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- Hello, welcome back to another episode of the Trash Taste Podcast. I'm Joey and I'm with the boys, Garnt and Connor as per usual. - Hey, how are you doing guys? - Hello, welcome. - So we're gonna try something different this week, guys. We're actually going to try to get this episode out in a timely manner. - Are we talking about some topical stuff today? - Maybe we are, maybe we are. - What makes you wanna talk about topical stuff today, Garnt?

- What makes me wanna talk about topical stuff? - There's a few. - There's a few, there seems to be a lot of things that have come out recently that normally we'd be like, this episode's not gonna come out in like two months or something. So we're not even gonna get the chance to talk about it, but we'll try something new. Let's spice in, let's slice and spice in. - Spice in. - Oh my God, my brain is broken. Let's splice in some topical episodes every now and again and see. - Sure.

- What should we start off with? I think one thing that kind of took the entire internet by storm, especially the content creator sphere was the XQC story of how he signed a $100 million deal, which is fucking insane. Like the one that's shocked me the most about that is like obviously a hundred million dollars is a lot of money, especially for like a streaming deal. But it's like, it's the fact that this man's deal was bigger than LeBron James'.

- Well, blood money is an interesting thing. You see, gambling money is different money than normal people money. It doesn't apply. - Yeah, yeah. - But apparently that was like a, I mean, he wasn't confirmed, but it was very obvious that he took some equity, the kick, which is a, full disclosure, I have a streaming deal with Twitch. Not a hundred million dollars.

- Yeah, I think we would have heard about it if it was. - Full disclosure, I don't have a streaming deal at all. Yes, yes guys, yeah. - Full disclosure, I don't stream. So we're three different people right now. - I say it's blood money, but Twitch is Amazon, so it's a different kind of blood money. Piss in the bottle money, as we say. - I think that one thing that like kind of made me question everything first was just like,

"Where was Kik getting this money?" And then I looked into it and I think like stake.com, which is the company, the gambling company that owns Kik. I think like, and correct me if I'm wrong, Munar, but I think that like last year they were worth like,

a couple of billion dollars or something? - I think they made like 2.6 or something in revenue. - God damn. - Or something like that. - Jesus. - I mean, it just goes to show where like even, you know, like I guess when they play like casino games, they're like, guys, don't do this. I'm just doing it 'cause I need to get paid. Clearly it works. Oh, clearly, sorry, that doesn't work.

- But I think people just doing this and playing slots mindlessly for hours clearly has an effect and makes people wanna play these things. - Yeah, of course. I mean, you're seeing it put right in front of you and then you're telling people, "Hey, you know this thing that's right here in front of you? Don't do that." - Yeah, I mean, I have a feeling that

I'm not sure if this is going to be a one-off deal or not, just because I have a feeling- - Well they signed a few other creators as well. I don't know how much though, I mean- - Yeah, we don't know how much, but obviously XQC got paid this much and with this amount of money, it's just like a headline generator. You know what I mean? - For sure. - You basically paid this much money, not just to bring over

the biggest streamer right now on the platform, on any platform I believe, to your platform. But also it's just a hundred million dollars in terms of marketing because this is the most organic marketing you can get 'cause people are talking about it. Everyone's writing about it and it's,

Now people are, whether they like it or not, people are talking about Kik. There's a massive, massive conversation about Kik as a platform. And it's kind of like, it's almost genius in the way because even though like YouTube is like obviously a much more established platform, it almost seems like YouTube as a streaming platform is just like the third party. - It's because YouTube's

putting like zero effort into trying to improve the streaming experience on YouTube, right? Like they're obviously- - It tries to, I just think it doesn't know what the fuck it's doing. - I don't think it's trying as hard though as like say Kik is. - Yeah, I think the problem is trying to integrate streaming into YouTube, which is predominantly video and the whole platform is built around serving you video. How do you kind of integrate live streams in a way that kind of works? - Yeah.

And so, but also in general, I mean, I liked that these big deals are coming out. This is good for all of us. And me specifically, I'm very happy. Hey, that means more negotiating power. - Yeah, kind of sitting there being like, please, me next, please. - If these other companies, 'cause Twitch has made many, many blunders in the past year or two.

- In the past month or two. - This company, this website can- - It's like a Tom and Jerry skit. It's literally like just watching like fucking Jerry go and hand, wait, was Jerry the mouse or? - Jerry's the mouse. - That's fuck Tom. It's like Tom stepping on the rake, walking into the shotgun. It's like everything. - Kick is Jerry and Tom is Twitch right now. - Yeah.

- And the funny thing is, even if Kicked wasn't doing these massive things, it just seems like a lot of websites, a lot of platforms are just having Ws by just doing nothing. By just not being Twitch and making- - Well, if Twitch had done fucking nothing for the past two years, I think it'd be still be fine, but they fucked everything up.

It's so fucking stupid. - I think as well about this XQC deal that just shocked me was obviously the size of the contract as well. But it's also the fact that it's a non-exclusive. So this man literally just got a hundred million dollars from this website and then they were like, "You can continue to stream on Twitch if you want." - Well, actually I think this is a much smarter way of doing it. - I agree.

from like Kik's perspective or any competitor, because I think we look at when like it happened with like Ninja and Mixer, it was like a big thing for a little while, but then-

okay, Ninja's on Mixer, people aren't on Mixer, right? And then Twitch, Ninja is now not on Twitch to kind of like usher people towards Mixer, right? But if he's streaming on both and you're a big viewer of the Twitch platform, you like watching your streamer on Twitch or another platform, you know, and you're, let's say every week you're streaming twice a week on both.

That's two times a week where you'd be like, "Hey guys, you like this? Come to this other platform where I'm gonna be doing it again tomorrow." So I think it's a way of kind of like constantly making sure you're,

getting an ad on the other platform to your own platform. - They basically bought an ad spot on Twitch for Kik. - Yeah, and then that way they can also then sell it to the creator being like, "No, no, no, don't worry. "You don't have to abandon what you already have. "You can still do it." And also, it's probably easier for the streamer to then take that because,

also probably less money for them to have to pay. But they're like, okay, well it's not like a giant change. It's like, I only have to stream twice a week on that. It's not a big deal. It is absolutely a big deal. And it's very hard to manage doing that. But I think that's the real genius behind the non-exclusivity. Obviously we've seen exclusivity from everywhere. But I think having that is, might be the future, we'll see. I think it's pretty smart. - It's a very small move, yeah. - YouTube doesn't need that shit though. 'Cause YouTube's already got

streamers need their videos on YouTube. - I mean, YouTube doesn't need to like invest to get into the streaming space. Sure, they could be like a jack of all trades master of one, which is like the video platform, which is kind of what it is right now. YouTube shorts is not, hasn't taken off as much as like something like say TikTok

Same with like the YouTube gaming, YouTube streaming. It's just kind of there as just like, oh, you watch videos? Well, we have these other things as well, you know? But it's not like, it's never gonna be known for that, I don't think. - YouTube is doing a lot of good stuff though. Stuff that I, as a streamer, I recognize and like it's pretty handy. Like it used to be that,

when you stream on a YouTube channel, that VOD would just either go unlisted automatically or would just go up. But now they've separated it. So now it's home, which can be like your normal tailored videos, highlights, and then there's live, which has all your VODs, which is great. 'Cause like right now for me on my Twitch, I have a VOD channel, I have a clips channel, I have a fucking shorts channel, I have a highlight channel. It's like all this shit is separated and YouTube is slowly making it the one

just stop for everything. And that allows you to kind of aggregate subs as well. Whereas all my subs are all split in between like 900 goddamn channels. - I've also noticed it also makes it really confusing to see why someone has subs.

- Oh fuck your shorts. - Sometimes you go on a channel, they have like 1 million subs and you see their latest videos and they get like 10K views. You're like, why the fuck do you have, oh, and you click on the shorts tab and it's just like- - 10 million views. - Yeah, 30 million views. I was like, okay.

- Now it makes sense. - That is true. It does kind of create confusion. And like, I feel, you know, if you've been on YouTube for long enough and you stumble upon a channel like that, then you automatically just think, oh, they're either not active or it's a dead channel. So it's like, you already have this kind of image. So like there are some good and bad sides to that whole thing, but- - I mean, I don't sub to anyone on YouTube anymore.

- I just thought the recommendations do everything now. I literally don't sub anymore. - Really? - 'Cause I've noticed if I just watch a channel enough, it'll always just appear on my recommended. - I very rarely sub. I only sub if I know I watched something and I'm like, I wanna make sure I remember that I like this person. 'Cause I do the same thing. I let my rec, I met like fucking AI recommendations. - 'Cause YouTube has made it so that

the sub is basically useless. - Yeah. - It's not like we make any money off of subscribers. - It's very, very close to being kind of defunct and just this kind of nice fun number that certain creators carry. - It's a clout value. - But do you notice that because your life is like,

revolving around recommendations that you always go into like certain holes or certain like rabbit holes, depending on like one random recommendation you got on that week and you're like, oh, that's actually a really interesting topic. And then you go, and that's your rabbit hole for the week. And then you go to like the new rabbit hole. Yeah, which is why I still do sub to creators because just in case that creator is not in the rabbit hole that I'm in for that week, I'm like, I wanna remember that I still like this kind of content.

even if I'm not watching that kind of content. - And I watch too much content on YouTube to like go back through my history to be like, all right, where is it? Where was this one video I saw that I really liked? - Yeah, exactly. But I mean, like, I think,

streaming is a very interesting space and show is like short content. It's funny 'cause the way I see YouTube now, long form video content, YouTube slowly turning into TV for the internet. It's slowly turning into like the old media, let's just say. Everyone kind of like, it's funny because remember when YouTubers tried to get on TV

and everything. Now people on other platform are trying to get on YouTube. As we all know, you can't grow on Twitch unless you have a YouTube channel that's kind of like popping off. That's the only way to grow. Same with TikTok as well. Well, TikTok is an entirely different thing, but shorts don't make nearly as much money as YouTube does. So everyone really wants to be that YouTuber. So I think that's,

part of the reason why YouTube just seems like a more stable platform now is because we forget that in the days of the internet, YouTube's actually pretty ancient now. It's been around for a pretty long time. - YouTube is the only, and I think Mark's probably said this as well, it's the only S tier platform still, I think.

No other platform feels as polished and as good as YouTube. - All right. - Pornhub. - No, no, no bro, Pornhub has had so many scandals, bro. Get out of here. - That's triple S in terms of entertainment. - Oh my God. - In terms of the actual platform. All right, in that case then, what tier, if we're going by platform tier lists, what would you put Twitch at right now?

- I don't know, recent changes? - If YouTube is an S. - D tier? - D tier. - I mean like the interface and the community there is great, but I think Twitch has just really been struggling to just figure out what the fuck they want. And it's obviously they're like, I mean, I'm assuming that the reason why they're kind of making these choices is 'cause they're losing money, I'm guessing. And I, yeah, I don't know. It's kind of like,

- The whole 70/30 thing and they took away 70/30 from creators, which, so for more background, Twitch has very publicly been a 50/50 company. So if you subscribe to someone, you get 50% of that. - Yeah, this is a fun game. - And then there was a secret 70/30, which I found out about maybe like after a year of being a partner and you only ever heard about it from word of mouth, like some people just had it.

And then you were like, oh. And the only way to get it was to ask. And apparently there was like a secret criteria they didn't talk about. It was very, I mean, if you're decently sized, pretty achievable. And they had this. And a lot of the top streamers were on this thing. And I was on it for like two months.

