WE GOT DRUNK WITH OUR OWN BEER | Trash Taste #203
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- Hey, welcome back to another episode of the Trash Taste Podcast. I'm Joey and I'm with Connor and Garnt. As always, we're still in Australia, in case you missed the last episode. - I can't believe you took on the hosting thing twice, Joey. - I was about to start talking. We have a system, Joey. - You're not the host. You'll never be the host unless it's for another episode or two.

- But anyway, we're still in Australia. - And we thought with our second recording, we should drink some beers. - Wait, but this isn't just any beer, right? - No, it's trash taste beer. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. - Hell yeah. Look at them. Look at those beautiful cans right there. - Wait, wait, wait. - Are they even on the screen? Can we see them?

- Are they on the screen? We should probably should have checked. - They should be on the wide, 100%. - Well, hopefully they're in better view now. We were just checking some stuff off camera, but do you guys wanna have a go? Have a pick? - Oh, they're such cool cans too. Hell yeah, with our signatures in the back. - Looks so cool. What is a 1.5 standard drink?

That is probably 1.5 units because it's a 5.2% alcohol beer. - No, I'd win. - Yeah.

Yeah, no, this is a pale ale. We did the tasting and pale ale is my favorite type of beer. I think all three of us agreed we'd like pale ale. We all like this one. This is our first time trying the actual official Trash Taste. Yeah, because we tried the samples that they sent to us, but this is the first time out of the Trash Taste cab. Cheers. Give it a swig. Back in Aussie.

- I love pale ale. - Good shit. - That's good. - I can drink this all day and we will on this podcast. - This is the problem now 'cause now I can literally drink my own supply.

- Don't say it like that. - It's a dangerous- - I've never had this issue before. - Why'd you have to phrase it like that? - I mean, drinking your own supply. - What do you mean? That's what they do with the drug dealers. - I'm gonna get drunk so fast. - That's what I'm saying. - Yeah, I know, but let's not like, you know, that's what I'm saying. - I get what you mean, but there's better ways to phrase it. - Wait, what? We are dealing the drug of joy? - What if we drink more- - I noticed alcohol.

What happens when we drink more than the profit margin we make on these? Because these are only available in Australia. I know that a lot of people in the US, which is most of the viewers, will be like, why can't we get it? Ah.

- 'Cause alcohol laws are very difficult to work with. - Alcohol laws are super difficult to get alcohol. - And honestly, we just wanted to have beer. - We just thought it would be sick. - As far as business decisions go, I think releasing a thing that only like 15% of your audience can even consider buying is terrible. - It's less than 15%.

- Well, I know the Australians will make up for it. - It's like 5%. - They'll make up for it and drink more. - Maybe a small percent, but the amount one will drink, those 5% is like hard carry. - They're sending, we're all getting a few crates each and I'm like, I kinda wanna just put them on my shelf.

Like I want to drink them, but they also look so cool. - It's aesthetic. - And I don't want to like go through them all and be like, I don't, how am I ever going to get this? - You know, it's like, how many cans do I keep for display? And how many do I drink? Because I am going to drink a lot of this.

How many do I drink for my own personal collection? It's called saying trash taste. Trash taste. On a drink. But hey, it's great. Cheers, guys. Thank you, Modus, as well. What have you guys been up to?

- Well, obviously I'm now ruining my health. Before I- - Me too. - I cycled a lot and then I, now I'm ruining it all. Please drink moderately by the way. - Yeah, drink moderately, yada, yada, yada. All that stuff. - I think there are laws, I don't know. - Yeah, wow. - We have to tell you that. - Drink responsibly. - Other than that, I play Chrono Trigger. - You play Chrono Trigger? - I play Chrono Trigger. - You finished it? - Of course I finished it. - Did you like it? - Yeah. - Fuck yeah. - I think it's,

I don't know if this is like controversial. I guess the best JRPG I've ever played. Better than seven. - I don't think that's controversial. In fact, I think that's- - Better than seven, better than eight. That's about it actually. - It's shorter than them, isn't it? - Yeah, way shorter. - Way shorter, yeah. - Which makes it so good because it doesn't try to like convolute the story by adding a bunch of dumb shit. - And you get that classic Toriyama art style as well. - Yeah, the art style is amazing.

- I can't wait to play. - People would come into my stream and be like, "What is it, like, Dragon Ball?" I was like, "Well, yes." - Innocence? - Yes, yes. - But actually, you'd be surprised.

- Yeah, it's great. It's the first time I've ever done a side quest in a JRPG and it didn't feel like a side quest. Oh yeah. - Wow. What is this character development? We went from I hate JRPGs to I did a side quest. - I think that's more of a compliment to how they integrate the side quests into the story. - How long did it take you to complete?

Two streams. So 20 something hours? Yeah, I know it's like a little bit shorter. Have you played it? I haven't played it yet. Fake fan. You don't like JRPGs. You don't know anime like I do. I'm a fake fan. I mean, God will love it. I already know. I already know I'm going to love it. You're going to play it?

I will play it once I finish the fucking trail series. No, don't do that. Stop wasting your time with that mid shit. Get on this good shit. Actually, dude, no, no. I'm going down fine with this. I am five games in now. Oh my God. And it is so fucking good.

- When does it get good? Is it like nine games in, 15? - Is this Stockholm syndrome? - It's good, it's good guys. - It's genuinely like Trails is hitting me in a way that no other JRPG has like ever hit me before. - It's 'cause you haven't played Corona Trigger. - Huh? - It's 'cause you haven't played Corona Trigger. - I haven't played Corona Trigger.

- Admittedly it has taken me about like fucking 250 hours to get to this point, but- - Well, I would hope if you invest 250 hours into something, you'd start getting an attachment. - Oh no, no, no. It is like the peaks are like insane, but continue about that. - "Chronotrigger" just tells an amazing story in such a short amount of time. - Who's your favorite character?

I like... And why is it not Frog? I was going to say it was Frog. Yeah. Is his real name Glenn? What was the... No, it was his brother. One of the... Colin? No. Some name like that, yeah. Frog's the best character. Frog's the best character. Or Rob. Rob's great too. Oh, yeah. Rob Rob. Yeah, hell yeah. He's also great. I feel...

I'm very impressed that they can just make a robot that's kind of like just the coolest character. The human characters are the most boring. Yeah, in a sense, yeah. It's crazy though. I've never seen like a J-Witchy be like, oh yeah, here's another character. By the way, you're like one mission away from defeating the game. Yeah, yeah. He's like another character. Also, I've never seen a game handle time travel in a way that didn't make me feel like they were just like

breaking every time travel law. - Yeah, I think that's why, like, that's the one thing when I knew I was going to love Chrono Trigger was because I'm such a sucker for like the time travel trope. - It's talking pretty well. - I'd heard from everyone that like this does time travel like some, one of the best ways they've like ever seen it. - 100%. - Yeah. - It's yeah.

The way they handle it is so cool. And a lot of the missions require you to like kind of think like, okay, I have to really keep track of all the timelines here in a way that's fun. Not in a way that's like, oh, for fuck's sake. - Not in a way that you have to open up like an Excel sheet. - Yeah, it's not like Terraria where like Terraria doesn't even do anything remotely. I have to pull up four Wiki pages to then figure out where to even start. You're like, I want to kill this boss. Okay, now I gotta find this weapon. Okay, how do I get this? Okay, this weapon to craft this. I gotta get this area. Where's this area? Okay, and then you're like, this is ridiculous, Terraria. Terraria is good though, but.

- Yeah. - It's fun, but it's bullshit. The amount of wikis you have to open up for that. It is a game that they, I swear it was made just to make, to farm ads on wiki pages. There's no other reason why it's that complicated. - Yeah. - But no, it's honestly, it's so good. Definitely wanna play more JRPGs, but sad.

that I know that not all of them can be that good. You've hit like the peak. Yeah. You know, it's like when, it's like same with anime when you start it and you start having to watch like domestic girlfriend and stuff. Wait, but you still haven't played Earthbound.

- No, I haven't played Earthbound. - That's the next one. - Earthbound seems like a completely different vibe. - It is a completely different vibe, but I think just- - Isn't it long? - That's when you hit like the peak and then you're just like, oh, I should stop watching shit like "Monogatari" now. You know what I mean? - This is just a ploy for me to turn Connor more into me. You're like, well, you've watched

- Attack on Titan, Jujutsu Kaisen, Death Note. Why don't we just try weirdo shit now? - Yeah, just try like Wolf's Reign and like Serial Experiments Lane. Just like give them a go. I'm sure you'll like them. - Yeah, I mean, and Pete's JRPG pilling me. He's always just talking to me about the ones he loves. He's played like every JRPG ever. You name something, you're like, "Oh yeah, I love the 39 combat system in that one. That's great." And it's like, "What the?" When did you...

How have you played all these games? Yeah. But I guess he didn't put a thousand hours in the Call of Duty like I did. I wish I had that time back. It's like I said I would go through like a JRPG grind like about two years ago or something on my Trash Taste where I'm like, I want to play more video games.

I haven't stopped playing JRPGs because I'm like, they just keep coming out and I don't have time to play them. - Especially earlier this year. - They've been remaking a ton as well. - Yeah, I just finished "Persona 3 Reload" as well. - Got it. - And that was very, very good, but okay, here's the thing.

- Playing "Persona 3 Reload" made me appreciate how many improvements they made for "Persona 5." Because I think "Persona 3 Reload" has my favorite story and the best cast, but oh my God, the gameplay became a drag after a while. Holy fucking shit. - Yeah, when they decided to change it from the procedurally generated dungeons to the actual-

- Get procedurally generated shit out of my face, man. - The palaces were just so much more of a refreshing way to explore the map for sure. Yeah, like as much as I love like Persona 3 and Persona 4 in a sense that did something similar, I was just like, damn, the palaces just made things so much better in Persona 5. It wasn't even close. - It's procedurally generated in Persona 3. - Persona 3, yeah, every floor is like procedurally generated. - And there's a hundred and...

- No, 200 floors. - Is over 200 floors. I guess that's like a slight spoiler because I was like, okay, I'm getting to like, I'm floor 50. - How long does a floor take to be? - Depends how long you want to explore it for. But at most like,

- Yeah, yeah. So it's not too long. - It's small. Each floor is small. - But it's just so many fucking floors. And you know, after a while they do change up the aesthetic a little bit, but at the same time- - But it's like every like 80 floors they change it. - Oh, that's a lot. - Yeah. - See, that's just like, I think in a hundred hours is just too much. Like 30 hours felt like the perfect amount of commitment where I was like, I'm super pumped. But I know that people, I know people who really like those games are like,

"Fucking 300 hours, hell yeah." I'm like, "What?" - I think "Persona 3 Reload" took me about 50 hours, but that's because like I've already played the game and I knew the story lines, you know, like the story tempos and stuff like that. - It took me like 70 hours, I think.

You know what's now pissed me off with JLPG fans is that you beat their game. It's not enough. You got to get every ending. And they're like, yeah, but you got to sink in like another 70 to get all the endings. I'm like, no, I don't. If you did it 100% of JLPG, did you even...

- Dude, they're so insufferable. Like, can't I just play the fucking game? - Yeah, right. - I mean, they're like what like the cod gamers are to mobile gamers. You're not a real gamer. You're not saying slurs and getting headshots. You're not a real gamer. It's like, God damn it, I beat your game. I didn't want, I didn't want,

I didn't play your games. I didn't want to reset and redo shit I've already done for just a fucking YouTube video worth of difference in ending that I could have watched in five minutes anyway. - Actually you didn't enjoy it the right way. - You didn't enjoy it the right way. - You enjoyed it your own way, which actually just isn't the right way. You're meant to enjoy it this way. - There's a canon way of enjoying it apparently, according to the JLPG fans. - I mean, yeah, I encourage you guys, fucking amazing.

- Oh, so good. - So good. At least I got a pretty good ending and people were very happy. And I was like, guys, I'm not gonna do the other ending because this is gonna take too long. And I get the same level of enjoyment from watching the YouTube video.

- That's fine, man. That's fine. I didn't realize there were multiple endings. How many endings are there? - Not sure. - There's quite a few. - I mean, there's certain things you can do along the way that do change the game. Normally to be fair, it seems to be they're all near the end of the game. So if you did want to redo it, you would just have to go back to a certain save. But there's some really cool things. And again, I didn't know anything about the game.

