We’re Now Too Old For Anime | Trash Taste #166
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- Welcome back to another episode of Trash Taste. I'm Connor and I'm with the boys, Connor and Joey. They didn't know I was gonna do that, so welcome back. - What the hell? Give us a warning. - Yeah, I was just singing Pendulum there for a second. - So, I, last night, I ordered Thai food and I ordered Thai food from this place. It sounds like an AI conversation. - Yes, yes, okay. I am judging, you have my attention, Connor. - I know you like Thai food. He's a Thai man. And I had two Thai places that I like to order from. One of them,

does like just the best green curry. It's just great. It's perfect spice level. The other one, they have Thai sausage, which if you've never had it, it's amazing. Try it, it's so good. - It's good, yeah. - It doesn't taste as much like sausage in my mind as other stuff, but it's just filled with ungodly amount of spice, spices. And they do that, but the green curry isn't as good. So I'm like, "Oh shit." So this time I ordered from that place with the Thai sausage 'cause I'm kind of craving the sausage.

And I leave a note saying, hey, last time you gave me this green curry, there was no spice to it. Can you add the spice, please? And they did. And they added a hot sauce. And now you're bleeding out of your ass. Today has been a rough day for me. I think they definitely, I literally, I translated it into Japanese. I said, can you please make it spicy? Last time it wasn't.

- I think they took that as an insult. - I didn't want to be that guy. I tried to frame it not like an insult, but that it would definitely catch their attention to be like, oh, this fucking guy? Fine. 'Cause I wanted the spice level to be insane. I was not expecting the jump that they added. It was like, it went from like no spice whatsoever for Japanese people to just,

- It was like, it was spicy for even Thai. It was crazy. - I think it was the, you know, if I were to see that note, it's the, it wasn't spicy enough last time. - Yeah, last time it wasn't. There was like no spice to it. The only reason I thought to do this, 'cause you did this one time as well, but you wrote it in Thai, right? You were like, "Hey, please make it spicy, I'm Thai." - Don't worry, I'm Thai.

- I don't want it in Thai. - Well, that's the thing, 'cause I swear I wrote it last time as well and they just completely ignored me. - Right, did you write it in Thai though? - I wrote it in Japanese. - That's why. - And this time I wrote it in Japanese too. They listened and my God. - But they took it as a challenge. - I think they took it, yeah. I think they literally were like, "Let's kill this man, man." And I ate it all, it was great. It was very spicy though. I was like, the kind of spicy where you're like, you know when the burps keep coming up, you're like.

- It was good though. - Did you get the hiccups? - I did get the hiccups a little bit, but it was great. It was so good. - That's how you know it's good though. - The flavor was amazing. They finally upped it. Next time I gotta be like, "Hey, where was the chicken though?" There was like one bite.

So next time you write that, be like, "Hey, so where's the chicken?" It'll just be a whole chicken in your curry. - It's a rotisserie chicken that turns up. - Just keep challenging them and they'll just like keep upping it. - Well, now I know that they're actually reading the special instructions, which I thought they would anyway.

I guess sometimes they just don't. Sometimes they're like, fuck you. I'm not listening to your special instructions. - I'm not getting paid enough to do this shit. - I'm not listening to your damn special instructions. Someone named Connor. - How are you with Vietnamese food when you're in Vietnam? 'Cause I know Vietnamese food for like Southeast Asian levels isn't that spicy. - No, I would definitely, there's a tier list of spiciness when it comes to Southeast Asian food. And it's from least spicy to most spicy. It's Filipino, Vietnamese,

and then like Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand are like up here. - Yeah. - So it's like, you can choose spiciness if you want. It's like a choice like with Filipino food, but it's not like, oh, with or without the spice makes a difference. - I like how Thailand just removed the choice. They're like, no, no, you will die. You will get used to it. - Thailand's like, this is how it works. You're gonna take it or leave it. - I mean, I understand why they would do it.

- But also, I mean, I know there's history behind it and whatnot. - Yeah. - And stuff in spice stores better, yada, yada, yada. But from just a modern day perspective, surely it ruins your taste buds going anywhere else in the world. You're like, man, nothing is spicy anymore. - No, okay.

- I don't agree with that just because- - Fuck you, you're wrong, you're a piece of shit. - Fuck you, fuck you. Actually spice is superior. Everything could be improved with spice. No, I don't think that's true. I think Thai cuisine especially is just like the way it's cooked and the way it's flavored, it just really much lends to having some spice in it.

And because I don't like all spicy food, I've talked about this before, like having the Japanese curry and having like the different tiers of spice. And sometimes there's a point where you just feel like you're adding spice in artificially. And that just like, that ruins this. - It's not like spice that's integrated into the dish, it's like kind of spice on top. - Did you see the cook where she added a new level? - Have they added a new level? - Yeah, it's level 15 now. - Do you just like take a scoop of like the chili powder and just like...

- Yeah, it comes with a side of like bowl of chili. - How bad can it be? - Yeah. - Well, I mean, I can't do a 10, so. - Kind of tempted to order it now. - I only found out because of course every Japanese YouTuber was like, oh, free content. - If we ordered it right now, would you take a teaspoon?

- I'll try it. - Let's order it. Let's order the 15. - Are you serious? - Let's do it. We'll get a small, we'll get a small. I want to see how bad it is. How bad can it be? 'Cause the 10's pretty bad. - I wasn't expecting to die today. - No, no, no, no, it's a little bit. So in Coco Echi, they do one to 10 and the 10 is pretty bad actually. I don't know what the fuck they are. - I can't, okay.

- I'm gonna bring it right now. - Just for reference. - This is how we keep people hooked as well. Just like, I gotta come back later. - Yeah, wait till the end. - It does get bad. - For reference, the comfortable level for me is level three. - Right. - Right? And I've tried level four, 'cause, and you know, that's a glow up considering me who- - Yeah, you've done well. - You've done very, very well. - I used to think level one was like, oh God, man. - I'll get the low carb carry. - Thank you. 'Cause that was my other concern. Yeah, like I used to, I'd say like before these guys moved- - It jumps from 10.

Hopefully I'm not showing anything. It jumps from 10 just to 15. - There's no like 11 to 14? - No. - They got burns by 15 days. - Yeah, I'm ordering. - Yeah, but like for reference, like before these guys moved to Japan, I was not as used to eating spicy food or, you know, I couldn't handle it as well. It's only thanks to like,

me eating spice food with these guys and just doing like, you know, like the spicy ramen and like the ghost pepper and shit that I've had to do for video has definitely helped me. - Having just one ghost pepper in your life reframes like spice for your body. - Yeah. - It like makes you reevaluate what a jalapeno means. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Jalapenos used to be like, oh spicy to like, oh, this is a nice garnish. - Yeah, I could, I legit couldn't even like eat a habanero. - I love habanero.

- I remember a video of you eating habanero and you were just dying. - Oh yeah. - 'Cause like back then I was like jalapenos were like my max that I could go to. - I told you that one time I made like chili with ghost pepper, right? - Yeah. - When I did that, I don't know if I told this on the podcast, but I basically put two ghost peppers in 'cause I thought for like a batch of chili of like eight people, like it would be fine. - It would level out. - Yeah, it would level out. It didn't happen like that. And I gave some to my housemate and she was just,

dying, she was like bright red, be like, "You had a little bit of spice too?" I was like, "Yeah, a little bit, I had two peppers, ghost peppers." But it was hot. - See, the thing I, as a Thai person, when I like spice, I want chilies, I want fresh chilies. I don't like so much like chili sauce, I don't like dunk it in a fuck ton of chili sauce, I want like the fresh chilies, I wanna see the chili seeds

in the dish that I'm cooking. 'Cause to me that gives a much more like fresher kind of like spice, like feeling that's not kind of like artificial. Like if I have like too much chili sauce, it just upsets my stomach, I feel. - But that's the thing, right? It's like, you know, when I had the ghost pepper, right? I completely understand, you know, the whole concept of adding like chili peppers or like ghost peppers into a dish, right? Because the spice compliments the baseline flavor of whatever the dish is.

- I mean, maybe with your, not yours, but like with a lot of like Thai food, for example, and like Vietnamese food, like, yeah, I can totally see why this is necessary. But when I had the ghost pepper on stream, it was like the ghost pepper itself doesn't really have flavor, in my opinion. It's like I ate into bell pepper, but it had gunpowder inside of it. It's like, there's no like, this is delicious kind of thing. - Yeah, the only flavor is just pepper.

- It's just pain. - Yeah, it's just pain. - Well, that was like when I did the one chip challenge and I thought it was just like, it can't be that bad 'cause people do it. And I thought, you know, if it's really bad, people wouldn't be doing it. That one was pretty fucking bad. That was like, I think it was Carolina Reaper. And that one was like, it tasted like two of them. - If it's just one chip, I assume it's gonna be the spiciest pepper that you can get. - It's fucked. - Concentrated. - Yeah, I'm good, dog. That ain't it. - Let's just fucking take pure capsaicin or whatever it's called.

You know, let's call up Nigel and just be like- - Fuck. - That'll be the next Coco Ichi level. - My stomach hurts thinking about this Coco Ichi that's coming. I still haven't recovered from this Thai food. - Yeah, you know, I wanted to have a good day today. - What's the spoonful? What's the spoonful? It's fine, it'll be fine. - But while we're waiting, you know, I had my weekly existential crisis because, okay.

I was just lying in bed and you know, just next to Sydney. It was the first thing in the morning and she's just like, "Hmm, is that a gray hair I see over there?" And I'm like, "Sydney, don't say that. Don't, don't, don't." - I think you could rock gray hair though. I think you'll look great with gray hair. - I mean, I think, okay, here's the thing, right? I don't mind having gray hair. I know this sounds like fucking copium, but- - You wear turtleneck scarves.

- Turtlenecks are built for people with gray hair. You're gonna look great and it'll complete the full arc of Gigguk's hair. Full anime pro tag to mellow down Southeast Asian. - Yeah, you're gonna go from anime enthusiast to like fucking Southeast Asian mathematician.

- Yeah, so I don't mind having like the odd gray hair if I am graying, oh my God, I can't believe I'm talking about this on a podcast, but whatever. But like, it just put like a thought in my head, right? Just to be like- - Life is futile. - Life is futile. I am getting old because whenever this video is coming out, so like,

my next video that I've been working on this week, which will probably be out, is kind of like a fucking, it's a full on fucking D-Gen anime, like full on D-Gen manga kind of level. And I'm just like, I remember like it was that day where Sidney told me I had a gray hair, took the shower, started writing my script. And I'm just like, how much longer can I get away with doing this shit? - Talking about degenerate anime stuff. - Yeah, because like,

I remember when I was younger, right? My parents would be like, "You're gonna grow out of anime someday. "You'll grow out of this phase someday. "You're gonna grow up." And then I just never did. And to be fair, I do not think I'm ever going to grow out of like anime or gaming or this shit that like our parents told us we'd grow out of when we were younger. But there are certain things where I'm like,

Can I get away with this? - I see you came to the realization I came to about two years ago. - Oh yeah, yeah. - Well, it's like, I think obviously anime being, well, it's not new, but in terms of like having more of a fandom around it in the West, it's certainly more on the newer end compared to something like, let's say Star Wars, which has been around since what, 80s? - Or like comic books. - You know?

you look at like the demographic of people who go to Comic-Con, you're like, "A lot of you dudes are like in your 50s or late 40s." And it's like, well, clearly,

this is not like nowadays we are past the, 'cause obviously the consuming media and this type of stuff is all kind of new and like this generation or the current generation that's alive. So it's like, I think, I don't think it's like you grow out of it anymore. I think it's, if you're still into something when you're 30, odds are you'll still be into that thing or something adjacent to it at 50, 60. I think,

- Maybe talking about anime titties. You might do that lash. - Okay, okay, Joey, Joey. When do you think you're gonna stop liking anime lewds on Twitter? At what age do you think it will become unsocial geek stuff? - The moment you have a kid, you have to stop. - Definitely. - I did think about that. - The moment you have a kid, you cannot be like the lewds. - Definitely the moment I have a kid, for sure.

- I think the moment I have a kid, I'm probably just gonna like just cut back on social media entirely. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is I think the right thing to do. - Yeah, which I think is the way to go. - Or double it. - And give it to the next person? - Make the kid the new star.

- Mel Kim for money. - I'll be like the Anime Man Twitter account is now being handled by my son. So anything he likes and you like. - The Anime Man Junior. - Anime Man Junior is gonna like it. So, you know, his taste, it's all his taste now. It's got nothing to do with me. - Yeah, because I've had this thought because I came to the same conclusion where it's just gonna be like, okay, when me and Sydney eventually have kids, that's probably going to be a huge catalyst to change some of our behavior.

