We Have an Existential Crisis | Trash Taste #168
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- Hi, welcome to this episode of Trash Taste. Hope you enjoyed us trying to order coffee. - We're not putting that in. That's for the Patreon. - No, I guess, do you feel like, because we're talking about ordering coffees now, I don't know why, but when I have hot coffee, there's like a quote of like how many hot coffees I feel comfortable having in a day. But as soon as it's hot,

as soon as it's iced coffee, I'm like, oh, this is a different drink now. I don't know why, it just feels like a different drink. 'Cause I never have iced coffee unless it's in the summer. And to me, it kind of feels like a smoothie or something. - I wonder if that's- - That's a note from-

- Yeah, I maybe drinking the water droplets from the ice diluting it, making it taste less coffee. - To me, coffee shouldn't feel refreshing. Coffee to me- - An iced coffee feels too refreshing. - Yeah, an iced coffee just feels too refreshing.

- That's how you know you're not addicted. - This is literally the equivalent of being like, I'll drink a whiskey straight and I can only do so many, but when it's on ice. - No, no, no, okay, because- - I can go ham. - 'Cause in a similar fashion to me,

- Cocktails don't feel like alcoholic drinks a lot of the times. If a cocktail is like, you know the ones I'm talking about. - I mean the ones that taste like juice. - The really fruity ones. - Yeah, so I gotta go for the gin tonic. I need that kick to remind me that I'm drinking a drink. - That's the most alcoholic thing you can say. - No, because like I'll drink a cocktail and I'm like this, it was a pleasant,

It's like dessert. - Yeah. - It's so sweet. And like you can barely taste the alcohol a lot of the time. I'm like, this is not only is the sugar bad for me. The alcohol is like a double whammy. Like I'm getting fucked. - Exactly. - So I'm like, I'd rather just. - Well, I mean, that's why like if I wanna. Yeah, that's why like if I, when I can, if I'm at a bar and I'm like, you know, we're in kind of a juicy, fruity cocktail kind of night, all right. Where everyone's like drinking all the fucking.

- Where the fuck he had that? Where the fuck he had that? - I've had that a few times. - You've never invited me out and gone, "Yeah, you can have a brother's chat with me." - Yeah, yeah. God, I'm feeling like a little juicy. - Oh, I have to ask. I have to ask for the Fruity Tooty cocktail. - Yeah, you have to pen it in. It's like, this is a fruity cocktail, man. - I've never seen Fruity Tooty cocktail Joey in my life, Joey. - No, not Fruity Tooty, just like fruity cocktails, right? Like the sweet cocktails. - All right, okay, okay. - When I can, I try and double shot that shit.

because otherwise it's just like juice and I don't feel it. It's like if you drink like Horoyoi the whole night, you know, where it's like, I don't feel like I drank. - No, okay, with Horoyoi I still feel like I can taste the alcohol. - Horoyoi is a 3% really light alcohol drink. - It's fruit juice. - Okay, 'cause here's the thing, here's how my mind works, right? There's like sodas, there's like fruit juices and then there's shit like beer and wine, right? Which I do,

I guess like I like the taste of beer and wine, but that like portion of like me liking that taste is different to me liking the taste of juice and something that's non-alcoholic. When you add a cocktail and stuff, when you add a cocktail into the mix that doesn't taste alcoholic, my mind registers it as juice, right? But,

- The problem is cocktails are normally like triple or double the price of a beer or a wine. And I finish it like way faster. You ever gone to a cocktail bar and it takes like 10 hours for like the waiter to make this like really elaborate cocktail. And then you finish it in like one minute 'cause it tastes so good. - Yeah, but that's like, I don't know. Cocktails are not supposed to be like

you're not supposed to drink cocktails in the same way you drink a juice in the terms of like, oh yeah, I can just get this whenever I want. So I can just fucking down whenever I want or however fast I want. Like cocktails supposed to be like special. - I think there should be a natural barrier.

And if I can give this cocktail like a 10 year old and he'll be like, "Oishides." I'll be like, "That's a problem." - So you want it to like taste like bare minimum tastes like alcohol. - There needs to be an indication of it that you like at the moment I cannot taste the alcohol. I feel like I'm...

- Something about it is like- - That is true. I've drank some cocktails where I'm like, if I ordered the non-alcoholic version of this, it would taste exactly the same. - Yeah, you're like, "Show me the treasure map, 'cause I can't find it." - Like for me, I have a rule. If it takes longer to make the drink than it does for me to drink it, then that's not a drink I will order again. And in Japan, there's so many bars that do that where, you know- - Oh, there's that one bar that I always take people to that I think you've gone to. I don't know if you've gone to. And there's those guys and they're wearing like the tuxedos.

And they take literally 15 minutes to make a cocktail. - What are they doing, crafting the glass? - Basically, and it's like this big. And it's so refreshing 'cause you've been waiting for so goddamn long for a drink that you- - That's how they get you, bro. - You drink it in like five goddamn minutes. You're like, "So I can have another one?"

That's how they get you. They're like, we'll wait until you're absolutely parched so that when you order this cocktail and you down it, you want another one. - I asked for a glass of water and obviously it's like a whiskey place normally. So they bring out, like, I don't know why, they bring out like the tiniest shots of water in like this kind of vial. It looks like something you'd get like a medicine in an RPG. And it's like max like 50 milliliters. And I'm like, what am I, who's this for? The mice in the building?

- This is not gonna refresh it. Give me fucking- - What is this? A water for ants? - That's the one good thing about America. I'll give them credit. You always get the stupidest largest vessel of water. It's an incomprehensible amount of water at every single restaurant or establishment when you ask for water. It's never smaller. It's never like a glass. It's like,

prepare for the slurp jug 5,800 milliliters of straight water and ice in your veins. - You can keep a goldfish in that. - Yeah, for sure. - So that's one problem that Japanese bars need to fix. - It's kind of like we're looking at it though on like both ends of the spectrum really. It's like Japan is like way too little, America might be way too much. - Europe gets it right, bro. - Yeah, Europe gets it right in the middle, I feel. - Yeah, I know. The point being is that cocktails are nice, but I don't want to eat them a lot of the time. Sorry, drink them.

- You should eat them. - I was thinking about a different point in my head. It was like how, like, I don't know why, but it makes, when I order a cocktail, it activates the same part of my brain that when I eat a brownie and then,

And then the ice cream's on the side. And I'm like, did we really need the ice cream? Like, I feel like I was, I felt bad about ordering the brownie already because it's so fucking bad for me. And then you just did like a giant fucking scoop of vanilla on the side. And I felt like I didn't really need it. And I just...

it activates the same part of my head where it's like sugar, more, yes please. - Yeah but sometimes you order a brownie from a restaurant, that thing is like dry, it's like drywall. - That's how it's a bad brownie if I got to rely on that. - Yeah but that's why they pair it with the fucking ice cream. So like hide that shit. - That's true. - The only place that I actively like ordering cocktails, like this is the only place 'cause I just figured out now that I'm older, I've just not a cocktail guy. Not fucking with us. Get the fuck out Connor.

- You want to chug a woo woo for 12 quid? - Honestly, like a jug for 12 quid or something or like two jugs for 12 quid. - That's cheap as fuck. - It is cheap as fuck. - I think it's gone up now, but when we were there, you used to be able to get like two jugs as well for like 12 or something. - Damn your inflation. - Okay, but that's the thing. I allow those 'cause those are like shitty enough cocktails that you can taste the alcohol. Is it weird that I want to taste the alcohol not because

I specifically like the taste of alcohol, but if I'm drinking this drink for the specific purpose of getting drunk, I like my brain to remind it that, you know, I am getting drunk at this point. - I think you guys are thinking too hard to like min-max alcohol. - I just feel like,

- Cocktails are this weird cheat code area we figured out. And I feel like we're defying the laws of nature. - Yeah. - 'Cause playing God with cocktails. - It's our natural warning when we drink something with alcohol, where it's like, ooh. Where our body's like, no, no, don't drink this. But we do it anyway. But I need that reminder. - Yeah, 'cause like for me,

- For me, the only place I can order cocktails is by a poolside or on the beach or something when it's like a nice pina colada. 'Cause in my mind, I'm just like, oh, today's a cheat day. I get to order dessert. - You're on vacation mode. - I'm on vacation mode. I get to order dessert at lunchtime. - That's the most British thing you've said. - I don't know if it's a British thing or if you just like- - Or we're on the beach. - Yeah, or we are on the beach, right? But yeah, like to me,

- To me like, have you guys been recommended like these, like, I don't know. Sometimes you go on like YouTube shorts and there's just like this, a lot of cocktail videos. - I know the guy you're talking about. - Yeah, the guy who does like really aesthetic looking cocktails that I've never thought that

ice could just like look so pretty. And now I'm just like, oh, that ice was frozen. That was completely clear ice. No bubbles, zero bubbles. That must have like- - I know exactly who you're talking about. - You know who I'm talking about? - In Japan, they always go so hard with that. - Oh yeah. - The ice game is impeccable.

- It is. - You'll hear him going away at it for like 15 minutes to just perfectly make this rock. - You know it's gonna be a good cocktail when you order a cocktail and the first thing the master does is bring out a giant block of ice and a huge knife and you're like, oh shit. - Oh, it's happening. - Here we go. - It's happening. - It's so nice, man, getting cozy in. There's a bar I go to quite a lot whenever I wanna go out to drink with people. The guy's so chill. He's so nice. One dude runs it, plays smooth jazz.

And it's just one dude. And then one time, this is where I felt like we bonded in a weird way. I was like, "Hey, can I borrow your charger?" And he was like, "Of course, bro." He gave it to me and I was like, "It's a real one. It's a real one right there." - Real friends let you borrow their charger. - I'm coming back. I'm coming back, baby. - In Japan, like I said, there's a weird thing about people not wanting to let people use like,

electrical sockets or use like electricity of a business. I don't know. - It depends. - But they're just really chill about it. - I feel most of those like small bar places, they're probably- - So we're best friends now. - Yeah, I feel a lot of the small bar places, they don't really care. But if it's like,

you know, an establishment where it's like, they're trying to make money, they're trying to make this business lucrative, then they're like, oh, I mean, you could borrow my charger and, you know, put me up an extra 50 yen on my electricity bill, but you should probably order three cocktails first. It's like, okay, that doesn't seem fair, but sure. - First you wanna drink, they just don't wanna be in there.

They just want you to order a drink, drink it, get the fuck out. - I think it's just asking for any requests that's off the script of the Japanese menu. And I guess that's just true for a lot of establishments in Japan where- - A lot of them don't have menus. - Yeah. - A lot of bars are like, "What do you want?" - No, I mean like- - Yeah, bars are different. - Like asking for a request that's off what they have listed in their mental checklist of things that customers order. - Yeah, dude, if you went to a size area and you asked like, "Oh, can I borrow the charger?"

the waitress would probably be shitting herself. Like, this is not, I did not learn what to say in this situation. - You can literally see them like socially blue screen. - Yeah. - Just like, oh, once you hear that, ah, ah, ah, then you know this is blue screen. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I kind of realized how much I'd forgotten. I'd like kind of like taken just like that kind of like little thing for granted until I go to a place outside of Japan. Like I remember in Australia,

This was, I think like last year when we were flying back or something and I'd stayed like a few extra days to stay with family. I had booked, so we were in Melbourne and I had booked a plane, not from Melbourne Airport, but I did not know the difference between Melbourne Airport and I think Avalon, is that like the other?