So there were certain things that happened in the game that I was like, wait, what? Yeah. What? There's some plot twists in that game that to this day are like, whoa. They're still afraid to do it. They're still afraid to do it in video games, do what they did back then. They've gone too soft. They're scared to take away stuff from you. It's so good though. I wish I could go back and just replay all of Chrono Trigger 2, 3, 4. Oh, wait, they didn't make it.

- Oh no. - No, don't tell me that. Don't fucking tell me that they made Chrono Cross or whatever it was. I hate when people tell me this shit. Like, no, it's not the same. - What is the law behind Chrono Cross? - I mean, the problem is when you get into like the Chrono Cross stuff, it just becomes so convoluted that I don't think anyone knows. - No, they know. It's like Final Fantasy people and they're like, "Are you gonna play Advent?" "No, I'm not gonna play Advent Children." "No, stop asking me. I'm not gonna play these things."

I wanna have free time and hang out with my friends. I'm playing the game, is this not enough for you? - No, you don't need free time as a JRPG player. - That is your free time. - That is free time. - I like having friends though. I like hanging out with my friends. - Fair enough.

I don't have time to do this. - We could be playing JRPGs. - We could be doing this while playing JRPGs. - It's crazy, I got on a flight and now I'm recording two podcast episodes and I'm gonna have a meeting and the same amount of time I could have done like one mission in Final Fantasy VII Rebirth. You know what I mean? - I still need to play Final Fantasy VII Rebirth. - It's fucking ridiculous. - Yeah. - It's actually unhinged. - Rebirth? - Yeah. - Yeah, I finished it. I 100%ed it actually. - Oh my God. - That must have been hell.

Because I heard how much side shit there was doing that. That's the problem. Okay, so the reason why I think the remake was probably better than Rebirth is because I think they did too much padding out in Rebirth with a lot of side quest stuff. Rebirth's the first one, right?

- Rebirth is the second one. - Remake is the first one. - Oh, so you think the first one's better than that? - I think the first one's better than the second one. - Do you think? - That is not the first time I've heard someone say that. - Yeah, I think most people who play both games can agree that the second one, I mean, you know, the story points, like the main story points in Rebirth are like,

great you know great Final Fantasy storytelling and like the cinematics are fucking insane but like they put in so much side stuff that at the end of the day is not necessary at all for the most part to actually complete the game and have an enjoyable time but

But the one side thing that they did add to Rebirth, which I thought at first I was like, this is dumb as shit. But then by the end of it, I was like, I am obsessed. They created a card game called Queen's Blood. Okay. And it's this really interesting system where I'm sure...

the Square Enix is probably eventually gonna turn into like an actual physical like TCG because everyone who played it in Rebirth was just like, at first they were like, what is this shit? I don't wanna, this isn't fighting monsters and leveling up. But then by the end of everyone was like, all right, I gotta optimize my deck and like beat these side characters to get the better cards and shit like that. Like it basically turned like kind of Yu-Gi-Oh-S into it. And yeah, like,

it took me about maybe 80, 90 hours to 100% it. But the first like- - That's it? I've heard people put like 120 hours. - Oh, but like I've like min max that shit like crazy. Like I was like, I want 100% of it, but I don't want to spend like 200 hours doing this 'cause I have other games to play and other shit to do. So I was just like min maxing that shit by looking it up. And also I just got really fucking good at Queens Blood.

where I'm just like- - Nah, I beat you. - It's like, nah, I win. Yeah, but that side quest, the Queen's Blood shit was so good. But then there are other ones that were just like,

like, you know, just fucking like, there was a segment where it's like every town you went to, there was a piano there and like, you had to get Tifa to like do basically like a rhythm game type of thing to like play every song in the game and stuff. - That sounds so annoying. - Yeah, it was just like, I'll just do it just 'cause I'm already this far in. - Is the story completely different now by the point in this game?

Yeah. Story segments are different. I don't want to give too much away, obviously, but it is not. Completely different or reworked? Because those are like two different things. Because I know in the first one, they kind of went off course. Yeah. It's basically, I think I saw somewhere that Nomura was like, it's set in a different timeline. Yeah, I saw that too. Yeah, where it's like, it's just as canon as the original, but it's just in a different timeline. And I'm like, okay. Uh-huh.

- You're really trying to save your ass right here. - You can't say it's just as canon. You can have your fucking cake and eat it. - Yeah, but this is Nomura. He doesn't know what the word canon means. But no, it was good. And I'm looking forward to the third game when it comes out in 2027. - Do you think it holds up to the,

to the original or do you think it's kind of a different product? - But I have a really soft spot for the original obviously, 'cause I like grew up with it. But if you've never played the original seven, I think the remakes is still a great experience. Like all the best parts about like the cast of characters and everything is like, I think just as good and just as well explored as the original, but you don't get like that magic of the original. But then again, it's hard to like convince like,

you know, a 15 year old kid today who's like used to like God tier graphics in video games to go back to the fucking eggbeater hand cloud in, you know, PS1 graphics, right? Like it's difficult. So like, I think they did a good move on the remakes and apparently they're remaking nine as well from what I heard. I think, isn't it been like rumored for ages and 10 has been rumored. Yeah. And 10, but 10 has been remade so many, Oh, remastered so many times. Remastered is, I mean,

That means they just run it through like the thing that goes up. - They just run it through like an AI filter that upscales it basically. - I mean, obviously not all of them do that. - Yeah. - They'll be like, "Oh, actually." But like a lot of the times they're just like smooth. - Yeah. - Smooth. - But also the original 10 and 10 too still look amazing to this day. - Yeah, I gotta play it. - They look great. - I gotta play it. - Yeah. - It sucks 'cause then now I played two Final Fantasies and Chrono Triggered and I'm trying to get through it.

I'm trying to play the other Final Fantasies that I want to play. What's the next one you want to play? 10? I'm kind of torn between either 9, 10, or 6. Yeah. Everyone's like 6 is the greatest of all time, but I know that people just aren't going to be into 6 as much as they will be into 10. If you're going to stream it, 6 might be difficult. I mean, 6 is my favorite, but... I mean, Chrono Trigger, like, I think... That's just the perfect, I think, length, honestly. Like, JRPG, like, Chrono Trigger. Oh, 6 is like...

- Six is like probably an average play through would be like 80 hours.

It's a long game.

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- Howlongtobeat.com. - Yeah, howlongtobeat.com. - That's how I normally plan my streams out. - What does howlongtobeat.com say about six? - Yeah, because like, if a game is like 20 hours, that's a completely different commitment to me than a 12 hour game. 'Cause that means now I have to like do two separate streams. But like, you know, not, you know, I'm a streamer, so I pay attention to this stuff, but "Grenade Trigger", when I was playing like eight,

And seven, I had a really, really good view share. When I was playing Chrono Trigger, it was a lot less. So I think a lot of people were like less into it. I mean, it's hard to get people to watch JRPGs or just like- I don't know. I think there's a way to do it. I think like- Okay. How long to beat is saying main story, not including side quests, is 34 hours. Oh, that's pretty good. Okay. That-

- That's too strange. - Doesn't seem right. - What I've noticed about playing story-based games is that the game better be an absolute classic that everyone has to have played. - You can't play some brand new JRPG that is not the biggest shit ever. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even Persona, I don't think is big enough for a brand to stream. - I wouldn't stream Persona. - Pretty much it's just Final Fantasy.

that I can think of actually pulling in like view numbers. - I mean, for me it's great. Cause I just get to like play a game that I'm kind of trying to get into and it's like, all right, I think it's cool work. But I secretly just wanna play Chrono Trigger. I wanna just hang out and play Chrono Trigger for nine hours. - I'm just glad you enjoyed it. - Dude, I mean, how can I not? I think if you didn't enjoy Chrono Trigger,

- You're not a gamer. - You got a dent in your head. Honestly, I mean, it's like so good. - It is good. - Yeah, I really loved it. I've got to find more games to play. - Earthbound bro, play Earthbound. Play Earthbound. - Who's gonna watch Earthbound? - I'm replaying Mother 3 on Twitch. - This is the problem, the more JRPGs I play, the more weird people come into my comments being like, you gotta play this game.

JRPG that I've never heard of. Play Blue Dragon. No, I'm not playing Blue Dragon. I did that once. I only made my mistake. I 100%ed that, by the way. Play Dragon Quest XI. No, no. You're worse than them now, Joe. That's good, though. I'm not doing any of these. It's so good. I'm not doing this. You should try a Tales game. I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that.

- I paid a, I paid a- - Yeah, not trails. - I paid a Buzzeria, whatever it's called. - Buzzeria? - Yeah, Buzzeria sucked. - Did I get the title right? - Yeah. - Oh, shit. - Buzzeria sucks, though. - That's the one with the edgy- - Would've been great if I put 15 hours in that game and fucking passed out at the bottom. That's the one with the edgy chick, right? - Buzzeria is the Akamega kill of Tales games.

It is. I mean, it's not as bad as like Zestiria, but it's not the highlight of the series. You can blame my German friend who told me to play that one. And I kind of got bored. Wow. Yeah. I didn't even finish Berserker. I remember I had fun with it, but you know when you...

Like there was nothing wrong with it. But when I turned off the game, went to bed, there was nothing in my brain that was like booted up tomorrow. - Nothing stuck with you? - Yeah. - Like I wasn't like bored playing it, right? But there's nothing that made me think that I have to play this game. - Do you know the only reason I finished that game? - Why? - Is because I streamed that game. And this was before I had like a stream. - That's why I hate streaming games. They're super long. It's like, what if I do one stream? All people are gonna ask me is when am I gonna finish it?

Even though like half the viewers don't give a fuck. There'll be like 10 people that are like, hey, when are you finishing Tales of Berseria? When are you finishing that? When are you finishing that? I'm not. It sucked, okay? It sucked. What are you going to do? All right? No one liked it. No one watched. You didn't show up. You watched the VOD, okay? Yeah. You just want to see the highlights of the story. But I mean, I like that because I like-

it's also like a fun challenge because you know on the on the section I've been doing we've been like we uploaded like the the whole seven stream into one yeah so it's kind of fun tackling how do you make 40 hours into like an hour to two hour video that's really like fun yeah engaging and uh that's always a fun challenge and I love uploading those videos you say it's a fun challenge but are

- It's not a challenge for you. - It's not a challenge for me. - Okay, Mudan sends me like the video and then I sit there for like two hours and like going through it and chopping it down. Actually that one, that one was actually very helpful because the editor was a Final Fantasy nerd.

which helps so much because normally- - So then you immediately were all the good parts. - Yeah, because like when we did like "Fear and Hunger", Munim was like, "I don't know what the fuck this is." So he just did a bunch of stuff. So I'll get like a double the length video that what actually makes it and then I'll normally,

OBS screen record me watching the draft and then give live notes and then add voiceover live. And so then he just gets this two hour, like two, three hour video. - That sounds like the most cancerous way to go about it. - No, it's the best way to do it. - I've never seen it in my life. - No, no, no, no, because if I have to write down notes, this video is never getting made. So if I can just go on the thing, record the voiceover while I'm doing the notes, it's like, oh, he can just go through it. It's a really great system to like,

get because we're going through like two videos a week some of these videos are three hours long we we gotta like find a better system than writing notes it takes too long

- Writing notes does not take too long. - It takes so fucking long. - What is it? How does it take- - Well, no, you can say that 'cause you write scripts. - You write a bunch. You write a bunch. - You write a bunch. - You write scripts. For me, it's like, okay, I'll pause, like we'll be 10 minutes in. I'll be like, okay, cut this from this timestamp to this timestamp and I'm gonna call a voiceover right now. Put this voiceover in right here instead. And then they just cut it out. - Have you ever used Frame.io? - No, I gotta start using that though. That'd help a lot. - Yeah, yeah, that's literally just like- - I don't wanna write. I wanna talk.