And then they reverted it and they said, "We're not doing that anymore. It's not happening." - We're losing too much money. - Yeah. - Yeah, and it was kind of a bizarre choice really 'cause it only really affected the top creators. And obviously the top creators are gonna be vocal and have the biggest followings. So it just looked way worse than it was. And I think someone calculated it only actually affected like a thousand creators.

out of the whole Twitch platform, which I think has like 40,000 partners and then however many other- - It's like 0.001%. - Yeah, but I guess on Twitch, a lot of the power or viewership is very weighted at the top. So they removed this and it looked terrible for them and now they're bringing it back

and then they publicly showed the criteria and now it looks even worse because now they're showing what you had to get for it and it doesn't look good. - Especially for small creators as well. - Yeah, and it doesn't even benefit the big, big creators because after $100,000, which someone like XQC would have been making in like fucking three days, you don't get any benefit from the 70/30 anymore. So it really didn't benefit many people and it was just kind of like a weird bandaid solution on all the fuck ups they had. And then recently they,

they changed all the sponsor stuff, which was like, that was weird. Cause it was like them basically banning any events. Like, cause I mean like, you know, I've got the charity event coming up, which is happening on 29th of June. It's topical, so we can talk about that. And that would have just like killed that. Or like any kind of event like that is done. Cause these are events that often cost upwards of,

And it's like, okay, well, most people can't afford to pay that out of pocket. They need a sponsor. They need someone to help kind of alleviate the costs. So Twitch saying, hey, you can only, you can't have burned in ads into the stream, which just means an ad that plays on the stream outside of Twitch's control.

them saying no to that as being like, we don't want anything highly produced on our- - Yeah, so like e-sports events, like smash tournaments and conventions and stuff like that, it would just all be gone. - But obviously the caveat is that,

this is already preexisting on platforms like YouTube. YouTube has the same rule. - Right. - That you can't have ads in the video. - Oh really? - But it is a nice, I think it's like a thing that they have, which they use when someone is using it egregiously. - Yeah. - Right. - Well, I think Twitch has,

two massive issues right now. - PR. - Which, yeah, PR is a big thing. And part of the reason is I think this is what happens when you are so reliant on such a small percentage of your user base, right? The top 100 creators makes up for like most of the user base. So if someone complains, you have to listen.

- Fucking hundreds of YouTubers could complain about a certain decision, but at the end of the day, dislikes aren't coming back. They make a decision and they stick with it no matter what, you know? They have that power, but with Twitch,

doesn't have that same power. - YouTube is the stoic parent where it's like, if I say no, it's no. And Twitch is that parent that's like, well, you've been a nice boy. So I'll bring it back just a little bit. - Honey, are you okay? You don't care what your Christmas tree, you don't like it? Okay, I can change it. I can change it if you want. - I think the wise thing that YouTube has done is obviously it's introduced demonetization and all that, but it's never fucked with the money split.

And I think that's just something you just don't do. You don't take away, you directly say you're taking away money from creators. I think it's just a disaster 'cause then you're just, you're souring your creators to a point that, and no other decision could piss them off this much than being like, "Hey, I'm gonna affect your business model. "I am going to fuck you." - It's literally, "Hey,

how about you make less money now? - Yeah, yeah. - You have no control over it. - Well, you stay still. - A lot of people would argue YouTube did this with certain things, but I think YouTube did it in certain ways 'cause it had to. 'Cause YouTube has a vested interest in making sure you make the most money. And demonetization was there to make sure that everyone, unfortunately, it was like kind of a necessary evil at the time. 'Cause I mean, let's be real, YouTube was in a fucking weird place when they introduced it and it kind of needed it. - It was kind of the wild west. And I think demonetization,

is something- - It doesn't work perfectly. - Yeah, it doesn't work perfectly, but it is a system that is needed in order for the platform to be able to grow to the size that it is now. Twitch doesn't have that right now. Twitch is still a very young platform. Twitch is still in the wild west. - I mean, I feel like I don't know anymore. It's pretty fucking old.

- If we're talking like Justin TV era. - Yeah, but I mean, if you compare it to like Justin TV, like it's, you know, Justin TV I feel was like the true wild west, right? Like, 'cause that was, that also came out during a time on the internet where the internet was just a wild west. But now that, you know, people are taking streaming and video platforms like YouTube and Twitch

way more seriously on a business side of things as well and like a corporate side of things. Now I feel, especially on Twitch, like even just within like the past couple of years, I feel like it's just gotten so much more stricter and more like confined in what people can actually do. Unless you're a massive creator, then you can get away with a lot of shit. - Well, that's what every social media platform happens. That's what happens when a platform grows to enough of a size. When people start getting worried about getting sued,

then you need to worry about putting in policies and policing them, which is what we saw from YouTube. When people have to worry about advertisers dropping out, that's when people start to worry. It's basically like you just follow the money and it makes sense. Of course, something like Kik is like even more of the wild west than Twitch is right now, but that's because it's a growing platform. If it grows to enough of a size, you're going to see the same problems that Twitch is dealing with right now. - Absolutely. - You can't get away from that shit because,

Companies need to make money every now, like somehow. - Yeah. - It's frustrating. I like Twitch a lot. I should say we'd stop fucking up. I'm really, obviously I start fucking deal with them. I like Twitch as a platform a lot. - I would just like Twitch because it seems like everything Twitch is doing right now is reactive rather than proactive.

I think that's the big problem. You never wanna be reactive in a business. You always wanna be like ahead of things. And everything they seem to be doing is just a reaction to something that's fucked up. - And it's always the worst reaction. - Yeah, and it just feels like the people making some of the decisions just feel very disconnected from what creators and viewers want.

It's just confusing. A lot of the stuff makes no sense. It's like, what are you, why? - Have you ever thought about trying to stream on Kik? - No. I mean, right now, Kik is a massive PR problem.

The creators on there, the companies that back it. - How would we rank Kik? We've ranked Twitch. How would we rank Kik? - So Twitch is D tier, YouTube is S tier. Where would Kik sit? - Kik is like dog shit F tier. It's so bad. - Even with the 95.5? - Yeah, that's fine. - There's a caveat. - It has a giant PR problem. The creators on there,

Again, the main category as a very recent is still slots and gambling. There's a lot of questionable stuff. - Yeah, I mean, my biggest problem with- - 95.5. - Yeah, I mean, my biggest problem right now is that I don't believe the 95.5. Okay, here's the thing, right? Here's the thing. - The numbers aren't real. - Here's the thing.

- It's 95, five now. But tell me how they're making money through 95, five. Because there's a lot of speculation. Yeah, there's a lot of speculation on different business models, but there is no actual guarantee. And,

- It's the oldest philosophy I know of. If something sounds too good to be true, most of the time it normally is. Kik is this, the new kid on the block that's got this shiny dangling like, "Oh, come to our platform, it's 95.5." But let's say it does grow to the size of Twitch. Who's to say that they're not going to encounter the exact same fucking problems as Twitch is? - What's to say Kik is also gonna pull a Twitch and be like, "You know what, 95.5."

- Let's pull it back to 70/30. - Yeah, I mean, right now when I see Kik, I go on Kik and I'm like, this is just a carbon copy of Twitch, except it has gambling. - Well, I think the real money is the gambling. It's gonna be more used as a vehicle for getting people into advertising. - Yeah, I think that's how they're making the money right now is the fact that again, like the majority of Kik right now is gambling on sites like state.com. - I think it's hard to encompass how,

how lucrative gambling is. It's very, very, very profitable as we all know. But I think enough so that one website of gambling would be enough to just prop up a whole fucking ecosystem. - Keep it afloat. - Yeah, easily. I think so. I think it makes that much money. - It's terrifying. - And I think obviously if you've got more creators on it, that could go up. That 2 point whatever billion easily could go up, I think. - Yeah, it's like come to kick. We'll give you some 95.5 and...

you can make us some extra money by gambling on our website, funneling that back into Kik so that Kik stays afloat. So it's just this like loop of money that's going around. - This episode is sponsored by ExpressVPN. Going online without ExpressVPN is like not having a case on your phone.

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It seems like anytime there's an asshole doing something in Japan or anything, it's just like, oh, they were streaming on kick. And I was like, great. This every time I'm looking up news, every time I'm looking up news for the second channel to be like, all right, let's see what's been happening in Japan today. And if the article starts off with kick stream, I'm just like, oh God.

- Kick streamer threatens Hiroshima on Japan. I'm like, ah, it checks out. - That's like a huge problem, right? Where you think kick streamer, you should think probably a problematic individual or someone racist. I mean, that's just like,

that's just not something you want. And I think a lot of people don't, I think a lot of people, no matter how much money you throw at them would not stream on that platform just 'cause of what is associated with it. I think that's valid. 'Cause right now they just need to clean up. They gotta clean it up if they want to be taken seriously. - Yeah, because I think right now, of course they're making headlines, which is great, they're making headlines, but at the end of the day, it's like you need something sustainable.

And the way I see what, you know, whatever their business model is, whatever their marketing is, I don't know if that's going to be something sustainable in the long term. 'Cause at the end of the day, you know, you look at YouTube, you look at us who's been on the platform for a very long time. And even though the internet

is a very volatile place. You want just a little bit of stability there wherever you can. - Yeah, of course. - You look for it wherever you can. - That was the main reason why I took a Twitch deal was just to have, you know,

I was just pretty straight up. I was like, I went up to Twitch. I was like, hey, I would like a deal for XXX reason. And one of the main one being is that I wanna hire more people. I wanna make more events. And to do that, I need a base of money where I can be like, this is what I can spend on Twitch this year. - Yeah, for sure. - And I'm totally fine with like losing money on my Twitch stuff 'cause I really believe in streaming and what I'm doing right now. And I'm very passionate about it.

But also I'm not trying to go broke. So for me, it was like, I would like to sign something even if it's maybe like, I know that maybe I could get more or maybe I could negotiate elsewhere. And I was like, I just want to get moving with this thing. I really believe in what I'm doing right now. Let's just do this.

- Well, I think you're doing it the smart way because I think a lot of, and this is just speculation. I don't know what the mentality of every person who gets a Twitch deal is going through. But I think the way you're doing it is smart because it's like, you're using that deal and the money you're making from that deal to basically be like, "Hey, Twitch, this is what I can do if you put me on." So it's like that, hopefully if Twitch is a reasonable fucking website,

they'll look at that and being like, oh, okay, well then he's making great content for us, you know, because of this deal. So you're more likely I feel to bring, like if I was Twitch, I would look at your stuff and be like, oh, okay, he's someone that I'm happy to resign, right? Because they're making good stuff. Whereas I think a lot of people look at like these Twitch deals and these like contract deals for streaming sites and being like, oh, I mean, they're not really innovating. They're kind of doing the same shit. Some of them just get like,

even lazier because they're complacent with the money that they've already got. And so, I look at that and being like, well then what the fuck was the point of me giving you all this money if you're not gonna like do anything with it. - Since we're on social media websites, TikTok. Where do we rank that? Where do we rank TikTok?

- See, TikTok is hard because- - Don really trying to get his social credit score up. - TikTok is hard I think because it's like, I think there's a lot of like awesome stuff that's come out of TikTok, but there's also a lot of shit that's come out of TikTok. It's like really kind of sitting on both ends of the spectrum right now.

- Yeah, I would say it's better than Twitch right now. - Yeah, I mean, if Twitch is DT- - I don't really compare them 'cause they both do different things. - Yeah, exactly. - They both do different things. - As an experience, yeah, B or an A. - Yeah, I'd say it's like a B too. - I think it's just weird. Short form content is kind of like, it's weird for me, right? Not just because of the fact of short form content, but it's...

I've already said that my life now in terms of YouTube videos is run by an algorithm and what it recommends to me. But I at least still feel like I have a choice. - You get presented with the page and you can pick. - I get presented with a page. Getting into short form content is weird because it feels like here is just,

a feed that is being directly fed into your brain and you will consume the content. You will consume whatever we present to you and you're going to like it. - It did something on another platform it did at the time, which was just immediately play and show you something and not allow you to stop and then figure out. - And not allow you to choose. - Yeah, and figure out based on that watch time and attention and all that stuff like, oh, this is a smart system of how

'Cause if someone's looking at what short form content to watch, they're not gonna pick anything. Sometimes it takes longer to pick the fucking thing than just watch something. - Yeah, exactly. - Smart way, but yeah, not really a huge thing. - Yeah, I mean, it's, okay. Do you think TikTok has completely changed a whole generation of kids? I feel like with TikTok and stuff like TikTok, Instagram, Snapchat as well, which is like,

- I didn't even know Snapchat was still a thing. - I've never felt more like a boomer until someone talks about Snapchat and how much fucking money Snapchat is making. I'm like, holy shit, I am out of touch right now. - I don't think it's doing anything to our kids. I think it's the same. It's probably what they thought

I was playing with like fucking video games. - Yeah, it's his. - Yeah, my parents 100% felt the same thing. They were like, "Why would he play with Pokemon?" - Yeah, you don't know the attention span to read a book. - Yeah, he's in this weird universe. He's the screen, you know, I feel like. - He can't watch anything unless Subway Surfers play at the same time, what's going on?