But just because I know that, you know, it's gonna become less socially acceptable to let's say talk about this in public. It's just something in my brain gonna change to be like, okay, actually anime titties are uncool now. You should not like this stuff 'cause I- - I think so, yeah. - You think so? - I think it's like a gradual change of taste. Like maybe one thing that was super lewd, you might not-

be as comfortable interacting with that kind of stuff. But you still like loot stuff, but it's like, okay, you're slowly maybe going away from that. - Yeah. - I mean, even just like- - It's like your opinions on life. Stuff like that happens all the time. - I mean, even just like my taste in like, you know, like the more degenerative shows or whatever. Like I remember there were so many shows when I was like,

13 to 15 years of age where I'm just like, oh, it's lewd, masterpiece. This is the greatest piece of fiction. - High school DXT. - Greatest piece of fiction. - High school of the dead. - Yeah, and now, you know, and some of them are still great just because of the other components that made that show great. But you know, I would say a good 80% of those like lewd shows that I used to think were like great shows. I look at it now and I'm just like, eh,

- And it's not like, and you know, maybe it's because I've just like grown out of that phase or maybe- - 'Cause you have a girlfriend, Joey. - Well, yeah. Or maybe it's because I touch grass. I don't know. Either way, my tastes have definitely changed, but I don't regret that. 'Cause I feel that's just the natural process for anyone.

regardless of whether you fucking do it for a living or not. It's like, yeah, obviously the shows that you thought were fucking amazing back in the day and you look back at it in retrospect, you probably think to yourself, it either didn't age as well or you're just like, it's not really my wheelhouse anymore. - I think it's interesting as well 'cause on the podcast we always talk about what we like, dislike, share opinions and stuff 'cause that's all we ever do. And I've noticed that it started happening more and more where people will be like,

"Oh, one of us said something that contradicts "something we said three years ago." And it's like, okay, Trash Taste is gonna get to that point where as we're growing older and we're changing our opinions and our views on things, we're obviously gonna contradict

what we said three years ago. 'Cause we're gonna change your mind on stuff. And it's so weird having to do that. - Isn't it insane to think that opinions change? Isn't that crazy? - And also, isn't it insane to think that we just say dumb shit sometimes? - Sometimes we don't think. - But I can understand why a viewer can get that because it's like you have this kind of want, it's like a complete video that is,

a complete recreation of you three years ago. It's completely there and you saying that thing and it's still you today who is that person in the video. So it's very easy, I think, for a person to think that why would their opinion change? 'Cause it feels so recent and so accessible, this opinion, when obviously you said it three years ago and they don't see the entire journey or follow that entire journey of how you changed your mind on things.

- And sometimes it doesn't even, it's not even like a matter of like time, you know, it could just be something like you thought about this one thing maybe because you were, you know, uneducated in it or you didn't have enough information, you didn't have enough of like a scope on it. And then once you got the more full picture and you really thought it through, then you're like, oh, you know what? Maybe my prior opinion on that was just wrong or, you know, wasn't reflective of what I think now in my current head space. And you know, that could happen as early as like,

fucking within the year with some people. You know, it's like sometimes one person could say- - Sometimes it's like last week. - Yeah, yeah. One person could say one thing that just completely shifts your mind on it and your opinions change on that forever. But on the world of the internet where any video of any timeline is accessible at any time, someone will look at it and be like, "Oh look, see, he's contradicting himself." I'm like, "Who doesn't?"

Everyone contradicts themselves. That's what an opinion is. Opinions are supposed to change. - Yeah, did you guys, okay, like going back to what it means like grow up and like change your opinion, like be an adult. Did you guys have this like image of let's say you're like, you know, in your late teens going into like, you know, 17, 18 year olds going to university or whatever. And you had like this image about how adults are like supposed to act.

Like, oh, once you finish high school, adults are meant to act this way. Or once I finished university, go into the working world, adults are meant to act that way. And then you-

you actually do grow up and you go into the working world, you go into university and you just have this like image in your mind about how people your age are supposed to act. And then you've realized, holy shit, people do not act the way that I thought they would at all. - There's that, but there's also the opposite where it's like, you look at an adult, say like your parents, right? Or your dad or whatever. And you think like,

not every dad likes this kind of shit. Like I'm not gonna be like that when I get older. And then you grow up and you're like, holy shit, I used to think trips to Ikea were boring as fuck. And now I'm super excited to see this new couch. And it's not even like a matter of like, you growing up. It's just like, oh, this is just like a natural progression that every adult goes through, whether you like it or not. And it's like, and it's not, and you get old enough to the point where you realize, oh, it's not even cool trying to go against that grain because now everyone's doing it.

- Yeah. - You know, it's like, there isn't a single adult out there who's like, "You like furniture? Fucking normie." Like no one's like that. It's like, it's just a natural thing that like, as an adult, there's nothing wrong with, and it's completely a natural progression to just adopt those like interests and styles regardless of how you live or how you grew up. - This episode is sponsored by ExpressVPN. Going online without ExpressVPN is like not having a case on your phone.

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'cause obviously we turned 18, we're adults. What did you feel like you became an adult? - Still waiting. - Oh really? - Okay, okay. It's half and half. - When do you feel that you felt that you were comfortable in like who you were as a person and as an adult and like functioning? - I would say 26,

- I'm still uncomfortable. - I understand. - Yeah. - You're still uncomfortable? - I'm still uncomfortable with some things. - 'Cause one thing I, there was this feeling that I always struggled to shake. And I don't know where this comes from, but you know when you like, let's say, maybe this is because I went straight into YouTubing after finishing university. But you know when you turn up to a place and, 'cause we're like YouTubers and stuff and I don't know what it is,

you feel that like everyone is like doing their job and you feel like you are like fake at being there, being like present. Like you feel that everyone knows their role and you feel like you're faking that you're involved in this. - Every time I get invited to like a company outing or like a fancy dinner party and shit, I'm just like, I am a child.

I should not, I make YouTube videos. I should not be here. Even though all the adults around you are just like, yeah, he's got a job, he's making money, he's got his own business, he's an entrepreneur. But like in your mind, you're just like, no, I'm not, I'm just a fucking kid making dumb videos on the internet and somehow making a living off of it. Like, I don't feel like all of you actual professional adults, whatever that means. - I think one of the biggest realizations I had when I was like fully an adult was,

Yeah, growing up, I thought the one thing that would happen when I went into the working world was I'd realized that people would suddenly become competent. And then I soon realized that no matter which industry, no matter where you are,

- There will always be incompetent people and there will especially somehow be incompetent people in positions of high power. Like no matter what. And I just had this image that I was like in fucking university. I'm just like dealing with this university kids. I'll just be like, everyone here is a fucking idiot. When I get into the working world, people will suddenly start to make sense. The world's gonna make sense. People will do their jobs.

And then I went into the working world and people still didn't do their fucking jobs. - And you were like, damn, adults are dumb. Adults are fucking dumbasses sometimes, right? - And I'm just like, is this what being an adult is like? Just realizing that the world is actually incompetent and everyone's coping with the fact that- - Like damn, bitch, you live like this? Holy fuck. How are you adulting? - I'm like, how the fuck do these companies function? And then somehow these companies do function, but you go into the companies at like a,

either an entry level where you see how the company functions internally. And you're like, how is this? How does the world turn? I don't understand when there are this many incompetent people in the world. Maybe this is just a me thing. - It's people like that that make me realize like, oh, you can be a dumb ass adult and still survive. - Yeah, well, I think, yeah, 'cause you remember that one guy who fucked everything up more than the 10 guys who did that job. - Yeah, exactly. - Is it here already? - Yeah.

Like I thought that one guy who does nothing in a group project was like a school thing. I thought that one guy who just sits around and does nothing and takes all the credit for the group project was a school thing. And then I realized that this is just a world thing. - That's called a CEO. - It's people like that who end up in high positions of power.

- It's like, yes, I am present. - You just hope, right? You hope that those people don't get rewarded for that and that the people who work hard do. And that's kind of the trust you have in the system is that people who work hard, you just hope they'll be recognized. - And it's interesting, right? Because it's like that one kid in every school project

that as you were saying, like fucking is just shows up, but it takes all the credit. Yeah, you know, some of those people just never grow out of it. And they're just like, oh, I mean, it worked in school. It probably works as an adult. Let's see how it goes. And then there are some people I feel who are in that position during school. And they're just like, wait, this works in a school environment. If I did that shit in the real world,

I'm getting sacked dog. Like I'll be out of a job. - Well, if you're not in Japan. - If you're not in Japan, in Japan they just like we've gamed the system. Just show up and don't do anything and you can't get fired. - Sounds all right. - I mean like, okay, I don't know if this is a loaded question, but do you guys feel like adults? - I already asked that.

- I literally asked you that. - You asked when, you asked when if you do do. - Okay, in that case, what is your... - Shut the fuck up. - I just loved it. I just said that.

- You're so different, but it's just out of the sense. - Apologies. - We're fucking idiots. - Okay, so to reiterate on that question though, what would you say is the defining feature of what you consider an adult? - I think,

- Like what is the difference between an adult and a still a fucking like young guy? - I think that being an adult means feeling like you have a place in the world and you have a purpose. And that you're serving a goal, whether it's yourself or working in a company and you feel that you're in something that is right for you and you're benefiting yourself or whatever it is. Like I feel like it's a purpose. - Oh, that ain't an adult.

- That is not an adult. - I think it's like when to yourself it feels that way. I think society is the term adult, yeah, 18. But I think the moment you internalize, like when you feel that like you yourself have like figured it, not figured it out, but like you feel that, okay, I'm starting to get a grasp on this life thing. 'Cause when you're like, the pieces start to fall in place. - Right. - Yeah. - 'Cause like, I think what you just- - Is it the Coco AG?

- We'll do that later. I feel like what you just described is pretty much almost like the opposite for me. Because when I feel like an adult, when I first started to feel like an adult is when I first started to feel like lost.

And I kind of realized, holy shit, everyone my age feels lost. 'Cause when you think that you found like, as an adult, you're striving to find that place where you kind of feel like you know your place in the world, you're bringing something useful. I know so many fucking people, let's say like,

- I think most people don't feel that way. - Yeah, most people don't feel that way. Most people that I've met in their mid to early 20s to sometimes late 30s, early 40s, they feel fucking lost and they're like, "I do not know what I am contributing. "And I do not know where my place in life is." - And you think that feeling of being lost equates to being an adult?

- Like the shared experience of that being lost. - Yeah, I feel like because when you are a teenager, you think that you're just gonna suddenly figure it out. And I remember getting my first acceptance letter for like my first real job, which you all know what it is. I thought, fuck, this is it. - BBC? - Yeah, I thought to myself, fuck, this is it.

I am finally an adult, I've made it, man. I've got my first job, actually gonna have disposable income, gonna get a paycheck. Worked there for a year and I felt more lost than when I started. And I feel like that experience is probably not going to be an alien experience to a lot of people. And then when I started feeling more comfortable was when I talked to people and I was like, oh, this isn't a me thing, this is an,

Everyone thing, we're all feeling the same way. We all have no fucking clue what we're doing. - See, but then like, I would argue, you know, you said that like during, you know, like high school or whatever, there's a lot of people who are just like, yeah, I have like a set plan. I'm gonna figure that shit out. But I don't know, me personally, I felt lost as fuck during high school. 'Cause I was just kind of like,

I understood that in this school environment. - I think that's the norm though. - Yeah, but that's the thing, right? It's like, so it's interesting you say that the feeling of being lost made you feel like an adult because I feel like when I was lost, it made me feel like I was still a child because I was still trying to figure out

my place in society. And then it's when I finally figured out what I wanted to do, which was this whole YouTube creative thing. That's when I started to be like, okay, this isn't like games, this is just games and play anymore. Like this is like a serious,

this is a serious job for me now. And like, even though I still, you know, treat that whole business and occupation as, you know, with a lot of fun and, you know, casual, you know, way. I also understand that the back of my mind, I'm like, if I fuck this up, then it's not just a matter of like, oh, well, no, I've lost a hobby or I've lost a thing that I like. Like I have lost a job. Like I am, you know, and that creates serious consequences in my life. So I feel like,

For me it was the opposite. - Being an adult is consequences. - I think, yeah. - It's dealing with- - Yeah, because in high school, if you fucked up, you had people around you there to support you, right? Whether it, you know, and you know, obviously not every high school kid has this, but you know. - That's interesting, we all have very three different interpretations. - Yeah. - Yeah, I mean, 'cause I feel like- - I think they all have valid reasonings as well. - Yeah, absolutely. - I think they just come from,

our own subjective life experience. Because I feel like we are all in very lucky positions now and that we do have a job which we find fulfilling.

That is a fucking rarity and that is a goal that everyone strives to get. And I feel so fucking blessed every day I wake up and I know that I'm doing something that I find fulfilling 'cause doing like three, four years of an unfulfilling job working for a company, that's soul sucking. And people have done that for far longer than I had to experience. So it's something I think we have to acknowledge that

I feel like we've found our purpose in life. - Absolutely, yeah. - A lot earlier than some other people may have found. - Yet isn't it interesting that even though we, as far as what we've talked about, the definition of being an adult. - Yeah. - By definition, since we have found a job that is an actual legitimate job and we find satisfaction and we feel fulfilled in, which is what we have kind of lightly defined as being an adult. - Yeah. - Yet if you ask any traditional media about YouTube, they'll be like, "Oh, these fucking kids."

just fucking around, having fun, all that kind of stuff. And it's interesting, this disparity of having a stable job, I guess, or a real world job that's not content creation on YouTube is considered the adult choice. And yet I'm sure there's a lot of people in those job fields who maybe don't feel that way themselves. - Yeah, I feel like times change a lot and you just gotta adapt with the times. I mean, fucking 40 years ago,

you look like a degenerate child if you're still living with your parents at the age of like 30 or 28. And now the reality of the world is that the housing and rent prices are so fucking high that- - Give me money and I'll get the fuck out. - There are a lot of people who still live with their parents, not because they are a deadbeat degenerate, just because it's a wise financial choice. And they still have a job that they commute to

from like their parents. And it's just like a small thing to do nowadays. It's just like the way the world is. But like what I, okay, so. - You're an adult when you feel like an adult.

I feel at the end of the day. - I guess what I was trying to get is like, how do you, like, what is the turning point or what is the series of thoughts or emotions that make you feel that way? 'Cause obviously, of course you feel like an adult when you're an adult, whatever. But like, what is the, what is that? - Okay, at least for me personally, it's the feeling of every action I take from here on out, every choice I make from here on out have,

real life consequences, whether that be good or bad. - I think the term you're looking for is responsibility. - Yes.

