We Finally Got Judged For Our Worst Takes (ft. @ProZD) | Trash Taste #232
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- What's so funny boys? - You just came at it with an aura. It's like you attacked the mic. - I was like hockey. - Me getting ready to hear the worst takes of my life. - Dice was cringe. - Welcome back to another episode of Trash Taste. I'm joined once again by the boys and of course, a returning guest, Sungwon, how you doing man? - Good, how about you boys?

- I feel like I bring on like a disappointed parent. - It's funny, I saw a comment on the previous time I was on where someone would describe me as a general checking in on his anime lieutenants and all the bad decisions they've made. So despite my better judgment, I have returned. - We've changed a little bit though. We all did like, I've played some games and watched the cut scenes. - Wow, so I've, bare minimum, I'm proud of you.

- I paid attention. - You came to my house and directly apologized. - I did, I did apologize. - You did tell me you changed your ways. Is that true?

- Did he? - He has started playing JRPGs. - Okay. - He played Chrono Trigger in Final Fantasy VII. - Yes. - And VIII. - Yeah. - Oh, okay. - And IX. - Which one's your favorite? IX. - Wait, sorry, out of the three Final Fantasies? - Yes. - IX. I think he goes IX. - Probably VII, then VIII. - Okay, yeah, IX is the best one. - IX, I think IX is the best one. - The way you made that sound made it sound like Connor went to his house and just like fucking- - That's so funny. - What kind of fucking dog is that? - That's not far. - That's what people say.

- Do you still watch it two times speed? Yeah? - Yes. - He does. - Yes, unfortunately that has, I mean, it is a necessary part of my job. - Not all of us can change, unfortunately. - But Joey watched Arcane as well.

- Okay. - I did. - Yes. We had to force him to watch our game. - Yeah. - But it was good. I enjoyed it. - Okay. - But that was last time. We don't know what's gonna be said on this podcast just yet. I'm sure we'll find other ways to disappoint you. - Yeah, there might be a fresh batch of shit to work off of. - Oh, I've got something. - What's up? - Bochy the Rock. - Oh, he come out swinging. Okay, I'll let him take this one. - Oh my God, yeah. - I'd like to hear,

- What do you wanna hear? - What are your opinions on Bochy the Rock? - I think it's kind of ass. - Why? - 'Cause one, the music is just not very good. - That's not true. - I think it relies way too heavily on the social awkwardness, which is just way too overplayed. - Okay. - No one acts like her in real life and people who say they do is just lying to themselves.

- Do you know many introverts? Many, many introverts? - Yeah, but they're not that fucking introverted. - Okay, and is that it? - Do you know any introverts that are that introverted? - I've run into many people

- I'm sweating for you. - No, I'm standing down. - I'm not gonna let the generals get me. I'm the soldier that fights back. - I'll say this much. I run into a lot of people at conventions. I know they come up to meet me at like an autograph table or something. And yes, I have encountered people who definitely are that level.

- Maybe you just give off a terrifying aura. - I do give off a terrifying aura. - Maybe when they're not in front of you, they just like the most chirpy like- - Maybe everyone's a bocce in my presence.

- Okay, so you don't like the music and you thought the main character was exaggerated. Is that it? - Yeah, way too exaggerated. To the point where it just became not fun to watch. - Do you think it's funny? - No. - What kind of anime do you think is funny? - Not bocce. - Okay, I'm asking you what kind of anime do you think is funny? - You're asking me all my favorite comedy animes? - Sure, yeah. - If I had to pick, probably Nichijou. - Okay, Nichijou's good. - Yeah, yeah. - I like the absurdist comedy.

Whereas like, I feel Bochy just every joke, joke had a formula that just got old really fast. - Interesting. - At the first couple of episodes I was like, okay, yeah, she's super socially awkward and you know, it's funny to see her turn into a blob. Funny. But when it's that for 10 episodes, I'm just like,

I mean, come on, man. - See, I'm just happy there's someone here to help me fight my fight. - 'Cause you're a pro-bo-chi, right? - Yeah, I'm very pro-bo-chi. - What about you? - I haven't seen it. Leave me out of this. Leave me out of this. - He's definitely not pro-bo-chi. - But just on the record, I don't stand for it. - Well, you don't have an opinion on it 'cause you haven't watched it. - I mean, it looks like the exact kind of show that was scientifically engineered to not be for me. - What kind of show?

So, okay. First off, I'll finish the Bochy. Yeah, okay, sure. Like, ultimately, comedy is subjective. So I'm not going to try to convince someone that something is funny. Yeah. Okay. I think, for me, the comedy does work. It does surprise me that it doesn't because there is a lot of absurdist comedy in Bochy. Like, the way she... Like, her reactions to things. Yes. It does feel like...

maybe just, I can understand a character putting you off and that kind of ruins the show for you in a way. - No, because that's the thing. It's like there were characters in Bochy that I really, really enjoyed. - Sure. - You know, the drunk bassist girl, fucking love her. - Okay. - You know her name. The other, some of the other, you know. - I have no idea what's going on in the show by the way. Why is there a drunk bassist girl on there? She's like 12.

- She's not 12. - She's not 12. - How old is she? - She's like mid 20s. - She's mid 20s? - She's mid 20s, yeah. - Mochi? - No, no, no. - The bassist girl. - The drunk chick. - The actual band members are like 15, 16. - They're high schoolers. - Where's the drunk person coming in? - Because one of the band members sisters runs the like,

- Runs the life house. - Runs the life house. - I thought you said hype house. - The hype house, the Bochy hype house. - Runs the concert hall and the drunk chick is one of the friends of her sister. - Got it, got it, got it. - And her role in the story is like Bochy sees her being so like carefree and like full of confidence on stage and that inspires her to be a little

more like open on stage. - Oh, she's 28? - She's 28? - No, no, no, wait. - Yeah, the drunk girl. - The drunk girl. - The top right. - The drunk racist girl is like 28. - Also the live house chick is hot as fuck. The 29 year old, hot as fuck.

- Which one? - I'm into the 30 year old sister myself. - All of them look 15. Just to preface. - That's called an art style. - Can we all agree they all look exactly the fucking same age? - I mean, this is not a, like you're looking at this from really far away as well. - If you had had the same 4K it would be the same. - What the fuck?

- Oh, it's in 1080p, I can't see it. - This is just the clip of- - It's 480p. - I think Jose Mourinho going, "I say nothing. If I say something, I'm in trouble." I don't want to be in trouble. - Okay, let's not get into the fucking age of the camera. Okay, you put a choker on, now you're 29, sure, all right. - Yeah, actually- - That's the anime rule. - Okay, sure. So I'm presuming you're a big fan of the show. - Oh, I love the show, yeah. - Okay. - I think the music's great. I don't know what you're talking about. - Yeah, he is just, he is what?

- What do you not like about the music? - He is just wrong about the music. - It's the most basic fucking J-pop I've ever heard. - Considering you like K-On! Joey, I don't know how you can say this right now. - Oh, the K-On! music was way better. - Oh my God. - Man's in the hot seat. - I like K-On! a lot. - Tomato, tomato, and you're like, "Yeah, I'm..." I don't know, man. It's just a personal thing, I guess. - Here's the thing. If K-On! didn't exist, let's say this was the first of its kind,

Do you think your opinion on it would have changed? Do you think there's some comparisons to K-On? Actually, what do you like about K-On? Because I want to know.

- Do you not like K-On? - I don't like K-On. - I love this. - I'll fight you too. - Okay. - What I liked about K-On is that it didn't take itself seriously and it was just like dumb fun. Whereas with Bochy, I feel like, I don't know, they're a little bit too try hardy in some parts of like trying to tell like a deep story about a character, like getting over her fears on stage and da da da. - Man, if only we had popcorn right now.

- And I'm just like, let's not kid ourselves. That's not the reason why people are fucking watching this show. - Yeah, I mean, for me- - I disagree, but go ahead. - Bochy is what I wanted K-On! to be. Bochy is the show I thought I was going to get when I started watching K-On! And unfortunately, I wanted more of a focus on, you know,

you know, stuff like the struggles that Bochy was going through, really getting over her anxiety, seeing some character progression, just even a little bit in Bochy. I felt like K-On!

way more lean into like the slice of lifey kind of like vibey aspect of things. - Sure. - And I just wanted some more plot progression. - So you wanted plot? - Yeah, yeah. I wanted more plot, which K-1 does have, but it's definitely not as- - It's not the draw. - It's definitely- - It's not the draw. Also, I'd say the first season has more of an arc. The second season doesn't really have much of an arc from what I remember. - Yeah.

but it is very, very fluffy slice of. Yes. That's the vibe. Yeah. I actually really like that Bochy. I mean, obviously your mileage will vary on the main character, but I really liked the main character and I like seeing her sort of emotional growth and her confidence go up. Yeah. You know, the friendships form. Have you guys seen sound euphonium? Yes. Yes. What do you think of sound euphonium? I think it's fantastic. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That's

And so peace has returned. I know you haven't seen a single one of these shows because they don't have a Naruto in it or whatever. What the fuck? Okay. What the heck? I love how he became... What the... Okay. First of all, I haven't watched Naruto. You haven't seen Naruto? Well, I've watched a couple of episodes. Let's go back to another thing we were talking about. What's a Connor anime?

- What is your Connor anime? - Connor anime? - What's your favorite anime? - "Great Pretender"? - No, that's not- - You called me out. - Did we ask this last time? What's your favorite anime? - Oh, my favorite anime. - The one on the Atari series is my favorite. - That says a lot. Okay, sure. All right. - I mean, the most important- - If I had to pick. - The most important anime to me is the "Eva" series. - Okay, sure. - It's my favorite, it's hard. - Yeah.

- Yeah, it's hard. - I mean, I don't think it's like the best show, but definitely "Baccano". It's really the double "Baccano". I love so much. - "Baccano" is a "Baccano" too. - So much so that my YouTube avatar is fucking, it's inspired by "Baccano", the white suits they wore on the train. - Oh yeah, yeah. - I love "Baccano". - That ladder was so- - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Love "Baccano". - I would say Connor loves anime that doesn't feel, how can I say this?

- Two anime? - Yeah, I'm very adverse. - If it's set in a school, he immediately doesn't like it. - They're talking about me like I'm like a pet, which is true. It's the schools I'm not a fan of and the whole like- - If it's too tropey, you know? - Very tropey. I'm not a big fan of, I guess, okay, I've not watched "Bullock Shoot", not seen anything of "Bullock Shoot", but everything that I have seen of it looks like every single kind of trope and story element that I would not enjoy hearing about.

And maybe there's something wrong with my brain where I can't like- - No, no, you just know what you like. - Yeah, I mean, I'd say a lot of people just like, they don't like the tropiness of anime sometimes. And some people like me, I love that. And I love both kinds of anime out there. - I like it sometimes. Like if it's done in like a tongue in cheek way, like not serious type of way, in almost like a post ironic type of way, then there's some where I'm like, okay, yeah, that's just fun and dumb. But if it's done like,

a little too on the nose, then I'm kind of the same as Connor. I'm like, all right, yeah, I've seen this five times. - And like the joke is that it's like always set in a school. But I think that normally when an anime is set in a school, it normally means that a bunch of these tropes are gonna follow that I'm not fond of. - It's like school. - What are some examples of tropes you're not fond of? - I mean, I have to answer that. That's a good question. - You're sparing no one. - No, no, no, no, no. You want receipts and that's totally fair. The hot seat is on. All right, it's fine. That's what I'm gonna call it. Okay, so I think that,

- All right, so first of all, anything that is like too heavily like fan service element or like- - I'm with you on that. I don't- - Anytime they have like a Mel, any character that is like Meliodas is immediately a no. Anytime the character is so socially awkward beyond belief, it's not that I don't believe that that is a thing that happens. I just don't wanna watch a character that's like, "Oh God, should I say hi to her? Oh, I don't know." It's like, yeah, I'm sure I had those thoughts when I was 12, but-

that I'm not 12 anymore and I don't want to relive those. And to me that's not a compelling, basically I don't want to see a teenager being awkward 'cause I don't want to experience that anymore. I've lived that enough. So all of those kind of tropes that follow that, anything that's like,

- If there is a like triple love triangle, I'm normally rolling my eyes. - I can fuck with that too in the right. - It needs to be done right though. - Yeah. - So many times just done for the sake of it. - If it's a love triangle, that's just like, oh,

the main character said something and you misunderstand. And then there's like this big misunderstanding. And then, you know, that there's an entire fucking- - Yeah, every edgy manga. - Yeah, there's an entire fucking two arc, two episode thing on that like one simple misunderstanding. - Well, that's why like, I felt like you watch "Ocean O'Coe" and you're like, oh, it's kind of an interesting premise. And then it quickly just becomes a, is he gonna fuck his sister or not story? And you're like, well, it's kind of not really,

- I was kinda hoping it wasn't gonna be that. - I would argue that that's more the fandom. - Really? Okay. But that's like a way I felt like it was going. You're like, what? - I would say with "Oceanoco" it didn't need that aspect so much. - Which aspect?

the whole like best girl. - Okay, okay, yeah. - 'Cause it's not just like the sister, it's like- - But that felt very like corporate, like a corporate decision is like, "How will we sell the most?" - Well, yeah, because that's what people want. - Let's have a waifu war. - Nah, I just think- - You think he just liked that? - I think he likes that shit, man. - Which I can understand, I can fully believe that, but at the same time it felt- - This is the man that wrote "Negi-mo", which was like the most like, "Who's the waifu?" - No, no, no, it's Kaguya-sama.

- Oh yeah, sorry, my bad. Yeah, I'm thinking of Akamatsu, my bad. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Sorry. - But because I think like, "Oshinoko" has compelling drama and has some really cool,

on like the Japanese entertainment industry. And then they were just- - Yeah, I agree. - But also let's just add a best girl war. - Yeah, you're like, why? - I don't know. - Yeah. - Did you like "Oshinoko"? - I haven't seen it. - Oh, okay. - That's why I'm sitting here just waiting. - No, not waiting, just observing. - I thought you were like stewing a response. - No, no. - Have you watched "Girls Band Cry"? - No, I've heard good things though. - You would very much enjoy that.

- My problem is for me, I'm always watching anime that's old that no one cares about. I'm watching through Gintama right now. - Oh, that's fucking fantastic. - I love Gintama. - You guys can agree. - Shit, are we getting to the point where Gintama's old? I was just like, wait. - I mean, it's getting there. - I realized, 'cause in the beginning Gintama was like

It took me a little bit to get into it. Yeah. I'm about a hundred or so episodes into it. And I realized that it's just Animaniacs. The anime Animaniacs. Animaniacs. Yeah. In a sense. Like it's, it's very much like, I mean, it's Animaniacs with like every now and then there's actual emotional stakes. Yeah. But it's,

Three wackos just doing shit and there's always references going over your head. Especially as an English viewer. Like when you watched Animaniacs. You know Animaniacs? Yeah. When you watched as a kid. I just liked all the funny things going on. Yeah, but they would always be doing like references to things you didn't understand as a kid but it didn't matter, right? Yeah. Yeah, I'm enjoying that. That's a lot though.

What do you mean? - Game time is long. - Yeah, I commit. - Yeah, okay. - So, but you've got a lot, you're playing a ton of board games, you're watching a ton of anime, playing a ton of games. How do you find time for all this?

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Sign up for your $1 per month trial period at shopify.com/trash, all lowercase. Go to shopify.com/trash to upgrade your selling today. That's go to shopify.com/trash. Back to the episode. - I think for me, board games are the big priority, which I think I saw you guys played Gloomhaven. - Yes. - How the hell did you see this? - Yeah, they talked about it, yeah. - Yeah? - Yeah. - How'd that go?

- A lot of fun, but the tutorial was, that took a long time to figure out. - You played the regular version? - No, no, no, no, no. - We did the lions, something. - Oh, even with that it was still? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Well, it was just because I think that, so we, our friend died as he played it. And so he was telling us a bunch of rules that the thing didn't want to tell us about yet.

