes time, I think, to organically happen. I feel like I lived in LA for like three years. And I feel like you know this, like before I made a friend at all. Yeah. Which is kind of crazy. Like I went to grad school. And so I thought that I was going to have like really fast friends from grad school, truthfully. But then it kind of became really difficult to make friends because we all went away for COVID. And by the time we got back, I had a presence online. And then I feel like I had like a huge insecurity of like, are they being my friend now?

because they want to be my friend or they're being my friend because they see me as, like... Right. I don't know. Everyone in grad school knows that the film industry is, like, a tough one to get into, and I somehow got a, like, a little quick... Not a liaison right into traditional media, but, like, got in it because of what I was doing online. And, like, I was always scared that I was, like, oh, my gosh, are they only being my friend because they want an opportunity that they know that I have a connection at or something? Yeah. Because then I didn't really make friends from grad school. And then I met Brew, and I was friends with Brew, and, like, he had friends, but I always...

a few of them now I feel like the same way like it's like his friends became my friends but they weren't obligated to be my friend because I was dating him all of a sudden so then it was kind of difficult too to like try to make friends with like the girls because they were also kind of already like instilled in their friend group yes and then you feel like an outsider um

But I made one adult friend, guys. No, I was so proud and excited. No, okay. We're going to tell the adult friend story. If you guys have seen Danielle, which Katie has met Danielle, which I feel like we love her. Shout out Danielle. I'm so obsessed. If anybody saw the Nila Khan concert, that's who Danielle is. I went to the concert with her in Nashville. Katie got to meet her at the swimwear launch, which I feel like was such a nice thing. We'll talk about a friend crossover. We're going to get to friend jealousy in a second, but talk about a friend crossover where like... Teasers!

um I love like that you got to meet like the only part like the person that I kind of see in LA right now and I feel like I knew Jocelyn too because I knew Jake which is her fiance right because he was in engineering with me yeah so we had like some classes together so I knew him and I knew of Jocelyn I think at the same time you probably did in college which is nice so also name dropping Jocelyn um that's the friend that keeps talking about um

But in LA, I made my first organic friend that wasn't from an app, wasn't from work, wasn't from anything. And get this, guys. What are the chances of this friendship? I'm not even trying to brag about another friendship in front of Katie. I'm like, keep it to yourself. I'm usually the friend that's like that.

Like, do you like them more than me? Yeah. You're like, so don't ever bring them up again, please. So, like, can you say the three nice things about me every time you say one thing about them? But I made this friend, Danielle, which, funny enough, I was in a yoga class with Allie at the time. And Allie moved away from L.A. pretty soon after this. So I had, obviously, Allie as a friend while she was in L.A. And I had her as a friend in Nashville, too. But you don't see somebody regularly when it's long distance. I feel like that's how we are. Thankfully, Allie's back. So I can still see her regularly. But Danielle and I...

We bonded very briefly during a yoga class in the locker room afterward about how difficult the yoga class was. And then I never saw her again. I like have a pretty good way with faces, but I'm not really great with names. I don't even think I asked her her name, which is honestly unlike me. I usually ask her her name all the time, but we kind of were like, that was the hardest class I've ever taken. And she kind of joined in the conversation with Allie and I that we were all in the class together. Like, oh my gosh, no, that was so impossible. We leave four months go by. I'm walking out to my car at Bruce apartment and a random girl walks

walks up to me at the car and is like, can I ask you something weird? And guys, I was having such a bad day this day. I was like... You're like... I just... Everything was toppling on top of me. And when she came up to me, I was like a little bit nervous because I knew that I kind of had like a like over-rolling attitude. So I was like a little bit nervous. I was like, oh no. Like I...

feel bad because I always like want to be on my like best when I go or like when I meet any of you guys like you guys are my extension of a friend truthfully like when I meet you in public I feel like I bond immediately because we know each other in this like interesting way where like you guys know a lot about me so when she came over I was like oh no I hope she doesn't like think that I'm like the biggest asshole right now because I didn't know what she was gonna say like obviously like I she it didn't register to me in that moment who she was she's like can I say something kind of crazy and I was like sure and I also was gonna risk because some people are like are you on the internet I'm like

am i defying internet um but she was like did you take a yoga class four months ago at like the equinox down the road um and complained to a girl in the locker room like kind of bond with a girl in the locker room over how difficult it was so specific and i love it now that you're saying that that does sound like a familiar conversation that i've had before and she's like well i like regret not asking to be your friend do you want to like go get coffee on friday

