THE FUTURE SUCKS | Trash Taste #164
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- Welcome back to a, my throat is ruined.

- Welcome back to another episode of the Trash Taste Podcast. I'm Connor featuring the boys, Joey and Garnt. - Hi. It's pretty hot here today. - What are you, why are you doing this? - I don't know. - Japanese summer is full effect. - That's my thing. Japanese summer is coming and- - What do you mean coming? It's here. - Okay, it is here. - It's fucked, it's gross. - It's not as bad right now. It's just humid, that's all. - That's the bad part. The part I don't like. - Yeah, I mean, like I just came back from America. Just came back from, I guess,

the West coast again, once again, because I figured out this year, I was like, I remember at the start of this year, I said to myself, I'm going to travel less to America the next year. And I think I figured it out now, I'm traveling to America now.

- Four months, five months in a row, I think. - Wait, wait, wait. - You're such a tsundere for America. - I am, I am. - 'Cause you went in May, March. - When did we go to Hawaii again? - March. - For Hawaii, on March. Went in April. - What'd you go for April? - I swear we went in April, right? - Did we? - No, we went to Australia in April. - Okay, no, okay, shit. Wait, did I just mistake America for Australia? - Oh my God.

- Oh, I'm gonna, I'm sorry. - He's declared war on Australia. - I've been to America a bunch. I went in February, March, and now I'm going in June. - I'm the only real hater. I've only been once. - Well, Joey, to be fair, I would be in the same position. - I've been everywhere else. - Yeah, I would be in the same position because,

- You know, every time you go to America, you get stopped and questioned and you get treated like a terrorist sometimes. - I get treated like an animal and I hate it. So no thank you for me. - But you know what? I'm gonna say something controversial. I'm gonna say something controversial. - Go on then. - I enjoyed my trip in America this time. - Everyone knows we like America. - We like America. We're just Tenderis for America, everyone knows. - So this time I was like, I guess it was like the,

First time in a while where I've been to America purely just for a holiday. No working, no working, no collabing with YouTubers, no kind of like- - Ain't no way. - No convention to go to. I just went to America, chilled out with some friends and yeah, went to Napa Valley and- - Oh, that's why. - Okay, no, no, actually, actually, actually we, you know- - The mystery has been solved. We figured it out. - Even before Napa Valley, you know,

- We went to Lake Tahoe, which is kind of like near San Francisco. - I hear so many of these places in movies. And I just assume that they're like, you know. - I like Lake Tahoe. Lake Tahoe is nice. - Have you been to Lake Tahoe? - I've been to Lake Tahoe, yeah. - What the fuck is a Lake Tahoe? - It's a lake.

- It's called Tahoe. - Yeah, it's a- - Why is it always mentioned? What's so special about it? - It's a nice area. - I have no idea. It's just a nice area. It's very, I didn't understand what, you know, America core is until I went to a place like Lake Tahoe and I'm like, oh, this is like American tourism, just like in a nutshell. It's like, just like a nice scenic lake. And then there's like a little touristy town with little trinkets and souvenirs. - It's what Japanese people envision the perfect American holiday to look like, I feel.

- Yeah, it is the perfect American holiday. And going to Lake Tahoe after spending so much time in Japan, this is gonna sound like a joke, but it's not. I realized I kind of missed the freedom you get in America. - He's been indoctrinated.

- It's too late, it's too late. - What do you mean? - We lost a fellow brawler. - I don't know, 'cause like sometimes you go on a holiday in Japan and you want to do like an activity or something, right? And it's just like, you have to phone ahead, make sure everyone has the right equipment, make sure everything is booked out. You go in at the right time slot and you've missed that time slot. And then it was just nice being in somewhere like Lake Tahoe and just,

waking up and being like, what do we feel like doing today? Oh, let's rent a boat. Oh, do we have to book out anything? So we didn't know if we have to book out a boat or something like that. So we went for lunch somewhere and then we just saw that there was a boat rental place like right next to the lunch place we were going to. And we were just like, let's just ask if we could, you know, maybe book out a boat maybe today or tomorrow. So we go to the place and they're just like, yeah, when do you need a boat?