- That's a little weird. - You know the kids these days. - I mean, I've seen some TikTok content where I'm like, yeah, I'm glad the subway service was there 'cause goddamn. - That is the main content. - If it wasn't there, I would've skipped that shit. - I mean, it is certainly weird, but I think it's no different from what our parents probably felt with when we were playing video games or when someone was on Tumblr, probably they're like, oh my God. - Or before that fucking, yeah, or before that newspaper was getting released. Like radio is getting released. I mean, it's,

- I would like to get more into TikTok, but at the same time. - Why? - Not get more into TikTok, but I would like to be more aware about TikTok because obviously it's not, I don't think short form content is gonna go anywhere. Do I want short form content to kind of take over? No, I'll be honest, but I think it's kind of going to get to the point

where it is going to have a much, much bigger effect on just the kind of media everyone consumes. Because I remember when I started YouTube, I'm gonna go YouTube boomer for a second here.

I remember when I started YouTube and YouTube was all about making videos for desktops, right? When I started YouTube in like 2007, there was like this new feature that could tell you how many people watch your YouTube video on mobile accounts. And it was like 2%. And I was like, this is such a non-factor. Why are we caring about mobile watch time? And now it's just like the majority, people majoritively watch YouTube videos on a mobile device.

And like, I see the certain trends where as,

As much as I complain about short form content, it is far too effective at getting people's attention. I feel like I'm in the minority where I have to like purposely and consciously not watch too much short form content 'cause I can literally feel my brain chemistry changing if I watch it for more than 30 minutes, I reckon. You go into this trance and I'm like, this is too effective.

And just because I'm aware of it, I don't feel like how big and how widely spread TikTok is right now. I don't feel like people would keep this in their conscious mind to be like, "No, I'm not gonna watch as much." It's something that's going to continue to be more and more of a big factor. And I think just to keep up with the current times, I should be more aware of it. - Yeah. - Yeah.

- What do you think about Instagram? 'Cause you're the Instagrammer here. - Am I? - I mean, you're the closest thing to the Instagram here. You're the user the most. - I guess, yeah. - Instagram's a D tier for me, easy. - A D tier? - I hate it. - Instagram, I think Instagram is getting better in a lot of ways because recently especially they've really been putting effort into like their reels, which is essentially just,

short form content on Instagram, right? And like that has been like really blowing up. I know, like I know Arki started to do like a bunch of reels on Instagram and they've done like stupidly well, even better than her TikTok. So it's like, it is kind of fascinating how that kind of content also is working really well on Instagram. And I feel like,

- At this point already, like every single social media like thing, maybe like other than Twitter is like really leaning heavily into that like short form video and like even, you know, dedicating spots to their like UI to be like, here's where all the short form content is. 'Cause like on Instagram, there's just like a real section now that you can just go to and you can just

infinitely scroll short form videos and memes and stuff like that on Instagram. And like, I've now, when I'm looking for memes, I go on Instagram reels. Like it is the, I think it is the best place to find memes now. Cause it's like, I used to do that on Twitter. Now Twitter has turned into a fucking cesspool.

of just like shit I don't want to see. - Twitter I think now is like- - Twitter is like an E tier. - Yeah, Twitter is like E tier. Like for me now it used to be like C tier, B tier. 'Cause at least I used to at least have a post or two where I'd enjoy going on Twitter.

But the more I, the more Twitter has gone into like Elon Musk's pockets, the more I'm like, this is getting lower and lower into the tier list to the point where I'm like, maybe I should go on Instagram. - I'm actually nowadays, I found I'm using Instagram more than Twitter. - Yeah. - Which is like never happened in the entire time I've had both platforms. Like just because again, it's like, you know, I feel Instagram is great because it's like, you know,

- I like taking photos and I have a lot of photos of me that Aki or whoever takes. So I'm just like, I need a place to put them up. And it's also just, I think a nice, I feel like the community on Instagram, at least my community is a lot more just chill on Instagram. Like I can just, I don't have to add any like,

political or anything like controversial to something or can be misconstrued as that. Whereas on Twitter, I could say the most like innocent shit and people just misconstrued in a completely different way. And that happens all the time. Whereas on Instagram, I feel it's a lot more chill. And again, like the real systems are really good. Like looking through people's like stories and stuff like that is like,

you can get that done way faster on Instagram than like going through each individual person's like Twitter account to see like what they're up to and stuff. Because, you know, God knows you can't go on YouTube, you can't go on Twitter anymore to be like, I wonder what my friends are up to because it never fucking appears on your feed. - I think the biggest thing, I don't know if you've, I don't know if you guys have noticed this as well, aside from the arguments which have always been there on Twitter, there seems to be,

I don't know what to call it, but there seems to be a culture on Twitter of like the slam dunk, you know, where people are- - Ratioing. - Yeah, just, I guess ratio culture or something like that, where it just seems like everyone is looking for that next stupid tweet to try to ratio. I'm like, it was funny when this was first a thing, but when I see this now and on my feed, there's some like ratio attempts

every like second or third tweet. - Literally every tweet I see you open up the comments and like, I guarantee within the first 10 replies there will be someone trying to ratio someone. And I'm just like, why? Why, what are you trying to prove? What are you trying to prove? - I'm like, okay, the fun's kind of worn off now. This is kind of getting tiring. You know, it's kind of like, oh, it kind of,

is fatiguing in a way just to see this many people were trying to like slam dunk ratio this stupid dumb person. I'm just like, maybe just let stupid people be sometimes. Maybe just, is it so wrong just to- - Maybe if you stopped giving those stupid people attention, we would see less of it on Twitter. - Yeah, exactly right. - But the complete opposite is happening right now. And now it's just everything but that. - Sorry, I saw the most cringe interaction on Twitter. - Well, go on.

brought the amount of secondhand embarrassment I got. So like, I don't know if you saw this, you see this MrBeast thing?

It was with this guy. - Oh, he faked the thumbnail? - No, no, no. - Which one? - Let me show you it. Let me show you it. Okay, let me, this is, it's so bad. Oh my God, the amount of crutch. So this dude tweeted, did you see this one? - No. - He tweeted, "Just picked up this beauty." I don't wanna show the Twitter account 'cause I don't wanna give this guy any attention. - Yeah. - "Just put up this beauty agreement about an hour away from Greenville. The hunt is on for Mr. Beast."

So he's got a cardboard cutout and he's gonna take it to Mr. Beast, right? And Mr. Beast replies saying, "Go away, I don't want your stupid cutout. I'm tired of people harassing me." And then he goes, the dude replies, he goes, "Yes, sir. I've never been more happy with a rejection in my life." - Oh my God. - And then this dude does like a video later on in this Twitter being like, he goes like,

No, see, this is what I'm talking about. This is what my message is about the whole time. YouTube as a platform keeps pushing us to be cloud chasers. Oh my God.

- Oh my God. - And I'm glad that I could finally show that it had to stop. And that I was the one who finally, you know, got to show that it was time to change. - I can see the YouTube title already with just in brackets, all caps, social experiment. And I'm like, no, that's just copium bro. - I think he might've deleted it. 'Cause it was, oh my God, this video of him

- Like I will say just off that tweet, 'cause you know, this is definitely not the first nor last like, you know, Jimmy Dick writing tweet that I've seen. God, the amount of MrBeast Dick writing on Twitter. Holy shit. - I'm like this dude. - It is insane. - I know, I know. - Oh he deleted it. - It is crazy. - Of course he deleted it. - Of course he deleted it. - That was Pete cringe. - He had a video of him in his car with his friend driving from like MrBeast's place being like.

I'm just so happy that he said no, 'cause this has gone too far. YouTube as a platform keeps pushing this and it's about time it stops. - Oh my God. - And I'm glad that I could finally be upon it. I'm just like, what the fuck? - No, no. - And then of course, of course, this dude, again, please don't show any of this. This dude hitting his Twitter buyer being like, let me teach you how to grow your YouTube channel from one to one million shots. - Oh my God. - And it's just like, bro, these absolute,

like barnacles of human beings on the boat of YouTubers, just like absolutely desperate for any crumb. - I'm surprised he hasn't added into his bio, like officially rejected by MrBeast. - I mean, this is definitely like my least favorite era of upcoming YouTubers that are just,

absolutely like bottom feeders to like, they're like, oh, a crumb of clout, please. Not saying that everyone is, but like the people that are like this. - There are a lot. - People that behave like this, they're like absolutely like, just, I mean, just straight up like harassing people just for clout. - Yeah, there have always been clout chases on YouTube. - Such a weird era now. - Yeah. - This era. - Well, you know,

- That's one big advantage I think YouTube has over like a lot of other platforms, which I haven't really seen anyone talk about, which is YouTube just has the advantage where, you know, we all, we have, there'll be cringe young YouTubers, but at the end of the day, there are actually role models on YouTube. There are actually people that have matured up with the platform, just not,

out of necessity, just out of just people growing up. - Yeah, maybe they matured. - And people being on the platform for a very, very long time. And you look at something like TikTok where there's like a fucking kid just committing crimes in the UK or something like that. - Oh yeah. - That guy. - Just like the cloud chases, let me just commit crimes and film it. And that's how I gain attention. And then it works. And then you think about who are like,

who were like the role models of TikTok, you know, who was the one setting the precedence and no one's really there right now just because it's such a young kind of like platform. And even with Twitch, there is just like only like a select few of people that have been around that have set a good example and are trying to set a good example, you know. - I try, I try.

- You're trying, you'll get there. - Well, you know, like, as you were saying, like, I feel like, you know, like I like to think the three of us, for example, on YouTube have like done a pretty good job of kind of maturing with our audience. And I guess with the times, not only because we're just getting older in general and we've been on the platform for a while, but just like, it's not even a necessity. It's just like, like I never like stopped to think like, okay, I've done YouTube for this long now.

I gotta be an adult, bro. I gotta grow up. I was like, no, I never had to think about that. 'Cause it's just like, now that I am older and I've been doing it for so long, like it's just like have become a natural progression to be like, well, my audience who have stuck around is older. My experiences have gotten larger and me as a person has just gotten older.

here is naturally my content now. And people like be like, he's matured so much. What an amazing lad. It's like, no, it's really not bad. Like I feel it's really hard to do the opposite of that. You know, to be like, you know, kind of have that like,

I don't know what's the nice way to put it, but just like, you know, have a sense to be like, okay, you know, now that I am older and there are still people watching me, you know, whether I like it or not, people are going to see me as a role model. And,

I feel that because YouTube as a platform, for example, has been around for so long that now there are people who have, who were there from the beginning who are now here where they are today, who have kind of understood that mentality. Whereas TikTok, for example, is such a younger demographic and hasn't been around for as long, especially as like a place where role models are born, that I don't think there are a lot of people on TikTok to just be like,

I've been on TikTok now for six months. I need to start maturing. I need to be that role model. No one has that mentality at the moment. So like maybe- - I don't think people consciously think they should become role models. - Yeah. - That's kind of a weird thing. I get a suss of people who are like, "I'm a role model." - I've never tried or even think I'm anything like that. As deep as I've gone is I'm like,

- At which age is it no longer socially acceptable to talk about anime titties anymore? That's basically how deep I've gotten with it. - Yeah, yeah, exactly. - I'm like, when is this gonna be cringe? When am I gonna stop doing that? And I haven't figured that out yet.

- I'm sure you'll just slowly adapt with the time. - I mean, my content has slowly changed over the years. It's less, I mean, there still is, it's like still like a lot of memes and a lot of comedy, but there's a more serious side to my content. And I think that just comes naturally with just having less energy to deal with bullshit, you know?

And again, because you as a person has matured as well. So I just feel that's a natural progression for anyone's content really. Connor, my content has been fucking way different compared to like five, 10 years ago. That's not like a conscious choice. It's just like, yeah, I just am not comfortable.

- I was comfortable with this kind of content. - You didn't want to be the black butler guy forever? - I was one year deep in black butler and I was like, I consciously want this to change. But I was like, I still like creating stuff, but just not this stuff. - Yeah, exactly.