And she's like, I'm the girl. And I was like, it's me. Yeah, I would actually, let's do it. And we went and like, guys, that's so bold. She came up and she was like, let's be friends pretty much. She's like, I thought you were so nice. She's like, I loved your aura. I thought you were so cool. Like, let's be friends. Danielle did not have TikTok. And they've been together. And we've been together ever since. She did not know me from the internet. She, funny enough, like,

knew brew once like I kind of like started talking about brew and like showed her his photo and I was like oh yeah he's on this tv show that's how she knew him it's like she had watched the show but she like didn't process when I showed her him like who it was or anything and um it was kind of this wholesome thing where like I feel like I made a friend in the wine and like then we got to like we've been traveling together which is cute and I feel like that's a good lesson is like

I feel like a lot of women feel the same way about, like, I don't know. Like, I think all the girls that I talk to are, like, I have so much trouble making friends in my adulthood. And so, like, if you meet a girly who, like, you would be friends with, be friends with her. Yeah. And the worst that happens is it just kind of fizzles out or nothing comes from it. Like, you really can't lose out on much by not trying. Yeah. Like, at least you try and, like, you go out with them. And, like, if you don't see them again, I think that there's, like, a thing about, too, that I think is difficult is, like, we are all adults. We're so time gets so...

Like, I feel like I'm, like, racing for time in my adulthood. Like, just trying to find it for anything. But, like, the real friends find ways to, like, be a part of your day without it being overwhelming, without it being overbearing. And then you have these, like, wonderful relationships, even if they're not consistent. Like, you will never have the consistency that you had in high school and college. Yeah. I think in adulthood. Oh, agreed. But...

take the risk if you see a girly hooli you're like oh my god i love her style she seems like such a good person we spoke for 35 seconds i would like want to go out to coffee and get to know her more you never know who you're gonna meet exactly so it's like worth the risk co-signed

retweet retweet um and I love that I think that like kind of liaisons to do something I made a joke about but like jealousy I think there's jealousy in friendships and I think sometimes there's like a weird amount of jealousy in like womanhood yeah which I feel like we've talked about why do you think that we don't really feel competitive nature toward each other do you have any that's a tough question that is kind of tough

I honestly wonder if because of the nature of, like, how we became friends and, like, where we were at in our lives, like, it's a very much, like, figuring yourself out kind of period in your life. Yeah. So I feel like maybe because of that, we've seen each other kind of grow up and kind of grow into the people we are now. So we've always had that underlying foundation of, like, I'm rooting for you to, like, make good life choices and get where you want to be. Yeah. Because that's kind of just where we started anyways. Yeah. Yeah.

And, like, we, yeah. I don't know. I also think it can be different, too. Like, we're in such different, like, this is my house, everyone. Like, we just live very different lives in the best way. So, I feel like. But the lives, like, I feel like are fitting to what we've always kind of wanted. Yeah. But I feel like, I don't know. I don't know. Like, if I was trying to.

do the same thing you were doing, be in the same space you were doing, if that could have created a different dynamic for us, I can't imagine it wouldn't have. But I think just because we stick to who we are and it is very different in a way, it allows us to be cheering for one another, to, like, reach our dreams because they're our dreams. Like, you know. Yeah, that's so true. I feel like there's even this thing, like, it's kind of crazy because I often wonder how there wasn't, like, a sense of competitive nature, but I feel like it's because...

It's the same thing like you said. We kind of just never broke that bond of rooting for each other. I feel like the competitive nature can sometimes come out of a place of... I'm not even going to say... Maybe a place of insecurity, but it's like...

