Halloween Special with Benito Skinner
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Sabrina, where are you? We're about to start. Okay. Okay, be here soon. I love you. Happy Halloween. Baby, why don't you come over? Red wine supernova. Go right into me. Sing it!

Oh, shut the fuck up. You made it. Just got here. Oh, okay. What were you doing? I wanted to look like this when we talk about intrusive thoughts. Yeah, of course. Hi. Hey, pussies. I'm so honored to be here. Are you kidding? I'm so. How do my tits look? Your tits look amazing, Sabrina. Oh, God. You look so cute, Chapel. Oh, thank you so much.

Thank you. We can't stop looking at ourselves in the mirror. No, I can't. It's all I've been doing. I've been taking selfies. You know who's in there. Oh, there's a surprise. How am I sounding? Good? Love him. Hey. Okay, guys. Also, I cannot breathe. You can't? I'm going to have a full panic attack, but I want that on camera. No, everything. Get it on camera. And I keep going like this. Yep. You look gorgeous. You look gorgeous. Are you kidding me? Barry's going to love that. Uh-oh. Oh.

Shit. You look down and go, hairy thighs, totally. Love that. Hi. You ready? Yeah.

Happy Halloween, pussies. And welcome back, or welcome to the Halloween special of Therapus. We have the one, the only, not Sabrina Carpenter, but close enough, Benito Skinner. Are you kidding? The Sheehan Sabrina Carpenter, I would say. Hi, darling. Hi. I'm so excited to be here. I'm so excited to be here. When you texted me about this, I was, oh, well, there's, I'm a ghost. I love it.

What's Taylor Swift's, what was her gravestone in that? What's it called? Brett. Where'd she go? She went now. Do you remember? Look what she made me do. Was it like the old Taylor? No, it was the old Taylor, but it was like the gravestone of her old writing name. Oh, Niels, Niels, Niels. Yeah. I love it. I love history. And then look at this one says, terrified. Don't. I did. Don't.

You said your boyfriend? He's dead. What would you do if he died? That's the first question. Wait, stop. This is incredible. Do you like it? I feel like I tricked you into a Halloween special, but I love it. No, we have been so excited about this for literally forever. Oh, and Sabrina, this one says, buried D alive.

Stop. It was for you. Again, history. Look at this. History. Attention to detail. Look at an espresso martini. Should we cheers? Yeah, of course. It's vodka, so I'll be depressed in three, two, one. Two, eye contact. One. Cheers to us. Fabulous.

Oh, I'm fully shaking because I kind of can't move my lower back. Oh, you can't? No, but I like that. Do you need another pillow? No, this is perfect. Okay. Yeah. No, it feels good. It's good. We're in full pain. How do you feel in this? I feel really vulnerable. You revealed something to me today that I didn't know. What was that? You've never been in drag. I've never been. Well, there was a photo of me when I was in sixth grade. I dressed up as I Love Lucy. Okay. And that was the

closest I ever got to drag. This feels similar. This feels a little similar. Same wheelhouse. I like that. Famous reds. Famous reds. I love it. It's perfect for you. Perfect coloring. Perfect. Yours is perfect. I will say the second I put this on, I get why she's talking about sex so much. Really? I feel like a little hussy. Really? I feel so horny. Like, you're just horny. You know what I mean? I'm kind of like,

I was looking in the mirror and I was like, fuck, I'd bop around stage two in a little towel. We need that. We need heroes like that. Pop is not that it, I mean, it did go away for a minute. I think so. I think so. Someone brought it back and she's coming in later. She's coming. Yeah. I think, well. These dolls brought pop back. Yeah, the Powerpuff Girls. Yeah. This summer. That's what we are. This summer. This summer. On the CW. Fuck, I want us to have a show. I'm pissed. Me fucking too. Oh, God.

Okay, can I call you Benny? Yeah, you better. Okay, well, I just want to make sure. Yeah. I get so pissed. Like, imagine. Well, that would be... I truly can't breathe. I'm so upset. Hold my hand. That's my girl. That's my pussy. You look fabulous. Okay, sorry. I'll stop. You know, this is so not what me and Mary Beth do for Ride. Like, this is a full production. This is incredible. It is a full production. We have a full team. I know. And a tour bus. It takes the village. I...

I can tell. Look at this. Well, we're in a graveyard village. We recorded like random like banks in Toronto. Is that where you guys recorded? I can't even tell you where we were recording. It was like just they get more and more random each time. Lately, Mary Beth was at a place in Brooklyn and the back of it, I was just like, you're at the UN. I was like, you're voting on something as I want her to be. But I was like, what is going on? Tell me. Where was she? I was like, were you kidnapped?

Like Bushwick, I think. Oh, okay. Yeah. So, same thing. In honor of Ride, like, I did want to bring something that I ride for. You're kidding. No, I did. As they fix my tits again. As you fix your tits. Yeah, tell me. A star is born, the trailer, and the subske- We have strokes. Can you imagine? I would die to have a stroke in this. Like, if they had to- The ambulance has to carry us out. Do you know what I think about all the time? What? What?

is like if you do get in a car accident, they'll cut you out of your clothes. I think that would wake me up. I'd go, no, not that. Back on. I don't know why I had to tell you that, but you needed to know that. No, I needed to know. And I would unzip you out of this dress. Yeah, I would say, well, Benny has to do it. I'd say, whoa, whoa, no. He may have just died. We need a friend and a family. Nope. No, thanks. A Star is Born trailer. Oh, my God. And the press tour. This is huge. I'm like, thank God. There could be 100 people in the room. Yeah, and there's...

Maybe two. But you know what? Have you ever seen a compilation of her saying that over and over and over and over and over and over again? It's called a press...

Yeah. How many stories do you think she's got? Not enough. You know what I mean? It's like that made sense to me. I get it. I also got it. I get it. I also thought it was really inspirational. Like there does just have to be one person. And it's Bradley Cooper. It could be one gay guy in a room. That's what that's us. That's us. And I got the sentiment like if one dude is just like, hell yeah, girl. You're my star now. I think that's fab. That movie is everything to me.

So that movie, I've watched the beginning like 50 times. I've only seen the end twice because I can't do it. I can't put myself through it. It's rough, huh? But the trailer, we don't get trailers like that anymore. We don't get trailers like that anymore. I'm so glad you brought this up. Thank you. We've talked about it on Ride 2 of like,

The Diana trailer did that for me. And Cruella. Uh-huh. Great trailer. Yeah. You've got me hooked. And you know, they're so, and then I'm trying to think of like the Spring Breakers trailer. Don't talk about, we can't talk about Spring Breakers. No, because like that. That's what I come back on. I could talk about that for two hours. That trailer did things for me. Perfect art. Skrillex. Skrillex. Skrillex.

you need him on this. I know. Skrillex on Therapist. Come on. Have you ever met Skrillex? No. Neither have I. I'm sure he's a total doll. Yeah, I think so too. I saw him walking a dog once, full head shaven. No. And it just took me back. I felt amazing. He was like the it DJ. Yeah. Miss Skrill, Skrillex. Miss Skrill, Skrillex. What was it? It was Scary Monsters and Nights. Yo Skrill, drop it hard. Like me listening to that being such like a homo. You know what I mean? I'm like, I love this you guys. It's like, we,

Wait, I would literally like play that just like walking around a college campus. Me too. Skrillex is amazing, but he hasn't had a situation where...

a moment in a while. Oh, I thought you meant like he had been canceled. I'm like, don't tell me that. No, no, no. I can't lose Skrill. Not Skrill. No, I'm sure like. No, he, as far as I know, he hasn't been canceled yet. Okay. But what's your thing? Hearing you, like, I forget how you look right now. Uh-huh, me too. Like, I forget that this is how we look. Okay, I'm gonna have a sip. Everyone was like, Jake, you're shaking. I was like, I think I'm just. I'm kind of shaking too because I can't feel my low back and I'm so excited. And your waist is gone. Don't even start.

This is what, you know what? Women have been through so much. We can do this for an hour. And I literally was sitting there with my- That's like our big thing. That is our big thing. And I was sitting there with my hair and my dress and I was like, fuck, like- Yeah. Think about doing this on a press tour and having to think of new things to say. Leave Gaga alone. Leave Gaga alone. Fuck. There could be a hundred people in the room. Yeah. And if Jake Shane's in it- I'll believe in you. I'm happy. I'm fucking good. I'm protected. You're protected. So Benny. Yeah. What brings you in today?

