171 - WW2 Veterans On The Battle Of Iwo Jima ft. Don Graves & Al Chatwin | Unsubscribe Podcast Ep 171
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Excuse me, Marines. Alright Don, don't start talking about my Navy boy. You ever done a history segment when the person is sitting a foot to your right? How deep you want to go? When you get through with it, will you send it over to us? Some things never change. Okay, are we ready to crack these tops?

Gentlemen, are you ready to crack the tops? Oh, we're gonna do that? Oh, yeah. You hold up. After the count of three, we're gonna... Wait. Fingernails. There we go. Three, two, one. Hi, everyone. Welcome to the Unsubscribe Podcast. I am joined today by Mr. Eli Doubletap, the fat electrician, Don Graves...

Al Chitwin. Chatwin. Chatwin. Oh, my gosh. This is embarrassing. This is embarrassing. All right. I'm leaving now. Goodbye. It's been a pleasure.

Brandon Herrera and myself, Donut Operator. Thank you so much for tuning in today. Hey, this is holy shit. This came together really quickly. And this is I mean, first off, it is an honor. Like I truly mean that from the bottom of all our hearts, the audience for you guys to take the time out of your day, your team bringing out here and just to represent what like true American heroes are and what you guys have done and actually the sacrifices you made. I mean that from the bottom of

and my fucking heart from all of us. You guys are truly just amazing humans for what you went through and what you did and accomplished. Thank you. That's the most heartfelt thing I think we've ever gave a guest before. And on top of that, from all the boys, we did this together. Mr. Connor! Yes, sir?

We got you a gift. We got you both a gift from all of us over here. So we just wanted to say thank you for everything. Again, just thank you for everything. The greatest generation and what you guys went through is. Don and Mr. Al. Thank you, gentlemen. Open it up. Open it up. Pop that top. The name scares me. It's Hamilton. It's a $100 Best Buy gift card.

Oh, wow. Oh, my goodness. Look at this. Fantastic. Thank you so much. You're welcome. You guys can keep that yourselves, pass it on to your kiddos, kiddos, kiddos. But that's our way of saying thank you for everything you guys do. Wow. Hey, this is a time-out. Just keep showing ticket. Show the camera. Show the camera that stuff.

Show the cameras, that's... We went with military. We're like, OD Green. These dudes are just OD military bros. Thank you. Of course. We just appreciate you guys taking the time to come on. It's a privilege to speak with you. Truly a privilege. Truly a privilege. So...

Where do we even begin on this one? We got like Mr. Historian. Oh, boy. You guys, watching your interviews, watching you guys talk is amazing. You have so much energy. How old are both of you right now? Are you both 100 yet? No. No, not yet. Whoa, offensive. 99. Okay. I'm pushing him. I'm the young one. 98. That is amazing. Now, for history, Nick, do you want to go in and give a little more history on what these fine gentlemen are known for?

You ever done a history segment when the person is sitting a foot to your right? How deep do you want to go? I guess, when did both of you guys start or join the military? What age? 18. 18? You don't have to lie. Yeah, I got drafted. You got drafted? Yes, sir. And you were Navy? Yeah. Yes, sir. And Don? 17. 17? Permission slip? Huh? Permission slip from the parents? Your parents have to sign? Yeah.

My dad and mother had to sign. The day of. The second you turned. I'd like to say something about if it's going to be later on, or I can tell you now. Yeah, go ahead. Why I signed was in school. A lot of kids walked out of school and wound up in the war. And a lot of those kids at Pearl Harbor that are down in that ship, Arizona, skipped school. And when I speak to high school, they'll all come up to me afterwards, and some of the fellows will say,

"How could you do that? How could you leave everything and go off to war?" I said, "So you can stand there and tell me what you just said." My dad did it. That's the way it is. Young men fight wars, not older men. They won't do it. It takes young men. And we were crazy. And speaking for the Corps, they made me worse crazy.

True devil dog. And then how it was being drafted. But you know, everybody went to war. Our sisters, our mothers, everybody went to war in the factories. That's how we produced so doggone fast and furnished three allied companies, plus ourselves.

And if it weren't for them, we'd have never won the war. No, I truly agree on that. Hey, man, they put a lot of airplanes out. They did a lot. I mean, that was part of recovering the economy at that point. The amount of jobs and everything that came from the manufacturing. And we need beans, bullets, airplanes, and ship it overseas as fast as possible. You know, there's something else that really, really hit me hard. I've been watching the conventions.

Republican conventions. I'm not a Democrat. I'm not a Republican. I'm neither. I'll go for the party that does something for our country. But when I heard those people speak about everything that went on that was allowed because illegals came into the country, I felt like an American again. I was depressed over it.

Those people were pure-blooded Americans. And listen, the last time I think some of you fellows were there, when we were at the American Airlines, all those people up in the balcony, you remember, way up, all the way around. They were applauding. Gary Guinness was there. It was just tears coming down my face. I finally caught something that reminded me of my country when I was a kid.

And I think we're rallying our own. I think we're going to become real active American people. All we need is a leader. And we had leaders during the war, incidentally. And we've got one that was born and raised not too far from here. The Admiral. Yes. He was my boss. He was your boss, too. He was my boss. Even though you were in the Navy. Hey!

I bet you guys rib each other a lot. We had to carry him around where they had to go. Of course you did. And you could do it safely because we manned the guns. This is what I was looking forward to. Tell him to take a look at his toes.

All right, Don, don't start talking about my Navy boy over here. We're going to have a problem. What is that old saying? War changes, but war fighters don't. See what you fellas started? As it should be. How old were you guys when FDR was elected?

go where fdr during the war you said we had a lot of great leaders i'm assuming he's one of them that you're talking about yeah well i was still 15 then 15 when fdr was elected oh now you hit on something yeah that was our hero he took us through the war he took us through the great depression took us out of the depression now the war starts he took us through the war

My first regimental commander was Jimmy Roosevelt, his son. Good Marine. He was 6'3".

I was an inch shorter then than I am now. I carried a 72-pound flamethrower on my back up a hill, and he walked like this. And I lost it, and I began to say things I shouldn't. And I looked next to him, and there was a shiny pair of boots, and it was him. He says, that's all right, man. You'll make it. I said, yes, sir. Now, I want to know what basic training was like for the boot camp.