I think we just always knew like our own lanes. And just like if anything, I just wanted Katie to come and be in my lane with me anyway. She's like, please move to LA. She's like, don't stay here actually. No, please move. Like come be with me. Come and go with me in LA. And I know that's like not really the life Katie wants. Like I have to live with that. If anything, I'm only jealous of her fiance that he gets to hang out with her more often than I do. But it's kind of crazy. Do you think like, have you had friendships where you've like had jealousy between them? And like, what do you think like caused that? I don't know. I think...

Like, everyone's nature is to be jealous of people, other humans, in some sort of way. I think that's just how humans are, but I feel like I don't like that energy if it comes across very strongly. I don't like, like, competitive. I just don't. I'm not that kind of person. Like, I'll be competitive during Mario Kart all day long and, like, swear at you because you beat me, but, like, in life, I really don't like that kind of energy. Same. And everyone has their day and their moment where it's like, oh, that really came out and I wish it hadn't.

You know, I wish I didn't come across that way or didn't feel that way. But when it's like a consistent pattern and how someone behaves, I just feel like for me, I kind of don't like that. So maybe I've just distanced myself or like chosen not to be around people who I get that from. I don't know. Yeah. I feel like that's...

That's healthy. That's really healthy. Therapy girl. Look at her go. Look at her go. I like try to think of things that like I sometimes I think like being on the internet and like fighting jealousy of like people I don't even really know that well, which I think is easier to feel jealousy towards them. Because like you don't have like you said like that foundation. Right. Like I feel like I kind of like have to combat like, oh my gosh, you're doing so well or look at like the trips they're going on or like their relationship or their this. Or even right now, just like this is like a weird thing that I feel like

a part of a version of me previously would have had a lot of like envy about and I bought you specifically because like you're also in it but like at this age in life getting engaged yeah things like that like I feel like there would have been like uh it's yeah there's a fire happening fire I like heard it and I was like wait that's kind of relaxing that's my dream to be asmr okay great anyways I'll get you all the podcast equipment

But I think like a previous version of me was like not even insecure, but like worried that I wasn't keeping up with everybody else versus like now in life. I think as you get older, you kind of combat the jealousy by knowing your worth, knowing like what elements you're in. Like I think there's I think I'm I think I'm quite far along in like my life.

like professional life in a way like i've kind of like tried to establish myself i've like built like my platform the things that i want to do creating a podcast like all that stuff that was like checklists for me i've done yeah but i think in my personal life i might be a little bit behind like you know a lot of people my age are like getting engaged or starting to talk about having babies at least here in the midwest and like that's a more popular thing i think yeah in la everyone is like 22 forever it feels like so like when i'm in la but on the internet sometimes it feels like i'm behind and

I think there would have been a version of me that was like really worried about that, that like, oh my gosh, everybody's getting engaged and I'm not. Um, I don't know that that's directly related to like a friendship thing. Cause I feel like I was losing my mom when Kenny got engaged. I was so excited. I was like, how are we doing? Are we old enough for this? Um, my child bride, my child, um, you're ruining our pact right now. What are you doing? Uh, we had different plans. You said yes. I thought, and you agreed. Yeah.

You didn't run like we agreed on. But yeah, I think that like, I'm trying to think of friendships that I had jealousy towards. I feel like when I was a kid too, I had like a lot of like fear of people were going to steal my friends. And I think that's the only time that I get a little jealous is I get afraid like,

Not now. Like I'm not going to be like Katie, I get so scared when you hang out with other people that you're going to drop me as a friend. But I will say I've told Danielle this too. So I feel like I can say this when Danielle and I first became friends, I, we had the summer launch pretty quickly and everybody loved her. And there was absolutely a moment during that where I was like, I hope that she doesn't like everybody else here better than me. And that doesn't want to be my friend anymore because she wants to be everybody else's friend. Like I had like a weird fear of like, and like a weird, like light, very light since maybe that's Chelsea. Maybe I think it's major insecurity. Truthfully. Like I'll,

I will die on that hill that I had major insecurity during that. I know. I was like, just like worried that I was like, I think I have a little bit of a fear in friendship that like, they're not going to like me as much as they thought they would. But honestly, they're lost if they don't. I feel, I fear. They're lost. I fear. That's common sense. I fear. That's common sense. Um, but yeah, since I just get like worried that it's like, I don't matter.