And then I just kind of live stuff was just really fun. That wasn't conscious though. Live was totally by accident. But then I think there was a point where I was like, I would like to do this more. And I'm kind of like consciously doing it. So I guess it's like a whole, it's experimenting, a lot of happy accidents and hopefully not wasting time. - Do you know one social media platform I've come back to being finding comfort in? And this is gonna sound so fucking crazy. - If you say Facebook, I'm gonna kill you. - Facebook. - What the fuck? - Okay, okay.

- Okay, hear me out, hear me out, okay? Sometimes every once in a blue moon, you make a post on Facebook and it's just a nice comforting thing knowing that it's just your fucking family and like the friends that you made in high school that you don't know what they've gotten up to in fucking decades. And you go on Facebook every now and again, you see like what this person, oh, this person got married. Oh, this person has kids now.

I don't know, it's like revisiting your hometown after being away for like years. And that's just like a nice comfort. - I don't even remember the last time I posted on Facebook. - I don't know if I've spoken about this before. I have a bit of a guilty pleasure on Facebook. - All right. - I basically went,

- In the area I grew up, I basically just went around every local group on Facebook, like neighborhood watches and joined them. - What? - Because they post just the funniest shit. Yeah, so you should genuinely, you should look it up. There's probably one, 'cause there's a bunch of like 50, 60 year old people who are like, let me find one. There was one yesterday that made me crack up.

- Wait, how do you- - Look at the name of this group. It's just like, okay, don't say the name. - Let me see. - It's just like, that's the town I grew up in. And I joined this group and it's just like, the stuff they post is just so funny. And like, there's like this one, like this one.

They'll just post pictures, right? They'll be like, does anyone recognize this person? They've been looking kind of shady around my parts. It's just so funny. It's like Skyrim NPC behavior. The day that was like,

- Just funny van in the neighborhood. Is anyone looking at this van? - You could be a Karen fucking hell. - It's funny, obviously 'cause this is like their world, this is like a small town. It's really fun just watching it and seeing what kind of stuff that they really care about. It's just kind of fun. I don't know, it feels like participating in like Boomer. - You're like people watching. - Yeah, it's great. It's so fun.

- I guess that's kind of what you're into, but I don't like actively look, but sometimes there's some fun stuff. - I don't actively look at my Facebook, but I don't know. It's gone from Facebook being cool to Facebook being the platform that your mom uses to Facebook being cringe. And now I'm just like, compared to fucking TikTok, Twitter, like Twitch, all these other social media platforms, it's just nice to go on a social media platform

and feel like you're just in your back in your small town. And it's just like a small community that you are familiar with and you know. - Yeah. - And I don't know, there's a charm to that. And every time I go on my Facebook, I'm like, ah, it's just nice to see what my old mates, what my old high school mates are up to now. - You should join your local neighborhood. - You know what I mean?

That genuinely does seem like something I'd enjoy. - All right, there's this post from Sue. "Whoever owns the dog that has barked nonstop for an hour and a half at the top of village name, please let your dog in as it sounds in distress. Sounds like a big dog and barks three barks at one time. Other dogs are reacting to it so the dog choir starts again. Yes, I have a dog, but he doesn't bark

bark constantly like this and he would not be ignored like this in the heat. Backlash expected, but whatever. - Backlash expected. - 35 comments. Why don't you go around and have a chat with her or report it rather than getting everyone involved. Could be my neighbor who has numerous dogs that bark, yep, nonstop. She doesn't care. They're all outside all day on the drive.

- Surely they're not in the van in this heat. - Not all heroes wear capes, man. - It's crazy. The whole fucking village comes together to discuss a fucking dog barking. I love it. It's so fun to watch. - It's like the town hall in an RPG. - Okay, actually no. I know why I like Facebook. 'Cause going on that platform, seeing stuff like that, it actually feels like these-

fuck is this? Sorry. I just got this. Does anyone know who my missing peacock is? This is a picture of it. It's a fucking peacock. What?

Why do they have this in a small town in Wales? - I wanna go to that village. - It just cracks me up. This shit is so wild. - It actually, you go on Facebook, you see these posts and it actually feels like, oh yeah, these are people. These are actually people. These are people just dealing with some of like the most mundane shit in their lives. And it's not like,

the millionth anime avatar complaining about some fucking thing in the latest Demon Slayer episode. I'm like, oh, these are, Facebook reminds me that there are people who are behind all of these accounts. And there's a genuine, I like that feeling. I fucking like that feeling. You know what, Facebook has got- - You know what, you're convincing me.

- You're convincing me to check out my Facebook. - I don't know, it makes me happy knowing that like a lot of people just have problems that are so minuscule that this is how they choose to spend their time. - I don't know, man. Like a lost peacock is pretty detrimental. - Yeah, that's kind of detrimental. - Honestly, if I was in the neighborhood watching, I saw a peacock and just stroll up in my neighborhood, I thought, you know, I'd be posting about that. - Yeah, I'd be like, what the fuck? - I just love the idea of like, there's a dog barking, I don't know where, I'm just gonna go and complain on the Facebook group.

- Like to me, that is like, I don't know why, that's just so funny. - That's so cute. - Yeah, it's so wholesome. But obviously to them, it's very serious issue. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's funny. The reason I found out about it is my brother, I think he parked his car somewhere one time and he was like, I got in trouble with the neighborhood watch. All the Karens were talking about me. And I was like, what?

- I went on this Facebook group and they were shit talking me. - I was like, "What the fuck?" He's like, "Who's this part of the car? "It's not normally here." It's like, "Oh my God. "Oh my God." - Yeah, it's kind of like the slice of life of social media. - Of social media. - Okay, 'cause, okay, there's- - It's like the non-non-Burial social media. - Yeah, there's a thing, right? There's a thing because to a lot of people, these are some of the biggest problems that they end up dealing with. And I remember like, there was, okay,

This is like dredging up a memory, like a core memory of like why one of the breaking points I had when I decided to like pursue YouTube as a career

I was having this meeting, it was obviously in the BBC. And when you join a meeting and not everyone's there, right? So we had people from a lot of different teams and we were waiting for someone to join. So you engage in small talk. And the moment I realized I was going to leave was just, I was trying to engage in small talk with some of my coworkers. They're very, very different in age.

And then one of them mentioned that, you know, their bins had been taken out like a day early. And then we got into this like five minute conversation. We got into this five minute conversation 'cause- - That's weird. - Yeah, that's weird. And then we all were like,

we got into this conversation of like, oh, my bins get taken off on the Sunday. And then another guy's like, oh no, no, no. That's when the recyclables get taken off for me. Actually it's like the, actually it's the Monday for me is when the bins get taken off. And you know, these are people, you know, very, very good at their job, highly respected, you know, respect to them. They've been there at the company for like fucking years. And I just remember thinking,

I just remember thinking, I'm like, this is not the life for me. This is not the life for me. - I don't wanna be talking about fucking Ben Day. - Yeah, yeah. But you know what? Like there is a big, there was a huge difference between the problems that,

they are dealing with and the problems that, you know, as someone who's on the permanently chronically online on the internet, just some of the stuff that we have to deal with. Some of it, because every, when you're chronically online, everything just seems to be a problem. - Well, but again, like I think that's what's interesting, right? Is that the, it's all about perspective. Like, you know, to us, we hear this conversation about,

"Oh, fucking Sue lost her peacock." - I don't know, it's peacocks on fucking mission. - And we just be like, "That's hilarious." But you know, why is that a problem? Or the problem is so insignificant. But to them, that's like eating- - Actually no, I would argue a peacock going missing. - I mean, yeah, that's true. - A peacock going missing. - Or like, you know, a dog barking too loud, right? But to them, that's like ruining their entire fucking week. Whereas like the opposite can be achieved of like, "So what issues have you had today?" It's like, "Oh, I got a bad, I got a hate comment on my latest video and it's not performing well." And they're like,

"Just get off the internet." So then it's like, why is that a fucking issue? I've had a dog barking for the past three weeks. That's the real issue. So it's interesting to see that like kind of discrepancy. And it's like, eventually I feel like for people like us, when we do eventually like retire or quit making content, like I feel we're gonna look back on like those problems that we had on during our work and be like,

- That was cute. Now we have to deal with the dog barking every week. - I mean, to me, the dog barking seems way more of a real problem than some of the shit people complain on Twitter about. - Yeah, exactly. - And you know, I kind of crave that. Actually, like I think some of the best NPC, you said like, you mentioned NPC behavior. I think one of my favorite,

like oblivion videos was just like an old British woman complaining about like construction work starting way too early. Do you know this one? - I know the one. - Something about just like- - They're on the roof working and she's down there like, "You have to stop. It's the law.

- It's literally like oblivion. - When they're just doing their job. - Yeah, it's within working hours as well. But she's just like, "I've had it with you." And then she like blocks the driveway or something. She does some weird shit. - She takes a ladder and then the construction workers are like, "Oh, if you have a problem, you can bring it up with the owner. The owner of the house told us when to start construction." And then there's this like line that she says, which is the most oblivion NPC line I've ever heard in my life, which is she pauses and she goes,

"Right, I'll talk to them then." And then she walks off and talks to the owner and I'm like, "Oh, so British people were just old country towns. They are the real NPCs." That's if you want the true NPC behavior. - I can just see the hard side quest begun after that line and they walk off. - Yeah. - There's people believing that everyone is out to fuck them.

and ruin their day. I wonder, how do you define NPC behavior? Because it almost feels like otherworldly in a sense of you're so disconnected from reality that your behavior seems so...

- It's that thing of like, I think the one thing that really sets off NPC behavior is like, as you said with that video, they just say some things, right? - There's conflict that gives away their perception of reality. - Yeah, where it's like normal people don't say this in this situation or like maybe it's like too on the nose. - I would count NPC behavior as you look at a person

And it almost feels like they are scripted. They are programmed. - They're programmed in. - They are programmed into the fucking matrix or whatever. - But then what makes NPCs feel like NPCs? Is it 'cause they have just like a set dialogue that's very rigid or? - Yes. - I think it's that whole idea of like, you can't imagine what it's like being them. - Yeah. - Or it's like, it's so detached from your perception of life where it's just like,

I cannot even start to imagine what this person is thinking or why they would do these certain things because it's just like not real. We're getting really deep into this shit. - There's a lot of fun Oblivion NPC things. Isn't there one with like a postman in the UK? It's always the fucking UK. - We just sound like NPCs. - Also people in the UK argue over the fucking stupidest things. Whereas in America,

it'll be a headline where ends with someone getting shot. - Yeah. - I think it's just- - In this case, just fucking filmed and stupid fighting. - Yeah, I think it's just because of the way British people argue is so passive aggressive. It just feels like a scripted NPC. - True, true, true. - It's confrontational, but you don't immediately see the consequences.

- Yeah, exactly. It's almost as if, like in game, an NPC can't just suddenly, wouldn't just suddenly start punching you or something like that. There are layers to it in terms of choosing the right and wrong dialogue options. And that's what it feels like talking to a British person sometimes.

You choose the wrong dialogue option, they get a little bit more passive aggressive, a little bit more angry until finally it all kicks off. Peak NPC behavior, go to England. Go to England if you want to peak NPC behavior. - We have a lot of NPC behavior. But hey, "One Piece" trailer looks- - Yeah, while we're on something topical. - Oh yeah. - While we're on something topical. - As a "One Piece" expert,

- I mean, it's- - Hold up, back up. Back up for a second. - Well, to be fair, everything you probably have read right now is probably going to be in- - Well, no, 100%. - Yeah, it's only gonna go on for like a grand. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, so in case you missed it, Netflix right now is making a live action "One Piece" series. It's coming out the end of August and people are very divided about it. - Okay.

- I wouldn't say people are actually divided. I think there's a consensus. - Yeah? - The consensus is, "Wow, I thought it was gonna suck." - Yeah. - Doesn't suck as much as I thought it would. - I'm gonna say something brave. - Okay. - All right. - I think it's gonna be

- Kinda sucky. - Why is that brave? What? There's nothing. What is brave? - The consensus is that it's probably gonna be decent. - No, the consensus is it looks decent, but I'm holding my breath. - Yeah, the consensus was everyone thought it was going to suck and then they're like, "Oh, maybe I'll give this a chance." - Yeah, everyone was expecting it to be like Dragon Ball Evolutions of that. But so far with this teaser trailer,

I personally am like, I have positive skepticism over it where it's like, I am almost looking forward to this. Like I'm gonna watch it and if it ends up sucking, it ends up sucking, whatever we can laugh about it collectively afterwards. But like, I'm kind of feeling after this trailer, my consensus on it is very similar to my consensus after I first saw the "Cowboy Bebop" trailer.

which was, it was an awesome trailer, got me really excited about it. And then in the end it turned out to be not as great as everyone was expecting it to be. So I feel that it might end up being that way. - Yeah, because the thing about "Killer Boy Bebop" is that it had a fucking awesome trailer. The trailer actually like, I remember watching it and I was like, this is it. This is going to be the one that fixes everything that has come before it.

