WE HAVE NO ENEMIES | Trash Taste #161
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- Paid for by the US Department of Health and Human Services. - At least they're not named after a dictator like me. - We gotta Google it. No way, okay, dictator. - If you look up famous Josephs in the world. - Is Gaunt, Gaunt name origin, I don't understand. It sounds wild as fuck. - It's gonna say, did you mean Grant? - Yeah. - It's gonna say, did you mean Grant? - Okay, the first thing that comes up is why Gaunt? - Why Gaunt, why? - Get your real name explained. Okay.

- It's a nickname, okay. All right, well, let's- - What does the name Gant mean? - Let's have a look. It's like- - Well, it's- - No one knows. - Well, it's a Thai name and it's not pronounced- - It uses a minute Oregon, 67% Thai, 30% Filipino. - No way. - Oh, Southeast Asia. - Alternative meaning.

- Garn is an acronym for grand, for the life that you'll live. A for accepting your forgiving nature. R for romp, you know how to have fun. RN for nurturing the care you provide to all. T for treat, you always are. - You're a real treat. - Well, I just thought Garn just sounds, it sounds so incredibly white. I just thought it was a white name. - I think, do you know, okay, would it still,

- Classic white people. - Okay, okay. - Wait, have we started? - Yeah, we've started at this point. - Okay, recording, recording. Okay. Hello, welcome to Trash Taste. You got some pre-talk there, I guess. - Is Garnt a white name? - Is Garnt a white name? - It sounds white. Like you gotta admit, it sounds white. - Would you, would it's, I wouldn't argue.

- One of the whitest men on earth is named Grant. Hugh Grant, that sounds white as fuck. - But that's Grant and not Garnt. - It's like one letter different, you know what I mean? - And the fact that it's pronounced like Grant, Garnt, it's a different pronunciation. Would it still sound white if I remove the T?

- No, you sound like a Final Fantasy character. - So interesting fact. So my name isn't actually like Garnt. - Oh my God. - It's actually Grant. We figured it out. - Yeah, so the Thai pronunciation of my name is Garnt. So the reason there's a T at the end is because I'm a Thai.

when translating like the Thai alphabet to English alphabet, the T in Gaunt is technically a silent T. So my parents included that. My parents did a direct translation instead of a phonetic translation for my name when translating my, like when spelling it out in English. So the T is meant to be silent, but of course, you can't really explain that.

- Your name would have been really different if you were called Garn. - That would have changed everything. - This would have been a different podcast. - Hello, my name is Garn. - Joey Connery Garn. - But now that I say it, it's just something sounds wrong. The T just like, the T closes it. - You need a hard T at the end of that, Garn. - Need a hard T, but yes, hello, welcome to this episode of Trash Taste. I'm your host for today, Garn.

- Gone with me are the two whitest named boys, except Joey of course isn't white. I'm sorry, Joey. - He's a white name. - I'm half white. - You're half white. - He's got a white name though. - Joseph is a white name. - That would have been another different podcast if my name was Joseph. - Gone Connor and Joseph.

- But yes, can I start with the rant? - Oh God. - With a good old fashioned rant. - Sure, go for it. - A good old fashioned tangented rant that has nothing to do with what we were talking about, but this has been on my mind for like the past week. - Okay, wow, you've been really stewing this over. - Yeah, I have because I think I've had enough.

- I fucking despise Cards Against Humanities. And I don't know if I've talked about this before. Maybe I have mentioned this, but I think I've reached a breaking point where I can't take this anymore. - No one plays that anymore.

- You'd be surprised because- - What triggered this? Did you play it recently? - Yes. - When? - Okay, okay. For the record, I've always hated "Cards Against Humanities." I think the only time I've ever had fun with it was like maybe- - Isn't it just humanity? - I think it's humanity. - Okay. - There's only one humanity. - Which humanity? - Not enough humanity in my- - He's from a different planet. - Yeah, is it "Cards Against Humanity?" - Yeah, it's just humanities. - Or humanities, okay. - I don't know, I made videos on it. - Okay, okay.

- I think the only time I've ever had fun with it was like the very first time I played it. And then every time afterwards, I've grown to like hate it more and more. It went from like just a disdain to like every fucking, okay, number one, for some reason,

- Why is it the only times I ever played, I get to play Cards Against Humanity is like anime conventions. Cards Against Humanity for the longest time for me was like the anime convention game. - Well, 'cause it's for like wannabe like kind of edgelords.

- It makes sense. It's for people who want to be funny, but can't think of their own punchlines. - Yeah, but then there's also like the online of the blank cards, right? So it was always just about being edgy. And like who could make the edgiest joke that was fun. - Do you wanna win with a blank card? Just put in any like horrible slur and you'll most likely win. It's like, that's comedy. - See, that's not what I don't even like about it because, okay, this is every,

like this is every interaction I've had with cars against humanity. I'm at a party or something or a gathering with some cool friends that I very much vibe with. We are on a vibe, we're talking shit, we're making jokes. I'm having a good time. And then someone fucking pulls out cars against humanities. I keep saying humanities. Someone,

someone pulls out Cards Against Humanity because apparently we just weren't having enough fun just vibing together and making jokes naturally. And they're like- - I'm impressed they managed to get everyone to be like, "Yeah, let's do it." - But here's the thing, right? Here's the thing. Everyone, I seem like I've always thought I'm the fucking crazy one here. I think- - It's like Garnt's Joker speech. - I was crazy. I didn't want to play the card games.

I always thought I was the crazy one 'cause everyone would be like, okay, yeah, I'm down for "Cars Against Humanity." And I thought I was the only one that was like, I am not- - You told me it was a humanity, why? And I said, no. - I am not against "Cars Against Humanity." And the thing is- - I'm just against humanity. - Yeah, I'm just against humanity. This is my villain origin story. If someone pulls out another game of "Cars Against Humanity" while I'm vibing, I am literally gonna go on like a full on Joker rant.

and just start my villain arc, right? Because it's just like, they pull it out and I've never encountered a situation where everyone goes, where someone just goes, "No, I'm not in the mood." Right? 'Cause I've said before, I'm not in the mood and I'm the only motherfucker who says that. And you know, I say that, but everyone else starts playing. So I'm like, well,

I don't want to be, I have to play 'cause I don't want to be left out in the corner by myself being alone or whatever. So for the next like hour or two hours, I have to sit there and pretend that I'm having fun as much fun as everyone else because I have to pretend that all of these jokes that are being laid out in front of me are as funny as everyone else is apparently finding it 'cause people are laughing

And I'm like, am I fucking crazy? Is this just not funny? - I think the problem with Cards Against Humanity is that like the, especially a lot of the jokes written on it and like the punchlines and stuff like that haven't aged tremendously well. They're very much like, you know, 2010s humor, which is crazy to say. - It was a lot more fun when you,

'cause you could just make your own custom decks. - Yeah. - And you can make it updated 'cause the base deck is so bad. - The base deck is so boring. - And also like, you know, this was popular in like 2012, like 10 years ago. This game is definitely not aged well. - Here's the thing. You can make the argument that he hasn't aged well as well, right? But,

I have the same emotions and feelings towards Jackbox. And it's specifically Quiplash, which I think is- - I was gonna say some of the Jackbox games- - The trivia ones are really good. - The trivia ones are good. I like the trivia ones, but as soon as Quiplash comes on- - Which one's Quiplash again?

- It's the word association game. - Oh, I hate that one. - The feeling like you, it's basically cards against humanity, but you fill in the blanks yourself. - It sucks that they bring it back every single fucking jackpot as well. - And you think it would be funny until you realize, until someone realizes, right? Here's what I hate about it. Because once you play it once, you figure out,

what the rules of the game are, right? And if there's one thing that is not funny to me, it's when humor just feels constructed and unnatural, right? Because that's exactly what Cards Against Humanity and now Quiplash has always felt to me because even though you can put anything in Quiplash, when that one mate realizes all you need to do is to put that in there

that's the group know about. Everyone starts putting that in. And then that's like, all it takes is just one of those answers where everyone's like, "Ha ha, you referred to that one time we all did this stupid thing or that person did that stupid thing.

Once that answer gets put down, that ruins the entire game of "Quip Lash" 'cause every answer is that answer now. - And if it doesn't come up, then it's usually like the fucking stupidest pee pee poo poo jokes. - I like the presentation ones too you have to do in-

You have to present something. I always liked those as well. The patently stupid one. - Yeah. - You can make a patent. - Yeah. - Oh yeah. - That one's good. Yeah, I like some of the games, but yeah, "Quick Flash" is kind of, is the one I don't really ever want to play. - Yeah, 'cause like it's just to me, that's "Cards Against Humanity 2.0." And I feel there are so many clones of that game too. Like everywhere. I remember like I was at a friend's place and they brought out this card game. It's called "That's What She Said."

And it literally is exactly the same as Cards Against Humanity, except all of the punchlines are your mom jokes. And I'm like, I was blown away. I was like, you've somehow managed to make a Cards Against Humanity clone that's even less funny than Cards Against Humanity. It was hell. It was the worst 30 minutes of my life. - This episode is sponsored by ExpressVPN. Going online without ExpressVPN is like not having a case on your phone.

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But if there's one way to make someone unfunny, it's by playing cars against humanity. Because there is a lot of points where, you know, I'm hanging out with a funny person, you know, or, you know, we're cracking jokes. And then as soon as cars against humanity comes up, that just like completely nerfs the interaction, right? And I don't know, it's, I always feel like,

Every time he gets put out, I'm that guy who just hates fun. I'm like, am I the crazy one here? Because I've wanted to rant about this for so long 'cause I've always felt like,

- Am I just the one old granddad who just hates watching people have fun? - Well, no, because you can have fun in other ways. - Hold on, hold on. There's a difference between hating someone having fun and just stepping out. - And just hating a card game. - Like, "Hey, I'm good on this one. You guys play without me." I don't get pissed. I'm not like, "You fucking assholes." I said, "No, why are you having fun without me?"

I'm like, how you've, I'm like, how fucking dare you have fun at this card game? This is all you're having fun at? - We could have had any other card game except this one. - Pathetic. - It is like the worst card game. I feel like there's like solitaire is better.

- Yeah. - I think I'd rather play Solitaire. - Actually, 'cause you know the good thing is at least you can banter in Solitaire. You can't really banter in like, "Cards Against Humanity" is on paper a game you should be able to banter about, but it's all just the equivalent of laughing at pee-pee poo-poo jokes in my mind. And just like a bit more sophisticated pee-pee poo-poo jokes. - Also, the worst is when you make an energy joke, 'cause I was like, "Wow, that's too far."

I was like, what do you mean? Like half these cards are like the worst shit. - Well there's the other ones where it's like, you know, there could be a white card down and you're sifting through all of yours. And then you find one, you just start bursting out laughing. That creates an expectation. And then when your card gets read and no one laughs,

- It made so many awkward moments because you can't be the only one to laugh 'cause then you'll know that's your card, right? - Or that moment where there's like, I've played games where there's moments where I'm just like, I think I've put down a banger, right? I think I've put down the fucking banger. - And they picked the worst option. - And then they picked the worst fucking option.

- I hate this game on so many different levels. And just, yeah, I was in a,

I was in a situation recently when someone like just took it out again and I'm like, maybe it's changed. It's been years. It's been years since I played "Killers Against Humanity." - No, it wouldn't change. - It's been years. And I played one game. I played like two hands and I'm like,

I'm done. This is my breaking point. Never again. But yeah, I don't know if it's specifically Cards Against Humanity or if I just have an aversion to board games. I don't have like so much an aversion to board games.

I just realized that a lot of the times if there's an option to, let's say you hang out with a group of friends, if there's an option just to like vibe with each other or an option to do something active, like play a game, I would always at a party, like a physical party, like choose just like vibing. And I don't know if that's just a me thing or my brain thing, 'cause I do genuinely have fun playing board games. It's the idea of,

like ruining the, let's say ruining the, not the momentum, but like the kind of like the- - But the board game's kind of in the way, right? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The board game's in the way. We have fun, but it's like a different kind of fun, you know? And I don't know, maybe it's just a me thing because if there's a specific board game night, I'm always down because like there's a, let's say there's a,

you're gonna go to this, it's like going to a D&D session, right? There's an expectation that you're gonna go to this and you can sit down and you can play a board game. And I'm like, okay, I can mentally prepare for that. But if we're just at a social gathering, like a party and someone brings out a kind of game, I'm like, this is just socializing on training wheels. I would rather just socialize with my mates.

- See, you can say that because you're a social master Garnt. - I'm not a social master. - Well more of a master than the motherfucker who pulls out cars against humanity, that's for sure. - I feel like it's like an icebreaker for some people. It's like how you kind of get rid of that tension in the air.

- Yeah, I agree with you. I don't know. - Oh wow. - Something all three of us can finally agree on. - It's kinda hard to just say that out loud. - I saw you fighting internally. - I agree. - Agree.