And then boot camp in the Navy? Was it called boot camp for the Navy? Yes, boot camp, yeah. We had boot camp, that's for sure, yeah. This is because we have, I mean, in 2000s we went through basic training completely different than when you guys did basic training. Well, neither one of us will ever forget it, right? Right. Go ahead, sailor. I had a good one. Huh? I had a good one. They opened up a camp.

I'd say I was drafted in New York, New York State, and the boot camp there, they had built a new one on Lake Canandaigua, which is one of the Finger Lakes. And that's where I went to boot camp. The big old Canandaigua Lake is the long and skinny one. And man, they even had us out there rowing.

- Rowing boats and- - Cold ass water? - Yep. - So when you guys were getting, like for the Navy bootcamp, did you get smoked a lot, in trouble, like doing pushups? How did they punish you? Like now they can't do anything. They just, you get a timeout card now if you guys didn't know that. - The stress cards. - Yeah, stress cards now. They're literally a thing now.

What, like for the Navy, how was that? When you guys like just smoked the shit out of you guys? Sorry for my French. No, I thought it was really easy. We got the hikes and marching and that type of thing. And when I got there, I came down with what they called cat fever. And I spent almost three weeks in the hospital tent. Yeah.

It was evidently a normal situation because I'd never heard of cat fever before. Caterpillar or something or other. They cured me of it and they went back and I went back to work. That's great. I just like it was a hospital's a tent. At that time, it was just like a tent out in the heat or summertime, wintertime. Was it summer or winter or spring?

Spring. Okay, so it wasn't too bad. Well, that depends where you are in New York State. Originally from Buffalo, we get snowstorms. The lake affects snow. I remember my son, after he got married, had rented an apartment and they had an open deck outside, but he was on the second level.

Well, that winter, we had snow, and you could walk from his porch out on, right on top of the snow, which is right at second level. It's a patio. He's like, don't even need stairs.

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I was listening to Al talk about cat fever. It's when you have a temperature over 102.5 degrees Fahrenheit. It can be caused by bacterial, viral, or fungal infections or parasites, like basically bad living conditions. Yeah. So in boot camp, you probably didn't have the best living conditions. No, we didn't. Okay. No, we didn't. Some things never change. Not at all.

I bet the Marines was beautiful though, right? Five-star hotel, boot camp just helping people. I went to San Diego. Hollywood. Godspeed. Hollywood Marine. Dream on. Well, the first thing that happened the first morning, Jackson Stanley, he knows, he went through it. They marched us, the staff sergeant marched us down to the boonies, the water, and there were warehouses there.

We had tents because there were so many troops, the kids that came in. The playground was just all thick with troops. So he marched us down there and he said, "I want you young fellows to take a look at those transports. Do you see them?" We said, "Yes, sir." He said, "When I get through with you, you're going to be sent to some outfit. And when you get in that outfit and you train, you might be on one of those transports."

And if you keep your nose clean and do as we tell you, you might just make it. But I doubt it very much. How's that for 17-year-old kids? Then we fell out for inspection one time. I don't know why he took it out on me. I don't know. Maybe I had some sort of a look. But he stood right up in front of me. And his nose was right there. He said, you miss your mama? I didn't say one word. You don't answer because you're going to get it.

I didn't say one word. You miss your mama? Oh, do I see a tear falling there? Uh-huh. I thought so.

Well, before we're done in this eight weeks here in this man's core, we will make young men out of you. Don't you ever forget it. So get in shape right now. And that's when the terror came. Now, when you guys, what were punishments in boot camp for like, let's say you, you, Don, if you got in trouble, what would be a punishment in boot camp? You know, we weren't used to by the clock.

So I was scrubbing my teeth. Didn't shave then. I was scrubbing my teeth. Scrubbing my teeth. We fell out 5 o'clock and we left for chow. I come running. Where's the fellas at? Nobody here. Oh my gosh, they have left. So I got out in the street, company street, and there they're going. I ran all the way. I could have snuck in the rear. Toon, halt, one, two, graves fall out. I fell out in front.

What time do we fall off for chow? I made a mistake. I think, bam, bam, bam. And I went down, right down on the ground. And all the kids said, what they meant was, you can burn him now. But I didn't. Get this. Later on, I had a phone call I could make.

So I want to call my mama. My dad was a Marine in the First World War. Big, bad deal. So I got on the phone, and he grabbed the phone and said, hello. I said, Dad, this is Don. Yeah, how you doing? I said, well, you know, I got a little problem. And I said, I got so doggone ticked off and mad at him. He decked me. You know, he said, it seems to me that I remember you hounded us to death to go in the Marine Corps.

You got in, now shut your mouth and do what you're told. Hung up the phone. And I said, I didn't expect that. Thanks, Dad. Love you. You asked the question, what made us, where did we go in? We were in a car, the three of us. Buddies, we grew up together, went off to war and came home. The three of us are sitting there, we're all 15 years, 16 years old.

Had a blanket of thrones right in Detroit. The day after Pearl Harbor, and we're sitting there listening to the big bands. Oh, we love the big bands. Then all of a sudden, the announcer came on. Ladies and gentlemen, we interrupt this broadcast. The President of the United States will address the nation. And we were sat like this, and on came our hero.

When I heard this speech, I went downtown Detroit to the recording office and I had 35 cents to buy a recording with his speech on it two weeks later. No doubt. It was hot. Everybody bought it. I don't know where it's at now. But this is what he said, and we're listening. Yesterday, December 7th, 1941, a date that will live in infamy.

United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked upon by the naval armed forces of Japan. I interpret the will of Congress and of the people. We will gain triumphant victory, so help us God. I said, tomorrow morning I'm skipping school and going to join the Marine Corps. They said, you can't, you've got to be 17. I'm going down to get the paper.

They said, your mom's not going to sign it. Oh, yes, she will. No, no, she's not going to sign that paper. Your dad will. He was a Marine in the first war. Well, six months went by. I was 17. We had a birthday party.

I ran out that door, ran all the way downtown Detroit, one mile. I ran all the way up the stairs in the federal building on the fourth floor. I walked towards the wall. Here was the gunny sergeant standing there. He said, what can I do for you, young man? I said, I want to sign up. He said, how old are you? I said, 16. He says, I can't take you. You've got to be 17. Well, I said, I only got six months to go. He said, when you get to be 17, you're going to be a gunman.