Just, and I- - This is a uniquely Japan problem. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is a very Japan problem. And I was like, do you need a license? And they were like, nope. Do you need a time slot? And they were like, when do you think you're gonna be back? And we can just get you a, if you can't drive a boat, we can get you a captain, no worries. - That is like the mentality I love that Japan does not have, like the fuck it mentality. - Yeah. - You know, it's just being like, yeah,

- Fuck it, figure it out, whatever. - Yeah, just fuck it. And I'm like, can we bring fishing rods or can we have other stuff on the boat? And they're like, yeah, you can do water ski if you want. You can do like-

all these other activities. - Did you water ski? - I did not water ski that day because the water was fucking freezing. Funnily enough, it was a pretty like, there were still places near Lake Tahoe where you can go skiing. And this was like in June. So I was like, what is this weather right now? This is very confusing.

I did go the word fucking fly fishing. I went fly fishing for the first time, which I've been, I've realized now I've done a lot of different kinds of fishing and before like two years ago, I'd never fished in my life. I was like, all fishing is kind of the same, right? Which, which- - Don't start.

- All fishing the same. You just put the rod in the water, wait for the bite, and then you just reel it in. - I played enough fishing mini games. - Yeah, I thought all fishing was basically the fishing mini game in every video game you've ever played. And the first fishing experience was basically just that. It was basically you're on a lake, you just put out the line, wait for the fish to bite, and the bite feels exactly like

it does in a video game. You feel the vibration and then you just like start reeling it in. - You see the press A prompt. - Yeah, you see the press A prompt and then you just start reeling it in. And then we had the fishing trip with Geeks Plus and that was like fishing easy mode. - Yeah. - Right? - That was baby mode for sure. - Yeah, we've briefly talked about this, but we've worked like,

in a river and then they literally threw the fish in this river for us to catch. They said, "There is this many fish-" - Here's the tutorial. - I love how at that time too, everyone saw that. They didn't even make it subtle and we all just kind of silently agree. We were like, "Let's just pretend we didn't see that." Let's like, just for our sake, just for our own enjoyment, let's just pretend. - Pretend I didn't fucking see that.

- Yeah. And the funny thing is they even like, they even gave us like an SSR catch because there was one golden fish. There was one, there was, there was in the sea of like gray fish. There was one golden fish that they put in the bucket, which was the SSR catch. - That was five points. - Which was five points. And so we decided to do a fly fishing in,

Lake Tahoe or near Lake Tahoe. And I was like, I've done fishing before. How hard could this be? You know, I've had some fishing experience. I didn't, so it kind of confused me when we decided to do fly fishing that there was like an hour long kind of like tutorial stage. I was like, what are we doing for an hour? - Do you wanna explain fly fishing for people who don't know what it is?

I still don't know what the technical definition is of fly fishing, but if you've ever seen in a movie or a TV show where someone's fishing and they're doing this a lot, where they're like basically whipping the line. - Well, it's 'cause you're using the lure, right? It like spins or does like saying to catch the attention of the fish, right? - Actually not. So the reason- - I'm thinking something else.

- Maybe because basically what I was taught was fly fishing is the one where you see people just like whipping the line around before they throw it in. And that's because that's basically to give you control over exactly where you throw the lure in.

So you can control the reason I've realized why we needed an hour, an hour long kind of like session teaching us how to properly throw the law is because it is actually quite hard to keep control of the length, the exact length and the direction and making sure because if you throw it, you need to throw it so it's like the law and the line is completely straight.

which is a lot harder to do than initially seems when you're like- - It's kind of like lassoing? - Yeah, it's almost kind of like lassoing, right? And so you have to get like the timing exactly right when you're kind of like whipping it like back and forth, back and forth. You let a little bit more go. And then depending on how much of the line you let go, which is the length of the line you're trying to throw, the timing is a bit different 'cause it's almost like if you mistime it, then the- - This is like a quick time event.