- Surprise yourself with that one. - That was not a hot take. You were like, something that came out 10 years ago? Not funny now. Wait, when did it come out? It came out like longer than 10 years ago. I only ever played the online version. - The online version I think came out in like 2010, 2009, something like that maybe? - Cards Against Humanity release date.

- 2011. - 2011. - Yeah, that makes sense. - It's a 12 year old game. And the humor has not aged since then. - Why is this the top question? - What's the top question? - Is Cards Against Humanity okay for 13 year olds?

And apparently it's appropriate for all humans age eight and up. - Eight and up? - Excuse me? - I distinctly remember, and I feel like it's burning my mind. It's like the fucking black tar heroin card. I don't know why. - What? - It's just this really unfunny card that I used to always get when I played it. And it was like black tar heroin was one of the prompts. And I was like, this is just not funny. - One that I always remember is SpongeBob's nut sack.

And I'm like, when was this ever funny? - I mean, there's just some random ones that were obviously there for filler. Like I remember getting a card that was just bees. Like what can I do with this? - There's also bees like with a question mark as well. That always comes up and I'm like, when would I use this? - How can I ever use this card? - Oh no, one card I always remember which was actually funny was getting gang banged by the blue man group.

- I always thought that was kind of funny. - You're that motherfucker Joey. You are that motherfucker. - That isn't funny. I'm laughing at the fact that you thought that's funny. - When I was 18, I thought that was funny. That one lives right in front of my head. - Oh my God, Joey, God damn it. - I agree though. I feel like we've,

- Maybe it's like kind of our age or the fact that we've had, we've been in so many social situations that we just kind of want to chill. But like, yeah, I don't have a problem with people like kind of bringing up like board games or card games and stuff like that during a hangout. But I'm like,

- Yeah, I just feel like it's just in the way, like it's unnecessary. - No, I don't mind. It just depends on if the game is shit or not. - Right, but even if the game is fun, I'm just like, well, but like I was having fun just talking to you guys, you know, I was just having fun like drinking, chatting and chilling. And I thought that's the kind of vibe we're going for. Like, you know, if someone pulls out Monopoly, I'm not gonna be like, fuck no. - I am going to be like, fuck no. - I will not, 'cause I get super competitive in that game.

I'm like, I'm buying out all the streets. But like, you know, if yeah, if there's a night where it's just like, you're just hanging out, chilling, drinking and that's how it starts and that's how it ends, then I think I prefer that over any other type of like event happening, you know? - I feel like to me, if you're gonna pull something out like that, like the simpler, the better for me. Like, I don't know, there's- - Like Uno or something, right? - Uno's- - I like Uno.

- I do not like Uno. - What the fuck's wrong with you? - You don't like Uno. We did it on After Dark and you're having fun. - Who doesn't like Uno? - Okay, Uno's like fun for like the first five minutes and then you have that game that runs on for like way too fucking long and you're just like, can this just end? - Skill issue. - It's not a skill issue. - Sounds like you're an amateur. I don't know how to say it. - Yeah, I mean, it's, yeah, like I said, you have that game that runs on, I mean, it happened in the fucking After Dark stream where we had that game that ran for like 40 minutes or some shit. - Yeah, but that was funny.

- You guys were having fun with that? - I was like, my mind is melting right now. I feel like only- - Too many numbers and colors. What do I do? - I feel like I needed to use more neurons in my brains. - You played DOS?

- I have, yes. "Mos Dos", the sequel to Uno. - It's so good they made a second one. - Is that a joke? - No, it's an actual game. - It's real. - It's real. - This is a shit post I'm hearing right now. - It's real, it's a real game you can play. - What are the rules of the game? - I don't know, I haven't played it. - I don't know, I was really drunk when I played it. It's basically just like Uno, I think, except like the numbers are different. - You have to say it.

- Yeah, you get rid of like two cards at a time or something? - I don't know. - Let's see, DOS card game. - I just remember it looked funny. I was like, oh, it's blue. 'Cause you know who knows red and black. - Yeah, yeah. - Complete rules for DOS card game. - Is it, could they just say if there's a difference, white?

- If Uno means one, then DOS means two. Thank you. - That's great. - Did they really need to make that felt like an unnecessary sequel. But like Uno was crushing it. - Yeah. - Did we really need another? But Uno Attack I liked. - Uno Attack, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a bit more gameplay to the- - I like that one. - Okay, so here we go. Like Uno, you have to discard your cards by matching the cards in the center, but in DOS, you can only match them by number.

So the numbers need to be matched first, then only the color is noted. So basically it's like a harder version of Uno. - That's never gonna take off. - Which is like, why do you need a separate game for that when you can just add implement that role into Uno? - Some people just think the skill ceiling isn't high enough on it. So that's, that was made for real ranked gamers. - That's a ranked Uno. - You wouldn't understand it's for people with intelligence. - You need a certain number of IQ to play DOS.

- I'm hoping they didn't put too much effort into making the rules for that. 'Cause that was obviously never going to, that was never going to take off. - I can see why no one's played this fucking game. - I don't know anyone who's played DOS. - Again, I played it once. I don't remember playing it though. I think I just played it as Uno. - Who bought the deck?

- I was in, no, you know where it was? It was at the Final Fantasy Cafe. And because next to it, they have a board game cafe and they had DOS there. And I was like, what the hell is this? And that was the first time I saw it. - The Final Fantasy Cafe? - No, next to the Final Fantasy Cafe, there's a board game cafe. - Well, look at the Final Fantasy Cafe, you wanna play DOS? - You can play it in Final Fantasy 14, actually. - It's like triple triad, right? But different. I get that reference now, I've played a Final Fantasy Cafe.

- He finally gets it after you finally completed Final Fantasy VIII. - I did, yeah, I played a Final Fantasy game. - How was it? - It was good, yeah, I liked it. I liked it. Everyone told me I played the worst one. - How did you play the worst one? - Yeah, everyone said that's the worst one. - Who says it's the worst one? - A lot of people told me it's one of the worst ones. - Probably seven fans said that shit.

- They said that, well, when they tell me why it was bad, I was like, yeah, I agree with you. So Final Fantasy VIII has a traditional turn-based combat similar to the other Final Fantasies, I assume. Except they added this system called drawing. So to get spells, you have to like absorb them from enemies. - That is the worst part of it. - You can't get them. And then you're like, let's say your magic power is assigned to how many of those abilities you have. So if you only drain like two of those spells,

you only get like two. So more often than not, you just end up sitting there in fights and just healing your team and just absorbing. Like ages. It's shit. But the game was fun though. And I did enjoy the story. - Did you skip the cut scenes? - You can't.

I didn't, I liked it. I thought it was fun. - The story in eight is fantastic. - I was like, I feel like I've played so many JRPGs in like- - That's cap. - I should rephrase that. I feel like I've experienced many JRPGs just because- - Name five. - Just because I've had that thing where it's like, okay, we will mission one, save the dog.

Final mission, kill God, go back in time, save 15 people, kill another dog, and then come back and then reset the universe. Like, what the fuck?

- That's the greatest part of JRPG. - And I feel like that's every single JRPG I've played. Like that's ended up, you always go back in time and kill someone. - Yeah, but that's like saying like every FPS is just like mission one, shoot the man. - Oh no, no, no. - Final mission, shoot everyone. - There's a difference between just like go to your village and get some flour for the bread and then go back in time and stab him in the heart. - Yeah, that's why it's epic. 'Cause it starts off low and then the expectation builds. - Yeah, but it kind of got like,

I mean, I'm sure back in the day, 'cause this was a 1999 game, I think. - PS1, yeah, yeah, PS1. - This would have been a mind blowing experience, but I was like, "God damn, do we really need to go to space?" - Yes, the answer is yes. - Every Japanese like fiction, every Japanese piece of fiction media is like, "And now we will end

- With space. - The trigger effect. - It's just like, how do we finish this epic fantasy story? - Space. - It's always space. - Anybody space? - It's always up in the sky. - But I enjoyed it. I thought that, you know, it was decent. - How long did it take you to complete?

- Of gameplay, 30 hours? - Oh, that's pretty short. - That's quite quick actually. - That's pretty, what fucking world are you living in? - For a JRPG? - 30 hours? - For Final Fantasy? Yeah, that's really short. - That's actually quite quick for a JRPG. - I thought you would be playing for at least 50 hours. - What the fuck? - Did you have any like accelerators on or anything like that or? - Yeah, the game is times three built in.

- Okay, that makes sense. Well, times three by all of you. - Well, it's not always times three, but during the, you know, when you're drawing these abilities. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - 'Cause when I played eight the first time, I took at least 50 hours. - Holy fuck, the walking speed around the overworld on times three was just, was like, okay, this is nice. And then I turned it off, I was like, this is unbearable, terrible.

This is how like fucking Honkai fans feel when they finally discover there's a normal speed. They're like, "Why isn't it slow-mo?" - It's like in Pokemon when you learn how to run finally, it's just like, "Oh my God, finally, normal speed." - I don't know if this is like strictly like this game's problem, but another thing that I, and I think a lot of video games do this in general. They assume you have played video games.

- Yeah, okay. - So like when you go on a first person shooter, they just assume you have played other first person shooters. - Yeah. - Right? Like there's just things that they don't tell you and they just assume you're like, "Oh, you know what you're doing." - Yeah. - "Go on and point the gun and shoot." - Yeah. - You know, you know that if this mass button's to click, we don't need to tell you the other mass buttons to aim. You know that same with the triggers. Like you just like, there's a bunch of things they just think you know. And I realized that,

Final Fantasy just assumes you know how to do RPG stuff. And I got into this menu and I was like, what the fuck is this? And they start telling you like, press this, do this. And I'm like, this is too much, stop, stop. So the first five hours of the game, I was like, I don't know what I'm doing. I just did not understand the menus 'cause it's too much. It's like, you gotta assign this character this and then put...

Welcome to JRPGs. Yeah. Assigning summons. They're like, yeah. And then like, they're like, oh, assign the summons. Then what are summons you assign? Allow them to pick from these abilities and these abilities. Let them do this. But are you going to get to pick three abilities? And then they have abilities that are tied to their offensive defense and, and,

I guess other offensive, but it's not their other, but they have a completely other stat for like offensive stuff as well. And you're like, what the fuck is this? What happened to, what the hell? And people were like- - That seems pretty standard to me. - Yeah, yeah. And then I just, luckily there was an auto optimize button. So I would just click that and I was like, it's good enough. And people were like, no!

"What are you doing?" And I was like, "All right, listen, I don't get joy out of it." - And you still completed the game, which is the important thing. - That is true. - I'm exactly- - Everyone acts like JRPGs are impossible if you don't do the perfect one frame optimization. And it's like, dude, these games are beaten by five-year-olds. - Yeah. - It's not- - I want an auto button for every JRPG, honestly. - Yeah, yeah. I think if you have...

I think Final Fantasy I enjoyed and towards the end of it, the menuing kind of got a little more fun as I got really into it. But that was like, I'm talking like 15 hours in. And I'm halfway through the goddamn game before I started getting like, oh, this is kind of fun to theory craft and kind of thing.

but I think it's just too much. It's like, I think I spent 40% of my game time in a menu. - Yeah, because I think- - It was just too much. - For me, like I've had that kind of those kinds of moments where I'm like, are you, you know, there's something magical about figuring out game mechanics. - You're like, I wanna do this and I try this combination. - Yeah. - And this fighter, I hit him with this.

- Yeah, because I'm that type of guy who, you know, in the first, like sometimes, you know, JRPGs, their tutorials are like last eight hours long. - Yeah, yeah. - Like you're still getting introduced something eight hours into the gameplay. And I'm that motherfucker who reads something and then just like- - It's gone, yeah. - It's gone, it's gone. Like I'm like, so this does this and I like see the words and I process it.

but then it doesn't like stick with me. - Yeah, I do that too. - I'm that kind of guy who needs to see like cause and effect. - Yeah, I need to try it out. I need to like put this ability on, hit someone with it, be like, no. - Yeah, the amount of times like I've been like streaming like, you know, recently, of course, like Honkai. - Like, "How you doing, not doing the one-five-a-minute." - I've got on a character and I'm like, "Let me read what the skill does." And chat tells me what the skill does. And I'm like, "Oh, I get it. I don't get it."

- I'll read it and I'll be like, can someone tell me in simpler English that like it's good or it's bad. I'm like, thanks guys. - Equip it or don't equip it. - And then I go into battle and then sometimes I die and I'm like, oh, okay, I get it now. - And one thing I've always hated about some JRPGs and I guess this is the problem is that sometimes like, you know, I was complaining, they give me too much information. I'm like, what the fuck is this? And then the bane of my existence when you're reading an ability and you're like,

will cause a slight increase to critical strike chance. And you're like, can you give me a number? 'Cause slight could be from anywhere between 0.1 to like 10.