Come back and see me and we can do business. Well, now I'm there. And he says, well, how did you do? I says, I got it. I got it. He said, did your mother sign? Yes. He said, how did you get her to sign? My dad said, Vera, come over here. I just signed this. Sign that. That was my mother's name. She says, I'm not signing that. I went through this first world war. I'm not going through this again. He said, Vera, let me talk to you. The boy walks out of school. He's doing menial jobs.

He'll probably turn out to be a bum. Sign the paper. When I heard that, I did this to my mother. You did the sad face? She said, give me the pen. Ran back down. That's when the gunny sergeant met me. And two weeks later, I was in the Corps. Gonna be a bum.

Hi everyone, Donut here. We're doing shots before going to the Pacific War Museum to hang out with our friends, Al and Don. The only thing more fun than history is buzzed history. Hunts Up Field Trip. This is the only museum in the country dedicated strictly to the war in the Pacific. They have a nuke. We hit the beach. It took us three days from the beach to go 575 feet to the base of Mount Cerro Marciano.

What was it like? Okay, Al, what was it like getting drafted? That would be, since we don't know what that's like, period. There's being voluntold to do something is a crazy thing. And to serve during that time period, any time period with like volunteers versus like you're forced to join. So how was that on your, like, oh, well, I'm doing war. Yeah. It doesn't sound too good, does it? No.

But it was, well, completely meaningless to me at that time until I got into the... raise my right hand and say, I do. And, well, I was a little runt. I weighed 127 pounds. So I had...

qualms about what I could do. They told me what I could do. And I did it. So the boot camp was an eye-opener too. It really was. And being in the Navy, they even had boats for rowing. And I was a little shrimp. So they had me as a coxswain. So I did the stroke, stroke, stroke. I didn't have to...

Pull the oar. So, Al, did they come to you one day and say, hey, you're in the Navy now? No, no. Right after we got the notice, we got a notice of where to meet, get on the bus, and take you downtown to Buffalo, and they signed us in there. There was no...

Oh, leading up to anything. This is it. That's what you got. That's what you do. So you didn't get to choose your branch. They just told you, hey, well, you're doing this now. No, I chose a branch. Okay. Smart man. He's like, maybe, maybe. What was the turnaround time from letter received to, hey, you have to report to duty station?

Well, what they did is they sent me a notice that there's going to be a bus waiting for you and all the draftees. And we went from there into Buffalo and got signed in. Holy moly. So it was like a week? Yeah. How much time did you have before the notice and meeting happened?

Like, how much time did you have to tell your family, bye, get your stuff in order? Oh, two weeks. Two weeks? Damn! What were you doing at the time? Like, what job were you doing at the time? I was still in school. Oh, okay. So they just said, you're in the Navy now. Report in two weeks. Yes. And I got to the bus, and here was the mayor of my village was there, too, and he had five kids. Holy cow.

And were five kids there with? No, no. Oh, it was like, dang. The mayor was like, damn it. Here we go. Yeah, right. So he ended up with LSTs in Europe. And I ended up, well, I had put in for aviation. I wanted to fly. And I went in in 44. And the Air Force said, sorry, sir.

we're not hiring pilots anymore so i said well then i think i'll check the the navy because i don't have to sleep in a foxhole in the rain smart man don's like shut up he's like it was a comfortable foxhole you know listening to him i thought of something after eight weeks now normally in the marine corps boot camp is 12 weeks

But because of the amount of young men we had, they made it short. We did everything that normally they do in 12. We did it in eight weeks. It worked the life out of us. But there's something that I learned, and I think he would agree to this. When they got done with eight weeks in boot camp, how many weeks did you have? About eight weeks. About eight weeks, okay. When they got through with us in boot camp, we had a ceremony. We were all lined up, and the band came out.

Marine Corps band. And when they played, if you had a camera, you'd never see a dry eye. We looked at that flagpole and saw all glory go up. For the first time in my life, I felt like a young man that had a responsibility in the front of me. I've got to go along with that. To get my country squared away. We all felt, we went back to our tents after, and we discussed that. But we were still teenagers. I'll conclude with this.

I don't know why, but when you have a family come and visit and they leave, you're homesick. You should never have it. It just messes your life up. My mother came with my aunt. We went all over. We had a good time. They left. I came home, flopped out on the bunk. And the morning they fell off for show, I wasn't going to go. And my buddy who was in charge said, Graves, get out here. I said, I can't see it.

Bad thing to say. Yeah. Bad. Yeah. He took off with boys. Ten minutes later, I'm on a cot and the flap is right there next to me. The flap went up, the cot went upside down and I hit the deck. And the first sergeant said, Graves, report to my tent as soon as you're dressed. I got up and I dressed. I went into his tent. And I said, Sarge, he said, Graves, he cussed.

I don't know, you snot kids are driving me crazy. He says, the old man's going to come and talk to you. I'm a captain. I love that guy. He liked me. He put a flamethrower on my back. And I was the shortest guy in the company. Well, he said, okay, Graves, we got to walk up the hill to the old man, our colonel.

He's the one that gave the flag to Lieutenant put up on Mount Suribachi. So he said, we walked up, we knocked on the door. Come here. We walked in and I'm standing next to my skipper. And he said, Graves? I said, yes, sir. Not again. He said, how many times is this? Third one, sir. What did I give you the last time? Two days bread and water.

You're a troublemaker. Well, why play around with it? Why bother? Why don't we give you five this time? Maybe you might wake up and learn something. I says, yes, sir, I'll take it. Go. On the way back, the scooper said to me, Graves, he said, listen, I didn't know when I came in the car that I'd be handling snot-faced kids that are babies. My gosh, wake up and become a young man. What is it?

The best advice he ever gave me. That was it. This is the time. It's crazy. You have like drill sergeants that you got punched how many times by your drill sergeant? Huh? When your drill sergeant punched you multiple times? No, no, no. No, no, no, no. They can't touch you, but they can rail right on you and burn you up. That's it.

My sergeant, he went home every night. I think he had a problem with his wife. That's what I think. He wasn't very happy. He was mad. And I was just the guy he was going to take it out on. I can believe that. Because, you know, I was a nice kid. He didn't have to hit me.

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Let's get into what you guys did in the military. Now we're past basic. We're past boot camp. What did both of you do in the military? You were infantry and you had a M2 flamethrower, correct? Marine Corps is all infantry, yeah. Oh, perfect. And then flamethrower, you had the M2. That was your job in the military. We started out with the First World War, 03 Springfield. That was a good one.