- It's like once another Shintaro's involved, they brought back Yoko Kanno, like the stars had aligned and then a giant comet came and destroyed all the stars. - I feel like you can get a lot of the people who were involved in the original involved, but it's still kind of tough to translate it from animation to-

and even with this one, everyone was like, "Yeah, man, Oda's involved." And it's like, "Yeah, but Oda's a manga artist." Sure, it's his vision of the characters and the story, but he's not a filmmaker. - No, exactly. - He's not a TV producer. It's a lot harder to translate those skills than I think people realize. - No, absolutely. - And a lot of the dialogue that might work in anime and manga

will seem fucking goofy as shit. Well, that's why a lot of live actions have just had this reputation of being, you know, piles of dog shit because they think that there is an exact correlation between how anime characters talk and how real actors talk, which is...

unless your anime series is super grounded in terms of like dialogue. Like, you know, if we had something like "Monster" for example, right? Or like, you know, "20th Century Boys", right? Which ended up being a pretty decent live action only because the dialogue is so grounded in reality in the manga. Whereas "One Piece" is like,

the most shonen you can get in terms of like how characters act and how they talk. - I really hope it's not like some, you know, every fucking Marvel movie now has to have quips and funny lines that aren't funny. - I mean, this is gonna be quippy. - I know, I know. - This is gonna be. - I just hope that it doesn't feel like a cheap version of that. 'Cause even to me that the quippy and one-liners in Marvel feel like fucking shit.

and not funny. - Well, the one line is, a lot of the one line is in Cowboy Bebop were like that as well, which kind of brought it down for a lot of people where it's like, okay. - The live action, sorry? - The live action, yeah. - I brought it down. It was already in the fucking. - What was that one line? Is this blackmail? I think Jet goes, are you blackmailing me? And the woman goes, well, Jet,

"You are black and you are male" or something like that. - Writing 101. - Which out of context is fucking hilarious. - Which is like someone really put this down on paper and thought, this is it. - That goes through like everyone. - Yeah, it's like, that's hilarious, put it in.

- It's like the most surface level shit. - Yeah, I mean, I'm interested. I also said as well, I was thinking about it when I was talking to some other people, I was like, you know, I think the first arc is the arc that'll probably be like the easiest to film. And then that's, 'cause like one piece later on,

- Otis' character designs just get fucking weird. He's like, "How about I just make somebody nine times the size of a human and their body is just like literally like a fucking, what's the thing on Photoshop where you just make someone like deep fried or warped?"

- Oh yeah. - Like he just starts fucking up with people's proportions and their heads are 10 times the size. It's like, this is gonna lead like ungodly amounts of CGI. And so now I'm like, all right, this is the first arc where you can gauge if this is gonna do well. And this is just a crush. - Even with like human characters, right? Or like characters that look human. - What's the name of that first woman who turns up and she's like,

and she becomes really attractive later on. - Oh. - What's her name? She starts off and she looks like a brick shit house woman. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - How the fuck are you gonna, how the hell is that gonna work? - Well, I mean, like even looking like Dolph Lamingo, he's like a normal looking dude visually, but Odo was like, what if I made him 11 feet tall though? - Yeah, and then like- - It's like, did you have to do that? - Like how do you make Chopper not look like some kind of

first version Sonic the Hedgehog. - Well, see that's the thing. - He's not in it though. - Yeah, he's not in it. - So when I made my video, I touched upon that being like, I think it was a good choice for them to cut it right before where Chopper comes into the story because I can not imagine this like horrendous CGI Chopper just like fucking running around with like all these other people being like, all right, you know what? At least you were smart enough to be like,

let's just stick to like human characters first. - Yeah. - And then we can deal with the non-human characters that come later on. - Well, even with like the human characters, there are some fucking weird human characters. And I think like even just Buggy the Clown. - Yeah. - Which on like the grand one piece scale of things is on like the less weird side of things. - Yeah. - But on like the normal anime scale of things, he's still fine.

- He's still weird as fuck. - He's still weird and cartoonish as a character. - I'm actually gonna do like the eyes popping out stuff. I don't know, I just think it's everything. - I'm interested to see how they're gonna show his devil fruit, pal. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - That one shot we got of like the gum gum pistol, I was like, oh, this looks- - It looks so bad. - This looks jank as hell, man. - I think it's like when you think about like Mr. Fantastic, right? From "Fantastic Four" where he stretches.

I was thinking, I'm like, yeah, I guess the suit does a lot of heavy lifting with that. 'Cause you can visualize the suit stretching and it doesn't feel that weird. But when you see Luffy's skin stretch, like some kind of budget Armstrong tour, you're like, it just looks fucking weird.

- Yeah, also I saw like this interesting comment about that, which was like in that trailer when his arm is stretching, the scene is quite dark, which hides a lot of blemishes in CGI. So it was like, I'm already very skeptical of the CGI purely. I mean the fucking giant fish in the trailer. - Everyone liked to look at that. And I'm just like, this looks, this does look terrifying. I'll give you that, but it's got,

It's that uncanny kind of like effect where it doesn't look like a cartoon, but it also doesn't look like it should exist in reality. - It looks like PS4 graphics. You know what I mean? Where it's like, it's realistic, but not realistic. - I don't know if this is just me, but like, they just look like they were like,

like a D and D thing. A lot of the, to me, I know that's such a nitpick, but to me I'm like, man, I don't know. - No, no, no, I said exactly the same thing. They all look, except for Usopp, for some reason, Usopp looks legit because he actually looks and feels like a real person. Everyone else looks like a pot cosplayer. And I think part of that reason is just because whatever clothing, you know, they obviously gave, they were obviously very,

faithful to the original character designs. But I feel like that's actually an issue because the clothes that work in like anime don't always translate well into like live action. And what I got from watching their kind of like character designs is that their clothes don't look

like their clothes don't feel worn, you know? They all feel very, very clean. And like, okay, let's think about this a little bit deeper, right? Let's pretend that these are real people for a second. You know, you have to wear these clothes

- Yeah, they'd be beaten up. - They would be like, at least like a little bit beaten up, a little bit worn. Maybe you'd learn how to like style it a bit more, but no, these look like very clean and pristine. How they look in the manga, how they look in the anime. - They're the cleanest pirates on the scene. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm like, this works?

for an anime and a manga 'cause okay, they're wearing the same clothes every day and it's like an all-star, but as soon as you bring this to reality, it's just the subtle things that give that you visually look and your brain just goes, something about this stands out. - Yeah, in the same vein though, I think Netflix made a conscious choice to not,

go full on with exactly replicating certain character styles. And I think that was a good thing. Like for example, like Sanji in this live action doesn't have the curly eyebrow. Usopp doesn't have the giant nose. - Are they gonna give him a lollipop though? That's the big thing. - If it's a cigarette, then I'll be like, "Mummy." But like, I think like them not adding in say like Sanji's curly eyebrow, Usopp's long nose, I think was a good idea because if they had added that in, it would have just looked

incredibly tacky and it would have actually just looked like cosplay. So I think they made some conscious choices to be like, let's not include this, let's include this. And I think in general, it looks a hell of a lot better than a lot of other live action out there. And I think like, especially with a lot of like Japanese production live action, they try to be so faithful to how the character looks that again, you just look at it and being like, that's not a character, that's a dude who just came back from Comic-Con.

Like, you know, that's why, right? Like for example, like the Fullmetal Alchemist live action was so shit because Ed just looked like a cosplayer. He didn't feel like a real person. - Out of everyone on the straw hat crew, my least favorites, let's say,

- Visually. - Take visually. It's probably Nami, which if you think about it, should be like the easiest one out of the two actresses. But like her hair was so bright and it doesn't, it just, you know, it kind of just felt like, it kind of just looked like either she died that day or she put on a wig. Like I said, it just, it's orange isn't like exactly an unnatural hair color in the real world. - Isn't that actress also naturally a redhead?

- I have no idea. - I think I saw pictures of that being like, why would they give her a wig when she's just naturally a redhead? And I was just like, okay, that's a bit weird. - Yeah, I'm not sure myself, but like out of everyone, she has the simplest character design and I'm like, you look like a cosplayer where you don't, like Nami as a character does not need to look like a cosplayer at all. It's so easy to transfer her character over. But I mean, that's just one shot, you know, whether that's all we were given.

- Well, I'm hoping, I'm expecting it to be bad. And if it's good, I'll be pleasantly surprised. - Yeah, no, I'm the same. Like I'm definitely gonna be watching it just 'cause I'm curious to see like if this will be the one that I guess breaks the streak. So, you know, but I'm not expecting, I'm not holding my breath.

- If I'm hoping for a direction, I'm hoping they go fucking, it's hard to make one piece work in live action, but they need to go like full Kung Fu hustle. The original like Jim carries the mask to be like, okay, this is goofy, but we're like embracing the goofiness and we're kind of like self-aware about it. - Don't try to like ground it too much in reality. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I want to see white beards cock. - The one piece.

- There's just a scene where they just look up and it's just like the shadow. - The shadow of his cough. - The shadow of his cough.

- Well, you know, I also saw as well being like, you know what guys, we had the bleach live action. We're getting a one piece live action. So now the big three baby, the last one, Naruto live action is just around the corner. And I'm like, if there's one show that is not gonna work in live action, it's that one. - I mean, I think Naruto would be easier to adapt than one piece. In my mind, in my mind, one piece is like, if they can do one piece, they can do anything right.

- Yeah, to me, there is nothing more cartoonish than One Piece. But speaking of cartoons and animation and topical, we ended up seeing the new Spider-Verse this weekend as well. - Oh shit, I'm actually seeing it tonight. - You're seeing it tonight? Ah, okay. - It was good. - It was incredible. I think visually it was- - A feast.

- I think even like too good at Blitz. - Really? 'Cause I'm watching it tonight, so I was like, and it's been a while since I've seen the first one and Aki's never seen it. So I was just like, let me like refresh myself before I watch the second movie. God damn, that first movie,

- I always forget how fucking amazing that show was. - I think we both said the first one we liked more. - Yes. - I liked the first one more. - I think I liked the first one more just because the first one visually was like, it was incredible. And it kind of like showed me something that I guess I'd never really seen before.

- The best way I can describe this is just like, did you guys ever see the matrix at all? - Yeah, of course. - Like when it came out though, when it was like three and fresh. - Yeah, I was like five. - Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Because like- - I was three Garnt. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, no. - I was new and fresh.

- That's what I was trying to say. When the matrix first came out, it was such like a visual revolution. It kind of revolutionized visual effects. - A matrix revolution? - Shut the fuck up, Joey. I swear to God. Stop with your dad jokes for a second, Joey. I'm trying to make a point here. - Nice one, Joey. Thank you.

But no, like, you know, before the matrix came out, no one had ever seen something like the matrix and you know, bullet time became a thing. You know, it became the slow motion effects. Whenever we see this bullet time effect in kind of like movies would be like, ah, it was like, it's the matrix effect. It's the bullet time effect that came from the matrix. That's kind of how I felt watching the first Spider-Verse. There was not, there had been, there had nothing,

nothing had been released before that had given me the visual sensation that's the original Spider-Verse had given me. And it blew my fucking mind. The point where now I see like something like Puss in Boots 2, visually fucking spectacular, but I'm like, well,

- Spider-Verse did it first. - The story was so good. - The story was really good, but visually I'm like, I've seen this kind of visual style before and what I'm like, oh, they obviously got, they seem like they were heavily influenced by what Spider-Verse had laid out for them. I'm not saying it's just like, oh, Spider-Verse is better than everything. I'm just saying visually that kind of laid the groundwork. And Spider-Verse 2 definitely took things a step

It upped everything up. It upped everything to a point where my brain did not have enough time to process everything that was happening on screen. - The way I described it was, it's literally like watching a movie with subway surfers in the corner.