Stop. Wrong. Wrong answer. But you know what I mean? Like, I think there's like, it's almost like the who's going to say I love you first. It's like when you want to say I love you and they don't want to say it back. I feel like that's the thing with friendship is like, do you consider me a friend? Like, I consider you a friend. Like, I really like you. Is that weird of me? Yeah. Is that weird of me? Like, I want to hang out with you more and I don't want you to pick other people over me. But I think too, like,

That's why I liked you so much. It's because, like, I feel like you weren't afraid to be like, I like hanging out with you. And I'm like, sick. I am too honest about stuff sometimes. But also, I'm like, this is my best friend. No, and I love it. I'm like... But no, I agree. I think there's, like, there's something nice about, like, having, like, honesty and friendship. Yeah. And, like, being able to share those. I think it's really important. Do you think I'm clingy? No. Oh, sorry. I mean, like, yes, in a good way. But not in, like, an overbearing, like, get this girl out of here kind of way. Good. Like, in a healthy...

Maybe we're both clingy, so it works. As I live in your house for three days. As we're together for the next week and a half, I'm like, no, absolutely not. No, I'm literally not even sick of you. I kind of made a joke when I walked into Katie's house, and I was like, you're going to be sick of me by the time we get here. And she's like, that's not possible for me. That's actually not real. I'm sorry. That's not real. I think you've made a mistake. Wrong friend. Yeah, wrong friend. It's like when you're dating someone, and they tell you a memory, and you're like, wrong girlfriend. It's like any time I think about it, you're like, wrong friend. I would never.

I also love, this is a little, for anybody watching the video portion of this, which I highly recommend because I'm trying to make a cinematic masterpiece. I highly recommend. Katie's shoes also match my phone, and we chose matching blue outfits, and that's how you know we're best friends. I'm a little sad we don't match your nails, though, before we go. But Katie also has her fiancé's initials on her nails, and that would be weird. If you get my initials on yours, too. Did you ever have jealousy and a friendship?

I'm trying to think if I did too. Sometimes I feel like I black out during these podcast episodes and I forget all of my history. I actually have not a good memory at all. And I have no recollection of anything that's happened to me. So I couldn't tell you. Weirdly, I had like a friend. Not this honest. Oh, I don't know if it really ended the friendship. Who knows? Anna, when she was like a baby. Like I'm talking like Anna through like elementary, middle school, some high school. I had like a really close friend who I felt like. And this could be me just like so...

misunderstanding the situation i decided to distance myself instead of communicate in this scenario so anything i say right now that is incorrect if this person were to hear this conversation i hope you know i like i don't have any ill will towards it but this is how i perceived what went on okay this is just my opinion this is not fact let's leave that there but like i had a friend who like through all of elementary middle high school would like take my friends

You know, like I would like make a new friend and like I would be like, oh my gosh, I love this person. Like I was first friends with this person. Okay, this other friend. And then they just like started like make other friends. I was like, okay, then I'm going to make other friends. And every friend I made friends with, they were like, oh my God, they're so cool. I'm going to go be friends with them too. And then they would become better friends with them than I was with them.

And then they would choose to hang out with the other girl instead of me. And then that was like, I feel like that's how I have friendship trauma. I'm going to talk about it in therapy this week. Sounds like it. But where it's like, then I just, I would like watch on like social, at this time too, like social media developed. And like, I would like watch on social media. They're like hanging out all the time. Or they'd go home and like ride home from school together. And like they'd go out to ice cream or they'd have parties and I wouldn't get invited. And all the other friends that I had made but somehow lost would get invited. And then I was like, am I the bad friend? Like, are they picking somebody else because I'm not a good enough friend? So.

I feel like Katie just altered my opinion on myself with that a little bit. Thanks, Katie. Oh, you're welcome. I got you. She's my inner child. Yay. That's what I'm here for. But I think I had a lot of jealousy in those scenarios where I, like, didn't... I think I had jealousy in both ways where I was like, why aren't I the coolest person to hang out with? But I don't know. I get that. I guess I feel like something like that happened to me. No one was really, like, stealing my friends, per se, but...