- In Melbourne? - Yeah, in Melbourne. - I know there's two airports in Melbourne. - There's one main airport and then there's one in the fuck ton like middle of nowhere where you have to drive like two hours or some shit like. - It's a domestic airport. - Yeah, it's a domestic airport. I didn't know. I just chose an airport, right? And I didn't know that this was the shitty airport that basically only I think Jetstar or something like fly out there. And so I didn't know that.

And so what happens is I had like, I had a SIM card, which was my British SIM cards. So we could receive texts, but the data was a little bit spotty, right? - Welcome to Australia. - Yeah, welcome to Australia. So I was in this fucking Uber driving to this airport that was an hour out. We were 45, no, we were like halfway there, right? And it was the only flight flying to Sydney that day.

I don't know why. I thought there would be more flights flying to Sydney that day. And halfway to this airport, I get a text being like, "Your flight has been canceled." And I'm like, "Fuck, what am I supposed to do?" I'm like halfway to this airport.

I don't have a flight there. I know there's not gonna be any other flights there. So I've just got to go back to the city. So I like tell the Uber driver, hi, I know it's really bad, but can you turn around and drop us off back in Melbourne and we'll figure it out there. And he's like, sure. All you need to do is just add in a new destination

on the Uber app. Problem is, I got no data. I can make and receive calls, but I got no data. Yes, like welcome to the 21st century. If you don't have internet, you are fucked. And I'm like, shit, what can I do? So we saw like, I saw like fucking panicking 'cause he's like, I cannot,

I cannot change the destination on my app. You have to be the one to change the destination. So I'm like, okay, let's look for a place that might have free wifi. Not knowing, forgetting that outside of major cities, Australia- - There's no internet. - Australia is a barren wasteland that has no fucking internet. So I'm trying to look for like a rest stop or something. And we're driving for like another like 10 minutes.

- Thankfully we see a convenience store. I think it was like a 7-Eleven and I'm like, fuck, fuck, fuck. I'm hoping that like Australia is kind of like Japan or America where they have public wifi at every fucking convenience store like public. - Do they?

- No. - No, they don't. - They do in Japan. - Really? - Yeah, they do in Japan. - But I never used it. - In a lot of places. Well, you have data in Japan. - Yeah, like every parking area has free wifi. - Yeah. - I didn't know that. - Yeah, so we pull up to the 7-Eleven and I go up to the cashier, I'm like, "Mate, do you have public wifi here?" And he's like- - What's wifi? - And he's like, "Sorry, mate, we don't have wifi here." And I'm like, "Fuck."

I'm in kind of a bind right now. And like, I explained my situation and he's like, oh, no worries. I'll start tethering on my phone. I got data. I got data here. And I'm like, fuck.

- Fucking hell, I'd forgotten what this feeling was like being like, hey- - You forgot that people are helpful sometimes. - Yeah, I'm like, hey, I'm in a bind. I know I have a strange request right now, but do you have any public wifi? Because I'm kind of fucked if you don't. And he's like, don't worry, mate, I got you covered. And I'm like, shit.

This has never happened to me in Japan where I'm just in a bind and you have a request that's kind of like out of left field and people actually respond to that and we'll try to help you. - What if he just will fuck you with them? He's like, hold on, I gotta like these tweets first.

- Oh yeah, right, right, the Uber. Yeah, that's right. - So thank you, 7-Eleven person, like random 7-Eleven person in Melbourne. You saved me literally like two hours of my life just for being able to do that. - Wait, why didn't you go to the normal Apple? It's like a flight to Sydney every like two minutes. - Because when I booked it, I didn't know that there were two- - Also, why did you not ask the Uber driver if you could borrow his tether?

- I thought that's where the story was going. - That would have been faster, right? - Yeah, I thought that's where the story was going. - There was a reason why he couldn't tether and I can't remember why. - 'Cause he was driving? - Maybe, but I did ask him because I'm like, I tried to go through every engineering route to solve this issue and I can't remember the reason why he couldn't tether, but yeah, he couldn't. - Just didn't feel like it. - Maybe he was an asshole.

- I want the full charge for me going to this airport then going back. - Yeah, there was, yeah, 'cause like, I think it's really normal for some reason that flights between Melbourne and Sydney get canceled or delayed. - Well, if from regular Melbourne airport, there's like a flight that leaves every 30 minutes

So even if it does get canceled, it's not a big issue. - And me and Kai were sitting in the lounge waiting and there was like six flights in the next like three hours. And like half of them got canceled. And there was like no explanation why. And so I think ours got pushed back and it made my transfer really tight. Made it from like an hour and a half to like 30 minutes. And I was like, oh, I don't.

I don't really feel like risking it. And there's a flight coming up in like 40 minutes. And I was like, well, let's go ask if I can go on that one. And I was like, Hey, can I just go on this flight? And they were like, yeah, they were like, yeah. Oh, okay, cool. Thanks. So I went on that flight. I literally just went up and I was like, Hey, uh, I got a tight connection. Can I just go on the one that's coming up in like 20 minutes? They were like, yeah, that would never happen in Japan.

- No, fuck no, it wouldn't happen in Japan. They're like, "What did your ticket say?" I says, "Fuck no." - Yeah, it like really surprised me in Japan that you even have to like book out Shinkansen tickets. Like, and if you don't have the- - Sometimes, you know. So the Shinkansen is like split up so that like the first, I think three carts are like free. So basically if you buy a ticket for that day, you can go on any Shinkansen that takes you to your destination. It's just,

If there's a seat, you can grab the seat. If there's no seat, you have to stand up. And then the rest of it is all booked. - Yeah, that's all where all the Japan rail passes. All those get those too. So you're kind of competing against people who haven't booked and also tourists. So it's kind of tough 'cause I think the,

- On some really busy routes, it'll be very hard to get a chair. - Yeah, sometimes last minute I've gotten those tickets and like, there's been a couple of occasions where I've had to wait like a station or two to just like wait for a seat to open up. So I'm just like chilling, standing. - I've always just gone to the thing,

- Yeah. - And even if the, 'cause even if the train's in like five minutes, I'll just still get the reserved ticket. - Yeah, yeah. - 'Cause you can just get a ticket really easily and then go. - Well, sometimes during busy times of the year, there's no, you can't get reserved tickets. - Can you get a ticket really easily? I don't know. - Well, there's one trip up about the Shinkansen that kind of fucks people a lot. And it's not explained well at all. Is that you can buy the,

which is like the first part of the ticket. But then if you want to get a seat, you have to buy another ticket. And for some reason they allow you to buy the seat without buying the limited fare ticket. I think it's because of like the rail passes and stuff.

So you can ease very easily accidentally buy the ticket seat. Think that you have a ticket, go to the gate and then you won't be able to get through. And then some guy will have to awkwardly explain to you, hey, no, you got to go and buy this other ticket. - Like in actuality you've only bought half the ticket. - Yeah, I mean, Japan train system,

- Great, Japan train ticketing system. It is the- - Oh, booking anything in Japan is a shock. - It is the Dark Souls boss of getting anywhere. 'Cause I've missed, like, especially now that, you know, family and friends have come around, I've now missed like at least three like trains because,

- Because of the ticketing system. We arrive, especially in a big group. They don't know, obviously they don't know the ticketing system. And even me knowing the ticketing system and knowing there's a difference between like the limited express and the limited one. And sometimes you can buy one and not the other. Sometimes you just use Suica and not the other. I'm going up there and I'm like, there are some times where I'm like, I am wasting at least 15 to 20 minutes getting, especially if it's like a big group. You are wasting at least like 15 to 20 minutes that you have to like factor in

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I'm in boys. No worries, you can just tap in right away. - Yeah, 'cause sometimes I remember when Sid's parents were here, I booked a train and there was a group of like, at the time it was like at least like seven, seven of us.

and getting a return ticket for a train. Do you know how many fucking tickets that is? - Yeah, it's like 14 tickets. - Yeah, so like I paid for it all at once. I got like 14 fucking tickets and the receipts, right? And we had like 10 minutes being like, okay, which one?

- Which one is the one going out and which one's return and whose is who. And it doesn't give you an order either. So it is a fucking nightmare getting tickets in Japan. - Well, one thing I learned about Japan and you can maybe correct me if I'm wrong on this. There is, you do not save any money from buying a return ticket. - No. - As opposed to buying votes individually.

- Yeah, unless it's like you're coming back or going in a really busy period where like, you know, 'cause like usually during like holidays, it goes up a little bit and like, you know, depending on availability on the train sometimes like last minute tickets can go up a little bit, but like even then it's like an extra,

- Fucking 10, 20 bucks. - Yeah, so I've- - At most. - I mean, again, I could be wrong on that, but from my, so I always booked the train going out and then coming back, I just rock up and I just buy the ticket when I get there. 'Cause it's just like, I don't wanna deal with, "Oh no, my shoot over ran," or, "Oh, I finished early," or whatever. I'm just like, I'd rather just leave

- Yeah, yeah, exactly. - That's great. I love the trains. - Trains are great. As long as I don't have to deal with the ticket machine. If I don't have to deal with the ticket machine, normally it's a very, very good experience. - I like the UK trains though too. I like the open return. - I do. - It's great. You can just get a ticket, open return. You take whatever fucking train you want. And then you have one month. - The moment you said that, I got like looked over

- Listen, listen, it's not great. I think the open return is fucking sick. - It's a small thing, Joey. - The one thing about the Shinkansen, which you have to appreciate is that it's ungodly expensive. - Yeah, it is. - It's very expensive. - Sometimes it's more expensive than taking a flight. - Normally always. - Yeah, normally always. But you have the convenience on not having to travel all the way to a fucking airport and go through all that bullshit. - Yeah. - Yeah, like a one-way ticket to...

but Kyoto or Osaka is normally a hundred bucks. - Yeah, at most. - And you know, normally you can get return flights for less than that if you want to. But I mean, Osaka you should always hit the bullet train. But like, you know, if you go beyond Osaka or beyond like north of Japan, you're pretty much better off flying. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Like fucking,

Chris, one time we were going to Sapporo for a video and Chris was hell bent on taking the train there. And I was like, why are you, why you want to take the train? He's like, I just think it'd be much more enjoyable. We can get more work done. And for some reason I let him convince me into doing it. And I was like, this is some fucking shit.

- Four and a half hour train that was ungodly expensive to Hakodate. And then we had to wait around for an hour and then another hour and a half train to Sapporo. - Mind you guys, the Shinkansen does not go to Sapporo. There's like a huge distance between Sapporo and the last stop. - Meanwhile, the fucking flight, we can go to Haneda, our flight, it's like 200 bucks each way. - I can't believe Chris Kemp managed to convince you. - I can't believe he convinced me. He was pretty adamant about it. And I was like, all right, fine. And then I did it once now and I've constantly told him that I'm never ever doing that ever again.

