We Sat Down With Australia's Biggest YouTuber (ft. @LazarBeam ) | Trash Taste #162
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- Welcome to another episode of Trash Taste. I'm Connor and once again, I'm joined by the boys, Joey and Garnt. And today we have a very special guest, Laserbeam. - G'day, how's it going? - Do you like being referred to as Laserbeam? - That or Lannan, either is fine. However you wanna do it. I had a substitute teacher call me Langlan as a kid.

- Langland. - Don't know where she got the G from. A bit worrying if you substitute teacher can't read. - I'm pretty sure Langland's not even a real name either. - I mean, some people would say Lannan's not a real name. I've never met someone with that as a first name. - That's true. - It's okay. A lot of people think Gaunt is in real name, which it probably isn't, but it's not real. - It is if you believe it is.

- Yeah, my entire life has just been a mispronunciation of my name. But I remember at one point I was like the only Garn on Facebook, like as a first name. - What a flex. - Yeah, that's a flex. That's how I know the name's rare. Unless you type it out. - Is there any other Lennons on Facebook? - No, so it's like a weirdly enough, it's like a last name that some people have, like spelled the exact way. A lot of people have Lennon, which is like L-E-N-N-O-N or whatever. But I was named after the beetle.

but spelled differently. My dad's like specifically, I want my son to have a hard time at school. One look at me like, fuck this kid. He wanted the girl and he was like, oh, fuck another boy.

- My favorite Beatle, John Lennon. - He's also like one of the most questionable of the Beatles. - Could have been Ringo. - Could have been Ringo. - So to anyone who doesn't know you who's watching this, do you wanna just maybe just give a brief little explanation of what you've done in your background?

How do you summarize yourself? I play a lot of Fortnite. I make YouTube videos. Some people like them. Some people don't. Get a lot of hate comments. Well, that's because you also get a ridiculous amount of views on your videos. So it's-

- Sometimes, sometimes. - I think with your sub count and views it's kind of been- - Yeah, you're like, "Yeah, my only 5 million views, I fell off." - I do say that. - Oh my God. - I do say that, unfortunately. - Bro, I wish, man, I wish. - Yeah, you know. - One day. - One day, maybe. - Peak Fortnite was a different breed. Yeah, no, I've been doing it eight years, eight and a half years.

started smashing things with machines. That was my first channel. - Wait, what? - And then, that's a long story. - We got plenty of time. - How did we go from Fortnite to, yeah. - Well, I was a construction worker. - Oh shit, wow. - I was just bored and I didn't wanna do, I didn't wanna be a concreter forever. So I'm like, fuck it, I'll make videos. 'Cause I watched a lot of machinima. - Oh. - Watched a lot of gaming content back in my days. - How old are you at this point? - When I first, I was 19, I think.

Yeah, 19. Sort of just realized I didn't want to do construction forever. Yeah. I was like, oh, well, there's enough gamers out there. There's enough people doing that shit. So I'll do something different. So I just was trying to think, what do I have that other people wouldn't have? Right. And luckily, I know how to drive an excavator. I know how to drive a bobcat. So after work, I just set up a microwave, swing it around like I'm playing t-ball with an excavator.

- I was like a budget slow-mo guys. - I bought a slow-mo camera, but it was like a really shit one. So I was like, and this was like, yeah, like almost 10 years ago, nine years ago or whatever. So I was like, this baby can do 120 frames. It was like 360p and shit, it was really bad. It's kind of funny. After six months of doing that, I had 60 subs and then all my camera gear got stolen. - Oh, oh shit. - I was in a regional country town, lots of crime.

And that's where I was like, fuck it, might as well do gaming. All I had left was my laptop. So it came full circle. You're like, fuck those gamers. Well, it was more like, I have no choice now. I can't replace this like five grand of camera gear. That was my life saving. It's all gone. How did you lose it? They just stole it. What did you like? They broke in and. Yeah. It's still unsolved mystery. So if anyone knows, anyone has any tip offs.

- I like how you sounded so like, you're like, they can just take things. - No, no, I mean, I'm just like, how did it, that's a lot of equipment. You can't just like, it's not like you can just pick pocket that, you know? - Well, yeah, it was just overnight. I just break in, take it. It wasn't the nicest area that I was operating in. - Right.

- Look, cops just don't really give a shit. They're like, "That's five grand stuff. Hopefully your insurance will cover it in two years." - Wait, did they take anything else aside from the camera gear? - I can't remember what they... It was just a lot of camera gear.

- That's all it really was. - Bro, this was a fucking hit job, man. - I think it was quite literally like it was in a box, like sitting like right there. So as soon as they get in, it's like right there. So like, fuck it, easy. They're just looking for easy targets. But yeah, I had no choice to do gaming at that point. So I was like, it worked out. - If all of my gear got stolen, I don't think I'd wanna make videos anymore. - Oh, I cried. I would be honest. I was a grown man. I was crying. I was like a buff tradie at that point, but I was tears in my eyes.

- I thought my dream was dead. I was like, all my savings was on this. Like, this is my dream. - Was YouTube your full-time job back then or? - No, not at this point. Not at this point. - You had 60 subs. - Oh, 60 subs. - Bro, you might, oh my, you had 60 subs and you bought 5K worth of- - Well, that was like my savings. I was like, I was still living with my parents. So I was like, didn't have any costs. So it was either like-

getting on the pierce doing drugs or buy camera gear, you know? So I was like, well, I don't want to be a dropkick. So I'll do, I'll chase my dreams instead of doing all my friends are doing. Was it easy to kind of pick up gaming and making videos about that? Or was it about- Well, I always loved gaming. Like I was a massive nerd. Well, yeah, you said-

- Yeah, so I was already, but I just didn't think it was realistic 'cause it was, you know, even people to this day say, "Oh, it's too saturated, you can't do it." - If you think it's realistic, odds are you're probably way too overconfident. - Yeah, massively. But I started out doing like American sports, like Madden. - Okay. - I was like the Australian kid that loved American sports. So that was another way to be different. I used to share it on Reddit, put my first videos on Reddit.

- Like Aussie reviews, but play- - Well, I kind of just did really dumb shit. Like everyone was playing the game super seriously. They're like competitive. They do these series or whatever. I was like, okay, take the fattest dude in the game. Can you score a touchdown? I was there for 12 hours trying to score until like the game glitched in some way so he could score. And then I put it on Reddit and everyone loved it. - Yeah, that sounds funny. - I was sitting there saying like, oh, fuck yeah, fuck, fuck yeah. 'Cause I was fresh off the job site and then,

- Yeah, so like instantly, as soon as I was doing gaming, within like three months, I had like 50K subs. It was like, "Fuck." So I was like, "Oh shit, I should've done this from start." - Was that like variety at that point or was it- - No, it was just like American sports, like basketball, Madden. I think it was a year in, I started doing like indie games and shit. - Well, but I think you already like pinpointed the niche of just like, you know, not doing what everyone else was doing. - Exactly. - Just being like, that's where it is. - Also an Aussie playing American sports. How did you get into American sports? - I grew up playing baseball, for whatever reason.

In Australia? Yeah, I was shit at it. How? Weirdly enough, where I grew up. I've never even seen a baseball field in Australia. You'd be surprised. Sydney does decent. I was on the Central Coast, so like two hours north of Sydney. Whatever reason, my cousin was playing it. He'd later go on to play in America. So did my brother. Oh, wow. You know, reasonably good genetics in the family, but not for me.

Not for me. I was dog shit. But it did mean my eyes were sort of open to, you know, foreign sport. Right. One day I happened to see a Family Guy episode. Oh, yeah. And it had Tom Brady in it, which he's my guy. He's my guy. Okay, okay. And whatever reason, I just remember that. So one day I was just in EB Games. Yeah. Saw Madden. I was like, oh, shit, I'll try it. Yeah. Bless.

- Fuck yeah, man. - But yeah, I was just like, yeah, no one else plays this game the way I would. And I kind of took that energy and saw the success from that. Like when I started doing indie games and everything, same kind of thing. When I started doing Fortnite, same kind of thing. I feel like I saw it slightly differently. Not that I was revolutionary, but I definitely saw it slightly differently. - Was it mainly like when you were growing up, was it mainly just sports games you were playing or just like a little bit of everything?

- Bro, I was a fucking nerd. - Bro, you're on a podcast for nerds. - Yeah. - You're right in that. - Oh, God. My first two loves were RuneScape and WoW. So that's my- - All right. - They took my entire childhood years and I was bullied relentlessly for it. I'd never leave the house. I mean, look, I did the Call of Duties. I did the FIFAs. I did all that. Played a lot of Age of Empires, like Total War series.

Like all the strategy nerdy shit. - Yeah. - But yeah. - I don't even think that's that nerdy. Maybe I've just grown up in a place where I'm just like, oh. - That's your norm. - I got so bullied for that shit was nerdy. - That sounds cool to me, man. - Oh yeah, I think it's cool. - Yeah, yeah. - I got bullied for playing RuneScape.

- It's awful, man. - I'm so sad. I miss the whole RuneScape kind of like era. - It's not too late, man. It's not too late. - Yeah, yeah. I did play it like once for like a stream and then it was a lot of fun. Although I would say we played it with like a, what is it? Like not a multiplier, but like an accelerator, right? - So we did like a promotion with RuneScape and they had a server that was like times 50 XP.

- Yeah, that'd be nice. - And then suddenly came to the realization, I was like, I'm having a lot of fun, but if I just played this at normal speed, how long would it take to get through all the content I did in that four hours? - I mean, after that, I went and played on the time 50 server a little bit more and I was grinding levels. I was like, oh my God, this is so slow. - Yeah, now as soon as you go back to the normal game, it's awful, but it's weird 'cause it's the kind of game that you play while you're doing other shit.

- Yeah, that's what everyone who tells me who's played it does that. They're like, I'm doing something else and I just keep clicking it while I'm doing the other thing. - Yeah, it's such a weird experience 'cause you're playing it, but you hate playing it 'cause it's such a grind.

but just when you get like a level or a 99 or a big drop or some shit. - That's just like MMOs in general. - Just dopamine. Oh, but I mean, at least wow, you're playing the goddamn game. I feel like when you're, you literally click and then don't click for another like 30 seconds. - You click the tree and then you're like, do it. - Click the tree. You can try and combat click once every 20 minutes.

What are you doing? So where's that a game at that point? But like, I love it. It kind of sounds like a Gacha game to me. It was one of the OG like grind mechanics games. And then obviously Gacha took a lot of inspiration from those type of games like Cookie Clicker and all those games.

- Yeah, but you don't fucking click anything. - Just let it sit, yeah. - Yeah, you just click every now and then and then you're like, all right, I'm just gonna leave it for 10 years. I'm gonna leave the fucking cookie clicker on. I hate those games. - I always just get, like I always start cookie clicker and then I just hack it. You just do inspect element and change shit. - Does that work? - Yeah, no, it just gives you instant like, you just change one value, like you beat the game. - But you don't get the gratification of the,

- What's the point of beating cookie clicker? There is no point. - I don't remember. I don't think it does anything. - It's just to say you're beating it. - Dopamine bandage. - I think that's why I found myself actually kind of obsessing with it for like a three hour period. And so I'm like, okay, I'm gonna hack this and ruin it for myself. It's like when you cheat in a game. If you cheat in a game, it ruins the game. - Yeah, of course. - In a lot of ways. So you don't wanna play it anymore. It's like a way to solve yourself from being addicted.

Like if you play WoW or something, you just buy, not so much in WoW, but like you buy all the gold, you buy all the gear. You're bored after 10 minutes because there's nothing to achieve. So like, yeah, and then you move on. You break that addiction. Yeah, it's all about the journey, right? If you don't put effort in, you don't feel like the gratification of actually getting the items and actually getting like the power that you worked for.

Which is like kind of like, I guess why pay to win games is a completely broken the system now, you know? - Yeah. - Yeah. - So even in those, you can't even pay enough. There's always like, they slowly like diminishing return it to the point that you drop in thousands and you still can't quite always win. - Yeah, yeah. So after the American kind of like gaming phase that you went through in YouTube, what came after that? - Did lots of indie games.

- Obviously breaking it. - What's that, sorry? - Obviously breaking it as much as possible. - Oh yeah, ideally like lots of mods and stuff. I like kind of what everyone was doing at that point. Like that was the biggest thing was like the Jacksepticeye, even PewDiePie at that point, everyone was sort of just doing indie games. Like obviously people were successful in Minecraft, Call of Duty, whatever. But I still think the biggest games at the time were definitely like playing random games.