- That's it. I am responsible for everything I do, everything I say, who I interact with, how I interact with everything in my world is now directly gonna come back to me. There's no parent buffer, there's no teacher buffer, there's no anyone in between to like hold your hand or smooth it out. - I always wanted that though as a kid. I hated the fact that I was tied to like,

not in a bad way, but like tied, everything was directly tied to my parents in some way. I always wanted to have independence. - Well, and I think that's why a lot of high school kids, you know, have that feeling of like, I want to be an adult. - Yeah. - But okay. - One of the independence, why I'm American. - Do you ever like, you know, as a kid, the kind of like stereotype is there are kids who grew up way too fast and they miss like their, let's say,

childhood or things that you can only experience as a kid. Do you feel like there are parts of your childhood that you do miss or as a kid where you just like, I just want to be an adult as fast as possible. And it's kind of like, let's say met the hype of everything that you thought being an adult was as a kid. - I mean, I think there's a lot of- - Well again, we have to bear in mind that

I think it's different, right? 'Cause I think that again, like you said, we're successful in what we do. So obviously being successful at whatever age or having money at 23 is obviously like great, whatever. I'm like, that's awesome. That's so much better than being 23 and having to work two jobs just to pay rent. And that's like, and I think,

that's not on the person from their childhood. I think that's just purely of like, were you dealt a good hand in life? Were you fucked? Did you make any big mistakes that came back to haunt you? Like, I guess there's a bunch of reasons. So it's hard to like, be like, I think it's impossible to be like predetermined if you were gonna be someone who like thought that your childhood was better. Like, I think it's something that just happens, fuck up happens. Like what if you were, you know, you had a, you were,

you had a really good childhood, but you couldn't wait to be an adult, you matured and whatever. And maybe you got in like a bad car crash and then maybe you can't, you lost, you know, maybe you're blind or maybe like something bad happened to you or maybe a loved one died. And it's like, okay, well that would completely change how you view all of this stuff following. And you would obviously look back at your childhood in a lot more like kind of,

what's the word, nostalgia. 'Cause you're like, oh, everything was fun and safe and great back then. And I could play video games and drink Ribena and it was fun. - Yeah, I guess we can only really talk about our personal. - Yeah, I mean, we can only talk about our personal experiences. - However, I do think that I,

if I had to go back, I'd probably still enjoy being a kid 'cause all I was playing video games and that's kind of what I want to do now. - Okay, question. What age, if you could go back in time to your childhood, right? For let's say a week to experience it again, how old would you be? - Dude, being like 15, 16 was like the best age. I loved that. 'Cause I felt old enough to enjoy shit

and be mature about it. I hated the exams obviously. But I felt like I was mature enough, but I could still spend all day playing video games. - I would go back to like 12. - 12, why 12? - I think 12. - 'Cause like 12 is like kind of that point where you're like transitioning from primary school or elementary school to high school, at least in Australia. And I feel like just you're taken a little bit more seriously than while you're in elementary school, but you still have all of the benefits of being

fresh out of elementary school, right? - Yeah. - You can do more kind of childlike activities and be okay with it. You can basically indulge in all your hobbies, whether they're more mature or less mature for your age. - Yeah. - I could,

I could do all of like the more immature, I guess like high school hobbies at the same time. But if I wanted to fucking stay at home and watch anime for 15 hours while sucking on my thumb, then I can also do that too. Like it's fine. Like you get- - You're like take me back to when I liked anime. - Yeah, take me back to the time where I could watch anything and I'd probably enjoy it. - Honestly, Joey's same. - As a jaded old man now,

- No, I can't do that. Take me back to when I discovered one piece and I fucking marathon that shit in a week. - Exactly. - I think as an adult, you just miss being able to not feel bad about spending one week doing fucking nothing. - Yeah. - And now- - 'Cause that was your whole life. - So the next time we get to do that is when we retire.

- Yeah. - And we're like 50 or 60 years old, an old man. - But we don't have the, we don't have as much energy as we did back then. So you're kind of limited to what you can do. - I still watch a lot of TV and stuff. - Yeah, you can do that. - I mean, like to me, I think I can just boil it down to like a sentence, which is like, when was the last Christmas I was actually excited about? You know what I mean? Like when was the last time you went to bed on Christmas Eve and you're like, oh, I'm getting,

- When I got that Nintendo Wii, it was a game changing Christmas. - Yeah, yeah. - And to me it was like, I think it was around like 12, 13 years old. That was like the last point where I'm like, oh, I can actually get presents. - It was when holidays actually like meant something. - Right, right. - It wasn't just like, I'm doing stuff with my family and friends. It was like a fucking event. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. - It was nice when you had to, Christmas day you're like, damn.

I gotta play Crash Bandicoot, Spyro and this newer game. I don't know which one to do first. - It was just the excitement of just being like, this is just gonna be a banger day. No matter what. - The next week I am in heaven. I am gonna play new video games.

video games that I can only get this many video games at once on this day. I'm gonna eat some banger food and it's just gonna be a good day. And that to me is kind of like the pure happiness that I will never experience again as an adult because it's great. - It's a different kind of happiness. - It's a different kind of happiness, which you know, I'm very happy being an adult, but you know, there is a certain type of happiness you feel as a kid

that I would love to experience again, just once. Just once. - And I feel the only way to like realistically be able to experience that again is when you have your own kids, where you can kind of live vicariously through the enjoyment of watching your kids experience that exact same thing that you probably experienced as a kid as well. - Yeah, until we become an anime fan.

- Until, yeah. And then the moment when my son or daughter comes up to me and they go, "What's one piece?" And I'll be like, "Rest in peace." - He's following his dad's path. - I wanna try this curry before it goes gross. - All right, all right. - Let's just do one little try. - Let's try this curry though. - I'll be the first one. - Go on. - I can already see this will be the most replayed part of the episode. - I just wanna, I'll take one little bite.

- Bro, that looks viscous. - Can we get some spoons? - Oh my God, it smells. - Oh, smell that. Oh my God. - Dude, why is it so thick? - Oh my God. - That's like a paste. - Yeah, it's crazy. - I mean, oh. - I'm not excited for this at all. - Do we have any milk? - It's fine, it's fine. - No, it won't. - I'm gonna die. - Joey's just not going to talk to them. - You guys go first. - I'm gonna just try this real quick. I'm gonna just try a little bit. - All right, all right, all right.

That's alright, I'll deal with water. How is it? Um...

- It's not that bad actually. - Is it not? - I do not trust these two's opinion. - The thing about like- - It's not as bad as 10. I remember 10 being worse. - The thing about this is that a few bites isn't too bad, but it's when you have like the whole thing that you start- - I can smell that fucking hell. - I can literally see like the curry powder. It's more powder than curry, man. - They're like salt grains and curry powder in there.

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and all other streaming platforms. Thank you for your time. Give us a listen and check us out. - It's a little, it's not awful. The time when I had yesterday was worse, genuinely. - It's not that bad. - You could do this. - I did not trust you guys. - You could do this. - All right. - The one bite- - Not that bad. - One bite isn't that bad. It's when you have an entire- - And it's going down your throat and- - An entire dish of this. - We just shared. - Yeah, we just shared. - Yeah, no worries. I think it's like more peppery than it is like spicy, you know?

- I mean, it's definitely spicy. Don't get me wrong. - It's definitely spicy. - I'm spitting a little bit. - It's very peppery. - Yeah, yeah, that's it, right? It's the peppery kind of spicy? - Being an adult is enjoying pepper, the salt and pepper. - No, that's fucking spicy. - That's spicy? - It's not that bad though. - Is it as bad as tan? - I've never had tan so I don't know.

- It's pretty- - Didn't Aki make a video, a whole video about eating tan and it was like- - Yeah, I didn't fucking eat it. - It was like a 12 minute video about how bad it was. I don't think it was that bad. - Yeah, but she can't eat level one. - Oh, okay. - She's Filipino. She doesn't eat spicy food. - I should do that with oranges. Make a video where I'm like, "Banchai's orange from Florida." - Okay, to be fair, I think because I have trained myself now in the past couple of years on that,

That's not as bad as I thought it was gonna be. - That's not bad. - It hurts, but I can deal with it. - That is the kind of spice I don't like. That's so much like artificial spice. Give me like a good pepper. Give me like a good fresh pepper. - That's not like the Thai peppers. The Thai peppers when I see them, they strike fear in me. 'Cause I know my digestive system is gonna be fucked the next day. I've shit four times today already.

- I'm sweating. - This can be an interesting podcast. - Being an adult is being able to know that you're gonna regret a decision and still make it. - Yeah, I'm living that right now. - If or when you eventually have kids, would you try to give your kids, like would you try to make it so they don't grow up too fast either or they kind of have like,

- What is like a good childhood? What is a good childhood that aside from obviously just being in a good position. - Having rich parents. - Being a nepo baby. - Yeah, no, I don't know. - I think it's the idea of, I would say I had a pretty good childhood. Not because like my parents were like well off or like I was like fucking privileged or whatever. That's all dependent on perspective. But like I think the one thing that made my childhood really good was that.

My parents were like open enough and were understanding enough for me to be able to

what I wanted to do or like pursue, like, even if it was like fucking insignificant, even if it was something like, you know, hey dad, I want to start playing tennis. You know, or like, I want to learn how to play the piano. - No son, you shall not play tennis. - Yeah, you know, or it's like any kind of like thing where it's like, you know, I want to be, I want to like learn how to do this or like learn this skill or be able to do this or play, you know, this thing. And as long as it wasn't like too fucking extreme, like, you know,

If I was 11 years old and I was like, "Dad, I wanna skydive." He'd just be like, "You're on crack. "I'm not gonna let you do that." But if it was just like childhood, I guess discoveries of certain things you want to do or certain skills you wanna try. I think a good childhood is having those parents that just let you do it and being like, "All right, we'll let you do it "if you don't end up liking it."

that's totally fine. If you end up liking it, hey, good for you. I think it's just having that option open. - Yeah. - You know, because there's a lot of like controlling parents out there who are like, you will do exactly this and this and this. - They're so tired of me swapping hobbies all the time. They were like, fuck sake, pick something. - Yeah. - Would you pick something and stick with it for fuck sake? - That's why to my parents, it's a fucking miracle I've done YouTube for 10 years 'cause they thought for sure I was gonna get bored of it.

and just quit. - I know what I liked, right? I was not gonna compromise on that. If I thought I liked fucking playing badminton and I thought it sucked afterwards. - I had hobbies that lasted like not even a week, but it's the fact I think that my parents let me discover for myself whether it was something I actually wanted to do or not defines a good childhood. - But I guess that's also like, I guess that is,

it's not like privilege, but also obviously if you're a bit well off to allow to pay for your kids to do this kind of stuff. 'Cause nowadays I feel like this, it's a lot harder to be like, "Hey, yeah, I can afford to give you piano lessons that are probably never gonna come to anything." - I mean, mind you, there were some things as well that I was like, "Hey, I wanna do this thing." And my parents were just like, "We don't have the money for that."

- Oh, fair enough. - Yeah, so like they were fair about it, you know? So they obviously saw they were like, all right, is it financially viable to let my child try this thing? - Sorry, Joe, you bought a fucking Mario theme song for my phone, so you're broke, so no paralysis. No paralysis, fuck you, Joe. - My dad always used to say like, I'm putting that on the tab. - Yeah. - For when you have to pay me back as an adult. Every time I was like, dad, can I buy this like candy? And he's just like, how much is it? And he looks at it and he's like, all right, I'm putting it on the tab.

And so as a kid, I dead ass thought I had this like fucking IOU that my dad was like keeping track of being like, I was just prepared for when I turned 18 for my dad to just be like happy 18th birthday. - Kinda cool to know exactly how much money your parents have spent on you.

- Yeah, just out of curiosity. - For no reason, just to see a number that was like, this is how much we spent. - Well, I mean, it would give me a good idea of how much I have to spend on my kid, right? - I thought you were about to say pay them back. But you were like, nah, fuck 'em. - Joey finishes. - I am the gift.

- Joey finishes university and he gets the student loan and his dad comes along and he's like, "This is the real loan." - Yeah, this is the real IOU. - This is the IOU from your entire life motherfucker. - So is there an interest rate on this or? - What's the, can you Google what's the average amount parents spend on their kids in their entire like life? I'm just curious 'cause I know this, I remember there was a figure like 10 years ago, but 10 years is nothing. I was also watching this thing and like, you know when you watch things and they mention like,

and then like in today's money it's this. And then you're like, oh man, that's crazy. That's so long ago. And you're like, it's only a hundred years ago. You're like, oh shit, wait, I'll be alive for like most of that. So my money could go from being like nothing to something if I just held onto it. - Well, yeah, that's literally every person who like bought a house. Like that's like your parents and grandparents ages. Like we bought this fucking seven bedroom, four bathroom mansion for like $20,000. And it's like today it's like, oh, I can buy a shoe box for 1.5 million.

- That's just every American realizing how young their country is and how much of their lifetime they've already spent in their country's history. - I mean, I get it. Australia was the exact same thing, bro. - Do we have an average? - Yeah, 300K in the US. - 300K in the US. - Average 300K. - For one child, right? - For one per child? - Per child. - All right. - Fucking hell. - Well, future child, I- - I've got three brothers.

- My future child, if you're watching this, I expect the 300K back by the time- - Yeah, I wanna actually start a tab. - Start a tab just to see. I dead ass wish my dad actually kept a tab so that as an adult, I could be like, all right, let me see how much. - It would be super interesting in hindsight to be like, we spent how much on this weird hobby for you?

- I'm sure people don't keep track, right? Just 'cause I love looking at numbers and it's so fun seeing data. - Yeah. - Like all lined up. - Bro, I went to piano lessons for like 15 years. I don't wanna think about how much money my parents spent on that. - Did you choose to do piano lessons or did you- - I did. So how it ended up happening was who, my sister was actually the one who was like, "I wanna learn how to play piano." And you know, my mom was always like, you know, being the Asian parent, she was always like, "Oh, my Asian child wants to learn an instrument and it's piano? Destiny."