- Yeah, it is exactly a quick time event. And you have to go through this before even getting your line into the river, right? If you fuck it up, then you've already fucked up basically. 'Cause there's so many things that can go wrong. Maybe you whip it too hard and then the line goes into the water before you actually throw the line in. 'Cause you're meant to throw it in as softly as possible. So it's meant to just like, kind of like,

It's kind of like meant to be like a leaf or something or like an insect just dropping off and just like falling into the river. But if you like fucking whip it in the water, that's obviously gonna scare the fish off. - Right, right. - So this is like fishing with the Dark Souls patch like put in, there's a lot more gameplay. - I was gonna say, it sounds like a multi-phase boss fight. - Yeah, it is a multi-phase boss fight because on top of that,

All the fishing I'm used to is that when the line's in, you just wait, right? You don't have to do anything and you wait for the pull. And with fly fishing, the hook that we're given was like way smaller than what it usually is.

So you have to like eagle eye your eagle eye, like the line on the water. And as soon as you see any kind of movement at all, you just got to fucking pull up. You actually have to like be attentive because how we always explain to us is like the trouts

obviously they don't wanna waste calories eating something, right? So they're not gonna like swim up and like bite it. What's gonna happen is you're gonna drop the line. They're gonna see something that looks a bit nice and they're gonna waste the least amount of calories as possible just giving it a nibble and they're just gonna let go.

- Why are the trouts so concerned about calories? What are they bulking like? - Okay, well, if they- - Also survival, right? - Yeah, if they expend more calories to eat something than it is than the calories that they're eating- - You're right. - Then they're gonna die, Joey. Then they're gonna die. - That makes sense. - Okay, yeah. - That makes sense. - Yeah, so basically you have like a 0.5 second chance. So as soon as you see something, you just gotta fucking- - Yeah. - You have to, it is like,

it is like that fishing mini game where you think you feel something and as soon as you think you feel or see something, you just gotta like- - Press A. - You just gotta press A. And 90% of the time you didn't feel anything or you didn't see anything. It was just the movement of the water. And then on top of that, which is actually the part that, this is the part that I like the most, right? Because fly fishing, you don't reel it in, right? You pull it in.

Okay, so because the hook is a lot smaller than a lot of other fishing I'm used to, there's a chance that the trout could just get away and the trout could actually free himself. So you do the yank to actually like set the hook into the trout. - Yeah, yeah. - So that's why you have to yank it really hard. And once it sets,

you gotta fight it, right? So that's actually, you have to- - The stamina bar pops up. - Literally, the stamina bar pops up, right? The stamina bar pops up. - This one's a big one. - The stamina bar pops up and what happens is, so there's different things you have to do, right? - You gotta stagger the fish. - Yeah, you basically have to stagger the fish. You have to wear it down. So you don't, okay, so here's the thing. - Grinch, he staggered you with this bash. - So you have to like,

- Angle your rod so it's like the perfect angle where it's like just a little bit bent, right? So it's kind of like that. So it gives like resistance towards the fish. So if they're swimming like away, you have to angle it so it's not too like, so it's not too angled otherwise the line's gonna snap. - It's like it's a fucking speed run.

- It's like, so this is the angle perfect movement, right? - That's what he was explaining to us. It needs to be angle perfect. So if they're swimming away, you need to angle it so it's the perfect amount of resistance so they are still like expending energy, but not enough that the line snaps. But what happens if the fish swims towards you?

Well, that's when you actually start reeling it in and you reel it in by hand. You start reeling it by hand. So it's kind of like, it is literally the stamina bar and you have to like angle your controller so that it's like, it's the perfect angle. - It's literally every fishing game. - I guess it's rooted in realism. - Yeah, it makes sense now. - It is actually rooted in realism. - You would hope the people who make these fishing games

- Know how to fish. - Yeah. - There's somebody on the team who's like, "That's how I do it." - And I gotta say, it is fucking addictive. Holy shit. - Yeah, I think my little brother does it all the time. - Yeah. - I think he's like hooked on it. - Yeah, I think I did it once and it's got like the perfect gameplay loop of just like, one more time. Just one more time. - Did you eat the fish when you caught them or did you put them through? - With this one, we had to put them through

- Yeah, yeah. - Otherwise you, normally we are under supervision. Normally you need a fishing license and you can only fish a certain amount so you don't over fish the lake or whatever. So this one we're under supervision. So we didn't need a fishing license and we put all the trouts back.