And 1% to 10% is a massive difference here. We're like, this is the difference between this just being a random once in a fucking blue moon, one play run or one play through chance it'll happen or this will happen fairly often in battle. And I'm like, it's pissing me off that it doesn't, it'll literally tell me the cock length of every character when I choose them and every hair follicle amount they have left.

but it won't tell me the goddamn fucking abilities, like actual information that I need. - I think it's because no one's expecting people to use that item as like a crutch for their gameplay. You know, they just think like, oh, it's just like an added bonus. If it happens, cool. If it doesn't, hey, it's all right. I've got these other shit, you know? - Yeah, like what game was I playing? It was like, oh, if I used,

oh, which fucking game was it? There's a game like if I use like, oh, it was like Ring Fit. This is it, yeah, Ring Fit. I was playing Ring Fit and it was like, if you use a red ability after I unlocked this thing on the skill tree, it was like, there's a chance it'll cause another free attack. And I was like, oh, chance, what does that mean? What would you consider a chance to be?

- You should never ask a Gatsby guy that question. - He's gonna say .05. - Yeah, I'm like .05%. - If you were dead ass in a game, right? It was a turn-based combat and they said, if you use a fire ability and you have this point unlocked, you have a chance to get another one. - Maybe 10%. - Yeah, what would you, I didn't know what number to magically pull out my ass to like decide what this would be. I thought 10% or 20%, 'cause that's what a chance sounds like to me. Chance sounds like,

"Listen now, don't get your hopes up, but it'll happen." And so I was like, "Okay, cool." I went the whole fucking game and I didn't get one. And I was like, "See that's fucked." 'Cause I went through this guilt tree to get that chance 'cause I read it and I thought, "Oh, that sounds strong." Like an extra turn, that's great.

And then I, it must've been like 1%. And I'm like, that's so annoying. - Or you just got really fucking unlucky. - Yeah, yeah. Either way, I wish that like they gave me a number and it's like the one time, the one time I want a number, they don't give me the fucking number. - But wouldn't it have pissed you off more if you saw that number? And if it was like, instead of chance, if it said like, you have a 1% chance. - No, I'd love that. 'Cause then I can be like, that's absolute garbage. I can immediately not even entertain that. I can just go straight past it. And there was also, the one thing I always enjoyed

'cause I did play some JRPGs or RPGs when I was a kid. And I always enjoyed those like weird little, like fun little Easter eggs you could run into where you're like, go right here and do this thing and you'll find this crazy boss and you're like, oh, that's cool. - Yeah.

- Yeah, and I've had plenty of those. It was fun. - Yeah, it's interesting when you mentioned like the kind of assumptions when it comes to like approaching a video game or just a video game genre. I remember seeing like a pretty interesting video about this. Yeah, the ones where, I can't remember the name of the video,

- But it was the one where the guy got his wife or girlfriend, wife, I'm not sure which one, who has zero, basically zero experience with video games and got her to play a bunch of video games and see how intuitive like the video game was for this person who has zero experience. - They're not very. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And you realize how ingrained the language of video games are

in your mind, right? And it makes me think about just how ingrained every kind of piece of UI or computer is like, you know, when you're teaching your grandma to be like, "How does this not make sense? If you get an error message, it means this and you have to click this." And it's just like the simplest thing that you've kind of just

that you take for granted that might, if you have zero experience with it, you wouldn't know because we've had a very lucky kind of like journey to be able to see video games, experience video games at their simplest and be able to like, I guess, grow up with it and slowly learn the language little bit by little bit.

Because I remember the first time I think I experienced this was like playing a Souls, like a Soulsborne game and just not knowing what the rules are at all. I'm like, where are the tutorials? Where is the things that tells me what the mechanics are, where to do, what to do? And I thought, you know, first time I played, I was like, this is shit.

It's not telling me anything. How am I supposed to play the game? But when you've realized that sense of discovery, of discovering mechanics for yourself and discovering the little things that maybe the devs have put in there that weren't in a tutorial stage, that to me is way fucking better than giving me eight hours of menus and tutorial screens to be like, you can do this for this and you can do that for that. And I'm not gonna internalize that anyway. And I'm like,

- I'm sure I'll figure it out somewhere along the line. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, it just sucks that I felt like I figured it out halfway through the game. I was like, okay, I think I get it. - To me, that's when I've normally figured out, that's normally when I've had that magic moment. I think that's why it always takes me like so long to get into a new video game is because I really start figuring things out around like eight to 15 hours through my gameplay.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I'm a story gamer, so I never- - Classic JRPG. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm a story gamer, so I never go in for the mechanics. So I'm like,

what are these fucking bullshit things in the way of my story? I don't give a shit about that. Just give me like the auto thing. And then halfway through, maybe by, normally it's like by complete chance, something cool happens that I don't plan for. I've done unintentionally. I'm like, what the fuck was that? That was actually really cool actually. And then that's when a game goes from a good game to a game like I become obsessed with. If it can just sell me on the mechanics, like,

- Accidentally as well. - I'm gonna play more Final Fantasies I think. - Yeah, you're gonna play more Final Fantasies? - I don't know, I think about the original seven 'cause everyone says that's good and I shit on the graphics a lot so I was kind of like maybe I should- - The fucking egg beater hands. - No, they look like Roblox characters for worse. Or that, I don't know. - You should play 10. - Everyone says 10, everyone says yeah. Pete keeps saying six. - Yep, I agree, six is good. - 'Cause every single fucking,

Old person magazine is like six is the best for real gamers. 'Cause it's the pinnacle of Final Fantasy design. But it's on the SNES and I'm like, dude, it's come on my Twitch chat, they're like 12. - Oh, okay. - I'm kidding, I'm kidding. - It was, yeah, I liked it. The story was okay though. I think, yeah, 'cause it felt like, I don't know if other JRPGs do this. It was like in the start, it's like, hey, we've got the gang. The gang's great. And then halfway through the game, like, all right, only the main characters really matter now, so.

- Only the main two. Everyone else is kind of like on the side. - Yeah, 10 I feel definitely has a better story. Like the combat system and like the power system

like the sphere grid system is like actually intuitive and it makes eight look like shit. - Oh man, I kinda, yeah, I've been thinking about that. I was like, damn, I've been playing Fortnite lately. And it's been kind of fun. - Fortnite's kind of good. - You've been playing Fortnite? - Fortnite's kind of good. I'm telling you, Fortnite's good again. - When you said your audience were 12, I thought you were joking. - Yeah, I thought you were joking as well. - I got roped into playing a few games of Fortnite. I was like playing- - By hoops.

- My mouse, my mouse was doing it. And I was like, all right, fine, I'll play one game. And I was like, I'm not playing Fortnite, it's for little babies. I started playing, I was like, oh shit, it's kind of fun. - I am the little baby. - Oh shit, it's kind of fun. - Maybe I am little baby. - Oh shit. - Oh shit, it is kind of fun. So I'm on the two sides of the gamer spectrum at the moment. I'm a dabble in my feet in all of it. - Yeah. - It's been fun. I've been really enjoying gaming lately, actually. I kind of fell out of it for a little while. I've been getting back into it and I've been really into it. - Did you fall out of it?

- Well, I was only really playing TFT. I hit master by the way, nobody asked. The season ended, but I hit master, which is crazy 'cause I've never hit master before. That's like the top, not the top top, 'cause there's still two more, but it's pretty crazy for a league. It's pretty hard to do. - Yeah, sick. - So I was happy. - I believe you. Joey's sick was just the most neutral. I'm happy for you, but I have no idea what you're talking about. - It's like peak virginity.

- I'm not gonna read that, but I'm happy or sorry for you. - I was just like casually playing that and I was like, cool, that's cool that I managed to do something while casually doing it. Like committing, not like, I played way more on the tour. So I was like, oh man, I was struggling at Diamond back then. I was really good at it. - Yeah, I mean, I guess I've fallen in love with gaming as well or something.

You know, I don't know. - For the first time. - For the first time. - I'm a gamer. - Yeah, I've been playing a Jedi survivor recently. - Oh shit. I didn't expect you to play that. - Yeah, I mean, here's the thing. Like I said, I've really want to get like, I said this on the previous podcast where I really fucking love Soulsborne games. I just don't like the setting and you know, I don't like the dark fantasy setting. So despite how good they are, it takes me a lot to,

get invested into it because you know, it takes a really good game to get me invested into it. Jedi survivors is just the setting that I fucking love, which is not exactly Star Wars, but futuristic sci-fi with the same kind of like enough of the same kind of gameplay that you'd expect. Not as good as Elden Ring, which is why I think I'm warming up to like finally starting Elden Ring maybe on stream because I've really, really enjoyed Jedi survivor.

I've been enjoying that, I've been enjoying the exploration, but one thing like the one, I won't say downside, okay, as a gamer,

- Do you care about cosmetics? - No. - Wait, wait, wait, in what way? - Okay, so Jedi Survivor is kind of similar to like something like, you know, Elden Ring or something where you explore the world, there are bosses and sometimes there are a lot of chests. And what I've realized is that most of the chests, they dropped like lightsaber parts or blaster parts or clothing. And JRPG mind, originally I thought, "Oh great, stat upgrades. Let me just equip everything."

- Nope, it's all completely cosmetic. And I'm like, who cares about this? I'm sure there are people who do. - I do not. - I'm the reason why micro transactions exist 'cause I only care about cosmetics when it's interacting with other players. 'Cause then it's like, it's important to like, it's like- - Like in an MMO or something. - Would I dress nicely if I never left my house?

No, is the answer, right? Yeah. Because no one's seeing it, right? It's like that in video games too. I'm like, I want to make sure everyone sees my little funny Fortnite skin. Wait, but you're out of the house. I'm just kidding. I say that as if I didn't, you know, listen, I found more skin than I stuck to. Yeah.

- It's like that, yeah. I mean, I don't give a fuck about single player. I want whatever stats are the highest. - Yeah, give me stat upgrades. - Yeah, which is why like I never understood, like, you know, I'm that kind of guy who has never understood the types of people who, when they start a new game and they see the character creation screen and they get fucking excited, like, oh my God, I get to create my character. And they spend like three hours making their characters. And I'm like- - Those are people who have drawn their OCs before.

- Same type of people. - Yeah, and it's like half the time, the character that you're creating is in like full armor or some shit that you're never gonna see in your life, you know? - I see a sliver of the customized I made. - It's like in Cyberpunk where I could pick the dick length. It didn't matter. I didn't even get to see it. I wish there was like a scene that at least utilized it. They were like, "Oh, you got a dick." - I wanna see a cut scene where my OCA and his micro cock is just like sticking higher. - Yeah, like Cyberpunk made,

the least sense to me, 'cause that's a first person fucking game. You don't ever see your character because like 90% of the time, because it's like- - I do like it in cut scenes though, when your character is like looks goofy as shit. - Oh, that's why I like it in GTA.

'Cause in cut scenes it's fucking hilarious when you just like rocking up and it's a really serious scene. Just your goofy ass is just standing there. - I do love that. - That's the one time where I care. - You got like a naked man in like a cut scene. I love that. I love that so much. That cracks me up. But then when it cuts and the character's wearing like the pre, you know, the cut scene's already been done,

Fuck this, why do I even spend all this time? - Yeah, just like for me, just give me the default character. Just give me like the default everything. I don't really care. - I hate it when you get that kind of stuff in chess 'cause then you just turn your brain off to like chess or whatever. You're like, it's all gonna be shit. It's all gonna be cosmetic garbage. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Which is why I've enjoyed it, but I've kind of like, now that I'm like,

20 hours in or something, I'm like, I don't want to explore anymore 'cause 90% of the shit I find is just cosmetic stuff that doesn't matter. And I know there is like some upgrades in the world, but I'm like, this is just like around this corner could just be another chest. I don't know. - Like, is it actually worth it? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - That sucks. - I've also been playing balloons tower defense again.

- I was on my computer and I saw C dog VA, balloons tower defense. And I was like, it's Connor streaming. And he's, I went on Twitch and there was no C dog VA stream. And I'm like, this motherfucker is just playing balloons tower defense for fun. - I had like 40 minutes and I was like, I watched this YouTube video. 'Cause I've been in that phase again where I got to listen to YouTube videos to sleep.

And I found this, it was like a three hour video about Balloon's Tower Defense. It had like 8 million views. And I was like, oh, I know this is gonna be a banger.

And that's when I, yeah, that's how I know when essays are good. When you just see like a stupid view count with a weirdly specific topic. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Oh, this is good shit. - Yeah. - And I watched it and I was like, ah, I kind of want to get back into Bloons. And I started playing it and I was like, ah, it's kind of good. It is good, it is great. - It's a solid game, yeah, for sure. - 'Cause they just keep updating it. They have so much stuff. It's bad 'cause I'm playing it and I,

And I feel it's like a five minute game. And I look at the timer, I'm like, dude, I've been playing this for 40 minutes and I've barely done anything. I'm just watching the balloons pop. It's like, it does feel like I'm developing ADHD while I'm doing it. Like I feel like I'm like, this feels like a weird hack on my brain to like magically lose time.

