Session 33: Lizzy McAlpine
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Hi, pussies. Welcome back to Therapist. Today, we have one of my favorite, favorite, favorite singer-songwriters, Lizzy McAlpine. Lizzy and I met at the Ryan Beattie Show in Los Angeles, and it was literally love at first sight. We were talking, and I was like, I literally didn't think she'd say yes, and I was like, would there be any world in which you'd ever want to come on Therapist? And she was like, absolutely, and we made it happen, and we're going to do it.

It was amazing and she's amazing. Go stream her latest album, Older. It is literally like a masterclass in production and songwriting. It is amazing.

so fucking incredible um she's incredible she's so talented and i'm so excited for you guys to get to know her more and as always submit tell me what's wrong to pass that puss.com leave a name and number if you're feeling fancy also today the general on sale for therapist live went live so buy your tickets now before they sell out love you pussies welcome lizzie to

Thanks for having me. Thanks for being here. I need to make a disclaimer before we begin. Okay.

And I need you to hold me accountable. Okay. I was given a talk before this that was like, you literally have a problem. You cut everyone off. Like, it was by her. She said like, I said, girl, you've been reading the comments too, huh? She said, yes. And you cut everyone off. So if I cut you off, you need to just point at me like a dog and say, Jake. Okay. And I'll stop talking. Okay. I probably won't do that, but. I know you won't, but I'm just telling you like you can. Okay. So.

So Lizzie and I actually met at, what was it, last month? Yeah, it was like not that long ago. And we like both were like, I was like free. I was so like, I mean, I've literally seen you at every single event I've gone to. And every time I'm like, shoot, I want to say hi to him. And then.

And then you just leave too early. I'm always in and out. And then I'm like searching for you in the crowd. And I'm like, where did you go? I have the worst social anxiety. So I'm always like, oi, like I'm in and I'm out. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like I just get the, but at the Ryan Beatty concert, like that was the perfect place for us. And we, and I would obviously talk about how much we love Ryan Beatty. Told you how much I loved your record. And what else did we talk about? Therapist, which she is now on.

Do you have anything to say? Like, how's your day going? Like, I'm literally a bad person. It's going pretty good. We just had rehearsal. I just came from the Valley. Ooh. Yeah, we were rehearsing for... Four?

No, I mean, we're on tour. We've rehearsed for that already. Okay, but I... That's... See, normally I'd be like, yeah, but I thought people, like... Okay, do people just rehearse and then go on tour, or do some people rehearse, tour, rehearse, tour, rehearse? Like... I mean, it kind of depends. Right.

I'm not doing that. We just rehearsed at the beginning and then... Well, there's no like big dance numbers. Right. It's not like we don't have to memorize choreography or anything. But yeah, we're doing like two week breaks in between each little run of shows. Where are you heading next? Seattle. We're doing the West Coast. I was about to be like, I love Seattle. I've literally never been there. But where is Seattle? Washington. Yes. Not DC. Not DC. It's from the state of Washington. Yes.

Where are you from? Philadelphia. We spoke about this. Yes. Right outside. Right outside. Yes. East Coast. Yes. And have you done a hometown show yet? Yes. Multiple. Not on this tour. Not on this album. No, not yet. That is in June. Are you excited? So excited. Are those like your favorite type of shows? Yes. I love all the East Coast shows. I mean, New York.

Boston, Philly, D.C., like all of those are so fun. The crowds there are so good, I feel like. Because the crowds in L.A. are always like too cool to be there. Totally. Do you know what I mean? I do. I do. And like that was literally my entire aesthetic for Coachella this year. I was like, I'm going to dress like I'm too cool to be there. But like I was playing a character. I was like, I'm playing cool kid. Like that's what I'm going to do. So that's how I dressed and it was so bad. Bad? Yeah.

Like, it was tragic. I did not go. I don't go to Coachella. You don't? No. I've gone once when I sang with Phineas, like, two years ago. How was that? That was great. Yeah. But we literally just went and then left. Right. Because I don't do the desert. I don't like the sand. Right. The dust. I wouldn't also say it's, like, a real...

music music festival. You know what I mean? Like, what do you have a favorite music festival? Do you like music festivals? Like go to shows period. Like, I don't, I know I met you at Ryan. I know, I know, I know, but I went to him because my band is playing, right. It's playing for him. And I love that record so much. And if it's like an artist that I actually really enjoy listening to and care about, then I will go. Yeah. Um, but I don't like to stand for that long. I don't like being in huge crowds of people. Um,

I don't, it's just like sweaty and hot. Yeah. It's usually drunk, you know? And it's just like, not for me. I get uncomfortable. Cause I don't drink. So. Oh my God, I just cut you off. Oh my God. Literally, it's not, we're just having a conversation. It's just flowing, you know? I know, but like, I was like giving like a talk. Like it was like, you can get it together. Okay. Don't worry about it. Don't worry. Um, I don't remember what I was saying. See, that's the problem.

But it wasn't that important. Everything you say is important. Don't say that. Well, speaking of importance, what's your star sign? I'm a Virgo. Wow. Yeah. Okay. Virgo sun, Aquarius moon, Sagittarius rising. I don't really know like what that means. I kind of know what Aquarius moon means. It's like emotional. Okay. It's emotional. I'm pretty sure Sagittarius are like really fun.

So maybe that's like the. I wasn't aware of that about myself. Well, like also like everything I say, I like to say everything I say about horoscopes is like basically a lie because I don't know what I'm talking about. Yeah, I don't know either one. But mine, I know my chart's real scary. What are you? A Scorpio sun. Whoa. It gets. My first ex was a Scorpio. Oh no. Let me tell you, my chart gets so much worse. Gemini rising. Whoa. Gemini moon. Oh my God. I know.