Then I kind of started doing reactions for a bit. Like I just would look at Reddit and be like, this is fucking dumb. I don't know. Did that do well? Did people like it? Yeah, I mean, at that point I was doing like 150, 200K video. That's not bad at all. Did that for a couple of years. But the issue was, it was good. Then Adapocalypse happens. And the problem is when you're saying all the naughty words because you're Australian...

you stop making money. So I was there. You're having to, they're applying American ad standards on other countries. Yeah, yeah. UK and Australia who notoriously swear a lot more than America. Just the C word is so easy to say. It's not even, I didn't even say C word. It's just because the fact that like, you know how some people say like um? Yeah. Like that's fuck for me. I say fucking um. I would say um as well, but it's with fuck in there as well. It's like a sandwich of it. So it meant that like,

every third word in the video was just fuck. And especially the reactions. And like, I was probably a bit edgy at the time where I'd show clips of like dumb shit happening. Yeah. No one dying. No, so I did the Reddit 50-50 videos and I always just blur it. Oh, you did Reddit 50-50 on YouTube? Nah, but I blur it. But like, you could kind of probably still, anyway. Yeah. Like you could maybe see some fuck shit. I don't know. But I deleted those. But yeah, I feel like,

2016 and pre YouTube was such a different place. So I was still kind of existing like that. It was my whole back catalog and then at apocalypse happens. - So you're like Fortnite family friendly. - You know, especially the first year of Fortnite, I'd still swear a little bit, but I definitely tried to be a little bit more intelligent with how- - Did you get like a lot of parents, you being like, "You gotta stop swearing." - Oh, all the time. My favorite one, it's my big, it's not even that much of a swear word, but my favorite one is,

It was peak COVID. So like viewership was crazy. It was the biggest Fortnite event at the time. I think I had like 900K viewers 'cause no one could get into the game. So I was doing a live stream for the event. It got 900K viewers. - 900K viewers. - Was this on YouTube? - Yeah, well, I was the number one for that day. Like whenever I'm streaming, I happen to be the number one stream. So when the servers went down and only so many people were in the game, everyone just flooded to YouTube. So it was just like crazy.

But the point is, I was saying there was like a delay in the event for some reason. And I was like, oh, this event gave me blue balls. And that's all I said. It was the most minor thing ever. And then I started getting abuse on Twitter from these parents, like how disgusting I was watching this with my nine-year-old daughter. Now I have to explain to my nine-year-old daughter what blue balls are. And I'm just like, why? Why do you have to explain? No, you don't have to explain. Well, no one asked you to explain that. I'm also like...

- I was probably saying fucking shit and stuff before it. So like do your due diligence as a parent to know what your kids are watching and whether they should be allowed to watch me. That's all I'm saying. - The moment you hear that Australian accent, you should be on higher work. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's just like, that doesn't seem like my problem. - I gotta ask, 'cause like, you know, when you have your normal viewers on a live stream,

you don't really bat an eye at it because you're so used to having this kind of audience. When it was getting up to like, when you had like 900,000, were you starting to get a little nervous? You're like, oh God, this is a lot of people. It was definitely weird, but I think because it was a Fortnite event, I knew they weren't,

It wasn't so much about me. It was kind of like, I didn't feel the pressure. It was more of like, is the Fortnite event good? Just show it off. It was just kind of cool. Just minimize that box of you in the corner. Just shrink it and be like, show the view. I honestly could. I could have been on mute and no one would give a shit. I feel like once it goes past a certain number, you just don't think about it. That's true. I feel like it'd be a lot more stressful when you first start and you get 10 viewers than when you go from like,

10K concurrence to 50K. It's like, obviously you appreciate it, but it's like, you're not actually changing what you're doing. - Have you tried to, I guess, like more, not so much censor, but be more self-conscious about, you know, like swearing and just being Aussie? - But more strategically, like I'll say it when it's necessary. - Strategically. - As a last resort. - I think I was talking to,

MrBeast about it once like a couple years ago and he's like, you don't have to swear to be funny. And I was like, because he used to be a little bit more edgy back in the day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He used to be 6,000 a year. And he obviously cleaned himself up a lot. He was talking to me about it because I was so stressed and my ad rates were so bad. Yeah. And he's like, look, I've got mine to this point from this point. Like, here's what you got to do. And he's just like, you don't have to swear to be funny. I'm like,

That goes against every Australian life. It's just such a fun word to say. It's so easy. But yeah, so I sort of toned it back and I was like, okay.

I'll just be more strategic. So if like the fuck really serves the video. Yeah. It really serves what I'm saying. Yeah. Then I say it. But now you got to just be more careful in general. Yeah, because I do like scripted videos. And I also noticed like the big dip in like ad revenue whenever like my older videos had much more swearing in it.

So every time like I script a video now, if I use like a swear word, I'm like, can I replace this word? And it still hit the same. The problem is though, 90% of the time, I'm just like, I need the fucking there, man. - Yeah, of course, of course. - I fucking need it, man. - You can't replace it. - Yeah, I remember we did a- - We just ruin our ad rates, it's fine. - Yeah. - Oh my God.

We're in Australia. We kind of know when we're in Australia. It's fun. Yeah, yeah. The ad rates are going to go down. It was one of the... And probably...

I guess in a lot of ways when you're scripting, it's probably not as much of an issue. But I did find it stressed me out so much more and made it so much more harder to record because I was constantly thinking about what I was saying for the first time ever. Whereas everything else is always just be... Even if like I think early on, I probably put on a little bit more of the... I was a bit louder. I was a bit more like talking full on. But still everything I was saying was kind of just...

- Also, I can never know sometimes what counts as like a swear word for like the American audience or like the American corporations. 'Cause I remember we once did a panel. I think it was just me and Joey that did a panel in LA and it was like a very, very big panel. And we had to like sign a contract being like, you cannot swear

on stage, you cannot swear. And I'm like, "Ma'am, I understand. I will only speak the Queen's English for this panel." And within like the first five minutes I say, "God damn it," or something. - Oh really? - And I didn't know that counted as a swear word. - Wouldn't even think about it. - Yeah, yeah, I just said, "God damn it." And then they muted my mic 'cause they were like, "We said no swearing." And I was like, "What did I say?" And they were like, "You took

- You took the Lord's name in vain? That is a swear word. - If it's not a gosh darn it, then it is not on air. - And I was like, I could not believe it. - This episode is sponsored by ExpressVPN. Going online without ExpressVPN is like not having a case on your phone.

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That's so foreign to me for that to be insulting. Yeah, so like you said that like that when the apocalypse happened, you were like affected quite heavily. Like to what degree did it affect you? Because like I feel especially, you know, for someone like an Australian creator where it's like so easy to just say fuck and like all the other words. Like how, like what percentage of your channel just got fucked over? I mean, so every video was demonetized. And it was for like,

18 months until I started Fortnite. It was actually like, now if I look back, a lot of them got greened again. How many videos are we talking? I was doing daily uploads roughly at that point. It was like every video. I mean, obviously there was people so far worse off because I was able to move back with my parents and stuff and I was probably still earning like a grand a month or something. Yeah, I'm saying you had to move back in with your parents. Yeah, well, I lived in Sydney. It's just like I was paying like 600 bucks a week rent or something like that. It's like...

That shit ad, like you can't do that. You can't do that. So I ended up like having someone else move in to pay the rent and then I just went back to my parents. Oh my God. And so like, but it's more of the fact that like, yeah, I was still probably doing like four or 5K a month on revenue or something. But like, it was like- But it wasn't adding up for the views you were getting, right? And that might've been Australian dollars too. So that was like, I don't know. Like two, 3K. Yeah. Yeah.

It's like I had enough to live, but it's like then there's no savings and stuff. And it's like you're right on that edge of like, this is obviously enough to live. That's like, especially at that point in my life, this is enough to live. But I have a slight dip in views. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, it's dangerous. Yeah. It's like, okay, then I'm actually got like, so that's like, it was more of the anxiety of being on the edge of that. And granted, bless my audience. They were very supportive at the time because I was very transparent about it. I was like,

I'm getting fucked. It's the last fuck by the way. And it was just like, you know, obviously plenty of creators also still work and do YouTube at the same time. Respect that massively. But it's like, once you break out of like, once I left the job site, it's just like, it's a scary thing. It's like, yeah.

this is not gonna last forever this could disappear like if i have one little dip i'm just it's just done yeah yeah and yeah i know massively privileged too that like my parents would still house me you know a lot of people obviously don't have that either so my situation was nowhere near as bad as it could be but yeah it just created so much unnecessary stress i think like i was as soon as they started you could like review the videos that's when it got back up to like four or

- Right, right. - 'Cause like some of them would go back to being green at some point. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like we've had a lot of YouTubers who kind of just like fell into the occupation, like out of, I guess like accident, 'cause they never, I guess, they never thought that this would be a job. It sounds like you got into this with the expectations that you're like, I wanna make this my job. I want this to be my career. Like when did you start to realize, okay, I can actually make this a thing?

Honestly, that first three months on the gaming channel, I was like, damn, this shit's easy. I'm actually fucking amazing. This is easy. No, I mean, I have massive imposter syndrome. So the entire time. Bro, so everyone does, man. Every YouTube. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was just like, this is going away. I'm actually making shit videos. Why is anyone watching this? It's all bots or something. But I was like, well, I'm not going to quit while it's working. I don't know. Yeah, yeah.

- I don't know, always never felt valid. - Are you ever gonna go back to the construction routes where you just start smashing shit? We should revisit. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - That sounds like a lot of fun. - 10 year period. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I'd like to honestly. If I can get like a proper team to do the proper slow mo like I am the slow mo guys, like I do know Gavin quite well, maybe get him over here buddy. - Yeah. - Fill me smashing some of the excavator.

I mean, yeah, it'd be fun. I have had something written down for ages to remake my first videos. Right. Yeah, that'd be great. Free videos. I just don't like leaving the house. I don't like touching grass. Thank you for coming out. I just feel like real world production intimidates me a lot.

I know how to like build some out in the gaming space or even when I did real world stuff, it was always a vlog. Like this, bless everyone doing the production here. It stresses me out so much. - Are you building a studio now? - Was that sorry? - Aren't you building a studio now? - We are, we are, but still it's mostly just gonna be me sitting at a desk there. - They've just got like offices around it, just staring. - Yeah, and like,

I mean, I might build off like a lot of what Locky's doing and his experience and even work with the people here. Yeah. Knowing them quite well now. I might do some real world things. You might see me, my favorite one is, it's like a slasher. So it's like a big lawnmower that you put on a bobcat. You can tilt it up. You can throw things into it. So I imagine throwing things into a giant lawnmower blade. I'd watch that. So obviously you started doing Fortnite and that's where things kind of went crazy. That was the big, yes.

So how did you go from, I assume when you started Fortnite, it was already out, obviously, and it kind of already had its own scene. How did you kind of see it and be like, I think I can do this differently? And then how did that translate to you becoming the number one? Yeah, so I mean, I think when it came out, I had a million subs. So I definitely wasn't like subbed scratch or anything. I was doing like 150, yeah, like a video or something.

I started when it first came out. So before anyone was really making videos on it, I was like, I was there. I wasn't the first, but I was like, I was within the first week or two of that. I was sort of at least playing it. But then I was having big issues with my eyes, which I still do to this day. But so I stopped kind of gaming for a little bit. I don't know. So I left it for like three or four months. And then I started seeing everyone going skits on it. And I'm like, okay.

fuck them I want it like what the hell is bullshit they're getting like six mil views a video daily on this like this game's crazy and like I loved playing it but it was just like genuinely I couldn't look at computer screens I was in heaps of pain

So then I just said, fuck it, fuck my pain. I'm just gonna do it. - Your eyes are just like burning. You're like, "All right guys, we're gonna get a victory." - I sum it up by calling it like eye ligma, but I have like three like conditions, which are very complicated. But basically it means my eyes are always red. I'm in massive amounts of pain when I look at a computer screen and there's no moisture in my eyes. So it was just, I picked the worst profession in the world to- - Yeah, to look at a fucking screen. - But I was like, damn, it was do or die. I'm like,

I just, that's, that's the most Aussie solution I've ever heard in my life. Just like, fuck it, mate. Yeah. Genuinely. I was like, look how big this is. I genuinely love playing the game. I love when I can make videos on it. I just want to do it. I'm just going to have to toughen the fuck up and do it. Um, I don't,

- I don't know. - Any other person would have been like, "Maybe I should just do other content." - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, I tried to do like vlogs for a little bit again. - It didn't work. - I just struggled so much with like organizing shit to do. I just lived in my coastal town. I'm like, "What the hell am I gonna do every day?"

It was like Logan Paul was popping off and I'm like, how did they come up with shit to do every day? - Producers. - Yeah, I know, but still. You ain't doing that on the bloody central coast. - Yeah, given it's a lot harder when you're not near much. - Yeah, so I mean, I think it was kind of similar to the sports videos where everyone was, like people were definitely doing challenges. They'll do meme things, they'll having fun.

But I was just so shit at the game, and I still am, that I just think I probably had a slightly different way of seeing things. It goes back to that. Even if other people were doing challenges, I just did them a little differently. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did it slightly differently. I had done so many different games. Give me examples of some stuff you did. Oh, God. I made so many fucking Fortnite videos. So the first one that was like the big viral one was the first ever Fortnite event. I tried to stop it.

It sounds simple now because so many other people did it later on. But everyone else, they just watched the first Fortnite event. Right. One of my, I think it was Toasted had the idea. We were sitting in Discord. It's like, what if we stop it?

And I was like, that sounds like a fucking mad idea. - So we practiced and everything. So we tried, we didn't succeed, but we tried. - What was the strategy? - So we just built a box around the rocket ship. I don't know if you ever played Fortnite or saw that event or whatever it was, but it was like a massive, that was peak Fortnite. That was like Ninja playing with Drake era. - Right, right.