- The only time that Shinkansen is worth it is if you're actually going to Hakodate. - Hakodate is chill 'cause you can get like, the one thing I always tell people to experience if they want to splurge a little bit, 'cause it's by far the best route to do it. 'Cause the trains in Japan, they're run by two different companies. One that goes west towards,

like Osaka, Kyoto, and one that goes north, but they're not called north and west, it's split. - It's the JR East, JR West. - But the Shinkansens they use are different in each area. So they're like, I think Kyushu has one or two Shinkansens that they're like their own version, there's not much difference. But the north one, they have the grand class, which is like really bougie and fancy. And you pay like an extra a hundred bucks

but you get like your own server on the train and drinks and stuff. So when like- - So basically business class of Shinkansen. - Pretty much. So when like Ludwig and some of the odd boys came, I was like, yeah, you should try it. 'Cause we're going to Hagodate. - Yeah. - We may as well try it. We basically had the whole cart to ourself and you get the food and this train and it was nice. It was good. I just forgot my headphones. So it was four and a half hours- - Of silence.

- I can't believe I have to talk to my friends. - No, no, no, no, they all had headphones. - Have fun in your silent solace. They're gonna listen to this. - You did the equivalent of forgetting to bring your phone when you're about to take a shit.

- What do I do now? - What do I do with my life? - So, you know, that was great. But I, you know, if you wanna splurge a bit of money, you just get it one way. It's kind of, it's a fun experience to try. And the chairs are very nice. - Have you ever been on any of those like fancy trains in Japan? Like- - Well, you went on the sleeper train, right? - Yeah. - How's the sleeper train? - That's not fucking fancy. Shit. - It's a bed. - It's shit.

It's not worth it. - What was better, the tour bus or the sleeper train? - Tour bus, 100%. - Are you serious? - No, no, no, no doubt. Bro, you have to bear in mind, like the sleeper train, the worst part about the sleeper train is that

At least the one I got, I could have chose a better route, but it was, first of all, impossible to book. Impossible. You cannot fathom how shit this website is. This is the single shittest website I've ever seen in my life. It does not work flat out. And then-

I had to get two Japanese people to help me figure out this goddamn website. And it took all three of us fucking around on this website, trying different inputs to get this thing to work. Because if you put one wrong input, you have to go all the way back. You can't press the back button. You have to restart all the inputs, type the station. You have to say the exact time you want. So you can't look at all the trains. You have to put a time in. And if there's not a train at that time, nothing will show up. It won't say, hey, by the way, in two hours is another train.

- Which is insanity. It's insane. - So you just have to know what time the train is. - Yeah, and then on top of that, it's all booked out constantly 'cause train attackers in Japan run it. They run the show. You don't have a chance of competing against them. - Sure.

And then, so it will tell you like, hey, there's free carts in this train on this website. And you click it and then you open it and it'll say there's no carts. And you're like, what? And it'll be like luxury, normal, standard. And then it'll say like all sold out. But then you click on like the X where it says it's all sold out and you open a dropdown menu and it'd be like, oh, but there is two. And it's like, what?

This is psychotic. This doesn't make any sense. So I went into it with like that knowing I had to go through all that just to get on the train. And then you get on the train and we got on at like 11:00 PM and then at 5:00 AM or 6:00 AM, they start just blasting the announcements of all the stations. And so it's kind of hard to get any sleep and you gotta get off the train at like eight. So you're on this train at 11. Ideally you're not shooting a video like we were and you're in bed right away.

but even then it's small, it's cramped, it's kind of hot and stuffy. - Right. - The bus was way better.

- That was air conditioned. - I will say the one really, really cool thing about the sleeper train and it is the best part about it is that like just lying down and like waking up and then having this awesome window you can just watch through is really cool for like the two hours of sunlight you get. - Yeah, I can understand why there is kind of like a train culture in Japan. Like not just like, you know, train culture. - I'll take my coffee by the way.

- Okay, we'll take the coffees now. Give me my desserts. - They arrived and I just wanted to fuck around and find out. - I ordered the oat milk one, right? - Don't worry guys, they're cold. They're not gonna- - This doesn't count towards one of the coffees I'm drinking, even though it definitely is a coffee. But no, like I've only had like, I would say a,

I wouldn't call it like a positive train experience, but like, I kind of like a aha moment where train rides can be really like, kind of like a really cool experience. And the only time I've had that is in Japan.

Because to me, like trains have always been kind of like cars. They're like a tool to get me from point A to point B. - Also, I mean, going from Brighton to London was one of the somehow shittest journeys. - Oh, it was fucking shit. - So I think that also doesn't help the fact that you had to always do that. - Yeah. - That was a terrible journey. - Yeah. - I don't like that train. - Yeah. But, you know, me and Sydney had a little bit of like a vacation in like the Izu prefecture recently. And to get to the Izu prefecture, we use the train and the train goes all around the coastline of like,

of like Southern Japan. And it is the most beautiful train ride I've liked. - Is that the romance car? - That is not the romance car goes to Hakone. - Oh, that goes to Hakone, doesn't it? - Yeah, the romance car goes- - Kishi's got loads of that too. - Yeah. - 'Cause all the trains go on the outskirts. - Yeah, and like it happens to be like a fucking beautiful day in the summer, not the summer, in spring before it was like too fucking hot. And you just saw like the mountains and the seaside and I'm like, holy shit.

This is so fucking beautiful. And I get to experience this just like going from point A to point B, you know? I'm like, and then it was on this train ride that we saw like, we saw this fucking Hogwarts-esque looking train on this like on the train track go past us. And we're like, what the fuck is that? I've known what it's called, but there is like a specific train. - An SL. - Sorry? - An SL.

- What's an SL? - Like the fucking steam line or something. Like it's the steam trains, right? - There's a few luxury trains. - Yeah, yeah. - We're trying to get on them. It's impossible. - Yeah, it's kind of like one of these like luxury trains. It looks like it's like come straight out of Hogwarts.

It doesn't look like any of like the modern trains that you see. And we just saw like a bunch of people just having a meal and just, it's kind of like those old like railway trains you see in like the like early America where, you know, old like old tycoon type people just sit down and just like be served at high class meal and stuff like that. - Slaves, get me another meal please. - But yeah, I didn't know those services exist in Japan.

And we looked into it and there are a lot. - Yeah, there's a ton. - There's one in Hokkaido that Chris went on, on Journey Across Japan. And it was like, it was just one train that runs for that day across like the central Hokkaido and the seats are fucking impossible to get. From the outside, it's straight up just looks like a Hogwarts train. - Yeah. - Like people always like, oh man, I want to go on this train. I'm like, good luck. You can't compete against these train otakus.

Again, like I said, they run it. - Yeah, they keep running. - They know more than you, they care more than you, they're on the website, they know exactly when it's going up. You are not out competing these guys. Lord knows I've goddamn tried. I've been trying to get tickets to go on the Kyushu one for ages.

And I just, not only is that website again, terrible and impossible to navigate. - Maybe that's the barrier. - It is, but I got a friend to call them up and they were like, "Yeah, we will release information about tickets soon."

Didn't say when, didn't say shit. Of course the train attackers know when it's going up. Somehow they always know. 'Cause they got like friends and they're telling each other. - They got like a newsletter going on. - Yeah, yeah, it's like the inner circle. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I'm like, I can't. It's unfair, let me ride the goddamn train. I wanna go on the seven stars in Kyushu. - You're not a train attacker though. - I'm not, I'm not. - You're not fit for it. - Dude, I realized that like that built there 'cause presumably, you know, the sleeper train,

There's like multiple every day. And we were at one at like 11:50 PM. And it was like the paparazzi came out to watch these two trains dock. It's crazy. There was like 40 people with DSLRs going like,

I've watched these two trains just like dock like this. And then everyone's like, oh. - A couple of them definitely nodded when they saw that. It's like, oh! - This was doujin to them. - I don't need porn, I just need to see these two trains dock. - It was bizarre. I remember watching a YouTube video in Japan about this. I think it was Seven Stars and Q-Shoes as well. And there's just a guy

- He made his own fan club for the train. - Oh, for fuck sake. - Did a Mozzie bite me on the lip? - Yeah. - Yeah. - For fuck sake.

- Wait, did this just happen? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This just happened. I've been scratching it and I'm like, why is a bump just appeared on my lip? I don't think it was there at the beginning of this episode. We can check the footage. - I think it's just been forming. I haven't noticed. - Yeah. - For fuck's sake. - That's gonna be there the whole episode. - This guy had made a one person fan club for like this train. - What, one person? - Well, I think he would rock up to every time the train would leave. - Yeah.

- I just had a rubber band that flew somewhere and we're in. - That's right though. - So he would turn up every single time the train departed with like a banner and stuff and be there and I'm like- - Saying like train fan club, it's just him. - And I'm like, man, that's, I wish I got that much joy from just seeing a train. - I wish, I'm always so fascinated with that. - I'm so jealous of them. - Yeah, I've always just been curious. - I want to get into something. You know, I feel like,

- It's cool to have like one weird kind of like passion and hobby that you just like, I don't know. - I just don't know how, and I wish I knew the mechanics of the brain of how the joy works there. - That's what I wanna know. - How does seeing this train leave the station every time just make you happy?

I wanna know. - But those same guys are probably looking at us, you know, shitting ourselves with the chainsaw man, being like, what's there to get excited about? - Yeah, or maybe they're gonna think like going down drinking, that's so weird. - Yeah, what the fuck? - I understand that. - Did you never go through a train phase when you were like a kid? - Yeah, I did. - No. - What?

- Everyone loves trains as a kid. Are you kidding me? - I had like a PC game that my uncle bought me and it came with like- - You had Pokemon, right? You guys had Pokemon. - Yeah, yeah. - How the fuck could trains compete with Pokemon? - This is before I started playing Pokemon. - This is pre-Pokemon. This is before, like I had just gotten like, like image permanence or like whatever it was called. - I was like two or three. - How the fuck do you remember anything from that? No way you remember two or three year old memories. - I remember my dad or mom had this like-

- It was a PC game and it was like a train, like Shinkansen simulator game that came with like a periphery of like the controls for the train. And I remember playing that as like a two or three year old being like, I'm gonna be a train conductor. - Some of my earliest memories are trains. I don't know why.

- Like, I don't know why, but like- - Man's greatest invention. - Okay, okay, okay. Actually, yeah. What are some of like your earliest memories that you can remember? What's like the first memory you ever formed that you can remember? - I have this memory my mom loves to bring it up to people. - Okay. - I think we were playing one time, me and my brother were playing with like a wooden train set. Very like old style thing. - Uh-huh.

And I don't know what happened, but there was this like, there was a tunnel. - So you weren't into trains, you played train set. - I was playing with trains. What do you mean bro? You were just given trains to play. I was not into them. I was not like mother- - But you remember it. - You remember it bro. - Only 'cause my mom kept bringing this up for the rest of my life.