It's bad. I'm acting like I know anything about this. That just sounds scary. You know, it's like the title of a horror movie. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah. It's

Scorpio sun, Gemini rising, Gemini moon. Like that's my horror movie. Yeah. Well, Lizzie, first of all, I need to tell you the song I relate to most on your album and not for the way you're going to think I relate to it. Drunk running. Because the person you're singing about is a loser that drinks Red Bull vodkas. I'm the loser that drinks Red Bull vodkas. Well, that actually wasn't like, I've never seen him drink a Red Bull vodka. It was just like, it rhymed, you know? So I just like kind of put it in there. I drink Red Bull vodkas. Cool. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't really see it. I mean, if that's your drink of choice, that's your drink of choice. It's so bad. It's actually bad. It's bad for my heart. It's bad for everything. I'm scared of Red Bulls. You are? I used to be like strictly forbidden against them when I was a kid. I mean, I don't really, I don't, I don't drink alcohol. I don't drink caffeine. Nothing with caffeine in it. I don't like to put anything like in my body. I'm scared. I'm so sensitive. Like my body is so sensitive that if I have one sip of anything with caffeine in it, it doesn't have to be coffee. I feel it immediately. And I need to like lay down for the rest of my day. Oh my God. We are two different people.

No drinking, no caffeine. I aspire to be you. You are literally like you are going to live so long. Do you understand that? It's just because my body literally feels like it will fall apart if I put any of that into my system. Well, don't worry. Your body is anything but falling apart. Like you treat it like a temple. That's amazing. I try my best. And I assume you don't smoke. No. Yep. Oh my God. So your brain's healthy too. And I'm trying to go gluten free. Oh my God. Because my doctor said I should. Yeah. Your doctor said you should? Yeah. I'd be like, babe, the drinking is enough. Yeah.

I'm good. Your doctor told you you should go gluten free. Well, she was like, you should try an anti-inflammatory diet. So no gluten, no dairy. Oh, Jesus Christ. Which I don't do. I like cheese and stuff. And no sugar, which also like, come on. Yeah. By the way, sugar is impossible to cut out. It's an abracadabra. I know. So that's ridiculous. I'm trying to not eat like candy all the time. Oh, I love candy. And then alcohol. Yeah. Well, you got that one covered. Yeah.

fuck I like want to be you that's why you're so creative and so articulate totally because you don't you don't put any caffeine in your body so your brain is so like present with you yeah I mean I don't like to feel like I'm not in my body I don't like anything that takes me out of my body like alcohol when I would drink I was just like I don't like not being in control I think yes oh oh my god that's a Virgo thing yeah totally that's a Virgo thing it is it really is that's

Wow, that much I do know. That much I do know. Me too, me too. Virgos love control. Oh my God. Well, Lizzie, is there anything you're a therapist about today? And it's probably not much because I feel like you're like so at peace. I get pissed about a lot of things. No, no, that's all a front. Okay. Well, one thing that's like kind of a hot topic in my life right now is...

I played Red Rocks on Wednesday, which was crazy. Red Rocks Amphitheater? Yes. Yes. I know where Red Rocks Amphitheater is. Okay, I'll stop. Continue. It was wild. But I put, so my song Ceilings. Duh. It went viral on TikTok. You may have heard it. Maybe. I did the Ceilings trend. And I put, wait, I feel like I saw that. Yeah. I think I saw that. I did it. I ran down my old apartment block. Sorry. Yes. Oh my God.

I put Ceilings like towards the end of my set, but not at the end end. Right. And I played it. And then I just watched like hundreds of people get up and walk out. And it like wasn't that in the moment. I wasn't like, that sucks. Yeah. I was just like, I'm just going to keep going because I can't really. Yeah. Good for you. Think about this right now. But afterwards, like.

I was like, oh, that sucked. Fuck, I'm sorry. It's okay. I'm moving it to be an encore. Okay. Because also the song After Ceilings is a song about my literal dead father and watching people like walk out. I was like, oh my God, I'm like crying on stage and they're like leaving. Oh, I'm so sorry. It's okay. It's okay. It's kind of like whatever. Par for the course. I kind of knew it was going to be happening. But yeah, we're making changes.

Putting it at the very end of the set. Yeah. So they're going to have to wait. Yeah. If they really only came to see sea lynx.

But yeah, that's what I'm pissed about today. Okay. Not really like, I mean, it's whatever. That's such a valid thing to be pissed about. But no, that's so many people love you beyond ceiling. And I know. Like beyond words. Truly like that Red Rocks, besides that little moment, like was so special. And it's, that's like almost like 10,000 people. Like that's crazy. And it was a headlining show? And it sold out. Yeah. Good for you. Damn. I was honestly like.

blown away. I mean, I did soundcheck and it's like the venues always look smaller when there's no people in them. And then I came out on stage and I almost started crying. I was like, what the, how are these many people here? What does it feel like when they all like sing your lyrics back to you? Honestly, like so surreal, especially with this album, because it's like, so like me, I just feel like this is like the most authentic music that I've made.

thus far in my career. And to see people like accepting that and singing it and feeling it, it just makes me feel so like seen and validated. And I was so nervous that people wouldn't like this album because it wasn't five seconds flat or whatever. But I really feel like it's found the right, the people that, the people that love it, love it. And it really. People being me, I love it. And a lot of people love it. Like I can assure you, like,

I see so much about the older album all the time everywhere. And it's always positive. I promise. Thanks. Yeah, it's amazing. I do search out whatever people are saying about me. So I like try to look for. The positive? No. Oh, the negative. Yeah. Just because I like want to know what people are saying and I want to please everyone. But that's not possible. And I need to stop. So I've been kind of like that.

dialing it back. I'm like, okay, let's not search my name on Twitter anymore. You know? Oh, that is the worst. That is the worst. Yeah. Like, but the thing is, and I heard someone say this, well, first of all, like I reading something negative is always the worst because you could read a hundred positive things. I think someone said this the other day and one, you read one thing and just like tears them all down. But like,

Someone, I think it was, was it Lucy Louise that came on here and told us that, yeah, it was Lucy. She said she heard, I think it was on Dax Shepard's podcast, that like if you just think of a troll, like a troll comment as someone you're literally walking down the street and passing by, like it kind of puts it into perspective what it really is. Which actually I was like, wow, that's really good advice. Yeah. And it hasn't, I mean, honestly, it's,

It hasn't affected me that much, like, in general. Yeah, I mean, you're playing 10,000 people sold out shows. Yeah, and also because, like, I know this music is authentic to me, and that's all that really matters. Right. And the people who are going to connect with it are going to connect with it, and that's... And they are, and that's how I was able to sell out Red Rock, so... Exactly, period! Just... I'm very grateful for the people that like it. Well, we're all grateful that you made this record. Seriously, it's amazing. Thank you. But...