So we were getting kind of confused and stumbling. And it wasn't his fault that it was that, we just didn't know either. But it felt more confusing to learn about mechanics that were coming later and then be like, oh wait, no wait, now we're supposed to learn about this mechanic. It was a little tough to get, you have to punch everything out. You have to get all this stuff. I feel like it was great playing board games with you because I didn't have to do anything.

And you were like, I know everything. Let me just walk you through. - I do know everything. - And I realized how much more fun board games are when you have someone who's like, sit back, pick up your cards, I'll tell you everything. - I am happy to be the board game shepherd. Basically I'll go and I'll go through all the rules. I think one of the biggest obstacles is a big rule book and you're not used to playing board games. That just kills momentum. - Especially when you have like,

if there's maybe four of us there and we're there for two hours going over the rules. That feels like a real like momentum killer when you're like, we just wanna play board games. We didn't wanna like study for a test. - Yeah, 'cause I think, yeah, I mean, you introduced Colin to Slay the Spire, which what a fucking fantastic experience that was. And I think going from that, if we didn't have the experience of playing that and going straight into Gloomhaven, that would have been a fucking,

Too big of a leap. Yeah. Blue Maven's heavy. I think it's unfortunate that your friend kind of maybe went ahead because I think Jaws of the Lion actually really well-

Puts you through all the steps in a reasonable way. Yeah, but I can understand the excitement of oh well Just this is basically how you do it. Yeah, then I think it's super excited to have the game Yeah, but I think once you play the game, it's not that complicated Oh, no, it's just you know you this card you move and this card you attack right? And then you just have to choose and you lose your hand as you go. Yeah, exactly I think the mechanisms in it are actually very elegant one

once you start going with it. - Yeah, it's more of like just the info dump of just so many mechanics and so many different things and the big ass rule book that is obviously going to be very scary for newcomers. So I think everyone needs someone like you who is able to just

take their hands and be like, "Children, here's how to play the game. Come along, I'll explain everything." - The Moses of board games. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - The worst part is when we're doing like, I don't know, Slay the Spire, when you're like, you're not sure exactly how a mechanic works in the game. And everyone's debating of like, "I think it should work this way." And the rule doesn't really clearly- - Oh, it doesn't think it's gonna work. - And the rules doesn't clearly define how the mechanic works in X scenarios. You're like, "What?"

- But Slay the Spy was really good though. - Yeah, Slay the Spy I think is- - Just playing it once with you, I was able to like then be like, "This is how we play it guys, this is how we do it." - Nice, nice. Did I last time,

- I'm gonna ask you guys if you knew how many board games I played. Did we go over that? - We weren't into board games back then. So I don't think we did, but now- - Maybe we should talk about anime. - If we did, the number's gone up. - What's it at now? - Can we get the coffee, Kai? - I would like you to guess. I'll pull it up. - All right. Okay, so are these board games that you've played till completion?

- Yeah. - I don't count Jack off unless you don't jack off. It just wouldn't count. It wouldn't feel right. - No, I just set it up, looked at it and put it back in. - I don't know if you edge with board games or not. - I'd say I have the total right here. - I think, let's see who's closest will win the prize. - I don't even know what a lot of board games is. - What's the prize? - He'll decide. Okay, you guys go. 'Cause I feel like I have a number in my mind. - I have no clue.

- How many board games do you think I've played in my life? - In your life? - Sure. - 70? - 70? - Yeah. - Okay, what's your guess? - I was gonna say way more than that. I was gonna say like 200. - Okay. - I'd say, I think about a thousand.

- I was gonna say 2000 initially, but you guys were in so low. I was like, wow, I look like a crazy person. - I was gonna say 500, but then he says 70. I was like, oh fuck. - Damn it, I should've gone first. - I think 70 is what I play in like a month.

- I have no bearings about how many board games there are. - Board games are long. - There are a lot. There's like thousands and thousands. - Oh yeah, we had a discussion. We were like, what is the most complicated board game? We were trying to find out what it is. - What's the most complicated board game you've played, would you think? - 'Cause the internet was telling us some 1980s paper thing where you have to like, peel out a bunch of stuff to play real like. - In your opinion, what is the most complicated board game you've played?

That would be something like, this isn't the most, but like through the ages is very, a lot. Right. Can I bring it up? Yeah. What are some other ones that are like, honestly, oh, one I don't like is Mage Knight. Mage Knight is too fiddly for me. Mage Knight. Oh yeah. So for reference, can the audience see this screen? Yeah. 4.44 out of five. That's crazy. It's extremely high.

And usually anything that's four to five on BoardGameGeek, honestly, kind of even for me, I'm like, ugh, it's like a little bit of a pain in the ass. - So what'd you do in this game? - It's like Civ. It's like you're basically, you play through like the eras and stuff. - All of the complicated games seem to be- - It's a good game. - Holy fuck. - I have played, oh, that isn't even, not even that bad. I've played this and the original version.

And it's a fun game once you know the rules, but it is a lot.

And so, you know, I like games like this, but these are usually the games that eventually will leave my collection. 'Cause you can only play these kinds of games with certain people. Most people do not want to sit for two hours. - This does seem like a very specific type of personality where they're like, ah, yes, I want to keep track of all this. - I basically have my friends in tiers of like board game, what they can handle. So like some people can fuck with anything. Like they're like any game, doesn't matter if it's one out of five, five out of five, we'll do it.

- We'll do it. - Complexity, I'll do it. Some people are like, this is their worst nightmare, which I understand. - I think this is Joey. - It depends, I think. - You think you'd like this? - Yeah, 'cause I don't mind complicated board games as long as I'm into the theme of it, you know? And I can actually put it myself. - I think this is a game where I would require a Sungwon. - Oh yeah. - I need someone who's played it. I just think I would not wanna read this rule book on my own. - Yeah, so this one's intense. Pull up Mage Knight.

- Mage Knight. - Mage Knight is a type of game I don't like because it's very complex, but it's very fiddly in like the ones that drive me crazy. So it's like 4.37 also. - Oh my God. - It's a game that you're going through and you're exploring like a grid and shit. - Oh my God. - Well, that's just all the cards laid out. You don't play it like that.

would look like that too oh it's got the it's like a hex grid thing and you go out and it's not a bad game like the combat's not bad but it has all this shit i remember like oh uh if you're in a forest then you do it this way but if there's an archer you do it this way and there's so many little intricacies like that whereas you know if this is like the one game you play you play this like

every weekend with your buddies, like you've played a hundred times. That's the kind of game that, you know, it can be rewarding. But for me, I'm playing it like once and I'm like, I never want to play this again because it's way too much. Shit, my biggest gripe is like, oh fuck, what's it in the rule book? Oh, okay. Oh wait, what is it? Yeah, like having to look up rule clarifications. That's a pain in the ass. So for me, honestly, two to three is like the perfect range. I think two to three is like,

Anyone can play it and it still is a substantial experience. 1-2 is like party games, which are fun. But, you know, it's party games. 2-3 is meaty, but you don't need to spend two hours to learn. Once you go 3-4, it depends. I'd say for those, if you're interested in board games, BGG is a really good way of like, oh, I'm interested in this game. If it's 1-3, that's a good start for...

like a beginning board game. If it's three and up, don't start with that. Can you type in Gloomhaven Jewels of the Lion? That's probably like a three point. I don't think it's that bad. I think it's probably like 3.8. I'm going to try to guess. I'm going to try to guess their complexity. What do you think it is? I think

- The original Gloomhaven is like 4.1 and this is 3.8. I said 3.8, so 3.64. But then the first Gloomhaven is probably around a four. - Yeah, so this was marked as like the easy version. - Yeah, this is the beginning of any version. - Yeah, and I've played this version. I really liked it. So this one's right almost very much close to a four.

- I've played this so I haven't played all of it, but it's Jaws Alliance takes you through step by step. - Yeah, it like introduces every mechanic just a little bit by little bit. - Which I thought was a great way to do it. So I recommend it. If you're interested in Gloomhaven, I actually suggest you start with Jaws of the Lion first. - The real question is though, have you played Game Monopoly?

- Oh my God. - Gay monopoly? What is gay monopoly? - It's exactly what you think it is. - Oh, gay monopoly. - Yeah. - I thought you were saying game like a Nintendo. - No, no, no. - Gay monopoly. - No, so what's gay monopoly? - It's monopoly, but gay. - What are the properties? - Well, I guess it's just normal monopoly, but a circular board. - Yeah. - 'Cause there's no squares. - Yeah. - It's 'cause it's not straight. - Yeah. - I guess so. - So if there was someone who, I guess,

had only played board games like, you know, Monopoly, Risk, or like the, you know, well-known mainstream ones. What is that? What is the gateway? What is the gateway board game would you think to get into the whole like board game culture and the board game world? - That's a good question. - What's Risk? What weight is Risk at? - My guess, I'm gonna guess it's probably around two.

- Oh wow. - Wow. - This is a whole new game now. One more game, I'll see if I can guess the complexity rating. - Slay the Spire. - That's probably like 3.7. - Slay the Spire. - No, no, 3.5. That's my guess. Slay the Spire. - Slay the Spire. - Slay the Spire. - Yeah, Slay the Spire. - 3. what? - Five.

- Oh, wow. - Okay. - Wow. - You know, that makes sense. 'Cause it's actually not that crazy once you get into it. - Yeah. - I think I just told people when I played it, I was like, just, we'll come across it when we come across it. - 'Cause I will say, especially like Slay the Spire versus Gloomhaven, did feel like a big step up in terms of like learning. - It is a big step up, yeah. - But not so much the complexity, it was just the amount you needed to learn.

from that. 'Cause I would say before doing this, I'd only really played party games and the normal board games. This was personally my gateway board game now that I've gotten more interested in it. But if I didn't have Connor, I would not know

He spread this to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Because I didn't know we were going to, like, when I went to your house, I didn't know what I was getting myself into. Sure. Because I thought I was going to pick the stuff up, we're going to play some games, and I'll be like, all right, man, see you later. But then we started playing, and then I was like, holy fuck, it's 6 o'clock. I came over at like 12. And this is 30 minutes to 150. It was like we were going for ages. It was longer than this, I feel like. Well, did we learn it?

had I played it already? I think you'd, I think I forget that that was my first time. No, it wasn't. I don't think so. But anyway, it was something where, you know, you got to teach that usually. Yeah. I also, these playing times are always a fucking lie. Like it's not 30 minutes for this game. Yeah. If you're a dog shit, if you die in the first like map or whatever. Uh,

- I always tell people if you see like 30, like double it easily. - Yeah, this is double it. - It doesn't include them learning the rule. It doesn't include setting up the board, you know, shit like that. - So how did you get into board games? Like what started this obsession? - The first board game that really got me into was Forbidden Island, if you want to look it up. - Forbidden Island. - Forbidden Island, look it up, guy. What's that one about? - I bought it.

on a whim, we back, back when I was going to Otakon. Oh, any of you go to Otakon? I remember Otakon. I've never been. It was in Baltimore. Um, so I just was with some friends, uh, at Barnes and Noble. Right. And I, I,

saw this game on the shelf i was like hey the cover is cool and maybe it's gonna be some stupid game you know but it might be you know good for a laugh yeah and then it's actually very fun and i still would recommend this to people who have never played a board game it's just a co-op game which uh you're going around you're trying to pick up these artifacts and like the island is like sinking like as time goes on and it's like all right race can you get there grab that thing let's

get to the ship and go or whatever. There's like four of these. It's like Forbidden Island, Desert, Sky, and I think Jungle is the newest one. But yeah, like it's just this made me go, oh shit, like board games can actually, they're not just like, you know, for kids, like shitty Monopoly or whatever. And this one's not hard to learn and it's very exciting, like especially with your first time playing.

So this was a good one. To answer your question before, I think I talked about this maybe the last time I was on, but Pandemic is a good one. Ticket to Ride is fun. Oh, Ticket to Ride. Yeah, there's just ones that are not crazy complicated and just fun. You guys ever play The Mind? I've never played that, no. I would pay money, and maybe your Patreon would, to blow up The Mind. Oh, God. This sounds intense.

- The mind. - The mind. - Yeah. - 2018. - So it's just a deck of cards. I think it's like one to a hundred. Yeah, one to a hundred. - Yeah. - And you randomly get dealt numbered cards. You can't talk and you have to play them in numerical order without fucking. - Oh, I have played this. - Wait, what? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's just, so in the first round you each get dealt one of the random one out of a hundred cards.

I should just carry games with all the time just to force people to play them. - I played this game, but I think it was like a different name or something. Or there was like a Japanese version. - Oh, maybe. Okay. What did you think of it? - Oh, it's so good. - Okay. - Yeah. Especially when you have like quite a large number of people as well, like five, six people, it just becomes chaotic. - It sounds very stupid, but yes, you each get a card and you just have to,

Put them on the table. Just telepathically figure out. Without communicating. Without talking to each other. Surely you would just always play your lowest card, right? So for example, let's say I had a 40 and you had a 12. Let's say he had a...

- Oh, it's not like in order. - Oh, so you have to just play yours first. You have to like read the vibes of people. - You have to look around and be like, I think- - Oh, but we won't have all of the numbers. - Correct. - It's like, I think I have 12. I think I might have the lowest number. - Because what it is is you start, if you play with the same number of people or the same people over and over, you start to go, oh shit, like,

Connor like rushes or something, right? Like he's always like going way too fast. Like you put down a fucking 30, like it's wait. So then the next time you play, it's like, all right, he's probably going to jump the gun. So I got to put my card out fast. You know, it's, you're just sensing the vibe. Yeah. Yeah. That sounds like a little fun. Yeah. That one is.

- Yeah. - And then each level you go up, you know, level two, you each have two cards. - Right, right. - The final level for four players is eight cards each. - Wow. - And what's funny is, and then you have like a certain number of, you can mess up like a certain number of times. There's also like an item you can use where if you all agree and raise your hand, you can all discard your lowest card. - Yeah. - So to make it to like, if you're like, shit, we're gonna like lose the game. Let's use one of our throwing stars. - That's cool.

Oh, that's neat. Yeah, this game, what's funny, it's really hard. And I've only beaten it maybe like a handful of times with friends. But when I visited my family one holiday, I got it on a whim and we beat it first try. And my family was like, oh, this is...

- Not hard. - You're like pulling your hair out. - Are you kidding me? This is like crazy hard. - So you're like a board game sommelier. - Yeah. - I think this is a great time for 2013 vintage. - I actually do take pride in, I mean, so what's a, you know, not to talk only about board games. - Well, I know we got plenty of time. - I would love to. - I feel like we've played more since. - What's a type of game, your experience you're looking for or a game you like or something?

- I'd say like right now, I would say I don't have too much experience, but the Slay the Spy was so much fun. Mostly because it was the first time I played a cooperative kind of like, it was almost like turn-based card game, but I'm used to like competitive card games. So it was the first time that I was working together with a team to clear something. And that was a really cool feeling. It felt like playing a co-op game. - Aeon's End.

Aeon's End? A-E-O-N. I bought this because you recommended it. Did you play it? I haven't played it yet. We're going to do it tonight. So it's a deck building game, co-op game, where you're trying to beat like a boss. And it sends out like these monsters. It's a little, I'm going to try to guess. It's probably 3.4. For Aeon's End? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

- Aeon's End. - 3.4. - Oh shit, 2.81? - Oh shit, okay. - Wow. - I am over, I am over. - Well maybe they've had to like power creep it. They've had to bring down the scores. - Yeah. - Interesting. Anyway, so it's about around a three. So it's actually not too bad. - Yeah. - But it's a deck, you ever play a deck building game? Like...

Clank or actually it's like the spires So it's a similar kind of thing you're working together. However, you don't shuffle your discard pile Okay, so it's part of the strategy right is like as you put cards in your discard pile when you run out of cards You just take it and put it back down And so in order yeah, you don't you don't mix it. Oh wow, and so it becomes this thing you can kind of

make like combos and stuff. - Yeah, yeah. - If you play the cards in the right order, knowing when you draw your hand later, those cards will come back. - Okay. - All right, let's play it then. I bought it. - All right, let's do it. - I sent him a list of things he usually messaged me and I was like, I think I said Clank Catacombs maybe. - You did, there was some that I couldn't find online or I couldn't find, there was some that had like 19 different like legacy version limit like.

