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Session 24: Ed Sheeran

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Jake Shane: 本期节目邀请到了Ed Sheeran,并进行了第一次上门拜访式的采访,内容涵盖了Ed Sheeran的音乐创作、生活经历以及他对一些社会现象的看法。Jake Shane分享了他参加Zach Bryan演唱会并上台合唱的经历,以及对现场音乐的热爱。他还推广了本期节目的赞助商SeatGeek。 Ed Sheeran: Ed Sheeran分享了他喜欢在美国演出的原因,以及他对美国不同城市的看法,包括对波士顿凯尔特人队的喜爱以及在纳什维尔居住的经历。他详细讲述了他创作专辑《X》的地点和感受,以及他更喜欢在不同寻常的地方创作音乐,而不是传统的录音室。他还讨论了星座和各自的性格特点,以及对外出活动的偏好。他分享了他最喜欢的伦敦夜生活方式,以及他成长经历和居住过的不同地方,包括对英国旅游和苏格兰高地地区的看法,以及对电影《一天》和苏格兰爱丁堡的评价。他还讨论了在意大利和法国的经历,以及对意大利菜和融合菜的看法,以及对不同菜肴的看法,特别是对蛋的烹饪方式的偏好。他吐槽了美国运输安全管理局(TSA)的检查流程的不一致性,并谈论了他对家乡足球队的热爱以及对球队教练的担忧。他还分享了他减肥的经验和方法,以及对社交媒体的看法以及如何处理负面评价。他讨论了他创作歌曲的理念以及音乐创作的原创性问题,以及他的一些音乐创作灵感来源,并提到了与Max Martin合作的经历。他还分享了他与Max Martin合作的趣事,以及对Mutt Lange的评价。他讨论了艺术家是否应该在意大众对作品的评价,以及他创作歌曲的理念以及音乐创作的原创性问题。 Ed Sheeran: Ed Sheeran还分享了他对一些社会现象的看法,例如他对美国运输安全管理局(TSA)的检查流程的不一致性,以及他对家乡足球队的热爱以及对球队教练的担忧。他还讨论了坚持梦想的重要性以及在漫长过程中获得成就感的体会,以及他职业生涯中一些关键的转折点。他回忆了他早期歌曲《A-Team》的成功以及它带来的影响,并谈论了他对社交媒体的看法以及如何处理负面评价。他还讨论了他认为的最佳出道歌曲,以及Olivia Rodrigo的专辑《Sour》以及他自己专辑创作理念的变化。他讨论了艺术家是否应该在意大众对作品的评价,以及他创作歌曲的理念以及音乐创作的原创性问题。他还分享了他对一些社会现象的看法,例如他对美国运输安全管理局(TSA)的检查流程的不一致性,以及他对家乡足球队的热爱以及对球队教练的担忧。他还讨论了坚持梦想的重要性以及在漫长过程中获得成就感的体会,以及他职业生涯中一些关键的转折点。他回忆了他早期歌曲《A-Team》的成功以及它带来的影响,并谈论了他对社交媒体的看法以及如何处理负面评价。他还讨论了他认为的最佳出道歌曲,以及Olivia Rodrigo的专辑《Sour》以及他自己专辑创作理念的变化。他讨论了艺术家是否应该在意大众对作品的评价,以及他创作歌曲的理念以及音乐创作的原创性问题。

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Hi pussies and welcome back to Therapus. It is now Wednesday, so I have fully recovered from my Sunday night, which was spent at the Zach Bryan show. Shout out Brianna. I love you more than anything in the entire world. Thank you for setting all of that up and I

bringing me on stage with him. I went with Tate. It was our little date night. Halfway, and we were just, you know, we were dancing, we were singing, and halfway through the show, Brianna was like, do you want to sing Revival? And I was like, no. I was like, I don't think I can do that. I'm like a little too, I'm a little too anxious to do that. But then Josh's girlfriend, who I fucking adore, Gabby, was like, you can't.

to do it. Like, please, please, please do it. You have to do it. And Brett was also in the audience with her boyfriend and I texted Brett and I was like, do I do this? And she's like, you absolutely have to fucking do this. And then her sweet boyfriend texted me, you got this, like, go up and do it. Like, you can do it. I know you can. And I was like, okay.

I'm going to do this. I am going to do this. So then he basically, Zach does his final song of the set list, final song. Cause then he does his, um, what is it? Encore. Um, he does quit in time and then it happens really, really, really fast. Brianna was like, okay, follow me. And then you walk back.

He comes back out for revival. You follow him back out. You wait. And then you go up and she's like, go, like, go sing. And you're like, what? And he, she's like, go sing. And then, so like, I don't know if there's, there's probably a video of me looking back and being like, what do you want? What am I supposed to do? And then he, like Zach is just the like nicest person literally ever. And like gave me a look like, come on, like,

While he's like performing to like a sold out fucking show. And we sang revival together with, and it was like literally the coolest moment of my life. I remember being like, okay, like I've peaked. This is definitely the coolest. So Brianna, thank you for pushing me to do that. And thank you for inviting me on stage. I love you guys. And by the way, I would just like to say that I think people forget sometimes how important like the team behind someone is.

And Zach's team was so incredible and so nice. So I just needed to shout them out. Specifically, Jay, I fucking love you, Jay. You made my night. You were incredible. Thank you for everything. Thank you, Brianna. Thank you, Zach. Thank you, everyone. It was literally incredible.

Like the most surreal best night of my life. And speaking of concerts, once again, this episode of Therapist is sponsored by SeatGeek. Thank you, SeatGeek. Use my code THERAPIST10 for 10% off your entire order. You can see any concert you want to go to. And there are so many incredible artists on tour. We have Chapel Roan. We have Zach Bryan, Noah Khan, Taylor Swift, of course, Tate McRae, who if you have not seen live, I love.

I could not recommend it higher. She puts on the best show ever. So please, you must see the Think Later tour live. But that's just...

That's I could go on about that forever, but please use my code therapist 10 for 10% off your purchase at cgeek.com and go see a live show with your friend. There is nothing, nothing, nothing more important than this world than live shows and live music. And I will stand by that until the day I die. It is just such a pure form of connection that you can't really find elsewhere in this modern day and age with all this technology. There's something to be said for seeing something live.

Okay. Thank you, SeatGeek, for sponsoring this episode. Now for today's episode, we have – I actually can't believe I'm saying this. We have Ed Sheeran on. He is the first patient I have made a house call to. My journey to this house call was treacherous. I had a 24-hour travel day, but I was like, you know what? Ed Sheeran needs a house call for therapists.

I'm going to fucking show up for the house call. And we had the best time. We were supposed to speak for like,

Like 50 minutes and we ended up speaking For like an hour and 40 minutes And like he is just The most down to earth Nicest guy which is crazy Because he's one of the biggest artists in the world And I'm really excited for you guys to hear it Because he's also really fucking funny And we talked a lot about music And sports which I just pretended to know about Because obviously I don't know anything about sports And yeah I'm really excited for you guys to hear it Okay enjoy the episode Love you pussies

Hi pussies, welcome back to their- What a way to start. Of course! Of course! Of course!

Well, welcome back to Therapus and welcome Ed Sheeran to Therapus. Hey, Ed. Oh, that was the best intro ever. I love that. Oh, of course. They're the pussies. Say hi to the pussies. Hey, pussies. What's going on? Well, this is, this is, I want you to know, this is my first house call. Wicked. Well, thank you. For you. Thank you. Of course, we are in Boston right now. Ed is headlining Boston Call-In. Yeah. You just got off of your 10 year anniversary of X-Shows. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I actually, do you know, I,

I haven't really done festivals in like a long time. I've done like the odd thing here and there, but it's nice to kind of come to... What I found, I hadn't been in America for gigs until the tour last year for, I don't know, five or six years. And I found being back in America, how...

exciting it is. And I was like, I just need to, like, in between European tour dates or whatever, just always make sure I'm just coming back to America to do stuff. And festivals are a great way to do that. I feel like you're the first person I've ever met from Europe that said that they wanted to be in America by choice. I...