When you were making this record, was there, like, one person you had in mind? How did you, like, what was the period of life that you were making this in? Well, I wrote this all about one person, my college ex, and we dated for one month. You're me. And then the next four years, we were, like, hooking up on and off. Okay, so not me. Never mind. But, like, fully just really dated a month and a half. Yeah. Which is kind of crazy. But, yeah, I wrote it all about him, and by the time, like...

This album took three years to make. And halfway through making it, I met my...

boyfriend we're not together anymore we broke up but I met my ex other ex-boyfriend most recent and and everything kind of shifted like my perspective shifted on the college relationship and then I wrote more songs after that and yeah I was kind of now I have like insane perspective on the relationship that I wrote the album about because I was writing about it I produced it now I'm playing these songs I'm like living in it and reflecting on it like all the time

So does it, is it so cathartic to like write about like real life situations? Yeah, totally. It was like therapy. It was literally like writing this album was like going to therapy. Do you like come up with like the melodies? I'm just so, I'm always so fascinated about songwriting. Like, and I like, I write poems.

I see them. Yes. My comedy poem. They're good. Thank you. And because I'm like, wait, this is so cathartic and I want to be a singer songwriter. So can you tell me like how you do you start with the melody? Do you start with the title? Do you start with like, how do you or is it all different? I usually start with the chords, guitar or piano, either one. I'll come up with chords. And then once I know like the vibe of the.

and what it feels like, then usually the melody and the words will come together at the same time. And it's really just like word vomit. I'm just kind of writing in my notes app and seeing if good things come out of my mouth. And then do you just bring it to the studio and see what happens? I usually write them all in a chunk. I'll go through a writing phase and then I'll go...

into the studio. I mean, this record was different because in the past I would just go in with one producer and we would produce mix all the same time and then like we would finish it that way. Wow. But this time...

I did that in the beginning for like nine months and we almost finished the record. And then I was like, something's not feeling right. So I pivoted. I went to the Ryan Beatty show at the Ford in like August and I saw his band and I was like, I need these people. Like I need these people. So I got in touch with Mason, the leader of the band. And I was like, do you guys want to just like help me rerecord my album for two weeks? And he was like, yeah.

And they were all down and they were all available. So we just re-recorded the whole thing. So yeah, it was different from how I've normally done albums, but it was, I think, so much more fulfilling because it was like we were creating a piece of art together in one room for two weeks and it felt really cool. It was very cool. Sounds really cool. Yeah. Fuck, I want to be creative like that. You can be. No, girl, I can't.

I can't. That's amazing, though. Do you have a favorite song that you've written on the album? Like, was there any of the, okay, was, or was there any, what was the song that was, like, easiest to write that, like, it really came out like word vomit and it just, like, happened? I mean, I know all of them. Yeah. If a song doesn't happen, like, immediately, I usually don't.

use it like right I won't come back to it if I'm like writing half a song and I can't get past this one section I won't come back to it the ones that usually end up on my records are the ones that happen like in 20 minutes how long well my one of my favorites on the record I feel like I'm not alone and this is vortex like really really love vortex amazing what was it like to write and record that one like did it like was there a lot of edits or did it kind of happen and you were like this is it

I wrote that one just by myself in my apartment. Wow. You can hear it. It's phenomenal. And I just made a voice memo. And then I went in with John Bryan, who is like an icon and a legend. And he did like the soundtrack to Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. Wow. And he did all the Mac Miller, like most of the Mac Miller records. Oh, shit. And he's literally a legend. And I took this song to him and we did like this whole thing. He added all of his like sparkly sounds and it was cool, but...

When I went in with the band, I was like, I kind of want to strip it back. Yeah. So we initially was just going to be piano and vocal because that was how my voice memo was. And I really wanted to. It's kind of an overarching theme with the album. I just wanted to capture like the song. Right. And not overproduce it when it didn't need it. And then the band just kind of started playing at the end. And then we were like, oh, this is cool. Let's just add this at the end. And yeah. Yeah.

It was all very natural. It all happened very like organically. That's dead ass art. I'm so serious. I'm like, like I'm watching. I just finished Daisy Jones and the Six. And like, I'm like, that's what this sounds like. Like you're just like writing and recording and like art. You know what I mean? Yeah. Oh my God. Well, well, before we get into the tell me what's wrong. I do want your opinion on something. Yep. Buffets.

Okay. Elaborate. Let me tell you something. Okay. Me and Julia, who's sitting out there, and our other friends, our other friend Peyton and Julia's boyfriend John, not that any of the relationships matter to the story, went to lunch. And I was about to say the place, but...

Um, we went to lunch and we were like, okay, like on, and you know, when like you're going to lunch and like, it is so hard to decide. Yes. Everything sounds bad. Me every time I go to anywhere. Everything sounds bad. Like everything. Like we were, and then we finally like semi settled on one, like with the hopes that it would be good, but like feeling in our gut, I think everyone knew, like even on the car ride there, I said like, Hey, like, are we all sure about this? I just don't want to get yelled at later. Like,

Because, like, it would be my fault because it was my suggestion. So we walk in and I'm, like, going well, going well, going well. And I look out of the corner of my eye and I'm, like, why is everyone standing in one room hovering over plates? Buffet. Oh, no. And they were, like, go. Was this not, like, advertised? Like, I think it was kind of, like, if you know, you know Saturday buffet. Yeah. Like, I didn't know. Yep. And so I said to the waiter, like, hey, like, anything – is there anything a la carte today? Like, what's the vibe? He's, like, buffet. And I was, like, cool. Cool.