There was, you know, they had like a tunnel, a wooden tunnel that would go over the train track. And I'm sitting there like,すごい, the train disappeared. And then it came back out. Whoa. It was like an isekai. Yeah. And I think-

- My older brother had knocked my train over. And so my response was to just grab this wooden tunnel and just slam him in the head with it. And my mom just thought, "Oh my God, what is wrong with this kid? He's so violent."

- So that was how I got into doom. - That's when I went past my train phase. - Yeah, I skipped the train phase, went to my violent phase. - And then also another core memory I have from my young days, I think I was very, very young. I think I've told this story on Trash Taste, I might have. We have one of those punching bags. Have I told the story? I think I have, right?

- It's a punching bag filled with like water or sand at the bottom. - Oh yes, yes. And it came back and smacked you in the face? - No, no, close. I was punching it as a kid. And I was punching it and I was like, "Ha ha, yeah, yeah." Punching it, it goes back up, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm laughing and my mom screams. It turned out my thumb had been all the way backwards from me punching it.

- I think I told this story. - I think you told this story, yeah. - I just had this cool memory of me looking at my hand and going like, "Aah!" Like a "Home Alone" fucking skit. I can't remember how it got back. - What's your earliest memory? - Well, I think I've already said my earliest memory on "Trash Taste," which is getting stung in the eye by a bee. - Oh yeah. - That was a cool memory and I'll never forget the pain of that. - That's just trauma. - Yeah, that's just trauma. But aside from that, like some cool memories,

that are like the earliest memory are literally to do with trains. It was so such a simple joy because there would be a train crossing. - Yes, it is very interesting, isn't it? - Yeah, there'll be like a train crossing on the drive home from like,

to like my house. And I think my dad would purposely like, I think before I had like real image permanence, I'm pretty sure, I'm pretty sure my dad would drive around in circles because it just like, because I just have this cool memory of like being on the crossing. And it's already, I was for some reason, I was always at the front of the crossing and my dad's like, "Train coming, train." And then I was like,

It's almost like my neurons were just forming because every time I saw a train, I would go, "Train, train, train." See it disappear and then just be like, I can't remember what happened afterwards. Like the train, like all my core memory is just seeing a train appear, seeing it disappear, then I don't remember what came next, you know?

- But I remember this happening so many fucking times when I was a kid. So it's almost like just like seeing a train as a kid, just fired up neurons in my brains. This is how I gained image. - I like to have this like a part of Garnt's mind being in his thirties now, just every time he sees a train just in his head, he's just like train.

- Maybe some people just never grew out of that. - That's what train otakus are bro. - Yeah, yeah, that's it. - They are that kid where at the age of three, they're going train, train. At the age of 30, they're going train, train. - It's like that monkey with like the neuron activation like sign. That's what happens when they see train, just like neurons activating. - You gotta have that thing. Everyone's gotta have a thing.

- What do you mean? - Gotta have a thing. - A thing. - Everyone's gotta have a thing. Like a thing they like. - Of course they do. It's called a hobby, right? - Yeah. - And some people's trains. - Yeah. - Simple as that.

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- Another cool memory I have, I remember the first time I saw a rainbow actually. That's a, I don't know why that was a- - Double rainbow. - Double rainbow. - All the way. - I remember the exact point I saw my first rainbow. And that was, I think happened right after I saw a train. - It was a train with a rainbow on top. It was magical.

- All my earliest core memories revolve around trains. - My three year old teacher perfect moment. - I think things set on trains are inherently cool. - I think so. - Something cool about being on a train. - There is. - Yeah, something, I don't know, as a kid, there's something just fascinating about trains and like fucking

like ambulances and fire engines. - I know for a fact, at least for me, because like where I grew up, we had no fucking trains whatsoever. Our closest train station was like a 30 to 35 minute drive away, right? So just the concept of trains to me, just in my local area was just unheard of. So I think that's why as a kid, I got so into trains because there was that disparity between being in Australia, not ever going on a single fucking train to going to Japan where every day you were on a train. So like having a childhood like that for me just made me be like,

- Yeah, trains are sick, bro. Exit on the right side will open? Hell yeah, say it again, please. - Did you ever like fire engines, fire trucks as a kid? - Just the engine. - Just the engine? - Who the fuck is this episode gonna be? - I don't know. - It's like diapers? - I'm just okay. - I'm like mother, bring me another.

- Helicopters. - Like mother, I shattered one, bring me another. - Actually though, I don't know. I'm just trying, I guess I'm trying to psychoanalyze myself. Be like, why the fuck did so many kids I know, including me, just like fire trucks? - If you like fire trucks, 90% probably you'll buy.

- So my experience with a firetruck was when we were, I think like first or second grade, we had like a school excursion when we went to like a fire department to learn about like fire safety and shit. I'm pretty sure most schools go through this shit. But that was the first time like I had seen a firetruck and they were like, you can hold the hose if you want. And I was just like, I can't.

- Joe's like, "I already got hers." - Yeah, I don't know. As a kid- - I have Ivorians. - Yeah, I don't know. As a kid, a fucking vehicle where that spouts out water, fights fire, and makes a wee-woo, wee-woo, wee-woo sound. Is there anything fucking cooler? Maybe helicopter. I will say, yeah. - Helicopter. - Helicopter. - Helicopter, okay. - I remember my sister when she was like four years old for a school presentation. She was like, "What do you wanna be when you grow up?" And she's like, "I wanna be a fire truck."

- Not a firefighter. - No, because it was in Japanese and like firefighter is and firetruck is . So she accidentally said, I wanna be a firetruck. And we all thought like, you fucking idiot. - Maybe she just wanted to be Optimus Prime. - She's like, I wanna be that. Whatever that is. - Sam, the all spark. - Have you noticed that in Japan,

- People like the fire trucks and ambulances are way too polite. - How so? - Like- - 'Cause they're like over the intercom, they signal you. - They're like, "Oh, see my thing, can you-" - And they're like, "Ah, . - And like, yeah, yeah, like they're really slow about it. In America, I feel like they're like balls to the wall, get the fuck out of here. - They're like, "If you get hit, it's your fault." - Same in the UK, I feel like people are way too slow to get out of the way here for them.

- Everyone's very cautious. - I would say so. - I guess that everything and we don't want many more. - Well, yeah, 'cause I see sometimes how slow some of these like ambulances and fire trucks are like, you know, cutting through red lights and shit. I'm like, is there really,

"Is there really an emergency happening? Or did you just wanna like get home quickly?" - I think it's an emergency, Joey. - 'Cause sometimes they're going slower than regular cars on a green light. So I'm like, "Are you like in a hurry at all? Or like, is this building just like gone at this point now and you just like come into the after clean up? Like what's going on? I feel like you should be in a little bit more of a hurry, especially ambulances. Oh my God. - Yeah, they feel so slow. - It's so slow.

- Would not wanna be in the middle of nowhere. - Yeah, I mean, I feel bad whenever, when I lived in Thailand and it was like gridlocked traffic and then I'd hear the ambulance and I'd be like,

Rest in peace. - They are long dead. - I'm sitting here in traffic and people are trying their best to make way for this ambulance, but there is, I mean, there are already like four lanes in this road and there are five lanes of cars in this road. There is no space for the cars to move. - I think it'd just be quicker for the paramedics to run over, you know? - Yeah, just like, "Out of the way!"

Honestly, it would definitely be quicker. So cars are moving out the way, but it's like, it is still snail's pace. I've seen fire trucks try to get through traffic in Bangkok as well. And I'm like, that is ashes. - They need to put like bulldozers on the front of them.

- Just like slanted ramps. - Just like, you're moving. You don't have a choice. - I feel like they'd have a better chance just hiring an army of like motorcycles with like buckets of water than one fire engine to drive through like Bangkok traffic. - Just deploy the helicopter man. - If your car got bulldozed out of the way,

- Everyone would move. - I mean, they wouldn't have a choice. - They'd start Tetris-ing cars in the street. They'd be like, "Guys, park in here." "Oh, the L-shaped car?" "Oh, we're not gonna sell." - Getting out of there. - Pretty changing topics though. Have you ever fallen out of love with, let's say a hobby or something you like because of a fan base? Because...

- Anime. - Just anime. - I'm just kidding. - Yeah. I wouldn't say fallen out of love. I would definitely say like not be as vocal about it. It's probably the more correct way to say it. - I am getting to a breaking point now because

- Motherfucking One Piece fans, man. I don't know when this is started to happen because to me, like when I grew up with One Piece, One Piece was always like the least popular. - Like a sleeper hit. - Yeah, the sleeper one out of like Bleach and Narrow. - It was the most chill out of the beat, sorry.

One Piece fans were like the most chill. Cause everyone was like, yo Naruto, yo Bleach. And One Piece fans are like, yo, we actually have a good show. Just ignore the art style. Don't worry, it's a really good story. Just get to it.

- At this current point in time, I feel like One Piece fans are becoming the new Dragon Ball fans. And by the time this episode is getting released, I am going to hazard the guess that they have fully transformed into the new Dragon Ball fans. - You know why that happened though? Because there's no Naruto and bleach equivalent to keep them humble. - I think whenever a show hits a level of popularity, it just happens though. - Yeah, I mean, there's,

It is a level of popularity, but I feel like they are getting...

so fucking insufferable now. And I feel like a lot of this is around the, I mean, this is probably the most spoiled fucking thing in any popular media because guys, did you know that, you know, gear five exists and it's like the anime of that episode is like coming out soon. I would like to keep it light on spoilers, but I've seen fucking massive exhibits of just like this new Luffy form that they've just built. And I'm just like, are people not even trying anymore?

- The anime exhibit thing in Japan, they just don't give a fuck. Because they assume that everyone who's coming to these exhibits

just has caught up on everything. I remember first thing we ever talked about in this podcast, episode one, I remember I was talking about going to the Attack on Titan exhibit. That feels like a fucking decade ago. But I remember I went there, I'm not a manga reader for Attack on Titan, anime only, final season hadn't even come out yet. And I was like, "Oh, there's an Attack on Titan exhibit. Let's go check it out." I went, I got spoiled to shit because they literally show every single, like up to the latest chapter in a frame. And I'm just like,

- Well, great. I just got fucking spoiled. - I guess that's like me going to like Van Gogh museum and be like, fuck, you made another piece? Fuck. - That's like going to the Van Gogh museum and be like, fuck, he's dead? - Fuck. - What? He's not alive? - He cut his own ear off? - What the fuck? That's like me going to the Vinland Saga exhibit and I'm like, what, the Wiki spoiled everything? The Wiki spoiling what happens to Thorfinn? What's going on? - People being like, dude, don't spoil Oppenheimer.