But yeah, it was, I think I get fishing now. Like after that, after like the Japan trip, I was like, this is a pretty boring, you know, with the fish just come to you and you're like, okay. - Definitely eating them is fun as well. - Yeah, eating them is fun. - Ah yes, the cycle of life. - But yeah, fly fishing is the fishing mini game

- For gamers. - It is for gamers, it is addicting and it's most of the time, it's like you get an hour of just boredom of just like throwing it in and then like the adrenaline rush of like when you're actually fighting the fish and like making sure like I made this fish my bitch, man. I showed him who's boss, he knows, he knows and then you catch it and you're like, all right, that was actually- - That was hype. - That was fucking hype actually. - I think of all the fishing I've done, which is two, ice fishing was my least favorite.

- What's ice fishing like? - I mean, I've done that too. - It's just not fun. - I mean, how much did you catch? - I caught like seven. What were the size of the fish you were catching?

- Something like that big? - Yeah, they're like this. They're tiny. - Well, I mean, there's no fish- - I know, I know, I know. - Larger that could survive that water, right? - It's like the most, if that's like the accurate mini game, ice fishing is like the cookie clicker of fishing units. - Yeah, it is. It's the idol fishing game. - It's like, you don't really do much. You just, I might want to keep tapping it

- And although these old men were trolling me and they were trying to make me as cold as possible 'cause they knew I was unprepared and they were fucking with me. But they also, I'm completely unrelated, they kept calling each other skibby. - Skibby. - Yeah. - Like pervert. - Yeah, they kept calling each other, "Hey, this guy's a pervert." - And I'm like, "I'm in the same tent you see, "I'm uncomfortable." - Yeah, but that was just like,

And then you'd catch something and you're like, oh great, the world's smallest fish. - I mean, I thought it was really fun 'cause I did it on Journey Across Japan. I thought it was super fun because- - You guys all had your own like nice private room. - Yeah, we were in like a tent together and like it was Pete and Chris versus me and Natsuki. And it was only fun because we fucking destroyed Pete and Chris.

They were literally sitting right next to us, like this distance apart, own hole to fish through. And we were just fishing all this. - I could see the joy in it if you were in a nice tent and you had like a heater and some beers. - Yeah, and just chilling with the boys. - I get it. But as like the actual fishing aspect, I was just like, this is so boring. - It's not that hype. - Yeah, for sure. - It's like, I realized different types of fishing are good for different types of, let's say environments. - I've been ocean fishing as well.

- I fucking despise ocean fishing. - That was actually, actually the ocean fishing was the worst one. - Yeah, ocean fishing was like the combination of like all of the most boring parts of fishing with just unpleasant experience. - Yeah, I've only, I've never done it. I've only seen like footage of people doing it. It looks like hectic, but in the most not fun way.

- Yeah, yeah. - It's just like the adrenaline is rushing through your body, but you're not catching anything. - Yeah, honestly, fly fishing has been my favorite so far. - It's so fun. - In terms of just, I think I'm like, next time I get an opportunity, I'm definitely gonna try it again.

and fucking Didis destroyed everyone. It's the mainer in him. I caught three fish on average, like in our group people call like two or three fish. So he caught one. Didis like caught nine. And then he stopped early because he was like, I think I'm done.

- I've maxed out. - You stop like half an hour before everyone else did and there's me like half an hour after our time has run out to be like, "Come on, just one more. "I just want to throw one more line. "It's this line, this is the line." - He's that kid who finishes the test 30 minutes. - Yeah, yeah, right? And he stares. - Yeah, you know, you're doing the exam and then someone stands up 30 minutes in, two hour exam, you're like, "What the fuck?" - It's like this motherfucker.

- I was walking out like they don't know I fucking, I didn't know shit. I gave up. - I didn't even write my name. - That's always the thing with tall walks. I was always like, damn, are they smart as shit or are they dumb as fuck? I can't tell.

- Oh fuck. - Yeah, but I guess I also realized now, I definitely do not enjoy driving. I am not a- - Not really? - What? - I am not a driver like, I thought this would be the big test because me driving in America, I had to like drive to Lake Tahoe, which was a pleasant drive in terms of- - A whole lot of drive.