Like especially in the middle school time where you're like figuring out what your interests are and you have different interests than like friends that you grew up with. So you kind of split off a little bit. And I had like a few friends that had similar interests. So they were just like stay so close and like do everything together. And I would see like on Facebook or like MySpace. It's like, oh my God, they're hanging out together and they don't invite me anymore. And I'm like...

was the weirdo kid who was in band and like that was such a lame thing to be into but I really liked it so I like leaned into friends and like who liked similar things to me but it's hard to feel like am I just like not good enough for them anymore and it's kind of devastating especially at that age when you grow up with someone so closely and then it's like oh I guess we're just like not friends anymore and it's like kind of hard to come to terms with but

Maybe not jealousy based, but I feel like it's just hard in any stage of life to lose friends when you're not expecting to. I feel like this is kind of like a young thing to ask, but like, did you play sports in high school? Not in high school. But like as a kid, I was soccer girly. Oh, okay. So that would have made you popular in high school, I feel like. I feel like soccer and like volleyball were like the sports. Maybe basketball too. Maybe like a little bit of like girls basketball. Anything athletic. And then like I was a swimmer.

And I was a band kid. That's why we get along. And I also played trumpet. Oh, yes. So like, I'll never forget when you were like, Oh, what do you play? And I was like, trumpet. And you were like, I played that. And you like ran over and you're like, let me at it. And you like, I'm sorry. It was like the worst thing I've ever heard in my life. I was like,

But you did it, though. I was like, Slay. I haven't played in like three years. Don't you dare expose me like that on my own podcast. I invited you here to hype me up. I'm here to keep you humble. No, I appreciate that. Honestly, I need it from time to time. That was like a core memory. I was like, Slay. I remember being like, are you weird about me using your mouthpiece? No. Cool.

It was so pure, though. I was like, I love this. But I will say, like, I feel like from sports, which I'm sure, like, in the same vein of what you were saying, like, I had such great community in the swim team because of the fact that I was a swimmer. And I think we all related over that being, like, kind of like a weirder sport. Like, we had trouble getting people to come to our swim meets. So quirky of you. We're so quirky. But so that was, like, definitely a weirder sport in some ways. And...

Not even weird, but it just, like, wasn't... It's a little more niche. Like, we didn't even have a swim team. Neither did Bruce. No. Um...

But yeah, so I don't know. There's like elements of that where I think like the girls that I had from the swim team were all ages like freshman through senior. And that gave me a lot of really great community and like friendship in high school or like during those seasons, at least I really had like great true friendships, I feel like. And then you kind of like float away because you're not all in the same grade or, you know, then you don't really hang out with each other when you're not forced to. Yeah. Like during practice and stuff. Yeah.

But yeah, I feel like that was always like kind of a nice element that brought people together. Yeah. And that's how I know a lot of people in adulthood find friends too. Like this could be like an advice moment of like pickleball is popping off. There's some pickleball leaves. I have so many friends who do like softball leagues, basketball leagues in adulthood and like not trying to roast any of these friends. They're not that good, but like it's a good sense of community. Like it's like kind of what you're missing. And especially in the Midwest, I feel like it's really popular in LA. There's a couple, but people are like good as shit in LA. So I feel like I can't join because I'd get eaten alive. Yeah.

um they're like hitting it at you and you're like whoa was that personal um but yeah so i feel like you can find friends and like community find community in like the areas that you really enjoy and i feel like that might have been a lesson that we've learned in high school and like we're just not reflecting on um we just learned something but the last little topic that i want to touch on are you nervous are you excited how was picking bridesmaids what was it like i

Tell me. Tell me secrets. I feel like that was a good question. I was telling, we were talking about this the other day, like, this feels a little vulnerable because I just, I was telling Anna, like,

And when Briar proposed, I kind of panicked a little and not like, I don't know if he's the right person for me because like I've been knowing. I'm like, this is what it is. But it's a very big life milestone and event. And I was like, I'm 12. Like, I don't know if this is legal. Like, this is crazy. And I felt like it was a very like grow up now kind of moment, even though it's such a happy time. But I was a little panicky at first because it just felt so...

big of a life step that you don't have the most control over like I knew when we were gonna look for a house and move into it and I knew when I wanted to get a career and I was like taking the steps myself to make that happen and I guess you are taking the steps to make a relationship turn into a proposal but like

I mean, the element of surprise. I was like... You feel like women are indebted to the element of surprise. Yeah. You don't know when he's going to ask you. Right. I was a little processing in the moment and a little bit panicky just because I'm a control girl. And I was like, I didn't choose any of this timing. But...