- I don't know what happened. - Guys, did you know a bomb explodes at the end of Oppenheimer? Didn't see it. - Didn't know they made a sequel that's coming out. - Oppenheimer 2. - No, but like, yeah, like my Twitter has just been like un-fucking-bearable recently. And a lot of that is just to do with One Piece fans. - They're spoiled. They got too much good shit. - Yeah. - And I'm sitting here being like,

I am a One Piece fan. I love One Piece. It's one of my favorite anime series of all time. And now I'm just like, fuck I don't wanna like One Piece. I don't wanna be associated with- - It hasn't reached levels of Rick and Morty though, right? - I think it's getting there. I think it's getting there. Okay, I literally saw a tweet this morning that was literally like,

it was like part of like the paneling of like gear five. And there is like this one panel of something that Luffy does. And it's not like a double page spreader. It's like something in the background that Luffy does in this form. And they're like, this is how this power works. He isn't just doing X. He is literally like,

adjusting the molecules of his bodies to do this. And I'm like motherfucking One Piece fan when they see one panel and they call Oda like God, you know what I mean? Like Luffy taking a fucking shit. This is like foreshadowing to like an arc that came five arcs later. I'm like, oh my fucking God. - I'm waiting for the One Piece. I'm waiting for the One Piece scale, power scaling videos. - I guess that's what happens though when you have such a long running show with so many,

or mentions of prior information is that you start to think like he's got it all figured out. - Yeah. - Well, that's exactly what happened. - I'm sure there's a good chunk of what Oda writes where he just makes it the fuck up on the spot. - Well, that's exactly what happened with like Naruto and Bleach as well. Like it went on for so long that people just started to come up with these like crazy fan theories that neither of the creators ever,

you know, said was legit. - Yeah. - And then you just have people like shitting all over the fan base because they're just so hyperactive. - Yeah. - And it's just like a never ending spiral. And now I feel One Piece has gone to the point again, because there's no season, at least in the general consensus that is on par or even above One Piece that is as long running as One Piece. So now they're just in like an unstoppable mode. They're like, yeah. - I also think though as well, we're probably in a time where we see a lot more negativity on social media in general. - Oh, of course.

more right now, like about retreat culture. So I think it's probably a mixture of that. Like One Piece getting more hype, but then also social media websites rewarding more dunking or controversial takes. - It's all just like, I guess like sensationalized, you know? Because like people are just like, you know, by the time this is released, obviously the "Gear 5" episode is going to be released. - Spoilers.

- Half of my- - Nobody got time for the goddamn anime. - Huh? - Nobody got time for that anime, bro. It's too long. - Half the people calling this like, half my timeline in terms of like One Piece has just been, "This is already the most iconic transformation in anime of all time. Dragon Ball fans are dead.

don't worry, Dragon Ball's time is over. Gear 5 Luffy is better than Super Saiyan Goku. And I'm just like, what? Can you not like something without dunking on something else? Is that just not like, is that not like a possibility here? - Yeah, but I mean, Dragon Ball fans were already doing that to their own fan base when like Super Saiyan Blue came out and everyone was like, yo, this is the pinnacle. Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 3 eat shit compared to this. - Yeah, I guess I thought One Piece fans were better.

- I thought they were more civilized than Dragon Ball fans. - I thought we were more civilized. Motherfuckers just can't like something. Like, did you see like- - No, it's probably all the Dragon Ball fans that were like, "I'm not gonna watch Super anymore." "Hey, One Piece though."

and they just migrated over to the One Piece fandom. It's the same fandom. - Yeah, 'cause I saw like Charlie got like a lot of at least heat on Twitter, which I know is not real heat, but you know, it's Twitter people being Twitter people. But it just like blows my mind where he came out to be like, "I finally like One Piece." You know, Charlie, most critical, finally likes One Piece. He just doesn't like Luffy. - Okay.

a lot of people just absolutely hated him for that. And I'm like, "How could you not like the main character?" - I think for like half, at least a good chunk of the star, Luffy is the worst character. - Yeah. I mean, Luffy is- - I mean, he's just like, he's just like Gon, but like if Gon never grew up.

- I think Luffy has his own charms as like a protagonist, but he's not my favorite character in One Piece. But I can understand as a One Piece fan why someone would not like, you know, would not be the biggest fan of Luffy. You know, I see someone like Charlie being like, I'm finally liking One Piece. And I see that, I get excited. - That's a dub.

I'm like, this is a fucking dub. Fuck yeah. You don't like Luffy? Okay, understandable. Have a nice day. But yo, "Water 7," "Ennis Lobby," fuck yeah. - There's plenty of other characters you can fall in love with. - And then I see like a lot of "One Piece" fans being like, fuck, fuck Charlie. - He's not a real "One Piece." - He doesn't like "One Piece" the right way. And I'm like, oh, fuck. - Like shut the fuck up, bro. - Motherfucker. - Shut the fuck up. - This is pissing me off so much.

I don't know. It's one thing that I've noticed and one thing where, you know, there's been a few instances where I've liked something and the fan base has just made it a lot harder to like it as well. - So are you convinced now or are you contemplating to say that you're not a One Piece fan anymore?

- Because of that? - I'm not that, I'm not there yet. 'Cause I do still really, really fucking like "One Piece." It's still fucking great. - But you're not gonna be as vocal about it. - I'm thinking about it. I'm thinking. - That's what happened with me, dog. - It's like, there was a good two seasons of "Rick and Morty" before you couldn't call yourself a fan of "Rick and Morty." - I still enjoy "Rick and Morty" even though it's kinda ass.

I have fun with it. - It's fine. Do you think the quality has actually gotten worse or do you think it's purely perception? - I think it has gone worse.

But it was so good at its peak that I think that it being worse than that is still a compliment as its quality is still good. - Yeah. - Like I'll take that over whatever the fuck Family Guy is. But I also- - Yeah, of course. - 'Cause I feel like, I don't know, we don't get a lot of dark humor animated stuff. - Yeah. - And you know, sometimes the stuff on Adult Swim is just a little too surreal or a bit weird for me. - Yeah. - And I'm like, I don't know, so maybe.

It's a little too odd for me. And so it's nice to have something like that. And I feel like it's polished. It's okay. It's fine. It's okay to watch. - One thing I thought about recently was talking about things that like fell off. Is it just a me thing or has Pixar kind of fallen off? - I think it's not so much they've fallen off. I think it's just the matter of we just grew up and we're not really hearing about it. - Do you think their films are less good? - Name the best recent film they've made.

- Is Coco Pixar? Or is that Dreamworks? - That's Pixar. - That's Pixar, right? That was a good movie. - How many movies do you think they've released after Coco? - I wanna guess two. - I think it's like four or five. - What the fuck? They're full of them. - Confirmed. Nevermind, scratch that. How many have they, wait, Coco came out in 2017.

- 2017, 18, 19, something like that. It was before the pandemic, right? - It was 2017. - What the fuck? - How many films are really, I'm pretty sure they released like a- - How many? How many have they done since "Coco" to now? I know they did one recently, which was a massive flop. - Dude, well, yeah, I mean, this is like, have you guys- - Disney have been having flops as well. - Yeah, yeah, 'cause do you remember back in the day when we were growing up, pretty much every Pixar movie just became like a classic, you know?

Everyone looks at shit like Toy Story, Monsters Inc, The Incredibles, fucking Ratatouille, Up. There's a reason why they still get memed to this day. It's because they've stayed within our collective consciousness, right? Because that's how important. You could normally tell, this is the new way to tell if something is a classic or not. How often does it still get memed? Years after its release. Breaking Bad, you know? That still gets memed and shit like that.

You don't see any Game of Thrones memes anymore. That just shows. - How many? - Only 23. - What? - No way. - Wait, since Coco, there's been 23 Pixar films? - Since 2017, 2018, yeah. - Can you name all of them?

Oh yeah! I completely forgot about that film! Holy shit! Can you name all the films they've released? Turning Red, Elemental, Ciao Alcantara, Spark Story, Nona, 20-something, Luke 22 vs. Earth, Burrows, Soul, Out, Onward, Loop, Wind, Float, Joy Story 4, and...

- That's a "Toy Story 4"? - Yeah, it sucks. - Yeah, they fell off. - What the fuck? - The only one I recognized from there was "Toy Story 4" and that movie sucked.

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- Well, I remember. - Okay, yeah, the film. - I remember, you know, how hyped- - You thought they released two films. - That's what it felt like to me. I was like, it was Toy Story 4 and something. - Maybe they should have released just two bangers. - Yeah, maybe they should have done. I don't know what happened with them because-

Like I said, a lot of their films to me are classics. I'm trying to figure out when exactly they fell off. Like what was their falling off moment? - I think it's hard to, they've had a lot more competition, you know, "Illumination." - Yeah. - They're crushing it right now. - Is "Illumination" competition?

- They made the Mario movie. - Yeah, I know. - Do you know how fucking profitable the Minions movies were? - I'm not talking about profitability here. I'm talking about the art of filmmaking, Joey. - No one fucking cares about level, come on. No one's looking at a limited issue being like, "This is a masterpiece." - Let's be real.

- Popular animated piece of media in like the past 10 years is fucking Minions. - Don't say that to me. Don't say that. Don't say that. This is the reality. - I remember the good old days where people looked at Toy Story and Incredibles and Monsters Inc. And those were the peaks that everyone talked about. - Minions, for better or worse, they crush.

So they've been doing that and then obviously the Mario movie and now there's the other talks about the Zelda movie or whatever. And then also DreamWorks is kind of doing okay sometimes. It's the classic DreamWorks formula of one banger movie followed by one dog shit movie. They always do this because they released Puss in Boots, which was, have you guys watched it? - No. - Fuck, Puss in Boots is so good. - Yeah, the second one, right? - It's insane. I don't even watch the first. The second one's so fucking good.

It's so, you don't need to watch this. - You didn't watch the first one? Do you know how much context you missed out Connor? - Fuck off. - This is like when John Wick said yeah. - No, no. - And you missed the context. - It's not when John Wick said yeah. You got excommunicado and you wouldn't know that 'cause you didn't watch the fucking movie. - You did not get excommunicado. The point is that Puss in Boots 2 is an absolute fucking masterpiece. And then they released Teenage Kraken.

- What? - Teenage Kraken. - What is this, Kraken in a teenage form? - It's shit, just don't watch it. - Okay. - You know who else I think kind of fell off? - Who? - Ghibli.

- Oh, they released their new movie. They didn't release anything about it except for a poster. - They released one poster for it and that was their entire marketing. I've heard it's like good, but I don't fucking know anything about it 'cause they never fucking promoted it. And then the last couple of movies before then were just like, eh, whatever. - I know it's me. - Can't fall off if you never fell on. - Yeah. - I know this new Jimmy movies is-

- I'm about to be that one piece fan. - This is a meh movie. I know it because everyone's like, yeah, it's good. It's a little weird. Unless you know it's meh. 'Cause they're saying it's weird. - Yeah, I mean, sure. - 'Cause I feel like Ghibli always struggles with like,

- Yeah, like to me if it's just like a Ghibli movie, I'm just like without Miyazaki, that's how you know. - No, it's got him involved. - Ghibli has, sorry? - It's got him involved with it. - Yeah, he came back out of retirement for the 57th time. - No, no, no, no, what I'm saying is as like a animation studio, especially, I'm not, obviously I've said this before, I've never really been a big fan of Ghibli movies,

- Especially Ghibli movies without Miyazaki, holy shit. - No, that's not true. There's a couple of like Yonebayashi films that are actually really, really good. Like when "Mani" was there, I fucking cried to that. That was a great film. That was no Miyazaki whatsoever. And then there are some Miyazaki films where I'm like, this is shit. - Yeah, "Tenro" sucks. I think that's boring as shit. - Yeah, but you didn't grow up with it.