Here we are. We never carried a rifle like that in our life. Bold action. Six rounds. We went to the rifle range. They gave me the rifle, prone position, elbow on something. And I went like this. See what I'm doing with my left hand? Yeah, you put your thumb. And I'm firing away. What are you doing? I said, I'm firing my rifle, Sergeant. You can't do that in the Marine Corps.

You can't do that. I said, I have to. He says, I'm left-handed. I can't help it. I'm left-handed. Give me six rounds fast. So I put a clip in. Bang, bang, bang, six. Well, I guess we're going to break another rule in this man's Marine Corps. Go ahead. All right. Then the M1 came out. That took care of it.

Yes, it did. That weapon won the war. Oh, that was a magnificent weapon. It won the war. The first semi-automatic standard-issued weapon in the world. And they had the carbine. Yep. Just as good. No distance, though. Short. You guys all like the M1, though? Oh, we loved it. Yeah. Did you ever have any issues in the Pacific, in the jungle? Did it ever, like, warp the wood with the temperature? No.

I'm not following you. The M1 is a wood stock, right? It's a wood stock. So in Vietnam, a lot of Vietnam vets said that the jungle climate would warp the wood. We never had that problem. It's hard. It's hard wood. Same for you. You trained with the M1 or the... Okay. And then what was your job in the... Explain your job during the Navy time.

To be honest about it, I was a flunky. Seaman, second class, whatever job came along, I got it. Mess cooking, guard duty, unloading bags of cement. So, Al, you were a boat's wins mate? No, I was a yeoman. Yeoman.

So you were just doing everything that they wanted you to do. Oh, yes. Well, that's before I got my reading. It was a semen second that I made first. And I went in in 44, but I didn't hit Guam until Christmas Eve of 1944. No doubt. And after I served my time at least six months over there in Guam, I said,

What about rank? And he says, well, the only thing we got over here right now is yeoman. And I said, a yeoman? That's a ball-bearing wave, isn't it? Gesundheit.

Al said he was a petty officer third class, so him and I are E4 for life. E4 mafia. You're just going to high five me. That's key. Come on.

E4 Mafia for life. There you go. What ship were you on during Guam? I wasn't. I was land-based. Land-based? Yeah. Were you at the battle? When they retook Guam, were you there? No, no. I came in after the Marines executed. Okay. And I worked at the day of the receiving station there. So all the ships that got sunk,

And the crews came back through our base, either heading back to the States or waiting to pick up another ship. And we just in and out, in and out. Work, work, work. Yeah. And this is the time. How much did they pay you for the Navy? How much was your pay as an E-4 a month? Well, give them 50 bucks. Inflation's a hell of a drug. That's crazy. Like, you're going to war. But...

50 bucks? All right. And you're like, oh, I guess so. I had another problem, and that was a home problem. Because I'd take money and send it home to my mother. And when I got out and got back home, I said, where's my money? Oh. Oh, well, your brother's kids needed it, so I gave it to them. I was going to buy a car as soon as I got home. Oh, my heart. My heart. My heart.

I'm just trying to think of what the 1940s equivalent of a Camaro at 36% APR would be. Dang. And then Don, you were issued the flamethrower. One.

M1 flamethrower. M2. I think it was an M2. That's a rifle. That is a terrifying thing. If anyone's never fired one, put one on. When you crank those nozzles to even get the fuel system running, it's a high-pressure system and you hear the creaking of the metal. I fired one. Yeah, it is. It's surprising. What's the fuel inside of that?

With nitrogen, there's a middle tank that's nitrogen and the two other tanks are? Two tin tanks. One settling tank. They're reinforced. Five gallons. A gun with a cap rotating. Remember the cap guns? Rotating cap. A needle, you pull a trigger, needle hits, it sparks it, shoot the juice. Over it goes.

What's the fuel? Is it gasoline, diesel? Fuel oil. All fuel, oil and gas. Napalm, we didn't use it because the tanks had napalm. They could shoot that thing way out, you know. We strictly had burning fuel, you know. And then you talked about, I know previously you talked about, even when you were beaching. Hitting the beach? Yeah, hitting the beach in Iwo Jima. You had that on your back. I had it on my back, yeah.

And then how deep was the water at that? Like, I can't, I can't. Almost up to my waist. We couldn't get the, couldn't get any closer. Everybody's jammed on the beach. We couldn't get off. We couldn't get, so we, over the side. How am I going to get 72 pumps over the side? My two buddies, I have a man on my left and one on the right. They have to stay with me. If I don't have them, I'm done.

Because if I fall, I can't get up. Were you guys using amphibious tractors? Amphibious tractors. That's exactly what we had. Not out the front. You go over and you come in that way. So he said, I can't get any closer. Overboard. So we all got out. My two buddies helped me up and shoved me. I went down on the water and I'm crawling up towards the sand. And finally I get up to where I get out of this. They came and grabbed me, dragged me up on the sand.

It was jammed. We were just, just like this jammed. And they were right there on Mount Suribachi at 575 feet away, firing down on us. When, when you first hit the beach with the flamethrower, did you have to have the caps for ignition for the flamethrower in a bag or anything to keep the water? No, no, no, no, everything just right on your back. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. There's no problem. Yeah. So Eli real quick. Um,

Filled up. It was 68 pounds. Served by one crew member, Don. And it had one nitrogen tank for the propellant and two, two US gallon tanks of napalm slash gasoline.

At a total, yes, of 68 pounds. 68 pounds. And you were the smallest one? What's that? You were the smallest one? I was the short one. And they're like, here you go. I was what they called a feather merchant. He did have a feather merchant, too. We're on the rear end. So you're saying you were...

like side by side, there was a bunch of you. How many Marines were during the assault? How many carried the flamethrower or do you mean in the assault? During the assault, side by side. Three divisions. Well, excuse me, two divisions. We held the third division in the rear. 60,000? For about a week. But when we got hit so hard, we needed replacement. So they sent the, we had all three. My regiment, we hit Green Beach one right by Suribachi and we would go over the top

turn left and secure that because that's where they had full power over eight square miles. They could shoot anywhere. It was eight square miles. Yeah. So that was our job. The third went up to the right on the airstrips. That airstrip was tore all apart. And the primary purpose of being there, we had to get the airstrip straightened out because the B-29s were getting knocked down. Our planes were,

could not go there and take them back to Saipan. They run out of fuel. So the purpose of taking that was getting it rebuilt. The Seabees did that. Incidentally, the Seabees, for the first time, hit the beach with us, and they said they'll never do it again. They had a heavy casualty. Oh, yeah. They weren't trained for that. Navy Seabees. There we go. Navy Seabees.