Okay. Well, obviously Halloween with you, dreams. And you know what I wanted to tell you today? I feel like you were one of the only people that I also saw on the internet that was like talking about OCD. Do you have OCD? Yeah. Oh my God. And it just made me feel so much better. I don't know. And I don't know. I've talked about intrusive thoughts on the podcast before, but it was like-

I don't know. I just feel like we don't talk about it enough. We don't. And seeing you talk about it was amazing. So I guess I'm bringing that to the red table. But also, I just want to spend time with you in costume. Well, how does your... If you don't mind me asking, how does your OCD manifest? Because OCD is a really...

isolating disease. It is. Well, Terry has it too. My boyfriend, Terry, I had to mention him early. Sorry. Mine is a lot of intrusive thoughts, which are really hard to describe to people. If you describe them, you'll put us in jail. A hundred percent. That's why you have to get an OCD therapist if you're doing it. Yes, who understands. Or else it's like you're going to prison. But yeah, I feel like it's that

And really intense like perfectionism that led me to like sometimes like not want to make things, not put things out. Like I just, I get so hyper fixated on things. It makes you lazy. It makes me lazy. Yeah. I feel like almost like completely, yeah, just stuck in my body. Yeah. Like filled with...

sheer terror because like my pants don't fit right right you know I mean I'm like god damn it or like there's a tiny stain right here oh don't even say stain right now yeah I won't sorry die you really look like Sabrina I'm bugging out you're like wait it's her like it's her drinks anywhere both I'm like chapel I love your work I do wonder what I would say to her if I saw chapel at something I met her the other day how was it lovely oh my god I watched VMAs lovely yeah it was lovely she loves her gays well of

Well, of course. She loves her gays. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. I can feel that. I feel that in the art. Yeah. You feel it. Sabrina does too. She's like, you freaking horny bastards. Yeah. Is my wig going up? No, I think my, I'm having like shit in my mouth. You can't imagine how much sweat. I, all over my body. Bussy. Bussy. Hello. Hey. Um, but yeah, so that's my OCD. But it's, it's really isolating. Did you, were you ever a girl, Stan?

Oh my god of course that and the ticks that episode. Yeah where she's like that was that was my OTD that's like how it manifested for me. So is that yours it's like numbers? Numbers I used to cluck. Oh I'm so sorry. I used to cluck cluck cluck. Do you have like ticks like? Yeah ticks I would like count and cluck my mouth. Oh god damn it. Yeah also seeing Lena Dunham do that I was like oh my god.

Yeah. I'm not alone. What's amazing. Or like OCD rehab with Dr. Drew. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. And the YouTubers, I'm obsessed with all the YouTubers that are just like, I feel like oddly, some of them have the like doctor thing. I love when I see that on YouTube, I'm like, Oh, I'm at a hospital now. Yeah. I'm at the doctor's office. Um, so that kind of helped me, but no, I just, I feel like seeing you talk about it and I, I don't know if like,

I also always think about like moms with postpartum having them, they get like, it's very common. I think to have insane intrusive thoughts. Well, not insane, but like so many intrusive thoughts during that time. It's so scary if you don't know what's going on. I don't know what they did in the 1800s when they didn't have Dr. Drew. Well, they said like, they were like, they shipped them away. They hung them in Salem. Yeah. And they were like, here's a lobotomy. Like,

oh, we've got something just for you. Fresh off the market. I always say they would have killed Mary Beth in like two minutes in Salem. It would have taken her like...

butt five and she would have gone, y'all. She would have said, whatever. I love this. You with nails. Sorry. Wait, these are hard to maneuver. How do you, I'm looking at your nails. I'm like, how do you do this? Mine were so meant for a 12 year old girl, which I think is glamnetic. We got to figure out the nail beds. Is this glamnetic? I think we're glamnetic girls. Well, you know us. We're glamnetic. We're glamnetic. I'm like bugging out right now. I know. I love it.

I'm like freaking the fuck out. I hope this is the most unlistenable episode ever. People are going to be like, what the fuck are they talking about? They're going to go, whoa, I actually had a panic attack. I feel sick to my stomach. Listening. No, I feel at home with you. I feel at home with you too. Yeah, in my heels. In your heels. Oh my God. Speaking of feeling, well, honestly, what I was about to say had nothing to do with feeling at home. I just wanted to switch topics. Same. I love it. We've talked about like,

Salem. Stars Born trailer. Like it's kind of the main things that like for me. Can we talk about Overcompensating? Oh my God, yes. Please. For those who don't know, it is Benny's new Amazon Prime original. Yeah. Okay, you nailed that. Holy shit. Right? Okay, media training. And I didn't even have any. I was just like, I know. Yeah. It stars Kyle MacLachlan, Connie Britton, Benito Skinner, Mary Beth Barone, Kaya Gerber, Owen Thiel. Oh my God.

Okay, IMDb. No, you fucking hate that. Yeah, I'm so excited. I just got back and I play a version of myself, but you're joking. Sorry. I thought I was going to see the bottom of that. I was like, that's my fucking girl. No, but, but,

But yeah, I play a version of myself in the closet. So when we were talking about doing this pod, that's why I was like, I think we have to just be full pop star women. We have to be full pop star. Like, I need to get full makeup on and a wig. Like, it's been a while. But no, it was like a really, truly unbelievable experience. I feel like learned so much about myself and the way I make things. And I was so inspired by working with the cast. And like, yeah, it's just the entire...

Thing feels honestly like I just associated so many times. Yeah. Because I'd be like, I wrote this scene like four and a half years ago and now I'm seeing an actor that I've like respected my whole life doing it and I'm kind of me but not really me and then Mary Beth kind of looks like my sister but it's not really her. It's just, yeah. So it's like a semi-biographical. Yeah, I feel like

I was inspired by like the feelings and what happened in college to me. And then from there, you know, I feel like it's not that interesting to write a character that is someone exactly like, you know, it just, I don't know. They don't like jump off the page and it's not as fun. It's like more fun to think of like, well, here's this new vessel of like an idea that you want or a feeling that you want or a relationship that you want, like build a character out of that. So it's like inspired by a lot of things, but I keep telling people cause they're like,

who's playing me and I'm like no one I don't see oh yeah but then people don't ask I'm like well this one's based off of you just wait how do you get annoyed when someone's like who's playing me well no I get more like I'm like oh it's just not like that I feel like and I just if I was gonna do that yeah I'd probably just tell them

I'd be like, guess who's playing you? Isn't that fun? For my parents, it was just funny to tell them that it was Connie and Kyle, but it's also not them. Were they gagged, though? Oh, yeah. My mom was like, holy shit. I love Connie. Everything. Oh, and they were... Britton. Sorry, I can't first name her. I don't know her. No, you have to. It's just Connie. She's everything. Do you watch Friday Night Lights? Connie, it's simpler. It's cleaner. Friday Night Lights was everything to me, and this show is about me playing football in high school and then not doing it in college and kind of trying to...

I think also kind of like it is the OCD thing of like trying to be perfect. And I thought perfect meant straight. So I would do anything to remain in the closet. Like I did everything to do it. And then I just kind of ran out of ideas because I fell in love with a guy. When did you come out like in real life? I came out when I was 21. Okay. End of college. Wow. Yeah. I really hunkered down in there. You hunkered down. When did you come out?

um to my parents in fourth grade holy shit yeah that's incredible yeah they were lovely that's so beautiful they were lovely but then i asked for a toy right after yeah well of course and my mom said these are nags yeah they're like bring back nags bring back nagging yeah my mom was like what no and then i know something that can make me feel better about being different yeah and she was like well it's better to not involve money yeah and then she's like do you want me to tell uh your dad that we had this conversation i was like i'm pretty sure he can guess yeah

Yeah. No, I think he might know. And then I came out to my peers when I was like 15, 16. That's great. Yeah. That's beautiful. It was...

I mean, it didn't really feel like coming out because I was like flopping around like screaming Beyonce. I know. I probably like honestly I could have. And I think the reaction would have been like, well, duh, you're blasting Gaga. Right. Were you a little monster? Volkswagen bug. You can't imagine the kind of monster I was. I was so like I played bad romance at my birthday party and had to like tell everyone I thought she was sexy. And I think Gaga was gorgeous. But it was just funny because like straight guys saying that to them. That was when she was like Joe Calderon.

Yeah, yes. Which I should have been today, I'm realizing. Oh, Joe Calderon. It was either Serena or Joe Calderon. What was the VMA she did that for again? She presented some award. So something crazy happened at the VMA.

at that. It was, it was the Born This Way when it's the same one that Beyonce announced Blue Ivy. Right. Pregnancy. Yes, yes. And they cut to, they cut to Lady Gaga as she was rubbing her bum. Well, she's the mother. Yeah. But it was so funny because that one, everyone else had kind of entered the Gaga era of like dressing up like in full moments and then all of a sudden Gaga's in boy drag. She's Jill Calderon. She like, she was like, wait, I'm not playing with you. You're going to take my bed. She goes, no, I'm done. I'm not dressing up like popcorn anymore. Oh.

What was your favorite Gaga look back in the day? I knew you'd ask me this. Yeah, I start crying. Okay, the McQueen to the VMAs. I was going to say anything McQueen that she would do was so perfect. Like an armadillo shoes. Like that to me, I remember just being like,

Fucking bitch. We were the one guy in the room who root for her. But I, yeah, that was shocking to me. And what's another look? I loved in the paparazzi music video when she was drinking out of the teacup. She's in like this bee outfit or sorts. Like there's like these small glasses. Skarsgård is the lover in that, which we all forget. I just forgot until you mentioned that. Isn't that crazy? That is crazy. He...

is one of the hottest people because I used to watch True Blood when I was a kid. Oh, you mean porn? Yeah, porn. Yeah, Ryan Quentin on True Blood. I want that. I watched porn. I don't know. I was just like, everyone was begging for Alexander Skarsgård's dick in the show and I was like, so that's what it's supposed to be like. Well, of course. Yeah, it has to be like vampires in the south. Yeah, and bad gangs. That show was everything. Oh, it was so good. And that went right into Hung, which was also my porn. I used to Google Hung sex scenes. Oh,

So I never watched it. There's no singular life. Yeah, there's no singular life. There's no singular experience on Earth. Because once I Googled what that show was about, I was like,

Oh, that's what hung means? Like hung, sex scene. Yeah, I'm tuning in. It took like three seasons to see it, but it was cool to be there for that. Right. It was like the reveal of Gossip Girl. Also like Californication had some cool sex scenes. Oh, Nip Tuck. Nip Tuck had great sex scenes. Yeah. We were raised on like some of the best TV there's ever been. Because like I was raised with like if you go on Pornhub, I was in the PC era, so you will get a virus. So I had to Google like,

Daily motion sex scenes. Oh my God. Mr. Man. Yeah. Totally. Daily motion sex. Of course. Or like Vidster. What is it called? Vidster. Vidster. And then you're like, I don't care what this gives the computer. I'm watching it. I'm watching it. One time I did give my parents a gay virus. Good.