So we had sushi. I had sushi. This is like why buffets should be illegal. I had sushi, an egg white omelet. I'm going to throw up. Ew. Chips and guac. What else did I have? Fried chicken. Did I have any? Julia. Julia.

She's gone. Egg white omelet with mozzarella, sushi, chips and guac, fried chicken. That's insane. There was funfetti cake thrown around. Julia had shrimp cocktail. And like it ruined our Saturday. I mean, I really think I don't trust a restaurant who is doing too much. Like I'm going to throw up. Pick one thing, you know, and be good at it. Yeah. There was a lot of things. You know?

Oh my God, I'm going to throw up. Individually, like I think they might have been good. Yeah, but it's hard to tell. But I was just like, fuck, this is why I hate buffets. The only buffet I like, have you ever gone to the Whole Foods buffet? Yes. That's my shit. Of course. That's my shit. I love like the hot food area. That's, I mean, that's great. That's like the one buffet I'll like ride or die for. I don't, I mean, is that a buffet really? No. It's just like a hot food area. It's a hot bar.

I love that. Yeah. But a buffet is like. Well, my thing is I'm just like I'm never wanting to go out to dinner and get a buffet. No. Like, you know. That's never the vibe. I want to go out and I want to order off a menu or I want to order at the front and I want to take a number and I want to sit down or like whatever. But like a buffet, like then it doesn't stop and then I'm just going to leave feeling sick. You know? Yeah. Like I always have to take smoke breaks and like.

Because I need to make myself hungrier. Sorry. Like, okay. Like something I do. Like when I, like for example, I think I had this meal the other day and it was so good. Oh yeah. I got sushi. And we were in between entrees and second, like we just ordered a lot of food and I was like, I need to go outside. So I went outside and I smoked and I made myself hungrier and I went back and then I finished. That's like the energy of buffet gives, but you can't really like choose your journey. Cause like it's pre chosen for you. It's predestined. It's predestined in a way that people don't understand because they're like, what do you mean? It's a buffet. I can choose my own destiny.

Out of pre-chosen items. I know. I don't love buffets. I don't actually remember the last time I went to a buffet. Like, I'm having a memory of a buffet. I'm sure it's bad. Oh, it's bad. It's bad. There's like ice cream in the corner. And then there's like all this seafood. Yeah, I'm going to throw up.

But like imagine a sushi and an egg white omelet. Why did I do that? It's because I was so lost. I was like, none of us were expecting the buffet to happen. We were like, whoa. And I looked at everyone and I was like, are you good? And they were like, I mean, like we're here. Like it's happening. Like I wish in that moment, like Julia, who is always the most vocal when she doesn't want to do something. It's just like, I don't want to do this. Well, you had that experience and now you're talking about it on this show. Yeah, I am. And it was wrong. And speaking of wrong.

I think it's time we get into the tell me what's wrongs. Do you know about the tell me what's wrongs? Of course I do. Some people don't. Some people don't. I don't mind explaining. I'm a fan. Girl, I'm a fan. Okay. So obviously we prescribe and you know. Yeah. You know. Is it hot in here? Are you hot? A little bit. Can we put the fan on Lizzie maybe? I mean, I don't care. Is the fan even on? Tell me. Yeah, I can feel it now. You can feel it? Yeah.

By the way, that just needs, I need to tell you, like, that's how much I love you because my number, yeah, like, my number one fear is heat. And, like, I love you so much. And, like, I'm like, no, no, no. She deserves. Fear? Like, you're afraid of heat. It's because. My body, like, actually can't do heat. Yeah, I can't. Yeah. I physically can't. I sleep with my AC on 62. I have a fan. Oh, my God. Me too. And I have a bed jet. You know what a bed jet is? What is that?

You got to get on the bed. What is that? It's a tube that goes under your bed and it blows cold air up your bed. And so your pillows and your, I'll text you a video. It gets like this and you go like this. And like, it's like you're in a cloud. You're in a legitimate cloud. You can sleep with that happening? Yeah.

That's crazy. It's outstanding. I don't think I'd be able to sleep with that. Okay. I understand that. It's honestly the, I have trouble sleeping with it. But like it makes me comfortable pre-sleep. Yeah. You know? That makes sense. This is, oh, hold on. Sorry. This is Emma. Hi, Emma. And I'm coming at you with crippling anxiety. Oof. I have no idea what I said to my situationship and I fear every time I drink I take it too far. Okay.

So you don't drink. I don't drink. So I have drank in the past. You know, I used to drink in college. Oh, why'd you quit drinking? I don't like how it makes me feel. Yeah. I always feel gross and dizzy. And then I just don't like it. And then the next morning I always have a headache and it's just not good for my body. Right. It's bad for you. Yeah. It's actually poison. So I don't think it's like good for you at all.

If you're waking up with crippling anxiety over something you said to your situationship, like, just know that, like, what's done is done. And my opinion is as long as you didn't do it to your friends, then, like, it's fine. Like, if you're, like, waking up and, like, your girls got you, then, like, all is good. Yeah, if it's to a man you don't care about or know really, like, they're going to be okay. You'll be fine. Like, it's really not that serious. Like, the most anxiety I get, like, I'm sure I've said crazy shit to guys before. Like, the most anxiety I get is if I ever fight with my friends.

That I don't like. Yeah. Like, and it rarely, rarely, rarely happens. And like when it does happen, we really laugh about it. But like that's something worth having anxiety over because those are relationships that really matter. Like a situationship, it's like not that serious. Like just know it's not that serious. Yeah. In 10 years, you're going to look back on this situationship and be like, why was I, why did I care so much? And also guys say so much stupid shit when they're drunk all the time and they don't feel anxiety about it. So it's fine. But like for you, I do prescribe like...