So I've been trying to get it on second monitor, but it keeps loading on my main monitor. - See, I can't laugh at that because I've also recently just casually gotten back into playing Minesweeper again.

- That's very active. That's not like a bloons town if I don't just press play. - Who casually says, what motherfucker comes in and says, I just casually got back into Minesweeper. - I just casually got back into it. - What? - Well, because like ages ago when I was still streaming, I did that offhand stream where I was like, I'm gonna learn how to play Minesweeper. And I ended up playing it for like five hours. I beat expert once during that entire stream. So I was, but then I was like,

I could get a better time. And so last couple of days, I've just been, whenever I have time, I just put some music on, like put something on the record player and I just fucking. - I don't wanna ever hear it from you that you're busy now. - Fuck. - I don't wanna ever hear the excuse that you're busy. - Do you know what I just realized? So it's been two weeks since the last Trash Chase recording since I had like a week holiday. Is this the type of shit we get up to when we have no Trash Chase recordings in a week? - Hey, hey, hey.

- I have made sure that I've been busy, but occasionally you have like an hour. - I have two. - And then normally I would play TFT, but I stopped 'cause I reached mastered. I'm like, no more. - I was waiting for a business call. It was two hours down. I was like, what am I gonna do for two hours? Fuck. - You played for two hours? Holy fuck. - That is not a casual amount of time. - That's a long time. I was doing like 30 minutes of balloons.

- It's a good game. - No, it's not. - It is, it's fun. - Yeah, I don't know. I feel like those kinds of game is just like the equivalent of watching TikTok with Subway Surfer at the bottom. It's just a way just to keep your mind engaged. - Yeah.

- It is. I was like, my brain could just like rot on the couch doing nothing or it could stay active and young by playing Minesweeper for two hours. - Yeah, 'cause I never really got like, I never really got how the kind of rise of idle games came out. Like was like cookie clicker or whatever that game was. Like I never, like to me, I never understood how that became a genre. - Well, I mean, I think that like,

it's like people want to do something else and then quickly you just kind of, you have to actively do it in the start and then you can just kind of watch it. - Yeah. - It's like how you, maybe you would, you'd watch a TV and talk to your friend back in the day. I feel like just evolutions of that, right? - Is it?

- It's just our brain getting more scattered. - It is, I feel like it's just like something hacking in our brain. 'Cause I thought it was like dumb until like Honkai Star-Rail released this.

where it's like a museum management thing. It's not museum management. All you do is you click buttons and then you see numbers go up and then you have to get it so every number is S rank. And then I've realized that I wasted like two and a half hours. - Dude, that's just the Yakuza side quest.

- That's literally the stockbroker game in Yakuza. - Yeah, probably. - You just click some shit and you watch your stocks go up. And I'm like, why am I doing this right now? And why can I not stop? Why can I not stop? Something is going wrong with my brain right now. - To be fair, I jest, but that was the best part of some of the Yakuza games. Those fucking business management side quests where you just click some shit and you watch it grow. Goated.

- Yeah, all I'm doing is watching some numbers get bigger and the more numbers get bigger, the more resources you have to make the bigger numbers get even bigger. And then it's like the gameplay loop of big numbers equal bigger number and more big resources equal bigger number. And then it's just, and then it doesn't end. I'm like,

Why am I doing this? I don't know why I'm doing this, but I can't stop because I need to see bigger numbers. - It's eternally satisfying. That's a YouTube mentality. - We do that with our sub count as well. We're just like more, more, keep going. - That is just YouTube in a nutshell, bro. This is what trash taste gets up to when we don't have a trash taste recording apparently. But you're gonna be happy Connor.

- Why? - Finally watched John Wick 4. - Oh, you did? - Yeah. - In America? - Yeah, in America. - Oh shit. - Unfortunately, I didn't watch John Wick 3. - What the fuck? What the fuck is wrong with you? - You rose it up and then put it right back down. - I will say, I will say,

I don't really think it matters because that implies that the plot in John Wick actually matters, which- - Yeah, okay. - I'm gonna say it. - Hold up, hold up. - It doesn't fucking matter. - Oh my, yes it does. The plot is fantastic. You don't even know the, why, what?

- It's okay because Didis was like, we're watching John Wick 4 now. And I was like, I haven't seen John Wick 3. And he's like, I don't care. I'll just explain everything to you. And he explained it all in like two sentences. - No, Didis probably didn't even know what happened. Didis is terrible at- - He probably didn't even watch it. He just guessed.

- Yeah, I don't know. - You probably don't even know. Oh my God. Like there's so many, like the starting scenes are all like the fucking backstory to what happened in the previous movie. The reason why, oh my God. - I mean. - Okay, listen, you can still enjoy the movie, but like you're missing out on some pretty good story. It's not the best, but it's great, man. The whole friendship between, oh fuck my God, man. You just ruined it. - I've never seen Connor this lost for a while before.

- You could have watched the 10 minute summary on YouTube before you went in. - I had Didis with me. He was my 10 minute summary. - I love Didis to death, but that man cannot explain plots. - He's like a 10 second summary. - That man cannot explain plots. - No, because every time something relevant to like the previous films happened, he would be like, he would literally like pause and be like, okay, so this happened, this happened. - You didn't watch it in the cinemas?

- No, we watched it on like home cinema stream. Yeah, he would just pause it and just explain everything that happened and everything he was explaining. I was like, that's really useful information that I don't give a shit about. I just wanna see people shoot the fuck out of each other. - Well, we'll just say what your verdict was first before we get more.

- What was your verdict? John Wick 4 good? Yay or nay? - I think John Wick 4 had the best action I've seen in a fucking long time. The action scenes were absolutely fucking stunning. - What did you say about I'm gonna kill you? - I did not think it needed to be three hours long. I felt fatigue after the first- - It's 'cause you weren't invested in the story.

- Okay, okay. Here's my biggest gripe with it. Here's my biggest gripe. - I wanted it to be longer. - Okay, if we're gonna like talk about the story, right? There are some things where I just like could not wrap my head around Donnie Yen's character, all right? Donnie Yen's character. So I didn't know coming into this that he's a blind guy, right? - You fucking see he's blind. He's not in any of the movies.

- No, I mean, I didn't know coming into this movie that he was going to be a blind character. So I thought that he was gonna be some like fucking daredevil kind of character who could like sense everything based on like his sense of like sound or something. And then like the first scene, it becomes very obvious that, oh no, he's actually blind and it doesn't help him at all.

- Why would it help him? - You think a blind gives you super powers? He watched too much Marvel. - He's seen too much anime. - Yeah, I've seen it. - He's like, no, he's gonna pull out the one piece hockey anytime soon. - So what I couldn't get my head around was, okay,

are you blind and goaded or are you blind? Are you just a blind person? There are so many scenes that flip flop between the both because he's still fucking Donnie Yen, he's kicking ass. And then there'll be points where he's just like,

"Are you dead?" "I can't tell." "I can't tell." And I'm like, "How is this guy still alive?" I don't get it. How is this assassin still alive? - There's like scenes as well where he's trying to find the gun and he can't find it. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - That's good though. Like that's like, you know, I don't want him to be dead. - So what you're saying is he's a little bit too inconsistent. - No. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just like, I was, I liked the, I liked consistent- - He's not disabled enough.

- I just wish he was more blonde. - No, no, no, no. All I'm talking about is with suspension of disbelief, I love-

batshit crazy things, right? But it needs to make sense within the logic of its own world. If something doesn't make sense within the logic of its own world, I just, it just like, there's, it's just like a pinprick in my brain where I just like, I can't ignore it. And just like, I was going into every scene being like, so is he a blind man or is he like a Jedi mask? No, no.

I was like, sometimes it's a blind man. Sometimes it's a fucking Jedi master, fucking feels the force, does all that shit. And I'm like- - Is he blind or is he just- - I thought it was pretty consistent. I thought it was all right. - And yeah, and I like the-

the campiness, the cheesiness of John Wick. There are some points that were just like a little bit too far for me at some points in this where I was just like, okay, this is a- - Which parts such for example? - Well, don't spoil too much 'cause I started the scene. - Okay, okay, okay. - A little bit, you did a little bit.

I mean, at this point, I don't even know what's a spoiler and what's not. - It's okay. Like, I mean, it doesn't have that much of a plot, let's be honest. The main villain of John Wick was the most cartoonish kind of like villain. - I loved it, it was great.

- He was like way too fucking cartoonish. He was just like, let's just make that, you just like that because you just like seeing a Frenchman getting fucked. That's the British in you, man. - It makes sense within the world. I mean, this whole world is kind of like cartoon. - Was he like a Bond villain or something? - He was like a Bond villain times like a hundred. - He wasn't that bad. I mean, it's like, he's like,

- Evil for evil's sake, but it makes sense. - Does he have an evil mustache? - No. - He doesn't. - It makes sense in the world though, in the rules, you know? - Yeah. - 'Cause he broke the rules. - I think that was the thing that bothered me about John Wick 4, because as you find out more about the rules of this assassin world, 'cause in like John Wick 1 and 2, it was kind of like a surface kind of thing where it's like, oh, this cool thing exists.

These are what the rules of the assassin worlds are. And you're like, okay, that's enough of a background thing where I can just focus on the action. But what I found with John Wick 4 was that it was so like, it was way more ingrained to the plot line. And then- - I thought you had that like third movie to kind of transition you into.

- Probably, I mean, I still don't think I've missed much. - You did, you did miss much. - I'm going to watch the third movie and I'm gonna be like, okay, so he hates this one, that guy betrayed that person. - You missed so much in the third movie. - And he got another dog. - You missed so much. - Sick. - No, but like what bothered me was there were just like little inconsistencies I found within the logic of its own world.

where just some like I'm all for suspension of disbelief, but there were just some things where it just took things a bit too far when there was more focus on it that just I couldn't ignore it as much anymore. - I love how you're going so in depth into this, like probably more than any reviewer and Conor retaliation is nuts.

- You didn't watch the third movie. I can't believe that, dude. I can't believe that. - What if Connor's actually right and the third movie is like the most plot heavy? - The third has a lot of plot. - I'ma watch a third movie. - There's a lot of plot that happened in the third one. - I'm saying everything that Didis was explaining to me was just like, okay. That person betrayed that person. That person is friends with that person. Okay, I understand. John Wick, shoot. - The fourth has like the least plot.

Like, because he has, like, barely any lines in it. He barely says anything. See?

- He has like 200 words in the whole movie. - I mean, that was also consistent with like the three other movies I've seen. - No, there's more plot. No, no, the third is very plot heavy. I can't believe it. - I've only seen the first one, so I don't know. - Now I've seen like three out of the four John Wick movies and I can remember like two lines that he's ever said. - You're like Jojo Paltz skipping right now. The John Wick fandom is not happy.

- It's like skipping the second Lord of the Rings film. - No, okay, we're not gonna compare John Wick to Lord of the fucking Rings, okay? This is no. - What I'm saying is you could obviously gloss over shit, but you're still missing important plot points. - Look, I don't watch John Wick for the plot. - I watch John Wick for the plot. The action is a side bonus quite frankly.

- Fuck off. That's so cap. I don't watch it for the like amazing Oscar nominated writing of John Wick whose line includes, "Yeah." - I love it when he says, "Yeah." When he says, "Yeah," I get chubbed.

- I mean, likewise, but it's not a plot point. - Yeah. - It's like- - It's a kind of, yeah. - Okay, actually, actually, okay. The one scene that bothered me, the one, okay. - Go on. - One scene that bothered me.

there's a scene with a literal fucking James Bond villain where they play poker together. And this is really- - Oh, I love that scene. - It's this really bad ass scene where they play poker together and the stakes are meant to be high. The poker game means fucking nothing.

because they're like, okay, so the loser of the poker game has to do X or has to do, I can't actually remember the stakes of the poker game, but I remember it being high stakes. And then they go through this like 20 minute long scene of- - It's not 20 minute, fuck off, it's like five minutes, go on. - Like they go through this long scene versus the poker scene and then they just start shooting each other anyway. So I'm like, okay. So the poker meant nothing. - It's not how the cards go, it's John Wick.

Like you could have just shot the bad guy immediately and just foregone this. - They have to create like suspense, right? They have to be like, oh, okay. Is he actually gonna like play by the rules this time? Or is he gonna be John Wick and just start guns a blazing? Turns out he's John Wick.