And I was like, what the fuck? Which one do I get? I got the Dune one that you recommended. Oh, Dune Imperium. That looks complicated, but it looks fun. It's beefy, but it's great. That looks really fun. Yeah, I want one. The Dune one was like 3.4. Yeah, something like that. It was like Dune. Yeah. That one is Worker Placement. Do you guys know Worker Placement?

- No, but I've really wanted to do a worker placement. - Yeah, it's basically just, you got a bunch of guys, you put them on a thing, you do the thing. That kind of thing. - Yeah, this one looks awesome. I really want to do this one with the boys. And then I bought the zombie one. - Oh, Zombicide. - Zombicide. - That's fun too. - Which you also recommend. - It's just like dice chucking, like, you know, kill zombies, try to cooperative game. - It looked awesome. - Yeah, it's great. - Zombicide? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Zombicide. - Yeah, I definitely do like the RNG aspect of like dice throwing games, for sure.

That's why I love like risk. - Okay. - Oh yeah. - You know, 'cause it's just like, you can strategize, but if your RNG is bad- - But I feel like risk RNG levels out, 'cause you dice roll so often, but you do kind of get the average. - Well, I think it's a good, you know, it's a good balance of like having that random element, but you do it enough times that you can, percentages are on the side of the right place. - I completely disagree, risk sucks. - You think so? We had a great time playing risk. - That's good. I'm happy for you.

I played the Risk Legacy. You know legacy games? No. Legacy games are the ones where it's a campaign and you permanently change the board. Oh. So it's like, imagine Risk, but like, hey, depending on how shit went down, a sticker might go on this country. Right. Or like, you rip up this card or whatever. Oh. So that's legacy games. And Risk Legacy, it was the first legacy game. Right. It was pretty fun, but...

I kept rolling fucking ones. And it was like, what's planning can I do if I'm just going to roll ones all day? - I think that's kind of fun though. - It's funny. I didn't have a bad time with it. - It's funny when it's not happening to you. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it is something that I think that's why a lot of games move away from pure dice rolling. - Yeah, yeah. - We played it again a second time and because none of us would kind of work together, one of us just became too powerful and just steamrolled everyone.

- Ah, I see. - 'Cause no one refused to cooperate to kind of make alliances. So it kind of just, it fell apart. - Gotcha, gotcha. - But yeah, no, damn, I really want to get into more board games, but it's like hard 'cause you gotta like do like a whole day basically, I feel. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - It's definitely like, I think the biggest thing that puts people off is, especially for some of these bigger ones, it's definitely a commitment. 'Cause you are sitting there for like- - This episode is sponsored by ShipStation. Boys, I have a clothing company, but I was like, hey man,

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three, four hours sometimes. - And you have to get people to come over to do it as well. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. - And pay attention. - And pay attention. - I have a very hard rule of, unless it's an emergency, put your fucking phone away. I'll ask, if someone has their phone out, I'll be like, oh, is it an emergency? They go, no. - Just smack it out of there. - I'll just go, I'll wait.

- Because I think, you know, be in the moment. - Yeah, I didn't even realize I didn't use my phone. - Yeah, you did. - That's because the game was so fun. - It was just so good, I couldn't stop. - Listen, I...

I'll pull it out if someone's taking an hour on their turn. I'm like, yo, okay. And that's rare. Usually, I will just sit and just kind of hang out. But sometimes if it's like, yo, you need to hurry the fuck up. But that's like a 1% of the time. I don't know. For me, that's what I love about board games. It's a social experience, right? And usually, even if it's not your turn, it's fun to see what other people are doing or give them shit or just talk. So...

I try to, you know, just let's just- - Just be in the moment. - Be in the moment. - You can be on your phone whenever you want. Also, I can't imagine how fucking infuriating it is to like spend like a good 10 minutes explaining the rules and someone's like, "I wasn't listening, sorry." - "Can you explain that again?" - Yeah, exactly. So yeah, that's usually just what I ask of people. But usually if the game is really fun, you don't even look- - Yeah, you don't need to.

- I mean, the only times I think we were looking at our phones is to check the rules. - Yeah, exactly. - And it's always that one. - Or I bought like the audio companion that would like narrate the thing. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. - For which game?

for "Glue Haven." - Oh, okay. - I bought the narration thing, so I was like, fuck it. - Have you ever thought about making your own board game? Now that you've gone through so many. - It's been like asked to me many times. I would say maybe. Like it would depend on- - What do you value in a board game? What do you find like the most fun?

I feel like if I were going to do one, I love deck building games. So if I made like a deck building game that I really liked, I think that would be, that would be a lot of fun. Um,

- Yeah, something that just is rewarding to play every time you play it. I like that kind of experience. - Yeah, yeah. I mean, I've only played one, but that was so much fucking fun. And I'd love to try the other one as well because yeah, I think the biggest problem is just finding times and finding the mates to come over.

- Do you do it every week where you are? - I usually play games twice a week. - Twice a week? - Oh, wow. - So usually on Saturdays is a board game day for me. And then I have a legacy group. We go through all the legacy games and that's usually like once a week too. - Oh, shit. - So I'm playing pretty consistent. - How do you like, 'cause you mentioning that you have friends that are in like the category of every game, some games. Do you like pick the game based on like who's coming or are you like, I'm playing this game

- And I invite, yes. - Okay, okay. - So like I go, I wanna play-- - You're not on the list, sorry. - I go, I wanna play this game. Who would like this kind of game? 'Cause I don't wanna just invite people and they're having a bad time. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - You know what I mean? So if it's like, it's kind of a beefy game, I'm like, all right, I'll invite so and so and so and so and so. If it's like an easier game, like more people can play, I'm like, great, I'll just invite whoever, yeah. - Got it. Do you ever have the problem of like, you're like, ah man, this is a five player board game. I wanna invite six people or does that ever happen or?

if there is a specific player count, I only invite. - You're like, sorry. - I'm just like four player, it's great. Four players is like the perfect count. - Yeah, I think so too. - I think once you go beyond four, you kind of have to do party games. 'Cause like most games are designed for four. You know, if you boys are in town and want to do a four player game. - Oh, fuck yeah. - But it has to be us four. - Yes. - Yeah.

Just 'cause beyond that, then it's like party games. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - If you want a real good time. - No, I would love to have something, maybe a little bit more beefier, even something more beefy than we would do by ourselves. Anything you recommend, I'm fucking down. - Sure. I'd like 19 spam musubis at your house.

- Oh yeah, that's right. - That's all I ate. - And that was the first time you had Spam Musubi, right? - It was, yeah. I've never had it before. - Never had Spam Musubi? - I don't know, I've never had it. - Why would I have it? - It's coated. - I didn't know that. - 'Cause I remember you were like, "Oh yeah, I don't know, Spam, what was it?" But my wife made some and you were like,

- Yeah, I had it and I was like, okay, I'll have three more. Just ate that for like seven hours. It was so good though, oh my Lord. Yeah, but that was really fun. I think, and again, like having someone who knew the game and walk you through it is such a more fun experience. 'Cause it's just like having like a tutorial, like awesome, okay, yeah. And then you're like, don't ask about this.

And then they're like, all right, okay. When it comes up, it'll be relevant. Usually I'm like, yeah, just wait till the end for questions. Because oftentimes something you have a question about will be answered later. Right, right, right. So you said you bought that in 20, the first board game. So what year did you buy that? 2015, you say? Oh, God, when would that have been? That would have been a long time ago. Maybe like 2015.

I think it was in college. Oh wow. So maybe like, well, it's like 12 or something. 20 to 2000 board games. Actually, I probably made a, I probably made a account around that. What is that? I'm seeing spreadsheets.

- It's a board game geek boyo. - Oh, you rate every single board game you play? - Yes. - Oh, I should do that, huh? - It's great. - The full board game. - That's just for my enemies. - I made my board game geek account in 2016. So my guess is I might've played for, but not maybe 2014.

Because I bought like that and then I played Betrayal at House on the Hill, which is like, that's like a very, a lot of people play that for their first game. What is that? Betrayal at House on the Hill? It's pretty good. It's like you're exploring a mansion and then one of you turns into a traitor. Oh, I think I've played this one. It's definitely, not to be a snob, it's definitely the one people go, oh, I love board games. Betrayal at House on the Hill. Oh, yeah. And I get it. It's a fun game. Like, I like it. Yeah.

the legacy version of this was actually pretty dope. Um, I played,

Because you play through generations of family. Oh, that's cool. You play a generation and then people die and then the next generation, the house keeps all the stuff you did, but it's a new generation of people. That was pretty cool. This is a good starter game. I think you go around and what's cool about it is randomly during the game, something happens and then one of you, you don't know who it's going to be, becomes a traitor and you have to leave the room.

And you have your own manual that you look at of like secret rules. And then when you come back, it's everyone against that player, which is a fun little mechanic, but yeah. - That looks awesome. Are there like different, like what are like the different genres of board games would you say? - Oh, there's a lot. I mean- - I just saw, when you scroll down, I just noticed that look at all these categories and down- - Oh, okay, okay. - Adventure, exploration, horror.

- You can go by like mechanism, like they have their category. - So there's like worker placement games, there's a social deduction games, there's trick taking games, there's all kinds of games. - Are you a fan of social deduction games or? What's social deduction games? - Among Us. - Oh, werewolf. - I love social deduction games. - Really? - Oh yeah. - 'Cause you love torturing people.

- Yeah. - Yeah, I did. - Have you guys played Secret Hitler? - I have played that actually. - I have not played Secret Hitler. What'd you think? - I thought it was a lot of fun. Can't remember much of the mechanics 'cause we were pretty inebriated when someone took it out. - Is this like one of the best ones you say? - It's one of my favorites. Basically it's, you know, you got,

you're the, what the fuck are they called? The bad guys are the fascists. Your liberals are fascists and one player is a secret Hitler. And basically you're, the fascists know who's on their team. The liberals don't. And Hitler is secretly on the fascist team and doesn't know who they are. And you're trying to pass a certain number of liberal policies while the fascists are trying to get six red cards. Okay. That's pretty fun. It's great. It's,

I've said one of my favorite things about a game like this is I love to see the hope die in someone's eyes. I have. Jesus Christ. I have successfully. There have been games where people trusted me with all their heart.

They were like, I can't trust him. I know Sungwon is legit, though. I know he's on the good guy's team. And at the end, they see me in a different light. You want to be a mom? I love these kinds of games. However, these kinds of games...

you gotta warn people 'cause they can get- - It's gonna get emotional. - They might not become your friend again. - Yeah. - If you're someone who's gonna actually get your feelings hurt, which is fine, I think that's not, you know, if you know that about yourself, then I would avoid a game like this. But if everyone is there just to, yo, let's fucking go, you know, we're here to play, no hard feelings. - Yeah.

- It's a great time. - God, I remember the last time I played this, I got heated because I think me and my wife were on a different team and I can tell when she's lying. It was so obvious to me when she was telling a lie, but the hard part was convincing everyone else that she was a liar. - Surely you just said, "Trust me." Just be like, "I know."

- I mean, here's the thing, 'cause the thing is, 'cause I had to convince Emily that Sydney was lying. And unfortunately I had previously lied to Emily. So that trust was broken. And so I had to fight this thing of like, no, no, this time actually trust me.

- Actually fucking trust me. - Have you seen any like massive meltdowns of a board games or like big fights during a board game? 'Cause of like something to do with the mechanics. No, not like external drama.

these kinds of games will make it happen. I won't go into specifics, but sometimes I go like, Ooh, there's an actual fight happening. But it's few and far in between. I think for the most part, it's like a fun kind of your hope dies. It's like the fun version of that. You're like, you son of a gun. You betrayed me. Is it like a...

Is there like a drama in the board game community? Is that like a thing? - What do you mean? Like controversy? - Yeah, do they have like controversies about stuff or is it a pretty chill? - I think it's pretty chill. I think maybe stuff about,

- Yeah, how would you get controversy? - Well, I know 'cause they always- - You like that board game? I'll take. - Well, it's like a community and I know that I'm sure there's something that like maybe a game came out one time that did something that was like, I'd like DLC and- - Do you think there are elitists in the board game? - Of course, yeah, there must be. - The only things I can think of are like sometimes like a Kickstarter goes really bad. - Right. - Like they just fuck it up or whatever.

And then the other stuff is like your typical, oh, this game came out with a new version 'cause the previous version was kind of racist. So they made it not racist. And then people are like, "It's not racist." You know that. That's the only thing I can think of. But for the most part, I think they're pretty chill. - Is there like a, let's say something like a fucking, I don't know, Jujutsu Kaisen where a lot of people are like, it's popular, but

everyone's so many people are like, it's overrated. It's overrated in the board game world. - Munchkin sucks. - Munchkin sucks? - You know Munchkin? - I like Munchkin. - It's just like a card game. You're like always, you're just like, oh, hi, I play this card. - Oh my God, I've played this one.

- What the hell is this? - That's not good. - I did not like this one. - I don't like it. It's fine. It's just like a, "Ha ha, I play this card and I beat your card." And you like go up on points or whatever. It's like kind of a joke game. It's fine. I'm not a big fan of it. So that one can eat my ass. - What's your opinions of Cards Against Humanities?

That's the right answer. Yo, Cards Against Humanity. Or like any of those kinds of adjacent games. Like if you're going to play a game like that, there's just the one that's called Say Anything where you just write your answers on a marker board. Then it's like, okay, you can have fun with that. But like, ha, ha, ha, you know, Hitler, ha, ha, ha. It's so funny. No, fuck Cards Against Humanity. Yeah.

- I will refuse to play cards against humanity. - I'm getting to that point. And I was just like, okay, well if someone said it sucks, then I can- - For some reason it's always that one card game that every house has. - I need to show people better. There are way better party card games. You know, Just One.

no no just one is a very simple game you all have like a little marker board thing and you're trying to get like each person let's say it's connor's turn yeah he's trying to guess this uh or we're trying to get him to say the word i don't know turkey or something right right and so we have to write clues and usually have like you know five six seven people yeah you each write down a word and on your own but if you reveal and any of you wrote the same word they cancel out and you can't show them

So you have to think of words that the other people aren't going to write. Because what's going to happen is once we all reveal, because Connor has his eyes closed or whatever, and then it's like, all right, oh, fuck. Gart and I wrote the same thing. We block it. Connor has to guess the word based on what's left. Oh, so if you like turkey, it'd be like meat, meat. Okay, so we could actually, yeah. So like pick a word, any word.

- Television. - Television. All four of us, think of one word you would say, we'll say it in unison. - Okay. - So television. - Okay. - Okay. - Okay. Ready? - Yeah. - Three, two, one. Broadcast. - Staticism. - What did you say? - Program. Static.

- Okay. - I pretty get that. - So that's an example of how you would- - But if you both said like static. - If we both said static, then ours would be canceled. - That's a pretty cool idea. - So it's not something you would play with four people because actually what's great about BGG, God, BGG is getting a lot of publicity. What's one of the best features is you see that best six to seven under the number of players. Every board game, they tell you the best player count.

count. Okay. So just one, you should play six or seven because you need enough people to make it interesting. If you only have three players working for Connor, then it's just like, well, we're probably going to. Yeah. So yeah, cool. That and the weight.

I'm telling you guys out there, if you're interested in board games, board game geek is indispensable because you couldn't pull up any game and go, oh, the weight. Oh, it's one to two. Okay, that's an easy game. How many players? Oh, six to seven. Because sometimes some games are listed like, you know. Yeah, they have outrageous ranges. Yeah, but some games are listed like, oh, two to six players. But the best player count is actually two.

Aeon's End is one where I think it can play well with anything, but I actually really like how it plays with the two players. Right, right. So like that's a really good guide of like, oh shit, is this good for my group? I have like four people. Right. That's the kind of thing that you would use it for. This is not sponsored by the

We are shouting this out a lot. - If you wanna send us some money. - I'm sure there's a massive part of our audience as well that wants to know, like wants to maybe play some board games with their friends, but just didn't know where to start. - Yeah. - A lot of the time as well, I feel like,

when you're not in a friend group that plays board games, you have to be quite confident in recommending it being like, no, no, we should play this. It will be fun. And I think you need to have that confidence, but you don't know unless you've played it, right? So I guess maybe having something like this where it's very easy to explain is a great way to get people kind of into it. But then it'd be sucks when you're like six to seven, all right, three of you leave. We're gonna play this. - I need to piss quickly. - Sure, sure. - Yeah, some potty games would be great to have. - Potty games are really nice to have. - That mind one looks really fun as well.