And they said, we don't care what you're watching, but you cannot watch it on the computer because we will get a virus. Which I thought was so amazing of them. What a perfect, wow, I love your parents. Right? They're amazing. Yeah. I want to meet them. Like this. Yeah, they said, my mom would be like, oh, you're amazing. Yes. Mine is just, my parents live in Idaho and they're always like, why aren't you coming home? And I'm just like, what the fuck?

Why am I not coming home? What was it like? Come to me. So were you raised in Idaho? Yeah. So born and raised, same house, like my whole life in Boise, Idaho. I'm sorry, this wig is seriously amazing. Isn't it crass? Like- Look at us. Okay, I just interrupted you. How are my tits sitting? Your tits are sitting amazing. They're good. Because it's like the air is gone, but I kind of like it. I like talking to you in this way. Oh, I'm dripping sweat down my entire body. It feels like we're at a club. No, I am. We are. I almost got poppers, but Louise told me we couldn't do poppers on screen. Oh.

Silencing gay guys. It's crazy. You don't see that every day, but it's scary when you see it. I do. Okay, wait, I'm going to have to skip this. Whoever made this is really good. Manny. Yeah, girl. Okay. Can I have some more red wine? Red wine supernova. That was really good. Fuck. I was like, that's not me. I don't know. Baby can't sleep. Baby, I know. That's not me. Espresso. And then I'd bop around. Yes, that was good. That's what she had. Yes.

Yes, yes. If I was, like, I get it now. I'm like, this is, wearing this, I want to be on stage all day. All day bopping around. You should wear this on tour. I'm giving it to you. Please. I'm putting it in the package. I will wear that on tour. In the package. What? I'm putting it in your bag. Wait, would you be a special guest at my tour? I would die. Louise. Whenever you want. I would die. To come out? Like, would you do, like,

Minneapolis. Like a Philly show? I would love Philly. I love Philly. Okay. Yes. Oh my God. Done. I think that's perfect. You'll actually do Philly? I'll fly you out real nice. Oh God. I'll put you up. Put me up at the top. Oh, thank you, Manny. Philly cheesesteak together. You know, I've never had a Philly cheesesteak in Philly. There's so much. You haven't done drag. You haven't had that. And you know, I've never seen drag race either, which feels wrong.

I think that it's really, this is my new take. I think it's special to have some things you haven't seen yet. I haven't seen Wicked on stage. I can't wait to see it. That's not to say I, it just, we haven't had our moment yet and I can't wait for us to have it. And I can't wait for you to watch Drag Race whenever you want to. Thank you. There's upwards of 500,000 hours of Drag Race out there for you. Well, it's intimidating because they're like, okay, if you watch Drag Race, you have to watch Untucked.

See, that seems like a lot off the top. And I'm like, I can't do all of this. No, let's tiptoe in. All Stars 2 is, I think, some of the best television I've ever seen in my life. Okay, so it's All Stars 2 since season two. Yeah. Okay. It's kind of just unreal. Right. That TV, I remember watching with Terry and being like, this is what TV can be. Right. It's not TV, it's HBO. Do you have a favorite, speaking of TV shows, a favorite TV show since you just made your own?

Oh my God. Some of my favorites. Pen 15, I think is perfect. So I didn't know that stood for penis. Yeah. Yeah. It's as simple as that. Yeah. Sometimes it can be that simple. Well, how long has the show been in creation for? Like,

Like, when did you start? Oh, my God. When did you start pitching it? I'm so curious, honestly. I started pitching it, I think, in 2020. Right. I wrote it in 2019. Okay. The pilot. And then I started working on the second episode once A24, Strong Baby, and Amazon were on. Okay. So Amazon bought it.

And then, um, so kind is a 24. It's gone. It's really good. Well, everyone, I got really lucky. I feel like everyone keeps telling me my showrunner, Scott King keeps reminding me. He's like, it's not the people aren't always this lovely the whole time, but I just feel like the project, I feel really fortunate. And then I feel like it attracted people who wanted to,

tell like kind of like an earnest story like it is a hard comedy but there is like a sweetness to it that I really wanted and I feel like I've I loved about girls and I love about Fleabag and like I just feel like there are so many things on TV that that almost sometimes feel like so snarky which I love that and I love I of course like I think that's amazing but I just don't feel like that felt like me or what I wanted to make so um is yours more like straight comedy with like a bit of heart

Yeah. I don't even know how to describe it. Yeah, it feels like it's really dramatic for sure. But yeah, like a hard comedy. Like we have fun. It feels at times like kind of American Pie. Like we're really going for it. And I think, yeah, because I feel like for it to feel also like me and kind of my sense of humor, like I love a full moment, a full gag. And is it like, can I ask you if it's a half hour or an hour? Half hour. Half hour. Yeah.

hour yeah could you imagine I do an hour long comedy I'm I'm a huge fan of half hours I'm not gonna punish you like that no I've been in my comedy era lately have you ever seen hacks oh I mean fabulous it's my favorite show yeah it's perfect it's perfect well I mean yeah and everyone on that team like I throw up because I literally can't breathe um

Everyone on that team is so brilliant and I know how hard they work and we had a few writers from that writer's room and the writer's room for overcompensating and yeah, it's just, it's like geniuses. Brilliant. I'm like so happy where comedy's going. And you're, me too.

Me too. It's happened a moment. It really is. I mean, you know what I wish was still around with the other two. Oh, also just perfect. Perfect. Yeah. Perfect. Perfect. Also just perfect acting too. Really good acting. Actors and hacks. Like, yeah, I feel like comedy is having like a really nice resurgence because I think people need that little break and that little like, yeah. Okay. Can I ask you this? Would you prefer week to week or binge? I don't know what anything is or what it will be, but I'm just curious like your take on this.

Do you want it all? A binge. I want a binge too. Like I waited for Hacks to all be out. I know. And so I could have my moment. Well, I didn't start Hacks until someone called me and was like, it was after the season three finale. Yeah. And someone was like, I think it was Zach. And he was like, you must watch this fucking show. Yeah. Right now. It's, you are going to be obsessed. And I was obsessed. Yeah. And because it reminds me of Joan Rivers, who I love. Oh,

Raised me. Raised me. Yeah. And then once I got to the end of season three, like that season three finale, I was like, yeah. Because Hannah just, I would. Chew her up. Wouldn't you? Chew her right up. Well, oh, don't say that to me right now. Don't say that to me while I have my contacts in. I forget that you have contacts in. They look so natural. You like me with blue? I love you with blue. I feel like that meme of,

The like Miley Cyrus. Yeah. The like full blue. Yeah. The blue eyes really scare me. The second, maybe that's a little bit of my OCD too is just sheer panic at which eye to look in. Right. I'll never know. Oh, I'm really bad at eye contact. So I go here. Yeah. I feel like I pick one, but then they're like, why, what's going on here? Right. You know, I'm like, okay, well.

I love you. This is so fun. Can you believe we're just sweating out here? No, every part of my body is dripping. My hair is getting attached to everything. Fully felt a drip in my butthole. I can't stress that enough. For sure. I cannot stress that enough. Wait, so did we even talk about you being born and raised in Idaho? Did we even get into that? Oh, I don't think so, but I love that. Okay. We just moved on? Yeah, I love that. We were like, but it's so us that we're just like, yeah, okay. We moved on. It was definitely...

Confusing, I think. And my family is so lovely and amazing. But I think no matter what they were doing in the home, going to school, I learned something completely different. Right. And I went to Catholic school. So, you know, I learned about, like, sodomites in the second grade and, like, being stoned to death. Right. And I'm like, huh. Okay. Yeah. Okay. What? But, yeah, I feel like I...

I was just striving to be like loved so much. That's all I wanted. And I felt like the only way to do that was to like play sports. And I just completely like...

I think I, there's this really amazing book called the velvet rage. And it's kind of like the queer experience of that moment at school when you feel like you're different. And in that moment, I didn't lean into it. I like killed that whole side of me. Right. So I feel like even this is like me getting back into that. Like I still, I don't know. And I picked a boyfriend that also loves that and wants to, and like encourages it. Yeah. But I love Idaho. I think it's a beautiful place. I hate the politics. I think they're disgusting, but yeah,

Yeah. I go back and I see my parents and I love them. Do you have a hometown bar you go to? Mm-mm. So, no. I don't. I really stay in my house and go on walks with my parents.

parents. What like food is Idaho known for? Movies were my like saving grace. Right. Right. Um, what food, uh, French fries, potatoes. Stop. We're the tater state. Is it amazing? Oh, incredible. Like, I mean, honestly, at this point I'm like, come, well, I kind of want to go. I think you have to go come on tour. I mean, they'll go crazy.