Okay. So I got like a true YouTube. I want to, I don't, I'm looking to verbalize because I'm also recording the voiceover, right? With the frame IO, like there are these tools that they've made that it's like, I imagine a YouTube video, but like you can make annotations on it on like a timestamp. And it's very helpful. I think when you're working in a big team, but because it's just literally just me and Mudan, like we're doing a video right now where like the first draft is five hours. So that, that video process was like,

because it's the first game called void stranger that i played it's like a really it's finished so that's how you already know it's weird okay right um but it's like a mess of a story when you play it like like in one go really interesting and like a really like compelling game but to kind of present it as a youtube video requires so much fucking work and i don't expect the editor to have put 50 hours into it like i have because like that's ridiculous so he'll he'll edit like

So that, I mean, this one's like way more complicated, but we'll have like people writing notes to send to the editor of like all the key moments to put in. And then we'll start fleshing it out with each moment. It's a nightmare. - I know what you play next. I got it. - Okay, well. - Perfect. Finish near automata. That's actually perfect stream content. - Finish? - Yeah. - Finish near automata. - I remember you said like you tried it and then you like couldn't get past the tutorial.

- There was a Finnish, like the language Finnish. - Oh no. - Like there was a Finnish version. - Like bunch of people in Finland made it like a mod. - They remade Nier but really fucked up and finished. - Specifically the fucked up version of Nier. - If a bunch of Finnish people remade Nier and added all the bunch of the Finnish quirks, I'd be down. No, yeah, I got so pissed off that I died.

30 minutes into this tutorial. And for some reason they make you restart the whole fucking tutorial. Why do they do that? - Yoko Taro's a troll, bro. - Honestly, I think it's perfect. 'Cause number one, it is really fucking popular. Number two, there's so many weird moments in it that it's just gonna get so many good reactions.

- How long is the game? - There's 26 endings, bro. - That's fucked. - No, you just- - That's fucked, Joey. - No, but- - That's fucked up that you would say that. - There's 26 endings, but 21, 22 of them- - Let's check. - How long to be right now? How long to be? - Let's check. - 21 or 22 of them are meme endings. So they just like, you do a certain thing and it says like game over and it shows the ending, but like you can go back to the previous save. - He's the guy that loves porn, right? - Huh? - He loves porn, right? - Well, he loves near porn, yeah.

- How long to beat "Near Automata?" About 21 hours. - Oh, that's great. - Yeah. - Is that all three endings? - This is where it gets confusing. - Is that just the A ending? - What do you mean by that? - Okay, so "Near Automata," there's like an A end. So basically I said 26 endings because all of the endings are named after letters in the alphabet. - Yeah. - Right? So there's an A ending, which is like basically the first part of the game. And then it goes into the B part of the story.

And then you do the B ending and then it goes into the next part of the story. And from there to get the final, final ending, there's either a C ending or D ending. Oh,

- So in reality- - He's complicating this. You know there's like different characters in there. - Yeah. I know there's like A2 and B2. - Yeah, yeah. - 2B. - No, there's A2. - 9S. - You're 2B. - 9S. - Okay, okay. So first you play as the girl, the one that everyone's thirsting over. And then you finish the storyline and then you,

you restart the story through a completely different perspective. So although like you're replaying it, what you're really doing is getting a different perspective of the same story, but you're getting so much more. - This is why he's a YouTuber, man. He just tricked me into thinking that it sounded good. - It is good though. - And you explained to me that it sounded boring. - Sorry, I'm in jail for you. - You're like, actually there are 21.

- What the fuck? - So what people mean when they say there's three different endings, what they really mean is you get to the ending of the story three different times, but through three different perspective. And each time you get a new perspective, it adds more to your understanding of the story. - And the remaining ones are all meme endings that Yoko Taro threw in just to troll the player. - No, I mean, like I'm down. I also just love the weird games. Like I think indie games are doing some really crazy stuff right now. And it happened for a long time. They're really cool.

And I just love that there's just this, when we played that game, "Void Stranger" was talking about. I can't recommend it. - Which one? - It's brutal. "Void Stranger." It's a Sokoban type game. - Okay. - The fuck is that? I mean, it's a Japanese, like warehouse keeper. Is that what it means? - Sokoban? - Yeah. - Warehouse keeper. - It's like you move blocks.

You know those iPhone S games where you like move the blocks to get out. - Wait, hold on. Let me see this game. What's it called? - "Void Stranger." - "Void Stranger." - And it basically tells a story kind of the same way. Like you beat the game and then like- - Oh yes, I have seen this. - And like when I played it, there was like one YouTube video out about it that kind of explained the story. And there's the longest video that explains the story

- Yeah, yeah. - Oh, that one. - I have seen this. I've been wanting to play this actually. - The guy, this is, I knew I had to play it when the longest, like the one hour explainer video opens up with, "So I haven't beaten the game yet, but here's what I think of the story so far." And I was like, "Oh, okay, I got it." - Did you finish it? - I think I did.

- 'Cause like you have to understand like the game is so, it's literally just steam forums where people are collecting information. There's no like one giant base of information that explains everything neatly. It's all just like snippets from different forums. - There's no like game fact of it or anything. - People have made guides on how to beat certain levels, which is very helpful because some puzzles are very tough, but there's no like cohesive. And every single time I read a different story analysis, they're all wildly different.

So I was kind of like very confused about what the actual point was. - All right, continue talking. I'm gonna go piss, but I have a feeling I'm gonna piss a lot. So I'll take a piss. - You should drink a beer. - Yeah. - But it was cool. I think it's a very Joey game, but also dude, it's so troll 'cause you like- - Wait, what makes it a me game? - Whoa! - It's just tedious, but that's how you get the story.

- God's gone. - Why does that make it a B game? - You know what's so fucked about this game? So John's playing it too.

'Cause I actually, when I found out about this game, I messaged John. I was like, "John, this looks like a John game." And John goes- - John and I do like the same game. - Yeah, John goes, "Actually, I'm 15 hours in." And I was like, "Okay." And I was like, "Do you think it'd be a good stream game?" He was like, "I don't think so." And he was absolutely right. It was a terrible stream game. It was impossible for viewers to keep up with what was going on 'cause I was playing it and I didn't know what the fuck was going on. So, and I had a call with John about like a month ago and John had put about 40 hours in this game.

I'll just say this. Me and John with 40 hours in the game, we're basically playing a different game. Oh, wow. Okay. Because there's like some pieces of information that are so crucial for certain things and very easy to miss. Oh, I love the sound of that. And... That does sound like a me game. But the problem is, the problem is, is that...

If you miss certain things, the next 40 hours become absolute pain. - Which means? - In this game. It's a knowledge based game, aka games that the only, there's no levels, there's no XP, there's no kind of- - It's about how much you know about the game. - It's purely about your knowledge of the game. - Sure. - And so having that,

pretty much is the entire game. So it's honestly, as well at some points, it's impossible to do without a guide. - Oh wow. - That was like one or two puzzles where I kind of understood what it wanted me to do. And without a guide, I just couldn't do it. Even though we had like, I had live consultations with viewers. Like we were all going through it, trying to brainstorm how to solve this puzzle and no one could figure it out.

And then I looked at the solution. I was like, fuck you. Fuck you, man. It's fucking stupid. It doesn't make any fucking sense. Oh, that sounds awesome. Yeah. Yeah. You'd like it. I love that. Oh my God. And it's by a Finnish. Is it only? Wait, you just like Finnish games now? Because they like torture you? You gotta know something about Finnish game devs. Something's going wrong in Finland. I don't know what's wrong in Finland, but for some reason it makes these amazing game devs that make just the coolest,

It's because everyone forgets about them compared to the other Scandinavian countries. Including us and Artur, by the way. A worrying amount of Finnish games have suicide as an ability in the game. So I don't know what's going on in Finland, but they're just so...

cool and creative in a way that allows them to like just really make these like really interesting experiences. - The first thing I find when I type in Boyd Gaze on Google is a PC gamer article that says, "A seemingly innocent puzzle game is hiding what might be the most subversive fourth wall breaking adventure since Undertale." - Ooh. - I think the problem- - That's a big claim. - I'd say, yeah, it's got like a good, it's like, it does make me feel similarly, but I feel that there's one thing that Undertale did so well was,

it gave you a lot of options, but it always directed you on a path to find something out. - Yeah. - Yeah. - The problem with this game is you could literally be in a loop and find nothing out. - God damn. - And like, there'd be times where I would need to go and do a certain, find a certain piece of information, but it required me restarting the run and then going to do like 50 levels of puzzles to get one piece of information. It wouldn't help much.

Or it could be not- - That sounds like hell. - That sounds like torture. - Absolutely is fucking hell. - You're just looking for another, what's it called? - A YouTube video? - No, no, no, "Fear and Hunger." - You're looking for another "Fear and Hunger." - He's updating it. He's updating it. So the second game is gonna get a huge update with extra, I'm so pumped. I love those games. The more I play other games, the more I realize how fucking good "Fear and Hunger" is. How fucking good it is. What a fucking cool world.

- We're just fucking masochists. - No, I just think like, I've never had a horror game that's like got to me like that. I just don't know how to explain it. It's so good. I'm a simp. - I mean, I've seen John's video. He's fully sold me on it. But I also at the same time, I'm terrified to start it. - No, you can start it. It's not that hard. It's hard, it's long. It's not that long. - No, but it's not even that. It's the fact that like John posted, John by the way is super high patch for subscribe if you don't know him. - If I had him on the show.

The way John described it in his video was so compelling. And I'm like, wow, this is a- John's always good at doing that. Oh, he's amazing at that. But he did it in such a good way where it's like, God damn, I want to experience this game for myself. But he made it sound absolutely terrifying. Yeah. So much so that it almost didn't, I didn't want to do it.

I just like those types of pieces of media. You know, sometimes you just like experiencing stuff vicariously to other people. Totally. And watching Connor's streams, watching John's videos, I'm like...

"All right, that's a good experience." - I feel like I played the game. - Now that I got to, 'cause at that time when I streamed it, it was literally like the day after John released that video. And the reason why I played "Fear and Hunger" was 'cause I saw that John released a video and I watched like a minute and I was like, "All right, you know what, fuck it." I was gonna play something else that day. I was like, "You know what, fuck it, I'm gonna stream this game all day today."

I thought it was going to be unshowable on Twitch because I had to download some weird mod just to censor it. Oh, yeah. So I had to stream it. And whenever I watch YouTube videos, people showing the actual dicks and stuff, I'm like, oh my God, yeah, I forgot it looks like this. Yeah. Because I've only ever played it with the fucking pine cones covering the dick.

So, but it was at a time where the game, where people didn't know a lot about this game. It was so kind of like, if you hadn't watched John's video, you hadn't heard about this game. Yeah, yeah. So getting to experience that firsthand with no one, no one in the viewership able to spoil it was so cool. Yeah. Because it was literally just a...

I got to share a first time experience with like 10,000 other people. And we were all constantly in shock of like what this game was throwing at us. And I'm constantly chasing that high now and I can't find it. Yeah. I mean, that's, I've, I pretty much have never experienced that when I'm streaming a game. It's the best feeling ever. By the time I stream a game, even if it's like, you know, something like fucking Among Us or Lethal Company. By the time I play the game, I feel like everyone's already underrated.

Every inch of it has been covered. Every inch of it has been covered. Everyone has optimized the shit out of this. And I'm like, well...

- The magic score. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Even more so with like the second game, like it was a completely different setting, different story, different characters. And it had even less videos about, there's like, like when I'd beaten "Fear and Hunger," beaten, played it, and then I wanted to try the second one, I was really scared 'cause the first one was so tough that I was like, I don't know how to beat this. So I looked online, I was like, is there any like beginner advice they recommend taking? And there was like nothing. There's literally like two videos about the game that were like kind of big.