I don't know I feel like America controls so much of the cultural conversation of the world I think yeah you know England England is a great place to exist and live and create music and be inspired but I feel like to be part of any conversation you've got to be

you gotta be here you know i mean yeah i love america i love it and i'd make i get to go to basketball games in american football yeah you were at basketball game with renee rap last night yeah how was that great i kind of i'd never i'd only ever been to two basketball games before one one was a celtics knicks game and one was a knicks someone else okay um so i haven't really like found a team and then yesterday i was like i saw all this green around and all these sort of like irish symbols and i was like well i guess yeah i guess i'm a celtics fan now yeah but yeah i was sitting there and

And I didn't really know what was going on. And yeah, Renee was like, okay, if you shoot from here, it's a three. If you shoot from here, it's a two. If they foul and then they get another one, then it's one. So she was explaining. Yeah. So I feel like I know now. Yeah. I don't know anything about basketball either. I feel like maybe the Celtics are like,

Because they're a really, really good team that win all the time that maybe it was quite an obvious choice for me to be like, I'm a fan. I don't want to be like the guy that's... That's the easiest though. Why would you root for someone that loses? Because I like Tennessee Titans. I like their... The who? The Tennessee Titans. I started rooting for them when they weren't doing that well because I lived in Nashville. And now they're starting to do quite well. It feels like, you know, I've been with them for... You lived in Nashville? Yeah, I've lived in Nashville twice for a year each time. You like it? Yeah.

I love it. I love it. Yeah, I feel like as a city now, it's become a proper tourist destination. And I feel like I lived in it at the point where it was just turning into that. So it was more of a homely atmosphere, I guess. But I mean, it still is homely on the, just not in the, the centre's crazy now. Yeah, I'm sure. You've been there in the last few years. I've never been.

The strip is crazy. I want to go. I've never been to Texas. I've never been to Nashville, which all blend together in my mind, by the way. Quite different. I know. I know. But Nashville's like, as a country music fan, it's an amazing place.

melting pot yeah you know it's great when did you live there i lived there in 2013 and 2018 got it yeah so did you write the x album in nashville uh most of it yeah i did some in i did some in new york i did some in nashville i did some in los angeles and um like the last bits of it like thinking out loud and i'm a mess were in uh england wait so what what where's your favorite place to write

So I have a theory that instruments and rooms have songs in them. And I find that really good recording studios that have had lots of history in them actually have no songs in them. Because, say, Abbey Road. The Beatles took all the great songs out of Abbey Road, you know? There's a studio in LA called Conway. There's loads of great songs that have been taken out of that place. So I like...

taking a mobile studio, renting random houses and making music in those. And I find that that has always worked. And I find myself, it's quite difficult to get inspired in music

a classic studio but it's quite easy to get inspired if you like rent a farm in the middle of nowhere right there's never had a music studio in it before and create music for like two weeks and then move out do you think that's because you're like sitting there and you're like thinking about all the stuff it's like when you're like hooking up with your partner and you're like thinking about all the people they've been with before

I actually haven't done that. Yeah, that isn't like something that jumps into my mind. That's just where my brain went. So when you're intimate, you're just thinking about... Well, I'm never intimate, but I'm just saying like in general, you know, like, you know, like you're in a space that everyone's been in before and you're like, I don't want to be here. Like, how am I going to make something as good? I think you just got to, you know, do your best. When's your birthday, Ed? 17th of February. Aquarius? Yeah, Aquarius. When's yours?

Do you like know anything about star signs? I, I, I'm, I'm not like my, my, my uncle is a, um, astrologer. So he like, he says a lot of stuff to me that is a lot, very spot on about like my kids and my wife or me and stuff that relates to my life. But like, I've never been someone who's like, because I'm Aquarius, therefore I'm going to be compatible with this, but I'm just usually just either compatible with someone or not compatible with them. Right. Friendship or relationship. but,

As I said, my uncle being an astrologist, he's said a lot of things that have happened and have been spot on. So I believe in it, but not to a point where if suddenly you were like, well, I'm this and it's incompatible with Aquarius, I wouldn't be like, well, we're not going to get on. Right. Of course, I would. But my thing, I'm a Scorpio. I'm a Scorpio. Aquarius are so fun. You like to go out? Yeah. Yeah. I like to go in as well. Really? Yeah. I like to like...

I feel like you should be able to have fun wherever you are. That's Aquarius. I feel like we would have, like, you could go to a club, but also we could stay here, put on loads of music, and get fucked up. That's, like, the opposite of me. That's fascinating. I'm, like, needing to go somewhere. Or else I'm just, like, high in bed and I need to go to bed.

So I think when you are somewhere, though, that's a good vibe. Do you care if I take off my shoes? No, it's fine. It's so uncomfortable. Should I take off mine? Yeah. Your shoes are really cute, though. I've just done a show, though. I don't know if my feet smell, so I'm going to keep them on. No, it's okay. You can take them off. I'm going to keep them on. You never know, you know? You never know. I've just been on stage, and not like a couple of days ago, I wore these, and like, you know. Are those custom to your album? They are. Where did you get these? I got made them by a company called Canvas, and they...

they like, they made them for the show and I just really like them. They're gorgeous. Thank you. Is green your favorite color? It is today. We're in Boston. Boston green. No, my favorite color is probably blue. Me too. Me too. So we are compatible. We are compatible. I love Aquarius. I never said I didn't. So,

So anyway, going back to the having to go out, I think that once you find, this is like my pet peeve about going out, is people always want to go to the next place if you're having fun at somewhere. And often the vibe dies in the car. Especially in LA, everything's like an hour drive away. So you're having fun either at the house party or the bar, and you're like, let's go to the club. And then you're in a car for an hour, and then the vibe's gone, you get to the club, no one talks, bit of shit, you go home. LA's the worst place to go out.

What's your favorite place to go out? London's pretty fun.

I don't really go... As I said, I would kind of go in in London. So my favourite thing to do in London is find a good pub that would like... They do these things called lock-ins. So if you're drinking late and you know the people who run the pub, they'll then, as they clean up the pub, they lock the doors and you can just stay in and drink until they've cleared up and then you get to go. But there's a pub in London that on a Tuesday they do a traditional Irish folk jam and they just lock it all off.

And then you sit down and you will sing folk songs and then leave at like two o'clock in the morning. That's like my favorite thing to do. That's like my dream. We should come. Um, I will next in London. Like literally you tell me like, I will literally come whenever. No, but if it,

If I'm not there, I'll just say, because I know the guys that run the place. So I'll just say, I've got a friend coming in. Can you watch the folk jam? Okay, that sounds amazing. Because it's like an if you know, you know type thing. Right, right, right. They have a pub out the front, which is very busy. But out the back, they have the jams. That sounds amazing. Wait, so you're from London, right?

I'm actually from, so I was born. You were born in London. I was born in Yorkshire, which is like up north. So nearish, if you know about football, it's near-ish Manchester United. Like we're not, I'm not from Manchester, but I was born near Manchester, a place called Halifax. And then I moved to Ipswich, which is on the east of England, which is kind of the equivalent of here or like Rhode Island or Maine or something like that. Like it's not like a major city.

or city in terms of New York or LA, but it's like, people know it. So I moved there, I lived there, well, I still live there, but I moved there when I was like four. And then I lived in London for a little bit from 17, and then I moved to the States for a bit, and then I moved back to England. You've been around the block? Been around the block, yeah. I've never really felt at home anywhere other than Suffolk, which is where Ipswich is. As I said, I lived in New York all of last year, and it felt...

amazing to be immersed in the culture of America and New York and stuff. But there is always a part of me that misses the countryside. Okay. Yeah. I want to go to the countryside of England so bad. Well, that's the thing that I'll say about England is like the tourism of England. I feel like people come and they do London and they go and see Buckingham Palace and they go and, you know, do whatever, have a Sunday roast in a pub. But that's like,

an English person doing tourism in America and just going to New York. America is huge and it has all the amazing national parks and all these great cities with their own sort of cultural differences. And it's the same in England. If you were to get a train to Birmingham for the day or a train to Manchester for the day or Newcastle or Liverpool or even go United Kingdom and go to Wales, there's some places that would blow your mind that aren't just the city with Big Ben in.

I know. I remember you, because I saw you at, I forget where you played in LA. You did your latest album. What? It was The Shrine. It was The Shrine. I saw your show at The Shrine. And you spoke about this town or something. And you drink at a bar and then hop in the cold lake. Do you remember this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where is that? That's in Scotland. I need to go there. That's in Scotland. I left there and I was like, that is my dream. So that's where...