And it was a rocket ship just going in the sky. So we're like, let's build around it. - Wait, wait, so how did this event work? Like there's just a rocket ship. - Oh, so just in the game at random one point, it was like they added this rocket ship to the game and then like a few weeks later it just took off. - Right. - And it was like a countdown. It was like the first ever like worldwide in-game event that everyone was participating in at the same time. - So everyone shared the same space or like how did you then? - So everyone, if you loaded into a game was seeing the thing at the exact same time, but everyone was in different games.

Oh, okay. But it was just happening at the same time. So you do different things where you'd like have to time exactly when you join the lobby. Some people were like the game's ending as it was happening. Some people got eliminated, had to spectate it happening. But yeah, we loaded up like practicing. We practiced a couple of times. Watch build. Like how quickly we could build it.

And we built around it and it just took off straight through it, but it was bang a thumbnail. And people just love the energy of like sitting there just doing some dumb shit. Like everyone else just wanted to watch it. We're the only one that did anything different for that event. - Would you say that's kind of like your content brand, just taking a game and just being like, let's just do some fucking dumb shit. - Well, you got it when you're not good at them, you got to like, you know, do weird shit. Like I, my favorite,

fortnite video is the one where i won without moving um and that's just the same energy it's like everyone tries to get like 30 bombs get 30 kills i'm like did you win without moving i did i mean look i won without moving but it's because i stream snuck my friend who was in the same office without him knowing and he was like a psychopath at the game um and i still got like one in the million all the perfect circles all that right but i was sitting in a tree i landed straight in the tree sat there all game um

Just got all the perfect circles, like one in a million. He just deleted the whole lobby. Had no idea I was in the game. Looking for the last player. He's like, where is this dude? It's me. I'm in the tree. So then I ran into his office, kicked him out of the game and I got the victory. So that was like, you know, I tried for a week to get it. Yeah.

like just without stream snapping him. Then I was like, fuck, I want to finish this video. I have to figure out how can you actually do this and think outside the box. And actually I'd spent like three months prior to that trying to win completely AFK. I had someone literally, I paid someone to just film the screen as they just load into the game and just don't touch anything just to see if you can win completely AFK. So it was kind of like an evolving idea. It wasn't possible.

Like it technically is. Was it close at any point? Like was there any like- I think we got a couple top threes and stuff AFK. But the circles would never go to where the AFK players would drop. Right. So it's just, you'd have to be so obscenely- Lucky. The odds just weren't in our favor. We've played like 2000 games or something. Jesus. At one point we were running like three accounts. But yeah, no, it was just like-

you know, I'm shit. So I can't do what some of these other people do. I got to do what's organic to me. That makes sense. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, you're using that to your strength, right? And I feel that's like something that it seems like something that anyone can do, but just like it's the difference between being like, oh yeah, I could do some dumb stuff because I don't have the skills to actually like play the game normally. And then there's a difference of actually committing to doing it, right? And I think that's like the massive difference. You gotta sit there for a week filming something, you know? That's another thing. Everyone else, not everyone else, like that's like a very general statement, but maybe like some of the people...

that I knew where I was watching or something. Like everyone was so obsessed with like the daily Fortnite upload. - Yeah. - And I was for a bit, I would try and stick to it, but I was definitely like, if this video needs an extra couple of days, I'm gonna give it to it. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I've heard that a meme now is, a meme that's crept up is your upload schedule. - Oh yeah, no, it's dog shit. - Yeah. What's, is that to do with your eye? - Actually in some ways, because I edited,

Like I got help on like a couple videos, maybe like 10 or 15 videos throughout the years. But otherwise I edited every single video I ever uploaded. What? Wait, do you still do that? If it's on my main channel, mostly. Like I get some, it was like nowadays, if it's on the main channel, someone will like,

do one of the run-throughs. I'll add some like extra things here or there, but I'm still doing the rough cut organizing. I'm still doing the final cuts. And sometimes I'm still doing the whole thing. Well, that's definitely not helping your eyelid. No. So like, God, I think you're, you're,

You're this big and you still like edit your own videos? Yeah, I know. Like I'm still, I'm trying. I'm like, I'm trialing people. I'm trying to get out of this. It is like a mental illness. I don't want to, it's a bad thing. You should never do it. It's amazingly important early on to definitely do everything yourself. Oh yeah. You need to learn the skills. You need to know how to edit. So when you're talking to someone who edits. You're just like an idiot.

Yeah. You know what they're going through to make something happen. So you're not giving unreasonable demands or something like that. I think it's very important. Is it just like the, is it the anxiety of handing off something that you made to someone else or? Sometimes. Cause I think that's like a big issue with like, that was an issue with me when I first got my editor where it's like, I was editing my own stuff for the first like four or five years of my career. Hmm.

And then when I finally got to that point where I'm like, fuck, I don't have the time to like make these videos and upload them at the pace I want to. And also like, I'm just not very good at editing in general. So it's like, and I don't have the time to like improve on it. So I always had that anxiety of like, well, what if I give it to someone and it's not,

Exactly to the vision that I wanted to or like how do I keep I don't want to be that annoying dude to just like Constantly tell my editor like fix this fix this fix this when I could just do it myself. All right Like did you have that anxiety? Yeah, I feel like I definitely struggle cuz I just no matter what and like I

I don't want to say everyone sucks. Not everyone sucks, but definitely people have different styles. They have different approaches. And I think I suck at the fact that I'm not very good at giving notes and stuff. I'm like that kind of person. Like, oh, fuck it. I'll just do it myself. They'll send me back a test edit. Like, oh, fuck it. I'll just finish it. I'm just like... Because I'm like, oh, I don't want to sit here. I get frustrated. Like I said, it's me being broken in the brain. I'm a very cooked individual. Did all my own thumbnails. Did all that. It's just...

Thumbnails I can understand because thumbnails I would argue is more important than the editing of the video itself. Sometimes, yeah. Sometimes because I mean, yeah, I still have not found someone that can edit thumbnails exactly the way I want it. Yeah, but like

- In terms of doing your own editing, I'm still involved in my own kind of like editing when it comes to my own videos, but in terms of like rough cut, that's a lot of work. I just do like the finishing touches, man. - Especially for someone like you who's like filming for like weeks at a time. - Yeah. - That's why I don't give it to them because I know exactly from that like week of recording what I want in it. So like, what are they gonna go through? Like 25 hours of raw footage or am I just gonna go, okay, well 14 hours of that was dog shit. I know you can start stop recording, but I hate doing that.

I hate it. - I'll do like big chunks and I go, okay, I know this part I want in and I'll just do, I'll do that. - Right. - Yeah, we filmed a video where we kind of like just drove from like the most Southern point of Japan to like the most Northern point in Japan. And we had like, how many hours of footage did we have for that one? - Well, it was a 10 day road trip and there was seven cameras on it all.

- Yeah, and we did not give our editor any notes about what happened during the trip. We just dumped like- - How did they even go through that though? - So sorry. - 'Cause he's a madman, that's why. - See, that's where I'm like, I struggle. I'm not like the best when it comes to managing people or production processes or whatever. - Yeah, yeah. - I'd have zero goddamn clue. - How many people are you working with now? How big is your team?

technically five of us five but that's mostly just like you know especially like oh I'm making a video on Roblox like help me find like help me test these Roblox games like more of like

even if i come up with the initial idea a lot of time it's helping me find the stuff i need to make it a reality sometimes a lot of videos just have like that annoying anyone could do this it just takes 10 hours or five hours to do the basic thing you're like i don't have time just doing it it's also good just bounce off people get different perspectives especially like yeah i do tick tock videos or something i'm not just pulling up a youtube compilation of tick tocks or scrolling my own tick tocks it's like

I sent those boys and I said, you got a week. Find me the best hour of TikToks and I'll watch the hour and then we'll cut it down to 10 minutes. That's like the selection process for that. Like that will literally sit there for a week and grind out and find like... I think I said one time in the start of one of them, like I locked them in a room and forced them to watch TikTok. And I pretty much did, except they're in their own offices. Like...

I just, yeah. I mean, that's parts like, cause I don't want to watch TikToks first. Yeah. So that part, I, I'm, you know, I find it easy to get help because you know, it's, it's,

Yeah, it's not the most complicated thing, but it's still like, they need to be funny. They need to understand what humor is. So you still do need to find the right people. But that part's been all right. Yeah, I mean, for a YouTuber your size, five people is actually like a really fucking small team from people we've talked to at least. I mean, MrBeast has a fucking army. He's got like 5,000 people. He has like a village or something. Oh man, he's disgusting.

Yeah. Disgusting. Yeah, no, in like a disgustingly good kind of way, you know what I mean? Yeah, you've done a lot of videos with him. I visited Preston as well. I don't know if you know Preston, but he's got like a team of like 40 or 50 or something now. People everywhere. What's their YouTube handle? Preston YT, I think. He did a lot of like Minecraft stuff and like gaming stuff. 40, 50. Right, right.

- What the fuck are they doing? - I don't know. - Yeah, what? - I mean, they pump out, they're crushing. So like they're doing something. - Yeah, it's gotta be working. - Actually, like it's the first time I heard about you actually, 'cause I don't normally like play Fortnite, so I'm not really like in that scene. - Ah, you missed me. - Yeah. - I mean, I don't play it as much as I should do this. - But yeah, it was actually from a MrBeast video. It was the private jet video that- - Oh, that was good.

- Yeah, hand on the private jet. - Yeah, okay, so. - Awful experience. It was amazing, it was awful. - Exposing MrBeast right now. - He fakes everything. He fakes it all. MrBeast fakes all his videos. He like hit us with bats every now and then. Wouldn't let us go to the bathroom. - Touched the jet harder. - He's great. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think the concept of the video was like last to take the hand off the jet. - Yeah. - You didn't do too well, did you? - Hold on, I came like fourth.

I was there for 20 hours, thank you very much. I left two hours before the end. So what's it like filming on a MrBeast video that intense? I've known him for a few years, but had never been in... I guess I technically was in a video, but never been in a video before. And I think it made me appreciate him a lot more because I've been in videos with some people who...

They'll like... Blow the edges a little bit. They'll like... Force things to happen if it needs to happen for the video. Right. He is... When it comes to filming... The most authentic individual. Because like...

He wants it to happen like for real. There was a whole thing where he booked out like other airports with like other activities that we're supposed to fly to in the jet. But because enough people didn't get eliminated in time for us to get like the clearance to go fly, we needed to get down to like six people or seven people or something. And people didn't drop off fast enough. We just had to scrap all that.

He just like invested in all this, but he never, I respect it a lot because he never forced people to get eliminated. He made it difficult, but he was never like, one of you guys have got to go. Like he never games that he was like, if you can withstand this punishment, we'll

we'll sit here. Like we're not, he didn't like rig it so that we would have to go here or, you know, we'd have to get to this number by this time. So the video is done by this time because we've got to be done. He made sure he like booked out everything for as long as he needed to, like with tons of room. He made sure like there's no bathroom breaks. Like you're going with your hand on the plane. Right. We're eating with our hand on the plane. Yeah. He put like this little tent around.

You had to smell the urine of the people next to you. It was disgusting. Did anyone need to shit?

No one luckily needed to shoot. And I guess luckily enough, there was no women on the shoot in that regard. Because I would feel so bad for them. That would be like a cancel Mr. Beast moment. That would be mistreating. But yeah, he's just so authentic and real when it comes to that. And that's why he has so many people and so many staff. And he has all these contingency plans for every sort of outcome because he wants it to be authentic. And I was like, he didn't even blur any lines. He was like,

Your hand is on the jet. If you keep your hand on the jet, you win the jet. That's it. There's no bullshit. - Was it torturous to have to keep your hand on it? - Awful. Awful. And because everyone else was a psychopath, like we're all just standing there and you just had to keep, you can't sit down anymore. You can't rest your, any surface that was like resting your hand slightly, can't do it. Had to be held up like on top of the jet.

And then he taped us together to another competitor. And that's what did me. And I just couldn't handle the tape anymore. I had a bloke next to me. He was like leaning on me. I was leaning on him. And then everyone else had their tape removed because certain people got eliminated. So they just had no tape anymore. And I was like, just flip the coin. See if I can get rid of the tape.

- Yeah, how much did he tell you prior to like shooting? 'Cause it was like, how did he pitch it? Just like, "Hey, I'm doing this video with private jet." - Doing this video, hands going on a jet. Do you wanna be in it? It's not very complicated. Although we went to go, no, that was, we went to go film it and then I think it got canceled. They had to move the date. - Right. - So we got, we got all the shooting location, had to turn around, that was fun.

- But that's because everything wasn't ready. He didn't want it to be no bullshit. So then we had to film it the day after the Sidemen charity match. So everyone was like exhausted. I didn't sleep really before at all. There's a lot of eye ligma in that video. I was looking very fried. I do not do drugs. It is purely from a medical condition. So yeah, I mean, he picked the worst day. That's why like half the Sidemen weren't in it because it was after charity. - They were just like, "Oh fuck." - Yeah, "Fuck, can't be arsed." - There was supposed to be more originally.