Shout out to Wormgill, those videos are great. But there was pretty much no videos kind of telling you how to progress through the game, which is so cool. 'Cause the game was so fucking hard, but really rewarding when you figured it out. And then they recently patched the thing that I did to like beat the game. I found there was this OP- - You found an exploit? - There was an OP strat where you could like lifesteal

and then when you went down to, like, it was a whole combo of things. Basically, you couldn't die. Right. Um, and then he, he patched it out of the game. So, I'm scared to replay it. Yeah. Because I only beat it abusing that. So, I'm like, I don't want to go back and show that I'm a little bitch boy who didn't play it. But I really want to replay it again. Yeah. Did you miss the OG days of, like, no internets and, uh,

like having to buy strategy guides. Hell yeah. Which, you know. I miss strategy guides. I was talking about this with a friend the other day when we went to like a retro gaming bar and we were just talking about like, we were playing, um,

We were playing this like old NES Transformer game called Mystery of Convoy. And it's like, it's considered like, it's like a cult classic as like one of the most difficult NES games ever made. And I was like playing through it. And we were just talking about like how, like people can beat this now. Hmm.

because, you know, like people have figured out like strats and like, you know, they've spent, you know, the 20, 30 years since the game came out to like really just like tear this game apart and like figure out all the exploits and stuff. But like, I remember, you know, like back when I was growing up where like,

the whole like, you know, for example, like OG Pokemon game of like the Mew under the truck rumor. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - That was so fun. - That shit was fun as fuck. - All the information had to be spread verbally. - Yeah. - Your mate had heard this rumor that if you do this in the game. - And then, you know, you'd gather to your friend's place and be like, let's see if it's true. And you know, like you'd run up the wall a hundred times to like just find that one, you know, make sure to, you know, to find out if it's like an actual rumor or not, you know? And just like that,

level of mystique I definitely miss with like so many things that I like. - Because now you can like, even if it's the game that's like the hardest game, you can literally just pull up a YouTube video in two minutes and find a speed run of something. - Yeah, totally. - But I remember like back in the arcade days, like I used to play Metal Slug all the time, I was addicted to it. Like I punched a French kid over it, but I'd gotten so good at it 'cause it was the only game I'd ever play. That whenever like kids were playing it, I'd be like, I can help you out.

Let me show you how to do it. - You were like the king of the arcades back then. When you had that knowledge. - I would like just convince, 'cause I was so addicted to playing it. I would just convince these French kids to let me have one of the credits. I'd be like, let me show you how it's done. Let me join in. And then like, especially with like Metal Slug 3, which is such a bullshit game. If you've ever played Metal Slug series, you'll know Metal Slug 3 is fucked. At least the first four levels I was pretty good at to do without dying.

I remember that was one of the first games I played with you. Yes, because I used to play Metal Slug X and I used to do a thing as a kid. Metal Slug 1, 2 was kind of tough, but Metal Slug 1 and X, I used to redo, I'd go with the arcade and I would beat it all in one credit. Damn. Wow.

And it was great 'cause then all I would have to do is ask my parents for one pound or one Euro. And then I would last for like an hour. - It's like hours of fun. - It's an hour 'cause I would beat the whole game on one credit. And I'd be like, this is fucking tight. - What a God game. - Same thing with "Time Crisis" as well. I played "Time Crisis" so much that especially the first one I can do it. I don't know if I can still do it now, but I can definitely do it in like two credits, I think.

Damn. Well, it's live. Sorry. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's interesting because there's always this, you know, especially nowadays. I feel like other kids might do this. He's going to, he's going to pop up right here. Sorry. Yeah. Cause, cause you know, back when we were kids, if you completed a video game, there was some certain video games where it was like a,

- You were like, yeah, you were like the coolest dude. - Even if it was like something like Pokemon, you know, like, you know, even like some of the most mainstream games, but now game design has gone to a place where it's just like, okay. - Microsoft. - Okay. - They've gone accessible. - So there's two, did you hear, actually did you hear like Sony are releasing like a,

what's an autoplay function or something. - Well, they patent it, right? - Yeah, they patent it like an autoplay function for like certain video games and got fucking clowned on like to like- - It's like they're pretending that like mobile games haven't had this for ages. - Yeah, exactly, exactly. And you know, I can see like two camps into it, right?

because we're going to be peeing a lot. I can see like two camps there because, you know, at a certain point, a lot of gamers have grown up to be adults with lives and less free time. And sometimes you just want to like shut off and just like put inputs in and just experience the game. Well, you want to watch a movie.

- You wanna- - I mean, I saw like the top comment and reply to I think the tweet about it was like the image of Conan playing God of War, the new one. And he's like, "I've been holding this for control for 45 minutes and I haven't put anything in." 'Cause it's just all cut scenes, right? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it's okay. It's kind of like the trade off. It's kind of like a trade off, not so much a movie, but it's the sense of achievement versus,

Getting content that you paid money for. You know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, in terms of autoplay, should it be in games? Yeah, I'm down. I mean, it's accessibility, right? I think that if you want to experience a video game and for whatever reason you are

or unable to input on a difficult moment or whatever. I think having more accessibility there is fantastic. And I think that Sony's been one of the companies, especially with the in-house games. Like I know the Last of Us series is really good with the accessibility options. You can customize the shit out of that game. You can make it so like the characters are blobs, like red outlines. Oh.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever kind of visual or physical impairment you have, you can make the game work for you. And in that sense, I'm really down for it. So I think it's just a knee-jerk reaction to gamers hearing anything like less gaming. You're like, oh, the turns like games away. The turns like gaming away from us. The turns like movies. And also sometimes when...

sometimes there is a point where you just like play a game or replay a game and there's some sections that you're like, I do not want to play this. Look, when you force me to do a fucking stealth mission in a, in a, like an action game or a trading mission, give me the autoplay function. Yeah. Give me the skip function. Yeah. Because I am, I am like, they're trying to speed run it. And I, I immediately get like spotted. I'm like, let's players are on like the careers ruins. Now it comes out.

- There'll never be a Let's Player ever again. Walkthroughs have been changed. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Oh my God, yeah. - Yeah, so like, you know, and you can argue, well, just make better game design, which I, you know, obviously I agree with. - Come on game designers, get with it. - It's like if you watch a TV show and you know, you watch, I don't know if you've ever done this. You rewatch a TV show.

You watch like five episodes of episode one to five and then you're like, I'm gonna skip episode six. I don't know.

i've never done that or i've sped up through it because i've been like uh this is kind of and i'm sure everybody watched it right and i wanted to get to the point so i wanted to like okay i've actually okay it's it's not i've not so much i've sped up on it but i'm like oh can we just can we just like get through this and get to the shit i actually care about i actually i actually uh felt that recently because i recently watched um invincible season two what the fuck what did you skip

What did you skip in this season? I didn't skip anything. Oh, okay. It was more of they were like, okay, so there's the storyline I care about. Oh, yeah. Which is like the Viltrumites, right? Yeah. Everything to do with- You like some of the romance? You're like, stop, stop. Everything to do with that. And then I was like, all right, this is the shit I care about. And then there are some like super villains that I'm like-

Are you really important? Are you? Oh, you mean with like the, when they, the, like the lizard people? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, I think that,

The one thing that I'm really, that I've liked about Invincible is that I feel like they're doing a great job of like planting seeds. Yeah. Of like stuff that's going to happen in a way that doesn't feel like, like they're like, look, something's going to happen, guys. It's just little things happen where I feel like there's rippling consequences in this universe that I really jive with. Yeah, yeah. And I think that

even stuff like that, inconsequential, it helps really impact the characters in a way that changes them permanently, which I really like. The romance, I kind of wish it wasn't as much, but I can appreciate what it's doing. - I know it's fun. Okay, I had this realization. Remember when we talked about, hey, I talked about, I can't really get into Western or live action romances? - Yeah.

- It's uncomfortably like too much at times. I understand. - I think I've realized why. I think I've realized why I couldn't get into it. Okay, this might be a hot take. I think love is just like cringe.

- Telling Sydney right now. - The one married man on the podcast. - That's so funny that you would use the word cringe. - All right, all right. - Love is just objectively cringe. You know what, all the gadget gamers probably just went like, put it in that meme where they go. - Yeah. - Like, hold on, hold on. - He's got a point now. - Let me justify this, like real love, like real in-- - Because it's messy, it's messy. - It's messy, okay, okay.

Real love is messy. It's not plain. It's not easy. You have to fight for it. It's not fun to watch. Okay. Even when we have, you know, times when we have met our partners and shit like that.

would you be able to go back through your original DMs where you were originally like flirting, talking romantically with them and not cringe the fuck out of them? - Fuck no. - That's what I'm saying, right? That's what I'm saying. Love is fucking cringe. - But women love that shit. - Romance is fucking cringe. - I don't think just women like romance. - No, women love going back at the old DMs and being like, "You remember how cute you were

- Do they? - Yeah, at least Aki does. And I'm just like, please don't. - Do you know what I discovered recently? Oh God.

- Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. - God, don't lean on the mic, Shemar. - Sorry, sorry. But I found this document saved on my Google Drive and I'm like, "What is this document?" It was old Skype logs of me and Sydney talking.

back uh where you saved the sky vlogs yeah yeah i saved the sky vlog to uh when i confessed because that's so cute because at the time i was like i'm gonna want to remember this yeah and i was that's actually so sweet but i and i was like at the time i was like oh i'm gonna want to remember this and i and i do want to remember this but i i forgot that i'd saved it and i i i was reading it and i'm just like

I cannot get through this shit, man. - Very, very sweet. Would not want to read that. - I've seen old like YouTube DM messages between like Aki and I back in the day. - Really, you message other YouTube channels?

- Yeah, you remember when YouTube was a thing? I've seen some of the old ones and some of the old Skype blogs and I'm just like, I used XD way too much. - Okay, I was gonna say, I was gonna say like you- - There's an unhealthy amount of XD. - You go through your old messages and you like, okay, like back in the day, you know, I saw, I use like the winky face sometimes and I'm like,

- Winking is objectively a cringe act. - It is a cringe act. - No, what's worse is the winky cat face. - No, don't do that. Don't do that. Okay, okay. So your complaint is that you don't wanna watch real romance 'cause it's too...

- It is messy. - It is messy. It is cringe. And you know, even my own, you know, even though, you know, even though when you're flirting, it, you know, it's, there is a connection between you and the other person. - I mean, it's such a vulnerable thing. - Yeah, it's a very vulnerable thing, but viewed through a third person perspective, you watch two couples be a couple in their own private like home, you are cringe.

- Are you saying I'm cringe for watching "Invincible" and the more I'm- - No, no, no, no, no. No, what I'm saying is, okay, let's say anyone who is going out right now or is married or has a couple right now

When you are by yourself with your partner, no one else watching, let's be real here. - You cringe, yeah. - You do some cringe shit. - Oh, I do, yeah. - You do shit that you're like, fuck, if anyone ever fucking filmed this. - If the boys found out what I do. - You're right. - In my private time with my partner, God damn, they will never talk to me again.

Oh my god, there is still one moment. That's literally the entire Napoleon movie. That's literally the entire Napoleon movie. If the boys found out how I was acting, that's literally the entire Napoleon movie. They'll never respect me again. You cannot respect Napoleon after you watch that movie. I have this one thing I'm going to publicize, I guess. So...

So, you know, when you talk to your girl, sometimes you act a little bit differently, right? Sure. So Sydney sent me like a lovey-dovey message, as she does. And I was like a little bit drunk. And I reply back in the same like lovey-dovey style, wishing her well. And then I close the app. I wake up.

I sent it to Alan. I sent it to my editor, by the way. My editor. Well, he must have been very happy. And he just... Love you too, bro. And he just, he sends me, I wake up to this reply and it's just, and it's just Alan being a real fucking bro, being like, I'm gonna do you a favor.

I'm a pretend I didn't see that. And I'm never going to mention this again. And I'm just like, and then he never did. And I still think about that to this day. I've done something similar, but I send it to my sister instead. Oh no. Oh no. And she was just like, are you drunk? And I was like,

Yes, I wasn't drunk. I was just an idiot. So getting back to why...

I like anime romance is because that to me feels so idealized and unrealistic that I'm like, okay, I can invest myself in that romance because it's so far beyond. - Yeah, but they've never had to face a challenge. They've never had to- - I get that, but then after you've seen so many of those, it becomes so unrealistic that you're just like- - So predictable. - Yeah, the realistic side of you is just like, wait, this is just bullshit though. - I think like it's supposed to be, I think romance in shows

is meant to be messy, meant to be cringe, meant to be uncomfortable, meant to make you question like, you know, who's in the right or wrong, but then be like, wait, that's not what it's about. It's not about who's right or wrong. It's about how do these characters feel and how is this impacting them? I think Invincible does a really good job. Although sometimes I will, yes, you are like, for fuck's sake, get on with the Viltrumites. Although it didn't fucking help. They split it into two fucking parts. So when they do spend a whole fucking hour,

watching Mark fuck around, having to like figure out his romance. You're like, God damn it. We only got three more episodes after this. For fuck's sake. I wouldn't mind if I had eight, but they made me, they gave me four. So I think that's the, TLDR, all they hate about Invincible is how they split it in half. The thing is, don't do that ever again.