Yeah, that's like the Highlands. So it's about... You know, like everywhere actually is not that far on the train in England. We'd have quite a good train system. It's like... It's getting like really expensive. It's actually cheaper to fly places than it is to get the train. But if you want to see the country...

the country, like get a train up to Edinburgh and then you could get a train into the Highlands and you would see everything. It is like a really nice. Oh, I want to go to Edinburgh because have you seen one day? Yeah, of course. Yeah. Have you actually? Yes, of course. What do you think? I love it. It's amazing. I cried. I was in the recent one day. Yes. Oh, you saw the Anne Hathaway one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I haven't seen the recent one. The recent one's amazing because they study at Edinburgh and then, am I pronouncing that right? Edinburgh, so it's Bar,

Edinburgh. So you, it said it spelt borough, but you would say Edinburgh. Right. Like when I was in, when I was in France, I kept saying bonjour. And then everyone was like, that's not like how you say it.

At least you're trying, though. I am trying. Thank you. I always think when I go to... I lived in Italy for most of lockdown, and no one in the village that I lived spoke English. And so I was like, well, I guess I have to learn Italian. And then as I was learning Italian, I was like, English people are so obnoxious, because usually we would just go to other countries and just talk loudly if we want people to understand us. And I was like, imagine you're in Holborn.

Whole Foods and there's just someone from another country screaming in their language at the person serving and you're just like well right you know that's us yeah that is us everywhere unfortunately I was actually thinking about that the other day because I was like hi in France and I was like that's not right I mean right like did you enjoy France what did you enjoy France yeah I loved it yeah can I say something about Italy though because I was also just in Italy and I need you to keep it real with me the Italian food in Italy is not it

Okay, so I'm not going to offend my Italian friends. I love my Italian friends. So this is why... I personally prefer the blend of Italian-American food. Me too. And I personally prefer the blend of Mexican-American food, Japanese-American food. Well...

The traditional, traditional, traditional sushi that you get in Japan, I think, is unbeaten. But I love, there's like blends that they do in California of like sushi rolls that, they're just interesting. I just like, you know. But yeah, I'm with you. I do like traditional Italian food when I'm there. I feel like this is going to like kick off in the comments. But I feel like, you know, Italians in, whenever people emigrated over here,

then would live in boroughs of like pizza in Brooklyn. I think so. Yes. It's because the tap water and then, no, and then the, the,

The kind of... Yeah, I guess the tap water and the sauce they use. They would use spices. They might be living next to someone from a different country that uses different spices, and they use that. And I think that that's why American food... American... Americanized? Americanized. Well, not even American. Because it's still like...

It's still traditional, but it's just got hints of, I think because America is full of, it's built on immigration. Right. So people are all like, there's people from many different cultures living in the same area and they're taking little bits from every, like I went to a Italian Japanese restaurant in. Oh, that sounds incorrect. I'm just going to be honest with you. It was wicked. Really? It was wicked. Yeah. Italian Japanese? Yeah. Two of the best cuisines on the planet. Yeah.

Let's go. Like a pasta sushi roll? No, it wasn't so much that. It was like teriyaki pizza. I'll throw up right now. I'll throw up right now. I'm sorry. This comment section is going to be very, very... No, but the thing is... Have you seen the... Who's the... There's like a couple on the internet. It's like an Italian boyfriend and an American. And he like breaks the pasta and she goes crazy or the other way around. Have you seen that? No. Anyway. Yeah.

it's like a couple one of them is Italian and one of them is either American or English and they're making like big faux pas cooking like getting spaghetti and breaking it in half to cook it look the only reason I got bugged out by the teriyaki pizza is because one time I had a teriyaki omelette oh my god I'm actually going to start throwing up thinking about it and it was that doesn't sound great does teriyaki pizza sound any better?

Yeah. Okay. I think omelettes are a very delicate thing. I think you can't fuck with omelettes too much. It was seriously like, I have shivers thinking about it. The worst meal. But that's the thing, like the texture of eggs, like actually, the texture of eggs actually can be like really gross if it's not done correctly. Disgusting. My dad used to make me eggs every morning before school. He was so fucking bad at it. I'm so sorry. And I...

I can only eat eggs from a diner now. Right. I'm going to throw up. Seriously, think about it. I'm very particular with eggs. How do you like them cooked? And that's the last question I'll ask about eggs. If I'm out of the house, I'll usually have poached because that's like you can't really get grim poached eggs. But if I'm in the house, I do scrambled. You don't do hard boiled, do you?

My kids do hard boiled eggs. No! That's like the easiest snack for a kid. You just stick an egg in. We've got chickens at our house, so you just go and pick up the eggs, boil the eggs, take the shell off, and they can just sit there. You literally have a hard boiled egg fresh out the chicken. Yeah. Okay. Well, Ed, what are you therapist about today? If you need inspiration, I can start. Yeah, hit me. Okay. What am I therapist about?

Mm hmm. I don't really like how I constantly have to show my passport every step of the way when I'm traveling out of the country. It's like I have it. I promise. TSA. Yeah, I hate TSA. TSA. Like and what I want. I just want a bit of consistency. Yeah. I want like a

Okay, everyone, every time you take your shoes off, no lighters in your bag. You always have to take your laptop out. And that's just the blanket rule. And you are always going to get searched when you go through and that's it. But like sometimes I go...

And it's like, no, you can keep your shoes on, keep your laptop in your bag, do this. And then sometimes I got given, when I was making Multiplier, I got given an engraved Zippo lighter from Johnny, who I'd made it with, with the lyrics of Photograph on. And I was flying, thank you, I was flying from, I think, LA to Nashville to then get my stuff and then fly home. And it had no...

uh light fluid in it was brand new in the box and it was like you know he'd given it to me for my birthday and blah blah blah blah and uh yeah it went through the scanner and they just took it and threw it in the bin oh that's horrible yeah and and i was like but it doesn't have any fluid in it like you you can't anyway it was weird it's but yeah tsa you weren't like i'm ed sheeran what do you think i'm gonna do like no oh mate there was another time where i'd flown with um

I really like Napa wine and I had a really nice bottle of Napa wine in my rucksack and I'd forgotten to take it out and they took it out and they were like, look, you can't have this. And I was like, please do me a favor. Just take that home and drink it with your partner. And...

He just put it in the bin in front of me. I was like, it's a really nice bottle of wine. Just take it and drink it with your partner. And he just looked at me and just put it in the bin. But anyway, yeah. There's obviously really nice people that work for TSA and just sometimes you have a bad experience. Yeah, I have bad experiences quite frequently. You don't have pre-check? Every now and then, yeah. Every now and then. You got to make sure you have it all the time. We do pre-check for like... I know the people at the New York...

So we get like... Yeah, it's a guy that runs the car company that we use. He used to be NYPD and he's just got the hookups. But yeah, not everywhere. Okay, well, so what are you pissed about? What am I pissed about? Oh, yeah.

my football team who okay who have had 22 years of not being very good it's not like in America in America you just have a league if you're bad whatever if you're bad in England you get dropped down to a lower league it's less money not on television and if you're bad you get dropped down to a lower league and then it's just like that it sends clubs into like spirals of bankruptcy so we were in a

a really low league not on television and then we got this amazing manager who then took us into the next league which is sort of on television and then that amazing manager has now taken us into the Premier League and we're now back on top as a football club

there's rumors that Chelsea or Man United are going to poach him. Oh, that's horrible. So I'm a bit pissed about that. Okay, well, tell them that you don't want them to do that. Mate, it's his career. He's a great coach. And they will obviously pay him more than Ipswich. But I would just love one season in the Premier League with an amazing manager who knows the team and can... I want the best crack at the...

the the season i wish you could see my brain trying to follow this right now wait so did you ever play sports growing up i i mean yeah a bit i played football a bit uh growing up but i was very much like the only thing i was good at was music so that's sort of what i focused on i didn't really uh none of my spare time was used when i was like 10 i played for a football team but as soon as i picked up with the guitar i was like i'm not doing anything else other than

Other than music, including schoolwork. I was just like, I, I was like, I don't need to do my exams because my exams will not help me become, all I need to do is write songs, perform, write songs, perform. And I was very sort of clear. Um, my parents thought that I was like, not gonna, uh,

they were like you need something to fall back on and I was like why would I need something to fall back on I am going to be a singer oh honestly that's the attitude I mean now look at you you're a singer this is what I say I go and do talks in schools all the time to like music students and I'm like if you have a plan A and no plan B then it will work like the moment you have a plan B um you

You then have something to like fall back on it when the going gets tough. You'll go, I'll just do this. But like the hardest days of my career in the early days were the days where I was like, you know, all my friends were starting to go to university. They were getting jobs. They like lived in.

