cover of episode E146: Did the Fed break the VC model? Plus IPOs, M&A, revaluing unicorns & more

E146: Did the Fed break the VC model? Plus IPOs, M&A, revaluing unicorns & more

2023/9/22
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All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg

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Chamath Palihapitiya
以深刻的投资见解和社会资本主义理念而闻名的风险投资家和企业家。
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David Friedberg
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David Sacks
一位在房地产法和技术政策领域都有影响力的律师和学者。
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Jason Calacanis
一位多才多艺的美国互联网企业家、天使投资人和播客主持人,投资过多家知名初创公司,并主持多个影响广泛的播客节目。
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Chamath Palihapitiya: 维韦克·拉马斯瓦米在共和党初选中表现强劲,可能成为特朗普的有力竞争者,甚至可能导致共和党选民在两人之间做出选择。民主党压制罗伯特·肯尼迪的竞选活动是不公平的,这损害了美国的民主进程。拉马斯瓦米在财政责任和对“官僚体系”的看法上,比肯尼迪和特朗普更令人信服。2023年All-In峰会的内容质量很高,一些演讲者超出了他的预期,格雷厄姆·艾利森和拉里·萨默斯的演讲尤为出色。由于美联储的政策,公司需要更多的现金储备来应对更长的经济低迷期,维持高利率将对非大型科技公司产生负面影响。 David Sacks: 他对候选人的评价标准是可接受或不可接受,而对乌克兰战争的立场是他的底线。美国面临财政紧急情况,但解决这个问题需要两党合作,总统对外交政策拥有单方面决策权。美国经济衰退的原因是可控的,但解决方法需要选民在不同方向上达成共识。解决美国财政危机需要两党合作,但目前选民对未来方向缺乏共识。在没有另一党支持的情况下,任何一方大幅削减政府开支都是政治自杀。目前两党都不愿削减军事或社会支出,因此解决财政危机缺乏政治意愿。不断增长的债务利息支出将最终限制联邦预算。美国政府最终将不得不面对不断增长的债务利息支出。有限合伙人将根据风险投资的阿尔法值来评估其投资回报。 David Friedberg: 近期IPO并非市场全面复苏的标志,美国IPO的结构存在问题。Instacart、Klaviyo和Arm的IPO表现不佳,主要原因是IPO结构设计存在缺陷,银行在IPO结构设计上存在缺陷。衡量企业成功的真正标准是企业的业绩,而不是IPO价格。需要评估Instacart、Klaviyo和Arm的业务质量,而不是仅仅关注其股价。Spotify的IPO表现良好,是因为其业务表现强劲。IPO活动大幅减少,对风险投资基金的资金规模产生了影响。 Jason Calacanis: 过去一年半,软件行业经历了经济衰退,但消费者支出保持强劲。企业部门经济衰退后,消费者支出可能面临压力。美联储维持高利率将导致风险资本减少,估值下降。Airtable满足了尚未被专用SaaS应用满足的众多细分用例需求。Airtable的估值下降可能反映了企业最终会迁移到更专业的工具这一趋势。Instacart的广告收入增长迅速,但交易量增长乏力,这引发了对其商业模式的担忧。广告收入对经济周期敏感,而且大型科技公司往往占据更大的市场份额。Instacart等公司需要关注其交易费率,因为历史表明交易费率往往会下降。Klaviyo的IPO表现强劲,表明其业务模式稳健。Klaviyo的业务依赖于Shopify平台,这是一个潜在的风险,但Klaviyo通过股权投资等方式减轻了这种风险。如果一家公司的优先股价值超过公司价值,创始人可能需要通过IPO或其他方式来解决这个问题。Airtable的估值与其同行相比偏高。

Deep Dive

Chapters
The discussion covers the GOP primary, focusing on polling, acceptable candidates, and key issues such as fiscal responsibility and foreign policy.
  • Vivek Ramaswamy is emerging as a clear number two in the GOP primary polls.
  • The importance of fiscal responsibility and deconstructing the 'blob' (establishment) is emphasized.
  • The central issue of the campaign is viewed as avoiding World War III, particularly concerning the Ukraine war.

Shownotes Transcript

(0:00) Bestie intros!

(3:05) GOP Primary update: polling, acceptable candidates, tentpole issues

(11:56) All-In Summit 2023 recap

(24:12) IPOs and M&A heat up: Arm, Instacart, and Klaviyo go public, Cisco acquires Splunk for $28B, but did the "great reopening" fall short?

(42:34) Did the Fed break the VC model? How LPs will evaluate fund managers going forward

(50:45) Breaking down Instacart and Klaviyo's businesses

(1:01:12) Revaluing Airtable and the path forward for ZIRP-era unicorns

(1:13:14) Fed pauses rate hikes, but says rates will stay higher for longer, plus: what breaks next in the economy?

(1:32:51) Science Corner: new "inverse-vaccine" treatment is a potential game changer for autoimmune diseases

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