- Yeah, no, I think it was meant to be like, I don't know if I'm leaking shit, but not that it matters, I don't think, but yeah, no, I think originally it was meant to be like all the Sidemen were meant to be in it, except I think Vic was the only one. - Were you in the Sidemen charity match? - Yes, I was, but easy to miss me 'cause-

- Fuck, did nothing. I'm not an athletic individual. - So if you guys don't know the Chideman. - Chideman. - Chideman charity match is just basically they just do football game, rent out a stadium. It's actually pretty fucking cool. - It was one of the best moments. - It's very British and they play football. - Walking on a pitch in front of like, it was like 30,000 people or something.

It's insane. It's such a cool concept. And I love sport, but I'm obviously not athletic. So I got to like role play for like a day. Which position did you play? Kind of...

I think I was midfield for most of it. I think I was left back at one point against Speed. Oh, my God. He was doing some weird things. Saying some weird shit. She's a weirdo. Nice guy, though. Actually, really nice. Surprised me. You're any good at footy? No, no. I run like a penguin. I was just running like such a goofy dumbass the whole time. Watching the clips back later, I'm like, I did not need to see that. Have you ever considered how you run?

- You've probably never thought about it, have you? - Well, no, 'cause you never fucking see it. - You just don't think about it until you see it in broadcast quality. - Especially when you're an adult as well, right? - Yeah. - You see, broadcast quality, if you're trying to sprint after a football,

Fuck it, it's eye-opening. It's eye-opening. It's shocking. So you never run again? I don't think I'm running again. Just wearing it off. I go for jogs and stuff, and I'm thinking everyone walking past me is seeing... They're seeing that. They're seeing me running like a penguin. The penguin. I'm a penguin or I've got a shit in my pants. I'm trying to squeeze my cheeks. I thought you did a lot of sport as a kid, though.

I play baseball. And I ran to first base like a penguin. That's why I sucked at baseball. Oh, God. I don't have my brother's genetics.

- Did you only play baseball or like any other sports as well? - Mostly baseball. I did a lot of like school sport and stuff. - Yeah, 'cause what's normal in- - I was decent at rugby, but- - What's normal in Australia for like the curriculum? 'Cause in England, obviously you have like footy, cricket as well. - Yeah. - I think for us it's like- - I think for us it's like cricket, like footy, like rugby. - Yeah. - That's pretty much it, right? - Pretty much it. That's all I, like all I did for PE was like,

Yeah, pretty much just cricket. Yeah. Not keeping your hand on the jet. No, nothing prepared me for that. Damn, why didn't school prepare me for the real shit that's going to happen? Man, I think if I had slept the night before, or if I just could, if I won that coin flip to get the tape off, I reckon I won. One thing that,

that you did with Fortnite, which I found really interesting was that you have a skin in Fortnite. - Yes. - How did all that come about? Like, was that a conversation? They approached you like, "We want to put skin in." - Yeah, no, I think they contacted the first five all together and just said, "Hey, we like you. "You wanna be in the game?" And you're not gonna say no, so you'd say obviously yes. And then you sort of just begin, I think for me it was like almost two years. - Yeah, right. - From that first phone call, I think it was August 2019.

For a long time, I didn't actually, it felt, I didn't want a skin because, which sounds dumb, but it's because I already had a character, the gingerbread man. Oh, right. The merry marauder. That was already so integral to my brand and identity that I felt by just releasing a skin for the sake of releasing a skin as cool as it would have been, it would feel disingenuous because it would just be like... Backstabbing the gingerbread man. Well, in some ways, but kind of just like, I'm just forcing this out.

for the sake of it. I don't know. Like I already was so attached to this thing. Yeah. But then my girlfriend had the idea of making it the old me, like the young me before who had the dream of like, my Fortnite skins are tradie. Right. So it was what I did beforehand. So it was just kind of, instead of trying to be some like superhero looking thing, some crazy outfit, which they all look really cool.

It was just more of like honoring the kid that always dreamed of being where I am now. But that's what I was, okay. - That's sales skins baby. - Yeah, let's go. - Milk it. - The story behind it. - That's my one of my two tattoos is just my Fortnite.

- Oh my God, really? - I'm just gonna put that right there. - What's your other tattoo? - Oh fuck this, I don't regret it, but it's definitely a lot of dung. - Sounds like a lot of dung. - Oh no. - What is it? - It just says yeet. - Yeet. - Okay, so when I see, I was a fucking broken record. I could not stop saying yeet. Like you would have been, I don't know, I'm assuming like the cold ones one comes out before this. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - But like Chad, all he does is say double it and give it to the next person.

That's all he says. He always says to me. So I'm like, same thing. Broken record. I couldn't stop saying yeet. It was already a dead meme. So I made it my meme. The fact that it was a dead meme, I just couldn't stop saying it. Yeah. And then I was like, it'd be funny. It's a fun word to say. Yeah. But I was planning on getting tattoos all up this arm so it wasn't going to be quiet.

But now it's just like, yeah. Yeah. Well, I remember Joey went for your phrase where he just would continually dab even when the dabbing me. Oh yeah. I was dead. I was dead. That shit. Oh, nothing wrong with a good dab. I think one year it was like 2016, 2017, way after like the dab had already died. I was just like, I'm going to challenge myself to see that if every photo I take and I upload onto the internet is of me dabbing.

- Oh God. - Yeah. - And I did it for the entire year. If you look up any photo from like 2016, 2017, it's me, Dan. There isn't a single normal photo of me in that year. - Holding a fidget spinner or something. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I should have double fidget spinner. - I hit a fidget spinner with a sledgehammer once and it slammed into my ankle and like fractured my ankle. That's the one video I made with a fidget spinner.

You got taught a harsh lesson. Yeah, no, it was like a metal one. I was like, oh, I reckon I could break this with a sledgehammer. So I hit it and just slammed it in my ankle. Me versus $10,000 fidget spinner. It probably was some cringe-ass title. It was.

- So you got the skin made and it came out and what was the reaction like when you bought that? - It was funny 'cause like a lot of people loved the message behind it, but everyone who was an Australian had no fucking clue what it was. - They didn't know what a trade was. - Well they didn't want to trade it 'cause like- - What was the skin name? What was it just called? - It's just called Lazerbeam. - I'm pretty sure actually, I think it's just Lazerbeam, yeah. - But what was the message behind it? - Well, it was just pretty much just like,

- Well, his old self. - Yeah, this is my old self. 'Cause I did a video and like I did the lowest production value video out of anyone who announced their skin. It was funny. I did the thumbnail like 30 minutes before it went up. I was sitting in Discord with Locky like, "This looks all right, innit?" It's only like one of the biggest moments of your life. You're just throwing this shit together last minute. I'm like, "Abby, right?"

Yeah, so I kind of did a video on a job site that my dad's working on actually. So it was kind of like, it was a throwback. I went there, I just talked about the skin, why I picked what I did. So a lot of people really liked that, but they're just like,

Everyone else is all these glowy characters. And look, the skin did well. So people still supported this. We love that. But everyone really responded well to the message behind it, definitely. And also another big thing for Fortnite creators that I don't think I've seen any other game do is the tattoo you have. It's that and Roblox. Roblox has a star code, which is also you can use code laser. But that doesn't do as well because like,

Kids have to steal their parents' credit cards for that. - Yeah. - Which we should not do unless you are using Code Laser. - Explain what the creative code is for people who might not know what it was. - It's one of the most amazing, brilliant things and I will forever be grateful to Epic Games for it because it basically allowed it so you had another way to support people making content. So they made it so that when you're buying skins,

you could enter a code and the person who's coded would get 5% of the purchase. So it just gave... There was so many people who had like just different forms of content, map builders, Instagram pages, things that didn't necessarily generate lots of ad revenue or something like that. Yeah, yeah.

For me early on when I was getting really bad ad rates with Fortnite, I was still making decent money because the views were so crazy. But like it was massive for me. It was such a massive thing for me. It gave so much more security where like, you know, ads were inconsistent. And that's just for me. 5% of our skins, especially if you're getting 10 million view video. It was good. It was good. And I think it just...

Made it like so... It was viable for so many more creators to actually...

make content full time or, you know, be around the game full time. And obviously it was a brilliant decision for them because it bred so much creative loyalty. Yeah. And then, yeah, you see a lot of people do it now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, starting to at least, I think they're still doing it now. Yeah. No, they still do it now. Although the codes do expire every 14 days, which was brilliant from them because even I forget to put my own code in when I buy skins. Oh, so you have to, you have to reenter it every 14 days. Oh,

Which is fine because I guess the idea is they want people to do different codes but- I thought you would have had to have done it for every purchase anyway. No. I didn't know you could just do one and done. The thing is like a lot of people on Fortnite were on console and they're-

- Lazy. - You don't wanna type. - Lazy. So when I changed, my code was originally laser beam and then I changed it to laser and like usage of my code went up like 50, 60% just 'cause people are fucking lazy. And I get it, I'm with them. I'm with them. - That's crazy that it's that big of a difference though. - Yeah, I can't remember the exact number, but it was definitely like significant increase. - Oh wow, fuck.

- Yeah, we talked to Lachlan a bit about the, I guess the economy of Roblox. 'Cause I know basically nothing. - The stock exchange of Roblox. - The stock exchange. - Roblox is fucking mad. - Yeah, and how like, yeah, they would like, people would, I guess like make a fucking sweatshop or something, except the kids would like make maps.

- I guess like, what is that about? Like I did not get like the full picture. Can you explain to me what the economy of Roblox is? - Of Roblox is? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's an interesting thing 'cause I only really make videos taking the piss out of the game. Like I will just like, I'll spend like 10 grand and pay to win and just like,

I almost say bully kids because they can always leave the game. So they're kind of choosing to get destroyed. But yeah, like all these Roblox games, not all of them, but a lot of them are pay to win. Right. How so? Well, okay. So like, I mean,

One of my favorite ones is like, there's this game where you can, it's like slap, it's like slap battles. And you're meant to slowly grind. The more people you slap, the more points you get. You get a better hand to slap people with. It's like playing with Lego. It's fun. But then you can just go in and spend like 20 bucks and buy like a God hand. And you're unkillable. And everyone who joins the lobby just slap the fuck out of you. And you just,

You just knock them off the mat and they can't do anything about it. And it's the funniest thing. I'm like, this is $10. This is cheaper than a movie. And I'm sitting here having a time of my life. So I guess like a lot of kids like just love buying that shit. There's also, you can buy items. It's like there's thousands of games. Right. Which is like anyone can make a game. Anyone can upload any game and then you can monetize it however you want. Right, right, right. And I think you get 30%.

30% so if someone spends $100 on your game you get $30 right and yeah that's a nasty cut from them I feel like they provide the servers the game engine I've talked to developers about it because I thought the same thing but the developers seem some of them at least seem quite happy and content with it but you can create like cosmetics

You can have, so a lot of them are like pet simulators and stuff where you buy and trade pets like it's fucking Pokemon, except they all just look like squares and like, bless those guys, they helped me make a video. So like the game's fun and it's just addicting. And it's just like, kids just love collecting these pets and upgrading their pets and have more powerful pets.

And you know, they spend money to get those pets. - And you come along and you're like, how could I best ruin this kid's day today? - Oh, absolutely. So my big thing is like, I just like to spend a bunch of money to get on high scores. So I'll be like, there'll be like these kids that are grinding for months. Like you see their play time. I come in 15 minutes, $300, number one. And I'm like, job's done. - It's a good lesson to teach kids. - It's my most popular video on my channel is the first episode of that.

- This is a great video idea. - It was mad, but so yeah, like basically just sell the cosmetics. Whereas for Fortnite, Fortnite sell the skins. In Roblox, you just like people make the skins. - Right, right, right. - And you buy it off the marketplace. So even your character that goes from game to game,

someone's just made that skin. So that's why you get all the meme ones. Like people just run around a SpongeBob or like, you know, any character you can think of, any meme at any time. And that's just how, and they just take their cut off that. It's all pretty much all UGC, like user generated content. It's smart. Roblox is worth over, I think well over a billion dollars. It's crazy that it's worth. I think it's the most,

valuable game it's the most played game I'm pretty sure it hit on update nights for it which I don't know what they are but it gets up to 10 million concurrent players yeah it's not like not like daily active like concurrent yeah there is more people probably playing right one of the there's a game called Bloxfruits which has at any given time 300,000 to 600,000 concurrent players and

playing a Roblox game. Oh my God. About being an anime character. I think it might be based off like One Piece, but like a ripoff. Block Fruits. Block Fruits. But it has more players concurrently than all the Fortnite game modes.

Epic Games' biggest game has less concurrent players than fucking Bloxfruit. And I'm like, that's a compliment to fucking Bloxfruit because it's a great game. But like, what the fuck? It works in a browser. Yeah. It's on a phone. Yeah. That's like two big things that just make it like easy. You know, it's so easy. It's Lego pieces with anime swords. Yeah.

And it's more players than all of, because Fortnite recently just showed it. So like they'll show their concurrent players and all that. Because they're trying to do a similar thing where they like, there's all these Fortnite maps. They want to do a lot of UGC generated stuff. And so now they show you how many people are in Battle Royale right now. Yeah. It's less than Bloxfruits. It's fucking crazy.

- How do they get from this is I gotta play Bloxfruits. - I mean, if probably every 10 year old in the world is playing Bloxfruits, that's what I get. And they are making tens of millions of dollars a year. - How do they get around copyright if it's like user generated content? - That's the golden question. - Yeah, I mean, if there's this much money and this much- - You wait until the cease and desist.