They lived in places, you know, I was there just like slogging, slogging, slogging, looking at missing all the parties, not doing anything, being like, why am I doing this? And always like coming back to the point of being like, well, what else would I be doing? And then eventually it works. And those hard times actually led to the good times. And I think you have to have the hard times for it to feel like you deserve it. I think like, I don't, I don't feel like I have imposter syndrome because I, I,

I've been on the journey. Does that make sense? Yes. No, that makes a hundred. That makes total sense. It's because when stuff happens really fast, then you have imposter syndrome, but if it's a slow burn, then you're like, okay, like I know I deserve this. Cause I know what I've done here. And, and when you're on, you get on stage for the first time and,

10 people have bought tickets to your gig, you're so fucking grateful. And it's not like you don't see the 200 people that haven't bought tickets. You see the 10 and the empty room behind it doesn't exist because you go, I'm just so grateful that like people have turned up. Whereas I think if I'd gone in here and you start doing those, I don't know, I think you'd feel a bit more different. No, a hundred percent. Was there a moment that you're like, not, not like an, I made it moment, but like, okay, this is going to work.

Honestly, it was the first paycheck that I got from music and it wasn't anything big. It was I played a wedding and I didn't even play my songs. I played for two hours at a wedding and I just played covers and I got paid 200 pounds, which to me at the time, that was pretty much my rent for the month. And I remember just being like, oh, I can make a living out of music. And it wasn't like a...

I'm rich it was just like oh if I do this every week that's my living done like and I could this can be my job because everyone would always say get a real job and then that was the proof that you could actually make a living like if all I'd need to do is just play weddings and play covers and and do that so that was like my first I've made it moment I guess

And then I guess the next I've made at moment would be the first gig that someone who you don't know buys a ticket to your show. Because I would always get my friends to come to gigs. So the moment you have people that are just coming of their own accord, I was like, oh, this is really working. So what was the first song for you that worked? Was it the A-Team? Yeah, the A-Team, yeah. I remember when it was the iTunes Song of the Week. Someone came up to me yesterday. I was in the Boston Children's Hospital and I did sort of a meet and greet afterwards in their...

one of the doctors came up to me and was like oh yeah I remember when it was the song of the week and I totally forgot that iTunes they used to do that but that was like I remember getting that and being like yes it worked because it just goes out to like half a million people it worked I downloaded it

Yeah. Come on. And now it's the first song that plays every time I plug my phone into something. You've got to download the song that says A-A-A-A-A-A. There's one that's just silence for like two hours, just called A-A-A-A-A. I like that the A-team plays. I feel like it's contributed to the hate that I get.

You do not get hate. Oh, man. Yeah. Not so much anymore. I feel like I came off social media for like a long time and I feel like now I've come back into being a bit more present. Right. Yeah. I feel like people had an opinion of me because they didn't know me. Yeah, of course. Yeah. That's the definition of social media. Yeah. So I feel like being more present and...

Yeah. My having my personality out there or maybe people hate me more. I don't know. Well, speaking of problems, let's look into, do you know about the tell me what's wrong? Let's go. Yeah. Okay. So the tell me what's wrong is the pussies right in and they, they tell us what's wrong and we give them advice and then we prescribe them a remedy. Cool. You guys come into Boston calling by the way.

So my friend just had a baby, so I have to go home. I was going to say, because we're going to go and catch the Renee Rapp show. I know. I had no idea she was here. I had no idea she was here until I saw you guys at the basketball game today. Well...

Well, why would you think she was here? Because she hates Boston. Yeah, she does hate Boston. She does. So that's why I was like, no, there's no way Renee's here. Oh, this one I totally relate to. I think I have bladder control issues. I'm 16 and I peed the bed last week. That's ridiculous. And I peed my pants in Applebee's last night, completely sober. I'm literally always pissing myself.

Black jeans. Black jeans? Black jeans. Okay. Yeah. So I have an issue with pee where I can't go to bed until I know that every ounce of pee is out of my body. So like every 30 minutes I pee. So, but you know what I drink a lot of water now. And you know what I've realized is you, you train your bladder, like you train a stomach, you train your bladder. So I've, because I pee so much, have trained my bladder to just like constantly need to pee. So that's what I would prescribe to this girl. Just like hold it in.

Or black jeans. Or black jeans. Because then no one will ever see it. Right. If you wear, like, I find this, like, I, you know, I go to, like, really hot countries in, like, Asia, which are very, very humid. And I find if I wear green shorts, I've always just got a sweaty ass. Uh-huh. Yeah. So if you wear black shorts, it doesn't show up. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah.

So yeah, black shorts, black trousers. Right. Okay, I think that's a better prescription than just holding it in. Yeah. That way you can pee your pants. Well, no, but I think the point is she can't hold it in. I think that's the point. But you can. It's just uncomfortable. Have you ever had a lymphatic drainage massage? Oh my God, no. I don't know what that is. Okay, so basically it's like they beat you up.

And they get all the toxins out of your body. Oh, I have. Yep. I did that in, I toured Russia in 2019. And I remember going to do that in a like room and he was beating me with these sticks. Yes. And I walked in and I walked in, in my swim shorts and he looked at me and he was like,

no shots yeah and so i took them off and i was standing naked in front of him big guy and i was just like cock out and everything and i was a bit like feeling a bit weird about it you know i'd freak and he just looks at me and he looks down and he looks up and goes my sister big fun no and did you still let him do the massage yeah it was kind of weird it was kind of weird yeah

It's kind of weird. I felt almost violated, you know? For sure. But did you feel skinny after? Because that's what those massages are for. No, 2019 was in my fat face. Oh, your FP? Yeah. Do you know what it is? I...

In America, I don't know what this is so stupid, but I used to think that like no carb just meant like no bread, no fries, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, well, I can eat chicken wings. So I just ate chicken wings for about a year and a half. I think those are carbs. Yeah. Are they actually? I put on like, I don't know what it would be in pounds, but I put on like four stone, which how many? What are stone? 12 pounds to a stone or 14 pounds to a stone. So yeah.

Yeah, about 50 pounds. I also put on a lot of weight this past year, but I recently started Ozempic. How's that? Can you tell that I've been on Ozempic? Is it not really bad for you? Okay, so I lied. I'm not on Ozempic, but I was just seeing that if you were to believe me because I had all the pussies start this rumor that I was on Ozempic. I feel like people get sunken eyes on Ozempic like that, so I don't think you're on... Oh. Do you know what? I'm prone to putting on a lot of weight, and what I've found is...

Just going to the gym regularly and trying to like portion size. So I like that lobster roll. It's not like a huge portion. You have that. You're good. Right. I have this thing where I overeat. Like my friends always say, would it kill us to go to bed hungry? Yeah. I have that. I don't have an off switch, but if I have just one thing to eat, then the off switch is there. If I have that, I won't be like, oh, I need to order another, another, another. But if everything's in front of me, I will eat.

Eat it. Same. That's because I over order. And I smoke before every meal. Oh, weed. Yeah. I have to or else I'm not hungry. I think I need to go to the doctor. This guy likes me, but he follows way too many bitches on Instagram. He's cute and nice, but IDK, the Instagram thing freaks me out and I haven't been taking him seriously. What do I do? My butt is asleep. I think it depends what you want from the relationship. If you want a casual hookup, then...

Don't worry about it. But if you are looking to have a longer term relationship, then maybe it's a problem that he's in touch with a lot of B-I-T-C-Hs. So I would prescribe the dark web. And you go on the dark web and you pay someone to hack his Instagram. This sounds like you've done it before. No, but I know that you can, if that makes sense. I don't think it's that serious, man. Oh, Jesus.