No, I'm happy. It's really turned into a lot of excitement, which to me is very, it's settling. Like I'm glad I'm, there's so many things you could be nervous of, of like, I hope this goes right in this detail has to be right, but I'm just so excited. Like I'm excited for everybody. We love to be in one spot celebrating because when does that ever happen? Like never for weddings only usually. So I don't know. I'm just getting very, very excited as it's coming up, which is good. Um,

bridesmaids to me were a little stressful not because I'm like I love every single person I've chosen including my brother who's a bridesman um

But it's funny because Briars very much has a million friends. Yeah. And he was like, I'm like, was trying to get him to like carve down the list. I'm like, we cannot have like 13. That's crazy. I can't name like 13 friends I've had in my lifetime, whether they've come in and out of my life or not. Like that's crazy. And for me, I have like a small amount of people that I...

like have as friends and like so I was like I know who I want to have because for me I'm like it's not like I have so many people to choose from but um I think that was hard for me like making sure we could agree on a number because the way our friend count like body count our friend count is very different um I think what stressed me out a little bit was I

I am very much a people pleaser and I didn't want anyone's feelings to get hurt as far as like where they stood in line. Yeah. Because I feel like some people can perceive that as like, I mean how, this is how much I mean to you based on where I stand. And to me, that's not it at all. Like, I don't know how just very naturally I was like this line up in my head. Perfect. Love it. Yeah. Um, and I got a little nervous and I was talking to my dad about it and I was like, I just don't want anyone to be hurt that like they're not where they thought they would be or like, you know, if that's really important to them. And my dad was like,

all those people up there a love you to death b are there to celebrate with you and he's like any wedding I've been in I don't care where I've stood I don't care if I've been in the very like last person in line or like best man he's like I've just been excited that they thought that much of me to have me up there period he's like so anyone who would make you stress over that or like say something or like make it a thing he's like then don't have them in your wedding because that's not what it's about so that kind of and no one has said anything obviously but like

That helped me relax a little bit, like, put in perspective what it's really about and just, like...

people are gonna love you yeah and those people especially that you want to be a part of your day love you so that's so sweet yeah I love that well Katie thanks I love that I feel like I just did like a monologue no she did and I'm here for it this is Katie's podcast um no but I feel like that's so true that it's like never like I've been like in a handful of weddings and it's always I've never that's so funny because I also feel that way where like I've never thought of like where I stood in the lineup yeah um

But, like, it's always just been an honor to get to, like, honor you, I guess. And, like, be able to be there for you and, like, support the bride and the groom. Right. Do you think that you thought about that at all before the wedding? Like, were you thinking of friends? You were like, okay, these people supported my relationship before, supported my relationship, will support me after? Definitely. Or do you think it was more people who were, like, closer to you and more about, like, your personal life? I think for me maybe it was a little unique in the sense that, like, everyone that I am very close to,

They've been around enough to be around Briar and myself. And everybody loves him. He's such a joy. Right. So it's not like, oh, this person that's never met Briar before met him once. I have the smallest of friends, and they've been around for a long time. So they've seen me and Briar. So maybe that was a little different in my situation. But I do think it's important to have...

people up there who at least know you and who you are and how you are with your significant other and support it and have nothing but love like you I wouldn't regret one day if someone in that lineup like I don't speak to down the road yeah because I know at that point in my life like they were important to me and they supported me in that moment so I feel like it could get a little

wonky if you're like well that person didn't even support me in the first place because then you might have you might look at it in a different way if you look back on it like I should have never had them to them yeah yeah like I just had them up there just because so I feel like choosing people that whether they're with you for a long time or not that you know loved you and supported you in that moment at least is important yeah oh Katie so sentimental she's going to