Maybe again. There we go. Yeah. There we go. And they were to secure those airstrips so the B-29s could come in. I saw the first one come in and land on fire. Holy shit. The Air Force took over that down there. They were right around the airstrips. And when they saw that baby come in and saw it get on fire, they got the crew out of there within minutes.

And backed off. And she just went puff. Like this. That was it. Dang. Experiencing war is one thing. We've talked about it on the podcast. But my war. Even the wars before that. Compared to what you guys went through. Is just...

I can't rationalize that in my head. When we're getting in a fight, it's one guy or two guys max or an IED is going off. So they're setting off an explosion and running. It's not a battle versus you guys went through a war war. We haven't had near-peer warfare in 80 years. Yeah. So our generation has no clue. Well, you know what scared me? Word came around.

What do we need to find out how quick they got killed? What is the lifespan? The span. The lifespan of the flamethrower in Iwo Jima was four minutes. Holy shit. I was the only one in my battalion that walked off. Out of every flamethrower? Out of the battalion. And a battalion is 400? 850. How many survived in Iwo Jima? Well, there's not too many. Very few. Very few. Yeah. Yeah.

That's very few. Your company was your company. I'm the only one in my battalion. And that's out of all the flames. And then your battalion of soldiers, because your battalion was 800 people. Excuse me, Marines. Marines. Oh, my God. I knew that was coming. I knew it was coming as soon as you said it. Soldiers. I mean, an army built in my head. He's like, Marine.

He slaps me. I'm like, I'm sorry. I can't help it. That's what they said in a boot camp. Were there other islands that you made amphibious landings on? I spent a lot of time around the Pacific. We were all set for combat. I was in a second anti-tank battalion. I drove a Dodge pickup with a 37 millimeter gun.

and a tank gun, a mortar, and it was right next to my head. And once in a while, we'd have fire on the run training. Well, now I got hearing aids. Yeah, they did not have ear pro. I was about to say, did I miss that? I came very close to being on a trawawa. Two square miles, 2,000 killed in two days.

We had eight square miles, 7,000 killed in six weeks. 20,000 wounded.

Tarawa. The Battle of Tarawa, the Japanese general in charge of Tarawa said that a million men couldn't take Tarawa in 100 years. And Tarawa was unique because they had coral reefs all around the island. So they didn't think that the Marines, they'd only ever seen Higgins boats. And Higgins boats wouldn't be able to make it over the coral reefs.

Well, this is when the Marines showed up with amphibious tractors and drove right over the top of them and kept going. And it scared the dog shit out of the Japanese. One of the...

One of the generals had recorded that one of the privates underneath him, when he saw the tractors hit the coral atoll or the coral reefs and drive right over the top, said they looked like spiders crawling over the water and that the gods of death had come, referring to the Marines. Well, I like to refer to that island as two miles of our eight miles. Same battle. Yeah. Bloody hell.

And they come up, the Marine Corps has come up with that was the worst battle in the history of the Marine Corps. No other battles compared to it, but I found one. What do you think it is? Philadelphia. Right over the border. Civil War. Oh, yeah. That was a battle. Gettysburg is compared to Iwo Jima. Wow. That was a bloody battle.

That was extremely, yeah, it's one of the most bloody battles in all of US history. And then Iwo Jima. And then you, it's for the viewers at home that don't know this, you were there during the raising of the flag in Iwo Jima. We were fighting up. And when we got to the crest, they were raising the pole. Do you know what that pole's made of? No. Let's hear it. Drain pipe. Yeah.

They found drain pipe up there. We didn't have a flag. We knew nothing about a flag. My battalion commander took one from the ship. His skipper told him, he said, Colonel, I got this flag. If you can put it up when you get on that mountain up there, put it up for me. I appreciate it. He said, I'll do it. So that's how that flag got in the picture. A drain pipe and they found wire to tie the flag on with.

So when you saw it, did you think anything of it at the time? Did you think that it was anything special or was it just another thing going on? Every eye was watery. When that flag went up, and we were shocked to begin with,

When it went up, 500 ships out in the bay let go with horns, rockets, everything, tracers, everything. Our boys on the North End let go with tracers. America. You know what it was like the 4th of July at New York Harbor there? No doubt. Oh, it was. And we just stood there and boy, tears coming down our face. And the Japanese are like, well, shit.

That's amazing. All right, Brandon. But it only made the Japanese fight twice as hard. I got to get next to my E4 buddy over here. They're switching spots. Petty officers. Sometimes you have to be demoted, you know. Don, don't worry about the E4 mafia for life. E4 mafia. We got it. We got it. The Navy love to sit together.

Don't worry about how much I sleep. We're going to start fighting. Sometimes I sleep on my stomach, Eli. Al, what was your, like, one of your most crazy times in the military during that time? Crazy time? Oh, yeah. Her name was... No. Well, no, I was originally supposed to be a radio operator aboard a

Avenger torpedo bomber. Oh, damn. Thank the Lord I couldn't pass code. And the torpedo bomber, when it drops the torpedo, it goes out like this. And the radio offer sat right here. And all the guns are...

Pointing at it. So I thank the Lord that I failed it. Like, no, the same for me. Oh, man. Did you almost serve on a submarine? No. Okay. Heavens. Not a fun time. Not a fun time. Where's the submariner over here? Is there a submariner over here? We got a bubble head over here, dude? Yeah, we got a bubble head.

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A story you haven't told that much or out to the world where you're like, oh, yeah, it's a it's a cool or at least a crazy story. Or even just when you got in trouble the most in the military. I'm actually going to switch it to that. I want to know what what stuff you got into, what trouble you got into in the military. Yeah. Worst, worst trouble.

There's a submarine. Oh, I wish I hadn't answered that. That's the guy. Do I have to? I mean... It's up to you. I met a girl. One? I met a girl.

And, you know, young fellas think they're always in love, you know. Oh, yeah. Cody? I stayed an extra day. I had a 72 leave, three days, and I took an extra day.

That's where the colonel threw me in the brig. That was the first time. The first time? Why did he throw you in the brig? Huh? Why did he throw you in the brig? Discipline me.