They're saying like, you know, do I like if they were dating and he is it he or she? Did you? No idea. So if they're dating and they think that their partner is cheating on them and they're thinking about getting serious, then maybe you can do some. I'm not I'm not advocating dark, dark, dark web block every single one of them. And he'll be like, why the fuck did these people block me?

Oh, do it like that. Why did they block me? But he blocked them. He'll just never know. But then, you know, if that person finds out that you've had sex. I'll never find out. I guess not. I don't think I'm a good kisser. Please help me. Every kiss I've had has been drunk. How do I kiss without alcohol? Okay, so I definitely wrote this. I saw a video of myself making out with someone the other day and it was just despicable. So I don't really have advice to give here. Is there a way to be a bad kisser? Yes.

Yeah. Okay. Limited tongues. I feel like too much tongue is a bit grim. Yeah. I wish I could show the video, but it is so, how do I put this? Like demoralizing and embarrassing. Like I can't, like, I don't know what advice to give. Are you a maximum tongue person?

I don't know. Like, I would, like, sometimes I would practice on the door. Well, I think, I think the practice needs to be, I think you just need to do it. Kiss a lot of people. Yeah. Okay. Eventually you, I think you, I think you learn quite quickly the do's and don'ts. Right. You know? Yeah. You would think so. I haven't. I'm going to prescribe Angus. What is it? Angus snogging. Angus. Sean. What the fuck is it called? Angus thongs and full frontal snogging. Perfect snogging or full frontal snogging.

Are you sure that's what it's called? Anger, stonks, and full frontal snogging, yeah. Can we please check that? That is what it's called in England. Yeah. In England.

But you know, as I say, it's the English language. So we're right. Oh, no one, no one wants to like Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone. It's called the Philosopher's Stone because in the book it fucking is in the book. It is the Philosopher's Stone. Why would they change it? Because America was like, well, we don't know what philosophy, like I'm, I'm, I'm telling you, there's so many things that have been changed for the American market that like really grind my gears. I'm like, it's the fucking philosophy.

that's probably the main one. It's like, it is Nicholas for Mel's philosopher's stone. It says in the fucking book, it isn't called the sorcerer's stone. Sorry, man. I'm like, yeah, no, I get it. Is that what you're a therapist about? Yeah.

Wait, so did you read the Harry Potter books? Yeah, of course. Okay, do you want to know what I did? Yeah. So everyone was reading and obviously I was like, well, if everyone's reading, I have to read. And so I read it and then I got to the fourth one. And if you remember the Goblet of Fire, it's like fucking 500 pages long. I'm not reading that. So I got through half of it and I would show up to school every single day, a hundred pages in, like just faking it. And then I never read again. But I told everyone I finished the entire series. I actually, do you know...

The only books I read as a kid were Harry Potter and then I never read again. And then I was on my honeymoon and they had the Harry Potter books on the boat we were on. And I was like, oh, I'm going to start reading this. And now I read all the time. So it's actually got me into reading again. I'm reading Three Body Problem at the moment.

I just watched that show. Yeah. Very confusing. The book's pretty great. Have you heard of like the real life shit that's gone on though? There's like a lawyer that did the deal for the show for Netflix that killed some, he like poisoned someone that was involved with the book or maybe owned the rights to the book. And it's all kicking off in China at the moment with it's like, but real life shit. Oh, what the fuck? Yeah. Look it up. Do you understand three body problem? Cause I didn't, but can I tell you what's, have you seen the show? Yeah.

Do you remember when they did Lana Del Rey's video games? Yeah. How good was that scene, huh? You... I mean, that song is incredible. It's the best song ever. That song came out at the same time as A-Team. And it was like we were kind of doing the same late night shows at the same time. Oh, no way. Yeah, I just... That song's just...

Kind of like the perfect debut song, isn't it? Yeah. One can say that about the A-team as well. Thank you. Of course. What do you think is another perfect debut song? Oh, this is my favorite, favorite, favorite topic of conversation. Driver's License by Olivia Rodrigo.

Hit Me Baby One More Time by Britney Spears. That's it. There is no better debut song. Those are the two great, I'm trying to think, there must. I think Hit Me Baby One More Time is like top two or three best songs ever written. It's really rare to have like a moment where your debut song hits. So stay with me, Sam Smith. But that wasn't his debut. I think he did Latch.

Well, Latch with Disclosure, and then it was Money on My Mind, I think, was the first one on that album. So I guess it's the only real, real, like, video games, driver's license, Hit Me Baby One More Time. Lala. You know that one? Lala? Yeah, Sam's... I'm crying in my eyes like a kid. No, I think it was Latch, then Lala, then Money on My Mind.

So I was wrong about Sam Smith, evidently. No, that was like fifth single, I think.

again that was multiply era so katie perry i kissed a girl it's a great great debut that's great lady gaga or i guess you know you would think just dance is lady gaga's but it wasn't actually i think it was like gaga's first i want to say it was like something maybe summertime or and nothing else i can say or there was a few off the fame but that's a great debut album but i think the most the biggest one in recent memory is uh driver's license i was such a moment in the gym earlier and i was like this is a

It's such an instant classic. I have a playlist called Instant Classics, and it's my favorite playlist I have. It's great. I mean, that song's great. Both those records, actually, Guts and Sour, are, like, I think, unskippable. There's just, like, it's just, as a record, just a great record. Yeah, she's so... I mean, it's so nice in our, like, environment where it's just single, single, single, single, single, single when you have an artist that, like, puts out an album. And it's, like, a body of work. And...

Yeah, there's something to be said. I feel like this sometimes, but sometimes I make records where I'm like, I want every single song to sound like a single. And that was how I made Multiply and Divide. And then sometimes I make records where I'm like, this is going to sound like an album. And that was how I did Subtract and Plus. And it's weird, the ones that...

like no one really notices with multiply that they kind of see it in the same way, but I was very well, I was crafting that album was just like, I'm treating every single song as if it could be a single from the record. Whereas with subtract, I was like, I don't actually think there's any singles other than eyes closed. And I just want it to be a journey in a story. I think there are different ways to make. Subtract is so great. Thanks. Eyes closed played on the plane. Thank you. On the way here. I, uh,

I really like that record. I can't really listen to it again. But I do like it. I'm back in sort of wanting to make fun songs again. I kind of had like a year and a half of being like, I'm just going to write nothing but sad songs. It's cathartic. Yeah. But I don't think it's actually what people necessarily want all the time. I think what worked about Multiply and Divide was...

the fact that there was upbeat songs and sad songs. And I think what didn't work about equals was I was actually in a quite happy spot. Therefore, there's not like much heartbreak on the record. Of course. And then subtracts is just all...

dark heart yeah um so yeah i think you need a balance of both do you still like care what how people receive your records or are you at that stage where it's like i'll make what i want and i am i don't believe any artist that says they don't otherwise you wouldn't release music because you'd be like if i don't care what people think then why would i even put it out you know you just you just sort of like make the music and be like well that's made me feel good so yeah all artists it's we want to be

That's why we are on stage. And that's why, you know, you sign to a record company to go, I would like people to hear the music that I'm making. I don't really subscribe to this whole, like, not caring thing of being like, oh, I don't care how it does. And I, you know, I just, I make music for me. And like, if you did do that, then you wouldn't release it. I think that's all a kind of ruse of,

Because it sounds cool to say, but every artist wants people to like their music. It makes you feel less insecure. You write something insecure in a song that you deep down are just like, oh my God, I just need to put this out and I feel really uncomfortable with it.

And you want to have people be like, I feel the same way. And then that sort of justifies the feeling. And then you've got something... What I loved about Subtract is out of real pain and hurt and sorrow, actually something beautiful happened. And touring that record and meeting people who were going through the same things or had gone through similar things. And that's what is amazing about music. Yeah, it really pisses me off when people are like...

too cool to... You know, they're like, oh, I don't care how it does. I'm like, fucking shut up. Yeah. You do. Everyone does. Do you... Actually, I wouldn't say everyone does. If you're assigned to an indie label and you...