Yeah, yeah.

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- A really good one is Perudo. - Perudo? - Liar's dice. - Okay. - You know that game? - No, can we search this up? Perudo? - Yeah. - How do you spell it? - E-R-U-D-O. It's like an old game. Like it's been- - 1800s? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - 1800s? - All you need is like six cups and five dice. - Okay. - Five dice each.

It's just a classic bluffing game. So you like roll a dice then bluff? So it's like you all roll your dice secretly and then you just start trying to predict how many dice are under everyone's cups.

It's extremely fun. Oh, liar's dice. I have heard of liar's dice. Yeah. They play it in Pirates of the Caribbean. Oh, really? Like three or something. So do I like just hide how many I'm putting in the cup? All of you have a certain number of dice and you roll them and you look at them hidden. So you know your dice, but you don't know what anybody else's dice. Right, right. So you might say like, I think there's like nine fours and ones are wild. That's the thing. It's like when you say, oh, I think there are nine fours.

Then the next player has to either raise that and go, I think there are 10 of something. Or they can call your bluff and say, dudo. And then you challenge and see who was right, who was wrong. Whoever was wrong loses the dice. Oh, and then the last person with all their dice wins? Yeah. Oh, wow. That's okay. That sounds fun. I was ranked...

- Number one in the world. - Fuck off. - I'm not exaggerating. - How do you get ranked number one in the world at this? - Board game arena. - What? - I was ranked number one in the world. - At Liar's Dice. - At Liar's Dice. - How? - I was very good. - What's the strategy like? How do you ensure when? - I'm not giving away my secrets. - Okay, okay. - I'll say,

- You can use, I mean, part of it is math. Part of it is also you pay attention to what other people are bidding. - Right, right. - So it's like, okay, he bid eight twos. And then when it comes back around, it's like, okay, do you really have twos? You pay attention to the consistency of bets. There is a math element involved for probability, right? Anyway, yeah. - That sounds fun. - It's very fun. - Duff beer. - Yeah, they have a Simpsons version, I guess. - Oh, okay. - 'Cause why wouldn't they?

- Liars Dice, have you heard of this game? - Yeah. - Have you played it? - Liars Dice? - Yeah. - 1800s. - Oh, I thought, is this like the Chinese drinking game? - It's something different. - Might be. - Maybe. - Okay, okay.

- 'Cause I know basically in China, they have something that's called Lies Dice. I don't know if this is exactly. - It might be, yeah. - Yeah, but it's normally just something you see in every karaoke booth. It's a drinking game over there. - Oh, wow. - Yeah. - But what else have you been up to? - 'Cause obviously you're in Japan as well. - Crane gaming. - Crane gaming? - Crane gaming, yeah. - This is your fourth time to Japan, you said? - It is, yes. We went to Osaka for a bit.

For me, I've just been eating. Eating. As you do. That's all I do when I'm on the go. I don't have specific dishes I want to try. Like this time I tried, is it yanagawa nabe? Do you know that?

no yana maybe i want to make sure you get it right but yanagawa nabe it basically there was this uh i got my list here uh i got lists for everything boys yeah yanagawa nabe is like uh yeah we had we had it like it was like sardines and it was in like an egg and onion like sort of like it's pretty good uh it was really fucking good there was where did you get it

I don't remember where we got it. Cause we've been to so many places. Cause what I, my strat is just, I don't try to like pre-plan too much when I go to Japan. I just know there are things I want. So I'm like, okay, I want to try Yanagawa Nabe. And I'll go like, I'll literally just Google maps it. Yeah. Like I'll just, cause you know, it auto translates everything. That's honestly one of my biggest advice for people is don't worry too much about it. I need to go to this restaurant at this place. If you want to eat a dish, like,

Japanese people use Google maps and rate everything on there all that, like all the time. Right. Yeah. And I found really good places just like that, you know, normally tourists don't go to. Right. And I was, I was going to say, there's usually more than one place as well. Exactly. So yeah, I had a great experience. Uh,

Actually, I will shout this place out specifically because it was just such a memorable time. I wanted tempura. And I was like, okay, well, what's like a, you know, a good tempura place that's like nearby. And I just randomly searched tempura. And this place was called Wakataka in Shinagawa. And we go and sit down.

And it was kind of intimidating because I don't actually speak Japanese very well at all. Right. Even though I've been here like four times. And basically it was like the classic joint where it's like only Japanese businessmen and like they're kind of looking at you like, why are you here? You know, that kind of thing. And it was kind of awkward because...

they kind of had to move over to make room for us. So they kind of like had to pick up their shit. And so we kind of, we felt kind of bad. And so we, we sat down and we're kind of, and the menu is not in English at all. So we're like pulling out our phones and shit. I don't think this is it. That's the grand Prince hotel. I think it might be that one. Is it on the station next to it? It was. It's next. It's next. Yeah. Yeah. I think this is it. Um,

And so we sit down and then like, we're just kind of pulling out our phones or whatever. And then we hear in perfect English, one of the Japanese businesses go, then it goes like, you guys want to, you guys want to help or whatever. And it was just like, this guy was from Tennessee. He's lived in Tokyo for like, you know, five, six years or whatever. But then the rest of them, you know, all, and then we just became buddies with these four Japanese business people. Um,

And the temper was really fucking good. Oh, yeah. And the guy, actually, the guy was like a former pro wrestler, too. Oh, shit. What a random ass life. Oh, yeah. Their tempered soft boiled egg was amazing. Oh, that looks delicious, man. They poured a good ass, like, they were like,

I think the business people were saying like, oh yeah, like they're professionally like professional beer pourers. Like they make you feel like the foam is perfect or whatever. Yeah. And it was a good, it was a good ratio. I was like, shit. Uh, CSI. Yeah. Are you a big beer guy? No,

- Actually, no, 'cause I'm not supposed to drink. - Oh, okay, okay. - So for me, it's like special occasions. - Right. - I mean, that's pretty, you know. - Yeah, if they're like, we pour the beer perfectly, you're like, oh, I gotta go. - Professional beer. - I have to try the beer. - Exactly, so when I was like, oh fuck, you're a professional beer pourer, I will have a beer. Or like my weakness is always like,

Oh, yeah. Or if I'm at karaoke, I love soju, you know. So I will indulge, but usually I'm supposed to like not, you know. Right, right, right. But if I'm going to have a fucking professional poured beer, you know.

You can't say no to that. I can't say no to that. Get the ruler out to be like, oh my God, it's the golden ratio. The golden ratio. That's why for me, Google, just Google maps and just like find a place. Yeah. There was one last trip. It was Kyoto. I don't remember the name of the place. Unfortunately, I wanted to try like,

a specific tofu dish or style of cooking. And so there was this random ass one, like up in a neighborhood, like in the hills or whatever. And we like trekked up there and the old woman there was just like so excited. She was like, wow, how did you find out about us? I was like, I just literally full maps it. - That's a good method of, I think finding cool spots as well. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I mean, I've never heard of that nabey type.

- Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. - If you know an obscure food dish, that's... - Right. - 'Cause there's so many. - Yeah. So once I tried this, I tried Yanagawa Nabe, I tried Abura Soba for the first time. - Oh, Abura Soba. - So good. - So fucking good. - Which one did you go to though? - It was the one in Ikebukuro. - Oh, okay, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - My favorite Abura Soba place is, it's in Asakusa. - Oh, okay. - It's like on the outskirts of Asakusa, but it's so good.

- I'll have to hit you up for specific restaurant recommendations. - When you said that the business man spoke perfect English, I've had the opposite awkward interaction where I was speaking to a person in Japan who looks Japanese. I go, "I don't speak Japanese."

in like perfect English. I'm like, is this, is this racially profile? But I mean, I'm in Japan. So like, if I see an Asian person, I should speak Japanese, right? - It's like, just give me this one, man. - Yeah, yeah. - It's like, I was like, I felt bad that I was like, that I just like hurt this guy's feelings as well. Does he feel bad that now he can't speak Japanese? Or like, am I the asshole? Like, I don't know what to do here. - I mean, I mean. - Can I win in this situation? You can't, you know. If I speak English, I'm an asshole, right? 'Cause he goes like, see what I'm saying?

True.

- It's an unreasonable assumption. - I'm sure he probably gets that a lot. - Probably. - If he's working in Japan, unfortunately. So you've been here for two weeks almost? Most of the time in Tokyo or have you like gone around? - Mostly in Tokyo and then just Osaka for like three days. - Okay. So I'm guessing you've already done like in previous trips, like the big fucking tourist spots and you're just like chilling out now every time you come back to Japan. - I'll still hit up,

tourist spots because I'm just a fucking degenerate weeb.

So like I know Akiba is overrated. Yeah. But I only go, there's only two spots in Akiba I go to. Yeah. Like I've gone enough times where I know it's this figure shop and this figure shop. Yeah, yeah. So that's kind of nice when you go, I've been at many times, it's not like, oh, wow. And then you just kind of go around. You're like, all right, I'm here. I'm going to go this one, this one. Check what they got. I got a bunch of good shit. All right, let's go. Yeah. I mean, it's changed so much because everything's kind of moving online now.

where the figure stores aren't really the deals that they used to be. - Yeah, a lot of the figure stores are closed down now in Akiba. - Yeah. - Yeah. - It's just like, no one comes in physically to buy these anymore. - 'Cause if you know how to type the figure in Japanese, you can find any figure online.

- Mandarake has like everything. - Oh dude, you go to, you go to Mercari. - Yeah, Mercari too. - It's like half the price and the quality is just- - Yeah, 'cause people are like, you know, as well like now, most of the stores in Akihabara that are on like, especially if they're near the main street that sell like old retro video games, like if they sell like Nintendo 64, SNESs, like a lot of the times they are marked up quite heavily.

- Yeah. - Even though they seem cheap to, if you're from America or the UK, 'cause you're like, you would never be able to get Nintendo 64 in box full stop. - Yeah. - Yeah. - But on Mercado, you can get it for like, or Yahoo Auction, you can get it for like 10 bucks or 20 bucks. - Exactly. - Don't quote me exactly on the price, but around that, it's very, very cheap online. - I have some friends who are into retro games who are with me on this trip. And yeah, they were saying the markups were pretty bad, like Super Potato. - Super Potato is like insane. - Well, 'cause it's like the easiest to find store in Acuba. - Yeah. - And they know it.

- And it is like the retro game store. - I still think it's cool to go to and show people like just, you know, two floors of all retro stuff. Like I think that's, it's visually cool. But a lot of the times if you really want something just, you know,

- It's the sad truth of shopping in 2024, 2085, right? Just look online when you found what you want. - There is a nice feeling just go into an area and just like not knowing. - If it's like 200 yen difference, I'll buy it in the store. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - You know what I mean? But like, if it's like, dude, they've marked it up three times, man. And I also don't want them to like make money off this 'cause I think this is a bad practice. Like I don't wanna buy. And then now they're all doing what they do in GameStop where everything is slowly becoming plushies anyway in a lot of these game stores.

They're like, what do you mean? Don't you want a Mario plush? Like, no, I want a fucking GameCube control that's orange. And then I'll hit up like Nakano Broadway and stuff. Oh, that's a pretty good spot. Yeah. I got a really good... Any of you watch Hajime no Ippo? Mm-hmm. This guy, this old man had a... It was a Takamura figure. And it was...

on sale and it was and I don't think anyone ever asked to find this figure yeah because I there was another figure I was like oh how much is that he's like oh I forget exactly how much but here's one that's half the price and

and it was a giant fucking figure of him too. So that was one of my good finds this time. - Hell yeah. - Yeah. - I personally, I think you can find a cooler stuff in Nakano Broadway. - Yes. - Because it's, Akiba sometimes very much on like the mainstream or the wifey kind of like side of things. - And any store that's like you go there, it's a wall of, you know,

Demon Slayer, One Piece, like, nope, nope. - I've always said knock on a Broadway is like the hip stock, y'all. - I mean, it is, it is. - The best ones are the ones that are just like fucking full of, it's just glass cases of random shit. 'Cause it's just like a yard sale at that point, right? 'Cause isn't it like they're like individual boxes or- - Yeah, that you run out the box. - Yeah, it's just like, oh shit, there's like a little figure I never see from a show, you know? That's what I'm looking for.

- For sure. - And it's like, sometimes you see a figure and you're like, wait, they made a figure from this show? - Exactly. - This show that nobody watched but me? What the fuck? - Oh, I mean, this is one of my favorite figures that we have. - That's a good one. - Yeah, that's a good one. - This is so good. - That's a weapon. - Yeah. - And the, what was the other one that we found that was really cool? We found a lot of really cool ones. - I mean, we sold- - I have that Lego shoe. That's a good one. - I like that one as well.

- Are all three of you figure guys? - Not so much anymore. - I'm just running out of space. - Yeah, I think I'm just getting older. I'm appreciating figures less and less. I think I still like the really big ones. I think are really cool. And especially the craftsmanship that goes into making them is really impressive, but something like,

- You know, like there's $20 ones you get from the crane game. I'm kind of a different- - I definitely get very picky. - Yeah. - I still buy figures, but for me it's more, it's not necessarily like the price matters. It's the, what it's from. - Yeah. - Well, imagine if you voiced a character as well, you're more like that. - Do you collect every character you voice? - 100%.

I specifically search for stuff that like, so actually this trip, I found some really good ranking of Kings ones. So like, it was just like three of them there. I was like, fuck yeah. Instant buy or whatever. Whenever I voice a new Pokemon, I'm always like, give me the Pokemon card. So, um,

- No, yeah. - Just gonna make your own case where it's like, this is me. - This is all me. - Oh, I already have a section of my show. It's all the- - What a flex. - It's like Neko Mamushi from One Piece and stuff like that. - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

- Have they made Senshi stuff yet? Is that? - Oh yeah. I got that Nendoroid coming. And I don't even usually buy Nendoroids, but I'm gonna buy the Senshi Nendoroid. - You went to the cafe as well, right? - Yeah, in Osaka. - Was it delicious in Osaka? Was it good? - Which cafe? - They had a delicious dungeon like collab. You know, I went to two different ones. I went to one in Joypolis.

- Okay, wow. They have one in Joy Bliss? What was it, Sonic? - No, it was Delicious in Dungeon. - They have that in Joy Bliss? I thought Joy Bliss was Sega. Am I crazy? - It is, but they had one there. - Oh, okay, wow. - The food was- - The food is never good in these cafes. - So with that in mind, I thought the food at the cafe in Osaka was like,

- The drinks were good. I liked the drinks. - Yeah. - Yeah. - It's kinda hard to fuck up a drink. - Yeah. - Yeah, 'cause they just put like, I hate it when they put jelly in it. Stop putting jelly in these fucking drinks. - I don't know, I can fuck with jelly. - No, jelly's fucking all, I don't wanna drink. - He's a certified jelly hater. - I'm a jelly hater. - He hates jelly. - And also, I've been to the- - All right, I think we need to boil, we need to talk about food hot takes. What are your food hot takes? You don't like jelly in drinks?

- There's like oranges. - I think orange flavor things are bad. - A fan of scurvy, are you? - I eat limes. - How about any hot food takes? - I have none. - None? You have none? - He has the most. - I don't know if you heard this 'cause this is a famous one. He doesn't eat condiments.

- I don't like ketchup, mayo, mustard. - Anything that's like gloopy. So like if you get a hot dog. - I raw dog that shit. - You raw dog a hot dog? That's crazy. - Just give me the hot dog. - You know what's the most diabolical? When he goes to McDonald's, he orders nuggets with no sauce. - Do you get to order a burger with no, it's just patty and cheese?

- In McDonald's you normally have the sauce in it, but if I get a burger, normally I just, yeah, patty and cheese. That's all I need. Sometimes a bit of bacon on that. - You could've just said yes. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - You're like, well, there's more to it. Really the lettuce is a source of the grass. - Yes, yes. - I will do that if the place has a really good patties. - Yeah. - I will act, yeah.