- There's like seven subway surfers. - There's so much happening. - Subway surfer the movie. - Like almost to a detriment at times. Like I wish for some scenes they would just let it breathe. - Yeah, right. - But there's just too many moments. And like sometimes there'd be a lot of text on screen and you can't fucking read it. It's so fucking fast and you're like.

- Yeah. - Hold up, pause, hold on, slow down. - Was it good though? - Oh yeah, it was amazing. - It was fantastic. - I think it would benefit a little bit from slowing down. - Right. - Yeah. - At times, at points. - There were points where there were so many things going on. I'm like, my brain needs to slow down to process everything that is happening. And then even when there are some more serious story moments, they're like, okay, let's just change the color of the scene for every single cut.

And I'm like, yo, can you slow down for just a second? - So they did a JoJo. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - But they didn't do it every fucking frame. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There is no time to breathe in this movie at all. And you know, it's a good thing, but when it's like, you know, I think my brain could process it in the first film, 'cause it was like an hour and a half or something. This is two hours and 20 minutes. - Oh, Jesus.

puts its foot on the gas from like minute five to minute, to hour 200, to hour 20. - Right. - It never takes full of the gas and I'm like,

"Holy fuck, I am exhausted." - Jesus, all right. - It is insane. And I think like the story as well is a little bit more, like the first film was a little bit more simple to follow along with. This one there's like, oh, here's like 20 different characters and 20 different worlds doing 20 different things. And then we're gonna connect all into one career and storyline. I'm like, I really like that, I really enjoyed that.

- It's just a lot. It's a lot to keep track of. - The only thing I know in this second Spider-Verse film is they pay the homage to the 60s Spider-Man memes quite a bit, right?

- They pay homage to a lot of things, a lot of different Spider-Verses. - All right, easy, easy. - You can probably take an entire fucking textbook and just to write about it basically. - I'm excited, I'm excited to see it. - Yeah, I think as a film, I definitely need to see a second time just to fully appreciate it. - Yeah, I'm gonna most certainly have to watch the next one again before I watch

the one after it at some point. - Yeah, for sure. - Yeah, it's a lot to process and it makes me happy just to see people that are passionate about their work. It's one of those films where it's rare just to watch like a piece of media and just to feel like, holy shit, the people really care. They fucking cared about making this good. They actually- - Absolutely.

- Yeah, everyone- - They did not have to go that hard, but they did anyway. - Yeah. - And I like, normally my problem with Spider-Man, like as a character, I don't actually kind of find him kind of boring, but I like Miles a lot in Spider-Man. I think he's really fun. - No, I agree. - I really like. - What'd you find about, what'd you find boring about the Spider-Man character?

- Well, maybe this is 'cause I watched the Andrew Garfield ones last time. - Okay, okay. - There it is. - But like, Tobey Maguire's kind of like a, he's kind of a stiff actor, is what I would kind of describe him as. He's kind of, he's not the most emotive. - Right. - I guess, it's kind of like fun nostalgia when I watched the '90s, like 2007. - Yeah, yeah, for sure. - But like, I don't,

- I don't know. - Well, because it's still- - I've never really found Spider-Man as engaging as say Batman. Both of them sound so fucking dumb. - Batman. - I think it's Spider-Man and Batman.

- Batman I always found way more compelling as a character. - Well, I think it's because- - 'Cause he's edgy and dark. - Yeah, dude. - Well, I think it's because as well- - And he had goat for actors portraying him. - Yeah. The Tobey Maguire films especially, I feel maybe it's because it was still during that era where the Superman, sorry, not Superman, but superhero films were still very much in the cut and dry superhero styled classic types of showing. - I always found that in Spider-Man, every other character was more interesting than Spider-Man.

- Yeah, I mean- - For me personally. - Yeah, yeah. - Until recently, we started getting- - I mean, the villains are way more interesting than Spider-Man himself. - I think Spider-Verse does a good portrayal at just telling a story of what Spider-Man is meant to be. Like, have you played the Spider-Man Insomniac games at all? - No, they're on PlayStation.

- You have one now. - I have a PS5, I'm gonna fucking play Spider-Man. - Yeah, I think the Insomniac games does a very, very good job at portraying the kind of character that Spider-Man's meant to be. Because I think Tobey Maguire, I agree, I really do.

I do love the original Spider-Man movies, but to be with guys just a little bit flat to me. Like Spider-Man's always meant to have, meant to have had this kind of like arrogance a little bit. - I like him though. I don't know. I'm just like, you know.

- A little bit of quirkiness to him and everything like that, which if it was Robert Pattinson, Spider-Man. - Well, that's just your personal voice. - I'm just saying, he'd crush it. - My favorite Spider-Man was the Spider-Man I grew up with, which is like the original 90s Spider-Man cartoon. That to me is like the OG goaded Spider-Man. The big difference between Spider-Man and Batman to me was,

I felt like I could actually relate to Spider-Man as a character, whereas Batman was always just this super uber cool thing that- - What was more relatable to Spider-Man, or about Spider-Man for you?

- He delivers pizzas. - I was gonna say, was it the radioactive spider? - Compared to the both, you know? Do I relate more to a teenage superhero who's just trying his best to live a double life and just trying to get the fucking girl that he likes or a fucking billionaire playboy with dead parents? I don't know, which one do I relate more to? - That's just fucking, no, I actually studied martial arts as well with, what's his name?

- What's the actor called who plays him again? The Irish guy, Taken. - Liam Neeson. - I was like, which iteration are we talking about? - The Shadow Society, fucking nice. - The Shadow Society. - I wanna be trained. Train me. - I don't know. - Batman's been hogging the limelight. But Spider-Man's crushing it lately. It's good to see. It's good to see the movies are crushing it. Tom Holland's a good Spider-Man.

- Yeah, I mean like, yeah. Batman's always been just like, even as a kid, I was like, this is a bit too edgy for me. - I loved Batman. - Love Batman. - You a Batman kid? - I think the world of Gotham is the most interesting out of all the- - I agree. - I think that Spider-Man is just like, it's New York. - Say, it's New York. - It's New York.

- It's just New York. - It's just New York. - Oh fuck. - 'Cause Gotham's like, it's Chicago mixed with London, mixed with New York. It's kind of like this weird- - Mixed with hell. - Yeah, mixed with, it's kind of this weird fucked up world that's really cool and dark and grungy. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I find it more interesting as a concept. But that, I mean, it's just like, this is like such a small nitpick. - I've also just found like the Batman films to just be more,

interesting and well-made films compared to the Spider-Man films. - Really? - Just personally, I think. - I mean, they had the- - It's more in my taste, I feel, than the Spider-Man. - I mean, the Dark Knight trilogy fucking gets some big lifting. - Okay, the Dark Knight trilogy is, I think, the

- Only one I'm super like emotionally attached to. - I like Batman Begins. - I mean that was good enough to like carry the whole goddamn franchise. - But I feel like I liked the Dark Knight series just because it was like, it was a crime thriller with people who dressed up in a bat suit. - Are you telling me you don't like the George Clooney Batman?

- Okay, hold up. - With Arnold Schwarzenegger. - Batman the Animated Series was insanely goaded. - That was goaded. - It was so fucking good. - That is good. - We have Mark Hamill as the Joker as well in that, who is one of the best performances in like voiceover history. It's so fucking good. Everyone went hard. - I just never like,

I never liked it as a kid. I don't know why. - If you liked the Spider-Man one, you would have loved the Batman one. - No, 'cause I did watch both. I watched both the Spider-Man animated series and the Batman animated series. I think maybe that's why I didn't like it. It was like really, really grounded.

and a bit too like noir kind of like feeling for me. - Yeah, I think I just like, I think I first discovered like the Batman cartoons and like, you know, the early Batman films during a time where I was just like, Ooh, I like edgy stuff. Whereas I looked at Spider-Man, I was like, that's for children.

- Hello, hello, it is I. - I am a mature 14 year old who likes dark brooding things like Shadow the Hedgehog. - I feel like you're like, I'm no longer 12 now, mom. Put the Spider-Man costume away. I'm 14, it's Batman time. - And I never grew up. My favorite- - That's fine, they're both great by the way. - No, no, no. - No, they're both great. - I remember my favorite Spider-Man arc and this is maybe, maybe this isn't, this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone in any way, shape or form, but my favorite Spider-Man arc from the original animated series was

The arc where he meets like the Madam Web or something like that. And he has to pick a bunch of superheroes to transport to this other world to have this fucking massive like war between superheroes and super villains. So I'm like, wait a minute.

- I just realized this is a fucking Easter guy. - That's why you love Spider-Birds, because it's a fucking Easter guy. - Okay. - We figured it out. It wasn't all about the groundbreaking animation or anything. He just likes-

'cause it's an Insta guy. - Maybe I've never grown up. Maybe I've just liked the same things I've liked as a kid all along. - I also just realized like this far into this discussion that this is literally every discussion in every comic book store across the world. Like it's like, what's better, Spider-Man or Batman?

- Okay, hear me out. Batman into the Spider-Verse. Yeah, that's- - Batman into the Bat-Verse you mean? - Sorry, sorry. Batman into the Spider-Verse. - Batman into the Spider-Verse. - Spider-Man into the Spider-Verse. Yeah, they go into other worlds. It's cool. I liked "Crisis Across Infinite Earths" because it has like other- - So what you're telling me is if they brought out a Batman that's an Issachar, you would like it?

- I mean, there is that, like I said, it's the arc where I think it's called- - Justice League kind of? - Yeah, I think it's a Justice League arc. It's like crisis across infinite earths. I think that I found, I'm not a big- - I don't know, I never watched Justice League. - I'm not a big comic book person, but my favorite arcs were always the ones where they cross over into like the other worlds and the other multiverses and the Batmans meet the other Batmans and the other Supermans meet the other Supermans.

- Yeah, that's that. Hey, what can I say? - One of my friends goes, "Why is it always multiverses now?" And I was like, "I don't fucking know." 'Cause they ran out of other shit to talk about. I don't know. I am sick and tired of fucking multiverses. - Do you know why? Comic books or at least not like- - It's a conference. - No, no, no. It's not just that.

- They've just reached the Dragon Ball problem where you've taken on the biggest threat of the world and then you take on the biggest threat of the galaxy, which is fucking Thanos. Where'd you go from there? - What do you do? Where do you go after you save the entire universe? What about other universes? - They should pull a JoJo and then just like JoJo, you know, obviously had part three, which is a battle across the entire earth. And then the next season they were like, how about we just have a little problem in this little town?

And then it was actually amazing. It was so good. Cause they, he just, he was like, fuck it now. Let's just shrink this down. Let's make this all contained in a single location. And then we can really experiment with that. I think that's what they need to do as well. - And then part six was like, what if we didn't do that? - And then part eight is like, let's just fucking do LSD. You know, I think we'll come back. We'll have the LSD arc, I'm sure. But I think I would appreciate if it was,

which is why I like kind of like Batman. - Batman slice of life. - The Batman was kind of like that. It was all contained in Gotham. - Yeah. - On small kind of scale. - Do you know what I realized recently? We're never gonna get another Thanos moment, are we? I was re-looking at, I was re-watching like "Infinity War" and like "Endgame" clips just like- - What's wrong with you, Carl? - What's wrong with me? - Why are you re-watching movie clips all the time?

- Because I would like to relive some of like the moments, you know, sometimes I'm just like- - He can't be bothered to watch the whole film. - You know, with the state of the MCU at the moment, I'm like that Wolverine, you know, that Wolverine image, like just like embracing the scene from like end game to be like, oh, remember the good old days?

- Because obviously we did realize how big it was back when it first aired, but I'm like, man, we really did have our Luke, I am your father moment, didn't we? Like that was- - I still never- - And you never fucking saw it because you hate popular stuff, Joey. - No, I hate Marvel.

- I respect that. I wish I didn't. I wish I didn't get sucked into this fucking pit that I hate. I watch all of them and I hate them all. - Yeah, exactly. - I just get angry. I still watch them. - Wait, did you hate them before like "Endgame"? - I started getting pretty tired of them before it. - Oh really? - I mean, the last few movies before "Endgame" and "Infinity War" were kinda ass, you gotta admit.

- I know they won. - They went and came pretty quickly. - I know they won. We had like "Thor 3" which was like the best of the "Thor" series. - I didn't even know there were three "Thor" films.