What'd you do? What did I do? I was over the hill with no leave. I took a little extra time. Hey, there was a fence there and there was a tent inside the fence.

and i'm standing there and my lieutenant my patrol leader comes by we love why i like that guy he came by and he says graves he said let me ask you was it worth it i said yes sir he's i thought so and i understand taking your time but an extra day man you are a hero so you said your first time in the brig

That's the first time. Yeah. Go on. Let's hear the other ones. Insubordination. Insubordination. Oh, you are my people. Both of you. Troublemakers. Listen, we just have to think about it. It's no excuse. We were kids. Oh, yeah. Teenagers get into trouble.

That's crazy. You didn't get in trouble, did you? No. No? You're a liar. You're just hiding it. That was such a legitimate offense. I know. Sir. How do you know? Where were you guys when you had heard that the Japanese were going to surrender?

and that you knew that the war was over? Well, I'll tell you, I did a lot of singing in my company of Italian, and I put shows on, you know. I'd go around. My skipper would say, "Graves, it's time for a program, entertainment." And I said, "Well," he said, "Just volunteer them. Tell them I said they're going to have to perform." So I went around, heard some guy did a tap, you know. We had a pretty good show.

They hesitated, but I says, "The old man says you got to do it." So they had to do it. We put on a show. They hadn't surrendered yet. Germany had already surrendered. And we put this show on and it was around nine o'clock at night outside in the tent and we had a wooden stage. And they all did their stuff and I was going to close it by singing a song and I'm singing. Then all of a sudden in the audience come three photographers with their cameras.

And we said, and I looked like that. Bob Crosby, Bing Crosby's brother, he was our recreation officer. And he was next to me. And I said, fellas, what are you doing? And the boys jumped up and said, get out of here. You broke our show up. Get out of here. No, no, no, wait. The war is over. And they froze. Get out of here. We would never believe that thing would ever end.

No, it's over. Harry Truman was notified. They woke him up this morning. Everything is set. They have surrendered unconditionally. And all of a sudden, hats went up. We went crazy. And Bob Crosby said, give me your attention, fellas. How could you tell the difference? Huh? How could you tell the difference? Well, Bob Crosby said, fellas,

"Go to your tents." We all walked and we're going down the company streets, several, not one word. Not one word was spoken. We got in our tents, got in our bunks, and all you could hear was sniffing. Too proud to share. It was great. It was wonderful. And that was wonderful to experience a peace treaty. The war was over.

Absolutely. Beautiful. What about you, Al? When did you hear the news? You weren't over the hill, were you? No. Okay. God, I love you guys together. I was chasing the Guamanians. Let's see. Well, the CO put it on the speaker system. So it was the whole camp surrogate.

And I can't remember the date or anything, but incidentally, the CO of the receiving station, he was a Woolly Booker guy. He kept throwing beer parties out on the beach. Sounds like our people. Maybe, maybe, maybe.

When, sorry, when did you guys hear how the war ended? Did you guys hear that there was nuclear weapons involved? Did you? No, no, no. We heard nothing about that. Only that they finally had enough. They had to surrender. They were just about wiped out. They had no Navy. I went into Ryuka, Sassable Harbor, and it's a submarine base.

And usually see the submarines turned upside down. And what ships were there were sticking up with a bow out. I mean, they desiccated. Our Air Force just pounded that place to attack. We went in and slept in warehouses. Rats all over. We had our blankets over us. And all of a sudden, what the heck was that? Rats. Oh, they were all over the warehouse. Well, we were supposed to hold that area down.

Later, we went off into towns because we had to clean up. We didn't do it. We supervised the people to do it. We never saw a human being in Japan for two weeks. Holy shit. Never saw them. Then all of a sudden, kids would come down. We'd give them a candy, ration bar candy. They'd go back. Their mama would come down. Then she'd get some canned goods. They didn't have anything.

And the old man came down. He was a little bit superstitious about it. But all of a sudden, they went and told everybody. But then people are all coming down. And that was it.

This is during a time frame when – so the Japanese were told that American soldiers will kill you. They're going to do terrible things. And that's what their military told and their country told the civilians. That's why A-Lock committed –

in order to instead of getting captured surrendered so that's why when you like the kids coming down give candy then it's just like holy they're not they're not eating us they're not terrible humans I got into homes I had great time there was one man there he was started going to start a union at this at the docks they never had unions you know and he was telling me he said

I have to tell you that your president, Mr. Roosevelt, he was supporting the unions and people got a decent wage. We are trying to do that here. That's crazy. I have a question about the rats. The what? The rats. The rats, yes. You're a Marine. Did the Marines ever tell you? I hate them. Okay, you were a Marine.

You are a Marine. Did you ever take the two biggest rats and fight them against each other? No.

That's something that Marines would do. You hear me out? He hasn't said no. We never thought about it. I knew a couple guys would do it. He called you rattlesnakes. I knew a Marine would take the rats and fight them against each other. I got an idea, guys. There's a big rat here. There's a big rat here. What if they fall?

We're all bored. I'm just saying. In Los Angeles, you were in California, weren't you? Were you in California? Yeah. The L.A. hotel? Well, we took that hotel over during the war. I was too young. And there was a court. You know, there's rooms and there's that hollow court.

We had a few guys who brought the simulator bombs, you know, they just had a loud boom, you know, and when that echo, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And Luhansal, he caught rattlesnakes, killed them, then he'd skin them, and he'd make belts. The guy was really good. His mother managed the L.A. hotel.

No doubt. I went back there after the war, and I wanted to visit her. He had moved. And she said, Graves...

you guys just about put me out of business. He said, all we had was reports about noises and doors, doors with a fist and played through it. It was terrible. Oh, it was awful. It's called booze and Marines. Al, you said they told you about nuclear bombs when the Japanese surrender, what they say, or what was your guys' understanding of what a nuclear bomb was? Did you even know what it was? Yeah.

Well, yeah, I did. Okay. Because I was an electronics fan. That's what I took after I got out of the service, went to school for electronics. So, yeah, I didn't know entirely about it, but I knew. You had an idea. Yeah, I had an idea what it was. And that's what scared the hell out of me. Yeah. I bet. Yeah. Yeah.

what I did to Japan man killed thousands of people instantly yep in a flash but it's just scaring the hell out of me right now our government figured out how to harness the sun yeah right there you go concerning yeah but to end the war though because like even the battle of Iwo Jima was

a very bloody battle and that's what the one piece of history is it would have been more deaths actually getting on mainland than just the two nuclear bombs that were set off during that time and that's that's the piece of history that we brought up on a previous podcast is that every Purple Heart that the U.S military has ever given out to current day including yours that you got

was actually made in preparation for... I'm mad at my job. It was made in preparation for an invasion of Japan because they were expecting that many casualties. Yeah, they were getting ready for it.