The thing is, I get the point of what it adds to the story and what it adds to the character. But at the end of the day, I just didn't find it engaging to be like, oh, okay, I got to... I mean, I felt like...

You know, it's like their way of showing that Mark is more human than his dad. Yeah, yeah. And I like that. I get that. But I mean, then his dad's going to be like, hold on. I feel the same. Maybe I'm the same. I don't know. Just like me, for real. Yeah. You know, and I get that. But at the same time, it's just this thing where I get the purpose, but at the same time, I can't stop this part of my brain from being like,

"Oh, okay, I get what you're trying to do, but can we just get to the shit I care about? Can we actually just get to the shit I care about?" - That's how you know you've watched too much anime. - The reason you care about Mark is 'cause of all this shit.

If Mark was just only hitting, like slapping people around, you'd be like, I shouldn't go Joe in it. Just a lot of people care about that. Well, because they want to fuck. Yeah. It's a very different, different, different, different, different.

- I saw a list actually. It was like, I think it was like the Japanese rankings of the ships in Jujutsu Kaisen. Did you see this? And only one out of the top 20 was hetero. The rest were all homo ships. It was so funny. - Let's see if I can find the list. - Japan is so horny.

- It's incredible. It's incredible how horny they are for like homo relationships. - I got something to add on to this winner after Joey. - Yeah, okay, so I found it. It is the top 20 Junsu Kaisen ships in Japan 2024. And this is gathered from Pixiv. - And only one of them is hetero. - The only hetero one is number six, which is Gojo and Uta Himo. - Who the fuck is Uta Himo?

I don't know. I'm not, I don't watch Shizuka. - I liked it, but I don't remember the name. - But the number one by far. - Oh, I know, I know, yeah. - What is it? - Gojo and Yuji. - Yeah, it's Gojo and Yuji. - Gojo and Yuji. - That's just shit, shit. - And then number two is Gojo and Megumi and then Gojo and Geto and then Sukuna and Yuji.

Megumi Yuji, Sukuna Megumi, Nanami Yuji. They're literally just listing the popular characters. Yeah. Also, my boy Toto isn't on there, which is a big fucking... Toto's not in this top 20. Did you hear about Free Ren's popularity poll? No. So Free Ren, the manga, also did a popularity poll. Okay. Do you want to guess where Free Ren came? Probably like 7th. She came 5th.

- I'm not surprised. - I'm not surprised. - I don't really like Fu Ran that much. - Who do you think came number one? - Stark? - No. - Fran? - It was Himmel. Himmel came number one. - Himmel's kind of a good one. - Okay, but who do you think came number two? - It's gotta be Stark. Come on, my boy, Stark. - It was Aura. - What? - Aura? - The fucking little- - Armpit girl? - No, not the armpit girl.

- I'm terrible remembering names. - You know the little small little fucking demon lord that like, - What? - Like offed herself? - Why is she number two? - Because she's the - It's Japan, isn't it? - Okay. - That's concerning. Who's number three? - Number three was Fern.

- Number four was Ubele. - The armpit girl. - The armpit girl. - Where's Stark? - Stark is seventh. - What the fuck? Dude, okay, have we all watched Rebent? - Yes. - The biggest injustice in that show is Stark having to put up with these two socially ass inept women.

- So annoying, I feel so bad for Stark. - Stark got beaten by that one little fucking demon girl that appeared for like one episode. - Who is that girl? - Oh my God. - That's the girl that like Fern defeated in like one episode. She gave me sick. - Whenever Fern gets pissed off at Stark, I'm like, you are in the wrong. You are the problem here. Why are you acting like he did anything wrong? I am so worked up man.

- Do you feel the same? Am I crazy? - That is the most Japan poll I've ever seen in my life. - And I'm like, wait, actually this checks out because apart from Himmel being an absolute giga chat, this checks out to how much fan art I've seen of each of these characters. - Yeah, totally. - I cannot stand Fern in the show. I love the show, but whenever Fern talks,

She's just always so selfish. I'm like, I can't do this. I can't watch this. No, she's like... I think she's an accurate representation of just a fucking teenage girl. She's a really well-written character because... That's why I hate her, though. But I can't look away. It's a very good show. I mean, it's an amazing show. I do think that the last arc was a little...

a little long compared to the rest of the show, the pacing wise, but it was still a banger show. Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean, I mean like I, I, I get what you're talking about, but at the same time I'm like, I've met girls like Fern, like, you know, they, they, they have, they have trouble verbalizing their feelings. It's like the right way. So it really comes out in like a completely different way. But that's why it's good. Cause I, I dislike Fern.

Huh? Yeah, I would never want to be around a character like that, but that's why it's so good cuz yeah other animes I'm like, okay. Yeah, but like I actively whenever I'm watching them I'm like screaming at the TV by trying to backseat, but that's why it's so gigs. I'm so invested. Yeah, it's so good And free rent. Oh my god, don't get me started. Also. I mean him all what the fuck man. Just say something What the fuck?

- Bro, what do you mean? - That is the most unrealistic part of that show is that he was that horny for that long and didn't say anything. - I feel like he- - A man that egotistical didn't think like, he like- - Okay, okay. - I'm just bottled to some degree. - No, no, no, no.

- I'm a motherfucker, I'd rather die to this to my grave. - Man took it to his grave. - I'm gonna defend him all here because- - No, he's undefendable. - No, no, no, I'm gonna defend him all here, right? Because like when you, okay, when you get to the stage, okay, you, okay. - He's like, well, you are, he was in too deep. - Okay, okay. - He felt like he could- - Imagine this, imagine this, imagine this, all right, tell, you tell your bros. All right, so I put a ring on this girl that I like.

- She didn't say anything. She didn't reciprocate anything. - Okay. - I don't know. I feel like being friend zoned here. - I feel like- - At which point I feel like he has done enough for like a lot of people to like, aside from everyone but Free Run. This is like more Free Run. This is a Free Run thing. If it was any other girl,

They would have gotten the hint like 10 episodes ago. Okay, here's what I would argue, right? Let's say if him was a realistic person, would he go to the fucking grave? Never talking to another woman, never like marrying elsewhere. He's just like-

Yeah, I just kind of accepted that she wasn't into me. Never asked, never checked. I'm just going to go to the grave, be happy that she didn't visit me for 40 years and just die single. Motherfucker, what? You never got, okay, you tell me you had all these years to move on and potentially like find someone else. No, I was just be so into the fact that he's so in love with her, but couldn't have the thought to maybe ask her, maybe that she's just socially inept.

And then you could be like, "Hey, Freeran, this is me saying I like you. How do you feel back? Just so I know, so I can move the fuck on." God damn it, Himmel. That's the most bullshit part about Himmel is that he didn't say anything. That man who won't shut the fuck up about himself, suddenly now he wants to shut the fuck up for 80 years? Unbelievable. I don't believe him.

No shot. Look, look. Freerun was the one who was just like, I'm a yeet, guys. I'm a fuck off. There's no way that his Christian bro wasn't going to be like, bro, come on. Come on now. Come on now.

Either say something or go, come on. We know he would have, right? Also, that's the worst part about the show is that they got rid of the guy who likes older women halfway through. And I'm like, I'm- Do you know why? Do you know why? Because like this- Because he solved all of that drama. Yeah, yeah, he did. He did. It drove me insane when he left. I was like, there's no more sane people in the room.

Honestly, the whole time I was thinking, I was like, you know what, Stark? Yeah, you should have ran away with the monk elf. You should have gone with him. You probably would have lived a Chad life being happy and not having to deal with Fern and her bullshit. Like, the monk was just like, the monk was us. The monk was there to like, say what we were feeling. And then the author was like, wait, this is actually too OP. This is too much EQ right now. I'm gonna,

He's solving every situation too cleanly. Imagine if you have an adult in the room. God forbid. God forbid you have an adult to be like, hey guys, maybe you should talk to each other. Yeah.

- Yeah, literally the scene after he's like, "Hey guys, I think you guys should talk to each other about this." They're like, "All right, see you guys." - I'm done my job. - This solves too much of the show. - He was like the social equivalent of like having Gojo in your story. But instead of like being OP in powers, he was just OP by just being mature.

being social he was like god he was like fuck i've written myself into a corner i don't know where to take the story anymore he's like no i'm gonna write them out i'm gonna write them out there's there's no there's no more conflict in the story anymore i like free run though free run though fear doesn't fear doesn't get in the way fear and doesn't like uh make her a

Like when she's like just thinking, she's like, "All right, I'm just gonna do my own thing." - Yeah, "Free Run" to me- - She's chill. - "Free Run" to me has made the character trope that I despise the most actually like likable and understandable. - I think it's presented in a way where it's framed in a way that makes a lot of sense to the viewers. - Yeah. - And like a lot of the consequences of it are also- - It's not false. I think it was the best thing. - Yeah, and it's not like she doesn't see any consequences from being this way. - It's not like the, "Oh, I have no emotions."

Oh, I'm a Kudari. Oh, what is- - Yeah, she didn't Nagato Yuki that shit, you know? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Or it's just like, oh, I'm just an alien. I can't actually talk. I'm like, no, stop, please. - It's like in, not to throw it back, but like, like Noragami, right? Where the god of death who's been around for hundreds of years has just never had to mature 'cause he's just a fucking loser kid. - Wow, that's a real-

- I had to think about that for a second. - That's what it reminded me of. - Where you go with Noragami? - 'Cause he's like a God who's been around for a while and you'd think God's would be so mature, but he's never had to address any of this shit. So when he goes to the human world, he's like, "Oh shit." - Yeah, he's like, "Oh wow, I'm an actual child." - I'm impressed that you remember the plot to Noragami. - I just remember that he was annoying.

I liked him, but he was annoying. Connor does that quite a bit actually, where he mentions like, while we're talking about something else, you mentioned an anime from way back when, where I'm like, fuck, I'm shocked you remember that. I remember like, fuck, how many episodes ago it was? I think it was another drunk episode on this topic. And you randomly brought up Black Bullet. I love Black Bullet. Just for like- Do you fucking remember that show? Yeah. Do you remember the monolith?

- What a weird thing that was. - But like the fact that I'm just like- - Should we go to the lollies? - We don't talk about that. We don't talk about that. - I remember the one scene I remember was- - I'm just, yeah. - This is the one scene I remember when I- - I've definitely blanked whatever this scene is. I don't know what the show is. - When he, I think he saved a school or something. And he was just like, all of the children were just like fucking hugging him.

- I definitely forgot that. - I don't remember that scene. - Did you reckon it came from like a weird angle? - Oh, it definitely, 'cause I remember like, 'cause I remember this watching this way back when even, you know. - Well, yeah, because the main girl's a loli, remember? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - So like clearly there was like some kind of implication with that. - I'm gonna be honest, I just like consumed. I don't think I ever thought about shows. - No, no, this was like even before I ever like thought about shows, but even there were like a few scenes where I'm just like,

That's weird. That's a weird angle to go from. I just didn't think anything of it when I was like 20. But I think it's the older I get, the more I'm like... All I remember was like, oh, the masked man was pretty cool. Yes. That's what I remember too. And the monoliths were weird. That's it. That's the only thing I remember. Yeah. I mean, I really enjoy Free Ren. I think that it's done something amazing because I think...

I think a lot of the times is that when they make socially awkward or inept characters, I feel like it comes from a place of actual just not understanding social situations. But I feel like to write a character like Freeran, you need to...

understand social situations so well to be able, and also what someone who is maybe socially awkward would feel, like genuine empathy towards that, to be able to write characters this well. Especially as like writing teenagers is hard, 'cause teenagers don't make fucking sense. Teenagers are fucking dumb.

- And they annoy the shit out of us. - I mean, Invincible, I mean, even though they're not teenagers, like 20, I don't know how long they're in college. - I mean, they were technically teenagers when they died. - It's insufferable. - Yeah, it's fucking insufferable. - I don't wanna watch kids. I don't wanna watch 21 year olds. I'm dumb. I'm too old for this shit.