I feel like the big boys like say Bloxfruits just everything's a different name. Everything looks slightly different but maybe it's got a similar energy. But for people making like meme skins, I just don't think they care.

Like they just like ban them if it's like bad or something. - Right, right, right. - I don't know. But you'll see people running around with some funny ass characters in Roblox. - Yeah, 'cause I guess it sounds like a similar thing to like say VR chat or something where all like the avatars are user generated. - VR chat's fucking great. - Yeah, except I don't think, I think right now it's mostly user generated and I don't know if they're making a profit or anything like that.

- Well, there isn't 600,000 people in VR chat. - Yeah, that's the thing, right? That's the thing. VR chat doesn't have block free, man. - That's crazy. - I don't know how VR chat works. - But it's, I think, Roblox is also like the biggest game on YouTube right now, like far and away. - Right. - Like views. - Right. - You just never necessarily see it. - Yeah, I guess 'cause it's,

If you're our age, you definitely don't. Yeah, no, it's not for me from like a content watching thing necessarily. Yeah, yeah, yeah. God, I love playing it. It's so fun. I recommend everyone who has, you know, if you ever got some disposable income for like a little bit, just go bully some kids. You're teaching these kids a valuable lesson. Capitalism. Get ready for the real world, right? Life comes at you fast. There's always someone with a fatter wallet. 100%.

You gotta deal with that. - Yeah, good. - Skill issue. What's the most fucked? Spawn issue. - Spawn issue. - Spawn issue. - Yeah. - There's one thing I wanna ask you about. This is my, one of my favorite Fortnite controversies. - Oh really? - Yeah. - Okay, yeah, yeah. - Well, it's not really about Fortnite, but there was, I mean, you pretty know all about this. There was this, I know you guys might not know about this. There was this kid who was in the FaZe Clan called Jarvis. - Oh.

- Oh, oh. - So what he did was he had the, you know, 'cause content was running a little dry. He had the big brain idea of what if I made a video where I downloaded an aim bot and showed off an aim bot in like normal,

- Oh, I have heard of this. - It was like a cultural moment. It wasn't just a Fortnite moment. - It was huge. Cheating was rampant, but he went into like a normal non-ranked game, I think, and just showed off what it was like and what these cheaters were using. And then he got a lifetime ban from Fortnite. - Permanent ban. - Oh yes, I have heard of this. - He was also like, he was like what, like 17? - Yeah, he was young. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And he made a video like crying and it was very,

And a lot of people felt like it was unjust. - It became the biggest meme. - Yeah, I mean- - What do you think about that? I just wanna hear your take on it. - Fuck a moron for hacking. Like it's an obvious thing. You don't mess with that at all. But like you said, he's young. - He was young. So it was such a weird case. It was like, obviously you're a fucking idiot, but yeah. - I think it's like a double standard thing, right? It was usually, 'cause if they made the exception for him, 'cause he's young and he is popular,

what about the other people who actually just hack? Obviously he's not hacking 'cause he needs to, he was good at the game. He was hacking to show a point or make a funny video, whatever. But it's like, where do you draw the line then on like other people's ban appeals and stuff like that? It was a tough spot for Epic to be in. I would have unbanned him, but you know. - They could have also banned him and had a time limit on it.

- Which was also another option. - But I think it's just like the usual thing is a hardware IP ban every person. But I would say the one argument I have against that is usually because most people who are banned do not have their identity attached to it. They are able to get around it. But he was like, it's not just like, he couldn't make Fortnite videos anymore 'cause he would get sued. Even if he like made the video and like, you know, didn't show the character name or made a new account every time he made a video, he'd get sued. Like, so he had absolutely no choice.

I think, yeah, he probably should have been unbanned, but a bit of a fucking war. Did they get resolved? No. And, you know, credit to him. He's found ways to pivot throughout the years, but it's just a shame because he was good. He was popping off. He was going crazy. It was huge news when it happened. I remember it was, and everyone had an opinion because it was- As everyone does all the time on Twitter. It was a good story. Whether they should or shouldn't, I've got thoughts on this.

- Yeah, I mean like, I think I saw this on a clip like somewhere on some person like explaining it. And I mean, it seemed like he was very sorry about it, but- - He was very very sorry about it, but I don't know. It was fucking dumb thing to do. I mean, it's kind of like,

I guess in my field, like it would be like, hey, there's this website that you can do to watch anime like illegally by the way, I'm just showing it off not because I promote it, but here, let me just show it off. - Look how bad these illegal watches are. - Yeah, yeah, let me just show it off to all my viewer base. - You could have gone. - Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? - That's like no different to just like

putting a mountain of cocaine on the table and being like, you see this, this is bad. - Meanwhile, you're just racking it up. - Don't, this is bad. I'm gonna show you how bad it is. - I'm gonna show you the effects of this and how bad it is right now. - Drugs are bad. Drugs is terrible. - It's like officer, your honor, I was just trying to show the kids. - Yeah, just add to like the reason like 50 of why I was glad I got into YouTubing after the age of 18.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I think it's like an interesting thought. And I think of this with a lot of YouTube controversy where people do something dumb. It's like there is a feedback loop that happens on YouTube. Yeah.

And like say, I use Logan Paul's example. They're not comparable situations, but I would say large amounts of the time you're making content, you get a positive response. You go a little bit more extreme with that content and you do something more outlandish. You go a little bit more wild with it. More of a positive response. The more extreme the video, the more extreme the emotions you're engaging, more extreme the views response.

I'd say with like Logan and his forest thing, obviously horrible thing to do. But up until that, every time he did something crazy, getting constantly like positive feedback, everyone on Twitter. From his audience, I think.

- Even honestly, in general, I would say at the time he was in YouTube Rewind. He was the face of YouTube at the time. He was getting four or 500 million views a month. I'm not saying whether he was doing the right thing all the time. - I feel like there was a good chunk of people on the internet who were not a fan there even before that. And I think that was like the, yes, he finally did it. - It was like two opposite ends of the spectrum for sure. - But I'd say even the bubble he was in, I was saying like, well, he could be a bad person anyway. I'm just saying that like,

for that thing, he was constantly going crazy, getting more good results from it. I don't think he started out saying, this is a great idea. This is where I want to end up. And obviously it's very different to the Java situation, but I would say in Fortnite at the time, like people who were doing videos of like...

catching a hack or something like that you're getting all these positive responses that makes it so you don't fully consider all the potential outcomes for what you're actually creating especially like it's always interesting to see when a video gets posted or when you know your own kind of content and your own kind of character gets judged to

to an audience that's outside of your established audience as well. 'Cause sometimes you don't, sometimes you get kind of a reality check, especially with someone like Logan Paul or someone on that size where you get the feedback that you don't normally expect. - And it can be healthy obviously. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - There was also another video that came out not too long ago that was kind of similar,

I guess, very different in delivery and purpose. There was a guy who did a video about Tarkov and cheating in Tarkov. And he, in the video, he downloaded an aimbot and he was trying to find other people who were also using an aimbot. And it was really kind of compelling because there was...

those moments where the two aimbot dudes could see each other through walls and stuff. They were like noticing each other and giving each other signs. And they'd be like, "Don't shoot me, I'm also aimbot. "Go and shoot someone else." - We're friends. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he was just kind of like documenting. It was a really good video. And it kind of threw that community into like uproar 'cause they were like, "What the fuck?"

Yeah. I don't... Well, that's it. I think there's been so many videos I've scrapped because I'm like, oh, Epic might not like this or this game dev might not like it. I guess that's also a way where the creator code or maybe the skin has a little bit of power. I would say, I would say for sure. But I think there's just, you know, how far can I push it before I get in trouble with Epic or something? We did this video where we played old versions of Fortnite that people sort of like re-upload and remade. And you're...

Like we worked out after a while, you're fine to do it as long as you don't do the multiplayer one or you don't use skins. Cause I don't want it to be like people can play this other Fortnite where they're not playing skins and stuff like that. So it ended up being fine, but it was like, there's a line here and we're here. - Have you ever been contacted or been told like off the records? - Epic Games told me to,

- Take videos down, yeah. - Oh shit. - I was doing like a glitch or some shit and they'd be like, "Yeah, no, fuck that off." And I was like, "Look, I love you, whatever you want." Fair enough, 'cause like it was actually something they just couldn't fix for a while. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And it was like game breaking.

- I think at the time you could fly a helicopter or something well above the height barrier. So you could just get a bunch of meds at the start of the game and just sit up there and just heal without anyone, no other player could even see you. - Right, right. - You just sit up there, you'd win every game. - Are you uploaded the video doing that?

- Yeah, yeah, everybody did. Well, because it was like early on, it was like a rat race, bro. It was like- - Yeah, it was like if you didn't do it- - You had to get this video out. I used to sleep like two or three hours a night, edit my own video. Like I try and like sometimes weep as I'm going to sleep, but I had no moisture in my eyes, I couldn't cry. It was a fucking grind 'cause you were in a constant hustle to get that stuff out. I didn't have time to think of like, oh, is Epic gonna like this glitch? - Yeah. - I mean, at the end of the day, like-

Fix your bugs. My problem. But, you know, they asked nicely. I'm like, fair enough. That's reasonable. Like they explain why. I'm like, I'm waiting for the laser beam apology video in like two years. Sorry. I didn't mean it. Sorry for hacking your game, bro. But yeah, I mean, like,

They didn't ban me though. But I was constantly scared sometimes they would. Do you play other games outside of the games you make content around? RuneScape. I still play a little bit of RuneScape. I had a WoW phase at the start of this year. End of last year, I should say. WoW Classic. Dragonflight came out, the new expansion. I did do classic Burning Crusade for a bit. I just don't like other people, so I can't raid. Well, I get socially anxious. Unless they're children, right?

Unless I can just- If you get the children that you can bully. If I could just pay money to be better than the maid. But like- Saudi prince when they gain. You know, I ain't beating like Illidan with like a couple V-Bucks or something. I can't just pay some money. So yeah, like raiding like intimidated me. So I didn't keep playing. What else do I play? I play still a lot of sports games. Play a lot of Crusader Kings. Like the strategy games. Love that shit.

Been playing super auto pets a lot lately. Shout out. Mobile games. What else do I play? Honestly, like it's either hardcore strategy games. - I love strategy games. - Or I'm quite literally just playing a sports game of some kind probably here. FIFA. - The good old days, man. - Yeah, it's pretty hard to make videos on strategy games though.

- It's really tough, but some people do make some great Crusader Kings. - There's another Aussie who does, I think he does like Factorio videos. - I haven't seen that unfortunately. Sounds like I'm missing out. - And they're really good 'cause Factorio is probably the most boring fucking game in the world to watch someone play. - But some people can make shit so compelling. - Yeah, they just make it into a good narrative and it just works. I forgot the guy's name, he's very funny. He does like just cause speed runs, but when I say speed runs, they're like 70 hour runs.

- Fucking hell. - In one go. - Insane humans, man, insane humans. - Actually, just another level of insanity. You mentioned earlier as well that when you started out, maybe you do now, you had imposter syndrome, but obviously right now you're at such a high- - Oh, still, it's worse now. - High level. How does that come into effect with slowing down, making content, or do you second guess yourself a lot more when it blows up? - I think when you're in a rhythm,

it's easy to just keep going. And you don't think... Like you still have imposter syndrome, but like you don't... You're still just in a rhythm. When you sort of take... Because a bunch of shit happened in my life in 2021 that was sort of the reason to take a step back. Shit that was outside my control, unfortunately. But you know, life's fine now. But it sort of broke that rhythm a little bit. And all of a sudden...

When you're out of that rhythm, you start overthinking videos a little bit and you're like... I know what you mean. Yeah. Maybe I'm not as good as I thought. I don't know. This is crazy. It also just comes down to like a lot of shit's quite boring in gaming right now. I would say, unfortunately, there's nothing that really makes me too enthusiastic. So I feel like if I'm not fully believing in the video, it's not worth it. It's not worth it.

Even though people just like seeing you have fun. Just do something. Well, it sucks, right? Because you kind of get that... You kind of get like a false allurement because sometimes you get some videos that just feel so right and it works perfectly. And then you're like, damn, but this other video just doesn't feel like that. And it's like, well...

That's what having a job is. Yeah. Not relying on that high of getting everything perfect. It's having to force yourself when the idea is maybe not as good as it could be to either make it better or just power through and make it decent. But is that not like, I would say...

some of the massive privilege that comes with like perhaps you have some previous success oh absolutely and there isn't that like do or die like when i was leaving the job site it's like it's this or i'm have fucking no idea what i'm doing right yeah you are you are just whatever it takes whereas now you have choices i could i can go be in other people's videos i could do this i could like not upload a video i could i could honestly not upload but i still love it i'm still obsessed with it so it's like

you don't have to do stuff you don't necessarily want to do, which is a massive privilege, but it does lead to that like, you know, paralysis, like decision paralysis in some ways too. Especially when you start doubting yourself with like, am I as good as I used to be? Like, well, people don't like me anymore. - Have you ever thought about doing things outside of just like, you know, gaming videos? Like, because obviously you do like a lot of challenges with games right now, but you definitely have like the resources to do like,

wild and wacky yeah like you can do like some like wild like irl stuff yeah that's what like my ignorance unfortunately coming into this like i i knew a lot of you guys from like i was saying to alex i'm like oh they're the anime guys right and that's like my ignorance i apologize but like you're not wrong you're not wrong like there's a lot of like origins there but you've like sort of expanded into other things yeah yeah i think um definitely like i mean i i

I've done pretty much everything that can be done like sitting on your computer. Like any sort of react stuff, streaming, gaming, whatever it is. And like I said, when I was doing real world stuff, it was very more vlog style. But I think it is definitely like a goal of mine this year, especially I've done a lot of stuff with the Sidemen who do a lot of like, all they do is the real world stuff. And I think it's just fun. I'm like, I don't really care. Like I've been there, done that when it comes to getting views. It's not really about that, I suppose. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm filming now.