- Like four hours. - Fucking hell. - Yeah. - Actually, so that's an average American. - I mean, that's short for America. - Only four hours? I'll see you there in 20 minutes. - Yeah, but like, I mean, Lake Tahoe was a very, very beautiful area. That kind of area is very beautiful. And you know, I kind of like- - Wait, what college you were in?

- I rented an SUV, not a fucking Jeep or whatever. It wasn't a massive Jeep, just a normal SUV. - I just feel like America, I get big kind of big car culture a little bit. 'Cause I'm like, yeah, it feels nice. You got the big room.

music blaring, AC. - Do you know what I got? - What? - Country music. As soon as we got to the Lake Tahoe, as soon as we got to like the Lake Tahoe area, the nature, like fucking nature valley everywhere. And yeah, Didis was like, "Put on some country music." I'm like, "Didis, I'm not fucking putting on country music." And he was like, "Give me the phone." And he put it on and started off with the classics, "Country Road," and then started putting on some other stuff I've never heard of.

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- No. - I can't get this now. Shit. - Well, I'm open to all sorts of music. Country is one that I just cannot do. - Country under any other circumstance, I'm like, no, get the shit out of here. But driving on actual country roads in America, I'm like, okay, actually kind of a vibe. - Okay, so why didn't you like driving then?

- It's just stressful. It's just maybe it's like- - But you're like out in the middle of nowhere. What's there to be stressed about? I get if you're in like the middle of the city and there's traffic. - There's no roundabouts. You just go straight on time. - It's stressful because, okay, I think this is like my, I think this is like an ADHD thing, but I just feel like there are- - I don't know how that might be. - It's the thought of being in a situation where if I fuck up, I die, right?

- What do you mean? Why is that funny? Wait, why is that funny?

- Why is that funny? - There's a lot of things that could apply to. - Yeah. - But like- - I think that's half the things you do in life, right? - No, okay, no. When you're driving- - It's like riding a bicycle. - Yeah, if I fuck up, I die. - Well, no, you're barely ever going fast enough on a bicycle to warrant, "Okay, if I fuck up, there's a big possibility I could die." Most of the time, if you're on a bicycle, the worst that could happen is that you fall over or something, right? - Yeah, and you could hit your head in a-

- You could die. - Do you feel that way when you cross the road? - No, no, okay. Okay, when you cross the road- - Like if I just stop right now and a car hits me, I could die. - No, no, when you cross the road, that is not comparable to driving a car. When you ride the bike- - There's an amount of risk that you take on daily as a human being and driving probably gives you a little bit more risk. - Yes, and driving, the thing about driving, it is a constant, you have to be, at least for me, you have to be mentally just

- Yeah. - Mentally clicked. Because if you can't just like- - I would hope so. - Yeah, yeah. Well, you can't just like, I guess, just zone out when you're driving completely, obviously, hopefully. Otherwise you put yourself and all your passengers at risk. So for me, I just like being mentally on and being aware of my mirrors and just being aware that, you know, I'm constantly following the road, following the road rules, even on like an empty road.

It's actually, especially on a country road, 'cause country roads are normally a bit more windier, a bit more control needed. So I'm like, it's just a lot of time where I need to be mentally on for a very long period of time. - Are you the kind of person that hates it when someone is talking to you while you're driving?

Like you can't concentrate? Like you can't hold a conversation while you're driving? - No, I would rather someone talk to me. - Yeah, me too. - But as long as I don't have to talk back, which is why me and Sydney- - Well, that's not quite a conversation. - No, okay. - You're just like, you're just like- - There's literally no difference to you just listening to a podcast at that point. - Actually, yeah, yeah.