Do you have any idea? I like haven't been in this situation in so long. Oh, what about the song? I quit drinking by Lainey and Kelsey Ballerini, I think. Oh, nice. Yeah, I prescribed that. I think I've prescribed it before, but I'm going to prescribe it again. Not that you should quit drinking. Just like listen to the lyrics, you know?

So I'm fucking a 35 year old failed standup comedian and he keeps hinting at proposing. I'm 20 and I'm like low key down. Am I insane or am I just that much of an icon? Let me know. Okay. Like respectfully, you're 20 and he's 35 and he's proposing marriage. He's taking advantage of your vulnerable mental state and honestly stay away. Whoa. That's my opinion. Why would you ever like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

Whoa. You're too young to be married right now. Whoa. The shock. Yeah. That was shocking. But like you are an icon. Like she says. Totally. Live your best life. I'm an icon. Like, you know what I mean? Like. But marriage is. Marriage. Not when you're 20. No. You have so much life to live. No. Especially to a 35 year old. Like it's different if you're like getting married to someone your age and you're just like.

We're going to have fun together. Yeah. Like whatever. But they've already had their fun face. It feels like manipulative and weird. Yeah. And I don't like it. So for you, I prescribe Single Soon by Selena Gomez. Oh, yeah. I love that song. That's a good one. It's a good one, right? Do you have any advice for her? God, like, see, this is like my problem. No, I mean. I'm never like asking other people. I don't know. I mean, I literally was just I was just in a relationship for a year and a half and I don't.

know how to do anything related to dating or romance anymore so not really but maybe on the next one what to do when someone is making fun of you and being extremely rude to you please tell me how to act bitchy towards them because i don't have the courage to respond to them i just free froze and want to cry and i just don't and i just don't know how to work on that okay that's me too i mean if someone's mean to me like i literally can't take it like i'm i'm so sensitive

I am also so sensitive and my number one regret when, like, it's all about, I wish when I was little, like, I knew that all they want from you is a reaction, even if it is freezing. Like, if you just, like, literally don't give them the time of day to even listen to what they have to say, that's going to hurt them most. They'll just get...

Yeah. Because like it's almost like they're begging for you to see them by being mean and like this weird fucked up way. You know what I mean? Yes. They're like being a bully. And like I feel like the number one thing that hurts bullies the most is just like the idea that you don't think about them. And you don't care. And you don't care.

So, like, it's easier said than done, but, like, that's probably the bitchiest thing you can do. Or, like, honestly, like, if something comes to you in the moment, real bitchy. Yeah. And you feel it in your bones and it's, like, a comeback that you can just say and walk away. Like, I would definitely say that. Drop the mic situation. Drop the mic. I just get really sarcastic when people are being annoying. Yeah. I'm like, okay, well. Yeah. You know, like...

Oh, I'm trying to think of like how me and my friends fight and we're like so bitchy about it. But like my number one thing when like, for example, me and Julia, it's like one of my best friends. We fight like siblings. And when she's like not caring or like I'm like not caring, like that's when we get the angriest because it's like, hello. Yeah. But this doesn't sound like a friend situation. So like I would just like avoid this person at all costs and like, yes, you don't care even if you do. Yeah. Make it till you make it. Yep. Yep. Yep. I want to fuck my professor like badly.

Literally, I could not relate to anything more. Like, I seriously used to be in love with some of my professors. I'm so obsessed with her. It's not okay. It's not like it's weird if I did because she's in her 30s and I'm 20. I keep wearing subtly slutty clothes to her lectures because I need to munch. Whoa. Can't relate. Sorry. Okay. Like, my thing was, like, I'm just like, if you do fuck your professor, like, I'll be jealous because that was, like, always my fantasy in college. I was only in college for two years. You were. Yeah.

And all of my professors were like old. Yeah. You know, they're like teaching music theory. Nobody who teaches music theory is like hip and cool. I had a professor. I totally forgot who it was. What did they teach? I literally couldn't tell you because the entire time I could focus on how hot he was. He was so fine. And I'm pretty sure I had him over Zoom if I remember correctly. Nice.

And like, I think we would text sometimes. Oh my God. Like he just cared about me. Like he wasn't gay or even bisexual. I think he had a wife, but like he, he, I was in love with him and I forget his name and his number and all of the above. Anything about him? So what do I put? Oh my God. I'm literally blanking on these prescriptions. Do you have any idea of what to prescribe this girl? Like not really. Some, a lot of people lately have been struggling with the prescriptions. You're not the only one.

I need to like pull up my Spotify. No, you'll be good at prescribing music. If I have Spotify in front of me, I literally can't pull a song name out of my ass. Like I can't do it if I don't have Spotify in front of me. Anytime anyone is like, what are you listening to? I'm like, I don't know. Let me check. Like, what are you listening to?

Let me check. I actually had been meaning to ask you, like, what have you been listening to? Well, it's all sad because I'm going through a breakup. Oh, I'm sorry. So, like, a lot of Coldplay, Parachutes, that Parachutes album. Great album. A lot of, like, Blonde by Frank Ocean. That album came out when, like, my parents and I were, like, I think we took, like, a summer, like, a two-week vacation to, like, I forget where we were. It was, like, this very, like, foresty place with, like, lakes.

And I remember Blonde album came out and I would walk up and down the street and pretend like I wasn't called by your name and listen to Self Control on repeat. Nice. What's your favorite song from that album? I mean, the two songs in my playlist right now are Self Control and White Ferrari.

Like it's a really great album. It's a really, really good album. Yeah. Damn. And then in my not sad place, cause I always have like two playlists at a time. One for like the sad girl moments and then one for like wanting to feel like a bad bitch. And in that one is espresso. My Sabrina Carpenter, obviously. Um, the song back to him by Amelia Moore, um,

I love Back to Him, but a different Back to Him. Do you know the Selena Gomez Back to Him from the hit show 13 Reasons Why? No. I never watched that show. It is the most fantastic song I've ever heard in my entire life. Great. Love that. And then some Fiona Apple. I need to get into Fiona Apple. I'm only now getting into her. Like, I never really listened to her that much, but...