It'd just be cool. I think it'd be a cool little thing to see. So I'm definitely trying, but we'll see. Yeah, because I feel like there... I don't know. There's a feel... I feel like you would be so entertaining to do... To see you guys just like... To see you just doing challenges IRL instead of just... Maybe instead of bullying kids...

- It's funny though. - Bully kids IRL. - It's got bully kids IRL. - Yeah, bully kids IRL. - Oh, I had an idea. - Okay, all right. - I'm not gonna do it though. It was a YouTube short 'cause I didn't know how to thumbnail and title it, but it's like someone kills me in Fortnite, I shop at their house.

I go, hey, you want to fucking go? And statistically, they're probably like 15. So I'm probably like, let's box and match. No, because the whole idea was like, challenge them to a fight IRL. They beat me in Fortnite. I'm dog shit at Fortnite, but I'm like, fight me IRL. There's also a chance I show up as a big bikey or something like that. It kills me. Which would be equally entertaining. Yeah.

- No, not for me. Not for me though. - Do you think you're gonna be a good dad? - Oh, I'm an amazing uncle. So I think I'll be a great dad. 'Cause they're on my team. - You're gonna teach him hard lessons right away, I think out of the gate. - I don't know, 'cause like, I think I'll spoil them. They'll be the ones bullying the other kids. - Yeah, you just teach them like, this is how you- - If your kids suck at the video game, you're like, no, we can't have this. We gotta fucking pay to win right now.

Oh, yeah. No. So I have my nephew as part of my most recent Roblox video. I did. I gave him $10,000 worth of Robux. He's 10, by the way. Oh, I don't know. Okay. I'm not allowed to say this because his dad might get mad at me. But anyway, it's funny. He spent it all within a day.

Because he just didn't know what the fuck. He had no concept of what it was actually worth. Well, because in Roblox, like some guy just convinces you to buy some item that's actually worth like 50 Robux for like 50,000 or some shit. And I think he might have just wasted on one or two games or something. And yeah, it was gone in a day. So I'd probably do that.

That'd probably just be- - That's insane. - I can't help it. They're just like- - Do you feel like you want to give them a hundred now and see how long it takes? - Yeah. It was kind of funny 'cause it was for the video, so I really care. - Yeah. - But like, obviously he got in a little bit of trouble. He was supposed to share it with his sister, but he didn't.

but he didn't. Yeah, that's the main thing he got in trouble with. I'm sure he's got another 10K, right? Unfortunately, if I had some left, but it's really hard to buy that many Robux. Nothing wrong with spending 10,000. The fact you didn't share though. Yeah, I mean, I just don't know how it went that fast. He messaged me because he has a phone now. So he messaged me. He's like, Uncle Lenny,

Can I spend these Robux after I sent it to him? He's like, yeah, you can spend it. I was like, just go really slow. Spend it over like two months or something like that. Have fun. Enjoy yourself. Buy the things in your favorite games. Pay to win. Do that stuff. That's fine. Then it's gone in a day. Did he buy anything substantial? No. I checked his account. It's got nothing interesting on it. Where did it go? Someone's probably just messaging like, oh, yeah, buy this hat for like...

a million or some shit. - He could have bought one of those items on the exchange and then he could have been like, "Uncle, I've managed to turn the 10,000 into 15." - He could be investing. - I'm a mogul of Roblox. - That's how all the richest Roblox people made that money is they traded collectibles. Either that or they make the games themselves.

- Yeah, no, I'll be probably spoiling him. I don't know. - Yeah. - You should teach him a lesson in like investment. I don't know why, but the- - Yeah, send him bankrupt. - I wish my uncle gave me an investment lesson. - You gotta go through bankruptcy court now. You're actually broke. You gotta wait seven years to be able to have credit again. - There has to be a Roblox bankruptcy, man. It's like you get to go into the court and some 10 year old's like,

There's money tycoon. Yeah. Some of my favorite real world videos I did with him. Like he's an audience favorite, my nephew.

Maybe I'll get back to that. Like just take him on adventures. Yeah. Because this is getting off topic now, but like kind of like the one scene, the one and only scene that stands out to me the most in fucking Yu-Gi-Oh. Remember like the original Yu-Gi-Oh anime? Yeah. There's a scene where this is how I basically learned about stocks, basically. I know the scene you're talking about. Do you know what I'm talking about? I'm glad we're talking about anime though. I've got opinions, but.

- Okay, we'll get into that. So it's like Seto Kaiba's backstory, I think. And he has like an adopted dad who is like, "I will adopt you, but I'm going to give you $1 million. And if you can turn this into $10 million, I will adopt you." - Shit, game's a game, man. - And basically Seto Kaiba explains basically like

how stocks work and companies via like Yu-Gi-Oh cards being like, I have a hundred cards in front of me right now. What if I just buy 51% of this company represented by 51% of 51 Yu-Gi-Oh cards and I force them to give them $10 million.

That's how stocks work. - Oh my God. - What if we do that with Roblox? - I watched Hugo on cheese TV as a kid or whatever. But I never remember none of that. Like I feel like as a kid, like I watched Hugo, but I never in took anything that actually happened.

- I don't know. - Did you play Yu-Gi-Oh as well as a kid? - I had the cards but- - It pissed me off that the TV show, none of the cards worked the fucking same as they did as the- - The TV show broke rules. - They would just change the cards and I really liked playing it. Yeah, I was like, this is bullshit. Kuriboh fucking sucks.

- Why does he keep using it? - My favorite thing about like, and I think it was the same with like Pokemon cards and shit is you just like anyone who had a color printer was just printing off like these Yu-Gi-Oh cards. - Wait, they did that? - And they're real. - Joey said the, it's like, oh my God. - But my parents- - You get bullied in my school if you did that. - My parents like refused to buy me Yu-Gi-Oh cards. There was times where we had like some money as a kid and then times where we didn't. And the time where Yu-Gi-Oh cards were around, we had like nothing.

So like my mom's like, yeah, you can't have any. So I had to lie to kids. Oh yeah, I've got grandpa's deck at home. I'm about to bring it in. That's literally the Yu-Gi-Oh plot. I've got grandpa's deck. Then it's like,

- Like where's your cards bro, what are you doing? Same as Beyblades, I didn't have a Beyblade for like fucking years. - No, because my dad worked at a printing company. So like we had like the best printer. So I forced my dad to print out all the Exodia cards. - Yes, the Exodias bro. - Bring that to school and they'd be like, "Whoa, he's got all the Exodias bro." - Being nine was such a great time. - One time my friends had cards I really, really wanted. And I was like, fuck, okay, I'll try it. What do you want for it? And he gave a list of cards he wanted for all, I think it was the elemental heroes or something. - Yeah. - Back when that was the cards.

So I met up with him. I gave him the cards. He gave me the cards and I'm looking at them and the top one's fine. It's legit. And as I'm like moving these cards around, all the names are just in Chinese, but not Chinese Chinese. They're in like Roman alphabet Chinese.

So it's like, it's Chinese spelt out phonetically in English. And I was like, what the fuck is this? What is this? That's a rare card. And I was like, what the?

"What the hell? I can't read this shit. What cards did you give me?" And they were like kind of discolored as well. "You fucked me. Give me my cards back right now." I got my mom to fucking scream at her mom to give me the cards back 'cause she fucking scammed me. I was like, "What the fuck?" - My dad will beat up your dad. - I summon Bing Chilling Dragon. - It's just like, "What the fuck?"

- Did you go through a Pokemon card phase or anything like that? - Yeah, I definitely had Pokemon cards. I never like played the card games themselves though. - I don't think anyone did. - Not since I've been an adult though. Like I know Locky's like loves these Pokemon cards, but. - Oh, and all of YouTube got obsessed. - Oh yeah, massively. - Gambling for Pokemon cards. It was like the most sanitized form of gambling ever. - Yeah.

I mean, it was some good investments for some people. No, I never like got super into like as an adult. Like I don't, I have not, maybe I had some sick cards as a kid, but- Too busy on RuneScape. Yeah. Too busy on RuneScape. The real things don't matter. But I wish like, I've thought about going, cause I-

- The reason I was bringing up the whole anime thing is because I watched my first anime recently properly. I watched Dragon Ball Z, Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh! is a kid on TV on the morning cartoons, you know? But I never actually like watched them because I was an idiot and I was a moron. But I watched my first anime and I was very proud of myself. Alex behind the camera has been trying to convince me for a very long time. Watch Attack on Titan. - Nice. - I was just in Fortnite.

- Captain Levi is the goat. And I was just like, yeah, I just wanted to share that. I watched my first anime, so thank you. - Hell yeah. - How'd you feel? - Ah, no, it was sick. I think even still, 'cause I watched a subtitled version. That's what I've told is the most authentic way.

like weird my girlfriend out a little bit because there's a lot of grunting and stuff like like it's my ignorance it's ignorant right but it's what it's almost i figured that out i slowly figured out that when they were saying nani like what was showing up um

But that was cool. That was a cool thing for me to skip. I thought it was just a meme. - What, from like the Omaiwa Moshin, the root? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was just like, everyone would edit into their videos like, "Nani?" - I can't yell, my God. - But it's just like, there's so much, like even in Attack on Titan, not so much the later seasons, but there's still so much

wasted time, I think in anime. And so there is an old TV. - You've got a Fortnite brain, I think. - Oh yeah, no, I'm TikTok. - It's that TikTok brain, man. - I need the subway circuit people. - How is time wasted in it? Explain. - They just spend a lot of time just like repeating the same shit or like just,

talking about stuff that I don't think matters, but maybe it's good for like world building or some shit, but I'm like- - Are you caught up on the second time? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't read it though. Alex knows what happens. - Yeah, was a lot of it confusing as well? 'Cause the Taken Tide is a weird story. - Nah, I got it from start. - All right, okay. - No, no, I mean,

it was obviously just like keeps throwing shit at you. It's like all of a sudden everything you thought was real fucking wrong. Everything you thought was real wrong. It just like keeps changing the game on you, which I thought was really cool. Like it just kept changing the scope. It was getting bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger. - Well, I think Attack on Titan is probably like, in my opinion,

arguably the best starter anime. - I think from what I've heard, it was a great one for me to start in. - "Attack on Titan" is way better than "Death Note" in terms of like- - That was the thing I was gonna ask is like,

- What should you watch? - What's next? I've been told Demon Slayer, but I wanna honestly like get a top five of what I should do next. - In terms of starter anime, Chainsaw Man. - Yeah, Chainsaw Man. - Actually, before we get into this, what kind of like TV shows do you like or movies? - Oh, I'm a very broad spectrum person in that regard. I don't think I have any, the only thing I don't like is horror. - Okay. - Because I'm a massive coward. Scariest movie I ever watched was Scary Movie 1.

- You know that's a comedy, right? - Yeah. - That's why it's fucking bad. I was like six or seven when I first watched it and I thought the scream mask was from that originally. - I thought that too. - Oh, okay. - And like that scene was like a dick that goes through someone's ear or some shit. - Oh yeah. - No, it's terrifying. - That was terrifying. - It gave me nightmares. - Oh yeah, yeah. - So yeah, I don't like horror. Otherwise pretty open to anything. - Well, luckily anime isn't that great at the horror genre. - I mean, Attack on Titan gets pretty fucking good.

- That's probably more gory than horror. - Yeah, that's a bit more violent gory than horror, but yeah. Anime generally doesn't do horror well. So that's a good thing for you. - It does it by accident well sometimes. - Yeah, okay. - There's a lot of things that are horrific, but not horror. - Actually there are some pretty scary scenes in Attack on Titan. - Oh yeah, okay. - God, I just remember like, remembering the first scene, remembering seeing that first Titan. - Oh yeah. - Can we, I mean, I don't know, you let her like talk about it

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's talk about it. - Well, just when his fucking mum gets eaten. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's horrifying. I had no context what this show was about to watch. Everyone's just like, "Watch Attack on Titan." I'm like, okay. I'm like, okay, anime can't be that metal, right? It can't be that hardcore. - It is, yeah. - I thought maybe you'd see like sword fighting, like gory in that sense. This man, like you're witnessing childhood trauma. Like actual real trauma. Credit to the people that animated this stuff 'cause like you see,

Like lifelong damage being imprinted in this kid as his mother is slowly, dramatically chomped in half. And then it turns out it's his fucking step-mom that did it or whatever it was. It's like his father's previous wife or some shit. It's like, what the fuck? What? Yeah. I remember the first time seeing like, cause Attack on Titan fucking blew up when it first aired from episode one. And yeah,

- Just seeing that first like smiling Titan, like the one that eats Aaron's mom, that was like nightmare fuel. Especially if you see as a kid. - Also the muscles on the butt cheeks of the colossal Titan. That was traumatizing, man. You saw every fiber in that gluteus maximus. - He's done some squats, bro. - Yeah, 100%. - Is it traumatizing?