- Listen, you ever have a smashed burger where they like smash and make a crispy griddle?

- I will do it if I want to taste the patty. - Well, yeah. - Because ketchup and stuff can overpower it. - But normally you don't want, I guess the idea would be that there wouldn't be that much sauce on it where, you know, 'cause especially smash burger, the edges normally, you know, when it's sticking out of the patty. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Though normally that's like the, you can have a little trial of the unsauced because the sauce shouldn't just be in the middle. - I'm not talking about smash burger or the chain. I'm talking about like that style. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I guess it's the same thing. - But like,

- I guess for me, for burgers, I think that mayonnaise or like ketchup is really good at kind of combating a lot of the heavy fatty flavors. 'Cause you know, tomato sauce or ketchup is kind of vinegary a little bit. - Yeah, no, I don't, I'm not opposed to ketchup. - I think it kind of helps. - Like I usually will have- - I feel like it's necessary is what I'm saying. - I just preferred like if I'm having a burger, if it's a good burger, I have no problem having- - Is there like an ick factor? Do you think condiments are kind of gross?

- 'Cause some people have that like a sensory, like they don't like the goopiness. - Yeah, specifically, like I said, ketchup, mayo, mustard, normally the big three that I just- - Ranch? - I just, not ranch either. - I used to not like ketchup as a kid.

- Which is ironic because most kids love ketchup. - Yeah, I hated ketchup as a kid and then I grew up and then I still never got over ketchup. Mayo, I've turned my opinion around specifically because of Kewpie mayo, which I think fucking fantastic. I still don't like the, you know, not Kewpie mayo. Ketchup, I don't know because it's weird 'cause I've really loved tomato sauce, right? I love tomatoes, but it's a bit, the smell, the vinegary, the vinegary like taste, it's...

- You must have a hot food take. - No, all my takes are right. - No, you must have something, you know, maybe this is not the public opinion. There must be something that you feel like is, you're like, you feel like you're in the minority. - You can throw some out and we'll judge if it's hot or not. Trust me, we've had a lot. - I think if there's something that's like really egregious, do you have one while I think?

I kind of fuck with everything. - The thing, I'm very not picky. Like I will eat pretty much anything. Like I have no nothing. You know, it's like the, I think this isn't like a controversial opinion, but like In-N-Out fries are terrible. - Yeah, they are terrible. - Yeah, that's the thing. - Yeah, it's not controversial. - It's factual. - That's why you have to bury them in all the sauce and cheese to make them. - Yeah, exactly. - That's why sauce saves the day. - What do you think is the best fast food chain in America?

Oh, for burgers. No, just in general. Yeah. My favorite is steak and shake.

- Oh shit. - You ever had a steak and shake? - I've never had a steak and shake before. - Yeah, I have. - It's so wrong. - It's so wrong. - It's so wrong. - What the fuck are you talking about? - Dude. - It's mid. - What is your favorite? - He said that with such conviction. - What's your favorite? Let's hear it. - If I had to say. - Yeah, what? - Okay, wait, do you count five guys or is that fast casual? - Yeah, it's five guys fast. - Yeah, I was gonna say five guys. - Or is that fast casual? Like I'm trying to understand like the level where we're counting. - Let's say, what's your answer besides five guys?

- I like either Shake Shack or Wendy's. - Okay, both are good. - I like Wendy's, but I, man, just the burger in and out, not the fries, just the burger. But then again, I feel like that's unfair. Well, can you rate a place just off one item? - Yeah, yeah. - It's a thing they do well. - I genuinely like the burgers in and out.

The main draw is the value. You get a great burger for a very reasonable price. But I genuinely really liked the burger. - All right, the burger is good. The fries are the worst. - Diabolical. - But the burger is pretty damn good. - Why can they not just make the fries good? - 'Cause they're relying too much on the burgers.

- I just feel like why have they not got this right? Like they've had so many years to just make them good and then there would be no contention. - I feel like they're just iconic at this point where they're like, - Yeah, that's shit. - We like, the people love cardboard. They love it. - What's your favorite? - We carrying like subs in fast food? - Well, I guess you could. What, you like Jimmy John's? - Yeah, I fucking love Jimmy John's, man.

- When I'm in Wisconsin, I order like a Jimmy John's every day. - Okay. - I don't get it. - It's circumstantial for me, I think. - Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's what I count as fast food. - Something about like- - If not, if something a bit more mainstream. - There's something about Subway and Jimmy John bread that I'm not a fan of. Chipotle, I love Chipotle. - Chipotle? - Chipotle is good. - Chipotle is good. - Yeah, yeah. - Although I feel like now, I feel like you, every time I've gone, 'cause when I first went in like 2017, it was like the mind blowing experience. I was like, oh my God, this is so good. And I remember I went with you.

- Did we go to Chipotle? - We went to Chipotle in San Francisco. - Oh, you're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The crunchy roll. - 'Cause I think we were all standing around like, "What are you gonna eat?" And I was like, "I don't get to eat Chipotle. Can we all go to Chipotle?" You're like, "Oh, okay." And then like six people came with us. And then I think I was like losing my mind. But now you go and I feel like, I have to like beg.

to get like a crumb of meat. I'm like, actually no, I wanted chicken, not one chicken. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Chicken plural. - Yeah, I was like, I was hoping for a scoop actually. No, yeah, don't worry about it. Actually, it's fine. I'll tip, so I'm sorry.

Yeah, I think no one said any choices that have made me want to attack. So why I don't like Shake Shack that much is one, I think the price is way too high. I didn't pick Shake Shack. Oh, Steak and Shake. Oh my God. The whole time I thought you meant...

- No, Steak and Shake. - No, you said Steak and Shake. I like Shake Shack. - I like Steak and Shake. I remember being in Indianapolis for an anime convention. - Okay, yeah. - At like 3:00 AM and going into that Steak. I don't know if you've been, you've been to a con in Indiana.

- It must have, yeah, probably. - It's like that one steak and shake on the corner of like one of the main streets near the convention center. And I went there at 3:00 a.m. and it felt like PVP was turned on. It was like the staff were shouting and arguing with everyone. - Holy shit, that's the one time I've been to steak and shake as well. - And I remember I asked her and I had this really awkward, it must've been the most British thing that she'd ever heard. She brought out the burgers. I said, "Oh no, I think you spilled oil on top of my burger." And I asked her to take it back. And then she was like,

honey, that ain't an accident. I was like- That's a plus up. I was like, but this one's dry and all of the other ones have oil on them. Can I just have this one? And then they looked at me scorningly. And they deported you. And then they brought out the burger again and there was oil on top and I was too afraid to say anything again because I could feel the aura of hatred. But how was it?

- The one without oil was great. I didn't like when they douse it in oil. I was like, it's already oily enough. - So you are not, you thought I said Shake Shack. - Yeah, I thought you said Shake Shack. So Steak and Shake I actually quite like, but I remember the price was very good, but I haven't been in like five years. - Yeah, the price is good. And it's just a simple, I like the smash patties. You ever had Culver's?

- I've not been. - Culver's is fucking great. - Culver's. - Well, you're from Michigan, right? So that's Midwest. - Yeah, I would say out of when we did our tour, out of all like the local burger chains, I'm a Culver's simp. - Culver's is great. Culver's is kind of in the same neighborhood as Steak and Shake in terms of presentation, like smash patties. And then they have cheese curds, which are great. - Yeah, fuck. - Yeah, Culver's fucking lips.

- He's hard for cheesecakes. - Yeah. - What is a food that everyone likes that you're not a fan of? - Ooh. You know, I'm not, how familiar are you all with Korean food? - Quite familiar. - Somewhat familiar, yeah. - I think the most overrated Korean food is bulgogi.

I think it's good. But when galbi is sitting right there, the short ribs, that's what I want. Bulgogi is a good introductory... Yeah, it's good. It's simple and people like it. But...

- I think the strength of bulgogi is that it can just be a really cheap piece of meat. You can just kind of like shave it onto a dish essentially and make it kind of a bit more flavorful. Whereas if you had a, for the short rib, I feel like if it was a really cheap cut- - It's definitely pricier. - Yeah, it's definitely pricier. I mean, I would never say no to a bulgogi. - Of course. I'll definitely eat it, but it's never my first choice.

at like a Korean restaurant. - Right, right, right. - I love bibimbap. Bibimbap's my favorite. - Bibimbap's great. - It's actually stoned. - Dull. - Yeah, dull. - That's what it's got about. - It's gotta be dull. - Stone plates. - Oh, oh.

- Fuck, I want Korean food now. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Shit. - I'm getting hopeful. - I realize I haven't had Korean food in a long time. - I mean, I think so. - Okay, yeah. - I'm a white British man, so what do I know? - That's true. - I mean, you'd hope so since they're right next to each other. - Yeah. - And also there's like a massive Korean population in Japan and this is the entire Irish Nakabo, which is basically just mini Korea. - It's Korea. - Oh, okay. What's your favorite Korean dish?

- I'll be even better for me for sure. - I'll always order it. - Yeah, I'm kind of boring answer, but I think Bibimbap as well. - Okay. - It's hard to beat. - It's like the perfect synergy of flavors. - It really is. - I don't know. - Oh, probably. - Do you like Bibimbap? - I do love Bibimbap. - Do you not use Gochujang? - Oh. - So you use Gochujang? - I use Gochujang. - Okay, so that's not off the table then.

I was like, if you hate bibimbap without the gochujang, I'd be like, you're a psychopath. - I need the gochujang. - Okay, okay. - Thank God he doesn't- - Like anything with gochujang, I'm like, the shit fire. - Okay. - This shit's fucking fire. - This is not gloopy. - It's not gloopy. - It's more of a paste. - And most importantly, it's spicy and I like- - It's spicy and also it ties the dish together. - Yeah. - What's the, I forget what it's called, where it's like a big plate and then it's rice and they just put like

- Yeah, I was trying to remember the name for that where- - You know what it's called? - It's like a bunch of- - It's just a hot plate and they just put a ton of rice and meat and then like you just kind of shovel it into a bowl and eat it. They've got a bunch of chains of that here as well.

- I know what you're talking about. - It's fried rice and you just kind of treat it like barbecue. You just literally just shove everything on this hot plate and then it's so good. - God, when did we go to Korea, Connor? - Oh, well I went with a Korean person here as well and they were like, let me do everything. I was like, all right. That was the best fucking thing I've ever eaten. - Say no more, say no more. - And they were grilling kimchi on it. I love grilled kimchi. - Oh, is kimchi just goaded?

- Yeah, yeah. - It's so good. - I mean, there's no hot takes about Korean food 'cause Korean food fucking slaps. - Yes. - Do you have a favorite cuisine? Like for me, it's Korean food. I'm biased, but I love- - Oh, I'm biased. I'm gonna say Thai as well. - Okay, yeah. I'll use Italian for you. - You're Japanese, right, Joey?

- I mean, it's what you grew up with. - Yeah, I'd say Japanese. - But best cuisine not from your home country. You don't have to worry because no one's standing like- - What do you mean beans on toast isn't your favorite? - If it's not from my background, I'd probably have to say Italian. - For me,

The thing is, so many good Asian cuisines. Yeah. Japanese, Chinese, Thai. But Italian is so good. I do love Italian food. It's great. Everyone loves Italian food. I love Indian food. Oh, Indian food. I didn't even second that, I think. Yeah. I think mine, oh, shit.

- If we're going like a little bit kind of like off the beaten path, I also really fucking love Vietnamese food as well. - Yeah, Vietnamese food is great. - Mine might be Japanese in second. Just 'cause I think there's,

and stuff and then like Koreans love just like pickles and shit and you know, Japanese people love pickles. - I fucking love pickles. - Yeah. - Yeah, it's so good. - Yeah, for me, maybe Italian if I'm going European cuisine. British food in it? - British. - Okay, I do think British food is the most over clowned on foods in the world. I don't think it's as bad as- - You don't think it deserves the hate? - I don't.

I think, okay, okay, look. Which cuisine is the worst cuisine then?

- Yeah, bro, Germans get away with it, bro. Germans get away with it, bro. - German is like almost the exact same as British cuisine, but nobody clowns on them. - Just to be fair, I love German food. But all they got is potatoes, sauerkraut and like cuts of meat. - And just, that's it. - Yeah, that's it. - Joey's like calling up his ancestry. - As a quarter German, I'm offended. But I also don't disagree.

- Yeah, we are bringing you down with us Germans. - The problem is that British people are too vocal on TikTok about showing off their fucking God awful homemade food. And so it's like, you'll have like Cheryl from North Africa, this is what I'm eating for dinner. And then it's just all brown and chips. And you're like, what the fuck is this? - What's the best British dish? You're like, all right, I'm gonna defend my country's honor. - Okay, for like a personal one or if I wanted to convince you that like, it's not that bad. - Why don't you give me both?

- I mean my favorite, which I know would not convince anyone is bangers and mash. It's just so basic. - I can fuck with bangers and mash. - Just sausages, mash, beans. - That's fine. - Nothing wrong with that. - If I wanted to convince you, probably a good Sunday roast. - Oh, Sunday roast is cute. - Sunday roast is- - So what exactly does a Sunday roast entail?

- Like roast beef, right? - Yeah, it could be roast beef, roast chicken, roast pork. - Roast chicken's probably the most popular. - Roast chicken's the most popular. - You have like broccoli or some veg. - Yeah, and then you have stuffing along with that as well and Yorkshire pudding, which just like ties everything together. - Yorkshire, yeah, those are good.

- I like a full, what is it? A full English breakfast or whatever. - Oh yeah. - I can fuck with that. - I had that three days in a row in London and by the third day I thought I was gonna have a heart attack. - Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah.

I'm trying to think, I really like shepherd's pie. - You convinced me with, what was it? The cheese and onion pasty. - Cheese and onion pasties? - Pasties are great. - Pasties are also great. - They were like made out of necessity for miners to have a snack while they're working. It doesn't spoil easily. That's half of British food. Oh yes, botulism won't affect this until the third solace. You know, you're like, oh, well that's good, isn't it? I mean, I always have to Google to remind myself what the British dishes are 'cause I feel like,

- A lot of the stuff that you make at home is the lowest and quickest, easiest things. - Like a sausage sandwich as well. - I mean, that's very British. - Sausage sandwich? - Sausage sarnie. - There's like a chip buddy or whatever you can- - Oh, chip buddies are good. - Sorry, it's not Bunnings. - Oh, scotch eggs. - Scotch eggs. - I mean, I do think that probably Shepard's or cottage pie is one of my favorites. - Chicken, chicken, masala, of course. - Beef Wellington is fire. - Beef Wellington, what's toad in the hole? - Oh, toad in the hole? - That's the egg, right? Egg in the toast or something? No?

- No, no, no, Toad and Ho is when you have like a bunch of sausages. - Mm, sausages. - I love sausages so much, I will fight. - They're great. - Toad and Ho is great 'cause it's just a sausage. - Easily the worst. - Sausages in a Yorkshire pudding batter. - Yes, yes. - Easily the worst thing about Asia is just the lack of appreciation for sausages. There's just no fucking good sausages anywhere.

- I was saying the biggest thing that British dishes don't have going for it is that they just have never figured out presentation at all. - Yeah, it's like this is a fucking travesty. - I'll eat that. - And like bangers and mash, like click on it. Like it doesn't like, it's not the most like cleanest looking thing, but it's fucking phenomenal. It's such a good combination. - That is one of my pet peeves though is when people go, "Oh, it looks gross."

- Taste it first. - Yeah, eat it. - 'Cause this is like, and the problem is we have too much mush in our food. A lot of British food is mushy. And like cottage pie, which is one of my personal favorites, it just like looks like worse lasagna. But that one's also not a, bro, I mean, this one doesn't look good. - You know, I know British food gets a lot of hate,

- I like British food. It's just a bunch of fried shit and sausages and gravy and shit. - I love sausages. - It's always so good. - Shepard's pie is better than cottage. - Like I said, if we just got better naming conventions and better presentation, I don't think it would be clowned on as much.