- Why am I defending this movie? - Joe, you haven't even seen this movie. - I've never even seen it. - Yeah, but like, why are you asking for like civilized political discussions in John Wick? Like, you know that was gonna happen. - No, no, no, I'm like, why are you- - I feel like you're comparing this scene to like- - 'Cause you need some build up. You can't just have him run up in a place and be like, "All right, pew pew."

I mean, the thing that bothered me was just like, why are we pretending? Why are we pretending to have a plot here? Why are we pretending that this means anything? - Just hold on. - Like I said, John Wick 4 has- - It's like saying like, did they really need poker in Casino Royale? Like did they, come on, they could've just, they didn't matter in the end. Like you need that, that's like, what the fuck?

- I'm like, we should just remove all dialogue from films. Let's just do like- - I feel maybe they added that scene because after four movies and you know, many, many different scenes and situations of John Wick shooting shit, they're probably just like, all right, we gotta change it up. We've done a building, we've done a house, we've done the streets, we've done the club, we've done every other place. Where have we not shot guns at yet? Poker game. And they just threw that in. I guarantee that's how it was chosen. - I love that fight scene though.

- The fight scene was fucking insane. - All the fight scenes. - All the fight scenes was so good. Oh my God. I'm just, yeah. The thing that bothered me wasn't the fight scenes. It was just like I said, you know, I could turn my brain off for the first and second one. The fourth one, because there were so many more moving parts in the first and second one, it was just like, just noticed too many like internal inconsistencies with its own logic and its world. And that just kind of like took me out. - I disagree. - I feel John Wick is just like the live action God of high school.

- Or it's just like the fight scenes are epic, but what the fuck is this plot? - Disagree. - Disagree? - I disagree.

- John Wick has a better plot? - Yeah, way better. Got a high school that literally doesn't have a plot. - Sounds like John Wick. - No, I'm so fat. I can't believe you skipped this. Probably you were proposed the idea of John Wick 4 and you were like, "I haven't watched John Wick 3." - Actually, no, I didn't purposely skip John Wick 3. Didis just like refused to let me not watch it. He was like, "We're fucking watching John Wick 4 together and you're sitting down." I'm like, "I haven't seen the third one."

And he's like, "I don't care." - You realize he just wanted to watch it and he wanted you there. - So blame "Dieters." - Yeah, I'll take it. I'll take it. But you know, like watching "John Wick 4", do you know what it made me miss? And you know what I realized is kind of like- - "John Wick 3." - "John Wick 3." - Funnily enough, not "John Wick 3."

I don't know, is it just me or has there just been a decline of old school martial arts kind of like films, right? - Because it's hard.

- What do you mean? - It's hard to train for that. Like Keanu Reeves was trained for fucking like decades in doing that stuff. And I think that it just doesn't look nearly as good as John Wick. - Yeah, of course I'm not just like talking about John Wick because Keanu Reeves did train the fuck out of that. He made a fucking banger film. I know I'm like, this is me nitpicking John Wick four. None of these criticisms actually matter. - You better have caveats.

- Yeah, it made me realize that the last like, the last real martial arts movie I watched was probably the Raid, Raid 2, right? And that was how many fucking years ago now? I remember back in the day. - 2017. - Yeah, I remember back, yeah, that was- - 2019.

It felt like such a long time ago. - I've never seen it. - You haven't seen it? But you know, back in the day there were so many different martial arts flicks coming out but there hasn't been just a rising star of just a martial arts film

main character. Like we had Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, Donnie Yen, Tony- - I mean, I feel those are very hard names to live up to. - Yeah, yeah. But that's the thing, they're legends. Jet Li as well. There used to be just so many, right? And so many different martial arts film being made. And there just doesn't seem to be any coming out right now. - It's like swings and roundabouts, right? It's like, you get,

you get every now and then you'll get like a fantasy period where everyone wants fantasy and there'll be superheroes and there'll be space. And then I think it'll come back around. I think it's just not, it's just not, I don't think people are really that interested in martial arts right now, unfortunately, and in a broader scope. I think a lot of people like who are really into that kind of stuff are like, I would rather watch UFC or something. - Actually, it's funny you mentioned that because I was talking to this with Didis and he was like, yeah, UFC has just killed martial arts films.

I'm like, I don't know if that's true because- - A little bit. I think 'cause there's always that discussion like who would win the fight, Bruce Lee or Donnie Yen? You know what I mean? - And then Joe Rogan comes along and he's just like, well- - Star-Tipically, Donnie Yen had eaten more elk meat and done more BMT so it's highly likely that the frogs are gay. - Star-Tipically, you bring a MMA fighter in there and he wipes the floor at both of them. It's been proven every time.

- You bring an MMA fighter to a Kung Fu master and the MMA fighter wins every time. - I do think there's a little bit of truth in that where like, I think a lot of the, I don't know, maybe, I don't know. Like I think it's more, I don't know. I also,

- I felt that there are not many good movies coming out, martial arts movies. And I also just don't really care about it much right now. Kind of like, eh, whatever. - I mean, watching John Wick, I was like- - That's basically a martial arts movie hidden under an ax. - That is a martial arts movie where guns are the martial arts. - Yeah. - Right? - What do they call it? Like gun jutsu or something? - Gun cutter? - They called it something. They had like an on-term set for it. - Yeah, it was gun cutter, which was- - Like gun karate?

- No, I can't remember, but it came from, I believe "Equilibrium", the film with Christian Bale. - Oh yeah. - That's where the term kind of originated from and you know, great movie where they kind of made cool looking things. I've looked way too deeply into this because I'm like, I fucking love martial arts films. So I'm like, where did this come from? And you know, there was this fake martial arts in "Equilibrium" where it was like,

it was meant to make it so that you are, the way you move and the way you are angled is makes you less likely to be hit by bullets while also optimizing how you can fire a gun. Would you think about it for a second? And I'm like, that's fucking bullshit. But also you see some of the scenes on equilibrium and you're like, I don't care that that's bullshit. That's awesome. - That's epic. - Yeah, that's fucking epic. - But when I watch UFC, I'm like,

I'm like, I actually just don't want to see two dudes nearly kill each other. I think I'm okay. - Yeah, I see it enough on Twitter. - I think that part of my like medieval bloodline kind of just left a few generations. - I'm civilized now. - Yeah, I just kinda, I'm sure there was a time when we had nothing better to do as a civilization where I kind of got something out of that.

Like boxing I've seen and I kind of weirdly my brain, I'm like, this feels a little bit better even though it's just people giving each other brain damage. Watching UFC I'm like, this is a little too much for me. I'm like, these people look like they're actually being killed sometimes. I'm like, ah. - I mean, they definitely run into the trouble of the risk. - I'm like, I'm okay. Like this is just like not it for me.

- Yeah. - I'll go back to watching. - I'm just gonna play Street Fighter. - I'm gonna watch League of Legends professional. Maybe I'm a beta male, I don't know. I just don't get joy out of seeing dudes beat the shit out of each other. - Yeah. - I've been on Twitter enough. - Yeah, honestly. You see it on Twitter every day. - I mean, I do find some, sometimes I see a UFC clip and I'm like, damn, that's fucking bad.

- Absolutely like athletes and they're amazing at what they do. But for me, it's just like, I don't, I'm good. - Yeah, the compilation of like, you know, like level 1000 IQ moves by UFC players is like, like, you know, that stuff is like, all right, yeah, that's kind of sick. You know, when they'd like flip accidentally or, you know, like any cool thing like that, but just a regular match, I'm just like,

- Like one, I'm not really invested and two, I don't want to see people getting hurt. - I saw this clip the other day and I don't know why it came up on my thing, but it was a UFC fighter who was having like an asthma attack. And he was like, get my inhaler, get my inhaler.

And it's like mid fight. And then the guy asked him like, is it okay? He's like, yeah, it's FDA approved. And he takes it. And then afterwards, I guess the guy, I think his name is Dana White or something. He's like, yeah, so actually he wasn't allowed to take that. That's actually an illegal substance. You absolutely cannot take anything in the octagon.

And I was like, dude- - 'Cause it technically counts as steroids, right? - I don't know what it is. I'm like, dude's having an asthma attack, man. What do you want him to die? Like, I don't think he was, he was trying to get an edge. I think he was just trying to breathe, bro. I don't think there was any like adrenaline in there. I think he probably was just trying to live. To me, I'm like, do we really need a sport where if a dude's having an asthma attack, we have to be like, absolutely not. He needs to suffer. It's like, ah, I'm good.

I'm good. I'm like, I'm okay. - I'm having kidney failure, help. It's like, sorry, you're in the octagon. Can't do anything about that. - Yeah. - You're the star of the match if you wanna get traded. - Yeah, even like boxing fights, right? Like if you're getting beaten the fuck up, they just call it, right? They're like, stop the fight. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah, and UFC it's like, oh, you don't get to stop the fight 'cause you're dead.

You've already been knocked out because of how violent the sport is. I'm like, I'm good. And I get it, if you're into it, I'm totally fine with that. I think that's literally just a me personally thing. It's too much for me. - Yeah, like sometimes you see knockouts and you hear the- - Oh dude, it's so bad, man. - And that to me is just like, God damn! God damn! - I heard that from here, man. His ancestors fucking felt that.

- God damn, man. - He is dead damn. - And the people I know who are into UFC, I feel like they're a little too much into UFC. You know what I mean? I don't know, they talk about it. - I have never met a UFC fan personally. - I've met some friends who are into it and they're like a little too into it. I'm like, what are you, why are you so invested in this? - Yeah, I know quite a few people into UFC as well. - Really?

- I was supposed to be a little too invested in seeing someone like beating the fuck out, like two dudes beating each other up. I'm like, it's a little- - Oh no, I think there is- - I'm scared. - No, 'cause I think there is that caveman part of your brain. - Oh, for sure, for sure, for sure. - Yeah, but from what I found, the people that are really into UFC as well, there's that, but there's also like-

- You know, there's two different ways to view a game, right? There's the, "Ha ha, who won? Ha ha, it's football. Go like ball go in the goal post. Ha ha, we cheer." And then you get to like the deeper level where you start appreciating it as like an art form, just like, "Oh, there's the meta game. There's the tactics that are involved in this."

- For the people I've known that are into UFC, most of them are also doing martial arts as well. - Yeah, that makes sense. - Or doing some form of martial arts. - Yeah, that makes sense. - So there is an appreciation on just the art form as well. And then you get to see someone knock down, you're like, "Yo, let's go, goddamn." - "My balls are expanding from the amount of testosterone."

- I'm just a beta male. - Yeah. - I appreciate it. - Oh, you're a league player, so. - That's true, that's true. And a balloons tower. - And a balloons tower. - But no, please, Hollywood, whatever, Hollywood or Asian cinema, give me more action films. Give me more martial arts films. I miss that shit. - We're not getting any more. - You could always just go back to like the back catalog, right? 'Cause like in the 80s and 90s, I feel those, like 80s and 90s especially- - What you said is just copium.

- You literally just said like, "Don't ask for anything new, fuck." - Just don't ask for anything new. Just go back, watch all the old shit and then you can complain. - I've watched Kung Fu Hustle so many times. - Yeah, there's only so many times I can watch Kung Fu Hustle and be like, "Oh, this is goated." And I'm like, "I watched that when I was like 20 or some shit like that." Or you know, way younger. - I think Donnie Yen is actually still producing some.

in China, I think he's still like producing. He just did a pretty big epic, but I think he used a lot of, I'm not a big fan of the martial arts with the wires.

- I'm not a huge fan. - I'm not too, I prefer more grounded martial arts as well. - Yeah, 'cause I watched like a, I don't know, like a GQ or whatever it is, one of those interviews, and he's trying to make like a mix of superheroes, mixed with martial arts, and I'm like, eh, I'm good. - The martial arts. - Yeah, because yeah, in terms of like martial arts genre, that was a genre I'd never got into as well, like the whole,

- Doing seven backflips in the air. - Yeah, like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, Hero, all that stuff, even though there are some beautiful fucking scenes. - Hero's pretty good. - Huh? - Hero's pretty good. - I mean, he was beautiful, but I would never take Hero over something like Ip Man or something. - Yeah, but Donnie Yen versus Bruce Lee and Hero. - That's pretty high. - That's pretty fucking good. That is Hero, right? Yeah, that's her. - Wait, what are you talking about? - Yeah, Donnie Yen fights Bruce Lee in Hero.

- Isn't it Jackie chair? - No, no, no. - We think of the same film. I'm pretty sure Bruce Lee is dead. - Bruce Lee, sorry, sorry. - He might hologram on Bruce Lee.

- I meant Jet Li. - Oh yeah. - Sorry, Jet Li. - Yeah, yeah, Donnie Yen versus Jet Li. I was like, what? - Oh my God, yeah, sorry. - What are you talking about? Did you get your two Asian martial arts actors mixed up? - Miley with Lee, God damn it. Yeah, Jet Li versus Donnie Yen. That's pretty good. And Hero, that's like an amazing fight. - Yeah, that is an amazing fight. - I don't remember that one. - Probably the best fight of that.