My intro track to her was Paper Bag. Right. And that's a good one. You should start with that one. Okay. Yeah. She has like the long titles, right? I think. Like one of the albums is like a really, really long title. Maybe. Speaking of long titles, do you listen to Lana Del Rey? I listen to her.

What is that album called? It's like blue and white cover. Norman fucking Rockwell? No, I listened to that one, but... Oh, Born to Die? Yes. I was obsessed with that album. That album is everything to me. I was obsessed in like middle school. I remember like thinking when that album came out, okay, like music critics really don't know what's good because I remember people slandering the Living Daylights out of that album. I did not see that. Oh, you didn't? When I was in middle school. I wasn't like searching up album reviews. Okay.

I was. I was not. I was just enjoying the music, buying it on iTunes. I remember. I was really tapped into pop culture. So I remember. Sorry, my feet are just like popping in your face. No.

I remember people really slandering it and now people will look back on it and be like, okay, we were wrong. This album is amazing. It's so good. It kind of like really helped shape pop for- Totally. I'm excited for her country album whenever that happens. Me too, September. Really? Yeah. Oh my God. I'm so pumped. I will be listening. I think she's going to crush country. I think so too. That's her vibe. Totally. I love country music too. Yeah. I'm getting into it more now. I just really got into it. Like-

I think because Beyonce did country. So it like brought me back into country. But like there's a few country artists that I really, really, really enjoy. And like I love Kelsey Ballerini. I really like this. Do you know who Tanner Adele is?

Yes. She was on Blackbird. She was on Blackbird, yeah. Yeah, she's actually, like, amazing. Like, her solo shit is, like, amazing. I'm gonna check her out. She has this one song, I forget what it's called, but she's teasing it on TikTok right now, and it's really good. I feel like I've maybe seen that. The whiskey one, something about whiskey. It's so good. She's amazing. Ugh, and I love Kacey Musgraves. I love Kacey Musgraves. Yeah. I love Kacey Musgraves so much. She's, like, my favorite. Oh, she's so good. Do you like her new album? Yeah. Lonely Millionaire is my favorite song. I...

My favorite one was, what was the prophecy? No, what was it? No, what the fuck? I haven't listened to it in a minute. Something about- That sounds right. Architect. Yes. The Architect. The Architect. That's my favorite one. That one. And I forget. Louise, what were the other ones we like to listen to is The Architect. Wow.

Oh, give her slash shaker. And then deeper. Well, like I just think it's such an anthem, like an anthem. And I know it's like super like calm, but like, oh my God. Anthems can be calm too. But like the idea of finding something deeper to care about than like what you originally cared about. Yeah. Sad in such like a poetic way. Whole life. The last three years. Oh, literally. Yeah. Oh my God. How old are you? 24. Okay. We're the same age. Yeah.

So we haven't had our Saturn return yet. No. I'm really dreading that. I'm scared. I'm seriously dreading that. Because I feel... Also, I mean, the planets are, like, doing crazy things right now and have been for a long time, and I've been feeling it. Yeah, I feel it, too. Like, I mean, I went through a breakup during the eclipse. It was, like, on the eclipse or something. I'm sure it was. And there was also a full moon during the eclipse. Oh, wow. And that just made me tired. And there was another full moon. There's, like... And then we're in retrograde. Like, what? Yeah.

It's a lot, yeah. It's a lot for the planets right now. But I feel like, at least for me, it's like, I feel like a whole chapter is closing in my life. And it feels like sad, but also like exciting. I think, yeah. I think, yeah. Because isn't there a cycle that has been happening since like 2021 that's ending now?

So like that's so above my pay grade in astrology. I think that is, I see a lot of astrology. No, I'm sure. I'm sure it is. I mean, yeah. A whole cycle's ending. I think that, I do remember reading about the full moon though, that like a chapter was closing and you're kind of reevaluating your life. I just remember feeling so tired and being like, it's dead ass the moon. Yeah. No, it is. I'm tired because of the moon. Yeah. Anyhow, I went on a date with a guy last weekend and he asked me to pick him up, then forgot his card. So I picked up the tab and,

and he told me he would Venmo me later, but never did. Oh, God. W-D-I-D, what did I do? Nothing, but please don't see him again. No, you did nothing. Yeah, I don't like that. That's on him. That's on him. That's a red flag right there. I think it's a major red flag. Like, come on. At least, like,

If you want to pay, totally do. Like, I don't like whatever, whoever wants to pay. I always think that some of the, everyone should offer on a date. Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? Like just to be polite, polite thing. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I remember, don't worry, I won't get into the date, but I went on this date once and I put my card down and date wasn't even a date, but I won't get into that. And, um, I put my card down and he said, thank you.

Thank you. Not even like, oh, I got it. Like, stop. I would have been like, no, of course, let me get it. But like, I'm with you, girl. That was bold of him. And he made you pick him up. Like, that's frustrating. I know. And then he said he was going to Venmo you and he never did. Like, that's just like not, that's like broke bitch behavior. Like, we're not doing that. I'm so sorry. Like, that's crazy.

We're not doing that. We're better than that. It's the triple threat of all of that. Yeah. If it was one of those things, maybe like, okay, but all three of them together. Pick me up, pay my tab, and then a false promise. Like that's three strikes, you're out. Yeah. Yep. I don't even know what to prescribe besides like unmatching him on Tinder. Yeah. Like we're done. We're done. Yep. That's crazy. Yeah. My ex-

Oh, my God. My ex-boyfriend became my stalker and I had to move because of it. What? Our mutual friends don't know and I'm not sure what to tell them, if anything. Dash Jake. Hi, Jake. I like your name. Oh. I'm so sorry that your ex-boyfriend became your stalker. I think you should probably tell your friends. I think you should definitely tell your friends. Like, just so they're aware, you know? Yeah. I mean, I...