- That's why. - What is this, like the fucking trains of- - The trains of movies? - I watched "Pruited Away" for the first time at Ludwigs house. It was all right. - How was it? - Yeah, it was all right. It was all right, right?

- 'Cause like I watched it and I was like, yeah, it's all right. And everyone was like, did you get all the metaphors for all this stuff? I'm like, how the fuck was I supposed to get any of this shit? You know how much weird shit was in that film? Do you know how much weird stuff this man, this man was huffing something when he made this film. - No, it's just not enough high, it's just not enough IQ. - I guess I just didn't understand everything. I didn't understand that the, I mean, I understood that the pollution was bad 'cause- - You didn't watch enough "Rick and Morty" or "Ike" for "Kyanoff." - Yeah, fuck, fuck.

It's just always so weird, man. I do find it fascinating and I'm glad that these movies exist where it's like PG but fucked up. It's like every Ghibli movie is like, yeah, it's just family friendly. - Yeah. - It's family friendly. - I wouldn't say "Princess Mononoke" is family friendly. - Yeah, but I feel like a lot of the films, like "House" is like, yeah, it's a fun movie.

- It's fun. - It's not. It is not. - And because the trailers could easily sell it. It's like, Hal's got a castle that moves. Oh boy, it's an adventure. And then it's like- - He's got a talking flame and a body. - Yeah. - He's a scarecrow. - And they make him breakfast sometimes. And then you get into the second half of the film, it's like war crimes. Oh, okay. All right, guys. - Man is melting in his room. - Yeah, it's fucked. - This is a family friendly movie.

I'm like, what the fuck? Why are we going with this? - The fact that Spirited Away exists and I think it's, I mean, me watching any Ghibli movie. - I like it. - I do like it as well. It's kind of like me watching any like, you know, kind of like any Oscar bait kind of like nominated video, nominated film where I'm like, critically, I'm like, this is fucking incredible. Personally, like personal attachment, I'm like, eh.

- Yeah, I watched, I don't think it was, maybe it was Oscar bait. It felt like it. 1913, did you watch that? The war movie? Is it 1917? No, 1913. - Is that the one by Christopher Nolan? - No. - Okay. - I don't think so. - That's "Dunker." - That's "Dunker." - Oh yeah. That's, yeah. - You know the one about where they were like, "It's all in one shot." - It's 1917, yeah. - 1917. - Yeah. - "It's all one shot." And it was just like, I actually think I would prefer it if it wasn't all one shot.

and it was kind of weird 'cause you always, I don't know, it felt like a thing that was like, 'cause it also released at peak Oscar season and it just felt like it was trying to get the motion picture award for best cinematography. - Why is that always the case? - It won everything. - Yeah. Do you think directors sit in a circle and are just like, "Guys, I want to make a movie that is going to get awards

- World War II, okay. I swear to God, every World War II movie is just like- - It's always war film, human drama. There's no other genres allowed. - Maybe there's a story in World War II we haven't told yet. - I think it's just a lot of people, especially the older people, have very strong feelings about it. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - I think people are either very proud or have some kind of,

I think there's a lot to tap into there that makes for really compelling stories. - Yeah, there is. - Is it easy to phone it in? Yeah, but it's like, I think to people alive today, there's no other event that is like that big and- - When are we getting the pandemic? That's what I want. - Well, that's not gonna be good though, is it? It's gonna be shit. - Oh, what if it's done in one cut?

- It'll turn into a political thing. I think like "Waldor 2" is not a political. - Wow, I guess we're- - It's pretty, I don't know man. It's pretty fucking political. - Wait, hold up. Hold up a second there, Connor. - In terms of like, in terms of like, in terms of like- - There's a bunch of people fighting, isn't it? - Well, no, no, no. Like if you come from America, you come from America, you're generally on,

you're all on the same side of thought that it was, you know, we won, good job Oz, well done, pat on the back. What I'm trying to say is like pandemic, they'd be like, the Republicans would be like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

- Just saying possibly like the big, one of the biggest wars in all of human history. - No, I mean, it was not political. - That encapsulated most of the countries in the world was not political. - The modern day outlook of looking at the war is not a very controversial political take. - It's more like a yay us. - Yay we won. We beat the bad guys. Let's celebrate. Let's make 15 movies about Saving Private Ryan.

you know and so I think that's you know but that's why a lot of the really interesting movies are ones that look taken on a perspective of maybe other sides or maybe ones that

- A set in really interesting periods during the war. - Well, it's also like the interesting debate of, you look at something like world war and you say it's like not political and stuff like that. - Well, not how we- - No, no, no, in like the modern lens, I get what you're trying to say. But I guess the older I've gotten, the more I've kind of realized that the way that history was taught in school

is very, very different depending on which side you're on and which country you were born in, right? Politics and the way we look back as history is written by whoever like tells it, whoever it's- - As the saying goes, history is written by the victor. - Yeah, history is written by the victors. - Well, that's why like, for example, one war film or I guess a set of war films that I always thought was like kind of underappreciated was the,

the Clint Eastwood war film where he told it, he made two different movies from two different sides. So like the Japanese one was the "Letters to Iwo Jima" film. And then the English one was all quite on the Western front, I think.

- No, no, that's a different one. It's a, what the fuck was it? It was the other one told from the perspective of the American side of things. But like, I feel though that was really cool because it's like you got a separate films that specifically, you know, shown a light on both sides of the war. And then after you realize you watch those two films, it's like, oh, no one was the winner. Everyone got fucked up. Everyone was the culprit. And like, I feel war movies need to do that a little bit more just so it's like,

it's not just a fucking like rat race of like, yeah, our country won, let's go America type of thing. - Yeah. - That's what I meant by the political aspect. The good versus bad narrative is very easy to sell. - Yeah, it is very easy to sell. - But obviously there's a lot more to it. - More nuance, not just in like movies, but just in the way history is told and taught because history is never unbiased. And the more I grow up, the more I realize that actually that just reminds me.

- So when I first started dating Sydney, right? - Oh God, I know the quote. I know what you're gonna say. - I fucking grilled her about this for ages. - So when I first started dating Sydney, we were having like this, I can't remember what the debate was, but it was something to do with wars. And then Sydney just goes, "Yeah, America's never lost a war."

And I'm like, I mean, what do you think of the Vietnam war? And she's like, oh no, we won that. - I wonder if that is like, Sydney was taught that, Sydney just took away that from her lessons. - No, like according to her and I, the more I've talked to Americans, especially, you know,

especially people and kids who did not grow in like the Vietnam war era, at least the conversations I've had in Wisconsin, that is definitely a very much- - How many times is this coming up? - Okay, because at first I thought this was a Sydney thing. I'm like- - It's a family. - So I asked like a lot of her families and friends when we get drunk, I'm like, so random question, who won the Vietnam war?

And everyone's like, "We want it, we killed more people. "America, yeah, freedom baby." And I'm like, so wait, wait. So you're telling me that you came to a country for a certain purpose. You lost so many people 'cause you know, you lost so many people and you're like, "It's not worth this anymore, let's retreat." And they're like,

- All right, it was a draw. - It's just like, yo, we fucking clapped. - But do you know how many people we killed? And I'm like, oh, wow. - Our KD ratio was higher. - Half of them fucking civilians. - Also, is Sydney aware that America had a civil war? You know, where they also kind of lost in some respect. They lost each other. So yeah, I mean, obviously- - I mean, you can frame, like you could take any statistical point and be like, well, they won. Like, 'cause I think like,

I think in World War II, like on average, like a German soldier would end up killing more people than any other soldier. Whether it's good or bad. So you'd be like, yeah, the German soldiers are the best. They won. They killed more people. - Like it's not a fucking Call of Duty long. Why are we comparing KD ratios? - Well they do. But like also there's like a meme where like, obviously there's like a common meme where it's like France surrenders, ha ha. But I think like pre-World War II,

one and two, I think of like battles because of Napoleon, France had like the most wins to losses of any country in battles.

- Yeah, but I doubt the French, like, you know, like when they look back on like, yeah, when we surrendered, they're not like, oh, we didn't surrender. We were actually the bigger man. Like we stepped down for the man. So technically we won. - But like, you know, it's easy to laugh at funny America thinking they win everything. But like, we live in the one country where they're gonna talk shit about a lot of the bad history, you know, and the,

it's very questionable. I think a lot of the times what history has taught and what isn't, but then also it's like, I guess the other argument would be like, what purpose does it have to teach that? And I think a lot of the main argument is that you need to be taught this stuff to learn from it. - Yes, of course. You need to learn from it. - History doesn't repeat. - If you or your country did fucked up things, you should learn about it. Like I think in the UK we should learn more about how maybe we didn't have the best effect on everywhere we went to. 'Cause we weren't taught any of that shit.

"Look at the map of all the colonies. "Aren't they great? "We did such good work." Now don't worry about what happened to them in modern day times. - Yeah, genuine question. At what age did you start to realize? 'Cause I wasn't taught all of this stuff in school where,

I had known that the British colonies were fucking massive. Didn't know why the British museum had all of like the artifacts from all over the world that were never returned. That was just something that was just not taught in school about like, well, I remember we were learning-

- It's just like, oh, the countries must love our kingdom so much. That's why they're gifting us all of these things. - Yeah, that's why they're gifting us all of these things and we're just putting it on display. And that's just a part of history, man. - I remember we were in school

I took history at a level. I love history. I've always been really fascinated by history. And we were learning about how the UK was trying to have influence on China and was trying to take over. And obviously in China, way back when they got Hong Kong and all that stuff. And China was refusing to buy any more opium from the British. Oh, the opium wars? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they were like,

"Well, we took over India and we got all these poppy seeds. "We gotta make, you gotta sell it." And so they just started smuggling it in and getting people hooked on opium. And in my head I was like, I was like 16 at this time, I was like,

- That doesn't sound like something the good guys would do. Not to be that guy, but I don't remember Superman drugging half a country just to move some product. That sounds like some Breaking Bad ass shit that the bad guys would do.

maybe i'm crazy hear me out and then they were like and then they were like yes we they had to they sailed these steamboats up that could just destroy everything and the chinese army could only just push barges on fire in the hopes they would hit them i was like yeah that's a bit unfair uh yeah it just seemed like i was like huh there's more to this history thing i think that started like

we'd go to history class and I would go home and just research more 'cause Wikipedia would just tell you the facts straight up and be like, well, I mean, whatever was sourced. So it wasn't always accurate, but it would be close enough to tell you what was done. You're like, huh?

- A lot of this stuff seems really sketchy, the British did. It's like, oh, they built railroads in these impoverished countries. Wow, good. - Oh, that's good. - Oh, they built only railroads to mines and not any useful ones people can actually use. And they're all fucked and they can't be maintained and they left. And they left it so fast that it started the civil war and there's been war for 50 years.