- It's like right in the start. It's like the first dude with the spear and it's really good. - Yeah, god the cinematography in that scene is insane. - And they did that, they did like 80 takes as well. It's a crazy amount of takes. - Damn. - Yeah, it's insane. They were dedicated. - I mean, it's getting rarer for, you know, to have these big martial arts kind of like superstars, you need that martial arts training. - Hearing like what some of these dudes had to go through when they were starting, like it was all like off script. There was no script. They would just do shit.

and they would just make shit up and they would get thrown off buildings, thrown into glass, like set on fire. It's like, all right, all right, now we're gonna throw you in an acid. And it's like, oh, okay. - All right, now that you have broken your spine in three different positions, we know exactly what we're doing. - It's crazy when you see some of the stunts like Jackie Chan did and you're like, holy, like that one of him falling through like- - Yeah, the police story where he's, so there's a stunt. - He's like electrocuted and like- - Yeah, all through the,

- He falls out of that like kind of like Spanish, like old style looking town through like the tops. Eight of them. That's fucking terrifying. He, I mean the level of unhinged is just crazy. - Yeah. - It's so crazy. - I mean, there's like very few, let's say, you know, actors that still,

- Come in with that mentality. - Steven Seagal, the goat. - Okay. - Comes in with the mentality, let's get it done, let's make a film. - Actually, you know, I kind of miss campy 80 action films as well. - No, I don't miss Steven Seagal. - I don't miss Steven Seagal. Do you know what? - You know, he like, when in his movies, when he does them now, he makes them like sign agreements saying that he doesn't have to stand up. - What? - He films all his scenes sitting down.

Why? I'm serious. Let me show you. Let me show you. I don't know. I don't know. Cause he's lazy as fuck. He's, and there's like, have you seen the interviews where he's like, yeah, when Bruce Lee was dying, they called me first, not the ambulance to ask what to do. He's such a fucking psychopath. Steven Seagal sitting down in movies. Let's see what comes up.

- There was like a thing where in every single thing he, yeah, Steven Seagal movie out for a kill is so lazy he sits fighting. How much do you think Steven Seagal sits in his movies? - Wait, so all of his fight scenes are sitting down? - No, I think in the movie there was one where he was just sitting down during a fight scene. I think he sits down in most of his movies. That's how fucking lazy this guy, he's also just an asshole. - I haven't heard great things about him.

- Do you know a movie I've rewatched recently that is- - Not John Wick 3. - Not John Wick 3. So I forgot how fucking goaded this movie was, which I don't think it's actually goaded, but it was as enjoyable as I remember it being. So there's a street fighter live action film. - Oh my God.

- It's so good. Holy shit. - Why? Why are you watching this shit? - Why is it? Okay, because Street Fighter VI released recently. - Yes, I know, I'm aware. - Yeah, so I got randomly recommended, you know, I went down that rabbit hole, randomly got recommended a clip of the live action Street Fighter with Jean-Claude Van Damme.

- Holy, I was like, this was really good when I was like 10. I bet it's not as good rewatching it as at like 33. I rewatched it and God damn, it is so shit. It is so campy. It is so cheesy, but oh my God, it's such a banger. - That is definitely your nostalgia goggles talking. - That movie sounds ass. I don't even need to watch it. - I mean, it is ass. - It is ass, but it's,

the perfect amount of ass that it flips around and just becomes so fucking entertaining. When you stop taking it seriously, it is one of the most- - I mean, I never took it seriously. - Have you seen it? - Yeah, of course. - I haven't seen it. - It sucks. - Dude, M. Bison is so... This is okay. The reason it's so good, right?

is because this is what happens when you have the shittest script known to have, you have the shittest script known to man, but for some reason, every actor gives 110%. Everyone, every actor just- - They were not paid enough. - Every actor like fully encapsulates and fully sells the script, even though it's the shittest script, the shittest lines of all time. For some reason, every actor showed up and was just like,

- Boys, I'm giving it my A game. Boys, I am giving it my A game. And I'm just like, normally, normally you see films like this and you're like, okay, obviously the actors are calling it in. No actor in Street Fighter called it in. And I'm like, this is- - Everybody else did. - Everyone else did. And it's just such a...

- It's just so much fun. I don't know why that film works. I really liked it. I'm going to defend that. I will defend the live action street fighter. - I wanna hear someone's opinion of them watching it for the first time with like no nostalgia goggles, right? I think that will truly see if it actually stands up to the test of time. Like you've never seen anything about it?

- No. - Okay, I need you to watch it so we can get like a fresh opinion. - Sure. - Yeah. - Unbiased opinion. - It is. - 'Cause I feel you and I only enjoy it because it's nostalgic for us. - For reference, it is rated, I believe 4.4 on IMDB. - It's a shit film. - What the fuck? - But it is entertaining. - What's the plot?

- What's the point of the movie? What are they doing? - M. Bison is basically a terrorist trying to take over the world so that- - Who's the main character, Guile? - Guile's the main character. - Okay. - Yeah, and he's played by Jean Claude Van Damme. - Jean Claude Van Damme. - Yes, my favorite American. - That's the thing, the best American.

- Couldn't they get a real American like Arnold Schwarzenegger? - Yeah, played by Jean-Claude Van Damme and all of your favorite characters are in it. - Yeah. - They're certainly in it. - This is about it though. - This is Chun-Li. - Chun-Li is in it as well. Chun-Li's like a spy or something. - What the fuck? - Yeah, and they try to take down M. Bison together and then spoiler alert, they do. - I saw.

- I saw a tweet that was like every single country in street fighting got like some form of weird skewed representation of like a stereotype, you know, like gals are this American military dude. I don't know who the Russian dude is, like the big- - Zangief. - Zangief. And then they're like, you know, Chun Li is like this, you know, like a fighter and whatever. And then they're like, yeah, from Brazil.

this fucking gremlin that is just fucking electricity. And it's like, how is that representative of Brazil? Like, what are you trying to say about Brazilian people? They're all like fucking street goblins. - Blanca? - Yeah, yeah, like Blanca, right? Like he's like all fucked up. - I completely forgot he's from Brazil. - He's from Brazil. It's like, what the fuck? They predated the Brazil memes. I just read it and I was like, this is kind of fucked up when you think about it.

- Every other country got like kind of like a really weird jarring stereotype. And then they were like, Brazil, fucking gremlin, fucking Blanca goblin ass mouth form. Not even a fucking human being. It's like, what the heck? - Damn, they did him dirty. - You think about it, you're like, this kinda fucked up. - I don't know if it's a nostalgia thing now. I just kind of miss the kind of old school action scenes and-

I think John wicker woke something in me where I was like, this is- - There woke something in me. I wanna- - My dick specifically. - I want more. I need more. Bro, if you're not chopped up in that movie, you aren't watching the same movie. - Oh my God. - Just admit, you wanna fuck Yonah Reeves? - I was chopped up. - Dude, that fight on the stairs was godlike, dude. - Holy shit, it was so good. - And when he tumbles down the stairs, I was like,

- The gamer scene, you know what I'm talking about? - Oh dude, that was so good. - The gamer scene, oh my God. - That was so good. - I was so chuffed. - I need to watch this now. - Just watch the fourth one. - I'll skip two and three, just watch the fourth. - It's just like when they made that movie, they were like, they must've known that no other movie is gonna be able to compete. They were just like- - I mean, no one has. - All movies are canceled after John Wick 4, until John Wick 5, I think. - Is there gonna be a fifth one?

- Well, they actually, well, they teased, they were, I don't know. Well, yeah, we'll talk about it. - Is there any plot left? - No, I don't think so. - Oh, perfect, there will be a fifth one then. - Yeah, probably. - You're implying there was a plot there originally, Joey? - Yeah, that's what I'm saying. - For some reason, I saw they announced that they were doing it. I was like, what? I don't know if that's Twitter bullshit, but I was like, that doesn't make- - There's gonna be a five hour movie. - Either way, we're getting a bunch of prequels and stuff and sidelines. - Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me. I wouldn't want the John Wick franchise to die just yet. - I'd love to know more about the universe.

which you said didn't exist and was shit. - I thought I did and then I did and I was just like- - The assassin universe is cool. - It is a really cool idea. Like conceptually, I fucking love the idea of this assassin universe where the rules of their, they operate within their own rules of their universe. But like, it's kind of like,

for me, it's kind of like similar to horror. The more you find out about something, the less scary it becomes. The more I find out about the assassin universe, the less interesting and mysterious that it is. And the more that I'm like finding poker

poking like holes in it and like, why is this a thing? Why do things work like this? This makes no sense. Okay. So yeah, that was a big thing, but I would love to see more John Wick. I would love to see more action movies and- - You can Garnt, it's called John Wick 3. You get to watch that one. - Yeah. I'll tell you what else I've been doing as well. - Okay.

I don't know why I've had so much free time recently. It's weird, it's mysterious. - Okay, okay. - I've been reading manga as well. - Ooh. - What is that? - I've been doing a Joey. - That's his thing. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - What have you been reading? - I've been reading a manga called "The Climber" and it's I think a fucking masterpiece actually.

- Here we go. - Like an actual mask piece. I don't know how I would actually do a video on it. - Is it a new one? - It is not a new one. It is a pretty old one.

- Oh yes, I have read the first couple, I think of that. - Joey's read everything. - Sorry? - Joey's read everything in existence. - Joey has read everything. - Joey's read your burst of kids. - Yes, yes. I've read the first couple volumes. - Okay, so it's like, let me tell you, it's the best sports manga, but it's not really a sports manga. It's the best sports manga I've seen

I guess sports media has seen since "Ping Pong: The Animation." It's an anime about someone who discovers like rock climbing and free soloing. - Okay. - But it's not about that at all.

It's got a really interesting story behind the story as well because the first three volumes of this manga is your typical like shonen, sports shonen bullshit kind of thing. He like enters this tournament. He has like high school rivals and then,

So what happened is that about three volumes in, the writer, so there was originally a writer and an artist team up, and the writer just left. The writer for some reason just left, leaving it to the artist to come up with the story. So around about three volumes in, it just completely shifts from this stereotypical Shonen sports manga to this like life manga. And-

- See that was the point I dropped it. That's why I haven't, this is why hearing this part is the first time. 'Cause when I read it, I remembered it as just, oh, it's a rock climbing. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so it's got, it's like one, there's a few manga that I've read that has made me feel such like deep emotions as the climber has. - So when the writer left, it got better.

- It got better? - It got better. - So when the dude stopped hiring the guy, he just did it himself, he just started making better stuff? - He's like, "Wow, maybe I'm goaded." - Yeah, yeah, yeah, because- - Fine, I'll do it myself. - Yeah, because like, you know, slight spoiler, not really a spoiler, but he just basically just like stops the high school bullshit, puts in a time skip and he's just like, "Okay, okay." - Oh my God, yeah. This sounds amazing. - That's what I wanna see. - Yeah, he gets out of high school, right? And really starts to,

follow the arts of rock climbing properly and properly tries to like fall. He not only like falls in love with rock climbing, but it really uses rock climbing as a metaphor. This sounds so fucking pretentious, but like that's kind of why it's so good. It uses it as metaphor

for his own personal troubles and shit that you hate people for and you hate society for because one of the most, one thing that I think was genius that the artists, one genius thing that the artists realized about rock climbing and free soloing, right?

So the basis of the final plot is that he wants to climb K2, which is the second highest hardest mountain to climb in the world. So there are plenty of climbers that have died while mountain climbing, rock climbing, Everest, K2, whatever. And so what he used

So what he used mountain climbing, like a mountain climbing team for is he realized that no matter what, you can't pretend to be someone you aren't.

when you're in a life or death situation on a mountain, right? So when people are in a life or death situation, when your survival depends on your team members and what they decide to do, whether they leave a man behind, whether they go out into a snowstorm to try and find some shelter or some wood or something to help the team to survive, you see

who what they really are, the raw people beneath all of the bullshit masks that they wear in society. And that leads to some of the most like,

moments and fucking amazing panels I've seen in a manga. And I did not come into it expecting that from a fucking rock climbing manga. It is honestly, I think this manga is a fucking masterpiece and I've not heard a single person talk about it. So I am talking about it now.

If you wanna read something that I think is a really, really fucking underrated manga that has some of the best arts I've seen in a long time. - I'm sold. - I feel that's the problem with like a lot of mangas that like, because there's just so much out there, so much especially that hasn't been animated that,

obviously there are anime fans and there are manga fans, but I feel right now the anime fans are kind of in the forefront talking about all the shows, whereas the manga fans are there, but they're not as, the spotlight isn't put on them as hard. - Yeah, yeah. - So there's more instances of people finding these like super unknown yet super amazing manga series that no one talks about because I feel the spotlight is not on them. - Yeah, I just get stressed out knowing that so many manga are ongoing.