Maybe it was a different kind of feeling. I think you'd like Death Note. I think Death Note you'd like a lot. All right. That's a classic. Everyone knows Death Note. Alex, track these for me, please. Remind me later. Death Note, I feel Death Note is like not, I wouldn't say it's like the best gateway anime because unlike Attack on Titan, that's like, especially season one where it's like very easy to understand, very easy to get into because there's a lot of like high intense action that anyone can get into. Death Note's easy to understand.

Well, Death Note is a lot more like- That's just they write in there and like, someone's going to die. It's a lot more like mental and like psychological battles rather than like actual physical fights, which I think is like, you know- No, I think Death Note is great. Like the only, the most physical they get in Death Note is when L and Light play tennis. I still think it's a good starter anime, Death Note. It is, but it's a different flavor. Yeah. Right? Like it's, I feel it's a different side of anime that, you know, it very much exists and it's still great, but it's not like Attack on Titan.

Off the top of your head, what are some of your favorite movies? Monty Python, Holy Grail. Good choice. Free Guy, because I'm in it. I don't know. See, I consume so much stuff, but like, fuck if I... Everywhere, everything all at once. Banger. That was a great movie. I had no idea what that movie was before I saw it. We went through some early screening thing for it. Blew me away. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I have any sort of genre or any type of thing that I'm very...

average ass human being in that regard where I just- - You'd love Death Note. Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood is pretty good. It's very anime. - I think the first, yeah, the first anime I heard of that like I knew people were watching years ago was Full Metal Alchemist. - That's like, I think it's been rated by anime fans like the best anime. - Okay. I'm not watching something that's got more than like a hundred episodes or so. If it's like one of those like, is it One Piece has got like a thousand episodes? - Yeah, One Piece has got a thousand episodes. - Fuck that, not doing that. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a big commitment. - Well, Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood

- That's doable, that's doable, that's fun. - I say Chainsaw Man would be pretty good if you liked Attack on Titan, 'cause that's only 12 episodes. - Yeah, that's very long. - It's only 12. - It's very horny though. - Horny? - It's very horny. A lot of anime is very horny. - There's already so much grunting, how much more horny can it get? - You haven't seen the half of it. - I'm gonna be real, my girlfriend thought I was watching something. She was walking in like, "What is happening? "You're in the living room, bro, the windows are open." - There was an anime that was like,

a guy who just reviewed brothels in another universe. That was like an anime. - What's that one called? - "Inter-species Reviewers." Yeah, don't watch that one with your girlfriend in the- - I was gonna say, okay, what point does it go from anime to hentai? - Well, that's- - What is the line? What is the line? - That's a very philosophical question. - That line has been blurred every single year. - 'Cause there's gotta be some like R18 animes that like maybe show titties or something.

- I mean, the one where they review brothels, there's literally just a sex scene in it where one of them sleep with one of the girls in the brothel. And it's just, it's all there. It's fully present. And it goes on for like five minutes or something. So we don't actually know what the line between hentai- - That's like an interesting thought. - I feel like they're constantly pushing that line further and further further to the point where it's like, oh, it's, I don't even know what it is anymore. - Is it tentacle or no tentacle? Is that the line for? - Well, it's like,

- I don't know anything. I'm ignorant with that. Is that just a meme? I have no idea. - No, no, 'cause there's a lot of anime and a lot of hentai that uses tentacles, but like it's the difference between like how it is,

I guess utilized. - Okay. - Right, 'cause it's like, there's a lot of like very innocent scenes that use tentacles, but like it's the implication of, it might be construed as something sexual, but it's not adherently sexual. - 'Cause that's my ignorance to unfortunately this like whole sort of like, I guess, communities. I've never really partook, so I only see the memes. - Yeah, for sure.

- I mean, it definitely exists. There's a lot of it. - I've got some stuff to watch now. - You should watch JoJo's Bizarre Adventure as well. You ever heard of that one? - No. - Oh, you'd probably like that. - You'd like JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. - It's like a whole world that I've just... It was always one of those things I never wanted to give up to my friends. That like, they always asked me to watch anime. I was like, this is one of those things where I'm putting a line in the sand. Just 'cause like, fuck you, you're asking too much. - I'm not watching your anime. - It's like a personality trait. I don't watch anime. - You're like him. - Have you watched Arcane?

- I don't know what that is. - I don't know what the fuck that is. - What is it? - Arcane, it was the League of Legends. - Oh, fucking League of Legends, God. - You don't like League of Legends? - I never played League of Legends. I played one game of Dota and I was like, this shit's stupid. - Well, yeah, I agree. - But what's the difference? They're MOBAs. - Big difference, big difference. - Yeah, no, but I'm still, I'm very much in the same like field as you, Lan, where it's like, if people around me are continuously like shoving it down my throat, being like, watch it, watch it, watch it, it just makes me not want to play.

want to watch it yeah yeah no definitely I hate it but I look after watching Attack on Titan I got good I watched that in like the space of like four or five days or something so I just went through it all that was a lot of episodes that's like Attack on like four seasons of Attack on Titan I was grinding bro

It was definitely within a week, man. I guarantee you. Yeah. I actually do recommend Death Note. You won't go to bed. I'm excited. For like the starter anime, Chainsaw Man. If Chainsaw Man is only 12 episodes, that's an easy one. Oh yeah. You'll fly by that. I think the reason why Death Note is such a good starter anime is because right out of the gate, it's just fucking intense. No, like you get hooked within the first two episodes. That's important. I don't like shit that takes me like a whole season or something. Yeah. That's kind of like, yeah, they'll fix the fucking.

- So you might've mentioned it in there, but what's your favorite anime? So is this like a debatable topic that like gets heated here or like? - Not really, just because we watched so many that like my favorite anime changes all the fucking time. - That's fair, I like that mentality. - You know, it's kind of like asking what your favorite game is and I'm like, well, I have- - You can say some of your favorites. - That's fair, that's fair. Or is it in that watch list already? - Yeah, I can't even- - Or is it the brothel one?

- Hey, there's no job, man. - Hey, man. - Safe place here, man. - Yeah. - They can edit it out, don't worry. - I mean, I'd say like the one that I usually say to anyone who has asked that question is probably like "Fully Cooly" 'cause that's like, that's also a good show I think to watch because it's like, it's wild as hell and it's only six episodes and it is just intense from start to finish but something completely unique as well. - I like that, I like that. - Yeah, I feel like,

- That was the one thing, even just on "Attack on Titan" felt like a story that they aren't gonna tell in some other sort of medium. - Yeah. - Even just like, you can't make that. I think they did try to make a live action attack on Titan. - Oh yeah, it was torture. - I heard it. I saw someone's like a clip of it on TikTok. Someone saying this is the worst thing ever. - Fuck, I love "Hunter x Hunter". "Hunter x Hunter" is great.

- I think the animation is great. - I got a pitch. I don't recommend you watch this immediately, but maybe, maybe. - Okay, I'm excited now. - No, don't say it. - Oh, this has got me more excited. What's going on here? - So fate. - Fate. - No. - Fate. - Don't. - I got my Crunchyroll subscription. I can watch all this stuff. - Yeah, specifically Fate/Zero. - Okay. - So, it's a battle royale, so.

It is. Tell me it's not a battle royale. It's 100% a battle royale. It is a battle royale anime where a bunch of wizards and mages, they summon...

like a legendary hero from history to fight for them. - That's sick. I love that. Like got like Genghis Khan or like- - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know, you use the people summon like King Arthur. - That's fucking mad. - King Arthur is an anime waifu in this one. - Anime waifu? - King Arthur is a girl in this one. - King Arthur, Alexander the Great.

That's the first book I ever read was about Alexander the Great. So a bunch of like legendary heroes from history and they just fucking battle it out. And it's a mix between like action and just mind games as well. Because everyone's like playing chess with each other, trying to like,

trying to knock each other out without- - It just sounds so much better than it is. - No, okay, to be fair- - No, that sounds fucking awesome. - No, to be fair, "Fate/Zero" is fucking fantastic. - It is a good show. - Yeah, yeah, it is a good show. - But the reason why I was screaming no is because the problem is that after you watch "Fate/Zero", there's a whole other bunch of series and spinoffs, and it becomes one of the most complicated fictional universes. - Oh, okay. - Let's not say any, let's just leave it there. - So you watch "Fate/Zero" and just leave it at that?

- You can, yeah, yeah, for sure. - But would I want to after watching it? - That's the problem. If you get too into it, then you'll be like, well, what else is there? - Fates Stay Nights, pretty good. - Yeah, I'd say, well, yeah. I'd say like if you just watch Fates Zero and Unlimited Blade Works, you could probably understand like 90% of the world. - Yeah, Unlimited Blade Works is good. - But like if you wanna feel the remaining 10%, then you have to watch like all these other like spinoff shows and sequels and prequels and it gets way too complicated. - There's a lot of really dark shows as well. I don't know, do you like more serious shows?

Probably not really. I don't like to feel things. I like to go brain dead and just be like, damn, that's fucking sick. Dude, it is unreal. That stuff is actually so true, though. Like, I will watch something so much more if there's a guy jumping through a Minecraft maze. The fact that, like, podcast clips are so boring now that you have to have a fucking subway surfer thing at the bottom, just otherwise I can't watch it. Yeah, it's kind of weird.

- It's 15 seconds of my life, but I need something else to entertain me at the same time. - When did that become like a meta for like TikToks? - I don't know, but I did, it was weird. I did a video and someone re-uploaded the entire thing to TikTok, which I don't care about, fuck it. - Yeah, yeah. - Free views. But they put Rocket League highlights below it and it got 20 million views on TikTok.

- Jesus. - More than it got on YouTube, it just rocket leaked clips below it. - That's so weird. - That's a fucking scam. - I saw this one like YouTube show and it was just like a random podcast clip or something that I didn't really give a shit about. But what was so distracting

was there was this like mobile game being played at the bottom where you had to like collect coins or something. - Subway Surfer. - It was like the shittest player of all time. He kept missing every fucking gem. And I was like, - That's how he got you engaged. - I was like fucking, and I went to like the comments and everyone was just like, I cannot stop. Like I cannot not notice how shit this person is at the game. - Dude that worked. He turned a boring ass video into a banger.

- Where does it end though? Like where does that stop? How many layers are they gonna get to? - It's just gonna be like, "Aah!" And like everything will like fucking- - Screaming at you like bells going off the whole time. - It's so weird 'cause whenever I see like that video where it's just like a podcast or a clip by itself just isn't enough anymore. We need something to like distract the brain. - Yeah, it's like how they had to add flashy subtitles to everything which slowly became Japanese TV.

- What do you mean flashy subtitles? You mean like- - Well before when you had clips to podcasts, they wouldn't fucking subtitle every goddamn word they say. - Yeah. - But now it's like every single- - Every word is just flashed on the screen. - They change colors when they speak. There's like little icons that pop up. There's like constantly- - That's literally what we do. - Yeah. - We do that for trash days. - We reveal all the secrets on how to get views right here. - I feel like at this point we're just kind of like hacking the brain or something. - Well yeah, because like,

There's a standard for subtitles already built. It's actually the most easy to read and legible. And obviously, YouTube just throws it out the window because you're like, well, that's not fucking fast enough.

- No, no, no, no. - I don't fucking read it. I just do one word at a time. Pop up blue animation, go. - I find it interesting 'cause I know MrBeast uses different subtitles for TikTok as he does on YouTube. It's like different energies on different platform. Like TikTok kind of rejects the hyper produced like way that YouTube shorts work. They're very much like condensed original YouTube video. I say original. - Yeah.

actual trying to tell some story or whatever. And it's a little bit more manufactured. It's a little bit more of like a set narrative set thing. Whereas TikTok is meant to be more organic. It's people dueting each other. It's people talking to a camera. You don't really see that as much on YouTube shorts, but it's literally to the level of like psychologically changing the text and

just so it comes off with a diff, like trying less hard. - Weird, yeah. - That's like fucking nuts. 'Cause it obviously makes a big difference, otherwise you wouldn't do it. - Right, yeah. - Yeah. - This is the new age. Oh, analyze this TikTok video. Why is the subtitle this color? - But genuinely, it's crazy. - Yeah, we're getting to that point where everyone is making micro adjustments to try and find the perfect thing to hack your brain at that time. - Yeah. - Especially on YouTube Shorts 'cause everyone's making the same video. Like everyone's just doing the same like just,

screaming at you. A lot of it's fake. A lot of it's just complete, just garbage, but it just hooks you. Even if you, I watch a YouTube short all the way through. I'm like, I hated that. Why did I watch that? That was awful, but I gave him watch time. - Do you also get recommended like YouTube shorts that have like no views and it's just like a kid?