So we bought like an upright piano for the house. And my sister was like learning how to play. At this point, I hadn't started at all. My sister, I would just watch my sister like practicing and kind of struggle 'cause I guess piano wasn't really a thing. And then I would jump on the piano and I would, without any lessons, just be able to play the exact same thing my sister was. - He's a savant. - What a flex. - He's a genius. - And then that's when my parents were like,

"I think we should get you in instead of my sister." So my sister immediately quit after that and then I filled her place. And then I did it for 15 years. So it's like my parents probably thinking like, "Oh, thank God the investment on that piano didn't go to waste." 'Cause if I had never picked it up and my sister would have quit, then we would have just had a fucking dust-filled piano just in our house. But it was actually put to good use, thankfully. - Do you know why I started guitar?

- Why? - I'm about to call out my mom here because it wasn't actually my decision to start guitar. I didn't have like a real, like, I don't think I had interest in it. But my mom was like, "I'm signing you up to guitar lessons." I'm like, "Okay, why?" And she's like, "You'll get girls."

- Did she really? - Your mom got the raise, bro. - She was like, girls like it when guys play guitar. I'm signing you up for guitar. - That is true. - I thought it was gonna be like a status symbol thing 'cause often it's seen as a status symbol to make your kid as talented in an instrument, right? - Yeah. - Play the thing, boy. Come on now, play the piano, entertain my guest. - I think it's more like a piano or like a violin

like a classical instrument. - It's like classy, yeah. - My mom just like tried to get like, tried to like riz me up. She was like, "This will be useful in life one day." And then I just started playing guitar and I think I was like, as a kid, I just like, I was the type of kid that just did things because people told me to do. I didn't really- - He's a sheep. - And I just continued doing guitar lessons and then like accidentally started a band just because I kept doing guitar lessons.

- So basically the whole reason why nine and a half pounds exists is because of your mom. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I never did any instruments. I actually did try to learn drums, but I just realized I just didn't understand rhythm. Like he was trying to teach me it and I was like, it just doesn't make sense to me. - What do you mean? - It's just like, he would try and teach me like basic shit and I'm like, I just don't get it.

Like I would be able to replicate it, but it would be because I like had to translate it in my head into like ones and twos or like hitting numbers. Like I had a sense of- - Like a counting system. - Like a robot essentially. Like I can't recognize the rhythm as like a thing. I just, I can't listen to it. I can't replicate it. - Right. - So I gave up on that pretty quickly.

And then I just did sports, a lot of sports, but only, I only really liked the sports where it was like, I hated team sports 'cause I hated having to be in a team. - And then you go into League of Legends.

- Yeah, exactly. I hated having to rely on other people. Sounds so fucking anime MC. I don't need other people. But I genuinely like hated sports where I had to like, I was part of a team 'cause I wasn't very good at- - No, I'm totally the same. That's why I started tennis. - Yeah, well, so I didn't like tennis. - That's a 1v1 bro. - Yeah, yeah. I didn't like tennis, but then I got into squash known as racquetball.

- Have you ever spoken about this? - No, you've never talked about it. - Squash as it's called in the UK, it's called racquetball in the US. - Or as I like to call it, privileged tennis. - It's normally like, yeah, what's weird is, I guess like when I left the UK, I realized how bizarre this is. Like almost every sports center in Wales at least, I'm not sure about England, they would have a squash court. - Really? - Every single sports center, they'd have a tennis court, they'd have a- - Is it big in Wales?

- It's pretty big in the UK. - I guess it must be. - Yeah, it's pretty big. And they'd have like those, like the giant concrete walls with the glass front. So, and like every, a lot of people played it. But then I realized when watching American like TV that it was only played by like super rich businessmen when they wanted to like talk. And it was like, oh, I used to play that in school a lot. - It was golf or squash.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I played that. I was on, I guess by default, I played for Wales for a little bit 'cause there wasn't many of us. I was like number 19 or something in Wales. No, it was terrible. It wasn't very good. - Out of 19 players. - Yeah, I think I was like the rankings at least. Yeah, it was fun. I liked that. 'Cause I liked the fact that I could just

and hit a ball really hard. 'Cause tennis was so much about like technique and being elegant. - I guess. - But then I started playing badminton, which is like, I guess even more so than that. - Badminton is like more finesse-y than tennis. - Yeah, and my brother did it as well. So I, and it was kind of interesting 'cause we were like the opposites. I was always looking to like smash it as hard as I could, like an ogre.

- And I was very fat, like, 'cause I was very good at sprinting. So I was very good at sprinting and smacking it really hard. Whereas my brother was really good at technique and being like smart about it. - Dream team. - Well, we never played together 'cause he was in an older bracket. But yeah, so I just, I was just a Neanderthal. I was like, hit it, everything I wanted to do, I wanted to just rely on like raw ability

I never wanted to study. I never cared about like learning to get better. I was like, I just wanna be good at something. And I just do it over and over again. - It's always weird to see, to like talk to people and just see how many like weird hobbies and phases they went through as a kid.

'Cause like, yeah, I remember when I was in like middle school or high school or something, I was like on my like team's basketball team. - We didn't even have a basketball team. - I did a bit of basketball as well. - You did a bit of basketball as well? - We didn't even have basketball. - I mean, the only reason I joined was 'cause we had PE and the coach was like, "You should join the basketball team." And I'm like, "Why?" And he's like, "You're tall." And I'm like, "Okay." - No, I only joined because it was,

I read Slam Dunk and I was like, I wanna fucking play this game. - Of course it was Joey. - I wasn't the shortest dude in my team. I'm just like, no, no, don't worry. I can be like Mitsui. I can be a short sprinty fast guy in the team and I'll be good. I did that for like a few months and then I was just like, this is too hard. - Yeah, were you any good at it?

- I think it's because like, because I'd grown up doing a lot of like ball sports, like soccer and like tennis and like just a whole variety of them. And like, I did a bit of like baseball and cricket and stuff like that as well, but nothing too seriously. I think I was just used to- - You did baseball? - I did a bit of baseball. - What the fuck? - Yeah, when I come to Japan, I would have like some friends who would like play a bit of baseball. - I've never played baseball. I think sometimes- - It's not fun as fuck. - When I explained to America, I was like, no, no,

we do not know anything about baseball. We don't know it. We don't have it. - No dude, baseball would be the perfect sport for you because if you're a batter, you just have to think to yourself, I need to hit this ball as hard as I fucking can. And as a fielder, you just have to think,

I need to grab the ball and throw it back as hard as I fucking can. There's no like, there's like little bits of finesse in it, but it's not like squash or like tennis where you have to like think about your moves or anything like that. - No, I think there's more, there's gotta be more technique to it. - There is technique, but not as much as like squash. - I don't know. - Yeah, I don't know. - I'm not qualified to say this shit. - I don't know if this is going to get my passport revoked.

I think like baseball is funner than cricket to play at least. 'Cause I had like one baseball, in PE mostly- - I have no strong feelings about cricket by the way. I have no strong feelings about cricket so I don't care. - Okay, okay, good, good. Because so we had like, you know, in PE in high school and everything, we had like, you know- - Indian viewership drops to zero. - Hello fellow Americans. But yeah, we had like one baseball lesson

in our PE class because I guess there was like one of our gym teachers was just like really, really fucking into baseball. And I'm like, I despised every cricket lesson I ever had. I was just like, maybe I just hate the act of hitting a ball that's thrown at me on a stick. And then I've realized that when I played baseball for some reason, it was just so much more satisfying when you just get the strike in.

way more than it was for cricket for me. I don't know why. Something about the way baseball is- - I think it's because swinging a bat like this, I think it's just more natural than swinging a bat like this. Like holding something like this when something is coming towards you. - You gotta wear all that stuff as well. - Yeah, yeah. - 'Cause otherwise you're gonna have severe injuries. - Well, I mean, in baseball, if the pitcher is shit, you're gonna get,

- You're gonna get a fast ball thrown at you. It's still dangerous. - Yeah. - Both, I think the ball for cricket is obviously like a little bit harder. - Oh, that thing is a rock. - Cricket's fucked. - Yeah. - I hated that ball. - The amount of times that ball has just like smacked right into my shin and left the biggest bruise on me while playing cricket. Oh my God. - Yeah. - That shit's painful.

- Yeah, so yeah, I don't know. I've always found baseball more fun, but there was so many sports I wanted to get into when I was younger, but I just also didn't have- - Like what? - I really enjoyed hockey. - Ice hockey or normal hockey? - Just normal hockey. Ice hockey and grass hockey. - 'Cause in America, if you say hockey, it means ice hockey. - No, yeah, just field hockey, I guess. - Okay. - Yeah, I've really, really fucking enjoyed hockey.

But in England, at least that was more seen as like, you know, that's like what the girls do, you know? It's like the girls did hockey and netball and the guys played like basketball and football, you know? - Yeah. - And I was like, shit, but I really, I actually really fucking enjoy hockey. - I wanna join the girls. - But we didn't have a team in our school, but I really wanted to play it more. And yeah, I really enjoyed that. - Was there a sport you always wanted to do but never got the chance to?

Even if it's like just for like one time, just to see if you'll like even like it or just interested in trying it. - The sports where I'm like, how the fuck did you get it? How do you even get into that? Like the one where what's the,

- Like how do you, if the one where they ski and shoot things, like I'm like, how the fuck do you even get into that? - What? - You know, in the winter Olympics when they do like the really long distance, like ski walking. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's like ski skiing, but they like are going uphill a lot of the time. And then they stop and pull a gun out and start shooting targets. - I've never seen that. - You've seen this. - I've never seen that. - You know what I'm talking about, Kyle? What's it called again? - I thought you were talking about curling.

- Not curling. - I wanna try curling. - But like curling, how the fuck do you get into curling? - I wanna try curling, don't know. - There's certain sports where I feel like I crush it and I'm like, dude, I feel like as a kid, if you'd let me do the, what's it called? Clay pigeon shooting. - Yeah. - I feel like I'd pop off. 'Cause I've got the dog in me. I feel like I would, but I'm like, oh, that's only for people from,

- Very wealthy backgrounds who had close to a connection to some kind of, and you say like, oh, a lot of these sports are kind of interesting. You just never get to try. You either don't live in a place where it's done or you just don't have the financial means to do it. Like another one like that is like skiing or something. That's something that just requires being a bit more wealthy to do. - Did you find it, Kai? - It looks very good.

- No, no, no, no, no. - Military patrol? - Yeah, I was gonna say, what Connor described sounded like a Call of Duty mission. - No, no, it's not. - That was in Modern Warfare 2, right? - No, no, no. - Take down the helicopter. - It's not like a machine gun, it's like a rifle.

- Pretty sure that's a scene from James Bond, right? You know, it's like a mission impossible scene. - And then he skis off into the helicopter. - Tom Cruise slaloming down and then shooting a fucking RPG in a helicopter. - The biathlon. - Biathlon. - Biathlon is a winter sport that combines cross country skiing and rifle shooting.

It is treated as a race with contestants skiing through a cross country trail whose distance is divided into shooting rounds. So like how well you do on the shooting gives you like time penalties or it's really cool. But man, is it like one of those sports where I'm like, how the fuck do you even get into this?

'Cause you're cross country skiing, but a lot of it is like the skiing where you're like kind of having to do the like running with the skis on. It's pretty fucking hard work. And then on top of that, you gotta whip out a rifle and fucking shoot it. It's ridiculous. I'm like, who came up with this?

- Bro, that's bad ass man. - That is bad ass. - It is dude. I mean, that's like average, I guess if you're just from Finland, that's just your childhood. But for like other countries, I'm like, who the fuck, who the fuck from like Morocco learned to do this? How did they learn to represent this? How did this happen? - It's like, that's just like cool runnings, you know? - Yeah. - That's just the plot of cool runnings. - Well, yeah, I guess it's like that. It's like, you're like, how the fuck was I ever supposed to get into the sport that looks cool? I'd love to try and do bobsledding. How the fuck do I get into that?

- Who do I go to? Am I too old? Can I try now? Like, what do I do? - One hobby that I kind of like I'm interested in getting back into, 'cause this is just like, I think everyone has like one wild card hobby. That'd be a great hobby to have. Am I hearing hobby? No. I remember I went through a brief period where I did like ballroom and Latin America dancing. - Oh, nice.

I was actually really fucking fine. - That would rizz people off. - That would rizz people off. - We're sending you the wrong thing. - Male dancers get so much. - Holy shit. - So much. - Yeah, I mean, I did it 'cause a mate kind of like dragged me to do it. This is like in university phase. He dragged me to do it because he wanted to meet me

So he dragged me to ballroom in Latin America 'cause he needed like, he needed the guy to go with him. And I ended up just really fucking enjoying it and just doing it for two years 'cause it's actually really fun. - Do you know what's a male like an activity that you do as a male that gets you the ultimate res? - What? - Fucking ballet. That shit gets you ultimate res every time.

- Sounds like a budget, like alpha conversation. - Yeah, it is. - Which sport will get you the most pussy? - Welcome to the diet alpha podcast. - Hello. - Today I'm gonna convince you why doing ballet will get you ultimate arrears. - Hello, it is I, Andrew Cake. We're gonna talk about the ultimate alpha. - Ballet. - Ballet. - Ballet is where it's at. - Yeah, I mean,

- Yeah, I mean, I think now I want to get back into it 'cause I think it'd just be a really fun thing to do with Sydney and romantic. Plus there is like, I will swear to God, there is nothing that makes you feel like more powerful as a man than just dancing the tango with a girl, man. - I'm jealous, man, 'cause I have like absolute zero coordination when it comes to dancing. I cannot even. - I have as well. To be fair, to say this, I sucked at it.