Crazy. Now, this is, if you want a crazy story. So, Don, during the, they used to hammer, they would bomb the beaches and that's where you guys would hang out or hide in at first when you were getting on the beaches when you beached Iwo Jima, correct? Yes, what about the bombing? You would hide in the bombs, or in the holes, the craters. Yes, yes. I always say

The Air Corps. Air Corps. Air Corps at that time. They had the best tailor-made foxholes a Marine ever called into. It would handle three Marines. We're digging a cave-in.

That bomb just busted that right out of there. Beautiful. Dang it in three seconds. Go, go, go. Let's just imagine explosion. Like, run, get in that one. Okay, we're good. That's crazy to me. Lightning doesn't strike twice. We're going in that one. You know, here's something that I'll say it right. Uh-oh.

Well, no, there's a lot of hygiene here. Now, imagine for six weeks, you can't get out of your foxhole. We learned that because a lot of kids got shot doing something. You don't do it. You don't. When we got aboard ship, we had nets when we got down. We had nets to get back up. And the sailors would help us crawl over the top.

We never washed our teeth. We never washed our face. We never shaved, etc., etc., etc. We were a mess. And this one kid, he knew me. He said, James, what's wrong with your eyes? And I said, why? Well, they're on fire. They're red. They're just red. We didn't get any sleep. You wouldn't catnap either. No. No. Uh-uh. We didn't get any sleep. We were a mess. Yeah.

You should have. So you can use your imagination as to why we were. Explosions, everything else. So when, how often for your rotations, how, when was the first bath after you've hit the beach? Right aboard ship. How long was that? Shower. How long? How many weeks?

Oh, what, it was six weeks on there. Jesus. It's something that like a lot of my family had talked about because I had family who served in the Pacific as well. A lot of them had issues with, you know, their teeth would rot out and things because nobody brushed your teeth because at least the way that I was told he put it was why brush your teeth to keep your teeth for 20 years when we don't know if we'll live to tomorrow. That's just kind of the way they look at it. You can always get false choppers if they get hit.

That's a positive-ass mindset. I ain't brushing them. You get fake ones. No, you know, I've learned this one thing. It's one thing to face the enemy, get shot at, and shoot at them. It's another thing, the living condition. It's horrible. It's just bad. I don't know how many, at least...

In my company, we had three or four guys. They just couldn't wait. They went outside the hole and did everything. Bam! Sitting ducks.

You know, a lot of people don't realize that about the history of warfare is that most of the time, until pretty recently, most deaths in war had nothing to do with the enemy. I mean, like even during the Civil War, most deaths had nothing to do with an enemy bullet, anything like that. It was dysentery, disease, you know, just poor living conditions for four years. That'll do more than the enemy ever will. You fellas ever seen Letters from Ewo? Letters of Iwo Jima? Yeah. That's a Cadillac. Beautiful.

That's the Cadillac that was made. You got straight scooped because the remainder of the boys that went home, we arrested 250 of them. The rest were killed. They went home and told everybody. And so they knew what they were talking about writing that book. So the Flags of Our Fathers was a fluke. Those others were...

I was with Spielberg there at Normandy that wrote Spielberg. Him and Tom Hanks. You were with Tom Hanks too? Yeah. No, no. Tom Hanks was there. He wasn't over where I was, but he was walking around. But you were with Spielberg? But Spielberg. Did you get to talk to Tom Hanks? No. Oh. Just Spielberg? Yeah, but Spielberg, a wonderful guy. Oh, yeah. You know, normally they'll talk and then they get away.

He said, just a minute, Don. He said, I got to leave, but I'll be right back. And I thought, well, that's the end of that. He came back and said, where were we? I thought that was great. I asked him about the movie. I said, let me ask you something. Um,

What was the big one that Tom Hanks was in with him on? Saving Private Ryan. Yeah. Good, man. Classic. You say it's a classic? It's a fluke. It's a fluke. Okay. Let me tell you why. I hate Saving Private Ryan. Who likes that movie? John Bass alone was killed on my right, 10 feet away. He was on a bond tour before that.

And he went to a skipper who was Chessie Puller. He was a captain then. I recognize that name. So he went to Chessie Puller and said, Captain, he said, I want to go on with my buddies. He said, but we're making money, Bontours. He said, I want to go back. I want to go on the line. I want to go with my buddies. Well, he got in our outfit. He got in the 27th Regiment of my division. He was right around my right.

He never got up. They got shot there. They've got him. Come on, you so-and-so says, get him. He's got a machine gun and he's blazing away. That never happened. Are you talking about...

Flags of Our Fathers? Yeah. I'm talking about Flags of Our Fathers. Because I was going to ask you, yeah, I thought you were talking about Saving Private Ryan for a moment. I did too. I was like, well, I thought everyone liked that. Because I was going to ask you what your problem with that movie was. And there was one other thing. There were several, but one other thing. At the end, do you remember the two Japanese that escaped from their own people and they had white rags and they surrendered and they sat him down there and a sergeant was standing with his M1

and a lieutenant came up to him and he said we're going on a patrol keep an eye on these two we'll be back he said yes sir he had chew in his mouth he looked at the two japanese and the one japanese says i don't like him the other one says well he'll be all right he'll be all right the sergeant buck sergeant bam bam killed the book

That never happened. He'd have been court-martialed. When you surrender, you take care of him. And you guys took that very seriously. That never happened. They should never have put that in. Then also, the 1st Marine Division went to New Zealand after Guadalcanal. I went to New Zealand right after that. And that other half went to Australia. Now, in New Zealand, they have what they call trams, which are streetcars.

These boys had liberty and they ran in town with their white skivvy shirts. Never happened. You don't go anywhere with your undershirt. That's an undershirt. And they're running all over the street car harassed. It was terrible. That never happened.

That was crazy. And the same thing in Australia. I could go on and on and on. And there was one mariner that was meaner than heck. Do you remember him? He didn't like the Japs. He hated them. And there were prisoners sitting there. And he went by with his rifle and he kicked the one, if you remember. He did something to him. And I said, here we go. That never happened. Mm-hmm.