- There's something that happens when, I don't know what age it is, but it's like, I've definitely had like 23 where I just start to become like, I can't relate to you guys anymore. We're not the same, you and I. - Well, that's called just getting older. - It's called being jaded. - Yeah, but like I hang out with like, if I hang out with like, I mean like Pete's like 40 and I feel like no difference. - Yeah, but I feel like beyond the age, okay, after 25, I feel like- - It doesn't matter. - I feel like, you know, you can relate to like,

- 'Cause you've paid, you've gone through enough tax cycles. You've gone through enough shitty things happening. You're like, I get it now. - You've adulted, you've gained the adult experience enough. - You've dealt with enough bullshit to know that there's only like more bullshit that you wanna deal with. - The road is looking dark and you are fully aware of it. - You know how I loved the fucking, I forgot his name, but the fucking old guy loved him so much in "Free Run."

- The old magic guy. The one with the monocle. - Huh? - The one with the monocle and the beard. - Oh, that guy. - Oh, the guy who was just like, "Yo, I might be out of mana, but I ain't out of options, baby." - I love him so much. - That was one of the best character writing moments where I was just like, "Okay,

I thought you introduced this guy for me to like hate this guy. And I'm like, wait, he's like the realest one out of everyone taking this exam. He is the sanest guy in the room. And I love him so much. Yeah. It's just such a good character. And I think again, that's what the show has done so well. And the reason why I think we've been spoiled this season, like last season, because we had that show and then we had a pocket theory where like just real fucking good writing of characters. Yeah.

'Cause "Free Wren" and also, I mean, it also was a spectacle in every other sense, but it was amazing. I'm so pumped for more of it. - Yeah. - 28 episodes. What a fucking amazing way to watch the show. It felt like all year we had it. - Do you think it deserves number one of all time? - Not yet. It's getting there. - See, here's the thing. Here's the thing. - That's a blunt hit.

Here's the thing. Not yet. Cigar puffs. Yeah. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Me discussing free rent with the boys, smoking a Cuban. I don't know about that yet. It's always like, it's always like, everyone I ask this question, because I said the exact same thing. It's not ready. It's not ready. But like, but like, I, but like when I think about it, I'm like, can I, can I say anything bad about free rent? It's just like,

Not really, maybe the last arc went on for a bit too long. - A little too long. I do think that's fair to admit. I think I know people, I saw some people say it on Twitter and they got like destroyed, but I actually think it was like a little slow. - I liked the last, I mean. - Well, it was just jarring for the first few episodes 'cause it went from such a highly paced adventure

That was, I mean, highly paced. Highly paced. Well, it was like, they would go through time in a speed that was quite consistent. Sure. And then suddenly they were like, this episode was 20 minutes. Yeah. And it was real time, like in world 20 minutes as well. And you're like, okay, hold on now. This is quite a different speed. Um,

- I also did not care for armpit lady as much as I think Twitter does. - Yeah, but that's Twitter. - That's the fan art. - She's like a DJ and litmus test. Like I think if you look at her and you see her armpit,

and you're super into it, you're too deep. - The armpit was the cherry on top. - Her as a character? - People just like crazy chicks. All right, let's just say it out. - Have we not learned from Muraniki, bro? People love crazy chicks. - They may come in different colors, different flavors, but bro, boys be liking crazy chicks no matter what. - She was my least favorite character actually, I think. And whenever she was on screen, I was like,

- Yeah, but she was there to get like the fucking sales up. You know, she was there to be like- - They were like, well, we have free rent, but maybe we should one more character figure sales just to make sure. - We need some edge in there. We need someone who's a bit unhinged. - We need more ship options. - We need more doujin bait, bro. - Yeah, exactly. - She does feel like doujin bait. - Of course. - Sometimes they're like, like the fucking American psycho card scene. They're like, what about this one? And they're like, hmm, yeah.

Spacing is perfect. Spacing. Just the right amount of crazy. Green puke hair. Short skirt. Yeah, we can work with this. It does feel that way. Perfectly designed. Let's see the armpit real quick.

It just feels like that, dude. I don't know. It feels like it was made for doujinshi. I feel like there's no other, like, I don't know. It's funny because coming from Friar and the manga, I think we've briefly talked about this, but Friar and the manga, when I read it originally, was the most like anti-doujin show. Doujin title I've read because it was so fucking emotional and...

No, that's the thing. The more emotional, the more doujin. The more doujin. I feel like it's changed. I feel like times have changed. Because I was thinking about this. And, you know, there was a time when the most doujins happened to the characters that...

were fan service the most. You go back to the Monogatari era. So many fucking Monogatari. - To Lover, or like, yeah. - And now you look at like waifu bait shows, and a lot of them actually don't have as many doujins as shows like Free Run. - Well, but I think 'cause when you don't present everything,

The imagination does the rest. Yeah. And I think that's what does so well with artwork. I feel like because the new generation has grown up with so much more exposure of like...

horny culture. - Yeah. - I mean, yeah. - I mean, yeah, it is. I guess horny culture that it's just like, if you see someone, if you see a character who is just there for fan service, it's just like, well, I see this in my Twitter timeline every fucking day. - Yeah. - Please do something new. - It's like, it's not enough. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But when you get like one armpit, you're like, oh.

- Wait, hold on. - Oh, wait, wait, hold on, hold on. - It's like, the barrel isn't completely empty. There is ammunition in this gun. - Wait, wait, wait, she just showed her armpit just when she was in, this was like a random battle scene, but I just got distracted, you know? It's just like the barrier for fan service is just, it's either completely degenerate or people calling, okay, here's, okay, opinion, opinion.

When Freiren was just hanging out on the bed and there was just a shot with her like feet, just like, just like, just like hang out on her bed. Does that count as fan service? - Yeah. - For people who love feet, yeah. - You don't have to put that in.

Bro, ask Quentin Tarantino. You don't got to put that in. There's no reason to animate that. What are you showing? What are you gaining? You know what you're doing when you do that. Okay, but the thing is, because you look at that scene and it's just like, oh, okay. It's just a girl. Bro, they put the dogs out in frame. It's just a girl hanging out. It's not like Quentin Tarantino fucking on bed, bro. I wear socks in bed sometimes. Right before if it's a chilly day.

It looks chilly and free-run. - Wait, did you fucking serious? - No, I don't sleep in the socks. But like if I'm like going to bed or like I'm just chilling in bed for a little while, I'll keep the socks on. I want to keep warm. Do you not do that? - That's diabolical. - What's wrong with wearing socks in bed? I'm not sleeping. - Wait, wait, wait. Are you under the covers? - My feet run cold. Yeah, under the covers, under the covers. My feet run really cold.

- My feet don't get cold. - Wait, wait, wait. - My feet are like bone ice after. What do you mean no? - No. - Okay. - You don't believe my feet are cold? - As soon as my feet go undercover, that is like a no sock zone. - Yeah. - Like, okay. - I have the problem where, you know, even if it's like even remotely chilly outside, or even if it's in summer and I put the AC on, like my body will be perfect. My feet will be like rock solid ice.

- I think I have really bad circulation. - No, my feet are like the first things to sweat. - No, dude. - On my body. - My feet never sweat. - Socks are the first thing I take off. - Sometimes you have to wear it, 'cause otherwise my feet feel like they're in rigor mortis. - No, if I don't feel the 1000 thread count of my sheets bare on my feet, then like, it's not right. - The message is when I go to, you've been doing a really nice hotel bed and you're like, can I just, how would you get this?

Do you wear socks inside? Yeah, of course. Let's say it's a weekend. You're not going anywhere. Yeah, I'm not a savage.

- No, hell no. - Am I the weird one here? - No, no, no, you and I are the same. - Okay, okay. - The only time, hell, sometimes I don't even wear socks when I go outside. - That's the Aussie. - I would like to remind you, it is purely out of my feet, run fucking cold as shit. - For me, if I'm not standing on ice directly,

I will not have socks on. - Listen, I'm sure there are people watching this who have poor circulation in their limbs who can attest. - It's a skill issue. - It's not a skill issue. What the fuck is poor circulation? - Just get people's fingers and feet run way colder. - Just move your toes around a little bit. - That's not how that works. - Just move your toes around, yeah.

Just do one of these with your toes. Just warm them up a bit. I only wear socks if there is maybe guests around. But if I'm by myself, if it's the weekend, I'm not going anywhere. I didn't even put socks on when there's guests around. If my socks are too cold,

I turn the heating up. Cause that means the heating in my house is too cold. - That's the one thing where I hate slippers. - Where I love slippers. - I hate slippers because my feet get so sweaty. - Oh my God. Oh my God. You get it. - Right? - You get it. You get it. - Okay. So what your guys are describing is that you both just have good circulation in your feet and they are warm. - Maybe a little too good. - Yeah, cause mine, I put slippers on and it's perfect. - No, when I put, it could be like,

like no heating on, cold as shit outside. The moment I put slippers on, I'm like, my feet feel disgusting. - I mean, yeah. - I'm sweating into these slippers. - It's not a big deal. We just have different circulation. - Yeah, but I just don't like it. - Yeah, but also do you find socks comfortable? - Yeah.

Do you... Depends on the socks for me. Why wouldn't you find the... You need a good pair of socks. That's what it sounds like. Yeah. Okay, no, I... I spent like five years finding the best pair of socks. No, I could... Okay, here's the thing. All right, all right. I went to like... I had like a free-run-ish journey of finding socks. How often... Okay, this is getting completely different. How often do you like just...

hang out in your house with like the least amount of clothes on possible. Like no trousers on, no trousers on. - Never. - Never? - Never. - Home alone? - I don't want my bare skin touching my couch and my PC. - Okay, is this a hot take to say that, you know how like it's like the fucking whole like gamer thing of like, oh, I'm not wearing pants today. I hate not wearing pants. - Yeah, I hate not wearing pants. I don't want my bare skin touching my gamer stuff. - No, the only time I'm not wearing pants is when I'm going to bed.

- Yeah. - Which is where like, I just have like a t-shirt and undies on. - Even sitting on my couch, my couch is like this material. It's not, it doesn't feel good on your skin. - Yeah, I don't want to not wear pants. - Oh fuck, but sometimes it just feels so freeing. - It doesn't. - I feel like sometimes these pants are so baggy, it's amazing. - Yeah, that's why I wear the baggy pants 'cause it's comfortable and I'm still free because my balls can still breathe. - It's always free. - Like sometimes it's like a hot summer's day and you're just like,

- Wear shorts, brother. - Shorts. Literal like very, the Trash Taste shorts that we have are perfect. - The Hawaii shorts that we have. Trash Taste is a short by the way. - It's not on sale anymore. - But if you bought them, you know how breathable that shit is.

- No, see that's the one thing like it's for the longest time it's been a staple on the internet of like, oh, it's a no pants kind of day. Or like I'm not wearing pants when I'm gaming, blah, blah, blah. I'm not like, no, that feels, I feel perverted in my own house. You know, like I feel like I'm exposing to myself. - That's just a mental diff mate. - No, it's just like,

- No, the mental defense. You have some kind of disease where like you don't like cloth on your like fucking hamstrings. - Maybe I wanna be naked, you know, maybe. 'Cause I don't really like wearing clothes when I like sleep because I feel like that's like constricting. - Even the T-shirt? What do you wear when you go to sleep? - Most just boxes. - So no shirt. - Depends on how cold it is. Especially if it's like a summer. I only wear shirts in like the winter.

- Just put the AC on, dog. - Joey, that fucking energy bill, mate. That fucking energy bill. - Fuck off energy. - Think about the fucking energy bill, mate. - Do you see how many lights are on in the studio? - This is a studio where we're filming things, Joey. This is not the same thing, Joey. It is not the same thing. - It doesn't matter in Japan because of the fucking humidity, bro. It's like, oh, it's hot, just open the window. It's like, no, it's hotter outside 'cause of the fucking humidity.

- God's complaining about like, oh, like I always say like, oh, you know, even if it's hot, like the middle of the summer, right? I still want to at least sleep with like a t-shirt on because I have the AC on anyway. - I don't sleep with any clothes on. - Like none at all. - Normally just boxes. - Just boxes. Yeah, if it's fucking hot as shit, I will. - What do you mean no, every time?