- Yeah, 'cause look what the Canadians did. - Eat a mess. - They fucking took chips and gravy, called it poutine, and suddenly it's like, oh, it's a national dish. I'm like, what the fuck? - Yeah, we had that before them. - Yeah, we had it before the boss. - People love it as well. People are like, yo, I had poutine in Canada, it was lit. - Yeah, yeah, I'm like, what the fuck? We had that in England. We called it just chips and gravy. And that just sounds a lot less,

- A lot less appealing. - I love sticky toffee pudding. I know if you've had that. - Oh, I love sticky toffee pudding. - It's my favorite dessert of all time. And I hate that I can never get it outside of UK. Well, maybe in America, but maybe-

- You can get it in America, yeah. - But I never, at least whenever I go back to the UK, it's immediately go to a, no, not that, not that. Not bread and butter pudding. That's like the- - Butter. - Bring it back, dude. It's so good. It's like a brownie drizzled with toffee sauce and ice cream. That's always warm. It's so good. - Oh man.

- Oh, I get it every time. I get it every time. - Not lacking in the brown department. - It's tasty brown. - Sometimes the brown carries. - Look, when it's dessert, brown, come on, back off, bro. - It's like brown and off-white. - It's just 'cause people post pictures of their Chinese meals in the UK, like we saw, and it's like, why is there so many chips?

- The Chinese chips, the staple. - Yeah, I remember I used to go to the local Chinese shop in Wales and just the only thing that they had was like sweet and sour, but I used to go during lunch and I would take like my one pound coin and they would just make soy sauce noodles. And I guess that's like, like I don't even know if that's a thing. - Soy sauce noodles? - They would just cook noodles and like in soy sauce, like yakisoba, and that was just it. Oh yeah, just British, this is British Chinese food.

- It's a fucking travesty. - I mean, is this so much different than like American Chinese food back in the day? - It's American Chinese food's better than this. I will say I love traditional Chinese food, but I will absolutely fuck with American Chinese food. - What the fuck is that? - I like American Chinese food. - Yeah, it's a different thing. It's just a different thing. It's like Tex-Mex, you know, like Tex-Mex and Mexican is different. - What is that?

- That's not, that's- - You can't, like why can't British people- - It's the fucking true crime lighting as well. - Yeah. - But it's like the murder victim's last meal. - What is it with British people not being able to escape chips? - We just, I don't know, man. - I don't, yeah. - I mean, they're great, but- - We just need it with everything. - I think also it's like an, I know- - It's like Asians with this. - Growing up as well, I feel like there's an unwillingness to not like, with every meal, to let kids eat chips if they want it.

Like my mom would make a huge fucking stink about not giving me chips. I'd be like, but my other friends get chips. And they're like, you're not having fucking chips Connor. Get over it. - But I feel like chips, I feel like a lot of Asian restaurants in England, they have stopped serving chips. It used to be every Asian restaurant need to serve chips in some way, shape or form. - To be fair, when I was growing up,

- The local Chinese place didn't have chips. They had like, you know, the duck spring rolls and shit. It was like actually the stuff that I like. - That's actually like way more authentic. - You're excited to be like, can I just have 15 courses of ducks and the duck rolls? Those things are like where you put them in the, I don't know what it's called. - Peking duck? - Peking duck, yeah. - I'm like, can you just bring out 15 of those please? I'll just have 900 of this. - How much choice for Asian restaurants do you have growing up in Michigan?

Well, I was born in Minnesota, but I did grow up in Michigan mainly. I'd say it was like a decent amount, you know, like, you know, there were Korean. We, you know, lived in kind of like a Korean, a lot of Koreans. Yeah. We knew a lot of Korean people. So pretty good Korean restaurants. Like I went to school at Michigan State. Right. You know, they like a K barbecue place. Yeah. You know, places. It was not too bad. Because I remember in England, I didn't have my first Korean dish till I was 12.

- 20, I think. - Very slow to adopt. - Yeah, yeah, in England, Korean cuisine was wasn't a thing and then suddenly it just fucking exploded everywhere. - I think it's when the people realized that fried chicken was an option. They were like, "Oh, I love Korean food." Love that. - No, it's Korean barbecue first that really like blew up in England. - Korean fried chicken is really good though. - Yeah, I think it's best in the world.

- I would agree. - Yeah. - Just that double fry. - I just love the sauces, dude. - It's perfect texture with the double fry and the sauces as well. - There's one place here that does a garlic honey soy sauce seasoning and it's heavenly. It's the perfect mix of flavors. - You have to find me to get me away from like yangnyeom chicken, man.

destroy that shit. Yeah. So good. I want fried chicken now. Yeah, I want, I'm getting, I'm getting Korean food off this one. I realized I haven't had it in so long. Are there American foods you guys are like, what the fuck? Chicken and waffles. Yeah.

- Oh really? I'm not like blown away by it. - Yeah, I mean, I think it's just 'cause like- - I mean, there are a lot of American like- - It was like a little bit like overhyped, I think. - Yeah, I think that's a problem. - And I was like, my body was just really confused. I'm like, I'm having breakfast, lunch and dinner at the same time. - Going from like a full English breakfast to an American one is like-

- Very difficult. - Yeah. - 'Cause I think the American breakfast uses such low quality ingredients generally. - Yeah. - That it's really hard to wanna eat an American breakfast. I never, like the fry up ones. - Yeah. - The scrambled eggs, bacon, pancakes, which is weird that you would have that. - Yeah. - It's like a sweet. Why are you having that?

- Yeah, I don't like my pancakes with my breakfast or syrupy or anything sweet. - Like, you know, the UK gets clowned on rightfully so for a lot of things, but like the full English, you know, a lot of the times you have quite good sausages. It's very easy to get really high quality sausages in the UK and bacon is normally better. I don't really like the American bacon that much.

- What is it like? - Streaky bacon. - I think you guys call it like Canadian bacon or something. - Okay. - Whatever the- - The ones that you use? - Yeah, the real bacon. - Yeah, kind of like- - It's like way more meat. - Yeah. I do love streaky bacon though. It's that crisp. I love that. - Yeah, it is. - And the fattiness. I love that. - I like streaky. I prefer streaky bacon. - Yeah.

- Yeah, my thing with American, like proper American cuisine is that I can have it like once or twice and it's fucking orgasmic. And then after like two times, I'm like, I need something else. - Yeah, you kind of can't eat it all the time. - Yeah, yeah. - It's a bit much. - Which is fine when you're in like a major city like Los Angeles, New York or whatever. But fuck, when I go visit my wife in Wisconsin, I'm just like,

Like, please, please give me something other than cheese and meat. Oh my God, I love cheese curds, but more than once and I'm on the shitter for like two hours. - Give me one vegetable. - Yeah, actually give me one vegetable and a decently sized meal. Size down your meals, please. - This reminds me of this fucking, this TikTok that went viral online 'cause there was an American tourist in France who was like, "It's so hard to find vegetables in Europe."

And everyone was like, what are you talking about? You're American. - I went to the local butcher and I couldn't find it. - What? - Yeah, but I mean, I feel like Europeans and Americans are constantly battling each other over every minuscule thing always. But I mean, I like American food, but like you say, it can sometimes be a lot. I think American food is great.

- Because you don't have to think about the calories. And then when you're afterwards, you're like, was that really worth 9,000 calories? - Yes. - I don't know. - Always. - That's the American way. - Smoking like a true American. - What would you say is the most overrated cuisine? - Yeah, I don't think we know your answer. - Oh yeah, we didn't. - Overrated? - Overrated.

Did you guys say yours? - Oh yeah. I mean, there's one answer that I think- - All three of us. - We think we had this question on tour and one answer came up on tour. - What did we say?

- France. - Oh yeah, French. - French food. - Oh, I like French food. - I like it. It's just, there's a problem of dining with French food is often very cumbersome. It's a long process. It's normally small portions. It's very expensive. It's normally amazing. I think nobody doesn't like it. I think just the process of getting French food is normally the part people don't like.

- It's not like a burger. - Also, I think for most people, when they think of French food, they think of that one traumatizing experience when you're at a restaurant in Paris. - Oh my God. - And it's just like the worst customer service with the worst people. - Yeah, okay. - This food could be delicious, but it's so fucking overpriced and the people are shit.

- It's just so hard if you've gone to like Italy or something and everyone's so fucking chill and the food's amazing and they give you so much and it's, the vibe is a complete opposite. Obviously this is just Paris though. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - The outside of Paris is a lot, people are way nicer. - You know, mine might be German food. Like I like it. - Yeah. - It's good, but. - Nothing to rave about. - Yeah. - Like pork knuckle is just not,

- Not the best part of the pig. Well, let's just be honest here. I'm sorry Germans, but like there are better parts of the pig. And what are the way they cook potatoes? I do like it, but it comes with everything. And sauerkraut also comes with everything. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I know there are other German stuff too. - With that said though, if I had more German food, maybe I'd change my mind. But I don't know, I'm hard pressed to find one 'cause I generally will fuck with anything.

- Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, me too. - Yeah, yeah. - Even the one we're making, we're like, "Yeah, German food's overrated." It's like, I still fucking eat it and I love it. It's just, I think that- - I'm not gonna refuse to eat it. - No, we gotta shift this notion of British food being bad to the Germans. - Unfortunately, British people just love clowning on British people. And I don't think that's gonna go away. - Well, it probably doesn't help that British people clown on British people. - That's true. - Well, it's 'cause we mainly fucking eat Indian food.

- And the one thing that I hate about not being in the UK is that it is so hard to convince the group to eat Indian food. Someone will always be like, "I don't want Indian food." - Why? What's their reason? - I don't know. They'll be like, "It's too heavy." And I'm like, "Come on, man." - It's too heavy? - It's like Chinese food and Indian food. - Or we eat a chip buddy or whatever. - No, no, no, no, no. Not in the UK. This is outside of the UK. - Oh, outside of the UK. - In the UK, everyone will want to go for Indian food. - Okay, 'cause it's very popular there. - But over, especially in Japan, I feel like is where the food is quite light. Especially with Japanese people, they will never want to get Indian food.

- Oh, I see. - That's 'cause the taste is too strong. - You must know when you're out with a group, there's always like one or two people that are like, not Indian food. - Yeah, I mean, especially in Japan, they have a lighter palette over here. - It's either too heavy or too spicy. - I hear it too spicy a lot. - Yeah. - And Chinese food often, when I try to convince people, everyone has to be like ready for it. No one will wanna do Chinese food on a whim, I find.

- I might disagree. - Really? - Yeah, because like you can go to- - Only if it's like Xiaolongbao or something. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - But if you're like going like a- - If you go to like small dishes or whatever, or if it's like an all you can eat that's like dirt cheap and you'll still make, you get your money's worth if you get like four things, then it's fine. But like, yeah, with Indian, I definitely have that experience. - I've been meaning to go to that. There's one really expensive food buffet in Tokyo. I think it's like $70 or something for the buffet. I've been meaning to go. You should go as well.

- I would love to go, yeah. - I think it's just a bunch of fancy food all like from across the world. - Nice. - Just to kind of like a take on a Vegas buffet, I think. It'd be cool to see how- - Have you been to a Vegas buffet? - I have. - Connor's the only one, I think. - You've been, you've been. - I've been to so many. - Oh, actually, yeah. - I like Vegas buffets. - I mean- - I fuck with Vegas buffets, yeah. - I think it is like- - Yeah, the bacchanal. - Yeah, yeah.

- When you're at a Vegas buffet, there is that part of you that just wants to be that French guy that smokes and goes, "These Americans." It's like the most gluttonous, most American way to consume high quality food. - Yeah.

- You go to seafood station, king crab legs, oysters, bone marrow, you just pile it up, baby. - It is amazing, but it is objectively just the most gluttonous, gross display. - No, we're definitely like the villains in "The Hunger Games."

- It's great, it's great. - You're like a 14th century king. - I'm sitting there scratching my head being like, man, I've had fresh king crab. I know how much it's supposed to cost. How does the economy, the economics of this, how does it make sense? What's going on? Is all the people gambling funding this buffet? What's going on here? - Most likely, yeah. - It's also a lot of people, I feel like the average buffet goer- - Doesn't eat that much. - Doesn't eat that much and they also fill up on cheap shit.

Like, I feel like most people... They got, like, pizzas and... Yeah, it's like they're eating fucking, you know, yeah, like you said, like, or rolls or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you know, that's some amateur shit. Or you're like, no, you don't waste...

- Only high quality fish eat meat. - Just go like the good shit. Every now and then you can indulge in something. - You need a carb, you need a carb or something. - Yeah, you need a carb or something. But for the most part, and that's I think how they make their money. If they were all like me, like a row of someone's, they would be out of fucking business. - So you think when you charge the $70, you think you easily crushed the $70 that you paid for? - Oh yeah. Easy, yeah.

- That's fair, that's fair. - Well, yeah, because like what? Like a plate of king crab is probably like, you know, at least like 40, 50 bucks. - I mean, I've never been to a Vegas buffet, so the fact that they have king crab. - Oh dude, they got everything. - What the fuck? - Everything you can think of. - There's some that are like more than $100, I think, right? Or like near the 150 range. I think that are like even more.

- I think the buffet at the Wynn is like the most expensive one where it's like, yeah, it's like a hundred and something dollars per person. - God, I want to go to that chef. - But it's an insane amount of food. It's like you go, I remember the first time I went, I saw like the lineup. I was like, oh, that's a lot of food. And I realized, oh no, that was this. And there's this, this, this, and this. And that was including desserts. Like they'd have,

so much fucking food. - And what you think is the entire buffet is just like, just the pasta section. - Yeah. - I'm just waiting for the world to figure out a good breakfast buffet. I feel like there's just every hotel you go to, it's just the worst. - Well, you don't go to a hotel. - I know, I know, but I just wish there was like,

- I think in the Midwest, I've seen that there's like big breakfast buffets and different, but I don't know if you'd like it 'cause it's to the American. - Right, right, right. - Yeah, yeah. - A lot of sweet shit. - Yeah, I don't really have breakfast anyway a lot of the times. If I have a breakfast buffet, then I'm like, oh, I'm giving up lunch basically 'cause like you want to fill up. - That's true, that's true. I normally just do coffee for breakfast. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if there's one place I never make my money back, it's definitely the breakfast buffets.

'Cause it's like $30 sometimes. - Dude. - And you have like one or two plates at most. - It's so rare you get a breakfast buffet where you walk out, you're like, wow, that was really like worth it. I feel like. I've been to one or two that I really liked in Europe.

- In Europe? - Yeah. - It was in Europe. - It has to be in Europe. - It's because of the sausages, right? - No, I went to one that had like just every single bread in existence, every type of fish that they'd served with like a carpaccio style. They had like a raw honeycomb, like just straight up, you would rip, you would like break up the honeycomb and put it on your bread. - That sounds fucking good.

that was just the buffet and they had like every kind of meat, like the salami, the prosciutto. - The cold cuts, yeah. - They had like 15 different types of granola. They had a whole alcohol bar. I don't know why.

- They had literally everything you could possibly want fresh in the morning if you were a European person. And then on top of that, when you sit down, you get a main that you get to order. Like something like, that we would make. So I ordered like the salmon eggs Benedict that was like phenomenal. - That's my go-to. - It was like, and then they're like, you know,

They have like every kind of juice you'd ever want for every type of hangover. It's like, oh, we have a wine hangover cure. No, then this one's the beer hangover cure. No, no. That's how you know you're in Europe. Yeah, yeah. Which one was your main poison? Because Belgium, you're like, I'll have like three beers. And you're like, oh, I've had 19% beers. I'm fucked. That's so good. Have you been around Europe much? No, I've only been to, I think, only Ireland. Dude.

Oh, shit. Sleeping on the European food. I thought it was great. I really enjoyed myself. I went there for a convention and had a great time. I would love to do more of Europe, though. Yeah. Like, just go through all... What's, like, your bucket list European country you want to go to? If you had to pick one to go to right now. If I had to pick one? Yeah. Probably Italy. It's so good. It's so good. But, like, I'd love to go, you know, France, you know, UK, you know, Germany. Yeah, I'd love to just go... What, you've never been to UK? No. No.