- We had like Ant-Man 2, which sucked. We had Captain Marvel, which sucked. - Captain Marvel sucked. We got a fucking Black Panther, which was fucking great. - That was quite a while before though. I think it was quite a while before, I think. - I remember watching- - No, it was close. - Yeah, I think it was like the year before. - I definitely started feeling like Marvel fatigue right before, but then Endgame was like, "All right, let's do it."

- I'm fucking tired about talking about "Endgame." We talk about "Endgame" so, and Marvel. I hate Marvel so much. I'm done, I'm done. - As you said, it's the new cool thing now. - In "Spider-Man," in my head, I kinda like, it was nice 'cause I felt like the Spider-Verse was like, "Oh my God, it's out of Marvel." Like it is Marvel property, but.

- It's not in the fucking bullshit universe. Everything has to be a story. - And just visually it's a breath of fresh air as well. - You know what? I am actually sad because I've, because...

- And that's it, let's move on. - Okay, okay. - I'm sorry, man. - Okay, we've talked to you. I'm just sad, guys. I just wanted to tell you. - I'm sad. - But you know what? Like, are the DC films actually underrated? - No. - Actually underrated? - It's literally just released, "The Flash." - Actually, okay. - Featuring a man who's crazy and mad. - Wait, you're gonna have to list it out for me 'cause I've only ever seen "Batman." - Which "Batman?"

- Most of the Batman films I've seen. - Have you seen Batman versus Superman? - Yeah, I did. That shit sucked. - Okay, name a good DC film recently that isn't Batman. - Okay, no, when I talk about DC, I specifically am talking about the whole, the whatever, the Schneider verse or whatever that tried to like stack.

I mean, did you watch the Snyder Cut? - I'm not watching a fucking four hour full- - Who watched the Snyder Cut of that? - I'm not watching a four hour movie. - Hello, me, I watched the Snyder Cut. - And how was it? - Probably the best version of the, the best movie in the Snyderverse so far. Am I- - What other films are there in the Snyderverse?

Superman, what was the Superman called? - Man of Steel. - It was Man of Steel and then Batman versus Superman. And then it was Justice League. But okay, here's the thing, here's the thing.

- I am sad that it got cut off because I liked the fact that there are some absolutely banger, amazing scenes in like, okay, they aren't good films, but they had some really interesting ideas in them. Like one of my, one of the scene that sticks out to me, I think I've talked about this before was the beginning of Batman versus Superman, where you see,

where you see Batman's perspective. - The POV shot. - Yeah, the POV shot of just Superman

- Okay, yeah, that was pretty cool. - And like the other person, Zod, just wrecking the city up and you just realize, holy fucking shit. Me as a human being, I have absolutely zero power and zero stake in whatever the fuck they decide to fight over. You see a city getting wrecked and you feel so humbled, right? 'Cause you feel like,

Batman is just totally fucking powerless, right? And I really liked that idea, the idea that they played around that, where you just see basically Superman being treated as a God and then as like a fake God. 'Cause if you think about it, Superman kind of is a God.

- But how was the ending? - How was the ending? Yeah, the ending sucked. - The first five minutes of the Batman POV was the only like good shot in the film, I feel. The rest of it, it just got worse and worse. - It makes me sad because I feel like some of these ideas slowly coming into fruition in the Schneider cut of, in the Justice League Schneider cut where you kind of feel some of these ideas getting to breathe a bit more and then obviously,

- It just got cut and we have something completely new now, but it was a breath of fresh air just to see a totally serious take on superheroes that didn't have a quip every fucking five minutes. And just someone, just seeing someone try to just

portray a much darker side of superheroes, a much more serious side. And then you had the whole fucking Martha thing and then everyone just checked out and you're like, okay, whatever. - What else is there in the DC side of things? 'Cause the only thing, again, I'm not knowledgeable on DC shit. The only thing I know is Batman and Superman. - There's Wonder Woman, which was a thing. - Whereas like who watched that? - Which was, I mean, I'll be honest. - The first one was okay. Second one was awful.

- Is Flash DC or is that? - Yeah, Flash is DC. - Oh yeah, 'cause that's having a great time. - Yeah, yeah. - I don't know anything about it. - I don't know why. It's just, when I watch a D, when I watch all of like- - The squeakiest chair in existence. - When I watch the DC films, I'm like, these are the most,

five out of 10 films with some 10 out of 10 ideas in them that never get realized. And it makes me sad. It makes me sad because they have the potential to be really good. - I think the best piece of superhero media right now is just "The Boys." - Yeah. - It's the thing I enjoy out of everything I've watched in like the past,

since "Endgame" that's by far the most thing I've enjoyed. - "Invincible" as well is great. - Yeah, which is like, it's not even any of these guys and it's just TV and it's like, this is great. - Sure. - It's not a fucking stupid quip every two fucking seconds making a joke. It's like, you know, it's fun. - It's diabolical, isn't it? - It's just fucking, yeah, it's great. I feel like they put humor in organically and it's not like, "Quick, it's been 30 seconds since we made a funny one-liner, guys. We gotta write something."

- I feel like- - Fuck off, I'm not an idiot. I don't need a fucking clip every two seconds. - I feel like it works when it's someone like fucking Iron Man with Robert Downey Jr. - It would, yeah. - That's just his character. Every character needed a clip. - But even then after a while, it just got old where I'm just like, all right, yeah, we get it. - And they turned Thor into this very serious, it used to be a very serious character. And I admit he was too rigid, but now they just turned him into like,

just a budget like Tony Stark impersonator one line quip thing. It's just like, this is boring. And then you're like, okay guys, but now we have Chris Pratt who does the exact same fucking thing. And then it's like, all right, but then, and then everyone else. Yeah, it's just like everyone, it's like, yeah, like you said, it's like a fucking-

shitty game of Jackbox and "Cards Against Humanity" where everyone's trying to be the funniest person in the room. And it's like, not everyone needs to be. - Can we have a superhero movie where there's just like zero one liners? That would be kind of interesting to see if it holds up. - And it was like, even in "Guardians of the Galaxy" when I watched that, it was like, yeah, but it was like the only person who really consistently landed them was like the muscle big guy, what's his name? Dot.

- Dave Bautista. - Yeah, his was pretty, it matched his character. All the time when Chris Pratt did it, I was like, okay, all right, Chris Pratt, just be Chris Pratt, stop.

So that was fun. But yeah, that's my opinions on Superman movies. - At the end of it, I'm excited to watch Spider-Verse. - You will like it, it's good. - I'm sure I will. - Yeah, TLDR, Spider-Verse, great. Everyone knows it. Twitter won't shut the fuck up about it. It's impossible to avoid spoilers. - What it told me is that maybe we don't have superhero fatigue. Maybe we just have mid superhero movie fatigue.

- Bold takes. Maybe we have bad movie fatigue. - Only the spices takes the trash. - I actually, I've watched the Dungeons and Dragons movie. Did I say this last time? - Oh, no you didn't. - That was actually really good. - Really? - Yeah.

I don't know why it had to be Dungeons and Dragons. - It could have just been a fantasy film? - Well, I think 'cause they use a lot of stuff that was in Dungeons and Dragons in the like, a lot of the creatures. It was good though. It was very fun. Genuinely a pretty fun movie. - Was it good or was it just like acceptable? - No, it was fun. It was good. It was like actually good. - Okay. - It was very fun. I had a great time watching it.

- Dragons and dungeons, I assume. - Is it done in like- - No, I thought it was gonna be like they're all playing a game of- - It's not like Never Ending Story. - I knew this man's mind sometimes. - It's not like we have a conversation every fucking week. - I thought going into it, it was gonna be people playing Dungeons and Dragons and then it would be acting out the scenes and it could be like, "You rolled a four, get critical hit."

Something like that, you know, I just gave it like that. And I just didn't, I didn't want that. And luckily it wasn't that, it was literally just a fantasy thing that was just used aspect of what I, again, I don't know, I don't play Dungeons and Dragons, so I don't know which aspects were licensed or not. I think the spells, monsters, characters that were from Dungeons and Dragons in the story. But it was like a kind of like a heist gone wrong.

I can't remember what actually happens. - Did they ever introduce the dice roll aspect? - No, no, no, no. There's never a dungeons. There is not a dungeons and dragon aspect. It is the characters. - Yeah, it's basically just a campaign of dungeons and dragons. - Kind of, yeah. I'd literally just imagine a campaign, but there was no, there's no fourth wall. - Yeah, 'cause I thought for sure they were gonna do like what they did with like Neverending Story where it's like, there's a perspective of like them playing the game. - There was a narrator, but it's from the-

It's not from a person playing the character, it's from the character's perspective. So sometimes he narrates a little bit in the start to give you backstory, but that's during, I mean, it's all within story. It's fun, genuinely funny moments. Good, honestly, I kind of hope it does well 'cause I'd love to see another one. I just want more fantasy, I want more fantasy.

- I don't want more superhero. I want more fantasy. - I know what you're gonna say. - Let me tell you an entire genre. - No, no, no, no, no. - Let me tell you an entire genre where you can find a- - No! - He wants good fantasy. - I want good fantasy. Not big titty women who harems. I want good, a pretty good,

- Give me back Lord of the Rings, give me elves and fucking dwarfs. I wish we were good, me with the boys going on a journey. I don't need MILFs or fucking lollies or anything of this shit. Get it all out of here. - Give me "Michaud Cotenza" season two, man. That's coming out next season. - That's next season. - I am very, very excited about that. - That's what made "Lord of the Rings" the goat. It was just the boys on a journey.

That's what made it so good. - It's just a road trip, bro. - Just the fucking boys trying to get rid of the one ring, you know, throwing the model. - You got the Golem video game, right? That's the representation you get. - Nobody wanted that. - I've heard so much about that, but like, I don't know the details of it. I just heard that a lot of people hating on it.

- Yeah, because it's literally just, it's more buggy than cyberpunk when it came out. It's shit. And it wasn't even a good game to begin with. It's shit. The TLDR is shit. You don't even know about it. - How did you even like, so do you, you're gonna have to explain this to me. So do you play as Gollum? - Yes. - Which is conceptually already the worst fucking idea for a video game. - He's the least, no one has, out of all the characters in Lord of the Rings, the character that nobody wanted to play as was fucking Gollum. - Yeah. - Give me a Legolas game. - Yeah. - You know what I mean? - Arrow game. - Come on. - Something, you know? - Anything.

- I would love a- - Who asked? Who asked for this? - No one asked. - Who asked? - Give me like a heavy strategy game, Lord of the Rings, where it's like Age of Empires, Lord of the Rings. That's just fucking good. Give me some of this shit. - That'd be dope. - Give me a fucking movie that is just in a similar inspired world that's not fucking, I don't know, I'm fucking done.

- It's like doing a Harry Potter video game. Be like, "I think people want to play as Dobby actually." I think that'd be really interesting gameplay. What's Dobby up to? - Holy shit, it's exactly the same. - Yeah, it's just like, who thought playing as Gollum would be a good fucking idea? - Yeah. - I don't know, I just want more fantasy and less. I'm hoping that, 'cause you know, we've had a big upswing in fantasy. Hoping 'cause this movie kind of did, I think it did pretty well.

- Yeah. - I hope we get more fantasy movies. Would love to see more fantasy. - You mean kind of like the Tolkien as kind of fantasy? - It doesn't have to be that, just kind of more set in like kind of a medieval period or just kind of an older period. 'Cause you know, Game of Thrones popped off too. "House of Dragons" popped off. - Yeah. - "Digest of Dragons" popped off. It's clearly in, let's get more, come on. - I do not want more fantasy. - I don't want more "Lord of the Rings". - I want more sci-fi.

- Miss sci-fi so fucking much. - Okay, should we agree? We all agree as the council of shit takes. Less superhero, more sci-fi, more fantasy. - Yes, just less superheroes. - Actually there's- - I've been preaching this for years. I'm like, please, make it happen. - There's, I think a sci-fi series that I have, I'm very, very excited about.

And the reason was, was because I was like so star for sci-fi that I was like, I'm gonna read books. I'm actually going to read books. - Well, I mean, luckily we've had "Dune," which is, the first one was great. - Yeah, "Dune" is incredible. - Okay, okay. Let me rephrase. Give me more sci-fi that is not "Star Wars." I am so- - Same as medieval. Give me a fantasy. Give me more fantasy that isn't "Lord of the Rings." - Yeah. - Yeah.