Like there are definitely people that I know that don't tour. They don't promote the records. They put the records out on an indie label and they keep it moving. Those, those are the ones that actually don't care. But anyone, anyone in my sphere, right? That's anyone in the pop game definitely cares. Right. Is there any song that you wrote that you were like, I am putting this out because I,

I need people. I need this song to do well. I need people to connect with this song. Is there any song in your discography that really just, like, have that for you? I mean, perfect. I put, like, every ounce of everything behind because I was... Do you know, like, the lawsuit with Thinking Out Loud was, like, a big blow to my...

confidence as a songwriter because I put all of my time and effort into being a songwriter and it's something I take really seriously and then suddenly it was like questioned and then people were like oh he just steals songs and stuff so and that was like my big ballad at that time so Perfect was

this thing where I was like, I'm going to write a song 100% on my own and I'm going to make sure it is bigger than thinking out loud. And I'm going to prove to people that I am a songwriter and that songwriting is my craft that I work on. And so I put everything into the video of that, everything into the production of that, everything into the promotion of that. I managed to snag...

Beyonce, you know, to get on it. And it ended up being, you know, like, Thinking Out Loud never went to number one. Perfect went to number one. Thinking Out Loud never went to number one? No, it's like one of the longest number twos of... What? Yeah, it was Uptown Funk time. Oh, okay. Yeah, well, that one was everywhere. Wait, so, was this you? Were you the one that got on the stand and started playing the chords? And you did, like, so cool. Well, it's...

Do you know what it is? A lot of these lawsuits, a lot of them are brought by non-musicians and they kind of get told that they have a case and they're like, well, this is the reason you have a case is because the chords are similar. But any musician would be able to be like, well, there is a toolkit of chords that are used with songs and...

there's only a certain amount of ways that you can do it in different orders and then if you have those chords like there are certain notes and melodies that are going to sound good over there and anyway I feel that there's not a lot of there's times where I've heard songs that sound near identical to songs that I've written but I know that

the way that songwriting works, you know? Right. No one goes in the studio and goes, let's steal this song. Of course. Obviously people get inspired by music, but that's why, you know,

that's kind of the the linearness of it you know the Beatles were inspired by Chuck Berry and Elvis Presley and that's why they started off doing rock and roll and then they got inspired by Ravi Shankar and went to India and made all this you you're inspired by different musicians and genres and songs and times and that is just how music works and it's kind of like a lie to pretend that

It doesn't. No one is making truly, truly original music in 2024. Right. Because in 2024, everything's already been made. We're just basically fusing. It's the cuisine thing. Right. Japanese food mixed with Italian food. That's where we're at now. It's taking...

things that have already been and blending it and making it your own. And I feel like over my career, that's how I've made songs is I, you know, I would listen to hip hop, but I'd also listen to singer songwriter music. And I'd also listen to folk music. And that's where something like Galway Girl would come out. I'd make a song where you would

rap but then also have trad music in it you know that's and i think that's an important thing to remember in music is it's all been done before right do you who are you some of your like biggest inspirations whether that be songwriting or production or uh i think well i think songwriting i think someone like someone like max martin i think it it has just got the

he's just got the he's got it yeah and um i i've been fortunate enough to like work with him on you know all all sorts of stuff we won a we won an emmy recently for a song that we did for uh ted lasso which is so different to the justin bieber i don't care song it's that's that's more of a singer-songwriter song and i don't care it's more of a pop song but his approach to both

And how he's very much like less is more on melodies and words where I've always been a like more is more and try and cram everything in. But he's a very good like editor as well as just coming up with ideas. I love how like, cause he has his like MXM production camp and he's got all these amazing Swedish writers and producers that work, work for him. So like he can,

oversee a lot of projects at once and just be like well this bit doesn't work maybe take that or like he listened to a song that I'd made the other day with them a producer that he works with a lot and he was just like the pre doesn't sound right you should redo the pre but not be like this is what you should do he just with his ears he's just like yeah you should you should change the pre and I love that about him as a songwriter I mean he's made some of my favorites have you heard the new Ari record loved it I

I mean, we can't be friends. Incredible. So the guy that produced that, I'm working with at the moment, Ilya. Yes. But he, so the first time I worked with Max, he came to stay with me in Suffolk and the night before I just got a load of wine in and I was like, before we work, like, let's like let loose together a little bit. And we got really, really, really drunk. And about two o'clock in the morning, I was like,

Max, I know you have it, but play me the original demo of I Want It That Way. And he had his original demo of it. That's so cool. And he also had the original demo of Baby One More Time. I was about to say. Do you know that they got Lang to rewrite I Want It That Way just before it came out? They were like...

Because Max was obviously written, I want it that way, in kind of broken English. He was just, he chose lyrics that were phonetically, you know, tell me why, like, phonetically. And the record company, I think, were like, oh, these lyrics don't really mean anything. Let's make sure it means something. So they got Mutt Lang to rewrite it.

And the Backstreet Boys recorded it and it's on YouTube. No way! Yeah, you can find this song with their, it's totally different lyrics. And they scrapped it just before it came out. They won't actually know the original version. But you can hear the Mutt Lang version on...

Mutt Lang. Why is it? Mutt Lang did. Did he do Shania Twain? He did Shania Twain, yeah. Wow. I'm really proud of myself for knowing that. Yeah, he was married to Shania Twain. Yep. I knew that because I watched the Shania Twain documentary. I love Shania. I love me Shania. Yeah, me too. She's great. Jinx! Are you having fun? Yes. Oh!

I also feel like I chatted about football for 20 minutes, which I don't think is necessarily your... No, yes it is. We're just hanging out. Cool. My ex-friend and crazy roommate blacked out at our college bar and poured a drink on me, pushed me, and kept flipping my friends and I off. I don't think she remembers it because she was blacked out, but how do I get revenge? Do you believe in the blackout thing? What do you... Do I believe? You've never blacked out before?

Oh, no. I mean, I have, but it's more like passing. Right, you pass out. There was one time, actually, I was in and I was drinking...

cafe Patron and I went to bed. This is not really blacked out. This is like sleepwalking and I sleep naked. I enjoy the freedom that it brings to my life. And I got up in the middle of the night to take a piss and I opened the toilet door and I walked out and then suddenly the door closed and I opened my eyes and I was in the corridor completely naked without a key to my room. So I was just standing there naked like

you know, CCTV, CCTV. And I'm just like, oh, fuck. How did you get out of that? Well, I was looking around. I was like, how do I get out of this? And there was someone's room service tray was outside their room with a napkin. And so I took the napkin and I covered my junk and I went into the lobby of the hotel all the way down. And I walked up, there's like four o'clock in the morning. No one's there apart from someone. And they looked at me kind of like, cause I was playing that weekend. And so they looked at me like,

And I was like, please don't fucking tell anyone. Can you let me in my room? And then they came up and let me in my room. And my security guard wiped the footage the next day. Pretty sure he filmed it on his iPhone. So he's got something to blackmail me with. But yeah, it was a thing. Wow. Yeah. So that's like not so much blacked out, but definitely like my most embarrassing moment.

No, yeah, I've blacked out before, like multiple times. But I – what was I going to say? In terms of this girl and her friend that she wants to get revenge on, look –

I'm sorry, your friend blacked out and was mean. And that's a conversation to be had, but there's no revenge necessary. Like that's more like a- Yeah, revenge is bad. Revenge is, and I'm the most revengeful person ever. I think just be aware next time there'll be a certain switch that you see in your friend where you're like, oh, this is going a bit south. And then that's the time for lots of water, lots of bread and the taxi home. I prescribe the show Intervention.

It's a show where they just basically are like, you have a problem. Right. Yeah. Do they unpack the problem? Of course. It's an intervention. It's amazing. Have you seen it? Obviously not. I just explained it to you. What am I watching at the moment? Oh, I just watched Baby Reindeer. Me too. How good was that? It's incredible. Richard Gadd is amazing. Yeah. Have you seen the Piers Morgan interview with the... No, because I think giving this woman a platform that did all this crazy... Has it definitely confirmed it's her? I mean...

seems like it you watched the interview didn't you no i didn't you wouldn't you wouldn't know i saw a clip on tiktok okay i watched the full interview and about 10 minutes in i was like maybe it's not and then by the end i was like it definitely is you know it well i saw a clip on tiktok and she sounds like her so i was like yeah this makes sense did pierce morgan so you just went oh she's scottish

Yes. So it must be her. Yes. Like literally. Is Richard Gadscott? Wait. Question about Scotland. He's from Fife I think. Question about Scotland. And I need you not to be like Jake what the fuck. Is Scotland in England?