Like Boise is not what the rest of Idaho tends to be. Like it's a metropolis. The biggest city in the world. What you said. Sorry, did I just interrupt you? No. I'm like so anxious. I really love you. I love you more. And I'm so happy you're here. So I just hope I'm doing a good job. Me bullying you into a Halloween special? No, no. Like what I told. I'm going to do it. To you.

She is the biggest ride fan. No. Are you serious? Oh my God. She won't even look me in the eye. She won't even look me in the eye. She gave me a talk last night and she goes, do not embarrass me tomorrow. Do not fucking do it. There is no one in this world she loves more than you, Mary Beth, and Terry. Oh my God.

She's a Baroni. Bleep it. Wait, that's so beautiful. Thank you. It's bleep it. Oh my God. Do you know this is the only other podcast I've ever listened to? Therapist? Yes. The only one I've listened to with you and like a few others. I love it. I'll dabble. If like a friend is on one, I'm like, I love it. Oh, and Owen Thiel's new one. Fabulous. Oh, great. He's great. I met him for the first time the other day. He's so lovely. Oh, my baby. And he's an overcompensating. I know. I'm so excited to see him. And his boyfriend, Jared, I think.

I think kind of made all these outfits happen. So it's all kind of a part of the, well, he made, um, yeah, he's Sabrina's stylist. So this is all the ecosystem, but that really means so much. Thank you. I can't believe you listened to us. Just it's gibberish. We're in the car. Wait, can I, can I just say something to you? Us, but we were in school together.

Wouldn't that have been crazy? It would have been crazy because we both. Girls would have been like, in the classroom? We both. Who are they going to sit by? Like, you know what I mean? Not to like gas us up. No, but like. We would have had fun. It would have been a storm. Oh, it would have been crazy. It would have been a hurricane. Yeah. But we both denounced our gayness in different ways. Like I was out. Yeah, wait, tell me about this. But I like, well, what you said where you're like being queer in school and realizing you were different. Like I knew I was gay. It's like never do too much. But I think I.

I still hated it. Like, do you know what I mean? Of course. That's like the whole, I mean, sometimes I still find myself being like, like I remember on my first date with Terry, this is kind of dark, but I was like, oh, his voice is like higher than I thought it would be, which is like sick. Like that's a sickness. And I catch myself thinking that all the time. Yeah. And like, and I honestly am not even scared to say that because that's just like an internalized thing that like I do. It's learned from literally all media. Right. Of like masculinity is the good thing. Right. Femininity is the bad thing.

And I was also a gays girl and I still am. So like I have all girlfriends and to see who their boyfriends are, I'm like, well, that's what I want. Like I want to be. You want to be treated like dirt. Treated like dirt. And like I think I like I didn't have gay friends until.

Like last year. Yeah. Like crazy. Well, I don't know if you felt this. I think because of when I came out, I was the how late it was. I was really intimidated by having gay friends at times because I felt like they were so far ahead of me. And the whole thing felt like a masterclass. I'm like, I just want to like enjoy it. Like, yes. I'm like, what?

everything you're talking about from our childhoods, I loved all of this. Right. We have enough to connect on. You don't have to like tell me all the rules of, of this. You know what I mean? I just felt like it was all being hammered down on me in a way that I was like, I think I do need to learn some of this on my own. And I feel like I couldn't be a part of the group until I knew everything. So I was like, okay, I guess I'll like go back to college and figure it out and figure it out and then be able to, you know,

I get so insecure that I'm not like far enough along the lines of like being gay. Like, you know, not knowing how to be. Isn't it crazy that that's like the thought now that we have of like, God, am I gay enough? No, but like. As I sit here, am I gay enough? Like I can assure you we are. Yeah. Everyone watching is like, yeah. I'm not gay.

No, but like, you know, like it's just like there's so many gay things that I'm like, I just spent my first weekend with poppers. Yeah. Just. And how fun is that? So fun. You can come to it whenever you get to it. But like gay sex is confusing. Yeah. It's all confusing and it's like,

I, and like sometimes, I don't know. It's just hard. Yeah, it is hard. And I think it's like also you see like how gay people are reflected in culture sometimes. You're like, oh, do I have to be that in order to be the thing that you want me to be? Or then, you know, I don't know. Then you see other things where it's like still the like deep voice and masculinity is so like idolized in so many ways. And I'm like, God, I just, what do you want? What am I supposed to want? I want to get this out of my brain. Like I want to just be able to.

be everything I am and feel good enough in that, but it's sometimes... I think so... This is just the queer experience, I think. It's comforting to hear other people be like, no, same. Yeah. But I...

I just, I think what I really internalized was like, okay, so like the gay best friend trope in media, it's like, okay, so there can only be one gay person in the friend group. Well, of course. So I found myself. Only one gay person can have a special. Right. Almost hating gay people because I wanted to, I was so insecure in my position as the gay friend. Of course. Do you know what I mean? And it's like, now I have so many gay friends. My best friends are gay and it's amazing. And like, I'm

I'm like, where have you guys been all my life? Cause we can actually talk about things that I had to Google on Reddit before. Yeah. You know, that girls were teaching me and I was like, I think that's wrong. We have an episode of that in over common city where it's like, Oh, I don't know if that was what I needed to do, but thank you for like doing the research for me. Yeah.

Yeah, I... Oh, my God. I so feel that. Like, truly in every way. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I feel like that's where, like, the gay competition kind of comes from. It's because everyone wants their girlfriends, everyone wants to be accepted, but then, like... You get scared. We still feel like we're going to be rejected, I think, and that there can only be one where it's, like...

That's just not, I, it's interesting. Mary Beth had a friend and, and he was an actor and he was straight and all of his friends, they were so excited for each other with the roles they were getting. And I was like, whoa. Yeah. I just, my brain couldn't even comprehend that. I was like, it's so not, I think how like queer people and straight women would come to that. I think we would immediately be like, fuck. Think about it. It's like one less role. I'm scared. I won't be able to like pay rent. You know, it's like, we're all like, well, you got it because you're more like lovable and prettier and better. It's,

but he's so, it just completely like didn't care. We're just excited for his friends. And I'm like, Oh, I wish it could be like that. I just feel like media did make it seem like it couldn't be. It couldn't be. But I do think we are getting to a place now where it can be, but yeah. Oh my God. They're like, yeah, it just feels like there can only be one at all. And then if that one is there that we have to like slaughter them.

Right. You know, which is. And I think it's like the same thing with like women as well. Yeah, of course. It's like the same. I don't know. Straight men have it so fucking easy. I'm sorry. Two women just talking it out right now. Yeah, like really talking it out. There can be multiple pop girls. That's what we're proving today. That is what we're proving today. You know what? I think that's what this summer proved. I agree. It was beautiful to see. Can't multiple people have a moment? And all three of them had a moment. Yeah. Charlie. And rooted for each other in the moment. It was beautiful to see. This summer was one of the best summers of my life.

I was on set a lot. So I don't know if it registered as a summer. Okay. Totally. So you should maybe go to Australia for a second. I have to. Or like Terry and I were like, should we take a weekend trip? And I'm like, we're pathetic. It's like, we just need longer than that. Right. Yeah. No, it was a perfect summer. It was brat summer. It was brat summer. Can you believe it? I just didn't like hook up with people. But I started prep. Amazing. Great. Love it.

Love it. Love it. Fabulous. So that was like, okay. Sabrina's on PrEP. I'm being, I'm being Brad. Sabrina, Sabrina Garbinder being like, I love PrEP. I love PrEP.

I do think Sabrina would be like, oh, I love gay porn. Yeah, she would. She'd be like, oh, that's so fun. Yeah, she'd be like, you guys, you got it. I love that. And just like go out there and have like great, like consensual safe sex. It's so fabulous. Like what's cooler than that? Let's get through it. I do feel like I'm getting to the bottom of some things right now. I feel a little more hurt and understood. It's just, yeah. Who is yelling? Oh, well, you know that someone's here getting face tape put on. So I can't stress enough that.

someone's turning into a different person. I'm really excited to see this person. We're going to meet someone very... Yeah. Every now and then a contact goes in the wrong way, so it's fully blurry, and I'm like, oh, I'm going blind. Right. And I'm like, worth it. It was worth it for this. This is, like, the most I've ever talked about gay culture ever. Well, that... I'm honored. I wonder why. The only way we can figure stuff out, and, like, it feels, like, almost like we should be able to, like, ask questions and, like... Well, I just don't think hating each other is helping. Right. So that, to me, I'm like, oh, I just...

I don't know. It feels a lot better to like root for other queer people. Right. And be excited by that. And I don't think it's threatening. I think it's exciting. And I think if then, if something also like, if someone queer in media is doing something that feels like harmful, I think that's also like a moment for conversation. Right. And change. And I don't know. Yeah. I feel like, yeah, I think we could change the world.

But like, I feel like sometimes like, oh wait, can I hit my puff? I'm so sorry. I need a, I'm drunk and I need it. No, you have to. Chapel needs her puff. You can't understand how drunk I'd be if I finished that. Oh, I'm on my second class. Full hot sweat. I'm wondering, do you think any of the Powerpuff Girls puff? Oh, of course.