I wonder why he's not. It's definitely a difficult thing to tell them that like, oh, your friend is stuck. Our mutual friend is stalking me, but I would definitely tell them because like his behavior needs to be in check. Totally. Because like stalking is not. Okay. Let's go to the next one. Whoa. You're not even going to prescribe anything. We just need to move on. Whoa.

I'm a freshman in college. Okay, we can both relate to this. Yes, we both were freshmen in college at one point. And my best friend is transferring. I feel like I don't have a lot of other close friends and I'm worried about next year because we would hang out all the time. I mean, I relate to not having people in college and also just in life, like friends. I feel like the best thing that you can do is just...

I mean, obviously keep in touch with them. Right. But also, like, make an effort to just go out like once a week. Yeah. Just not even like... You don't have to go out to like a bar or anything. Just go to an event. Go to something that is happening where there are other people. And just really put yourself out there. It's terrifying. It's so terrifying. I hate making friends. Yeah. It's really scary. But...

I feel like if you do it, good things will come. 100%. And also a lot of the time with friends, like, if you put yourself out there, I need to take my own advice in terms of relationships for what I'm about to say. But if you put yourself out there, like, friends, like, they come to you. Yeah. Like, you, like, find yourself with people. But, like, I can't even imagine, like, I always...

I remember like that, that was such a thing. My freshman year, like my best friends, one of us every other week would be like, we're transferring. Me too. I was like, I'm going to leave actually. And then my other friends would be like, no. And then we'd be like, no. And we'd freak out. But like at the end of the day, like you're, you're a freshman in college, you're

group shifts your friends shift everything shifts over the course of those four years like you would not believe there were some people I met senior year some people I met junior year end of junior year sophomore year yeah COVID happened you have no idea what's gonna happen you have three years left enjoy them it's gonna be great you're gonna meet so many people that you don't even you don't even know you're gonna meet yet yeah and isn't that beautiful

And for that, I'm going to prescribe... Sex Lives of College Girls. Sex Lives of College Girls is a great prescription. Is that... Yes! Period!

Thank you. That's a great prescription. And we'll leave it at that. Watch Sex, Lives of College Girls. That's an amazing prescription. And you performed with Renee, right? Yeah. You did for good? Yeah. Yes. Chills. I love Wicked. It was so great. She's amazing. She's amazing. I mean, her... I don't even get me started on her voice. No, it's heavenly. Yeah. It's heavenly. Like, sometimes we'll, like, be together. We were together on a night out. It was, like, me, her, and Julia or something. And she, like, hummed a song or something. And Julia looked at her and goes, girl...

Like I'm gonna hit the floor like you don't understand the effect your voice has on me Like it was so funny because Renee was just like possibly singing but like it sounded angelic. Yeah, you know what I mean? Was it fun performing with her? Yeah. Oh my god. It was yeah, and I love theater. I'm a theater girl. You are what's your favorite play? Oh my god, so many I love like I love like the kind of Niche musicals that like no one really seems to know when I mention them. It's a show called next to normal that I love and

I mean, Wicked is just the best. Iconic.

And my childhood. I listened to that growing up. But yeah, I'm a huge theater kid. I used to be a really big theater kid. I would go with my mom. I do love a good play though. Like The Glass Menagerie. Oh yes. Oh my God. Yeah. Wow. That was like, always made me feel smart as a kid. So I was always like, I love The Glass Menagerie. Yeah. Because everyone would be like, what? Everyone's like, oh my God, what? Didn't we have to read that first school? You're so smart. And I'm like, yeah, like it's just like the way they like handle relationships. Like I just, you know, my friends would be like, sure.

Who wrote that? Tennessee Williams. I'm pretty sure it was Tennessee Williams, right? I think so, yeah. He also did Streetcar Named Desire. Like, no, like, I'm a playwright. Yeah. Like, I'm no one. I saw my ex out and we talked for a bit and now I can't stop thinking about him and that interaction. Should I reach out to him? He is currently in a relationship with someone else. Dash Tay. Hi, Tay. I'm going to leave this to you. I feel like if he's in a relationship with someone else, like, probably don't reach out.

Just because, like, you want to respect them, you know? And if the conversation was good and everything went well and there's no, like, bad blood, like, definitely I wouldn't want to jeopardize that by reaching out to him while he's in another relationship. 100%. But it sucks. It does suck. I'm sure. I mean, I wouldn't know, but yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know specifically because he's not dating anyone new yet. We just broke up, like, three weeks ago. But, um...

Yeah, it sucks to like see them out and then have a good conversation and remember what the relationship was like and then have to let it go again. I have never been in a relationship, so I can't relate to that. But I can relate to that on a friend level. Like I've had friendship breakups and that pain is horrible. Those are hard. Yeah, those are. I mean, I would say arguably worse, but I don't know what a relationship breakup is like. So which one would you say is worse? Have you been through both? Yes. Yeah.

Honestly, like they're bad in different ways. I think like a romantic relationship breakup is hard because like, I mean, I think they're both hard because they're both like when you're in a relationship, it's like they're your best friend. Right. And then you break up and then they're not anymore. And it's the same with the friend. It's like it's all hard.

Gosh, I just hate, I mean, oh my God, I hate the feeling of friendship breakups. It's, oh my God. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did we even prescribe anything to her? Oh. Okay, so she saw her ex. We can brainstorm for a second. There's so many songs like this. Obviously, the go-to is Thank You Next by Ariana Grande. Yeah, but I feel like she's feeling sad about it. No, she's, oh, she is. Yeah, and sometimes when you're sad. Like, she can't stop thinking about him, you know? What about Thinking About You by Ariana Grande? Yeah.