So never say that in Scotland. Okay. You'll get into a fight. Oh, okay. And never say that Wales is in England. And never, ever say that Ireland is in England. Or ever say that Ireland is in the United Kingdom. But it is. It's not. It's not. Northern Ireland is in the United Kingdom. Okay. So the United Kingdom is Northern Ireland, Wales, England, Scotland. Scotland, Northern... Well, not so much Northern Ireland. Scotland and Wales both have like...

It sort of manifests as jokey, but there's problems dating back, you know, hundreds and hundreds of years. England, you know, we haven't got a great history. Not the best. Most of the world's problems stem from England's colonialism. Right. You know. We're in Boston, the Tea Party. Yeah. I don't, what's? The Boston Tea Party. Tell me we don't learn that in school. You're kidding.

It was the most ridiculous thing of all time. So to protest England, like, look, I didn't really listen in school. So like someone stopped me if I'm wrong to, it was like America and America had just started or whatever. And they were like vibing and they were like, we're like not down for England anymore. So to protest England, they decided to dump all of their tea in the Boston Harbor. Right. Just ridiculous. Almost. That showed him. Oh yeah. Yeah.

It was, what was it? It was to protest taxes on tea, right? Right. No, I, yeah. So anyway, England have had quite a bad history of being bad with like Ireland and Scotland and Wales and kind of everyone. But it's kind of manifests itself in jokey ways because obviously like people nowadays have nothing to do with the history. But yeah.

If Scotland play England in rugby or football or Wales play England, that's when the sort of rivalry comes out. I'm half Irish, so I've kind of got like straddled both of it, whereas Irish people and English people really do get on now, but there's been a lot of...

Right. Yeah. So I'm kind of like stuck in the middle. Oh, okay. So, okay. I see. I see. Like, yeah, I've kind of got a, I support England football, but I would also like. Support an Irish football. I think, I think if Ireland. Do they play football in Ireland? I think if, yeah, I think if the Republic of Ireland were playing England in a football game, I would support the Republic of Ireland. I think. But that's because they would be. Tea, literally. No, but they'd be the underdog, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

I can't get over a friendship that ended like a year ago. I get it. We were both kind of in the wrong, but I was the one who dealt with the repercussions and was low key shunned by my whole school. Why am I still hung up on her? Have you ever had a friendship that ended that you couldn't get over? Yeah. Yeah. I think, yeah, I think it's, um, well, I see life as chapters of a book and I feel like you can have main characters in each chapter. Um,

But it still doesn't mean it doesn't hurt when you've had a lot of history with someone and then that's just gone. Of course. Yeah. And then it's difficult to remember the good times, I think. But yeah, I'm very much like I try not to get too...

uh, too nostalgic on things. I'm always about looking forward rather than, than looking back. And sometimes, you know, I go through life, I lose contact with people all the time just because I'm not a very contactable person. And sometimes that just happens via me moving away for a bit and then changing my email and blah, blah, blah. And then sometimes you come back to England and bump into someone and then that friendship begins again. So I'm very much a like chapters person, not a, not, I'm not trying to like turn back pages. I'm just a like

as my life goes on, just let things happen. Yeah. Yeah. Do you have any songs about that? Uh, I think life goes on is a little bit about that. Okay. I think, you know, it's all about getting to the end of the day and letting a new day begin rather than like dwelling too much about,

Like, I have lots of things that I could regret in my life and that I wish that I could do again sort of thing, but you can't. And what's the point in dwelling on it? It's more about, like, growing as a person and learning from experiences and, you know...

me getting embarrassed about something that I did when I was younger and being like oh god you know how yeah you know how yeah you're saying like the kissing thing like yeah one one day you're going to be amazing at kissing and you look back and if you look back and go oh god I wish like it's happened and right you're in a different place now and you're a different person now so I think it's more yeah don't don't dwell too much on the past and regrets I think

Okay, so I prescribe two things. Life Goes On by you, and I prescribe, there was another one that was coming, Landslide by Fleetwood Mac. Cool. Because they're just like talking about shit happens, grow up, shit happens. But I do feel bad for this girl. I understand. Friendship breakups are the worst. I've never had a romantic breakup, but I've had a friendship breakup, and they are just the most painful thing in the world. So I get it. You ready for one more? Yeah. Okay.

Yeah, you want to go? You want to pick one out? Yeah. Do you want to call a pussy? What, on the phone? Mm-hmm. Yeah, let's do it. This one. It's my 21st birthday on the same day as my sister's college graduation. Should I be a Gemini and throw a fit or be a nice sister? Wait, read that to me one more time. It's my 21st birthday. It's the same day as my sister's college graduation. Should I be a Gemini and throw a fit or be a nice sister?

I think you can do both. I think go to the graduation and organize something in the evening and have fun with your sister and your friends. That gives me such shivers. What I would do is I'd be like, it is my 21st fucking birthday. I love you. Ungraduate. No, you can graduate and it's fine and I'll support you during the day. But like, it's my 21st birthday and like, I'm gonna go get drunk with my girls. And that's just what I'm gonna do. Still go to the graduation. Well, yeah, but that'll be in the morning.

Yeah, so that's fine. I don't even know what to prescribe besides a helping hand. Like, that's really hard. Yeah, just go to the graduation and then afterwards let your parents take out your sister. Yeah. Yeah, let's call a pussy. It's this girl's birthday. I want to call her and wish her happy birthday. The person you're trying to reach is not available. Epitome, please record your message. When you have finished recording, you may hang up.

Hi, Mia. It's Jake and... Ed, Sharon, hey. Okay, so we tried to call you a few times. I understand it's your birthday. Happy belated birthday. I love you so much, but I have Ed here, and he's going to sing to you a happy belated birthday. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, dear Mia. Happy birthday to you. That was, like, strikingly beautiful. Yeah.

Ed, thank you. Mia, happy birthday. I love you. Wow, that gave me full body chills. That gave me full body chills. Okay, let's try one more pussy. We'll see if they can answer. If this one doesn't answer. Hello? Hello? Hi, it's Jake Shane. It's Jake Shane. I'm with Ed Sheeran right now. Hello? Yeah, yeah.

I'm about to like literally see Renee Robb. Wicked. Me too. I'm about to go and watch her side of stage. Jake, I literally love you so much. You have no idea. Me and my best friend Molly always talk about you and how much we want you to buddy and have your call me by your name. Yes. You're literally our comfort person. I'm sorry. There's like noise in the back, but be fucking obsessed with you. You're like our favorite. You guys. Are you going to watch anyone? Are you? Are you? Oh, so you're going to see Adelaide? Yeah.

Yeah, I'm gonna see Ed later. He comes on around like 8 something, I think. Yeah, I'm here. Wait, Jake, are you also? Yeah, but I leave shortly after. Oh my god, I love you guys so much. I did not expect this call. Okay, well, we love you. Say bye to Ed. See you later. Bye, Ed. Bye. She's so excited. Yeah.

The pussies are loyal. Like, I don't know. Like, what can I say? Like, they're loyal. Yeah. Boston calling. How'd you know she was in Boston? I didn't. That's why I looked at Louise and her jaw hit the floor. Did you know? Oh, cool. That actually just worked out. Kiss me. Can you tell from like the area code? Yeah. Sometimes I Google the area code. So where's 216? I couldn't tell you if my life depended on it. LA is 310818.

New York is... Oh, is that why the tequila is 818? That's why Kendall's... Yeah, right. There you go. Have I just blown your mind there? A little bit. Yeah.

A little bit. I had it the other day. I was. I liked it. I'm not really a spirits guy either. I only like vodka. Well, I guess I am a spirits guy then. Yeah. What's your vodka of choice? Vodka red. Oh, like my vodka of choice. I did that once to someone. It was like a game where it was like, what's your favorite cheese? And they were like, grated. Yeah. It's like, okay, yeah. Let me think of my, what's my favorite vodka? Maybe like,

a t-dose cool i love a t-dose it's gluten-free is that not as vodka not all gluten-free apparently not i found out when i started drinking t-dose damn what's your favorite drink of choice i my day is usually i finish my day i'll have a stella artois um but it kind of has to be draft i don't really like bottled or canned beer i love a draft beer um and then i will go for red wine

And I love Napa. Napa Cab. You're Napa's biggest fan. Yeah. I actually, like, I have a load of French friends and obviously, like, France is elite for wine. And we always argue all the time about American wine versus French wine. And we did a blind test and the American wine won. No way. With the French. Do you like a Riesland?