I think Bubbles. No, Bubbles is smoking like. Oh, I bet like Chapel Charlie Sabrina. Immediately I'm like, let's talk cartoons. Oh my God. Well, I know Charlie smokes just raw dog cigs. Yeah. Sabrina. I think there's no freaking way. There's no way. Chapel.

Yeah. I think at the club. Maybe not consistently though. Right. Her vocals require like some like hardcore singing. But you know she didn't have singing lessons until she was like until like a few years ago. I don't know if that's fake news but like that's what I read. There's something crazy about me. I just found out about singing lessons. I didn't know this was like a thing. No, it's a thing. I thought you're just like you have an incredible voice or you don't. It's to me singing lessons are like improv classes. Like you can't like teach. I go...

You can't teach. I mean, I guess you can. At a certain point, it's like you're kind of walking in with what you've got. And now let's like, so like in Ariana Grande, she's doing vocal lessons and it's like, you're already a prodigy. Let's make you better. Like breath control. Okay. Are the bones there? Yeah.

Bones are good. And the bones are good. Great. I love that song. Oh, me too. I love Maren Morris. The bones are good. I loved her skirt moment. I thought that was iconic. Yeah. And the way she's handled. She's a total legend to me. How'd she handle that? I think she's just like posting about it and she's like this fucking skirt, which I think is amazing. It's like, God damn it. Yeah. I love it. I didn't know she was a country singer. Well, kind of both almost, right? I mean, the middle. Can I just say that? The middle. Yeah. I said it. I don't fucking care. Not only the middle, but middle. Yeah.

Middle. You in the middle. Do you remember that one? Right. Right.

You know what I mean? Well, that was good. That was good. Vocal coach. So the bones are there. The bones are there. I love watching vocal coaches on YouTube. What is Jake Shane watching on YouTube? I don't watch YouTube. Or like, what do you watch? What are you watching? Okay. I got to know this. Okay, so right now. I think you watch everything in a way. Right, I do. I just finished English Teacher. I can't wait to watch. Amazing. I'm going to binge it all. Amazing, amazing. Brian Jordan is incredible.

Yeah, it's Brian Jordan Alvarez. Someone in Toronto said that I was him. They're like, oh, I love your work, Brian Jordan Alvarez. And I was like, okay, so, but white gays, totally, but just, we couldn't look less alike. Like, you guys don't look alike at all. No, at all, but I'm like, I love that for you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. But the English teacher is amazing. Oh, he's brilliant. He's brilliant. It's, there's,

two more episodes left of season one, so if you want to wait to binge, there's... I think I'm going to because it'll be like magical for me. I know it will. There's this character in episode five, you will die. You'll see. Guys, pay attention to media. You guys got to know this stuff. She's amazing, but they both put me on to English Teacher. Oh, I'm so excited. It's amazing. If I could properly turn, I would look at you in the eye and say, that's amazing. But I'm watching English Teacher. I just watched English Teacher. I'm watching...

slow horses right now. Okay. I might stop it to watch industry. Oh my fuck. Industry is so good. I'm so obsessed. I haven't seen the new season yet. Apparently it's the best season on TV right now. They don't play any games. They don't. And I watched season one in 2020 and then season two didn't come out forever because it was 2020. And then I lost track. And then all of a sudden everyone's like,

industry industry Kit Harington and I'm like he's in industry now like oh yeah big daddy I guess I gotta check it out I never watched Game of Thrones are you mad no I understand it's just again it's like it's intimidating but I think I'll get to it like I went my whole life not watching Lord of the Rings until like three years ago I never saw Lord of the Rings are you mad no not at all you're gonna have an amazing Christmas is it good yes I watched it with Terry's mom it was literally like all through it's amazing it's incredible it doesn't really pique my fancy I think it like could really what's it about can I just say something Liv Tyler

She's in it. It's about this fellowship of just guys getting the band back together and just figuring stuff out. Really?

Really? That's what it is. It's just like a group of guys with a similar mission all come from different, alike in dignity, in Verona, Halsey's hopeless fountain kingdom. Is that what that was called? Yeah. Like that's kind of the vibe. I don't know. It's like elves and there were a bunch of wars. I didn't totally get all of it. Right. But I had such a good time and I love Viggo Mortensen. So that was me with Game of Thrones. It's like, I'm not really understanding what's going on. Once season six hits. Okay. So basically here's my thing with Game of Thrones. So,

seasons one through four or five, whatever. People talk real nasty ill on those last seasons. Whoa. Okay, so the one before the final season. I'm not being an actor or writer about that. Oh, I know. It's rough. So hateful. I mean, it wasn't great.

It wasn't great. And another one added to it. It wasn't awesome just because like, I'm not going to spoil it for you. You could and I would forget. Okay. I know the Red Wedding. It's like, it's total black. Okay. So I didn't even like, I was so like not paying attention while that happened that I was like, oh. Yeah. You know, like, and then I was like the Red Wedding. I'm like, did I watch that? When was that? When was that? They're like, all your favorite characters died. Because the only person I cared about was Daenerys. Oh.

She's the only one. She lived. She lived to tell the tale. Or did she? She was the dragon tamer, right? She was the dragon tamer. She's the only one in the show I rooted for because I'm pretty sure the kingdom was us going, was she the dragon tamer or what? Because we're like, gays should have more rights. We're like, fuck. Yeah, like, fuck my fucking breasts. Okay, but yeah. She's the best character in that show. She's amazing. And the only reason I watched that show was for every time she was like,

with a dragon. And so like everything else, I was like, snooze. Unless it was like, unless it was, hate it. Yeah, unless it was like Aria. Like I fucked with Aria a lot. Yeah. And Sansa. Like I really fucked with her. I know that I fuck with Sansa. Yeah, she's everything. I think I know who that is. Queen of the North. Totally. I love her. Yeah. You know what? It's kind of like industry to me in that way of like, I, I, I love all the drama. The second they start talking finance, I'm, I'm looking at my phone. Right, but. I don't know what they're talking about. There is one episode of industry about finance that I was like, oh,

Do you remember the episode where... Stocks can go like that. Where she was... I forget the name. The market can change on a dime. On a fucking dime. And that is something I learned. That's that meat espresso. That whole album, honestly. Right? It's just such a joy. It's such a fucking joy. Does it feel like she made it in two minutes? And I say that with... Like, that's the best albums to me right now, where it's just like, this was so fucking easy and delicious. Thank you, Nat. Exactly. And I know it took...

so long in like absolute geniuses. I don't know if Thank You Next took that long because she did Sweetener and then right after she did Thank You Next. Oh, I do remember that time. So like sometimes like the best, like there isn't. What a crazy time to be an Ari fan. That was nuts for them. Yeah. And I'm such an Ari fan. I really like, I love the work, but like the stand stands, that must've just been a fucking crazy year. I mean, when you're a stand. I joined them in the middle. I will say that. And you're like, you're the person you're standing is like on top. Like. Me during Chromatica? Give me a break. Full,

Full body fucking chills. Meet us during Brat Summer? Give me a break. I mean, come on. What a huge win for the girls. Like, I just remember the day Brat came out and I was like, things are different now. Do you know what I mean? Like, I was in New York and Louise was like- Remix album? Can I just say? I snuck a little listen to her. Well, this will come out post-remix album, so. Oh, I mean, dear God. It's that good? Yeah. It's like, I love it as much as I love Brat. It's nuts. I'm so curious to see who's on the I Think About It All the Time remix.

I think you're going to be really happy. Like, I'm so happy that, or I'm going to be so happy that song was like, because I remember her describing it in the therapist's office and then like actually getting to listen to it. I was like, yeah. Great episode, by the way. Thank you. My favorite episode of television. Really? Thank you so much. I was so scared shitless. I was so intimidated. I've never been so intimidated. Well, Charlie looks at you like this while you tell the story.

Yes, yes, yes. And I'm like, am I cool? No, exactly. I'm like, are you liking it? Yeah, like, do you like it? And then once she laughs, you're like, okay, gotcha. And then she goes, gotcha. And I'm like, yes, thank fucking God. No, she's incredible. The two of you together, what a force. What a force. No, she is just, but what's your favorite song off Brat? It changes so often. Right now. It was actually funny. I...

I heard 360 a long time... Like, she had made that a long time ago. And I think I've probably listened to it 20,000 times. I just think it's a perfect, easy... It's, like, so tight. And it has no... Like, it's just a perfect song. So I love that song. I think Everything is Romantic is, like, unbelievable. Me too. And when that starts playing...

everything is sometimes when back to back plays I'm like I could kill someone someone I don't know someone who's done something really fucked up to one of my girls I used to listen to back to back in the airport I know Apple's the airport song but I would listen to back to back in the airport and I'm just strut around yeah cause they would be walking past the Lego store at JFK yeah it's like I don't know what but you know what I mean yes what's your favorite airport snack

Oh my God. Well, Shake Shack. I'll just go fucking ham in an airport. Or like Wetzel's. Get your tits up. I love Wetzel's pretzels at LaGuardia. I don't know if they have them in LaGuardia. No, the new one's fabulous. Really? That's what I heard, but I'm traumatized from the old one. I landed. I felt like I was up in the air with George Clooney. I was like, this is so fabulous. Do you know what I mean? I love him so much. But JFK, I'm like, could all these things be farther apart? Yeah.