- Yeah. - Every time? - Every time. - Just like, unless it's like really cold, then I'll wear a t-shirt. A t-shirt at most. I can't wear like long sleeves. - Oh no, long sleeve is just psychotic. - Even in the winter I don't wear long sleeves. - Yeah, I don't understand why people sleep with t-shirts on. - Do you know what I've noticed? - You're already surrounded by clothes. - Do you know the one thing I don't understand? Pajamas. - Yeah, I don't get pajamas. - I don't get pajamas. - Okay, there's like two levels to this. I don't understand pajamas, but,

But on the thing that I think is something that I like, you might as well do quadratic equations in a different fucking universe. When people go on holiday and they specifically pack pajamas to go on holiday, I'm like, what the fuck? You are taking up space to put pajamas in your bag? That is taking up weight and space where you can just not put that in? That is like psychotic. Yeah, evolved.

to be so unnecessary. - Yeah. - Like you don't need pajamas. You literally have sheets. You have two pieces of big clothing. - We need to phase out pajamas like we phased out like pajama hats, you know? - I think there's a- - Like just get rid of that shit. - Those are tight though. - What, the hats? - They look so cool. And then you get like, .

- Fucking aesthetic, you know, I couldn't wear that on a daily basis, but no, every time we go on holiday- - Merlin said it's actually good for your hair. Merlin told me that once. - Merlin says a lot of things. - Merlin says a lot of things that I don't believe. - Hats are good to avoid hair damage while you sleep. - Merlin also says that otters other animals or some shit like that. - I think they do. - Probably they do. - No, other otters, isn't it? - Other otters, I don't know. - No, dolphins do.

- I've heard this before. - Oh, fuck. - 'Cause Sydney always, okay, here's the thing. Sydney always says this whenever I mentioned fucking dolphins. And I'm like, okay, logistically, they're like, oh, dolphins have done that to humans before. I'm like, I don't believe you. - Why do they have? - No, they have. - Okay, logistically, no Googling, no fucking Googling. Logistically, explain to me how that is possible.

- What, a dolphin having sex with a human? - No, no, no, a dolphin, R-Wording a human.

- Well, because dolphins apparently- - What is this episode? - Because it's a drunk episode. Because dolphins, from what I remember, dolphins along with monkeys and humans are the only animals in the animal kingdom that have sex for pleasure. - Yes, I know that. - So the argument can be made that any animal that has sex for pleasure also has the mental capacity to be able to R-word.

- Mental capacity? - Yes. - I'm talking about physical capacity here. - Well. - Tell me. - Don't get too close to a dolphin bro. They're faster than you in the ocean. - Like what is the logistical way that happens? I just like, I don't know man, dolphins are smart.

- What do you think they made like a fucking contraption? - Yeah, they're figuring out a way. - Who's the fucking goblin slayer, Joey? They don't have appendages, man. - Dolphin slayer. I don't know is the answer to your question. - I don't think it's just something we research. - Yeah. - No, yeah. - But it's like something that Sydney and Malin tell me all the time and I'm like, that sounds...

- Unrealistic? - Mellon just wants to do it on everyone. Even if it's dolphins. - Mellon's like, "Oh, you like this cute cuddly thing? Well, by the way, let me tell you that- - You never know. Like if we could be talking about this and it's been so widespread, but like it could literally be like the Mew under the truck of the animal kingdom. Like it's just like bullshit that people have just like believed over the years. 'Cause like, oh yeah, there's enough evidence to like support it. But like, we don't have any direct evidence of it, but it's probably possible.

- I don't know, I've never seen footage of it.

- I don't think people are filming it. - I don't think anyone's filming it. - I've never heard stories. - That's just a snuff film. - I've never heard stories about it. - Yeah, I've never heard stories about it either. Except through- - Except through Maylene. - Except through Maylene and Sydney. - Yeah. - Yeah, so. - So, but apparently it is possible. - But also I don't wanna Google it. - I don't wanna Google it either. I don't wanna see that shit. - I'm gonna let you run your course on this debate. - That sounds horrible.

- Can we change the topic? - Yeah, let's change the topic. I'm gonna take a quick picture. - What the fuck are we talking about? - I don't know, I forgot about this topic. - Oh my God. - But yeah, going back 70,000 topics ago, you have to play Earthbound. - Why are you bringing that up? - Because I really, because I've been recently replaying Mother 3 because it recently came out on the Switch, only in Japan though. - Okay. - Because Mother 3 never came out of Japan. - Yeah, I know, in the US. - No.

There's no official English translation of Model 3. Yeah, it never came out in the US, is what I'm saying. What? It never came out in the US. It never came out outside of Japan. Oh, I thought you said it never came out in Japan. No, no, outside of Japan. I was like, I think you mean... Yeah, I know, I know. Yeah. Yeah, they won't do it. And they still won't do it after all this time. I don't think they'll ever do it.

No, because I remember I saw when Nintendo announced that, oh, we're going to report Mother 3 to the Nintendo Switch online thing for the Game Boy Advance emulator. People were like, but is there an English translation? They were like, no.

And then a bunch of people were tweeting at Itoi the creator just being like, "What the fuck? All this time and you haven't done an English translation?" And then Itoi was just like, "Guys, don't complain to me about this shit." - It is weird and also kind of cruel to make a game series where you make three games and then you don't translate the last one. - And "Mother 3" is fucking amazing as well. And not to mention that Lucas,

in Smash is from Mother 3. And the fact that people all over the world have been playing Smash Bros and just like being like, I don't know who this fucking Lucas dude is. - What are you doing, Garth? - What are you doing? - I could have done this. I could have done this for you if you wanted. You just stood there like an NPC.

- What are we talking about? - I'm trying to convince Connor to play EarthMail. - Why didn't you tell him to play it? - I'm convincing both of you to play EarthMail. - 'Cause you know he won't play it. You know there's a chance I might. - Yeah, there's a chance. - You know he's not gonna play it. - 2024 is really fucked when I know Connor has a better chance of playing a JLPG I recommend than Connor's. - Bro, I'm just in...

God's like, like fucking free rent. God's got like a hundred year list that he's trying to work through. And he doesn't realize that. I don't know. He's going to become him or the hero before he becomes free rent in this situation. He can get through the whole list. Like, like,

- When I get a recommendation, when I watch or play things, I've realized how important it is just to be in the mood for something. I don't know. Like I've watched shows that have been good. And like, I guess I've like forced myself to watch, like keep up with current conversations. And I just haven't enjoyed it because I just wasn't in the mood.

mood for it. You know what I mean? But there's some, sometimes, I don't know. Sometimes I get influenced by different things where I'm like, I'm, I really, really feel like watching this kind of show. Um, and I don't know what external factors influence that, but I feel like I, I watched, um, Blade Runner 2046 recently. Um,

And that was- First time watching it? Huh? First time watching it. First time watching it. Oh, wow. And I feel like I would not have enjoyed that film if I just wasn't- I got into this hole of like this like deep sci-fi hole. I watched like another film like Ex Machina as well, which I think is like fucking an amazing film as well. But these are two like-

Yeah, these are two like very specific films on like very specific niches that I got into because I was like, I just want to watch sci-fi. I just really want to watch something that's sci-fi. And I just want to be like immersed in this world. And, you know, I bring up Blade Runner because I was like, this is like a very...

I'm not going to say art house film, but it's a very like- I mean, I watched it in cinemas and I left being like, what did I watch? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, I don't get it. Yeah, yeah. It was a very cinematic- Have you seen the original? Huh? Have you seen the original? I've watched it like as a kid. I'll be honest. The Harrison Ford one? Yeah, yeah. I watched it as a kid. He's in this one too.

Oh yeah, but I mean like the first point. Yeah, I know. Like the tears in the rain. Like tears in the rain. Is that when he like used to act? Because he just doesn't act. Yeah, when he used to be an actor. Chris's explanation of Indiana Jones that he won is so funny. He's just like, it's Harrison Ford depressed in a room. That's the movie. And you're like, what? I feel like it's like the last couple of Harrison Ford films. I mean,

If I was that rich, I would just phone it in. Like, yes. I'd be like, fuck. Yeah. I did Star Wars. God damn. I mean, he did phone it in a long time ago. Oh, yeah. Fair enough to him. But yeah, like I was saying, I don't know. There's something in my mind, especially when I watch... This is very bad, by the way. When I watch something or when I play something where subconsciously I'm like, why am I watching this?

why am I playing it? Do you get what I mean? Where I'm like, I want there to be a payoff. I want my time. I want me to come out of a piece of media and not feel like I wasted my time. And I know that's like a really unhealthy mindset,

I don't know how to switch it off and I haven't been able to switch it off. - You got the YouTube brain. - It's not the YouTube brain. - Yeah, everything needs to be for a purpose. Everything has to have a reason. - Yeah, I just, there have been like too many movies. - Which is ironic coming from the guy who watches all the "Isekais". - Well, yeah, I know. - That's the thing, that's the thing. With the "Isekais", I know what the expectation is. I'm like- - Right, so why don't you have those same expectations with just movies?

Or games. Because- That were like, you know what? Maybe it's fine if I don't come out of this with like a really like, you know, fucking question, like esoteric question about like my existence or whatever, like a deeper understanding of something. It's not that because like, okay, let me rephrase that. With Isekai, for example. Sure. I know the exact package I'm getting from that. I just want a quick, cheap thrill ride. All right, we're done and gone. I'm going to forget this. If I'm watching something like,

Like Blade Runner, for example. If I wasn't in the sci-fi mood, I'm going to be like, what is going on here? What's the point? Why is Ryan Gosling just really fucking broody and lonely and really sad and all this shit? But when I watched it, I was just, oh man.

um i just really want i'm just in a mood to just be immersed in a different world and just a different futuristic world and i was just like that's that's just the kind of mood i'm in sure and i watched i watched it and i was like holy shit this is so fucking good and i just i wish i just immersed myself in that and i watched ex machina because i was like

Black Mirror isn't really doing it for me right now, but I really, really wanna watch something Black Mirror-esque. So that's why I watched Ex Machina. - I watched Black Mirror, it was good. - Yeah, watch Ex Machina if you're feeling good for something like that. - God, Ex Machina was such a good movie. - Because it feels like a Black Mirror episode made by a different director. - Yeah, that's cool. - Yeah. - Really good. - But yeah, it's like, for me, like being in the mood to do a certain thing is so important, which is why I will put off a piece of media

for literally sometimes years or decades until I'm in like the exact right mood, which will happen sometime down the line. And then I'm going to enjoy it more. And I try not to pressure myself to keep up with certain things just because that's the hot new thing or that's the thing that people want me to do or play in that exact moment. Film at Alchemist, for example. - Will you ever be in the mood for it? - Yeah, I mean, okay, here's the thing.

I discovered 20th Century Boys very, very early on in my like weeb, like in my anime fandom. - You really fucked yourself over with that because you found P so early. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, I remember it was like just before moving to Japan. I was like, I think I'm in the mood to read this.

And then I read it and then, and then now it's my favorite manga of all time. It's my favorite manga of all time. And I didn't, I didn't rush it. I waited to a point where I was like, I think I'm going to fully appreciate the story, which is why I haven't read Pun Pun either, because I'm not chronically depressed enough. Yeah. That's fair. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, okay, okay, okay. I'll, I'll, I'll wait. I'll wait. Which is, yeah. I mean, that's, that's what it is, right? You, you're like, when you get like that,

that like sad, you're like, I need to know if someone else feels this way. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - So you're like, I'll look. And then that's where a story like that can really help, right? - Yeah, 'cause I feel like so much for today is just like consuming, consuming, consuming, watch, watch, play the next thing, play the next thing. And sometimes you just wanna like, all right, what am I actually in the mood for? Do I wanna replay something or do I wanna watch something in a certain genre

or like this really, really weird niche genre. You know what niche genre I've been getting into on YouTube recently? What? Urban planning.

- I don't know why. - Tell me you're in your mid thirties. - What do you mean urban planning? - Like city planning, I don't know. 'Cause we were talking about like city planning and there's this YouTuber who I discovered recently that basically debunks every idea that Elon Musk has ever had. - Right.