- This one's ended. - Oh, it's ended? Okay, good. - Yeah, I saw this one's ended. - See, when it's ended, I'm like, "Oh, okay." - 17 volumes, I think? - 17 volumes, yeah. - That's a hefty amount. - That's a hefty amount. Here's the thing, okay. I kind of realized this after reading "The Climber."

which is obviously I know in my mind that manga and anime are different. I thought my medium of preference was like anime, but reading this manga, do you ever read a manga and you're like, there is no fucking way this could ever be a good anime, right? - It's way too important.

And it kind of made me realize, this is gonna sound like really pretentious, like art student talk, but reading something like "The Climber", it made me feel like, the difference between a manga and an anime is a manga is basically like a one person team, right? And there's something about the visual storytelling you can feel,

when you turn on a panel and you see amazing artwork, there's something you feel, you almost feel like a connection to the artist or to the writer. - It's like looking at a painting at an art museum, right? - Yeah. - Just like this was knowing that this was made by one person and like everything about this painting derives from this one person's mind that it came from. - Yeah. - And when you see like a painting that like really connects with you,

you almost feel like, oh, I understand what this person was thinking. I understand what kind of person, whoever created this thing is, right? So like it makes that connection extra special. And I totally get that because like with anime, it's a massive team, right? There's lots of different people involved including the creator. So I feel it's,

I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's a lot more difficult sometimes, no matter how good the anime is to have like that type of personal connection. - Yeah, because this doesn't apply to every manga, only like the goaded manga where I'm like, holy shit, I'm reading something so, I'm reading something that's making me feel emotions that few media have made me, been able to make me feel. And I feel like I am,

this is something that the author is telling me personally. Not anyone else, this is something that he's trying to communicate with me. 'Cause like the other example I can think of, right, is "Villain Saga." - So good. - "Villain Saga" is goaded in both anime and manga form. - Oh, another episode today. - Yeah, yeah.

- Yeah, we got another episode today. - It's one of the few manga that I feel has gotten an adaptation that is- - Oh, it's so good. - That is goaded and faithful. And then I think back to my experience with the "Villain Saga" manga, and I think back to the experience with the "Villain Saga" anime, and it's weird because it's like a subtle difference. But in the "Villain Saga" anime, it almost felt like, it almost feels like

There's the fourth wall, you know what I mean? There's the fourth wall. I'm watching a piece of entertainment and I'm appreciating the story, but it felt like when I was reading the manga, I was like, "Holy shit, I'm actually feeling what, you know, "Makoto Yukimura is trying to tell me." And I can't really put it into words, but it's like a different kind of like appreciation.

between manga and anime. - I think you just described why so many people love manga. - Yeah, I think I get it now. - Dude, Vinland Saga anime is going so hard. My favorite part of Vinland Saga, other than the, it is absolutely an amazing piece of media and you should watch or read it, whichever, they're both amazing and you'll get whatever.

is my favorite, my favorite, most favoritest thing coming out of this is everyone being like, maybe violence isn't that good in anime. Maybe we need to do less violence, you know? I've done so many video essays that have been like,

Vinland Saga just said no to violence. And that's kind of cool. How do we feel about that boys? It's kind of like how like I've seen more people, 'cause in Vinland Saga, right, there is a big tonal shift in the second part where violence kind of like, in the first part, violence plays a very big factor. It's kind of glorified, it's kind of cool, it's very hype. And the second part, there's like, they kind of shifted to be like just extremely oversimplified, like violence, bad, not good. - Yeah.

I've seen like the ratio of comments, people actually complaining about the second arc to people complaining about people going to complain about the second arc is insane. Like there's, I cannot find a single comment of someone saying, actually I found one or two. Like people saying this arc is boring, nothing's happening. But I find so much more comments who'd be like, people just can't appreciate this. They're gonna call it boring.

I'm deep 'cause I get it. It's like, shut the fuck up. No one cares. It's a good show. Everyone knows it's good. - I am that person. No, because, okay, here's the thing. I think a lot of people expected that just because that was kind of the- - I mean, I expected that. I just pissed myself. I expected that too.

- I thought people were gonna be turned off by it. - It's funny because I've seen a lot less negative comments in regards to the anime. 'Cause when the manga started, a lot of people just ended up dropping it because they were like, "Oh, this is boring now." - Yeah, I think knowing that even though it is still like half a year until like kind of a bit of violence happens in terms of anime runtime, I think the manga would be excruciatingly long

if you were really hoping for- - Yeah, and in the manga there was no like back reference, right? Like no one could go to an adaptation 'cause this was the original source material. Whereas the anime, all the manga fans are like coming out of their bunkers being like, "I'm telling you it's good, just wait, stop complaining." - It's so good, man. - Yeah, I like how we're talking about this after "Martial Arts" and "John Wick" and "UFC." Maybe violence isn't the answer, guys.

- Oh, I mean, I say that as well. And then I like, I immediately finished the "Villain Saga" episode. I'm like, "All right, time to watch "Hell's Paradise" where it's just indiscriminate violence." - Yeah, that is just like violence 24/7. - And I'm like, "This is great." - I fucking love "Hell's Paradise." - I literally went from "Villain Saga" immediately to then watching an episode of "Hell's Paradise." And I was like, "This is literally what they told me is the problem. And I'm still doing it." - Well, I think it's because it's just a different part of your brain. - Oh, it's such a different, yeah. - But here's the difference, right? Here's the difference.

A story like "Villain Saga" is going to stick with me. It's going to stay with me for years to come. "Hell's Paradise" as it is now, I'm gonna forget about it in like two years. - I'm still really, I fucking love "Hell's Paradise."

- I'm enjoying the shit out of it actually. - I think Demon Slayer more like Snore Slayer 'cause it's so boring, nothing's happening. I'm like nine episodes in, I'm like, can something happen please? - Yeah, I like Hell's Paradise 'cause they don't fuck around. - Yeah, shit's happening all the time. - In Demon Slayer they just fuck around so much. I'm just like, just get to the part where everyone is gonna start creaming their pants. - We can have a 10 hour conversation about the nuances of Vinland Saga, but also Hell's Paradise is nailing that part of my brain that's like, ooh. - I agree.

- People are dying. - It is the best, like just turn your brain off. Yay, violence. - Yeah, I saw your stream where you put it in A tier above and then you put like Oshinoko and S, I was like, get. - Okay, I agree with that though. - No.

- Why don't you agree with that? - Dude, I've been watching all of "Oshinoko" and I'm like, oh my God. For me, it's like cringe watching it. - Why? - The whole like terrace house arc, I was like, what the fuck is this shit? I was like, this is- - Wait, why was that cringe? - Oh, 'cause the dude's like-

- The moment where I had to, you know when you stand up, you're like, what the fuck? I was like, when he like, there's this whole like kind of terrace house, like, and if you don't know the terrace house, there's this whole situation. - Reality romance show. - It's a really unfortunate situation. And it was, you know, where a,

a contestant was on it and they ended up unfortunately committing suicide from all the mean comments. And the show kind of did like a weird kind of parody of it. I didn't really like, and it was kind of like, it was super fast. It was like, boom, you're on the show. Boom, you have hate comments. Now you want to die. And then she tries to die. And then the dude's like stalking her, I guess.

and is just ready to catch her. And I was like, what the fuck is this? What if she didn't do it? Is he just following her this whole time? What the hell is this? This dude's a freak. - That was the anime moment. - Yeah. - And I was like, and then this dude,

- Dude, magically, I'm sorry, dude. If you gave me 15 more lives, I would not become this much smarter. I'm gonna be realistic about it. This dude became like giga brain, 10,000 IQ, social media. The bro is a doctor. I'm just like, I'm like, this is so dumb. - Are you a doctor?

- No, and if you give me four more lines, I wouldn't be a doctor. I wouldn't be a doctor. - So that moment in the anime, so there is a high school version of "Terrace House." So there's like- - Which is also like, I was like, what the fuck is this? I was like, why are these 16 year olds on a dating show? And like, I was just like- - Yeah, but shows like that in Japan exist. - I know they do, I know, but like,

It was just, it was so corny and so on the nose. - I thought it was a well done episode. - I thought it was really well done. - I thought it was a really well done episode. - Yeah, yeah. There's like, normally when I see, let's say anime and manga. - Manga. - I was gonna say media and I went, "Manga." Manga and media tackle like internet's kind of like culture. - I think it does the best job I've seen. There's still some moments where I'm like,

- Oh, that's cringe. - I feel like you say that because you are inside the industry. So you know how things like really, really are. - It's just how like, there was also like another thing where it was like,

- I guess the Terrace House episode is where I really started to get pissed off. I was like, oh my, all of this episode just feels so stupid. And they were like, actually, don't worry. No need to kill yourself. We have editing. I was like, what? What? And they were like, everyone's gonna love you now. And she's like, no, I don't wanna kill myself. And it's like, what is this? What do you think mental illness is just an editing problem? - I mean, for the TV stations. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Especially in Japan. - Yeah, I mean, I thought,

I don't think it's a mental health thing. - It's like, let's fix it. Do a TikTok dance. Let's film it and let's get it going. - I got something totally different because what I thought was genius about that kind of arc was just to show how fickle the fucking internet is. - And I appreciate that that was what they were trying to show and I understood that.

I guess it was portrayed in a way and maybe it was because of the breakneck speed they went through all this stuff. - Yeah, they went through it pretty fast. - I was like, whoa. - It was definitely more fleshed out in the manga. - Yeah, 'cause I remember this arc in the manga lasting a little bit longer, did feel pretty fast in the anime. - Yeah.

So yeah, I was like, oh, I remember watching the episode and I was like, oh, we're getting to this arc already? We're getting to that part? - Yeah, and I think that was also a problem with it is that they were introducing these ideas and they were running through them so fast and they were trying to get this character believable for this girl who, you know, 'cause she gets online hate in this one part, we're supposed to believe that within just the timeframe that we're flip-flopping sides so often and it's like,

- What the fuck? - No, I totally understand that. But I feel like the ideas that he tried to portray were like still there, which is why I still really- - We've interacted with the Japanese entertainment industry in various ways. And it is very different to how we operate. And obviously the agency having way more power is a thing. - And also Japanese hate comments being made

- Oh yeah. - 10 times worse. - Oh, for sure. For sure. Japanese hate comments are intense. I don't know. When I was watching it, I guess it was a mixture of the rushed,

how it was rushed and I guess, because again, I work in that field. I work in that, I don't fucking do work, I play video games. It's kind of interesting. It was like, damn, all I had to do was do good editing and make a good video and everyone loves me again. Damn, if only it was that easy. - For some people, that is how it works. - Think about how maybe some people get

uncanceled sometimes. All it takes is like the perfect apology video. - You just need the one well-crafted video and your reputation goes back up. - Yeah, and I guess sometimes that does happen. Like that has definitely happened online, but there are so many more cases of like that not being the case, it's never that straightforward. And it's like, oh, this was a shit apology video. - But in the episode, the YouTuber character in that show explains that.

- Yeah. - And so she's like, "I wouldn't recommend you do this video because it could backfire." And I'm like, "Okay." You know, they're touching upon the realities of the internet doesn't forgive as easily as you think. - Obviously it's like dramatized 'cause it's a fucking anime. Obviously it's dramatized, but I appreciate it that they were saying things and I'm like, "Yo, that's kind of,

- That's kind of like- - That's legit. - That's kind of legit. That's kind of legit for how things work. It's a bit more dramatic than what we're used to. - It was super dramatic and I guess that they were trying to keep that like, show the dramatics of it, but then also not commit to it 'cause he magically turns up from stalking her, I guess, and saves the day, which is, that was weird, right? Like he's just, he's like following her in the street.

- Like this guy's a freak. I do not like the main character. - I actually don't like the main character either. - I fucking hate this guy so much. He's fucking weird. - He's like Walmart light. - Yeah, it's like, oh my God, I can't stand him. And I think that's part of the reason why I can't stand the show is that like, I do not care for him. And the only reason I watched this goddamn show is 'cause the opening is a banger and it convinces me that maybe the show will be good for five minutes.

- I like it because of the idea that presents and the topics that he explores. I agree with you, main character can be- - Is the least enjoyable character for sure. - Why'd it have to be a goddamn fucking basically an isekai? Why couldn't there just been someone likable, goddammit?