- Yeah. - That'd be so funny. - That'd be so funny. - I just love to watch you be like, "What is this slop?" - "You made this, take it back." - It's another brown plate. - Too much brown. - "You think this is food?" - I love your impression. - I can't, I can't do it. 'Cause if I try you, I'll sound like Markiplier. - Do it.

Do an impression of me right now. Do an impression of me right now. Do an impression of me right now. Do an impression of me. You're playing the board game wrong. You should kill yourself. I'm going to do my impression of your impression of me. We just keep going lower. This is turning into a game of voice telephones.

- Okay, now do an impression of this voice. - Tell me why you hate Bochy. - We're turning into a different YouTuber. - I will castrate you if you don't like Bochy. - He's getting low, it just sounds like soft Sonic. - I can't go as low as you. - It just gets picked up by submarines. - Damn it. - And now.

- You do you, I'll do my impression of you and then you do your impression of me of you. - Wait, wait, see I'm- - Do your regular voice. - Okay, so this is my regular voice. - This is my regular voice. - And this is your impression of me. - I think you can go deeper than me, so I don't think I can top you. - Really? I think your voice could probably go deeper than mine. - Really? - I don't know. - Well, the real question is which one of you can go higher? - Oh, I can't go high at all.

- What's the highest voice you can do? - Oh, I suppose I can sing. Oh, jeez, I think so, yes, I am. - Can you go up here? - Hey, that's pretty good. - Yeah, that's pretty good. It's hard 'cause like certain times, you know, I'll do, I'm sure you can sympathize with this when you're doing like voice acting and they're like, "Can we go a little bit higher?" You're like, "No, we physically cannot go higher. This is my, we are reaching-" - Can you get much higher? - Can you get much higher?

- No, 'cause I remember we did the, oh, you voiced for Honkai. And I remember at the time, 'cause it was, we'd not gone in through being talented voice actors. We'd gone in 'cause we were doing like a YouTube promotion. - 'Cause we're filthy YouTubers. - But you played characters in the game, right? - NPCs. - Some NPCs. - Oh yeah, we get killed. - So they'd basically just be like, oh, we have three scrap characters, here you go. Yes, you do this one, you do this one. And then they, you know, I did my voice and they were like, ah, actually he's 21.

I was like, well, I just, well, I mean, I think this is not a me issue. This is a- - It's a costly issue. - Well, anyway, you know. So then I eventually got to a high enough place, but it was like, I was like,

- Yes. - Yes, I think so. - I was pushing into the letter. - So your character was in their 20s. What did the voice sound like? - It's like, oh yes, sir, I really do want to. - Like Connor's rendition of Oliver Twist. - Please, sir. - And I kept getting higher and higher. I was like, can we get a little higher?

- No, we can't. - But it was good fun though. I appreciate they even let us do anything. - Yeah. - How was your acting experience for the first time? Was it your first time? - I've been in a bunch of stuff. - It was my first time. - Okay, okay. - It was great. I can only do one voice, that is my voice. - Sure. - You just don't know how to do other voices yet, but you can do other voices.

- Let's do an acting workshop. - You gotta start right now. Just start by like impersonating stuff. - Well, I voiced like a few side characters on Mashal and Alex Lee really fucking, he coached me like really well. And that's kind of when I realized, oh, directors, they do a lot. - Sure, yeah.

'Cause I'm pretty happy with the performance I did on "Mash-Ul" which was like just a few lines, but- - And that was for the dub. - That's for the dub. And I don't think I could have got that without Alex just being my hype man and just telling me exactly what I need to do.

'Cause I think the hardest part was knowing, having to act, but also having to hit the beats of like the voice flaps as well. There's like so many things to juggle around. - Dubbing is, yeah, especially for your first time. - Yeah, it's tough. - It's tough, yeah, for sure.

And I was having like five different people like just looking at you when you're performing that. That was just a lot of pressure for me. - The judging stage. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a fun experience, but I'm not really a voice actor, I think. I think it's fun, but that's a lot of pressure. I'd much rather be on the other side of things, just directing. - The production side. - The production side of things. - Gotcha, gotcha. - I mean, you've been doing more and more as- - Your resume is crazy. - Oh, I watched "Blackberry."

Oh, what'd you think? I loved it. Were you jump scared when I appeared on screen? No, no, I knew you were in it. So I was waiting for you to appear and I was like, oh wow, they, yeah, you, you just like, all right, I'm gonna turn up and be a song one. Yeah, it was kind of funny. Like, I think I originally,

- So this is a movie about the Blackberry phones. - All right. - And it's phenomenal movie. It's so good. - It's a great movie. - Who's the main actor again? I forgot his name. - It's Jay Baruchel and then Glenn Howerton. - Glenn Howerton for "Sony". - They're the two leads in it. - So good. - It's a great movie. Like, and I do play like a part in it.

what was funny is I went in to play that because he just asked me to do it and I kind of started like you know doing something a little different from me and he was like no no I want it to be kind of like how you are so the movie is very much like extremely even more just less energy than this just like

you know, very serious, right? Do you play like a software engineer? Yeah, yeah. Being poached from Google or something? Yeah. And like my scene has Michael Ironside like, you know, yelling at me like, you know, you get to work or whatever and I just like stoically like, you know, scared. But it was fun. Like, you know, it's, yeah, it got like a crazy, oh, there I am right there.

Uh, it got, it got like a crazy good Rotten Tomatoes score. It's really, really good. And it's a legit, it's really funny too. Yeah, it's very good. Matt Johnson who directed it. I don't know if you guys are familiar with Nirvana, the band, the show. You know what that is? You ever see, uh,

Anyway, he's really talented and really funny and he's also, he's in it as well and it was just a great, great experience. I watched it on a plane and it was like start to finish was very captivating. It was genuinely a really good film. I highly recommend it. And it was also fun just seeing just the absolute shit show that was Blackberry. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Damn it.

- How was it acting on "God of War: Ragnarok?" Did you have to like go in and- Was that just your voice or did you have to do mocap for that as well? - I didn't mocap for that, yeah. - Oh shit, what was that like? If you're allowed to talk about it. - Yeah, just- - But you were a squirrel, right? - Yeah. - Yeah. It was interesting, I had to like mime his motions while watching them separately. Like I was on stage, but watching them use a puppet.

Oh, okay. And that was an interesting experience for sure. And then live action is live action. Mocap are both like, I'm very not nervous when it comes to VO. Right. Like I have no, no fear when I go in cause I've done it so much before.

live action and mocap i'm definitely nervous for sure but i think what i do is i just super overly prep just like i know my lines cold like i know it like back and forth like you know front to back right and then i've sort of realized oh not every actor does that right sometimes you're like oh they just sing it sometimes they just well it's more so they're like oh someone didn't

memorize all their lines. And it's like, okay, so if I just memorize my lines well enough where I'm like, all right, I'm good. I'm not going to fuck things up because I just don't want to fuck anything up. Yeah. I think that's the biggest difference is

- Line memorizing is... - Yeah, that does seem like the most tedious part. I guess if you didn't have too many lines, it's not so bad. But if you had a really dialogue heavy thing, I imagine it'd be really stressful. - In this movie, there is a scene, I don't know if you remember, we're in the diner. - Yeah, I remember the diner scene. - Where I have to talk about all these technical terms. That one was a little bit challenging. I had to memorize all these things or whatever. - That's true. - Yeah, you don't have to remember anything in voiceover. - Yeah, how long does it take you to typically memorize lines?

It depends on the scene. I did Anime Crimes Division. Oh, yeah. A bunch of your own live action. Yeah, and I had a lot of dialogue. And my first scene was extreme. It's a huge monologue. I had to go over that over and over and over again before shooting. And that was my first time ever doing live action, so that was very scary. But it doesn't take... I think usually...

maybe like depending on the scene couple of you know like an hour or something and then you just keep doing it right you try to do it so often that becomes almost second nature right that's usually you know you don't want it to sound like you're reciting something yeah yeah so um yeah usually on something like this like blackberry uh you know the night before i'm i'm running the lines and then you know if when you're in your trailer i'm also just

running lines running lanes yeah because i'm not a big enough name to be like i don't fucking care i'll just walk in and not memorize my lines like you know i'm like a marlon brando exactly like i mean yeah you know about that some people some actors like get fed their lines through an earpiece or whatever uh for me i'm like i just want i just don't want to fuck anything up i just want to do a good job so i just am always running it running well i'm sure like actors at this point have done like you know 30 50 movies just like ah whatever i'll just

I'll just ask for a line on set, but I don't want to be that guy. You know, I, I want to probably not get to start. Yeah. And for me, I feel like I'll never be that way. You know, I just, that's the sort of mentality of like, I want to do a good job. I want to, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So yeah, it was, it was cool. And I've been lucky that this stuff I have worked on has been like really nice people. Like,

I did this, I did anime crimes vision. And I like, I did a very brief like appearance in a sitcom. And that was also fun. So I, I always enjoyed doing it. Um, even though it is kind of intimidating, uh, it's fun. It's a very different type of acting, which I enjoy. Would you say you would like to get more into like the whole live, you know, live action, uh, acting a little bit more? Oh yeah, sure. I mean, I still will audition for stuff here and there. It's just a matter of,

If I get cast, right? Right, right, right. I think VO has been going quite well. Yeah, you've been crushing it. Yeah, but live action, I'm not really like a known entity in that space. Right. But I do really like the energy of being on a set. And a lot of VO these days is very solitary. Yeah. Even cartoons now...

You don't record with people very often. But pre-COVID, you used to do group records and stuff, which was really fun. Post-COVID, I think the only one I've done...

I'm on a show called Bat Wheels. And I got to actually record with Tom Kenny, if you know who Tom Kenny is. Like SpongeBob and stuff like that. Because his character, he's like the henchman to my villain character. And so that was like one of the very few... That must have been sick. It was great. One of the very few times post-COVID where I've gotten to work with another actor in the booth. Oh, fuck yeah. So I wish it was... And I hear it's coming back a bit.

But the problem is... Well, not problem, but since a lot of cartoons have a lot of celebrities now in the cast, because they're so busy, you, like, don't... You can't schedule, like... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or whatever. So... But, you know, it's...

when I do get the chance to work with other actors face to face, it is a rare, but fun. It does add to the dynamic quite a bit. - Yeah. Did you have to take any acting classes for like, kind of like live action roles as opposed to like voice acting roles?

I've never taken an acting class. Oh shit. I'm not trying to brag with that. Yeah. No, I mean my, my acting practice was my, I maybe, maybe I talked about this last time, but I made a Tumblr back in the day. Yeah. And I just drilled, I just was just posting audio stuff. All that shit's practice. Yeah. All of it. All of it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's, I think that's how a lot of people, you know, I guess in,

generation of like voice actors got into it. It was like just posting shit online. Posting shit online. Because most of the voice actors nowadays that are doing all the anime are the ones that were just posting shit on YouTube. Posting shit online. Fan dubs, comic dubs. Yeah. All that shit. Yeah. Especially our generation. Yeah. Like we a lot of our generation were fans of the stuff and got into it. You know.

- I mean, it's weird to see how the industry has changed. 'Cause I remember before there was talk where like, you know, if you wanna get in the industry, you can't do fan dubs because that will be- - Well, because I think for a long time it was like, oh, there were just actors who were in a certain area who weren't doing any live action stuff. They were like, oh, I'll try the voiceover. - Yeah, and now just seeing the names doing it, a lot of people did.

seem to get that start doing this kind of practice, doing this kind of thing. Yeah. Well, I think the backlash against fandoms was people, you know, the company just being protective of the property or whatever. But I'm kind of with you in that these days, practice is practice, right? Like doing...

Like, there's a pretty notable casting director, Sarah Sherman. She does a lot of cartoon casting and directing. And she, I think, tweeted, like, yeah, sometimes, like, people just... A production will see, like, a person on TikTok who's very talented and, like, go, oh, we should get that person to do a voice. Like, because...

And I'm not talking about people who are just getting cast because of virality. I'm talking about people who like, you know, they act in their videos, right? They act in their TikToks. They showcase, they can play these different types of characters. So they're passionate about it. Yeah. And that, that to me is like, yeah, it's not any different than like when people see, like back in the day, people would see stuff at a standup show. Like, Oh, that guy's really funny. We should cast him in this cartoon or on a stage play. Oh, that, that person's really good. We should cast them.

TikToks and YouTube and stuff. It's just a different form of it. I still think people do look down on it, which is baffling to me. Yeah. Because I think acting is acting. Like a good actor is a good actor. And I think some of it comes from some of the old guard might be like fucking YouTubers, YouTubers, YouTubers or whatever. But I think good acting is good acting. Yeah. I think your work speaks for itself. Yeah. Like if you are a little stiff or not that good, yeah.

it'll show but if you show that you're passionate about it and or trying to improve or you know you'll yeah the work will speak for itself do you ever get like you know look down on like criticism because you are like a youtuber uh beforehand by by like fans or by production uh either one both yeah i don't think fans i don't really get that comment much right i think because i think

I think my work speaks for itself. - Yeah, totally. - I don't know if you guys have ever seen or played anything I'm in. - Yeah, we've literally played "Grambly" with you. - Oh, yeah. - We played as your character. - Well, I think it's, I have seen it once or twice where maybe a YouTuber is getting into all the voiceover and then there is a lot of pushback of like- - Oh, he's just another YouTuber. - Yeah.

- For the production side, I forget if I talked about this last time. I think there's only one time I was recast in something. - I think you did say about this, right? - But I don't think I said what it was and I will continue to not say what it was. - Yeah, that's fine. - But that was like one time and also,

That was shit anyway. But you guys will never know what I'm talking about. But yeah, that was like the one time. I think sometimes people have a preconception of like, well, actually, no, I think sometimes people just don't even know I do YouTube. I think they find out after. Right.

- Oh, okay. - Because sometimes like they don't know who I am. I go into the booth and then afterwards I'll hear, oh, I didn't know you had like a YouTube channel or whatever. So I would prefer to not be known. - Yeah, I think as well, like your resume in the actual voice acting and now acting world is just like piling up now so much so that like think that's become the first thing that people see anyway. - You've done insanely well. - It is something that I think there's definitely a shift. Yeah, I think as my YouTube presence

Cause it is, I'm definitely like slowly kind of just through the natural state of things, kind of stepping away from it. Yeah. Yeah.

but voiceover is still going very strong yeah so i think there is a you know when people come up to me now like let's say oh i'm a fan or whatever it is kind of more leaning towards like oh i love like delicious and dungeon or something i love this or that i mean there's so obviously plenty of people who still love the youtube stuff or whatever but it's usually people like oh i watched you like 10 years ago i'm like 10 years ago i'm crumbling to dust in front of you

- Oh, I grew up watching you. I was a kid. I'm like. - Those are the worst words. Like I was 11 years old when I started watching it. I'm in college now. - Been on for too long. But I mean, for your YouTube, it always felt like you just did whatever you wanted to do. You didn't care about the algorithm too much. - Right. And it's still been that way probably to its detriment, but.

- I mean, look, you got something that's working. You don't need a map. - Yeah, yeah. - You could always come back to it if you were like, "I wanna become a YouTuber and do this, make it work." - If I wanted to do that, that'll never happen. - What I'm saying is that you have the ability if you were like, "I'll just fucking do it." - It's an option if you wanna take it. - Basically my YouTube is just like, if I wanna post a video, yeah, it's probably really treated, yeah. - Yeah.

I know nowadays the landscape is very different and very difficult. It's not just me. A lot of people I can see the views are going down and the retention is not there or whatever. It's interesting. I guess I'm thankful that

it was never my big priority. And that VO, like if VO wasn't going well, then I'd be pretty bummed. But I think luckily it's been going quite well. So, and that's kind of my main focus. And honestly, it's because I've been doing that. I don't really have time to do. - You still have to do like a lot of conventions as well. I know a lot of voice actors need to do the convention scene quite a lot.

I like doing them, actually. So for me, it's not an obligation. I do quite a... It's been starting to pick up quite a bit. I think, like...

Pre-COVID, I was doing maybe 10 to 12 a year. Right. And then now it's starting to, like... I think last year, it started to really pick up again. So I've got, like... Yeah, probably, like, one a month or so. But I think... That sounds intense. It's intense, but I like traveling. Okay. And I like hanging out with other guests. Yeah, yeah. And also, I...