We didn't do a good job. We just did the wrong thing. Or how we like, you know, British, you know, Johnny Harris made a fucking 9 billion videos about maps in British war. And they would just draw random lines of maps that would cause wars that are still going on today.

because we were so smart. And it's like, well, we've definitely caused so many goddamn problems. - Yeah, I mean, yeah. - And then you skipped out of there and you were like, we've never lost a war. - I think it's a good thing that the internet exists now because I didn't really reach my consciousness before the internet because- - In our age, because now there's so much misinformation that you can read about everything. - That's true. - Well, yeah, 'cause people, the fact that people, I mean, not to, you know, could have,

that it's very common now people just believe that certain very, very major historical events didn't happen. And that they can believe that is mind blowing to me. And so telling of the power of information on the internet and how disinformation and misinformation can be so dangerous. - Yeah, I feel like with the way the internet works now, we have all freedom of information and everything. It's kind of like, it feels like we got like the monkey paw wish.

It's like, you want access to all the information in the world? That sounds amazing. All the information in human history, everyone's gonna get smarter. - But all of it's wrong. - I think some of my, like you really like, I'd say like modern history, right? - Yeah, I like modern history. - 'Cause I'm like really into like ancient history. - Yeah, yeah, I remember. - I honestly, like when I got into like, I guess one of like,

I think is most interesting is like Chinese history actually. And like Roman history and like, you know, ancient Greece and stuff like that. - Those are cool because there's like literal thousands of years that you can trace back on. - Yeah, exactly. - So much happened. - Like Roman history is like emperor Chadeus Maximus through games and defeated the Persians and then like Chinese history. - John, I wish those Chadeus.

- Yeah, I mean, it kind of feels like that, you know? - Oh, please, tell me there's a Chinese Maximus Prime. - And then like Chinese history is just so- - Same, my firstborn son. - Chinese history is like so weird because it's like the amount of times that China has just been broken up as like a fucking country, it's just like, oh, there was a minor dispute about the farmland somewhere in China. 70 trillion people died in this war. Also, the war lasted 500 years. I'm like, what the fuck?

- And then they all came back together and held hands. - And then they came back together for one year and then it broke up again. And I'm like, what the fuck is going on? - Yeah, history, I feel like I've only gotten more interested in history as I've grown older. I don't know if this is an age thing 'cause personally- - You realize the most interesting shit

that you can conceive of is just all in real life when it's happened at one point or crazy stories or crazy things people have done. 'Cause you're like, oh my God, a real fucking person did that. - Yeah, I kind of get that feeling 'cause I feel like a problem is it's just how boring history is in school. I don't know, I thought it was taught in a very, very boring way in school. - Yeah, I thought it was mad boring. - Yeah, like I don't feel like- - I don't know, for me, I always found it interesting 'cause I found it like,

It's like looking into another world, but a world that happened and existed and it's gone. - Did you have a good history teacher though? - I think it was okay. I think I was just so fascinated in the thought of being able to tap into this knowledge of periods that have gone.

and learn all about them. - That's how you know it's a true history. - Yeah, I just thought that was so cool. Like even learning about like 1950s America felt like so alien to where we were in the 2000s that it was like, what the fuck? I can't imagine like this time and this place existing. And learning about that I found, I thought was so cool as a kid. - Yeah, I think to me, the reason I really enjoy ancient history as opposed to like more like modern history is because I never really found World War II

or like kind of like the 1800s that interesting just because it felt more tangible than like ancient history. - Like it's closer to our proximity. - Yeah, because like you'd still see like, I don't know if they're like when the last World War II veteran is gonna be around for, but you know, when I was growing up, there was still like many war veterans and stuff like that. So it still felt like a tangible thing.

And I don't know why, maybe it's the escapism part of my mind where I'm like, oh, ancient history. That's a fake thing. That didn't really happen. - You treating it like an isekai? - I know. - It's interesting about how fucked up these dudes must've been, especially dudes, 'cause you forget about it, right? I think we always think about World War I and World War II as such separate things. - Yeah.

that's like 30, 20 years in between them. - Yeah. - Yeah. - You know, like a good amount of people who served in both. - Yeah. - How fucked in the head would you be after going through that? Imagine going through it once and then you're like, guys, we gotta do it again. You're like, what? - They just sit in there all calm and being like, oh, finally, it was worth it to come back. And like, there's a sequel?

- What? - There's another one? - It's really like the horrors of World War I and the conditions and stuff. 'Cause obviously back then, a lot of big advancements were made in medicine in those 20, 30 years between the two wars. - And also weapons. - Oh my God. - Yeah. - Yeah. I mean, dude, some of the shit in World War I was barbaric. Chlorine gas and stuff like that. Imagine, oh my God. - I mean, even when you look at the Vietnam War as well, just some of the shit that some of the sides were doing to each other was just like,

I can't believe this was in proximity, not that long ago. - Yeah, and it's so easy to think of those- - This happened when our parents were alive. It's crazy. - It's so easy to think of those events as like contained things where it's like a match almost where it's like, that was the game. And then, but those people, you know,

how it's so fascinating to look into how these people just functioned in society after there's no war. How do you tell someone who's like 50 years old, who's maybe, sorry, like 60 years old, who's been in war one and two, how are you like, "Hey, so yeah, just live normally now." Like, how do you do that? And so like learning in the history of that and like reading accounts of that, I think it's just so fascinating and so cool.

'cause it's just like, we live in an age where, and the reason why I like kind of modern history so much is the level of documentation and different sides you can get. It makes me, makes you think like how maybe ancient history or older history must have been so biased by like one source. - Yeah. - 'Cause you get so many different sources nowadays. - It makes me like, I've always found it interesting how, you know, you think of,

some of the most well-known figures in some of their fields. Like it just like, it's so weird to me to think that, you know, fucking there was a time when Aristotle and Plato were just like hanging out and shit like that. 'Cause like, to me, they just, they feel like fictional characters or just like, you know, like, you know, everyone in the fucking Renaissance and shit like that.

- Or even just like famous artists like Picasso and shit like that. - Yeah, you look at like, you know, some of the most like famous Renaissance paintings in the world and you just like look at it and you're like, how did one person make that? Like that is unheard of. Like that's insane. No wonder they're famous, fucking hell. - Like thinking about all the shit like Leonardo da Vinci did, not just like his paintings, but- - Like all of his inventions and sketches and shit. - Didn't he like invent the helicopter?

- Yeah. - Even before or something? - He was like one of the first people to like come up with the concept of it. - It was not good. - It didn't work, but it was a foundation. It was a foundation. - It was not good, certainly. - One of my favorite historical people, I don't know if I've ever talked about this one. - Is it Chadeus Maximus? - I wish it was Chadeus Maximus. His name should be Chadeus Maximus, but he was like,

- A philosopher, Diogenes. Or is it Diogenes? I don't know how you pronounce it. - I think it was Diogenes. - Sorry? - It was Diogenes. - I think it might, okay. - I've never heard of this guy. - Diogenes. Yeah, so you know Aristotle, you know Plato as like famous philosophers. Not many people know about Diogenes, but he, I feel like he's often called the father of cynicism. And just reading accounts about all of the shit that he got up to, it feels like he was the world's very first troll.

- Right? Okay, so one of the things he did, so Plato, fucking famous philosopher nowadays, his name is in history, every history book out there. So he was apparently having a lecture and they were trying to define what is a human, right? What makes a human? And Plato at the time, I believe, called humans

Featherless bipeds, right? Which kind of like, yeah, we're featherless and we're on two legs. - Two legs, yeah. - So Diogenes was just like, I got a great idea. So what he does is he takes the chicken, he takes a chicken, plucks all the feathers out, walks into Plato's lecture, plops the chicken on the table and he goes, "Behold, man." And that,

- And I'm just like, you read accounts of all this shit and I'm just like, this shit happens. We look at ancient Greece and like, you know, all of this time where they fathered philosophy and all this shit. But I'm just wondering how much,

How much troll shit actually came down? - Well, I mean, you know, in order for all of these like amazing philosophical ideas to actually, you know, keep their ground to the point where it was taught for thousands of years afterwards in history books. I mean, I'm sure they went through a ton of trial and error. You know, like I'm sure like for every great idea, there was probably like, you know, Aristotle on a bad day being like, so does shit,

actually smell bad or is that just like our perception as humans? Let's discuss. Let's like, no, scrap that from the history book. This is bullshit. Let's get to the actual good share. So like I can see why there would have been philosophers out there like Diogenes to just be like, yeah, let me just like limit test.

this like ridiculous idea that is philosophy. - Yeah. - And like see if it actually holds any ground. And I think it's because of people like that, that, you know, Plato and Aristotle were like, yeah, what we said was legit. We got this fucker right here trying to like prove us wrong. - Do you know one of my favorite memes I've seen recently? It's like, I don't know if this is real or not, or if this is edited, generally you can't tell, but it's like the Oppenheimer

trailer being shown and then just people cheering at Albert Einstein like he's part of the Avengers or some shit.

- What the fuck? - It's like, I know that face. - Have you seen like the cinemas react to like Avengers Endgame or some shit like that? Where you have moments and then fucking you see Captain America pick up the hammer and everyone's like, "Yo!" So yeah, I don't know if this is me, but it's like a shitty cam rip of, I'm not sure if it's the Oppenheimer trailer, but it's like a really, really serious trailer. And then Albert Einstein comes on screen and everyone's like,

It's the goat. It's the goat. - That's my boy. - I saw funny memes of people in the front row.

- Oh, at the Iron Max? - It's like the faces are all fucked up. Why do they even bother selling tickets in the front row? They should not be allowed to sell those tickets to Iron Max front row tickets. It doesn't make sense. - Yeah, I don't know. I fucking despise sitting in the front row. I remember the first, I remember distinctly the first movie I watched where I sat in the front row because all other tickets were sold out and it was Star Wars Episode III.

And I'm like, maybe this will be a good experience. And so the movie starts and the first thing I hear is,

And I'm like, fuck it. I immediately regretted life. I'm like, my eardrums were fucking destroyed. Sorry if I destroyed your ears, but that's what I felt. - Also not to mention, like if you're in the front row, it doesn't even have to be an IMAX screen. Your neck's like this the whole time. And so after you finished the movie, your first thing isn't like, wow, that was a great film. And like talking to your friends about it. It's you just going,

- Yeah. - Fuck, that was not worth sitting at two hours to do this. - Yeah, you need a fucking chiropractor after you finish watching a movie like that. - Yeah, they should not be allowed to sell those tickets. - No. - I don't know why. - I haven't been sold an IMAX. I don't know why. - I still can't tell the difference. - Of what? - IMAX to a normal cinema. - Well, IMAX is big.

- Yeah, but there's like no fucking difference. This is big. I still, I genuinely can't, maybe- - It's too big. - And I said this once in an episode and all the comments are like, "You know the difference." I'm like, I genuinely, it does not change anything.