- Why do they have to be reborn? - Yeah, I mean, I'm still enjoying "Hell's Paradise", but it is very much turn your brain off kind of fun. And there's only so much I can enjoy turn your brain off kind of things. - Yeah, I think it unlocks that part of my brain that really loves the kind of anime trope of people. The thing that kind of "Terraformus" gave me too, it's like you get to this new world where nobody

no rules are similar to the world where you came from. But we have these dudes who are pretty competent and we can kind of see how they can survive and how they learn 'cause they learn with you. And I really liked that. I think you mentioned as well one time, it's like the dark continent arc of Hunter x Hunter. It's like exploring a brand new world with these fucking weird monsters and everything's,

No one gets anything. I love that feeling. - It's like that feeling of despair that the character feels like, oh my God, we have to go up against this shit. Like what the fuck? - Yeah, and there's like a scene where there's like, it's not really, I guess it's light spoiler. Like there's this dude's just walking and then he feels a prick on his hand on this weird land. He just immediately chops off his hand. And then I was like, that's fucking sick.

It's so surface level, but I was like, "It's true." He knew, he didn't know what it was. He was like, "I have this fucking, feels weird. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna cut my hand off." - It's just something about watching a bunch of like fucking unexplainable bad asses. - So sick. - Just doing bad ass things. - So sick. - It's just like, this is sick. - It's just like the rule of cool. You know what I mean? Where I'm like, "I don't need to think too much about this."

- I just worry about how much of a shelf life it can have because- - Oh, like nothing. - It can be like really boring after like one season or something. - But I think right now, apart from Vinland Saga, it's probably the show I'm enjoying watching the most, but I'm only watching like three shows. - Yeah, there's a lot of good shows. - Fucking Demon Slayer is so boring. I hate watching Demon Slayer this season, I've decided. - Oh, I'm not even doing that.

- Yeah, Demon Slayer tried, I think the problem with this season of Demon Slayer is that what made Demon Slayer great was the action, the really cool animation, the action. And then this one was like, oh, let's have a bunch of flashbacks to focus on the characters. - It's like Demon Slayer, like you know the fucking meme of that kid with the vein popping his head? It's like Demon Slayer trying not to insert a flashback challenge.

It's like, you should take a shot every time. You should watch "Demon Slayer", take a shot every time there's a flashback. - Yeah, yeah. - You'll be a knee-breaker. - I feel like there was one flashback recently where the flashback actually lasted longer than the fucking fight itself. - I got so pissed off at that one. - Yeah, I was like, "Demon Slayer, we didn't watch you for the characters, okay?" - Okay, I wanna spoil something in the new season, 'cause this thing pissed me off so much. - Okay. - And it was like, and I don't know why it pissed me off,

It was during the flashback of the Hashira of the guy that we're with this time. And basically, I guess to make him like kind of have a whole arc and learn something, they just figured out the best way to make a character learn something was to just make him have a twin where he's basically just...

his twin suffers all the consequences. And then that's his arc is that he'd learned from his twin. And I was like, they just made another him to make him learn the lessons. - Isn't that a Simpsons tree house of horrors thing? - I think so, yeah. - With Bart's evil twin. It sounds exactly the same. - It was like, oh, he learned all of his story arcs. I guess there was consequences, he lost his twin. But it kind of felt like they were just making all the punishment happen to his twin so that he would learn. And it was like, that's a weird,

- Did you just, what the fuck? - I just thought it was- - And also the demons they're fighting are so boring. - Yeah, yeah, okay. If there is another fucking high level demon who does the fucking Uno reverse card. - I'm sick of the Uno reverse card. - Like, oh no.

"Oh, my head is chopped off. Oh, wait, wait a minute. He's not dead." And I'm like, "Motherfucker, fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice." This is like the fifth fucking time this has happened. - The fact that the Demon Slayer characters still get surprised when they cut the head off and they don't die is like, ain't no way, ain't no way. I chopped his head off and he didn't die.

- I'm more surprised now when they chop a head off and they do die. - Oh shit, it worked! - Oh my God, what? First time, actually first time? - Call the Hash Rat. Bro, sorry, for real, I chopped his head off and it died. - You won't believe it. - I mean, it's so, oh my God. Demon Slayer has become almost like a parody of itself.

Like in a weird way where it's like, all the rules they set just don't fucking matter anymore. - So I'm gonna say this, this was recorded when we're at about episode nine or 10. - I've only watched up till episodes like eight. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Guaranteed by the time this episode airs- - Everyone's gonna change their mind. It's gonna be like, this is the best anime of the season. He did a fucking back flip with CGI. - We're gonna get another episode 18. - Yeah, yeah, exactly.

- Exactly. - And everyone will be like, nevermind, this show is go. - Exactly. The thing I've learned about Demon Slayer is that- - It is a 10 episode handicap.

- Yeah. - It is the most boring show for 10 episodes until it becomes good. - Yeah, and then for some reason, like it's literally like that Rock Lee meme of just like take off the training weights. This is like the first phase where he's fighting Gaara. And then every season I'm like, "Deemslayer shit, this is boring." And then like you get into the last three episodes and the training weights are off and you're like, "Holy shit, this is going on."

Oh my God, that was so high. And then we repeat the cycle all over again. - They know when to give you the cocaine. It's like, not now, not now. When you just get more and more frustrated and you're like, all right, take a line now.

- I'm satisfied. - Yeah, yeah. - I mean, the thing is I'm still watching it. I still probably enjoy it, I guess. - Yeah. - Oh man. - I mean, this talk has definitely not motivated me to start watching it. - Listen, the thing is like Garnt said, I think the moment that episode comes out, then everyone will be like, "All right, let's watch." - I'm gonna wait till the season is over and confirm that there is another episode 18 moment, and then I'll watch it. - Well, it's like in the last doc, right? That the fucking, when they just went insane with it. It was like, oh, this kind of, I would watch,

- Fucking 10 more episodes. - I think the last arc was the most consistent. - It was great. Yeah, it was so good. - Yeah, because there was so many hype moments in that arc. I think that arc was the outlier. - And also that hasher was fucking fun to watch. It was just a delight on screen.

- This Hashira fucking snooze fast. - Yeah, and also like actually like seeing, this was like midway through the previous upwards, like just seeing Nezuko kick ass for the first time, you're just like, oh my God, it's not just like a cute little anime girl, you know, you can actually do shit. - You're actually useful. - Yeah, you're actually useful. But I think this most reminds me of something like Mugen Train.

where I was like, this is boring. Holy shit, this last fight is hype. I think it's most similar to something like that. - The only thing I remember from "Morgan Train" is that last fight. - Yeah, right?

- The first hour and a half I'm like, what happened again? Oh yeah, he dreamed or some shit and he almost died in a dream. - You could literally skip the first four episodes of "Mugen Train." - It's literally like comparts into my mind where I'm like, I don't remember this. What happened in that film? - I honestly thought, 'cause in this season as well, again, another spoiler, so far fucking Zenitsu and-

- Yeah. - The ball kid, I forgot his name. - Yeah, Inosuke. - Yeah, Inosuke. - The ball kid. - Aren't in it. And I'm like, theoretically, Zenitsu's not there, it should be good now. And it's like, oh no, this show is still boring. - Oh wait, Zenitsu's not in season three? - No. - No, not yet. - Oh, I gotta watch it. - Theoretically, it's because- - I'm showing him my show, I don't fucking know, he might show up and fucking be like- - It's because- - He'll ruin everything. - Instead of being annoying, the Hashiras are just boring.

- That's the Hashiro's, I mean the fucking girl, I can't even remember her name. She's just there for the fan service, man. - Kanbouji?

- Yeah, well she's not even there. I'm like episode eight, she's only showed up. She showed up at one scene. - Yeah, she's had like one scene and I'm like, oh, you're there for the horny teenagers. I understand now. I understand why you're there. - Gotta have one. - There's always that one. But no, I mean like generally the anime has been pretty fucking great this season. - I wanna watch more. I just haven't had time. - Yeah, same.

- That's a lie. - Is there anything else that's good this season that we should be looking out for? - What do you want? What do you want? - What do you mean? Just tell me anything. What's good, what's great?

- I'm not watching Gundam. - He's not gonna watch Gundam. - I've just decided no matter how good Gundam gets, I'm never gonna watch it. - He's not gonna watch Gundam, but Gundam has reached that phase where it's become Gundam again. Where it's just like, oh, here's every war crime imaginable being committed in one season. I'm like, oh, okay. - Oh, they're just covering Japanese history. - Break the Geneva Convention speed. - Oh yeah, are you watching Mashu?

- What? - I've read the manga. I've read Magic and Muscle. - Oh no, I wanted to though. Is it good? - I think you'd enjoy that. - It looks like a show that I'd love. - It probably is. - It's got One Punch Man vibes, right? - Yeah, it's One Punch Man. It's basically just,

One Punch Man or Mob Psycho in Hogwarts. - Oh, fuck yeah. - Yeah, basically this gym bro. - Yeah, I've seen the synopsis. I wanted to read the manga, but I was like, well, I heard the anime is coming out. - The manga is good. - I'm hyped. Actually, I will actually watch that one. - Yeah, that's one definitely for you.

- What else would you like? - We've been getting another "Made in Abyss." I kinda wanna see what kind of fucked up shit. - Well, I mean, he has to keep, he has to write the manga. - Oh yeah, shit, he has to write one. That's really fucked. Okay, what else? - Okay, this one's on a maybe so far 'cause I don't know if you'd enjoy it. I'm waiting for the season ending to see if it's worth your commitment. - Okay.

- "Heavenly Delusion." - Okay. - Which is at the moment is one of the most promising anime I'm watching. - A lot of promising anime out there. - Yeah, it's a lot of promising anime, but it really depends on how it ends. So I'll come back to you in two weeks. - Okay, tell me in two weeks. We'll see. I'll pick it back up. - I'll come back to you. - This is sounding awfully like one direct priority right now. - Yeah.

- Hopefully it doesn't end the same way. - Hopefully it doesn't end the same way. - If I've learned anything from anime, it's that having a banger first episode is the easy part. It's sticking that landing. - Sticking the landing, yeah. - It seems hard. - No, because with a show like this, so the kind of basic plot synopsis of this is that it's a post-apocalyptic world. Something has happened

to the earth. We don't know what, it's one of those shows where it doesn't treat you like an idiot. It will show you a little bit of law, a little bit of at a time. And you have all these different elements that you don't know how they're all connected. There are monsters that somehow roamed the nights killing people. - Oh, I saw your, I'm a big fan of the Giga channel. I watched the-

- Whenever he uploads, I watch. I think you've showed the bit of this and I thought it looked really cool. - Yeah. And like, there's like some, for some reason there's like a disease, like ravaging humanity. There's like some reason there's doppelgangers that exist in the world. - That's sick. - And you're like, what the fuck is going on? And slowly, slowly but surely it's starting to like make sense. The more episodes go along, but it's not there yet at the big, okay, this is what is actually going on.

- That's what it depends on. But in terms of the production values, I would argue that it's probably the highest production value show airing right now. For some reason, it's almost like movie level quality. - What the fuck? No way. - Yeah, it's like "Chainsaw Man" without the CG. - Okay. - How many episodes left till it's finished? - So it is about three episodes left till it's finished. - Okay. - And yeah. - I wet my whistle. - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

- Keep an eye on it. - It's cool. - Cool, cool. - It's very, very good. Everything else I don't think you'd be interested in. - All right, well, no. - I know Connor's taste and I'm like, you wouldn't like any of this stuff.

- Mashle I think you'll enjoy Mashle. - Mashle was great. - Well, thank you so much for some more anime recommendations, Garnt. I'll keep you updated on the Demon Slayer hate. See how that's going. - No worries, no worries. - I kind of had the urge to watch, catch up on My Hero just to be like, 'cause a lot of people gave me shit for being a hater and not being up to date. And I was like, I might do it just to be, you know. - That's what I did. - Just to like, just so I can confirm. - Was it worth?

- It was not worth, I think. I don't know. Okay. Season six of my, we've shit on my hero a lot, but season six has genuinely been the best season in a very long time. There is no high school bullshit in season six. Deku goes through his edgy phase and gets more interesting. - Cool. - I've seen pictures of that. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I'm just like, that looks like something's happening. - Yeah, I really like him in Fortnite.

- Yeah, it's like the author of "My Hero" is just like, "Do you know what we need? We need like "Tokyo Ghoul" vibes." And I'm like, this is so cheesy, but for some reason I'm kind of invested again. - It worked in "Tokyo Ghoul." - Well, thanks for watching this episode. - Hey, look at these patrons though.

- They're probably watching anime this season. - You sound so exhausted when you say that. - This is patrons though. - Hey, let us know what anime you're watching currently and what you would recommend down in the comments. But if you'd like to support the show, then head on over to our Patreon, patreon.com/trashtaste. Also follow us on Twitter, send us memes on the subreddit. And if you hate our face, listen to us on Spotify. - This has been a very interesting episode of what we get up to when we don't have Trash Taste recordings.

- I found out a whole lot of fucking nothing. - Yeah, nothing. - Minesweeper apparently. - Minesweeper, yeah. - I don't know how to get home. - We'll stop bullying you and we'll see you guys next week. - Bye.