- I can't remember his name. - I know the guy. The guy with the squirrel for a profile picture. - I can't remember. You will know if you watch any of his videos and he'll be like, "Trains are the solution." Like every solution is fixed with building more trains. And you're like, "Wait, wait, actually, you're kind of right." - Or buses. - Or buses. - No one likes that buses are the solution, but it's always buses. Buses always fix the problem. - Yeah. - Annoyingly.

But from watching these videos, I'm just like...

I should play Sim City. - No. - Or I should play like City Skylines. I don't know. I don't know. Like, like. - We played Risk and then I went home and played Risk on PC. It was not fun. It was not fun. - Why wasn't it fun? - You just play against five people online that you don't like. - Yeah, that is an higher role game. - Risk is about like the looking the person in the eye. You know you're about to fuck them over. - Also like five players was a lot. - Yeah. That would take so long. - And also the turns take so long.

Yeah. Because I normally when I play video games or board games, I feel like I am in the fast turn club where I'm like, I'll just get my turn done right now. I've already planned it. I'm not going to sit here for 15 minutes and waste everyone's fucking time while I decide what I'm going to do. I already planned it. Yeah. Let's do it. That's fair. Online, not fun. That's why I can't play multiplayer Civ.

oh right so slow it is very very slow yeah but like that came out at a time where like we had the time to spare

Like when I was in like high school playing fucking Civ II with my friends over a LAN party, like we had all the time in the world. - We've made too much good stuff now. There's not enough time. We've made too much bangers. Slow down. - I think next RPG I'm gonna stream. - When are you gonna stream something? - Sorry? - When are you gonna stream something good?

I think I'm gonna stream Undertale. I've never experienced Undertale. But the problem is I wanna marathon it and- - You can easily do it in one stream. - I cannot do, I cannot do like, how long does it take to finish Undertale? - 12 hours? - Like one ending? - I don't know, like one play through. - 10 hours? - 10 hours. - Not even, I don't think actually. - I'm pretty sure it's not that long 'cause I remember I used to like for fun, I would do one of the endings pretty quickly.

- How long to beat Undertale? - I thought it was like 15. So I was like, oh, that's- - Seven hours. - Seven hours? - It's short. - And then obviously- - But is that like near ending or is that like the ending? - No, it's an actual ending. - I mean, there's multiple endings. - I think I would say unlike other video games,

to get the other endings, it is a completely different story. - Yeah. - So that's why I asked, is it like the near ending A or was it? - No, it's like a completely different- - It doesn't build on the previous ending. - It's a completely different way of playing the game. - Your actions actually have consequences. And that's the whole point. And there's like three main endings, I'd say. - Genocide, pacifist and regular. - Like regular? - Yeah, I guess. - So just play it normally.

- Play it normally and if you like it, then you can do like genocide. - Yeah, 'cause I realized I just can't do multi-day streams for a single video game, I guess. - Then you can experience most of, you could probably do two endings in like 12 hours or like 13. - Yeah. - If you rush the second one. - Yeah. - 'Cause the other ones are, once you do one ending, you can just look and be like, how do I get the other endings? Like, what do you have to do? And then once you just read the criteria, you'll be good to go. - Yeah, okay.

- Because yeah, my stream, I would say like my stream stamina is just like really hard after. - You could build it up. - I have been trying to build it up and I think I've just hit the wall. I've hit the wall. - What's your wall? - Like eight hours. - Are you starting like when you wake up or like you waiting like a couple of hours?

Okay. I can't just like switch on after I wake up. Like I need an hour for like my- To be fair, I normally prefer an hour. Yeah. Having an hour. Even when I did like the streams where I'll sleep on stream, I'll like fuck off for an hour. Yeah. Just while I wake up. Because I can't talk right away. Yeah. I just need like one hour. But sometimes I'll spend like four hours in the morning doing other stuff. And then I'll stream and I'm already quite tired like three hours in.

'Cause I could have done more, but it's all preference. - Yeah, and it's also like, I've realized I need like a few hours to like wind down as well. Otherwise I just can't sleep. I don't know. There's like too much adrenaline. There's too much adrenaline in my blood from like streaming all day that I guess I need to condition myself to like sleep right after I sleep. But I realized if I have like- - I rarely do. I mean, normally I'll watch YouTube videos for like half an hour before I fall asleep.

I need like two hours. - That's a long time. - That is a long time. - That's a lot of YouTube shorts. - Two hours to fall asleep? - No, if I'm like streaming. If I'm like streaming and I need to like wind down, 'cause I think it just takes a long time for my brain to switch from like one mode to like another mode. So if I'm like in streamer mode, then it just, I'm like in streamer mode

And I can't fall asleep until like way later. I don't know. Maybe it's an age thing. Maybe it's not. I don't fucking know. Maybe you just don't. It's a skill issue. Maybe I'm just not a streamer, which I'm not. No, you are. You're good at it. When are you going to stream more, Joey? When are you going to stream more? When I get paid to. Joey. What do you mean you get paid to?

No, well, because when I started the nonsense thing and I tried to go full on with it, I had to fucking sacrifice something because I was like, if I continue to do everything that I'm currently doing on top of this, I'm not going to have any time left to do anything. That's fair. So I was like, what's the one thing that I can sacrifice that...

'Cause I think it took me, 'cause I've had a Twitch channel for as long as I've had a YouTube channel, albeit not as consistent as my YouTube channel. But I think it took me all this time to finally realize that I'm just not built for streaming. I don't have the brain capacity to be able to do like seven, eight hour streams. Like I've done a few seven, eight hour streams. I was fucking exhausted by the end of it. Like I had like almost like,

a stream hangover the next day. Oh no, I've had that as well. Yeah, I just like can't function the next day after like a really, really long stream. And that's when I kind of realized like I'm just not built for being

in front of the camera for that long or like being entertaining for like that long without any breaks, you know? And, you know, maybe that is like the way that I'm like trying to think about streaming or like whatever it is, but like, yeah, I don't know. I thought like, what's the one thing that I can kind of sacrifice in order to do it? And I was like, yeah, probably streaming just because I never really took it seriously. It's always just been like a fucking shit post. Side gig. It's always been a side, not even a side gig. It's just like something I just wanted to try, you know? And it's just like, yeah.

It's just not really my thing. So that's where we are. - See, what I don't understand about you is your second channel videos where you can just like turn on without an audience and just like start talking. - Oh no, I much prefer that because it actually gives me time to like internalize what I want to say. And like, I can kind of plan out like, okay, this is how I want to phrase certain things. Whereas like if I'm put on the spot,

I'm just, my brain just goes blank because I'm just sitting there like- - The only thing I'd say is useful is that maybe you can, you'll get like live fact checkers. If you're saying something wrong, you don't publish it and it's really awkward. Cause you're like, yeah, I didn't get corrected. - Yeah, well, I mean, that's why though, like I also like just like recording my second channel stuff because it actually gives me time to like go into research so that my stuff is as accurate as possible. Granted, I'm not perfect. - You want your own fact checker? - Yeah, I'm gonna get shit wrong, of course, but-

I get distracted when there's a live chat in front of me. I'd be saying something and I'd be trying to get my thought across. And then in my periphery, I would see something in the chat and then my brain just gets distracted. I don't know. You should ignore them. I just can't ignore it. It sounds counterintuitive. I need my chat to concentrate. Really? Because unless chat is there to...

check on me to make sure I'm saying stuff. I'll just get distracted by something else. So like, if I know chat is there, I'm like, I need to finish my sentence. No, I'm locked in. I'm locked in on what I want to say. Fair enough. And if people don't like it, then they can write in the comments. You deal with that shit later. Yeah, the future Joey will take care of that. Now Joey is just like, I'm locked in. I know exactly what I want to say. I know exactly how I want to phrase it. I'm going to say it.

God, I wish that was me. I don't know, man. There's a part of me that's kind of jealous of you guys who can do streams like that and just like not get as tired. Yeah, but I hate that sometimes I'll go live and I finish and it's just like I go to sleep. And I'm like, I haven't done anything today. I've just sat here and spoken for like 19 hours. Yeah, that's why I can't stream multiple days in a row. Because I feel like it's the weeks when I feel...

stream more than like three times that I feel like the soul coming out of me. Well, I mean, I don't know. I mean, two weeks of cyclophone. Uh, it's the most I've ever streamed, I think in a row. Yeah. And it was, it was fun, but I think that's because I was, I was, but you're doing something active. Yeah. But the, the, the day after when I finished, I had nightmares that I was streaming and I had forgot to turn it off. I had like nightmares for like two days that I was, every time I went to bed, I thought I was streaming. That's terrifying. And I was like, I woke up like, Oh,

- Oh, I'm just sleeping. - Connor's just in his bed. He's just like, "What's up, chat?" - I just remember having this visceral weird thought of being asleep, but being watched. - Oh, that's terrible. - Yeah, it was a very weird feeling. But it was only for two days. It passed pretty quickly. - Only two days. - Did you get that during the subathon at all?

- No, my sleep-a-thon was only five days. - Yeah, but the difference is he was actually- - Yeah, I was actually sleeping. So I think that's the difference, that because I'm actually sleeping on camera, your worry is like, "Oh yeah, I am." But then otherwise I was like, "I forgot to turn it off." You know what I mean? That's what I had in my head. - That's a nightmare. - Have you ever forgot to turn your stream off?

Yeah, I did, but I turned the camera off and mic off. But I just forgot to press end. So it's just a black screen. That's just free revenue.

That's what some streamers, when they had streaming contracts, they had to stream for X amount of hours. And when I got my contracts, that was one of the last ones, I noticed that they'd changed the hours to be like streamed out. They worded it in a way that was like, yeah, not like black screen, not you replaying content or just running it. So I'm like, there's bastards who took advantage of these contracts, put this in the system. Yeah.

I can't like... They were one of you. Yeah. So technically like sleeping shouldn't have counted or something. Yeah. All right. Maybe I'm not quite sure, but I know that definitely some streamers literally just left their screen black and put text saying having to get stream hours in or something.

- Which I think is unfair as well. I mean, you agree to a contract with them. - Yeah. - Come on. - It's unfair. - Come on, man. - But it's streamers, right? They're gonna like play the game, which is why most of it's streamers. - Yeah. - Which is like, you know, which is why the Twitch meta shifts every like five days when someone's like, okay. - Stuff like that is that why, but that why a lot of people look at streamers as being like unreliable and unprofessional. - Yeah. - It's like, come on, man.

If you said that you're going to stream 10 hours a month, don't stream 10 hours a fucking month. You know what I mean? Come on. You're getting paid how much money? You could stream 10 hours a month. You know what I mean? Don't like, I think that's shit like that. The only annoying part about streamers is that that's why everyone thinks we're lazy and shit at what we do. It's like, because people do shit like that.

Oh, well. It should be ranting. Yeah. But that's my rant done. And the beer was delicious, lads. The beer was delicious. Absolutely. And I am slightly tipsy. It was. Yeah, I am slightly tipsy as well. Yes. So if you want to get some of your own. Any Aussies? Any Aussies.

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It's really good. - It's very good. I could easily drink more, but I had to pace myself 'cause I found myself getting tipsy for a moment. - Yeah, I didn't pace myself. - I didn't pace myself. - If you enjoy IPAs or pale ales, you're gonna love this. And if you can't get it, I'm so sorry. But for us, we just wanted the decent cool like this type of beer. - What's the flavor profile, Connor? - Hoppy and beer-y.

- Hoppy, beer-y. - Smooth on the tongue. - It's just a classic pale ale. There's no mango, there's no pineapple, there's no sweet flavorings. It's just, if you like a pale ale, you'll like this one. - Cover all 9,000 taste buds. - Air rated. - Well, thank you guys so much for watching. And don't forget that we upload weekly behind the scenes and extra exclusives on Patreon. - If you wanna check, but hey, if you wanna check that out, I'm a little bit drunk. But hey, if you wanna check that out,

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- No, I don't sleep in socks. I just sometimes wear them in bed. If I'm like chilling in bed for like 20 minutes. - Let us know if you're just as psychotic as Connor. - That means you have to like put them on to like, okay. - No, I never took them off. Okay, I never took them off. - I'm not gonna. - We'll let the comments duke it out. - I had my, I ate just ate dinner and I want a 20 minute power nap. Okay, okay. - Anyway, next time, next week we'll be back in Japan. So bye. - That's a sockless power nap for me. - Bye. - Bye. - Bye.