That never happened. That doesn't happen. None of the Marine Corps. But saving Private Ryan? I didn't care for that. Saving Private. Let's go to that one. Oh, yes. Now they found him. They finally found Private Ryan. I'm not going. Oh, really? Really? Really?

You've got a commander there telling you that we've got you. They want you back. You're going to Lauderdale. I'm not leaving. I'm not leaving my buddies. You will go. And then just behind, there's a sergeant telling a kid what to do, and they have a fist fight. Never happened. You don't hit someone with stripes. Now, what if that is just the version of events that...

The man at the end, the guy, Private Ryan at the end, told his family to sound really cool.

He made it up. He made it up, yeah. Well, I mean, it brings out some of the conditions that you go through. That's true. But I mean, why did they do that? So I told Spielberg that. He said, Don... He said... I like how he's just like, yo, Spielberg. What the F, bro? Listen here, that T-Rex, that's not how they saw him. He said, Don...

You have to sell movies. Spielberg, come here. I appreciate his candid. Don said, why don't you sell this? So I was asked to ask about Hill 362. I'll never forget it. We lost our battalion there. Damn. We lost our battalion and another guy, he was our music. He's on the line with us.

He came to me and he knew demolition. He said, Graves, we got a job to do. We woke up in the morning, you know. I don't have anybody at all. I'm all by myself. So I joined him. And there's a ridge that goes up to the right. There's a mouth on Hill 362A. And they fired. They threw everything up. They killed our battalion, broke our battalion up. We had no officers left. So in the morning, we crawled up a ledge on the right and it's...

It's just like this here and all of a sudden we got a, we got demolition. We have a cone shape, a mine you set on top and it'll blow in. We had everything we needed and we're crawling up and all of a sudden right over here, bam, it's a .50 caliber burning the ground. There's a tank opening up on us. Holy shit. They thought we were chaps. I don't know what happened, but thank God they stopped. Someone must have told them those are friendly.

Holy shit. And we got to the top. We had to crawl over. I counted them. 25, 30 dead Japanese. We had to crawl over to get to the mouth. We got to the mouth and we set a five gallon can of gasoline with primer cord fuse. We had a rope on it. We're singing it like and our boys are down there watching us.

And we're swinging it like that. And the one, the other guy, I'm swinging. He pulls the cord. And all of a sudden, we let go and back up. Kaboom. Fire goes in there and rolls out. Didn't do any good. They ran to the north underground. They went all the way. You could go on eight miles in Iwo Jima in tunnels.

Then we put the shape charge on it and we blew some of it in, but it didn't all go in. So how did you guys address the tunnels? Nothing. We wouldn't walk in them. I wouldn't go inside. No. If they want to come out, okay.

Yeah. Guys, I just, before we close this out, I know it's getting late, and I just want to say, again, from Unsub, all of us, all of us, you guys, thank you so much for your time. You both are amazing humans. We are truly honored to have you sit at this table, and we are going...

This is like our most proud episode. We can say that easily. We've done 160 something. This one right here is the one we like. We're just thank you so fucking much for this. Can I say just a few short words? Absolutely. God bless America. Amen. Hell yeah. God bless America. I can live with that one. I've got a comment. Five years after I was discharged, I was out taking flying lessons and this pretty gal said,

just landed and pulled up where I was and I saw a blue sweater get out of the airplane so I had to go see. Come to find out she was a widow with five kids. He was killed on Iwo Jima. No doubt. Yeah, then he we finally got married.

No doubt. So you met her. We had two of our own. Seven kiddos. Congratulations, brother. I thought you were talking about Don for a second. Beautiful young girl. Don's like, I'm going to fight you. I'm going to get you in trouble. He's the old man. What?

Yeah, I was confused. Don didn't stay. Well, let me tell you about a girl. I met a second girl after I got out of the Corps, and we were married for 72 years. Oh, dang. Congratulations on both. She passed away after that, yeah.

My condolences. But yeah, like that 72 years speaks for the testament of an amazing relationship. How long were you married for? 48 years. That is both of y'all are just amazing humans. We are truly blessed. I was her in 2000. That was our generation. My condolences. That was our generation. If I can ask before we lose the opportunity to, I was asked to ask about your girlfriend on Iwo Jima.

My girlfriend? I was told it was a funny story. Wait, what is this? I need to know.

Wait, go open this can of worms. Iwo Jima. Explain that to me a little bit. I was just told to ask. I'm not sure what the story is here. I had a girlfriend on Iwo Jima. You never heard that, did you? She sent you a picture? She sent you a picture? She sent me a picture? That's what she said. Who sent that? It was Al.

Oh, wait a minute. How do you know that? I've got to tell you. Kind of remember. Kitty. Her name was Kathleen. They were Irish. Of course, I'm Irish too. You get mail. We got mail. I don't care if you're in combat. You get your mail. I've been a foxhole. I got this flat package.

Everybody's concerned. What's in the package? I said, have an opener. He said, well, open up. Now I went, well. I opened it up, and here was a beautiful picture of Kitty. She's graduation from high school. Beautiful. I set her up on the other side of the cave, of the hole, like that. And some of the guys say, hey, Grace, what do you have in the package? I said, my girl from back in Detroit. Oh, great.

Yeah, he said, well, listen, when you get through with it, will you send it over to us? Hey, I'm sorry, but that's the way it was. That's what happened. Some things never change. The worst part is...

We're in a war. The worst part is they had four weeks left in that foxhole. Cody, you want to do the honors? Close us out. Hey, I hope that's not recorded. Not at all.

All right. I'm going to mess this up one more time. Okay. All right. Thank you guys for joining the Unsubscribe podcast. I'm joined by Eli Doubletap, Nick, Fat Electrician, Don Graves, Al Chatwin. Chatwin. Chatwin. Al Chatwin, E4 Brothers for Life, E4 Mafia. Myself, Donut Operator, and Brandon Herrera. Thank you so much for tuning in to this amazing podcast where we had two of the best of us,

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You want beta VHS? DVD. Yeah, DVD. No, no, no. Only the best Blu-ray for our friends. Yeah, Blu-ray. Hey, I'm going to play that and my daughter will say, oh, dad. I'll tell her. We're E4 Mafia. We were Marines. We did things. Holy shit. E4 Mafia. Just like this.

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