Right. You're crazy for this. I hate JFK. It's so big. I also hate LAX. Yeah. I don't. I like Newark a lot. I like European airports. Really? Me looking like this going, I like Europe. I just do. I like all the shopping there. Okay. I like Heathrow. I'm at a mall. I like Heathrow. Heathrow, I'm like, I didn't know I was at a shop. I'm at the Mall of America. This is incredible. I hate the Paris airport though. Charles Seagal.

The set of Von Dutch. It's the set of Von Dutch. That's where they shot Von Dutch, huh? Yeah. I think it's the first music video ever shot there. Are you serious? Yeah. Why did they shoot it there?

Paris, bruh, fucker. Fucker. You know what I mean? I don't know exactly, but it's beautiful. It almost looks like you can't place what time it was made. I don't know. It has like a modern, but also early 2000s, but also like kind of like, I don't know. It feels like the 70s too. Well, talk about far apart. Everything is far apart at that airport. It was really hard for me. But there is a Chanel. Chanel.

You know what I mean? Like that's what's cool. I think I did shop at Hermes there once. Not to be like. I can see that. I can picture that. And I bought a tie that's still in the box. Are you getting bitten alive out here? I can't even tell you the sweat. Yeah. So I'm the sweat tour. You are the sweat tour. Yeah, we are the sweat tour. And you've been to the sweat tour. Yeah. Have you gone yet? I can't go. I'm on tour.

you're literally on your own sweat tour no i'm on my own sweat tour what's your tour called thera plus live perfect and no one's gonna say a perfect name no one's gonna be sweating because the ac is gonna be on full blast like i can't i hate oh do you know how hard it is to have okay so this is good you do your podcast alone uh-huh because marybeth bro do i do my podcast with um she is so goddamn cold like she'll turn blue so it's either i'm red or she's blue so we just trade off okay but let

Let me just say, when you are cold, you can always add layers. That's what I'm saying. When you are hot. I say put on a coat, baby. Put on a coat. Put on a blanket. I've got tons of coats. I've got tons of jackets. What am I going to do? Be naked? That's not fair. Uh-uh. It's not fair. And then the shame. No one's going to shame you for being cold. The shame people get. This was so hard. I had just got to Toronto where we shot Overcompensating. And I'm like hanging out with the cast.

And someone in the cast were at this bar. And you know, sometimes just outside of America, it's like, oh, we don't do AC here. Right. It's just random. They'll just be like, no, sorry. I'm like, it's 90. What do you mean? Right. So I'm inside. And then a cast member looks at me and he goes, it is really hot in here, isn't it? I was like, I can't believe you just did that to me.

I was just like, that's the meanest thing anyone's ever done to me in my life. Because I had full drip sweat. I'm like, you have sweat shamed me in a way I can't even talk about. I have to go. I went to the bathroom. I put napkins on my head. All my bronzers coming off. It's just a total mess. I was embarrassed. You can't sweat shame someone. No, that's my, that's so fucked up. Speaking of things that make you angry, I would like to ask you before we get into the tell me what's wrongs. I can't wait. What are you therapist about today? What am I therapist about?

I had this thought today in meeting you. Sometimes Mary Beth and I talk about this where we'll meet someone and I'm like, if anyone has ever been mean to you or spoken ill, it makes me so mad. And I like feel sick in my stomach. But I think that's because I'm a Scorpio. I'm a Scorpio! Literally, wait, that's amazing. I've never hit

Wait, oh my God, what day? October 27th. November 3rd. Oh, you're a November Scorpio. Don't even start. You don't even know what that means. Oh. You don't even know what that fucking means. Oh, what a story. I listen to the Charlie up. You're not even that into it. What? You think I'm a Charlie up?

You thought I didn't acknowledge the work. I'm acknowledging the work. I listen. Terry's a Scorpio too. Oh my God. Yeah. When's his birthday? Well, this is so funny because I say this to people and then immediately they're like, you're fucking sex. And I'm like, we're at lunch. You're being crazy. He's the 12th. Of November. Yeah. Oh my God. So you're both November Scorpios. Yeah. Is there something about that? November Scorpios are, just from my experience, intense. Okay. Yeah.

And you know what? I'll take that. Terry's way more intense than me, though. You guys don't strike me as like, I thought Terry was like a cancer, maybe. Whoa. I'm honestly just saying words. Well, I'll change this afternoon when you see something. Oh, boy. Yeah. You're about to see something that'll really change your mind on him being cancer. Okay. He's so not, which is so funny. He's like the intense Scorpio. I think I'm the slightly more personable one. But are you that social? Yeah, because I'm Gemini Rising, Gemini Moon. Oh.

- Oh, okay. - I like socialize. - Gemini moon. - Your Gemini moon? - Capricorn rising. So that's why I'm like-- - Oh, so that's why you're so regimented. - I think so. If I don't work, I'm like, well, you know. - What's the point in living? - Well, I'm just kind of like, I'll get in trouble. - Right. - I think I'm, I always think I'm about to get in trouble. - I have a crazy fear of getting in trouble. - Yeah, it's like when people are like, can I talk to you for a sec? I'm like, what? Oh my God. - All right, when people attempt to be Jake.

Follow it up now. Oh, if you don't have it ready to go in your notes app, don't even send it. Like, what's wrong with you? Come on. Dude, come on. I hate getting in trouble. I hate to go to the principal's office. Yeah. I'm so anxious about getting in trouble at all times. We did that to kids so much. It was so like, you're in trouble coded. Right? Like, why? That's my big statement of the day. It's so, you're in trouble coded. Did you, okay, like, what was the craziest thing you went to the principal's office for? Oh my God. I drew devil horns on this guy who kept on a card that was going out to like, I think like a,

a convent honestly and I drew devil horns on him because he kept calling me circle because I could never be straight

And I was just like, yeah, eat my dick, Daniel. I just fucking defaced you on this card. And you went to the principal's office for that? And I went to the principal for that. Well, they were doing this thing of whoever does it, we're not going to recess until you come forward, which was so fucked up. That's like not, and then it makes everyone hate you. And I'm like, I volunteer as tribute. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, fine, fuck, it was me, duh. Yeah, so that, what about you? I once called my math teacher girl. Well, there it is. And he said, I am not your girl. And I said, okay.

Not now. Maybe you are. You said not now. But maybe you are. But the way you responded to that got me thinking. But I think there were some other things I went to the principal's office for that. I can only imagine us together in the principal's office. What? Like I. That's what we say. What? Should we get into the tell me what's wrongs? Yeah. Okay. Okay.

Can I just say, this really inspired me to go back in Sabrina's last album, which I loved, but I just... Jesus Christ. Hit after hit, skinny dipping? Imagine making that song. Don't even fucking get me. It was a Wednesday. She's got bars at the top. And I was like, why do people... Oh, God. Here he comes.

Here she comes in a lot of ways. Here she comes. There she blows. It would be a coffee shop, oat milk latte. Can you believe you haven't seen my nipple this whole time? I don't think, have you guys seen my nipple? I guess my hair would be covered. No, I literally thought that while you were talking once. I go, we're both wearing strapless. I don't know what girls are complaining about. Right, oh my goodness. Oh, this is off that. Oh, we'll fix that. We'll fix her. Before the photo story. Wait, hold on. Oh.

We'll do a zhuzh. I have to air something out. Let's just say that. Wait, so when did you start making your videos? I started making my videos when I was...

I had just graduated college, so it would have been like 2016. That's when you started making that. Yeah, but I had started making tub smashes in college, and that was me tiptoeing out of the closet. And then I started writing characters and sketches while I was working for a startup editing their videos. And I would spend all day just editing my – you petting your face. I can't deal. It feels really good. No, I know. I keep saying, oh.

But yeah, I, and I would make like two videos. I mean, I was just like pumping them out and it was so, I felt like this. Did you get burnt out though at one point? Not really, not for a while because I think I was just so like,

I just still can't believe I get to do any of this. Right. Like, I guess growing up in Idaho, I had no, there was like no North star of like that. This could even be a thing that I could ever want, you know? And, and so I think like, it was funny. My sister was talking to me the other day and she's like, she said that she had started crying. Cause she's like, I knew that that's what you always wanted. I just also had like no idea how you would ever be able to do that. Like, and I just, yeah, I didn't know anyone who had done it. There wasn't, um, was,

Was there a video that you were like, oh, things are changing, things are different? I made a, I did a Kim Kardashian Snapchat video.

I remember that. Yeah. And that was like, I remember seeing that and it was popping up on Facebook and other places than where I had posted. So that was the first, I guess like semi viral thing that I had done. And then, and at the time I was like, Oh, I feel like there's a lot of Kardashians in media. Like people probably, they won't want me to do this or like their fans will be mad at me or they'll be mad if God forbid they ever see it. Um, and it was the complete opposite. Like people were like so into it and I loved writing for it. It was like writing for the character that I had made them. Right. And that's what I've always tried to do. It's like,

if I'm going to be someone, I like, I like there to be a game of the scene. Like I, I think it's funnier to do like an internet persona of someone. Right. I'm not really interested in doing like their actual lives. Right. So I'm not going there. I don't need to talk about, talk about that. But,

But, um, but yeah, like, you know, for example, I was like, oh, it'd be funny to write Shawn Mendes as like the guy, your sister brings home as he's so earnest, you know? And like, so I don't know, it's like that guy, but not that like I've ever met Shawn or, you know, or in that way. But, um,

Your Sean is so good. Oh, thank you. I loved being him and he was like very sweet about it. I'm sure. He's just, yeah, he seems like a very sweet man. Angel. But, um. Do you have a favorite video? Oh my God. I love being Deliverance Richards. That kind of like, I was getting a little tired of doing it. I felt like I had made so many. Um, and it was just a little bit of like the, you know, feeding the beast. And I was like, oh, I need to like enjoy it again. Yeah.