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which was, what's your favorite quality in a friend? And we're going to listen to this voice message. What I feel like distinguishes a best friend from just a friend for me is their ability to challenge me and their willingness to challenge me and not just blindly support everything that I do. I definitely appreciate support from my friends, and I think that's a super important quality, but I really do appreciate

think that it's important to have people and surround yourself with people who don't just blindly allow you to do what you think is right but kind of challenge you and push you to be better. Wow. I could agree more. Do you feel like I challenge you? Yes.

I was gonna say, I feel like I love that we, I think, have, like, a lot of honesty in our friendship. Or, like, if I'm, like, overthinking something and you will literally be, like... I'm like, that's enough. That, yep. And a little too much. And a little... Actually, you crossed the line 10 minutes ago. No, I feel like we have, like, that sense of, like, compatibility where we have, like, genuine honesty with each other. Where, like, if I'm, like, oh my gosh, like, I could talk myself up a wall with, like, overthinking and anxiety and, like, oh my gosh, he said this. Can you believe that? And she'll be, like...

Yeah, that's a very normal thing that he would have said. I actually would have said the same thing. I actually probably would have told you that too if I was given the opportunity. But yeah, that's such a good point that like challenging each other is like such a good friend quality. Can I go first? Because I feel like mine kind of goes with it a little bit. No, I'm ready. My important friend quality that I've seen in you from day one is like a non-judgment type of understanding, I guess. I love that. I know. Like I feel like...

I don't know. That's so important. And I feel like in a relationship, relationship or any relationship, like a person who does not judge you a for who you are and what you enjoy in life and like to do. But like, I feel like we've been in some very like raw moments in each other's lives. And I've never been afraid. Like, oh, I don't know what you're going to think about that part of me or like that part of my life. Like,

you're just such a non-judgmental person I feel like safe around you like I can be myself I can say what I need to say we can be honest with each other and I'm not going to be like oh does she hate me oh is she going to talk to me again like we're just it's non-judgmental and it's very safe

I was literally going to say the words safe and encouraging when I was thinking about you and, like, the way that I think of our friendship. Even in, like, as my career path has changed, even as, like, we've both been growing up, even as, like, my life decisions have changed, the people I've been with, I feel like in every moment Katie's, like, been there through that and, like, watched me grow and never made me feel like...

I was different, which is really nice. Like, I think a lot of times, especially when, like, you step into a space of being perceived by a lot of people, like, they will start to treat you differently or expect different things from you. And Katie has never once, like, made me question my, like, stature in her life or my value or altered my value based off of, like, what I can bring to her as a friend. It's always just been, like, such, like, a genuine, like, love. And even, like, I...

I think I'm going to tell the story again in a different episode, but just this idea of like, I find myself apologizing quite often for my work and like having to film a lot and like be a creator and like be like, oh my gosh, I'm sorry. I don't mean to like make this moment into a video. And she's like, Anna, you've been like this since day one. And like, she's always like respected and appreciated my like love for creating. And sometimes when I forget who I am, like Katie will bring me back to that person. Oh my God. Actually, I think we're in love and we're actually getting married now.

right now you can take it over where you're at just kidding oh it's very sweet no i mean it though crying a little stop okay well i mean it so on that note that's the end of this episode i think i need some privacy time to go rot on the couch together my favorite thing but yeah so i love you dearly i love you and i'm so happy that you guys were here to witness our love and marriage um

We'll see you guys soon. Thank you so much for watching this episode. Don't forget to follow along at TheAnnaGuide on Instagram and TikTok. And you guys can check out the video versions of all these episodes on YouTube at Anna's Guide Podcast. And we'll see you next week with a new episode. Everyone say thank you to Katie. Thank you. Let's hear it. I'm just kidding. For being here this week. And hopefully we'll see her again soon. There's many more guests to come on this podcast. But our next episode will be me alone talking about cutesy little girly things. And so I can't wait to see you next week. Bye, guys. I love you. Bye.

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