- Dune part two is coming out. - Is this year right? - Yeah I thought so. - Yeah I thought it was next year. - Oh shit. - So me and the boys rocking up to Dune two bro. We're like, oh. - Dune two premiere. - Yeah a sci-fi series I think is in production right now. Can you confirm this Naby? Is a series called the three bodies problem or something like that. Which was a sci-fi book that I was very, very interested in reading.

But it's basically like, I think the premise of it, which, 'cause I've already read the synopsis. It's basically, there's something that proves that all of the scientific basis and all of the mathematic basis, which we base all of our sciences on, has been proven like false. So Einstein's proof of theory is false and everything like that. And then you just see,

And then scientists, and then you just see the reaction of the world where everything that we believe is false and wrong, all of reality. - Like Twitter. - Yeah, like Twitter. - So basically this is a movie where if what would happen to the world if someone L plus ratioed Einstein? - Yeah, essentially, essentially. - It's like shit. He got him. - What is it, Naby? - It's next year. - Next year, fuck yeah. Netflix, I think the...

This doesn't mean anything right now, but the showrunners for "Game of Thrones" is working on it. So that can be a yes or a no. - Okay. - I mean, clearly though, one thing you can argue about the "Game of Thrones" and "House of the Dragon" team is that the writing staff were fucking talented when they were crushing it in the older seasons. That was fucking like some of the best dialogue we've had

in TV for fucking decades. I'm really glad, really, really, really, really, really happy that "Dune" did well. Because like as a movie, you're watching it, you're like, this is like the complete opposite of like a Marvel film where it's like they are entrusting you so much

that you will get invested in this world. There's so, I mean, doing is like the first 30 minutes are pretty dialogue intense. - Oh yeah. - And so the fact that something like that can do well and be successful in this climate of like cinema where it feels that like that wasn't kind of welcome is so good. And the fact that a part, like it's a part one and,

I'm just so glad that Dune popped off. - And not to mention they took away again, like as someone who's read the books, they took away so much info from the books and yet it was still cohesive. - I mean, we've gushed about how good Dune is on this podcast. I'm just glad it did well. I really want more fantasy sci-fi. - I'm really glad it did well as well. And I think like, you know,

the latest example I can think of is, I'm gonna go off on a tangent, like Vinland Saga season two, where you look at Dune, you look at Vinland Saga season two, where it's a little bit slower than what you'd expect audiences to gravitate towards, but it's a lot slower, it's a lot more dialogue, more character driven. But one thing that's slowly been proven is that people actually have patience.

- If the show's good, man. - If the show or story or characters are good, people will have the patience to sit through that. 'Cause everyone thought that everyone was gonna drop "Villain Saga" season two because it was the farmland arc, it was slower. And then what's happened? It's kind of popped off.

It's given us one of the best memes and one of the most widespread memes in recent memory with like, "You have no enemies." I'm like, how did the meme from Vinland Saga season two out of everything pop off from TikTok, man? That's like, that's the biggest plot twist of 2023. - Isn't that from season one? - Huh? - Isn't that from season one? - I mean, it's from all of Vin Saga, but it's when it's in season two where we really see

where we really see that you have no enemies line. - It's just an unconventional show to have a meme from. - I'm gonna send Vinland Saga, even if it went downhill, 'cause we can finally go to a Welsh anime character and he's goaded. So I'm in that corner regardless. - Wales mentioned. - Give us more, you don't...

You don't need like fucking subway surfer on. - Give us some good slow burners, man. That's what I want. - Yeah, give us some good dramas, good slow burners. - It's a tough gamble. - It's a tough sell, but if shows like Steins Gate has proven anything, it's like, you could be slow as fuck, but if you stick it through to the end, then everyone can agree just how good it is. And I feel, yeah, we don't really get that as much anymore because

Is it because of people having shorter attention spans? Is it because of the TikTok generation? Hard to say, but- - Let's just blame everything on TikTok. - Let's just blame everything on TikTok. - Let's be boomers. - I think that's just a byproduct of what's happening. But like, you know, it's definitely just like, I've seen a recent trend, at least with like films where it's just like, we're not really getting as many of those slow burners or they're not getting as appreciated as- - I think it's 'cause,

the landscape of like going to the theater has changed drastically. So, you know, you now have to make your money on a movie in the theater where before, you know, you had DVD sales and you could rely on those kind of supplement things. And I think now when it plays in theaters, it has to sell. So it made this kind of, and streaming deals didn't really make much as we learned from the pandemic. Because, you know, even like Warner Brothers that made a,

not Batwoman, Catwoman, what is it called? - Catwoman. - They made a movie, a DC, I think, and it was completely done. But obviously I think there's a weird tax kind of thing where if you scrap it, you can save money. And I thought it was just wasn't even worth releasing. - Oh really? - 'Cause you could save more money from just scrapping it. - Oh, I never heard that. - There's some kind of tax reason where if they scrap it or don't release it, they get some kind of thing on it. And so I think we're at a point where

movies have to perform at the theater and so studios taking less risk which meant more movies that you were easily marketable and easy for people to understand yeah follow a formula less risk taking and then only sticking to kind of like very well established directors as well so we kind of you know it i think the reason it changed is because of that not because of

- Not because of subway surf. - The pandemic also fucking did a number on film and theater. So I think it's too easy to blame everything on TikTok. - No, of course. - I was just like, I was just- - I know, I know, I know. - Just in case. - It's just funny. - The comments are gonna go off and be like, yadda, yadda, yadda. Shut up, we know. - Yeah, we're not being serious, don't worry. - Okay, I don't know if this is gonna be a hot take or not. - Sure. - I actually, okay.

- I want less things to come out. - Okay. - Okay. Hear me out, hear me out. - Is that a hot take? - I don't know. Because am I complaining about too much of like a thing? - I feel, no, I feel. - There is way more stuff coming out. That is true. I mean, there's like five times the amount of TV series coming out now than there used to be. - And you know, you see this in the form of like every media, not just like,

TV series, but like anime as well. I'm pretty sure like music and like pretty much every form of like entertainment. And part of the big reason for that is one, the internet, two, the internet

to like make something is just a lot lower nowadays. But just means we get a lot of shit. We get so much shit to sift through. - It's pretty easy to sift through it. - Do you think so? - Yeah, I think so. - I think it's gotten easier to sift through it, but that doesn't really take away, I guess the stress of, you know, wanting to just find something that is good and will continue to be good, right? Whereas like, you know, back when like there was maybe what, like,

15, 20 anime made in an entire year. - Right? - Like, you know, early 2000 shit, you know. - Boomers remember that shit. - How many new anime released last season, Joey?

- It was 55, I believe. - Yeah. - 55 shows. - Yeah. - And two years ago it was like 30. - Yeah. But like, you know, you go back to like, you know, the early to mid 2000s, right? When, you know, I really started to kind of explore everything. Like there was maybe only like 30 shows to come out in an entire year.

So it was not only easier to be able to look at everything and being like, all right, what is it that I want to watch? What is that I don't want to watch? But now it's just like, you have fucking what? You said 55- - You can't watch all those shows and you shouldn't watch all those shows. - No, no, no, no. If you were to keep up with everything that's watching too,

Two entire seasons worth of anime every week just to keep up with everything coming up. - Yeah, that's too much. - And it's just like, you just don't have the time to watch or play every video game that comes out, watch every movie, watch every TV series. I kind of, but like, it just seems like sometimes

you look at something like Netflix and I feel like something like Netflix is just pumping out just as much shit as they can. They're just pumping out, they're pumping out stuff that I'm just like, this is like second monitor shit. This is just shit where I don't know what to watch because there's so much. So I'm just gonna put on some- - Just background noise. - Yeah, so I'm just gonna put on some crappy reality, like dating TV show. And then you look at something like HBO where I'm like, wow, everything you put out is a fucking banger.

And I wish there were more companies like HBO that just were like so dedicated to it. Instead of like pumping out as much shit as they could, just like curate the stuff that you have and just make it as good as possible. 'Cause I feel like there's so much mediocrity now

Everywhere, everywhere there's so much mediocrity now. Instead of just focusing on like good stuff that's gonna like stick with people. - This is tough. - Yeah. - How do you do that in the age of streaming where anyone, you know, you can just upload everything.

- Yeah. - There's not really a downside to having more programming for a lot of these websites or kind of TV stations. - And I think a lot of people as well will kind of take your point and make the argument of like, yeah, but you don't have to watch everything. Like you can make a choice to like see a trailer or something and being like, ah, no, I don't wanna watch it. Or I'll instead watch this. But like, I feel then that kind of creates the problem of,

like we've been talking about it this entire fucking episode of like, there's too many fucking marble films and now I'm fatigued over it. Even if you don't- - Fatigue. - Fatigue. - Yeah. - Fatigue. - That sounds like when you play too much fake. - Well, like, you know, I didn't watch every Marvel film.

I haven't watched most of the Marvel films, but I still have fatigue over it because it's just like, I wanna stop fucking seeing it. Even just like seeing it, like just offhandedly, like even a trailer or people talking about it or whatever. I'm just like, all right, I get it. Can we actually like talk about something for some amount of time before we just throw it away and being like, let's just, this is new thing now. It's just like, again, like I feel,

And anime is the same thing where it's like, it's not so much I don't want to see these shows. It's just that I just can't see these shows because now I'm confused. I'm like, all right, well, fuck. Now before when there was only maybe five shows I actually wanted to watch, now there's like 50 shows I wanna watch.

but I can't realistically watch all of them. - Yeah, I feel like people would just move on so quickly now. Like once you finish one thing, you're like marathon it in a day and you're like, "That was good. "All right, time for the next thing." And you're just like, there's never that, like if you miss the conversation that happens the week after season finale airs, you're just never gonna talk about that thing

to anyone ever again. - Well, I mean, yeah, you know, recent anime is a great example of that, of being like, you know, it's so incredibly hyped up while it's airing and people will be like, "This is a show that people are gonna be talking about for years to come." - Yeah. - Nine times out of 10, the moment the last episode finishes, everyone forgets about it. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly right. Sometimes people are like hyping up this new show. It's not just anime, but a week, a week,

the new season starts and everyone's like, all right, what's the new shiny thing? What's we gonna talk about today? - Exactly. - I do miss the time period where it did feel like everyone had like a baseline of things that we had all kind of like collectively watched. 'Cause I felt that way, not just with anime, but just like with movies as well. If you find someone into movies, you'd have like,

sort of had like a baseline of just like classic movies that everyone had seen. But now it just seems like everyone has just watched. - It's random now. - It's just fucking randomized depending on what that person has been recommended on Netflix or whatever. And like there isn't that same kind of sense of,

- Community. - Community. Like even with just movie going watching where people have like, oh, you've seen like the classics, right? You've seen these shows. Wait, you haven't seen fucking "Terminator" or "Jurassic Park" or something like that? You know what I mean? You know, it would always start that conversation. But nowadays no one has time to watch old movies. No one has time to watch the classics or go back because there's just too much stuff being made. - Even though you should. - Even though you should. - Because they're classics for a reason. - Yeah, yeah.

- Yeah, I don't know. I'm just a boomer missing that old man gone missing the old good old days. - Exactly. - Back when everyone played, you know, every kind of like,

back when everyone played the same kind of thing. - Back when everyone was watching the same stuff, playing the same stuff, listening to the same stuff. Now it's just like, it's harder to find people to relate to because everyone is, because there's infinite possibilities now of what anyone can watch. And it's like, it's so hard now, like, especially if you're not constantly watching all the popular stuff, you know, it's very difficult to be like, oh, did you watch that one show that I really enjoyed? And they'll be like, never heard of it. - Yeah, exactly.

- Well, one thing you definitely have heard of is the Trash Taste podcast. You're listening to it right now. - Yes. - Joey, tell them. - Yeah. - Tell them, Joey. - Yes, that's right. You're listening to it. I don't know why you'd be 150 something episodes and not heard of us, but hey, look at these patrons though. They've definitely heard of the show. - Huge. - Yeah. - And they love it so much that they're supporting us directly so that we can make great content for you guys. And if you would like to support us directly as well, then head on over to patreon.com/taste.

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