And Terry and I went to my sister's house that she had just gotten. And I was like, I have this real estate character. I just want to see her. And I was like, I want to make a sign. I want to get a billboard because I feel like during the holidays people are sad. And if they drive by, like maybe they'll just laugh for five seconds. Yeah.

But so she kind of revived me, I feel like. Your hair cutting one? Oh, my God. Well, that's it. Jenny, you're kind of giving, this is her cut. Those are her bangs. Yeah, like that is like. That's Jenny. She's like. That was like, that to me, I had just done all the horoscopes. Uh-huh. And I think that was probably the most like viral thing I had done. Or like a queer eye parody. Right. And then I made Jenny at the start of the pandemic. And I feel like she. She resonated. That made me so happy. And then being mean to Terry's mom, I think are my favorite. Because I get to hang out with.

Right. Oh, God, they're so good. They're so original. They're so, like, they're classics. It's been a while, honestly. This is, like, my first costume I put on in a bit. Do you think you'll, now that you have, like, a TV show and you have all these things going on, you have the podcast, like, do you think you'll continue to do more? Or, like... I think...

I don't know if it would be more. Yeah. Like, as far, you know, never as much as I was doing. Right. Because that was, like, oh, my God. How many would you pump out a week? Well, I used to do, I think once we got to, like, one a week, I was like, this is kind of sustainable, but not even. And I'm also, like, I just don't think this is how I would consume comedy. Right. This is so much. Yeah. I was like, I wouldn't watch this, even if I was, like, so obsessed with someone. Right. I would never want this many videos. Right.

so I absolutely think I would, I think it'd be so fun to dip back into that. I love how quick it is. I think obviously the process of a TV show is so long and that can be a good thing, but it, it is really nice to be like, I have this idea on a Monday and it's out on a Friday. Right. It's done. Um,

And I, yeah, I mean, I'll never get rid of my girls. Right, they're your girls. But I would love to do like a more like, I don't know, heightened version of one of them for something. Like, I love Deliverance Richards. Deliverance Richards is? She's Miss Girl. She would love to play with you. She would. Trust. She would. She's a therapist-y in a huge way. She definitely is. She listens to it on her drive to work. Of course. That and Caroline Polachek. We made her a Caroline Polachek fan. In one video, it made no sense. But now Terry and I are like, well, that's lore. That is lore. And it makes sense. Yeah.

Speaking of which. We have a special guest. You've already had Charlie on your show. That's crazy. She's back so quick. Oh, I think we have someone else. Charlie. Charles DeGaulle. Uh-oh. Look who's here. Come take a seat. Shocking. This is my first time seeing this. Well, Brat Summer, not even close to over. We know that. Hi, Charlie. Hi.

You look amazing. So do you. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Well, finally. Yeah, no, it's fine. It's supposed to be there. Finally, the Powerpuff Girls are all together. Yeah, the Powerpuff Girls. And that feels really good. It feels good. It's like kind of of nightmares in a perfect way. Right. Do you know what I mean? It's like your sleep paralysis demon. Yeah. Guess who? When you sleep with your ex, this is what you come home to. You see us. Yeah. You go, huh. You have a good night? Yeah.

We need to give you a cigarette if I'm having a special... Oh, someone get Charlie a cigarette, please. And light it. Fuck. Whoa, okay, the makeup is like... This is shocking. Really good, right? It's really good. You really do look like her. Thanks. One thing when I'm a woman is I don't speak. Oh, okay. I just sort of... You look. Okay. Do you find... How's your conversation going? Oh, we talked about... I could talk to Jake forever. Yeah. Do you understand? Totally. Yeah.

We've had a good time. I have to take like I used to talk to you. I'll just say that. Your hair's deflated a little. Oh, is it? No, photos after this. These photos are going to be specific. You're very fresh. We're going to have to do a little. I have water in my pussy. It's not even sweat anymore. I'm sitting on my balls. They are so far up my asshole. I don't even know where my shaft is. And that's what's cool. It's retracted. That's how Sabrina starts her show. I don't even know where my shaft is.

Fuck. There's your drink. All right. Cheers, girls. Cheers. Wait. Oh, did someone get the point of this? Cheers. Sorry, I'm obsessed with these mics. They're cute, right? I can't stop. I'm so, I love it. Red wine supernova. She'll take it down to the bottom. Can I have some more wine? That's my girl. Chapel needs a little more. Sorry, that's my girl. Is that real wine? Uh-huh.

How's she doing? She's good. She's good. She's really good. She's good. I said if I finished that, I would just like throw up. Is it an espresso martini? Well, of course. Perfect. Well done. Yeah. Well done. That's that Mia espresso. Okay, so do you guys know about the Tell Me What's Wrongs? Of course.

I was hooking up with this guy, and when he started talking to me, he said, once we start having consistent sex, you'll be the only person I hook up with. Now he's being manipulative, saying all I want is sex. Like, yeah, duh, that's the point in this. Whoa, that was prose. You know what? I have to say. It sounds like she's being manipulative. Right, but he said to her, like, once... She's a total sex demon. Yeah, like, she's... She's obsessed with sex. She said it. He said, once we start having consistent sex, like, you will be...

So she's like all, wait, I love, do you know what this one time I heard about this thing? Oh my God, there's dog fights. Jake has dog fights at his house. Very Michael Vick. Do you remember Michael Vick? Before his time. That was such a thing. Who's Michael Vick? I don't know. It was like a football scandal. So here's the thing. Oh, I remember. Here's my thing. I love, I'm really respectful.

I'm like, I'm corseted. We have to finish. We have to finish. So here's my thing. What I love about her is that I, there was a slogan. I don't know where I heard it from, but a straight guy said this once. And I think about it all the time where it says a woman has two jobs. I caught that. Do you remember? What'd you say? You thought about it all the time. Dude, come on. Dude, come on. Brad Summer's alive and well. It's Brad Autumn. It's Brad Autumn. It's Brad Autumn, bitch. A woman has two jobs to keep.

her husband's sack empty and his stomach full. A straight man said this once. So I love that she's punishing that. Like, that's amazing. Just like, I'll fuck you to death until you date me. It's so amazing. Like, watch me. You want to call me your girlfriend? You're gonna. I'm gonna fuck you all day. I'll suck the cum out of you. Yeah. Sabrina Carpenter says, good, go for it. That's amazing.

That's amazing. Sabrina approved. No, Sabrina's like, I say we prescribe Juno by Sabrina Garpinder. Oh, totally. When she says, I'm so fucking horny, people...

People haven't said stuff like that in a while. No, they haven't. God, it feels good. It feels good. I love her, but I think love shouldn't be that hard either. A good guy wouldn't do all that. Right? I just don't think it's ever meant to be that hard. He's giving manipulative, not her. She's like, I'm just doing what you asked. Once we start having consistent sex, you'll be the only person I have sex with. Okay, so consistent sex it is. You said fuck you to death. Yeah. Here you go. Here you go.

Please help. My friends from college and I are going on a bar crawl for Halloween. Already don't do that. We've been sending our costumes in a group chat and getting excited. However, one of my friends has a boyfriend who has been making comments that our costumes are too slutty and saying we can't post any pictures with her dressed like that because people will think he and her broke up. It's making us feel uncomfortable and I'm not sure what to do. He's done. Tell her he sucks. You don't control my costumes.

Right? No. You get to look as... Put into the mic, Charlie. Fuck, sorry. It's not auto-tuned. She won't do it. Yeah. Slutty or as tasteful as you want. That's not fair. It's sort of a spectrum right here. This boyfriend feels like a fucking nightmare. I completely agree. It's like... He's canceled. You're pressed on something. You need to figure that out. I agree. Also, be whatever the hell you want to be for Halloween. The boyfriend's going to be insecure. Also, that is so not...

King. Oh, sorry. It's not. No, you're a small man. I don't want to hear it. You're small. Small dick too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like he thinks she can get a better dick somewhere else and she probably can. Yeah. He's scared. He's threatened. He's threatened. Kings don't do that. They'll let you wear whatever you want. Yeah. I have very protective parents. Whoa, hate this. And when me and my friends were at a Halloween party, it got shut down by the cops who specifically asked for me. Oh, no.

The whole school found out my dad called them just because he was worried and it was so embarrassing. Now I'm scared to show my face at any party this year. I would be too. Fuck. Drop out of school. Move. I would be so embarrassed. You have to go against your parents and be like, fuck them. I'm not telling them what I'm doing anymore. No, be a rebel. Be a rebel. Wait, so the dad ratted her out? Yeah. Be a rebel heart.

That's a nightmare. And like, it'll, you'll be over it in college, but like it might stay in high school for a minute. I agree. Well in college, but keep bringing it up as Scorpios. I think it's important just to remember everything. Oh,

Also, it's like, dad, you did that to me. I'm going to embarrass you later. Also, as a comedian, like the only way you can take back control of this whole narrative is to be self-deprecating. So start making fun of yourself and the situation. Oh my God. Forcing them at school. Like, I guess my dad will call again. Yes. Yes. And they're like, wait, will he actually? Literally. Yeah, I bet he would. Yeah.