Oh, I thought you were going to say Frank Ocean. Or that. Or just any song that's titled Thinking About You. Yeah, by either Ariana Grande or Frank Ocean. Those are our two prescriptions. That should tell you about who we are. I love Ariana Grande. She was my top artist for four years in a row. Are you serious? Girl, let's talk about Ari. I love Ariana Grande. Me too. What's your favorite Ari song? Oh, my God. Well...

The whole like thank you next era was when I was in college and it was like really formative. Were we both freshmen? We were freshmen when that came out or were you a sophomore? I don't know grade. I think I was a freshman. Yeah. Yeah. So like break up with your girlfriend. I love that song. Fake smile. Yes. I love fake smile. NASA. NASA. I was just about to say NASA.

But then like Sweetener, I don't know. I loved, I loved Sweetener. I like Pete Davidson. Yeah. I love that song. It's a good one. That song is so good. It's a good one. I honestly listened to it for the first time in a while and I was like, this song is amazing. Yeah, it's amazing. Ari is unmatched. I know. Like she's really so good. I love her. I know Turtle Sunshine. Supernatural, I love that song. Supernatural. Imperfect for you. We Can't Be Friends. Oh, Imperfect for You. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm like after this interview like I'm gonna listen to We Can't Be Friends again. It's my favorite. It's one of my favorite pop songs I've ever heard. She's just like I don't know. She'll always do it for me. She'll always do it for me. And that's what I was like you know people like always try to tear her down. Like she's been through so much but like. The music is good. She has a one of a kind voice. Yeah. She works with Max Martin. I love that she was on Broadway. I love that she started on Broadway. She did. She did. She did 13 right? Yeah she did with Liz. By Jason Robert Brown.

No way. She did with Liz Gillies too, right? I love Ari. Me too. Yeah. Well, that's our Ari tangent. Why do I always think everyone is living and having a better life than me? I feel the same way. I always feel that way too. I mean, I think we all feel that way, right? At least at some point. It's just like... I feel like it has a lot to do with social media and it's just a highlight reel. Yeah. And...

No one ever knows like what's actually going on in their life. So it might look like they're having the time of their life, but they might not be. Right. And like, I feel like, I mean, I feel like I wrote that question, but like, I feel like the only thing that will make you feel better is like,

Just, I mean, that's going to sound so stupid, but really being present. Totally. Like, I think being present is so important, which I need to work on. Being grateful for the people in your life and the things that you get to do. You know, just like living in the moment. Yeah. Maybe like taking a social media break. Totally. I really think it'll do wonders. I would never personally just because I am addicted, but like for you, I recommend it. Yes. Have you ever taken a social media break? I've tried, you know, a couple times. That doesn't work. But it's just, I mean-

You know, it's our job, kind of. Yeah, it is. So it's kind of hard to not be posting. And I could have people post for me, but I like to be in control, you know? Yeah, and also, like, you want it to come from you. Yeah. The music's by you. You want to tell people about it from you. Yeah. It makes sense. But I do. I take breaks from TikTok all the time. Yeah. I don't think I've ever done that. I need to. Oh.

My best friend's boyfriend and I do not like each other. He sucks so bad, but I do try so hard to get along with him for her. He's still so rude to me and I do not see them breaking up anytime soon. I like honestly, like if you love your best friend. I think you just have to be supportive. Yeah, you kind of just do. Like they're going to realize when they're going to realize like you can't you can't really push them to anything. They have to come to it themselves, you know? Yeah.

But, yeah, you just kind of got to love them. Love them through it. Yeah. Love them through it. Love them through it. That's a great, great, it's true because you don't want to lose that best friend. Yeah, I know. I'm sure they mean too much to you. Yeah. And for that, I'm going to prescribe Girls on HBO. Because, like, I would say that, like, in it, like, they're not all enjoying each other's partners. And, like, sometimes it drives a wedge between them and, like, it shouldn't. And, like, just, you know, it's a good way to observe friendship. Yeah.

Not like they don't aren't the best friends to each other, but like just watch it and like take notes from it on like what to do and what not to do. And I just think that, you know, it's your best friend. Like if he's actually rude to you. Yeah. And your best friend's not being like stop. That's another issue in and of itself. But if you just don't like him, then, you know, that's where your best friend to decide whether she wants to date him or not. Yeah. Our final one. Oh, the other one. I was like, I relate too hard. Yeah.

I genuinely never want to get out of bed. It's become a disease with how badly I love laying. Any advice or ideas for possible career passions, please? I feel this. Yeah. I love laying. Me too. But you can like write laying down. Yeah. You can do a lot of things laying down. Like what else? Like you can sing laying down. You could technically eat if you wanted to laying down. Not the best. I wouldn't do that. Yeah.

I feel like that's. Sorry, that was a bad one. I mean, you can be on your computer. You know what I think? And you can do a lot of things on your computer. I think this person should. She said career advice. Become a singer songwriter. Right. Start writing. Because all I do is sit on my bed and write songs. Yeah, exactly. You don't have to leave the bed. Your dream career right here. And then like maybe they just won't tour it. Yeah. Because they don't want to leave the bed. Right. But you can do a virtual Zoom tour. Yeah. Yeah.

Or you could just be a mysterious artist and never tour. Yes. I honestly love that. I can't think of the person's name right now. It was... But he... Whatever. Anywho. Lizzie, what did we learn today? I don't know. What did we learn? We learned that... We needed to... We learned that this room is fucking hot as anything. And it's smaller than I thought it would be. I learned that. That this room is smaller? Yeah. I learned that...

You re-recorded your entire older album in two weeks after you had already finished it. And I also learned that you write a lot laying down. And I also learned that it's important to love your friends through a bad relationship. Yes. And that's what I think I learned.

Well, Lizzie, thank you so much for being here. Stream Lizzie's new album, Older, and see her on tour at a city near you. She's fucking amazing. You won't regret it. I love you, pussies. And I love you, Lizzie. Thank you for having me. Hi, pussies. Put your tents up. Put your tents up, tents up. Smart cookies.