- Oh yeah. - It's like, this is my wall. And it's like zero life. - You say that on TikTok all the time. - I'm like, what the fuck, why are you recommending this shit to me? - I guess I gotta give everyone a chance, right? - Yeah, it's weird 'cause I feel like that's the algorithm trying to do something. But like normally you can tell within, I feel like with like YouTube shows- - Why am I the test dummy? - Sorry? - Why am I the fucking test dummy for people?

- I feel like everyone's the test dummy. I mean, a video has to have zero views at one point, right? - That's true. - But yeah, I feel like you can tell when a video's not, like I can like subconsciously tell within like, I say like 0.5 seconds when like a video is being recommended to me that has no views at all. - Oh yeah. - Yeah. - You can just tell. - It's just the TikTok algorithm just kind of being like, I know you liked all these videos, but what about this?

- Something in the left field. - Yeah. - Something completely different. - Have you been recommended a lot of like, just out of context, like scenes from movies and TV shows? - Yeah, man. - I fucking watch them. - Every Family Guy episode, every South Park episode, it's all on TikTok. - I think I've rewatched the entire John Wick trilogy through clips out of order. - That's the same thing. You rewatch the same thing. - I love it. - The amount of times I've watched the same podcast clips of like Theo Von just saying something stupid.

Just because they'll just send me the same one every time. Yeah. I think I've never seen Peaky Blinders, but I feel like I could recite basically every major thing that's happened. Yeah, I feel like I could perfectly replicate a Joe Rogan episode just based off weird fucking clips with his guests where they go like, in the Amazon forest, there is a tribe.

- The pyramids. - The spiritual energy of the river, it actually makes them giga chats. And it's just like, what am I listening to? - Have you seen the deep fake/AI of Joe Rogan clips where they are fully talking and the guest is fully talking, their mouths are fully moving, it sounds identical to them, but they're advertising some product. - Yeah. - It's completely fucking fake. - Oh, when they were trying to scam people to buy stuff? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Well, it's just, yeah, it's fully fake. They're just like trying to, oh. - It's crazy. - They act like they're advertising this like,

- It could be like anything. - Like a body supplement or something. - Usually it's supplements, but, and obviously they do usually advertise like supplements or some sort of thing, but like completely fake ones. - Yeah, it's kind of scary. - Completely fake ads. - I watched Joe Rogan explaining Bionicle and that was good. But knowing that it could be used for,

knowing that it could be used for nefarious reasons. - Do they even sell Bionicles anymore? - No, no, it was like him explaining Bionicles to Jordan Peterson or something. And it was really funny 'cause I just thought that they were going deep in depth into Bionicle law. And I just, for some reason I found that funny. - I guess they're like, these podcasts are long, right? - So fucking long. - I mean, they gotta go down some fucking rabbit holes. - Of course, yeah. - I think when I used to mow lawns, my first job out of school, I would listen to podcasts all the time. I think I listened to,

- Surely at some point I listened to a Joe Rogan one, but yeah, like a decade ago. - Yeah, I mean like, I feel like his clips are inescapable, especially, I don't know why it's specifically his clips whenever there's some kind of fucking- - Because he gets outrageous guests. - No, it's when it's like, there's always some kind of fucking conspiracy going on. - The pyramids, man. Like there's no tools that they could-

- Who'd have had to build them, man? And did you know, if you measure the base of the thickness of the pyramids, it's the actual circumference of the earth to within like micro percent degree. - My favorite one is always like, so there's always been writings about the ancient city of Atlantis that was lost through time. And every, every,

every civilization talked about this and it disappeared all at the same time, even though there's no kind of like evidence or whatever. Like how many conspiracy theories can we go through? - That one's interesting though. The Atlantis one's interesting. - You've been to Atlantis? - Well, it's like Sahara in Africa or something. Nah, nah, nah, nah. - Where's the counterpart? - There's large like chunks of desert that used to be lush forests, you know, lots of tropical water, all that sort of stuff.

It's just all slowly been eroded and buried by the sand. Where'd all the water go? You'd never be able to, you'd never, evaporation, bro. Where'd all the water go that's like was in heaps of other places? Like there used to be like, Australia was underwater or something. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. But no, I don't know. I'm just saying, like, have they checked all the sand? I don't know. Have they gone through with a metal detector and seen if they found Atlantis? I don't know, man. Do you know my favorite conspiracy theory?

- Australia isn't real. - Yes, we were discussing this. I got in internet fights with the kid that kept saying that. He's so funny. - What happened? - No, he just says that when you fly to Australia, you're actually getting drugged and dropped off in New Zealand.

And it's just funny when you actually are in it. I mean, we might not actually be in Australia. I actually had to think about it for a second. We all are in Australia. Yeah. I'm not some overseas. I love how, I love how there's the narrative of like, Oh yeah, this giant Island continent is not real. It's definitely real. Yeah. We're all actors. Yeah. Um,

So did you make a video like calling him out? Well, these are back in my reaction days. This was like six years ago. Right. Are you reacting to him? We had a little beef. Yeah, no. Because he was just chatting so much dumb shit. I was just going through all his videos. He was just trying to bait for attention. He was just making all these videos just waffling on about all sorts of random shit. I think he still does to this day. And honestly, hopefully he's doing all right. But you see people every now and then just pick back up on it. Like I think.

Yeah, there's been a few channels that have made full dedicated videos to him, even in recent times, because he just pops up on TikTok and just chats and shit.

- If anyone just talks a lot of shit, you'll eventually get noticed. - Say something controversial, have an extreme opinion and share it with as many people as possible. That's how you make money. - That's true. - Was he memeing or was he like- - He's got it. - He'd have to be. - He's just very dedicated. - But it is impressive to see someone commit to a character that hard. - Yeah, it's like, I don't know. I would think out of context that flat earthers are a meme, but obviously they're like a real thing, right? - Or are they?

that's a conspiracy that is a whole thing um

- Yeah, no, I hope he was memeing. - Yeah, sometimes you don't know it's like, is this guy a character or is he actually just crazy? I can never tell with the internet anymore. - We've got some of the flat earthers, there's like some intelligent flat earthers. - That's the thing, right? That's the thing. - And they like proved, they kept accidentally proving that the earth was round, but they were like intelligent enough to be able to set up all these experiments to prove that the earth was round. - Yeah. - It's funny. - It's yeah, I have no idea. - Smart people can be dumb. - Yeah.

- Definitely. - Yeah. - Very much so. That's why we watch anime. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. Did we ever recommend another, what the starter anime were? I feel like we got on- - I mean, I definitely got a list. - Do you want fights? Do you want superpowers? Do you want fights? - I love a good like,

Someone described Attack on Titan to me. I think they were saying like Game of Thrones in a way in the sense of like- Everyone says that. Is it really? Oh, because I guess like the scope of things. I'm not really sure like the actual correlation, but I guess maybe the scope- It's very political. Oh yeah, I suppose that part. Yeah, that's actually very true. So I love like a good story in that regard. Okay, a good story. I love good world building. Okay. I love that shit. What about like Trigon Stampede?

- You reckon that'd be a good starter or? - Probably not starter anime. - It's "Aound Hunter" but it is 140 episodes, but it is good. - That's, I look, it could be a slow burner, I slowly get through, but. - It is good. - If you want something that hits fast and is just very, very easy to get through, "One Punch Man." - Oh, "One Punch Man." - Oh yeah. - That is so good. - Okay, okay. - It's basically about a superhero who trains so fucking hard where he can kill everything with one punch. - I think I've played a Roblox game before.

I played this one I think I actually have okay is it always that you should watch the subtitled version or is there sometimes that you think you should watch sometimes the dubs are actually better than the Japanese version okay interesting because I feel like it's a

sacrilegious thing to say. - No, no, no, no. - Maybe like 10 years ago. - It's 'cause there are, a while back, there was a lot of subs, sorry, a lot of English dub versions, which just weren't that great. - Okay. - Yeah. - But there are a lot that are pretty decent. And I think we've gotten to this point now where no one fucking cares and just watch whatever works for you. - Yeah. - Yeah. - If you wanna watch a show that has, I think, is better experience in English,

"Barkano" is incredible. It's kind of like a Quentin Tarantino movie. - Interesting. - You might also like "Vinland Saga." - 'Cause there was something interesting about subtitles. I found I actually had to pay way more attention to what I was watching. - Yeah, you don't. - Instead of just like drifting off on your own or something. - God forbid. - Yeah, you have to really just keep your head. - The subway surfer bullshit at the bottom is the same thing as when you're sitting there watching a show and you're like, "Oh, I got Twitter alert."

- You can't do that way. - You have to actually be honed in. - You should prop up Subway Surfer under your TV. - I saw a TikTok of someone who set up their whole house. It was like two TVs above each other just to obviously make fun of them. - Yeah, I saw someone doing like a presentation and then they were like, wait, hold on. And then they held up Subway Surfer and carried it.

- We're fucking doomed. - We are doomed. - We need to do that with anime. Just have a full season of fucking attack on Titan, except it's just cropped. And just like the bottom half is just subways. - We are doomed as a people, bro. - We certainly are. But hopefully you have some new anime that you can watch as well. - Yes. - Yeah. - Oh, when the world's ending. - You can always hit us up. You'd be like, what's the next? What's the recommendation? - Oh, I will. I will. I mean, it sounds like I'm gonna have a little bit to get through.

get through yeah do you travel do you travel often last year I definitely did pretty much lived in England for like three months I'm so sorry hey I love it I love it why does every Aussie love England I wouldn't want to maybe live there forever but yeah London's fun yeah no London was really cool um

I'd never been to Europe or like anywhere with like really old buildings before, you know? So you're like, whoa. Yeah, I was like, fuck, this is sick. I also just, yeah, I don't know. It's just very different energy. I kind of liked the cold as well. So it was really cold when I first went there. I was doing content there, which was great. Not for myself, but.

- It's nice to get to travel and do content, but also have like off days where you kind of like get to do fun stuff. - Oh yeah. - It feels like you're in a place with a purpose and I really enjoy that. - Especially 'cause it was like, we got locked down here for like two years, couldn't travel. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I heard the lockdown here was like insane. - Not to make it seem like it's the end of the world, it's a good place to be, but yeah.

You know, when we could travel again, it was... It was rough, yeah. I did a lot of it. I did a lot of it. Yeah. Would you ever think about coming to Japan? I've been there once. Really? You've been there once? Yes, I've been there once and I went straight to Niseko and snowboarded for like five days. Oh, I haven't. I haven't Australian- I know. That's what I wanted to say. Because I know, obviously, you guys have a lot of experience in Japan. And I'm like...

I've been there but I have not experienced the culture I think I landed in Tokyo went to the airport hotel and then went straight to like Niseko or something like that Niseko in the on season is just Australian it was everyone was just speaking like in an Aussie accent English to me everyone wanted

This is very helpful, but I'm not getting any cultural experience here. When you come to Tokyo, hit us up. I would love to. Pretty much everyone I'm friends with right now is like, even separate friend groups is like, oh, we're thinking about Japan this year. I'm thinking about Japan this year. I'd love to. I mean, we're also down to going to Nisico to fucking watch some snow as well. I definitely think I've got to get back there. That was the best experience of my life. It's funny. We had an episode where we talked about who we think the worst tourists are in the world. And Joey's like, Aussies when they go skiing.

But I don't ski, I snowboard. We don't like them. I promise it's different. Anything you want to shout out? Nothing too in particular. You can watch my YouTube videos, Laserbeam. And if you're ever buying V-Bucks or...

- Or Robux, just saying use that. - In Japan they sell V-Bucks just in the convenience store. - Oh, of course. Then tell this cashier this. I don't know what that is in Japanese. - Kodoreza. - Well that's it because I did, sorry, off topic, but I did year eight Japanese and my Japanese teacher literally said, "Speak English."

- Oh yeah. - You have to. - 'Cause it's like, they don't have L's. And that's once again, I could be massively ignorant. - No, no, no, you're right. - I always feel bad when I'm like. - So you'd say like, oh, I'm Razorbeam. - Yeah, that's what I'm like. - Where am I being?

- No, no, actually. - It sounds racist. - If you ever go to Japan, they'll like, if you don't know a word, you say it in that accent and you might think, oh shit, am I being racist? But it makes it easier to understand. - 'Cause I'm trying not to be ignorant. - You go to like McDonald's, right? It's like a big market. - It's like, oh, I want a milk tea. You're just a milk tea.

- It sounds like a meme. - This is not a trap. - I'm gonna get bashed. - Watching a Japanese person saying light and right is the funniest thing in the world. - Really? - Because they can't say it. - Oh God. Yeah, let's make fun of people's accents.

- Wow, I found out a lot about you guys. - Thanks for coming on, man. - Nah, nah, yeah. - Thanks so much for coming on. - Thank you for giving us the time. - Thanks, thanks for having me. - Trusting anime weebs. - Yeah, yeah. - Now's a good time. - Hey, look at all these patrons though. - Ooh. - I bet they use Code Laser. - Yes, all of them. - When they're buying. - Oh, they now will.

after getting to know me look how many there are but hey if you'd like to support the show go to our Patreon patreon.com slash Trash Taste also follow us on Twitter send us your memes on the subreddit and if you hate our face listen to us on Spotify and yeah thanks Landon for coming on thanks so much man awesome thank you bye have a good one bye

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