I was that one guy that just sucked at it 'cause I suck at dancing, but it just was so fun. And that one time you get the steps on and it's like,

dancing like something like salsa or tango where you kind of like you as the, you have to like lead the girl. So, so like they have to like follow your lead and there's just something so fucking powerful about that feeling of just being like, okay, for this one song, you have to follow everything I say and everything I do. - Not only that, but that comes in clutch at the retirement home.

as well, dog. Like if you're that one old dude that can like fucking break their hips doing the salsa, bro, all the grannies would just be like, "That man still got the wrist."

after all these years. - Yeah, it is weird to like, a lot of girls I know actually did ballet when they were younger. Then it's funny you bring up ballet 'cause Sydney did that. I don't know, like maybe it's a fucking Midwestern country girl thing, but every girl- - It's what piano is to Asian parents. - Yeah, it's ballet to white parents. - I'm not sure. I'm just speculating.

- That's such a good analogy. Ballet is just piano for white parents, man. - Well, it's like a hobby that 99% of kids will drop and 1% will keep doing it. - Yeah, and the 1% that holds onto it become like savants. - There's almost a part of me that wants you to try playing drums again. - Why? - 'Cause I just- - 'Cause he wants to start a band. - Yeah.

- We're gonna get the band back together. - I mean, we can do it if you like basic beats. - I can teach you. - Yeah? - I feel like, honestly, like, you know, you say that you don't have like the concept of like rhythm and stuff like that, but I feel that's something that can be trained. I feel it's like, you know, when it comes to like musicality and stuff, yeah, well, when it comes to like musicality, right? And like, you know, playing like an actual instrument, you know, there's like people who are just like, I can't fuck, like, I can not imagine you playing,

it's gonna sound bad, an actual musical instrument. - Whoa, what are you saying about drums? - Dude, you know the joke of what do you call a guy who hangs out with a bunch of musicians? - No. - The drummer. Because I feel percussion is like, hey look, hey, I play drums, it's fine. I feel like it's something that can be trained because I think just like knowing rhythm- - It sounds like, can we teach a monkey to cook?

- Yeah, probably. - We can make it put together a carbonara, but it might not taste good. - Yeah, it's still the skill though, right? Like I'm not expecting you to be the fucking greatest drummer in the world, but I reckon when it comes to like simple, you know, different stuff, like a 4/4 or 3/4, like you could easily do that.

- I mean, yeah. - I almost want to do it for a video. Like take you to like a recording place. - It would be interesting just to see how, yeah. - I'll teach you drums for a full day and see how well you get. - If I enjoyed it, it would be easy. But if I don't enjoy it, I suck at stuff like this. Cause it's like, I just have no motivation to get better at it. - Yeah, right.

which is unfortunate. - Yeah, it is normally like that. - What's like a one skill you want to be able to like absolutely master by the time you're like, I'm too old to learn anything new? If you had to pick one. - I don't think there's anything I can't learn getting older, I guess, that I would want to learn. - I mean, yeah. - I'd like to be good at cooking. That feels like an OP strat. - That gets your raise. - Just in life, just in general.

- Not everything has to get you Riz, Joey. I'm not doing it unless I get Riz. - We already have partners, Joey. We have nothing to prove. - I'm passionate about eating food. And I think I would equally be passionate about making it if I had the time and just the space to do it. I just don't have time right now. And also I don't want to.

That's not something I'm interested in right now, but I can see myself being interested in it in like 10, 20 years. - Right, right. - When do you, okay, I guess since we don't have time right now, which I guess is like the biggest factor for me learning any new skill as well as it is for every working adult. When do you guys think you're gonna retire?

- When I have enough money. - I mean, we've seen us like a slow trends now about like a lot of like well-off YouTubers who have, I guess, announced their retirement. Like PewDiePie, I guess is like the biggest one. - He's also a dad now though. - He's also a dad. - He also made crazy bags.

- That man and his son are set for life. - Yeah. - Let's be real. - Exactly. And like, I know there was a few others as well that were announced that was Tifi or something announced that he retired as well. - Yeah. He also made crazy bank. - Basically he just made crazy bank and retired. - I guess it depends how much crazy bank I make.

- See, I think for me, it's not only about like, do I have enough money to be able to not work for the rest of my life or be able to support my children if I have any or whatever, but it's more so for me, it's like, you know, 'cause I feel like retirement is that kind of point where you're like, there's nothing I want to like turn into a career. There's nothing I wanna do that will necessarily generate money anymore. And I feel for me, it's like,

that's a really important part about it because it's like, you can say you're retiring, right? - Yeah. - You know, say like, oh, I've made enough money to support myself for the rest of my lifetime and I've been able to achieve this, this and this, and I'm ready to put it to rest and just like relax for the rest of my life. But if I retire and I get to the point where I'm like, yeah, but there's still shit I wanna do. - Yeah. - Then would you even consider that retirement?

- I mean, I think- - It's not so much you're going into retirement. You're just retiring one thing to start another thing.

- I mean, for me, I'm the kind of person who I just need to be doing something. - Yeah, same. - I need to be doing something. Like luckily enough, I'm in a position where I am comfortable financially to be stable, which is, I guess, what I thought I'd spend my entire life working towards. And lucky, in a position where I'm lucky that I'm like, okay, I am stable and my parents are stable and my family's stable.

So I'm like, if I were to like, when I reach retirement age, whenever that age is, I still think I'd be doing something. - Yeah. - You know, I still like right now it's all about- - Put that dog in you. - You know, right now it's all about, okay, everything I do needs to like have like, you know,

- Longevity. - Needs to give me longevity to hopefully set the way for the future so I am stable 10, 20 years from now. So there's still like a part of my mind where everything I do needs to build towards a foundation. - Yes. - Retirement to me means that foundation is set. I do not need to worry and I can focus on doing shit that

- Does not mean anything in the grand scheme. - Yeah, because like, for example, like my dad went into retirement this year, a few months ago. And I was like, "Oh, congrats, dad. You know, you're finally retired. You can, you know, get out of this whole IT sales thing he's been doing for 30 plus years of his life." And I was like, "So what are you gonna do? Like, what's your retirement plan?" And he dead ass just looks at me and he's like, "I wanna drive a bus."

And I'm like, "Dad, that's not retirement. You're just changing jobs at that point." 'Cause I think in his mind, it was like, it's not so much like, "Oh, I'm still in the workforce," or like, "I'm going back to work." It's just something for him to do during the week. But I feel, you know, it's still technically a job, right? Being a bus driver. Even if it may not necessarily be a nine to five

you know, five days a week type of job. It's still something you're obligated to go and do and you get money to do it, right? So I'm like, I almost don't count that as retirement. I just count that as like, I think retirement for me is when it's like, okay, the things I'm going to do after all of my actual

obligatory work stuff is done. - Well, it's when like the burden of having to provide is kind of gone. - Yeah. - And it's like, I- - And how you spend your time doesn't necessarily generate money or there's no like obligation to do it. Like, you know, like I'm sure like,

I'll still be making like YouTube videos just like casually after I like quote unquote retire. - Joey has a granddad. - Like maybe that will never stop, who knows? Like I could be in my eighties and I'll still be like, you know, I still really wanna make this video. Who knows? We don't know 'cause YouTube hasn't gone on for long. - I'd like to get to my arc where like,

I have a YouTube channel where all I do is like, right boys, I gotta fix the toilet. - Yeah. - I'm thinking about remodeling this room. - Basically the content that like Felix has been doing as of late. - Didn't he do a video where he like installed the TV? - Yeah. To him, he's made his money. He's good, right? But he's still making those videos. Not because he's like, I need to put up this video to make money to feed my family. It's more so just like, I just want to do it.

regardless of what it does, right? - That's the stage I wanna reach. The I don't give a fuck what I need to post stage. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I mean, I'd argue I'm already at that point, but. But it's like, for me, retirement is just like, it's a combination of like, do I have enough money where everything I do after this point may not necessarily generate any amount of money whatsoever, but I'll still do it? - Yeah.

Or is it like to the point of like, there are still something I want to do that I can turn into this big financial thing that will like still support me and still be bringing in money. And it's like, I feel there's like no age for that. It's just kind of at the point where you have to just kind of self reflect and being like, all right, am I there yet? Like, have I done everything I wanna do? Do I have enough money in the bank?

Is my life steady and happy to welcome my inevitable death? Like when all of the stars have lined up, that's when I feel I can be like, all right, you know what? I'm comfortable to retire now.

- You say retirement is just the point where you can just pursue all of the hobbies that you'd wanted to pursue. - Retirement is just like in credit games. Like that's, you know, it's like- - It's post game. - Yeah, it's post game. That's what all retirement is. It's just like, I can keep doing my shit, but I know at the end of the day, I've already got to the credits. Like there's no obligation for me to do it. - Give me a new game plus. I want a new game plus. Let me start over. - That's called reincarnation actually. - There's some things I look forward to, but I also equally feel bad that I think like,

I know it doesn't matter, I don't know that it doesn't matter, but it's not my life, whatever. But I feel bad that a lot of like where most people are at right now, they can't even like consider retirement, let alone like saving for it. 'Cause I think we get excited and we're like, "Yeah, I wonder what we're gonna do with when we retire and do what we're gonna do." And I feel bad when I'm like, when you hear about people who are like, "Man, I gotta work two jobs." The thought of retiring is not even an option. I can't ever do shit.

And I hope that whatever happens in the world, that it gets easier for people to be able to consider retiring and do it. 'Cause the age of retirement is rising in every country. - It is, it is. God, especially Japan, holy shit. - Yeah, I mean, what the fuck? If you are somebody who joins the workforce in this decade, can you even consider retiring? Can you genuinely get to the end of your career and be like, "Oh yes.

I can live off the retirement money. Like, I don't think most people can even do that now. Like I think that's, and also- - Yeah, I mean, you'd have to be like, I'd say like living a pretty frugal retirement at that stage, right? Like, 'cause you're only so limited to what you could possibly make. - Yeah, most people can't live off the government retirement pension. - Yeah, like most people, yeah, like, you know, like Japan and like America with like 401ks and shit, like in pensions in Japan and shit, like, you know, they give you options to be able to like,

save up for that retirement. But maybe you'd be in a position where your job isn't paying you enough or the lifestyle you're living is like cutting into your spending too much and stuff like that, that to the point where it just makes it more difficult to welcome that stage. - And a lot of people don't even make it to the retirement age.

- In Japan they do. - Japan are very good at making them, making it to retirement age. - It's getting close to 70 in some European countries. And it's like, a lot of people just don't make it to 70. And even if they do, like, you know, maybe they have a few years in life and it's like, what is the, what even is retirement anymore?

Is retirement even gonna be a concept that is afforded to everyone or is it gonna be something that only rich people can think about? - I mean, it should be rewarded to everyone, to be honest, but yeah, just some countries it makes it difficult. - Yeah, I mean, I think it is. One of the happiest moments in my life, at least, was being able to give my dad his retirement.

'Cause my dad had me very, very late in his life and has been like fucking giga Chad working his ass off to provide for me his entire life. Especially since my mom has had a lot of health issues in her life as well. So a lot of it stems from my dad having to put the hours in. And there was a point when I quit for YouTube that he did not know if he was going to be able to retire.

because I'm an only child and I don't have any brothers or sisters to prop up the family. It was all on me basically.

So my dad went through like massive, massive fucking stress. He passed retirement age and he kept working because I still like hadn't, let's say like made it then. And you know, he kept working his ass off. - So he was waiting for you to kind of, I suppose, have money to give to him, is that? - No, no, no. He was waiting until I was stable enough to take care of- - Oh, he didn't want to quit just in case, hey, Garnt needs some help. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - That makes sense, okay. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Sorry, I was trying to clarify. - Yeah, because he always wants to, like, I remember him telling me once,

that at one point he was like, I guess he just had accepted that he would just be working until like he passed away. And you know, that fucking hit me when I heard it. So I was like, fuck, I really, really, really want to make this work. Not just obviously for myself, but because I want to give my dad his retirement and you know, I will never forget the moment where, you know, I was able to like say, hey dad,

We're financially stable. And that was the moment where I kind of like, you know, said that we've paid off the mortgage for the family house that we've been paying off as a family for like years and years. And then you could like for like, I, I saw like the strings of tension, just like, just like,

- Completely like cut off. - Snap, yeah. - Everything snapped in years of building. - Anime 2D's your in, dad. - Hey, let's go. - They said I wouldn't be able to make a career off of it. Now I have. Look at them now. - Yeah, and my dad just literally just like collapsed on the sofa and that's, I hope my dad didn't mind me telling the story, but like that's the first time I like have ever seen like my dad like shed a tear. And I was just like, holy shit.

This is what I've been working for. And now I'm like, okay, I'm satisfied. I'm happy with my life now. I'm happy. I'm like monk mode activated. I am satisfied with what I've achieved and anything else now is a bonus and a new journey for me. - I take it back. Ballet doesn't get you the most risk. Paying your parents retirement. That's what gets you the most risk. That's the ultimate move.

- Yeah, and I'm glad my dad can enjoy his retirement fully now, even though he was working way harder than he should have been for a person his age. - That takes a toll on you, man. - So how is your dad spending his retirement?

- Learning guitar, actually. He wakes up and he learns guitar and just reading books. And I'm like, that's what I want. - My dad's retired. - Oh yeah? - Oh yeah. - He works. - Oh, he works? So he hasn't retired. - Well, no, he doesn't work. He just helps people build stuff. And now he's remodeling the house. - Oh, that's fun. - He keeps sending me updates. Literally the house looks like a hurricane hit it. They get an open plan.

- Hell yeah. - As every remodeling of a house is. - Yes. - So yeah, he's doing a lot of that. - Yeah, hell yeah. - I'm jealous. My dad just knows how to do stuff. - Yeah. - He's like, "Yeah, the plumbing's broken. "Oh yeah, I know how to fix it." Like, how? How do you know how to fix it? Who taught you this? Why wasn't I taught this? - Do you ever feel like there's life skills that people just know and you're like, "Where did people learn this from?"