I went to jail. I went to jail, Carly. Yeah. I had parents that maybe would have done that. Oh, 100%. But I didn't have enough friends in high school. Right. Same. To throw a party, like, couldn't have been me. Was not me. My parents were, like, super chill because I would be like, Your parents are giving keys in a bowl. Sorry. What is keys in a bowl? It's like,

Well, you grew up in New York, so no one was driving, but it's like they would be fine if you drank. You just have to put keys in a bowl. You can't drive home. Right. My parents were not fine with me drinking, but they were fine with me being gay and stuff. That's nice.

The hot rods are out. They know the girls. They can smell us. Have you guys ever seen Fast and the Furious? Well, of course. Neither have I. I think my hair is falling. It's deflating a little. It's deflating a little bit, but we'll fix it before the photos, right? I think we'll do a touch-up. Are you kidding? Of course. Okay. We'll do a major touch-up. Yeah, I have to fart. Like, I'll be totally real with you. I have to wipe my ass and then we can take photos.

Cool. I was looking for deodorant. Sorry, Jake. Sabrina's crass. I never said she wasn't. No, she is, and that's what makes her her. I was looking for deodorant in my boyfriend's car while he was getting gas. I found a used bloody condom in the back seat. I immediately got... That's prat.

Right? That's kind of rough. Everything is romantic. Everything is romantic. When you think about it. So I actually have a fear of bloody condoms because in sex ed class in ninth grade, our sex ed teacher told us he once came in a condom and it was too close to the tip of his penis that he shot out blood.

So I've been scared of bloody... Are you sure? Absolutely positive. He said, one time I had sex and I said, hold on. Your sex ed teacher. Well, he was a senior. And I said, now hold on. Hold on. No, hold on. He's like, one time I was having... Was this a friend? No, he was our peer leader. Oh, dear. And he was giving us sex and they were like, you're gonna... And he was like... Or he was giving us sex ed. So he was giving us sex. It sounds like he's crossing a few boundaries. And he said that he came and the condom was too close to the tip, so he shot out blood. And so this is what this is reminding me of. I've never...

So to me, I'm hearing like maybe had sex with someone who was on their period? Is that what? I heard that. Like cheating? You heard shot blood at me at penis. So is there a cheating allegation? She said I immediately confronted him about it and he pretended he had no idea how it got there and even went as far as to pretend he didn't know what it was and lied for a solid five to ten minutes until he actually fessed up about cheating on me. So just dump it.

But I would have loved to have watched him lie about that. Right? What is that? What could that have been? Oh, a bloody condom. God, that's like, yeah. I mean, yeah, just, was there advice they wanted? Like, yeah, dump him. Don't stay with him. Right, sometimes the advice is just as simple as that. Sometimes they sort of like solve their own problems. They just wanted you to know, which I love. Right. Right, totally. Chapel's like, right? Yeah.

Oh, this is a good question. Yeah. I have been dating my boyfriend for five years, and for the past few months, I literally have not been able to stop thinking about a boy I hooked up with once when we were on a break. I literally have dreams about us and can't stop picturing us together. But I'm also in love with my boyfriend. IDK if this is a situation where I want what I can't have or what, but it's eating me alive. There is something to say, which is when Ben first came on my radar...

I was with someone else. Whoa, we're going to talk about this? Charlie? Yeah, I am. Charlie, we're really going to talk about this? When I saw him, though, I was like, and then I was like, I have to wrap this situation up and immediately make myself available. Right. And, sorry, it's been eight years, so. You did the right thing. That's maybe my prescription. Yeah, it's wrapping it up. Wrap it up, girl. Wrap it up, not too tight or you'll shoot up blood. Yeah, oh, God. Oh, God.

New fear unlocked Paper Wait you know what Also with my OCD Paper cuts Make me sick I hate paper cuts Why paper cuts They're so vile Why I just think that's so Fucking disgusting Yeah it's like It's like a slight Fucking shit Yeah it's like And then it's like It won't stop bleeding Why won't it stop bleeding It's so gross Okay so So they're thinking About their crush a lot I think maybe Like it's time I think I solved that Yeah you did solve that Charlie She took it away I agree

If you're thinking about him too much, go take care of business. Okay, this is Halloween special. Spooky. I was promised to not be ghosted if I fucked him. He ghosted me. He promised you he wouldn't ghost you if you fucked him? Now I see him every day on campus and we avoid eye contact. How do I get my confidence back? Scary.

Don't fuck someone if they promise not to ghost you if you fuck them. Wait, also the first one sounds like they're writing a book of essays, which I think we're good on, by the way. Which first one? The first line of that sounds like the beginning of a- I would promise to not be ghosted if I fucked him. Isn't that the beginning of a book? Yeah. Which one of these is a more and more complex riddle? And I'm like-

No, I know. I'm incapable of understanding them. No, 100%. Trolls sent you this. These are all riddles to get over the bridge. I'm like, yeah, it's kind of crazy. Something between the face tape and the... Yeah, I wouldn't fuck someone who ever brings up ghosting. It's like... Right? It's like, wait, why are you thinking about that already? No, it's like Republicans bringing up grooming. It's like, you brought that up.

Like you brought that up. Wasn't thinking about it. Must be top of mind. Sorry. It's what you do. It's what I do. Oh my God. It's what I do. It's what I do. I mean, in this, in this moment, I am your sister. It's what you do. Yeah. Well, what did we learn today? God, so much.

You can take down red wine supernova. I know. It's so major. You can't imagine how my girl can just fucking do it. And I'm like, I'm nursing this. Probably. Yeah, I'm about to be three glasses in. I'll fall asleep soon. Look at these things. They're gorgeous. In the photos. I love it. I learned that every

Everyone kind of has similar experiences and there's not an original experience ever to be had. Not one singular experience. Every day. Yeah. Wait, you guys, I saw the craziest TikTok and it was like you happiness. If you base your happiness and it's really stuck with me. I don't know why in events you'll never be happy. And that's all I do. Of course. I'm like, once this event happens, I'll be happy. And then the next, it happens. I'm like, wait, hello. I don't care. And then the next thing will happen. I'll be like, wait, no, no, no. It's the next one. And then I'll have anxiety and OCD leading up to said event. Yeah.

I know me too. That's why I can never be happy. Cause I'm like, God, I'm going to get intrusive thoughts at this fucking dinner. That's what I always have. I'm like, God damn it. Intrusive thoughts. It's what we do. Yeah. It's what we do. What day are you? October 27th. We're November Scorpios. He has like a whole to do about it. It's crazy. November Scorpios are crazy. Yeah. He thinks we're really intense. You guys are intense. We are. We stare at you. I have blue contacts and I'm like, we're not intense. We're just passionate. Yeah. What did you learn today in your short time that you were here?

I actually don't know. I learned that I feel like I have imposter syndrome for sitting here because I really thought I was a drive-by. No, you were fabulous. You're the main event. You're not a drive-by, darling. Thank you so much. See? Look how you're treated. Let's do a real cheers. I would love to do that. Cheers. Wait, you know what I learned? I love you. I love you guys. You're freaking all. Oh, love. Mm-hmm.

Sorry, love. It's so fun. And gay friendship is back. Gay friendship is back. I feel like I scammed my way onto here. No, you didn't. I'm a fan first. I scammed my way into a Halloween special. Well,

People are like, hey, do you want to be on my podcast? I'm like, yeah. Are you having a Halloween special? For a Halloween special in drag. Yeah. Yeah, I'll be there in a month, I guess. Yeah, in drag. I was like, oh, okay. Yeah, I loved it. You're like, yeah, no, totally. It's perfect. Yeah. And I was like, here's what I'm thinking. And yeah. It happened. I mean, this was a dream. This was a dream come true. I could talk to you forever. Forever. I could stare at you in this outfit forever. I also don't think that the three of us should ever go to dinner with another person there. They'd be so confused. They would be confused. Are we going to McDonald's after this? Can we please? We have to do a drive-thru. Okay. And we have like five tickets.

I know we have so much work to do. I have to take a Polaroid where I go. Yes. It's like so much to do. Well, I love you. Happy Halloween. Happy Halloween. Thank you for having me. It was an honor. Happy Halloween, pussies. Thank you guys for coming on. Benny and Terry. I love you both so much. Do you want to say a little goodbye to the pussies on a happy Halloween? Bye, pussies. We're giving pussy. Bye, pussies. Happy Halloween, pussies. We love you.

Celebrate hard. Love you, Jake. Heads up. Go like, wait, be good to Jake on tour. Don't be like freaks. Did he already say his favorite? Do you know what I mean, though? Influencer's favorite. What do you mean? I just hope no one's crazy to you. Don't be crazy. Okay. Nothing crazy. Yeah. It's like, you can be crazy, but like, take care of my guy. Take care, yeah. You know what I mean? Don't storm the stage. The stage isn't yours. The stage isn't yours. It's my baby's. He earned it. Oh, they do sometimes do that. Really? Have they done that at the sweat tour yet? Oh, soon come. Soon come.

Soon come. They're fairly respectful on the sweat tour. Yeah, but you never know. Maybe security's good too. Yeah. Right. Love you, pussies. Happy Halloween. I keep an eye out for season two. Red wine supernova. Hi, pussies. Put your tents up. Put your tents up. Tents up.