This sounds cheesy, but meeting the fans is great. Oh, for sure. Yeah, for sure. Because when you're not, you know, sometimes, especially in the state of the internet these days, you only focus on the negative comments. Of course, right? And you're like, God, just... But then you, like, when you meet people face-to-face and you're like... Yeah, it's very different. It's like, wow, okay, yeah. Oh, yeah, people like me. There are real people. Well, it's not even that. It's just there are real people out there that are, you know, connecting with this stuff. Like, it's not just a wall of...

anonymous, just, you know. - Yeah, we'd love zoo conventions if they were closer, but we need to get like a minimum 12 hour flight to get to them.

- Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - And then it's like a whole different thing. So you're like, well, I'd rather just go on vacation if I'm traveling 12 hours. - Yeah. - If it was like US, it was like what? Like maybe like what? Three, four hour flights, six tops. It's like, okay, at least I can do that in one day and still do stuff that day. - Right, right. - Not great stuff, but you still do stuff. Especially if it's like three hour flight, that'd be amazing. 'Cause you could leave like Sunday evening and be back.

You're in bed Sunday night. I would love that. - Yeah, yeah. Time zones can be a little annoying though, but other than that, it's nuts. I mean, not compared to what you guys have to deal with. - That's why we haven't done many conventions. - Yeah. - Flights are expensive. - 'Cause it's always a massive commitment for us. - Yeah. - What do you guys mainly just like anime expo?

Yeah. Pretty much. Anime Expo. Yeah. You know, and it's unfair to be, you know, obviously conventions, hopefully there may be some of the monitors, but we're like, hey, look, it's far away. Yeah. Expensive. You know, it takes a lot of time. So it's, it doesn't always line up as well. Yeah. Hmm.

- And you know, as you know, since you have VO as like YouTubers, like for me, if I go travel, it always takes me like a few days just to like readjust back into like the time zone, back to my schedule. And that's like, that was like a real kick for me.

- So even if the convention is only for like a weekend, like realistically it's like a week. - Yeah. - Right. - I gotta pee up and I'll be in for so long. - All right, well Connor has got to pee, but thank you very much, Sean Won for coming back. I hope this has been a more pleasant experience than last time. - Or are we actually wrapping it up? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - We're at the point in "Trash Taste" now where if one of us leaves, we just keep going. It's like whatever.

But yeah, thanks for coming on. - I don't need for him to come back. - He'll be back before the screen ends. - Do you need to have this done by a certain time? - No, we just- - Then hold on. Listen, he doesn't watch any anime. Real quick, anime hot takes. What are you watching?

- I'm not watching much dog. I'm watching Dandedon, that's about it. - Okay, I've heard good things. - I think this is my, I don't know even if this is a hot take or if I just wanna- - Just want to stir shit. - It just gets over clowned on. But I think the newest season of My Hero Academia is pretty fucking good. And I know it's like- - What season is this? - Season seven. - I've only seen up to four. - Yeah, so a lot of people dropped My Hero Academia season four and five.

because they were, you know. - Dude, I watched one. - You watched one? - I watched season one and I was like, "Oh, I'm good." - And I think season seven has been like close to peak "My Hero Academia" back in the day. And I was like, "Holy shit, not many people are talking about this." "Hot Take," I think this year is a little bit weaker in terms of like anime compared to previous years.

I think there- Do you still watch much? I watch a lot. Okay, so you've kind of slowed down. Yeah, I've definitely slowed down. I'm watching like maybe three or four shows a year. Yeah. Okay. I think right now,

Previous years, there've been like three or four fucking amazing 10 out of 10 shows. - What are those? - Sorry? - What are those? - Stuff like Vinland Saga season two. - Yeah, it was really good. You read the manga? - Yeah, I read the manga for that as well. I mean, last year we also had a free run as well. I suppose this year we also had free run, but I count it as a 2023 show. Apothecary Diaries was last year as well. - I love Apothecary Diaries. - Which is fucking amazing. - What did I miss?

- We'll wrap up soon, but I gotta just get a little more anime. We did board games, we did food, we did- - I can talk about anime for- - I'll just do a quick rundown. Did you watch Pluto? - Yes, I watched Pluto. - I loved Pluto. - Yeah, Pluto last year as well. - It was amazing. - It was fucking amazing. - I loved Pluto.

- Some of the references felt very dated watching it. - Oh yeah. - Well, it was also from a manga from 2008. - I know, but you feel like it's from 2008 when you're watching it. Like we should invade Iraq, what? - We're doing a Middle Eastern country for what? - They have weapons of mass destruction? That was very good though. It was very, very good. - This year, I do think Dungeon Mesh has been one of the standout this year. But in terms of like true, true standouts,

- I think fall season just starting. So there's not been too, you know, it remains to be seen how much Dan to Dan will pop off and how, what else is this season as well? - If the manga has anything to go off of, then I have high hopes. It's like science Sauron, the manga is fucking amazing right now. So I'm just praying. - Yeah. - They stick the landing. - I think this year has been a lot of,

good anime, but not as many great anime, fucking amazing anime. - Manga wise, I'm reading through "Promised Neverland" for the first time. - How far are you? - Whoa, whoa, whoa, what does that mean? - Yeah, how far are you? - I'm maybe 40 chapters from the end. - Okay. - Okay. - What's your opinion?

- I like it. Is there something I should be aware of? - I was not a fan of the last few arcs of "Promise Neverland" manga. - Are you talking past the Goldy Pond or whatever? Or you don't like Goldy Pond? - Goldy Pond was great. And then past Goldy Pond, there were a few arcs that I was okay with, but like the closer it got to the ending, the more and more things that bothered me about it. And so by the end I was like,

- Okay, maybe we'll have a discussion later when I finish. I'm like, it's not bothering me, but I'm also, did you read it like week to week or like? - No, no, no. - You binged it? - I binged it as well. And so I don't know what the week to week was like,

- For like, without spoiling anything, just it got to a point where I thought everything just suddenly got way too clean for the world that he had set up. And it just felt more and more Shonin-y right up until the end. - I see. - Yeah. And well, I'll wait for you to finish. - Sure, sure, sure. - But that I, yeah. - You boys reading Akane Banashi?

- I have read the first volume. - Yeah, I've read the first two volumes. - Fucking love Akane. - Oh, it's such a good manga. I can't wait for the anime adaptation. - What is this about? - Is there an anime adaptation? - I'm going to assume there is for you. I'm going to assume there is because every Shonen Jump hits very hard. - It's Shonen Jump, do you know Rakugo? - Yeah. - Yeah, it's basically- - Shonen Rakugo. - Shonen Rakugo. - Oh, cool.

- It's great. - It's very good. - Yeah, yeah. - Did you watch Showa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu? - Hell yeah, dog. - That's fucking- - So good. - How about you, Connor? - No, I watched it. No, no, no, no. - Did Rakugo Manga just pop off? - Yeah. - Yeah. Akane Mana, she's like an old timer. It's really fucking good. - Yeah, I've heard it's like really popping off now as well. - I saw Gachapon Machine, I was psyched. I pulled a good Akane from it.

- Yeah, I'm just waiting for this to get to an anime adaptation 'cause- - It's going to. - Yeah, it's going to. - Is there a lot of Rakugo fans in Japan? - Oh, very much so, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - It's actually more and more, it's kind of like Sumo now where like the younger and younger generations are getting into it. - Yeah. - And they're kind of like rediscovering it, I guess, from like the older generations. Yeah, but it's good. I've read one volume and it's, I'm like, yeah, I definitely want to continue reading this one.

- Yeah, for manga this year has been pretty fucking good I thought. Especially 'cause we did a manga awards thing of like all the like the next big manga and it was like a banger list. - There's so many bangers. - Oh, you see did a manga, did you do an anime awards too?

- No. - I feel like the manga, mangas always feel more promising. 'Cause you know, there's always so many new ones on the horizon. - Yeah, it's just more exciting. - When they kind of get into the- - What was in your tops for manga awards?

- Centuria was amazing. - Yeah, that's a new Sane and Marga. - It's written by a guy who used to be an assistant to Fujimoto. - Oh, okay. - So, I mean like for some reason all of Fujimoto's assistants just come out with bangers. There's like Dandodon as well, that author is also Fujimoto assistant. - Obviously this became a meme, but.

- Kagura Bachi? - Kagura Bachi is actually good. - It's actually so good. - It's actually really good. - Kagura, what is it? - Kagura Bachi. - Kagura Bachi, you've definitely seen the meme of it. - Yeah, yeah. - Hey, look up Kagura Bachi. - Show me Kagura Bachi. - If you just type in Kagura Bachi, the image should show up. - Yeah, Kagura Bachi. You've definitely seen this.

- That fucking, that panel. - Yeah. - What's the meme? - I guess it was just like generic Shonen was the meme. - The meme was that they had released, the author had like released- - Someone was just telling me about this. - Yeah, the author or something had released like just a picture of the main character. And people on Twitter or just online were like, "This is the greatest manga to be ever created," before it even came out.

So much so that the author was like, "Wow, people online are really looking forward to my manga. That warms my heart up." And then when it actually came out and- - I hear it's legit good. - It's legitimately good. - Yeah, yeah. He got clowned on a lot because it became a meme and the first few chapters came out and it's like, it starts off like your typical Shonen. So everyone was like really memeing up being like, "Yo, two chapters in, already goaded manga of all time." And then it continued.

- Where it might be. - And now it's like 50 chapters in and- - It's like, hang on, he's cooking. - And genuinely it is one of the most promising new Shonen Jump titles for a while.

- I'm like so off the Shonen train. I should- - Off the Shonen train? - 'Cause I missed out on demons. I haven't read or watched Demon Slayer, Jujutsu Kaisen. I obviously keep up with One Piece, but that's the only one I like. - Did you see the One Piece fan letter? - No, I'm gonna watch it when I get back. - Holy shit, that is a fucking masterpiece. - Don't tell me what it is, 'cause everyone's been telling me to watch it. So when I get back home, I'm gonna watch it finally. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

- It's only like a single episode. You should watch it Joey. It's a complete anime original. - Okay. - Oh shit, okay, interesting. Yeah, they won't be like only one I keep up with, but. - Yeah, are you watching anything new recently? - Gintama like I mentioned. - Oh, you're gonna be on that train for a while. - Right now, it's like I'm watching- - You work, right? - No. - Like Gintama plus board games twice a week?

- And you read manga and Wampies? You must sleep two hours. There's no way. - I do stay up really late. So for you, in a typical day, how much percent of that is work? 'Cause imagine you boys are pretty busy.

- Quite a lot as well. - Yeah, I'd say 70. - 70%. - 'Cause of what's like recording stuff like this and filming your own shit. - Depends on the day, but it's probably like 15. - Even when I went to the toilet, I saw my phone, there's like 15 messages where they were like, "We need an answer on this." I'm like, "Oh fuck." - Gotcha. - Gotta deal with that after this.

Yeah, I don't do any of that shit. I do VO and VO is, you know, like sometimes four hours or whatever or something if you have two, you know. I mean, a VO can get busy like depending on the day. Yeah. But my YouTube is just the bare minimum, just low effort fucking garbage. Like I don't have a setup. Like I've used my phone to film.

- I mean, I obviously play a lot of video games, but I stream that. But I like, like for me, I find it weird now when I play games not streaming it. I don't enjoy it as much. - You like the social aspect of it. - Yeah, I like the social aspect of it. - I need a separation. There are some stream games. Like when I watch anime, I need to like separate watching anime for work versus watching the shows I actually wanna watch. - Have you seen "Shaofuru"?

- Yes, I've seen a little bit of that. I know you fucking- - It's like your all time favorite, right? - Yeah, that's your all time favorite. - Have you seen it? Love it. - You've seen all of it? - Yeah. - The real sports anime, right? - Have you seen it? Of course not. - You should, it's great.

- Yeah, I was maybe considering watching it five years ago. - Definitely out of this year, I think my biggest recommendation for you is "Girls Band Cry." - Oh, okay. - It's written, I kind of realized this delving into the screenwriter, so it's an anime original. Unfortunately, it didn't get licensed for a very long time, but it's from the same screenwriter as "A Place Further Than the Universe." - Oh, Juki Hanada? - Yeah. - Have you watched "Love Live Sunshine?" - I have not. - Dude.

- Same writer. - You are not gonna sell me a "Love Live Sunshine." - No, bro. - Come on. - Fuck! - Don't bring that stuff here. - "Love Live Sunshine" rips, dog. Are you kidding? - Oh shit. - Yeah, I'm telling you. - People tell me no! - You have been affected by the game. I saw you were addicted to that game. You have been killed. - I don't even need the game. The anime is even better. Listen. - How did you get into the anime? - Not the game, yeah. - Okay.

- Love Live Sunshine. - Okay, fuck. - Okay. - Love Live fans are like, "We did it, we found our in." - Isn't it Chukianada? - I'm not sure, 'cause they did- - Chukianada did, I thought maybe- - They did Hibike Euphonium as well. - Yeah, same guy. - Okay, okay. - Steins Gate, Hibike Euphonium, and listen, Love Live Sunshine.

- And love, it is written by the same guy. - Oh my God. - I'm telling you fucking coward. - Shit. - Dude, I'm telling you it's legit. - So gone, you're gonna be the sacrificial sheep for trash tape. - Listen, I know you don't watch anime anymore. - I don't fuck with your shit. - And you don't watch anything. - Wait, I think I've watched one episode of this. - Yeah? - I did not like it. - Did you watch it out of order or some shit? Listen. - No.

I watched it and I didn't like it. - Give it a shot. - Fuck, I do really like his works. - He did the first "Love Live" show, "Love Live Sunshine" and "Love Live Superstar."

- Sunshine. - You're not doing this to me. - It hits, dog. It fucking hits. - Fuck, you're not doing this to me. - Hey, look at me in the eyes. Give it a shot. - I think I need to if he wrote it, man. - Yeah. - I don't think there's a single thing he's written. - You don't have to, dog. Don't listen to him. - I don't think there's a single thing he's written that I don't like, which is the problem. - Watch it. - And "Girls' Man Cry" is like one of my favorite this year's. - Okay.

- I'll watch "Girls' Man Cry." You watch "Love Live Sunshine." - He was gonna eventually get ran to anyway. Don't watch this show. - Why? - Don't join them. - What's wrong with it? Have you seen it? Have you seen one episode? - I've seen one episode. - What happened in it? - I don't remember. There were seven girls that I didn't know.

I'm not even listening to this. - You have a bias. - I do have a bias. Extremely so. Against this. - We do have a bias. - I feel like I can serve. - Against women? - Well, if we're going to air someone, yes, I do. - I just think they should not be dancing and singing. They should be learning useful skills like sewing and cooking and cleaning the house. - For those watching, Love Live Sunshine.

- It's great, I'm telling you. - I don't want to hear any more of this. - It's a legit good show. - All right. - Thank you so much for joining us. - Is this conversation a canon event? I feel like I'm gonna look back at this conversation and like- - You're gonna look back five years from now and be like, "Thank you, someone." - I'm like, "This is a canon event." - Thank you for introducing me. - Yeah, people are gonna look back and like timestamp being like, "This is the moment where Garnt turned into an idol, man." - We had him on like, you know the two paths of evil? We have Elden Ring and then the fucking love life and Garnt goes, "Oh, I'll go love life."

- I'll see you in love life hell man. - Thank you so much for joining us. - Hey, patrons, they're on the screen right now. They support the show. Go check out someone's stuff. Of course, links in the description. And hey, sure. - Anything you wanna shout out? - What do you wanna shout out?

- Go watch Blackberry. - Go watch Blackberry. - Go watch Delicious in Dungeon. - Yes. - Go watch ProCD, whatever. - Yeah. - All right. - Awesome, awesome. - All right, hey, also if you support us on the Patreon, then every single week we do Patreon exclusive content and we have one for you right after this one. But hey, if you wanna check that out and support the show in the process, head on over to patreon.com/trashtaste. Also follow us on Twitter, send us some memes on the subreddit, and if you hate our face, listen to us on Spotify.

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