- Yeah, I mean, anything to do with like just fixing everything. - Yeah, any skill involving any tools to fix something. I'm just like, how, where, who taught you this? - For me, it's cars. Like anything to do with cars. Like I remember one time I had to listen, I was in like Ireland, in Ireland with Sydney. And then, you know, we had a rental car and we were just driving around. It broke down like in the middle of Ireland. And I was like,

What do you do? What am I supposed to do now? - Guess I'll die. - I'm like, I know maybe I'm supposed to call the AA. Does the AA exist here? Do we need insurance? What is the process? 'Cause I just realized I had just never been taught this or I had never been taught how to change a flat tire if you ever got a flat tire in the middle of the road.

And I was just like, I am just so unequipped with this life skill that people, I think people are supposed to know. I have just never experienced it. - Well, counterpoint. - Yes. - I think that's because there's this whole level of information that is like stuff you should know, but you don't need to know them now 'cause in two seconds you can watch a YouTube video on how to do it. - Right. - Like I think learning how to change a tire, yes, you should know how to do that without having to do it,

but I think the reason why people don't feel so pressed to learn it is 'cause if it happens, and let's say you have all the gear with you, you're like, "All right, well, let's watch the YouTube video. "Hope it's a good tutorial." And you can just watch someone explain it. And you're like, "Okay." And even if I knew how to do something like change a tire, I think I would just watch the video just to be like, "I need to make sure that I don't fuck this up." - Do you know how to change a tire? - I think if you gave it to me, I think I could do it.

- I think that's so confident. - I know. - I think it's the kind of thing where like, if I was with like a friend of mine who was shitting themselves, I would lie about it and be like, yeah, I know what I'm doing.

'Cause I'm always that guy. Whenever someone is like freaking out, I'm like, yeah, of course I know what I'm doing. And I'm like, I've known you for a while. - Yeah, I don't know the details, but I know like the basic steps. I'm like WikiHow. - Listen, you don't want this to happen with me there. But I think I could wing it. I think I could do it. - 'Cause the thing is, the thing is, I had to be that guy. So I'm explaining it, I'm explaining my- - 'Cause Sydney's like, she's like, I don't know what to do. - Yeah, I'm explaining my internal thoughts because what happens is we break down. We break down in the middle of the road.

And Sydney's like, "What do we do?" And I'm like, "Don't worry, Sydney, I got it. Let me check what's going on."

I get out of the car, I walk around and I'm like, I have no idea what I'm doing. I'm just acting like I do so Sydney doesn't fucking panic because we're in a country we don't live in. We know we don't nobody here. So I'm like, all right, let me just check the engine. Let me just check the water. I have no idea what that means. - You're basically just staring at the engine for 20 seconds. - I think I know. - I literally open up the hood and I'm like,

- When I was with my dad, he would always check the water. So that's what I'm going to do. I don't know what that really means. I'm just gonna check the water level. And then I open up the hood, I check the water level and I just start Googling shit.

- I was just like making this shit up as I went on. - Yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of information that we aren't taught because everyone just, I think assumes that you'll be able to figure it out. Like I think that stuff like that is like that. Also I think that like the fact that at least in the UK and I think the US and whatever, I think they don't teach you anything about

how to be responsible with your money. This is like the one that always comes up, right? Taxes and all that. The fact that we aren't taught any of that is wild to me in any capacity. Because I'm like, that is some shit we all have to deal with. And it fucks you in the ass if you don't do it right. You get fucked for life if you fuck up those

- I never knew how to do my taxes or get a fucking mortgage or like any of that shit. - No, I don't know any of that shit. - I wish someone taught me that shit. - Yeah, I wish someone taught me that shit. - Now I'm flailing around like an idiot trying to figure it out. - That's some stuff I actually think we should be taught. It's not like Google. We definitely need to be taught like, hey, just 'cause credit cards say they give you money, there's a lot of bad things that could happen if you fuck it up. So maybe don't use the credit card. What do you think you can handle it?

Like that was never taught to me. I didn't even know what the difference between a credit card and a debit card was till I was like 19 or 20. And I'm like, I've been using this for two years. I still don't know what the fuck it is. - If something breaks in your house, do you know who to call? - Yeah, my dad.

- I think a legit would be like, "Hey dad, do you think this is like a serious thing or a thing I should fix?" - Yeah. - I assume that. - Where do you think our dads learn it from? Do you think they're just making this shit up as, 'cause I don't feel like they are. - I like to think that every time some shit breaks down in my house and I call my dad and I'm like, "Yeah, dad, so I got this problem." - He's Googling it. - "What can you do?" He's like, "Yeah, hold on, son, let me check." And he just opens his phone and looks it up.

'Cause I've never asked my dad who taught him. But all I know is that he never taught me. Or at least he never taught me all the intricacies and everything that he knows. So I'm like, where the fuck did he learn it from? - They weren't wasting their damn time learning these liberal arts courses. They were learning how to drive trucks. - Yeah, 'cause when I eventually have this kid, whether it's a son or a daughter, I'm sure they're gonna ask me about stuff, right?

You're gonna reach that point in your life where your kid's gonna ask you about stuff and you're gonna have to pretend like you know what the fuck's going on.

- Well, it's like maybe the kid will be like, "Hey dad, how do you install the server or something to sing?" You'll be like, "Well," and he's gonna be like, "How the fuck does my dad know how to do this?" It's like, well, you just had to learn it when you were then. I think that's just like, we had to just learn everything about the internet and using it. I'm sure to our, whatever the kids that come along, they'll be like, "How the fuck do they know all this stuff?" I'm sure, how do they use the sponsor of today's video? It'd be funny if it's actually sponsored.

- How do they make a clickbait title? How do they just know that? - I'm sure it's like something that you just grow up learning and then it seems like crazy 'cause they had like 40 years worth of knowledge that occasionally comes in handy. - Right. - Who taught you guys how to shave? - I knew you were gonna ask this. I had a feeling about this. I had the sixth sense that you were gonna bring it. - Okay, was it? Okay. - I taught myself. - Really? My dad told me. - And I fucked it up for a very long time. - My dad told me and I fucked it up. - Okay, so your dad told you. Did you have to like ask him father?

teach me how to shave. Was there like a day where your dad came to you? - No, my dad just said, "Your face looks like a toothbrush. Let's fucking get rid of that shit." And then he was like, he took me to the bathroom sink and he was like, "All right, I'm gonna teach you how to shave."

- That's awesome. - And then he was like, all right, bring a roll of toilet paper because you're probably gonna cut yourself multiple times, which I did. - Yes. - I still cut myself sometimes. - Yeah, and then after maybe he was with me to make sure I was doing it correctly, maybe like two or three times. And then at one point I was like, yeah, I got it. I figured it out. - I just brute forced it. I figured this shit out. - God damn. - I still don't think I've perfectly figured this out because I guess like when...

I had to go to my dad to ask him. I was like, "Hey dad, how do you shave?" And he never looked like more happy and excited. He's just like, "Oh, I get a father-son moment." He taught me, I'm sorry to call you out for this dad, but he taught me that, okay, you can't use shaving cream.

- Soap's fine as well. And so for my entire life, I've just like never, and you guys figured this out when I was shaving, when we were like on holiday, but I've never like used shaving cream for most of my life. I've just used shower gel. - That's fucked. - And the fact that your skin is like impeccable is just like not fair. - Hey man, maybe my dad was onto something. I don't know. - I know in desperate situations I've used conditioner.

- What? - Yeah, conditioner works as well. - Really? - 'Cause it's just about having like, I think it's like a, just a barrier, right? You just need something in the way that's smooth and that you can still shave through. - If I don't have the option, then I just don't shave. I'm just like, I'll wait till I'm actually- - Yeah, but I look homeless if I don't sometimes. - I look homeless with or without it, so it doesn't really matter for me.

- I have this weird hypothetical. - Okay. - Okay. And this was something I've been thinking about all week because I've been playing Final Fantasy 16. - Hell yeah. - Right? - I knew you were gonna bring that up. - Great fucking game, right? But one thing I noticed while playing Final Fantasy 16, right, is that like,

- So to explain to you, oh no, you've played the demo, right? - I've played four hours of it. - Yeah, so you know that it's like kind of gone back to the whole medieval setting, right? Of like, you know, kind of the Renaissance type of setting. - Yeah, just Britain. - Yeah, just basically Britain in 16 hours. - Everyone's fucking British. - Yeah, they are. - I love it. - But like one thing, right, that I thought about while playing 16, right, is that like when you go to like a random village and this is not just in Final Fantasy, this is like in any RPG that's set in like the old,

British setting, right? And you go to like a random ass village and there's the village elder, right? Who's like usually like pretty senile, you know, like maybe like 70, 80, sometimes 90 years old, right? And I kept thinking to myself, I'm like, where did that stereotype come from? - 'Cause it was like an actual thing. - But was it an actual thing? - Yeah, it was an actual thing. - Because like, I find that hard to believe because it's like- - Wait, why? - Because- - What, that old people existed? - No, no, that,

- I find that, okay, here's the reason why. So here's the question I had, right? - Are you asking why is there one old guy that is the old guy? - Yeah. - Because people died. - But that's the thing, right? It's like, that's why I find it- - People didn't make it to like 70. - But that's why it's like, is it even possible?

- To get to that point? - To be old? - No, like living during those times. - Well, it was obviously rare. - Because the average age was like fucking 40. - Yeah, but people still lived till like 70 pretty often. - You think so? - Yeah, pretty often. - I think you just answered your own question, why it's a stereotype. Because of course if you live to like 70, you're like, yo. - I just find that hard to believe. - Especially in like, maybe at a village of a hundred people. - Yeah. - Odds are people would die. What age, what period are we talking of time?

- Like let's say like, let's go back to like 1300s. - Yeah, I mean, odds up people weren't like, what was the, can you Google what the average age? - Yeah. - Yeah. - 'Cause like I'm pretty sure- - Like during the dark ages, the average age was probably like 30. - No, it was like 40. - Oh no, yeah, it was like 40. - Okay, not much better. - But that was mainly because of like child mortality as well.

- Right. - Infant mortality was huge. - Yeah, but even like, you know, the whole like fact of like, you know, the, you know, medical practices weren't up to what they are now, obviously. And like, obviously hygiene was less of a thing. - I mean, it's like how you sometimes see old people now who will go to like seven years old with zero like ever,

- Yeah, but that must've been insane. Like if you were living in the 1300s- - Yeah, that was. That's why we're the village elder and everyone fucking listens to us. - And there was like a skirt. If you were in the 1300s, like dark ages in Europe and you just went to a random village and you saw like an 80 year old, that's like the equivalent to seeing like 120 year old today. - No, no, no.

- I would think. - Well, I mean, it was like rare, but I mean, it wasn't that rare, but it's like, you know, someone who had been around, who'd been in the position where they had been in a lot of power, who was still alive, which obviously they would become someone who's respected. - Yeah, I mean, at that point, everyone would be like, I mean, he's fucking alive. He must be doing something. Go back and listen to him. - Why did Final Fantasy make you think of this? - 'Cause I was just thinking about it. - Do you have the average age?

- Yeah, see? - 33. - 33. - Oh shit. - It's young. - Because also, I mean, every, they were having a war. There was always a war going on as well. - Exactly. - So people were dying. - We were just killing each other. - So I was like, how the fuck did the older survive? - I mean, there was, I mean, I don't fucking know. I don't know the exact answer, but obviously people were still, just 'cause the average age is 33 doesn't mean people couldn't get to 70. - No, no, no. But it must've been like incredibly rare. - Yeah, I mean, I think you would be the village elder at like,

- It's 60 at that point. - Yeah. - Even 55. - Yeah. - You'd probably be the village elder. - Yeah, but in all video games are always like fucking 90 plus. - Oh, they probably just look that way. - That's just the modern view of looking at an old man. - Also they might just look that way 'cause they're British. - Yeah, we also like. - Well, it's also like, it's like the concept of like, why do people look older in older media? Like someone who's 16 in like an 80s film looks like 25 to us. - Yeah. - Is that a thing?

- That is a thing. - Yeah. - Have you ever noticed that? - Watch a movie in the 80s and everyone in high school, oh, like, sorry, well, not a movie, sorry. Like look at a yearbook of like the 80s, a generic yearbook. People will just look old. - But even movies as well. Like if you go back and watch like a James Dean movie, right? Like that dude died when he was like what, 23, 24, something like that. But you look at it and you don't think to yourself, that's a 20 year old.

in that movie. That's like, he looks older than, I can believe he's 20, but he just looks older to me for some reason. I remember Vsauce did a whole video. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just pulled up a yearbook from 1980s America. Look how old these people look. These are high school students.

- See, they look like in their twenties or thirties. - Yeah, some of them look old as shit. It's like, why is that? - Have you ever seen your parents' pictures when they were younger? - Yeah, it's weird. - Do you ever get this thing where your parents tell you a story about some shit they got up to when they were kids of your age and shit, and it just doesn't seem real. And it almost seems like,

they're like reciting a movie or something. - I mean, it's gonna be even worse for our kids. They'll be like, "So I was just online memeing Harambe." You know what I mean? - Right, you know Harambe, right? - And I pulled my dick out. - But here's like the difference, you know, when our kids get to our age, at least for us, they're gonna have like,

there's gonna be a generation of kids that can see like video and photo proof of all of the shit and all the stupid shit that their parents got up to when they were like their age. But for me, for our generation, we have like one or two photos that our parents took at high school or something like that. - And the rest is all anecdotal. - Yeah, so when my aunt tells me, "You know what your mom got up to when she was 18? Let me tell you what happened at this like- - She blew up this building, it was insane.