- Yeah, I've like every movie I've watched in IMAX makes me uncomfortable because the screen is so big. I always feel like I'm missing something. I know it's designed to be like this is going to fit your peripheral vision. And I'm like, there is so much information my brain is trying to take in right now. I don't think I can process everything that's like happening. - I don't have the brain capacity to care about my peripheral vision right now. I've got this shit right in front of me to deal with. - But it's all about the immersion, you know, the immersion.

- The immersion. - Just go to a 4D movie. That's more immersive. - Do you think VR movies can ever exist or something?

- Yeah. - I think it'll be a crap viewing experience. - Yeah. - I think ultimately your eyes just like being far away from the screen. - 'Cause I've tried watching movies through like my VR goggle or like, you know, like YouTube videos and stuff like that through my VR goggle. - Why? - Just 'cause I was curious to see if there was a difference. And I tried it out and I'm like, this is shit. Like I almost prefer it if it was further away. And then I was like, oh.

That's what cinemas are for. I finally understood at that point. - That's why everyone wants a bigger TV, but they want to sit further away from the house. - Yeah, exactly. - It's kind of like, I guess that's like the invisible fourth wall, but I like-

between the story being told and what I'm being presented. 'Cause I always feel like it's kind of like you're tricking your brain into getting immersed in this world, but not too much. There's like a safety net to there. Like I couldn't imagine, that's why I don't think I could ever play VR horror games. I mean, I hate horror games.

but I cannot, I think I'd literally go through a heart attack if I played something like Resident Evil in VR. Holy shit, that sounds terrifying. - I get a heart attack playing Resident Evil regularly. - Yeah, exactly, right? - When I'm on VR, fuck that shit. - Like I'd probably be that guy

Jumping into like the television screen that you see in like every grandpa tries VR for the first time video. You know, that's- - That's an escape. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I know it's fake, but yeah, even just in horror, I'm a fucking pussy. I don't know how people can enjoy horror movies. - I second that. I second that, I'm right there with you. - Yeah.

But it's weird because I like, here's the thing. I really, really like immersion. Immersion is like so- - Immersion. - Immersion. - Immersion is one of the most important aspects for me when it comes to

video games and movies. That's why I like something like Final Fantasy 16 with a fully, fully fleshed out world and characters that I can just immerse myself in the world. To me, that is almost as enjoyable as a story being told. - Yeah. - Yeah. - But that's the thing, right? Is that like, I'm right there with you on that. Totally agree. But like, I feel that's a different kind of immersion. Like what you just described was an emotional emotion of being like, I am part of this world. Whereas like,

VR games and VR movies or like 4D movies, they try and bring on a physical emotion, which I feel has still a long ways to go just because it's doesn't really work for a lot of people or it's not necessarily something people want to be involved in. - It'll have its avatar moment. - I think so. I think like if they come up with like a VR film or game or whatever, where it's like, there is also that emotional emotion thrown into it, then I think it'll be a lot easier to actually get physically involved in whatever it is.

As of right now, there's very few games that do that. And the ones that do are horror games like Resident Evil, which I'm like, no, thank you, dog.

- Oh good. - But fuck sake, the only genre that is really, really, really fucking good in VR for immersion is horror games. - Yeah, which is the one I don't play. - Which is the one game that I don't wanna play. - So I was like, great. - I played some okay horror games on VR, pretty fun. - Yeah? - Kind of terrifying. - Were you emotionally immersed into it though? - I don't know what the story was. - So no.

- I know but it's just terrifying. You're in like a mansion and there's ghosts and shit. - Yeah. - Yeah. - But that's the problem, right? Is that like all these like physically immersive games, they don't give you the space to be emotionally immersive. It's like, okay, I got scared very, and I had a physical reaction to it because there was a jump scare that was right in my fucking face from my periphery. But at the end of the day, once the credits roll, it's like, well, I don't really much understand or care about what just happened. All I know is that I just got jump scared by something.

- Yeah. - Fear and hunger VR, let's do it. - Fear and hunger VR. - That'll be terrifying. - That'll be fucking horrifying. - How terrifying is the game by itself? - It's more creepy than terrifying. - 'Cause what you said is that, the way you've described it at least is it's terrifying because of the gameplay aspects to it. - It's fucking terrifying though too. I mean, the enemies chase you down if they lock onto you and it's gross. - Yeah. - I mean, there's definitely some moments where you're like, oh,

Oh, that's very disturbing. Yeah, I think disturbing and graphic is like the two, which I guess makes horror. And I think they both fall under horror. Yes. But there's no like jump scares or anything like that, which I appreciate. Yeah. And I'm not normally into these kind of worlds, but I don't know why. It's been very captivating. Yeah. At least it's refreshing, right? It's great. Yeah. It's awesome. The world's so interesting as well. It is. Which I never care about. See,

- See, but that's, yeah. But again, that's like a great emotional emotion where it's like, oh, I actually care about this world and it feels real. Like I'm actually experiencing through it and not just like hitting a bunch of buttons to advance the story kind of deal. - I wish there was more things to do with existential horror. I mean, I've talked about my love for Lovecraftian horror a lot, but like existential horror is just my favorite kind of. - It's kinda like that.

- Is it kind of like that? - Yeah, it's a bunch of gods and shit. A bunch of weird things you don't know shit about. - Right. - Story about people trying to become like gods and how that interacts with real gods. - Okay. - Sounds like every Final Fantasy game. - There's a ton of weird fucking Lovecraftian monsters that you're like, what the fuck? And then you're like, oh, this is the God of fertility. You're like, what?

- I got it, first person VR fear and hunger. - Yeah, dude, that would be nuts. I'd shit myself. You're in the fucking like blood cavern and then this fucking ogre starts chasing you. I'd shit myself. His dick's out. - Get on a game designer. - His dick is out. - Do you know one thing I've developed an irrational fear for recently? This is gonna sound so stupid out of context. - Go on. - Infinity.

- I know what we're gonna call this episode now. We have an existential crisis. - Why, why, what, why? - Explain in layman's terms why you are afraid of infinity, Gar. - I think, okay. So I've talked about getting to a lot of videos in terms of physics and I guess- - It just sounds like you've watched one too many Vsauce videos. - It's not a Vsauce video, it's actually a,

- It's actually a documentary I saw that the BBC did on the concept of infinity because I find it like fascinating personally that,

- Infinity as a concept is something that you can explain to like a five-year-old, you know. But it's when you really think about what it actually means, do you kind of like the more you think about it, the more you fail to grasp what infinity actually is. Like what's the biggest number you can think of? Like what's...

What's the biggest number you can think of? - A Googleplex. - A Googleplex. - Yeah. - Like you think of like a Googleplex, which is what's the exact definition of a Googleplex? - It's 10 to the power of a Google. - 10 to the power of Google. - A Google is 10 to the power of 100. - Yeah, a Google is 10 to the power of 100. So it's one with 100 zeros on the end, right?

So if you think about a Googleplex, right? You cannot even write. If you take the one and put every zero on an atom in a Googleplex, you will run out of space in the entire observable universe before you can literally, before you can even write out a Googleplex.

And that number is a fucking tiny number compared to like infinity. - Yeah. - Right? It is tiny. It's infinity as a concept, if you really, really think about it, the biggest number I can think of off the top of my head, and this is how you know I've gone down a rabbit hole, is this concept called tree three, right? And if you even try to fit tree three,

into the observable universe. If you take the smallest unit of measurement in the observable universe, which is the Planck distance, and divide that in the entire space of the universe, you will have to compress information so densely that you will turn the entire universe into a black hole. - Shit. - And still, that is a tiny fucking number. And like, the more you think about it, the more you're just like,

"Holy shit, this is- - Well, it's infinite. - Yeah, yeah, it's infinite, right? It's easy to say it's infinite, but the more you think about it, the more you're like, "Holy shit, this is something that you cannot even come close, not even minutely comprehend what infinity actually means." And then I think about it and I'm like, "Fuck me, that is terrifying just to think that humans have invented a concept that can make

ourselves feel so insignificant and yet it's like, and yet a fucking child can understand it. - So why does the number scare you?

- Sorry? - Why does the number scare you? - I think it's the concept. - It's the concept. - Why does it scare you? - Sorry? - Why does it scare you? - It just like, it just makes you realize, it's 'cause it's like- - No one's gonna try and write the number out, Garnt. It's not gonna- - Well, they can't. - Well, they can't. It's the concept of it. It's the concept. It's the, like I said, that's kind of like the feeling of existential horror that I love. It's the concept of it, right? - This makes sense 'cause this is probably why you play Genshin.

- Those are how many fucking gacha pulls you do. - That is fucking Lovecraftian horror, man. - I know how you feel because I got into that similar kind of rabbit hole a while back. - What the fuck? What are you guys doing in your free time? - Well, because I watch a lot of like math and like physics videos. Yeah, I'm a fucking nerd. But I remember like, this will blow your mind, Garnt. Think about it like this. There are,

an infinite amount of numbers, right? Like finite numbers, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. There are the same amount of infinite numbers between zero and one. - Yeah. - 'Cause if you're trying to write out, right? Zero to one. What's the next number that comes after zero?

0.000000, it's just an infinite number of zeros. And then somewhere at the end, there's a one. - Not on my calculator. Do you wanna know something even more fucking mind blowing? - Are we giving each other infinity facts? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, we are giving each other infinity facts while Connor loses his mind right now. - Go on. - There are infinities that are bigger than other infinities. - Yeah, I know, I've seen it. They have like the infinity to the power of two infinities. You're like, okay.

- Which is still infinity. - I'm like, it's gotten to the point where mathematics has evolved to a point where we can give ourselves- - Well, they had to figure out what the odds were of "Hunt to Hunt" ever being finished. - It's infinity squared, actually. - So they had to make a whole new mathematical concept. - That's a number lower than

any number that's ever been written in the fucking universe. We can wait till the end of the universe until it actually is like, nah. - I want a fucking horror movie around the concept of infinity. That'll be fucking awesome. - That sounds like a really shit M. Night Shyamalan film. - Actually, that would be- - That sounds awful, Garnt. - I can see it already. M. Night Shyamalan presents infinity. - I'm not funding this movie, Garnt. No one else is.

- Housewife finds out that she's infinite a number away from fucking finding her husband and whatever. It's just, I don't know, some bullshit like that. But yeah, anyway, that was "Trash Taste Existential Crisis." - Bit of a shorter one. - I feel like you enjoyed it. - Bit of a shorter one. We are going to be getting drunk on the next one, so. - So expect more existential crises. - Expect even wilder talks out of the next one.

- But hey, if you wanna support the show, look at all these patrons though. They love infinity. Give us your favorite infinity fact in the comments. - Make it so we have. - But hey, if you'd like to support the show, head on over to our Patreon, patreon.com/trashdays. Also follow us on Twitter, send us memes on the subreddit, and if you hate our face, listen to us on Spotify. And we will see you guys- - Next time. - Hopefully not an infinite time away. - Oh my God, Joey. Oh my God. - Okay. - Oh my God. - Okay, bye. - Bye.

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