I'm not... White... Do you know, I ruined white as a kid with... Do you know what a goon bag is? You know, boxed wine? Yes. Take the bag out. We don't call that that in the US, but we know what you're talking about. So we'd rip that out, take that to a party, and ever since, I just can't do white wine. So at university in the US, they drink those on what's called a Wine Wednesday. Yeah. And, Louise, did you have those ever in college? And you slap the bag, and you drink it, and I had...

top two worst hangovers of my entire life. It's a wine bag and you, so like I would hold it up to you like this and slap the bag and you would drink it. What college do you guys go to? I went to USC. And where's that? California. And that's where you ended up in California? Yes. And where did you go to? Fuck yeah, Roll Tide. No way! How do you know Roll Tide? Courtney Cox, massive Alabama fan. Yeah, so I...

basically live at hers when I'm in California because she dates the guy that I make all my music with is her boyfriend and you know I've been there on Thanksgiving and watched Alabama Roll Tide yeah and then I dated a girl from Arkansas as well who was a big wee pig suey the Arkansas pig

I love Arkansas so much. Have you been to Fayetteville? Yeah. No, you haven't. Yes, I have. Yeah. Woo. Pig. Sweet. Sweet.

Let's go. I fucking love Arkansas. It's my favorite place in the world. Let's go. Oh my God. Wait, you're like knowing everything. Well, I am. I'm 33 now. So I've had like, well, when did I first come to America? I first came to America when I was 19. So there's like lots of life that I've spent here. Okay. Yeah. Wow. Okay. So Ed, what did we learn today?

That you never say that Ireland is in the United Kingdom. We did learn that. That England has better rules for sport because there's actually punishment for being shit. Yes. Whereas in America, you just get first draft. Okay. I just think that's unfair, isn't it? If you've got a bad team and then they just go, oh, well, you can make your team.

better right i don't know in england we just get punished for it right just like slowly drop down it's like have you seen divergent uh no okay it's like when they're in the factions and they have they kicked out of the factions i won't get into it it's like a whole dystopian thing but what did i learn today scorpios are uh compatible with aquarius yeah duh come on come on i've learned that you've had a lymphatic drainage massage in russia

Yeah, well, they call it something different there. It's lymphatic. It's just called, I think it's called, you get beaten with like... Lymphatic.

I've learned that there is a pub in England that if I go based like with your recommendation, they'll let me in the back for folks all night. I'll definitely hook that up if you go. It's a Tuesday. Do you want to like exchange numbers or something? Yeah. I don't have a number, but you can have my email. That isn't me piling you off either. I just don't.

In it. It's true. You don't have a phone number? No. I haven't had a phone since 2015. Wait, I'm so sorry. They gave me a phone recently to like do... So if I went to the Celtics game, I have something to like video stuff that would then go up on social media. But it's not like an active working phone. When did you... Why did you get rid of your phone? When did you get rid of your phone? Got rid of it 2015, December. December. And I...

Yeah, I found, you know, I had the same number from like age 15, I think. And I got famous and I had 10,000 contacts in my phone that were just people would just text the whole time. And I was just constantly just in touch with a lot of people. And yeah, it kind of got to a point where I feel like with phones, you

Everyone expects you to reply and if you don't reply it's rude and like sometimes you're just like not in a headspace to reply You're busy or doing doing what whatever but then when you reply then they reply back and then you reply and then they reply back and suddenly you're in like 40 conversations at once and you might be like I found myself sometimes like having dinner with my dad and then my phone was just going And you'd be thinking oh who's texting me and you get it out and then suddenly you're in conversations and I just was losing I

real life interaction. So I got rid of it. I got an iPad. I moved everything onto email, which I replied to once a week, which is very like, I have an hour of my time on like a Thursday or Friday. I sit down usually in, in the car. I blast all the emails, catch up, you know, do all the talking to whoever. And then, um,

And then that's it. And you can really like limit your, your time. So I went to dinner after the Celtics yesterday and you just leave your iPad in your hotel room. I've had dinner with my best friend. We caught up, we had like a, a long chat and then that was that. And I think it's a better way. No one expects a reply to an email recently. Like it's a cultural thing where, you know, the WhatsApp tick happens and you have to reply because, Oh, you left me on red. Whereas with emails, it's like,

You're going to read it when you're going to read it and you're going to reply when you're going to reply. I think the key is just to reply. Whereas with the phone, I just never replied to anyone, which I just think is rude. This is fascinating because when I lose my phone for like five minutes, like,

I can't even describe like, there'll be studies about this. I'm sure one day how addicted I am to my phone. Like I literally start shaking and scratching myself. Like I, like, but once you've really, I really admire this whole thing you have going on, but they're also like boredom creates amazing shit. Like if I wasn't bored, like I, I find myself, I go for dinner with my, uh, my wife and she, you know, she'll go to the toilet at a restaurant and,

She can sometimes take a while. Of course. And usually, 10 years ago, I would take out my phone and you'd flick through Instagram and you'd reply to messages. But when you're just sitting, doing nothing or waiting for a train or waiting for a plane or whatever, and your brain, that's when you're like, that's when I'll think of a lyric or a melody or be like, you'll have an idea about...

where to go next with your career like like i had an idea for a tour the other day where i was like oh that'd be quite a cool idea for a tour and that just comes out of boredom because your brain just starts ticking and i think this this stops boredom and boredom is what nothing creative ever has come uh out of being connected like the whole time boredom boredom is what makes someone think of an iphone right i think um it was was it johnny ive who thought of the iphone

I know Steve Jobs. I think Johnny Ive. Anyway. I don't know. But that probably came out of boredom of him thinking, thinking, what's next? Rather than him being on a device and being like, do you know what I need? A smaller device. Oh, you're like a legit artist. Yeah. You're an artist. Wow. That's one of the most admirable things I've ever heard.

You'd be surprised. Try and be bored for an hour a day. Okay, I'll try. Have a walk. I'll try. Oh, wait. I have one more thing to ask you. Oh, you said that when you're bored, this is when you think of the best lyrics and the best ideas. Was there ever a moment where you thought of a lyric and it's like one of your most well-known or it's in one of your most well-known songs and it was just like you remember exactly where you were, you remember exactly how you thought of it, perfected,

Probably, you know, uh, the, the, the one that's like the most memeable lyric is the, the, when your legs don't work like they used to before. And that came my, my, my gran, uh,

had lost her ability to walk and the song was basically written about I was like that's eternal love my grandparents had been together for like 60 years and you know she'd lost the ability to walk but I knew that my you know my grandfather could still sweep her off their feet figuratively so I remember thinking of that lyric and then that song kind of went the song isn't about my grandparents but the inspiration behind the first line I remember being like

talking to Amy who I'd written the song with and I was like look this is this is the story and I just thought it was quite just quite a cool way of saying it like when you wake legs don't work like I used to before and I can't sweep you off your feet like the the love is still there you know oh my god okay well Ed thank you so much for coming on TheraPuss do you want to give the pussies a little bye pussies pussies I love you goodbye and yeah see you at some point in the

Do you know what? Let me know when you're in London and I will hook that up. Okay, yes. Let me put my... Your email in? Yeah, your email. And I promise you, I am good on it. If you don't get a reply at least once every two weeks... I'll just show up at your house. Yeah. Do you know where... Actually, you can probably Google where I live. Oh, damn. That's scary. Yeah. I have got a lot of fucking security there now. Oh, okay. Well, I'll just say, it's Jake. The...

And they'll be like, of course. The press, like I had to get planning permission for this thing at my house and there's just loads of press on it. And then, mate, this guy came once in a car with speakers and parked outside my house and played a show. My neighbours fucking hated it. Did you think it was kind of funny or creepy? Oh my God, that's just typed all of that. Oh, blur that out.

I just turned that to the... Don't let people know my email address. Thank you. Trust me. It will cut out. Thank you. Can I say I love you? I love you. Okay. Do you mind if we do it? You actually never said that you love me. So I've just said that. I love you. I love you too. I love you.