- Some antics she got up to that there's one bar and I'm just like, that didn't happen. There's no fuck, there is no way my mother did that. There is no way my mother. - My mother unhinged. - My mother getting blackout drunk. No, that doesn't happen. And then you hear these stories and it just like, it almost just doesn't feel real to you because there's no like.

grounded evidence to like prove it in your mind. - See, it makes sense for your parents because I look at your parents now and they're like so well behaved and so like on point. When I hear my parents talk about their like the shit they got up to when they were young, I look at them now and I'm like, yeah, I can see that. - I mean, the parents will never tell you the really wild stuff they might've done. - No, of course not.

'Cause they're afraid probably that'd be like, "Oh, well, you know, since I did it when I was young, then it gives you an excuse to do it when you're young and I don't want my child to do that." - I don't like that. - There might be some parents that are like that. - Mom and dad, I'm asking you next time. - That's like conversation you have when you're like 40, they're like really old and you'd be like, "All right,

- You're going soon. Tell me all the fucked up shit. - I'll start. - Spill the tea. You have got four years left, tops. Tell me. - I think I'm actually like slowly starting to reach like that age though, because I've slowly been kind of like being drip fed tea like here and there from like various family members to be like, wait, auntie did what when she was younger?

- Yeah, encore's like this. And yeah, it's slowly getting to that point for me at least. I don't think I have the entire tea cup. I have like a little, there are a few little drops of tea of like- - Crumbs. - Yeah, a few little crumbs of tea of like what's going on. I'm just wondering, how do you think our kids are gonna react when they see this dumb shit we've done on YouTube

and stuff like that. It must be weird. - I'm never showing my child my YouTube channel. - They're gonna find it, Joey. - Bro, Joey, he's gonna find it. - Nah, I'm deleting that shit before you do one. - Joseph Bissinger V is gonna find it. - Seventh, actually. - Oh shit, yeah, in the sixth. It doesn't go down. The accumulation of Bissingers. - I'm gonna break them all. I'm going back to the fifth. - That would be hype as fuck. Like I start the lineage, my son being four, and that puts so much pressure on the first. He's like, "All right, you have to deliver. Do something crazy."

- We got four generations to figure this shit out. We should go back. I think this is more interesting. We literally put a timer on it. You're like, you better do something fucking cool. You're the first. - I think it would be pretty hard though. I would be pretty hype if I discovered like, let's say Facebook existed back in the time. Like if I just discovered a long lost Facebook of my mom when she was like in university to be like, oh, these are all your drunk photos and all the shit you were getting up to. Okay.

- I think at that point you'd have to like lock your socials up to a point until your kids are old enough to be like, all right, you have- - You're ready to see what your father was really like. - You are ready to see what your father was like. - Your father was a mess. - Yeah, we're ready to see how much of a fucking idiot your dad was. - It would be weird when we get to the point in social media where there's like multiple generations gone by.

Like I'm doing like 200 years away. And you're like, I wonder what they were up to 200 years ago. And you can just see pictures of people getting smashed 200 years ago at a school party. It's like, that's gonna be so fucking wild. You can just tap into that. - Yeah. Do you know anything about like your great grandparents? - I don't know shit.

- Great cramping? No, no, nothing at all. - 'Cause I've heard like just like one or two stories, but yeah, it would be super interesting just to see, you get to a point in social media where you can see what your ancestors got up to, to be like. - That'd be hype as fuck. - That would actually. - The family trees will no longer be more mysteries. All those TV shows about hunting down the family tree would be so less interesting. So actually we found your great grandmother on Facebook. She was kind of cringe. She posted a review of the emoji movie saying it not,

So all of, I don't know how you came to be. - Yeah, your granddad was saying some sauce things on Twitter. - Your granddad was in Q and on. Don't worry about what that is. - Your granddad was liking anime lewds. Like it's fucking weird bro. - It's gonna be really weird. - I could see where you get it in your bloodline. - We've stemmed it back to this point. - Well yeah, I think there'll be services in like a hundred years that'll be like, hey, we can track down

your family tree of social media. We can find your great-great-granddad's Facebook. - Yeah. - Maybe. Unless they just start deleting it on this.

- I don't know. - That'll be interesting. Speaking of Final Fantasy though, what do you think of it? - It's good. Definitely better than 15, that's for sure. It's most certainly a game that you would not enjoy. - Well, I enjoyed the first two hours and then I did another stream playing it for two hours that was sponsored and it was fine, but I don't know if I'm gonna continue. I wanna play the other Final Fantasies first. - Yeah, I mean, I know you finished eight. - You prefer the other Final Fantasies first?

I think when I went into it, I liked the fast paced combat. - Well you played eight. - I like the eight. Yeah, I like the part of me as much as I hate turn-based combat. It's kind of nice sometimes. - Really? You should play 10 next. - I hate it in modern games. 'Cause I feel like it's outdated. - Yeah. - Except in Pokemon where it just feels like it works. - So do you want to go back to like the first couple of Final Fantasy? - Yeah, I'm gonna play some of them, early ones I think. - Play six. - Everyone says six. - Yeah, that's good. - I feel like six I should play. I've played some of the other ones.

'Cause everyone says and all the Final Fantasy staff are like, six is the accumulation of the perfect Final Fantasy. - It is. - And I'm like, okay, well I'll save that then. I don't want that right away. 'Cause then I can never play like four or five. - Then maybe play like, yeah, probably play four first then. - The SNES ones seem tough to get into.

They seem like it's like more like a slog. I'm not gonna lie. - Yeah, they can be. - What didn't draw you in about this Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy 16? 'Cause on paper, I'm like, this is very much- - I mean, it's not that it didn't draw me in. It's just, I think that it's a lot. And I was like, I also,

I think, well, I don't even know what I can say 'cause I was sponsored by them. I don't want to get pissed off. - Okay. - Sometimes I did feel like it was like I could put my controller down and then I went on, I had to pick it back up. I was like, oh shit, it's a game. - Yeah. - That was like, I was like, oh fuck. - No, because the producers said- - 17 hours of cut scenes. - Yeah, I know, I love it.

- Okay, now I understand why. - The producer actually said before the game came out that this was supposedly the most cinematic Final Fantasy. - It is, yeah. - They weren't lying. - I almost wish, and I know that there was an easy story mode, but there was a version of it that was just like a 17 hour show. - Yeah, yeah. - That didn't require you to put any input because I actually, I found myself getting really into the cut scenes and then I was like, oh shit, I gotta play. And it was fun, it was great. But it was like, oh,

I was like, I'm just getting confused with the fact that I was like, oh yeah, I gotta keep playing the game. - It's an actual game. - Yeah, it's pretty interesting. I mean, it was very interesting 'cause I think that it's, for me, I think it'll lend itself well in history as being a great in-between point for the series. - Yes. - Yeah. - I think it'll lead to like 17 being

like figuring out a formula that really works. But I don't know if having that many cut scenes is good for a game. - I'm torn as well, 'cause even me, I fucking love the cut scenes. I love story. - The voice acting is so good. - It's so surreal just seeing like a JRPG without like, let's say the typical

anime-esque voice actors and just seeing like- - Do you mean Xenoblade? - Yes, yes, Joey. Or any JRPG for that matter. - What are you doing, mate? Just go and get the fucking blood show. - Yeah. And hearing actual British voice actors. But there are like some moments in the game where

I liked the gameplay and I really, really liked the story. I don't know if it wants to be a game or a movie. - They made the cut scenes too damn good. - Yeah, they did. - To the point where it's like, damn, that's like I'm so hyped for the cut scenes that when I go in the gameplay, yeah, like I said, like it's like, oh shit, okay. But I want more of the cut scenes. - Yeah, it's weird because like I really, really, for example, like "Metal Gear Solid", right? The "Metal Gear Solid" series who,

Those cut scenes were so long that I could just put my controller down and just zone out for like 30 minutes. I was like, I'm fine with that. I'm totally fine with that. It's so weird with Final Fantasy because the cut scenes are short enough that I still have to pay attention about the controller, but-

It's long enough that it kind of like breaks the flow of like the gameplay. - I think the one issue I have with 16 is that like, I don't mind cut scenes in my video games as long as you're telling, you know, as long as it's for a purpose and you know, the narrative is good, which so far with 16 has been great. But I think my problem with 16 right now is that like the, I guess the switching between cut scene and playable part of the game is so like constant.

Where it's like, you know, there'd be moments where it's like, okay, you get out of a, you enter a village. There's a cut scene that like explains the village and the main quest. And then you walk for 15 seconds and then another cut scene plays. And then you walk another 15 seconds and then another cut scene plays. Where it's like, I think I would just prefer it. Where it's like, just give me one long cut scene and then one long gaming session and then I'll be good. - I also, I like it, but I don't know how to feel about it. I like the active law button.

where you can just, you're like, I don't know what the fuck is going on in the story. Let me hold down this button. And then it brings up a menu that you can move your cursor over it and it'll tell you about what this concept is or what this faction is or who this person is. - You have to be careful with that 'cause I heard- - It spoils some stuff. - Yeah, I've heard from people, especially near the last 10% of the game, that part just straight up has spoilers in it.

- I believe it. - So I've been trying to avoid as much as possible. - I mean, I think it's a game changer. 'Cause especially at the beginning where they just introduce you to all of these like countries and people and-

And I'm like, I can't remember who the fuck this is. - Yeah, and then there's time skips and stuff. And you're like, okay, this is, it's like being thrown into Game of Thrones at like, well, I mean, actually being thrown into Game of Thrones, 'cause you're just like, what the hell is happening? But in Game of Thrones, you have the time to go through all of it. And I feel like they maybe, you know, maybe the storytelling is a little bit more, they introduce things a little bit better. And funnily, the one thing I did with the new one I found to struggle with was that there was too much stuff

that I was trying to keep track of and I didn't quite understand. And that's why the active law button felt necessary. Whereas I feel like it shouldn't be necessary, but a nice little thing if I want to refresh. But a lot of the time I found myself having to do it. - I think the active law thing though is definitely a good step in direction of like explaining

- Without having these bullshit pages. - Without having to like go to system and like go into like the log and shit to be like, here's like a fucking dropdown menu of everything, you know, where it's like- - I'm actually that guy. - Fuck's sake. - Why? Why do you hate yourself? - 'Cause I was genuine, like when I,

- One of the reasons I fucking love Final Fantasy 16 is 'cause like the world genuinely, genuinely- - It's great. - No, it's great. - It's fucking great. And I just wanted to be immersed. So as soon as like, there's a character in like your hideout that basically has like, that is the law keeper and that like has all of the Wiki articles. And I literally just wasted, I think in like an hour and a half when that opened up, just like reading,

- Just like reading everything just so I can just immerse myself in what was going on. I think my biggest problem with it so far, I'm about like 20 hours in at the time of recording.

there just hasn't been a character that I have really- - Fallen in love with? - Yeah, yeah. Normally in a JRPG, I fall in love with the cast and the dynamics and just spending time with these characters. But so far there just hasn't been, like the characters haven't called out to me yet. - I mean, I did have one, but he didn't last long. - Yeah, I mean- - Without giving spoilers. - I just feel like there hasn't been enough, let's say,

- Like the main story, I feel like the biggest weakness of Final Fantasy has actually been so far the side quests. 'Cause side quests- - Yeah, the side quests for this one are a little bit boring. - Yeah, the side quests for me, especially in JRPGs, is a great way to just ignore the story, ignore the main story for a bit and just flesh out these characters hanging out together and just...

exploring like and expanding the world, giving you the opportunity to learn about the world and the characters organically. And all of the side quests so far has just been fetch quest. And there's been- - Like pick up dirt. - Yeah, pick up dirt, go find this person. - Oh no, it's the Assassin's Creed style. - Yeah, kill pig or kill...

- Kill five crabs. - And it's just like, I don't get anything more from doing these side quests than if I had not done it. So it's just been like the main story for me. And the main story is great, but the main story so far has not given me enough time with these characters, enough banter, enough just natural chemistry for me to like get attached to like the whole cast. And I don't know if that's gonna change. I hope it does. But that's like my biggest gripe with Final Fantasy 16. - How many Final Fantasy games have you played?

- I have finished zero Final Fantasy games. I've played a lot. I've played a lot. - How many have you played and not finished? - Seven, eight, nine. - That's gotta be a crime. - I'm crying hearing this. - Yes, I think I got, I think yeah, 10. I've started FF7 remake. I haven't finished that.

- Bro, you have to see through- - You have a problem. You realize that, right? Finish a goddamn game. - Fuck sake, bro. - I don't know. - Are you gonna finish 16?

- I think I am. I think I, 'cause he is- - I'm not counting on it. I'm not counting on it. - The biggest thing that gets me to stop playing- - Bro read like 1000 chapters of "One Piece" and thought, "I'm done." - I'm sorry, I interrupted you. - I mean, the biggest thing that has stopped me from finishing it is turn-based combat. And, 'cause I just get bored. I get bored doing turn-based combat.

And especially in the older games, you have to spend a lot of hours grinding out the turn-based combat. And then I just got to a point where I get bored and I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna take a break from the game, take a break and then never come back. And with "16", because I really fucking liked the gameplay, I will probably stick through it. It's probably gonna be my first Final Fantasy game I finish.

- So I beat more Final Fantasy games than you? That's so funny. That's so funny. I mean, yeah, I think that's just how we consume games differently. I like to binge. I like to just destroy a game in one go and be like, I'm done. And I feel satisfied that way. 'Cause before I even get a chance to be like, I'm bored of this, I'm done. - Yeah, I can only play like eight hours maximum in a day before my mind turns into like mush. And I just like, I need to like step away from it.

- My mind is so much like 14 hours in. - Right. - But then I can keep going. I can keep going, but it doesn't feel good. - For me, it depends on the game. Like I could, there could be some games where I'm like, this is just like a couple of hours type of thing. And then I gotta wait, I gotta, you know, save it for tomorrow. And then there's games like 13 Sentinels where it's like, if I spend any time away from this game, I'm going to forget everything about this law because it's so fucking confusing. I've been to that game in three days, bro. It's a 30 hour game. - And I bet you remember nothing about it.

- I remember a decent amount of it. Only because like for those three days, I just, only because for those three days, it's all I was fucking thinking about. - Yeah. - And it's a fucking fantastic story. - It's great, it's great. - Yeah. - There's just a lot. I needed a day to process some of the like plot twists in that game. - Are you the type of motherfucker in 13 Sentinels that went to like the encyclopedia section? - Of course I did, man, of course. - That is literally like the, when you describe doing that to me, I'm like,

- That's like, just being like, you know, I just enjoy castration. It's like, I can't imagine anything more fucking unfun in my life than opening up an encyclopedia. - I have to read? - Ew! - Because there's, okay.

- I'm that motherfucker. Okay, I'm that motherfucker. If there is a, like, let's say a TV series that I really, really fucking enjoy. I'm that motherfucker who's like, I will watch like an hour YouTube video breaking down the lore of shit that happened before the story took place, you know?

If I'm like emotionally invested in something, I want to know as much of the world as possible 'cause it just helps immerse me in the story that's being told. - See, I feel though that only becomes gratifying when you make it to the end.

- What do you mean? - Yeah, you gotta finish the goddamn game. - You gotta finish the, if you're so focused on finding out like what happened to these characters and this world and the setting before the game took place, but you didn't ever see it to the end. - No, no. - Like, you don't care about how it resolves? - What percentage of the like in these games did you drop out? We didn't like 10% in, 50% in. - What do you mean? - Like with the Final Fantasy games, like how far in were you before you dropped it?

- About 50%, I think. - Fuck it up. That's crazy. That's crazy. - To be fair, to be fair, I didn't so far drop it. I just never finished it. - No, no, you dropped it. Bro, yeah, Hunter, Hunter, it's definitely not dropped. - For me, my rule of thumb is if I'm not invested in the game by around 20, 30% of the way through, I don't see it to the end.

I feel 20, 30% is like a kind of a good time to get a good indication of like, is this game even worth finishing? - I mean, to me it's like hours. It's like, if I'm not hooked an hour and 30 minutes in, I'm done. - Right. An hour and 30 minutes is like 10% of the tutorial in like JRPGs. - No, I know, which is why I always struggle. 'Cause it's like, I just don't know if this is worth investing and I'm not interested in spending 10 hours figuring out if I should be invested.

- No, for me, it takes me like minimum 10 hours for JLPT to be like, am I invested enough in the story characters? - Yeah, that's what sucked though. 'Cause when I played eight, I wouldn't have, there's no shot I would've stuck with it if I spent an hour playing it. 'Cause I was like, this game is- - You don't know anything in it. - This game, I think every Final Fantasy does this. They just throw a bunch of menuing at you

They're like, "Oh, this is this, this is this." And you're like, "This is a ridiculous amount of information to ask someone to take in and just through like explanations." And it's like, none of this makes fucking sense. And it's like, you guys are insane for thinking that someone would sit 10 hours through this to do it. And people do obviously, but I'm like,

- It's fucked that they design a game that is just not fun for 10 hours. And then you're like, okay, but now it's great. - Fun is subjective. - Yeah. - Fun is subjective. - I find it fun learning new mechanics.

- I mean, yeah. - I found it fun when I got the hang of it, but it's crazy. I mentioned this when we played initially, but like it's crazy that I felt like I got the hang of it like 20 hours in. That's insane. - Did you enjoy the story of "Eight"? - Yeah, yeah, I did. - Yeah? - Yeah, I liked it a lot. - Yeah? - I thought it was fun. - Okay. - I thought it was okay. - What's the general consensus of the story of "Seven"?

- Isn't it like the best one? - It's great. - It's great. - Yeah, I don't think it's the best "Final Fantasy" in my opinion, but I think it's a very, very solid entry. - I thought Sephiroth was like the villain in all of them. - No. - And I realized he was only in "Seven" because, but then for some reason he was just the poster boy for "Final Fantasy" villains. - Yes, because to a lot of people, "Seven" was their first "Final Fantasy" because it was the first 3D "Final Fantasy."

- Yeah, I'm having like- - Fucking Roblox ass characters. - With their egg beater hands. - I just have this fucking ingrained in my head and I can't stop thinking about it. And I've been thinking about it the entire conversation we're talking about it. So this TikTok of someone with like Zephyr off hair, like dancing and it's like,

Zephroff when he like kills your entire family, it's him like twerking and like flailing his hair around. I'm like, I can't stop thinking about this. - That's why I'm so glad Seven got the remake because like it is in my opinion, the original Seven is like close to unplayable because it's just, because it's got a great fucking story and the combat system is great, but I just can't get over the graphics now. - I actually am having huge fucking, huge fucking trouble playing through the remake.

- Really? - Yeah. - I think the remake's fucking fantastic. - 'Cause like, I remember playing Final Fantasy VII when I was a kid. I don't remember fucking- - All I know about it is that there's like, they go to like a strip club or something. That's all I know about it. That's all I know about it. - Yeah, they do. - But like, I think I'm like noticing about them 'cause like, I don't know, I'm playing through the remake. I'm about like,

- Is it gonna be three games as well? - Yeah, it's gonna be three games. - That's fucked. - When do you start liking the characters? I'm just gonna be straight up, man. I'm just gonna be straight up. - I love that. - When do you start liking the characters? - Well, I feel for a lot of people there's a nostalgia factor playing the remakes, right? Like at least for me, I had it like, you know, when I saw like, you know, when fucking,

when you first see Cloud and everything, you're like, "There's that motherfucker. There's that motherfucker I've already spent hundreds of hours with." - So far Clouds to me has got as much characterization as your general isekai protagonist. - Oh. - I'm like, when does Cloud become interesting? - I can't believe Cloud Strife copied from Kirito.

- Wow, the absolute audacity of Square Enix to do that. - And like Tifa so far has just been the childhood friend. - Hey, don't bad mouth Tifa, she's my fucking waifu. - Why is she everyone's waifu? - Actually no, Yuffie, I like Yuffie. - I don't think Yuffie's been introduced yet, but like the only motherfucker- - Wait till Yuffie comes. - The only motherfucker I like so far is Barret and I'm just like- - Yeah, but everyone likes Barret. - 'Cause it seems like he has a personality. - He's like Jet.

- From Cowboy Bebop, it's like you just automatically love him. - He is. And I'm just like, 'cause I remember going into this being like, this is the classic. Everyone loves this Final Fantasy. This is gonna be a banger. I love JRPGs and I'm just like, when do the characters get interesting? I'm waiting, I'm 10 hours in. Normally I'm hooked now on the JRPG. - Just wait till Yuffie comes out and you'll be hooked. - I can't stop thinking about Sephiroth twerking. I'm listening to you talk and it's all I can think about.

I don't know why. I know it's like a super serious story as well. I'm just imagining him twerking. And if I play the game, all I'm gonna be able to think about is that. - Yeah, but Sephiroth doesn't come out until like way, way, way later. - Okay, generally though, what draws you to like Cloud and Tifa?

- I think because I've played all the other Final Fantasys and I've played a lot of JRPGs that would just like, had the most unlikable cost of characters. - Why didn't you come to JRPG, man? - I already am. - Why didn't you choose that name? - Because it's shit. - Not good SEO. - Yeah, I guess, yeah.

And then I'll get to the point where I'll just start playing. - I hate JRPGs guys. I'm only playing Call of Duty. - I'm only playing first person shooters. - I think it's because like, look, it's in my opinion, like, you know, like Cloud and Tifa and like that whole gang is like, I think there are solid cast of characters. I'm not gonna say they're the best cast of characters. - Who is the best cast of characters in the final battle of the game?

- In a Final Fantasy game, I would- - Or just JRPGs. I think 'cause I come into this, I come into Final Fantasy VII after playing so many of my favorite JRPGs. And with the critical claim that I had, I was expecting more, I guess, from the characters. - Okay, one game that I've always wanted to play, and I'll say this 'cause I'm just gonna forget it if I don't say it right now.

- One JRPG that I've always been interested in and everyone always talks about is like the one of the best ever is like Chrono Trigger. - Yes. - Always one of the play decks, it looks fun. - Okay, you asked me what the best cost of characters in JRPG is, I'd probably say Chrono Trigger. - Okay, Chrono Trigger. - Like Chrono Trigger did something, like not only like, what was amazing about that game, like for one,

one of the best game soundtracks ever made in my opinion. Two, it's just like a really interesting concept of not only combat concepts back in the day, 'cause like back when Chrono Trigger came out, it's not turn-based anymore. It's not your like average Final Fantasy turn-based. It's like turn-based with a mix of real time.

- Yeah, yeah. - Right? And that was like unheard of when that came out. So that was already amazing. And then just the fucking story is- - I've heard the story is amazing. - So good. - Which is why I really wanna play it. - Yeah, it's an incredible game. You should definitely play it. - Yeah, like playing through Final Fantasy 16 now- - Makes me wanna play Chrono Trigger again now.

- Is there a second one? There is on like PS1, right, or something? - There's "Chrono Crusade." - Oh, okay. - Yeah, that's something different. - Which is something different, yeah. - Like playing through "Final Fantasy 60" now, 'cause I looked up the completion time of "Final Fantasy 60" and it's like, you know, some people complete in like 35 hours, which is- - You'll skip cut scenes.

- Which to me is like, seems like incredibly short for a JRPG. - But isn't that the standard completion time of a Final Fantasy game? - No, it's more like 50, 60 hours usually. - Really? I thought most of them were like, 'cause I've been obviously been looking which one to play next. Most of them have been clocking in at like 35. - Really?

- Yeah, I mean, name one. I'll just have a look right now. - Six? - All right, all right. Time to be- - 'Cause I remember maybe I was just like a dumb ass kid trying to figure this shit out. But like, I remember first time might be Final Fantasy VI. - Yeah, 35 hours. Name another one, name another one. - Dude, I spent like 80 hours in that game. - Let's do 10. - Are you serious? - Yeah. - 10, okay. Wow, 46 hours. - Yeah, 10 is long. - Sheesh. Okay, what about- - 13. - Why does it feel a lot longer? - Nine is 39.

- It feels way longer. Wait, look up 13 Sentinels. How long does that take? It took me like, that took me 30 hours. - I literally use this website for everything. 'Cause I'm like, when I'm streaming, I gotta know how to longer, 'cause I am the average gamer, if not better than the average gamer at most games. That's like what I would put a clock in it. And then streaming kind of slows it down. So I'm normally around- - Wait, what about Chrono Trigger? - Okay, time to beat Chrono. - I think I beat it in like 50, 60 hours.

When focusing on the main objectives, 23 hours, but if you were trying to do 100%, 42 hours. - Can you search up- - I might have just accidentally done 100% there. - Can you search up "Persona 5"? - Yeah. - Because that is a long JRPG. - That's a long game.

- No, Sean. - What? - 100 hours. - Yeah, that's about right. - Yeah, that checks out. - 173 hours to 100%. - Checks out. - So I think these are like, I think how this website works is that people play the game and it's like a community thing. So shout out to all the people. - They submit it. - Shout out to all the people who submit their thing 'cause you are helping so much. Yeah, so I think that's on average. So that means that if you're a fast gamer, it could be 90,

- A lot of people, it could be like a hundred. - First time was personified for me and I definitely took more than a hundred hours. - Yeah, I took more than a hundred hours. - It's also interesting seeing how on the different platforms it changes sometimes. People who played on like PC can emulate so they can speed it up. What's the longest Final Fantasy game? What is the longest? - I feel like it's 10. - 10 probably. - Really? - Yeah. Or maybe one of the 13 games.

- I mean, 11 apparently. No, wait, what's 11? - 11 is the MMO. - Okay, that's what that is. - 11 and 14 don't count. - Okay, then 14 was second. 12 is 60 hours apparently. - Oh, Zodiac Age, yeah. Yeah, I can see that. That was pretty long. But then again, for me it's-

- Chrono Country Clocking at 20 sounds great. That's something like 20 hours to complete a main story for a JRPG. That sounds so nice and digestible and easy to get into. - It's hard as shit though. - If it's like a good game, like I said, I want to be immersed in much possible. You asked me why I read lore and why I read Wiki articles. It's because like, to me, like good world building, the world should exist even if the story isn't being told. - Just imagining like, Garth reading the lore while Safaroff's twerking, ending the world. I was like,

- Yeah, that's actually a kind of an event actually. - Sorry, I'm so sorry for interrupting you. - Yeah, like to me, like a good world should exist even if the main story being told didn't exist. The world should still function

And to me, just like the world existing to me is almost even sometimes more interesting than the story being told by whatever it is. - Maybe that's how aliens feel when they saw like World War II going on. They were like, I just wanna know what the world's doing.

- But I have no interest in getting involved. - I wanna know what the background lore is behind World War II. I was an alien. - That sounds pretty interesting actually. - Aliens watching has been like, you know, they were arguing about toilet paper before this. Fascinating stuff, truly. But in the meantime, thank you so much for watching the podcast that is named Trash Taste that we three are the hosts of.

Joey, say the thing. - Hey, look at these patrons and let us know in the comments what JRPG Connor should play next. - What is the best Final Fantasy? Let us know down below. If you're a real one, you will tell us. - Yeah, if you're a real one, you'll say six. - No, if you're a real one, you'll say the one that I like the most. - Which should be six. - Also, since I know I'm gonna piss off a lot of Final Fantasy VII fans, please tell me why- - You gotta finish your damn game. - Yeah, you just gotta finish your Final Fantasy. I need to be drawn in first.

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