- You just had a live broadcast in your car. - Which is why I very much enjoy driving with Sydney because she can like, she can talk my ear off and I'm like, "Hmm, that's interesting, that's interesting." And it's just, that's just like- - That's great honey, but I'm not listening. - I am actually, that's the thing, I am actually listening. It's keeping me attentive and aware, but not enough where I need to like,

put thoughts to my conversation back and everything like that. That's like my perfect drive, you know? But it's just, yeah, it's just to me, I don't know if this is a me thing, it's just very mentally taxing to be that switched on for that long amount of time, even if,

it's a very beautiful area I'm driving in. - I mean, four hours is a long drive, bro. - Yeah, I mean, four hours- - Americans make it look easy, but to everyone else, that's a long fucking drive. - Yeah, I don't know how Americans do it. But yeah, me driving, I realize, yeah, I get like, there's always this small anxiety

in me, I don't know if this is me thing. I'm saying this not to you guys, I'm saying this to you guys to be like, there must be someone out there like me, right? There must be someone out there like me. - There definitely is. - Yeah, yeah, 'cause I-- - I think there's, you know, we joke about Americans love driving and doing it, but I think there are, I've met a fair amount of Americans who are like, I just wish I didn't have to drive. - Yeah. - Oh, Aki hates it.

- Yeah. - But she's like, "I have to, 'cause otherwise I can't fucking get anywhere." - Yeah, I would, under any other circumstance, give me the passenger seat every time.

If I have the choice of being a passenger or getting the freedom to drive myself, I will choose being a passenger every single time. 'Cause yeah, it's just, there's this anxiety feeling that I can never get rid of no matter what when I'm driving. And that's just that feeling of having to be mentally switched on no matter what the situation. - Music helps me.

- Music helps you drive? - Yeah, same. - Country music, yeah? - No. - I mean, if it's the only thing available, I'll listen to it. - Next time, if we ever go to an America trip where we go out to the wilderness, I swear to God, I swear to God, try it out, try it out.

- You might discover something about yourself. - I've had a couple of bangers, but like, I don't think I could sit for like an entire four hour road trip just listening to country music. - It's about the vibe. You know, sometimes it's like drifting and Eurobeat, you know? Sometimes you just find a situation or an environment where you put on the right track

And then suddenly everything just clicks together. - I feel like everyone gets nervous when you're driving and Eurobeat comes on. - It's like, oh shit. - It's not an invitation, do not start. - Is it getting faster or is it just me?

- You know, sometimes, yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's just, that's the issue with like every piece of music genre, you know? Sometimes you find the perfect music genre for the perfect vibe. And even if you're not a fan of that genre, you kind of like fuck with it at that particular moment in time. I'm sure there are other moments that I'm like, kind of like blanking on right now, but yeah. Country music on country roads, suddenly, who knew actually fucking works.

- That is true. Like depending on what I'm listening to while I'm driving, my mood is completely different. I never put on like punk music when I'm driving. - Yeah. - 'Cause I just get so angry. - Yeah. - Like every small tiny little thing, like this guy just like slightly deviated into my lane. I'm just like, fuck you. - Do you know what music genre I've kind of like fallen out of bro?

I don't know if it's like falling out is the right word, but just lo-fi. What is the right mood or what is the right situation to ever put lo-fi on? - It's modern day elevator music.

- It is, it's just music. - People just, it's good background noise that I think everyone is agreeable on and that it's not a noise. - It's good homework music. If you're just like sitting at your desk and you just need some kind of noise in the background, it's just like ambient music. It's just noise in the background. - It's just the most inoffensive. I get lo-fi 'cause it's the most,

inoffensive kind of music you can put. No one's going to complain about lo-fi except for me right now. I've somehow found a way to explain about it. - Except for Garnt. - The reason is, okay, the reason is every time like me and Sydney have people over to our house. - For lo-fi? - Oh yeah, she always puts lo-fi on. - Sydney puts lo-fi on and it's happened enough times now where I'm like, Sydney, why are you putting this on? And she's just like, oh, who's gonna complain

I'm complaining about lo-fi. Sydney, I'm complaining about lo-fi. I am. 'Cause you do this every single time. - It just makes the conversation feel like stale. - Yeah. - I feel like it's like, I'm bored. - Yeah, exactly. - Cut that shit off, put on some country right now. - I'm just like, Sydney, why are you...

- What a hype thing on me. - Yeah, Sydney, why are you being scared right now? And I'm like, and she's like, what are you talking about? And I'm like, why are you being so scared to put on your own taste in music? You know what I mean? 'Cause like if you go around the house and people put lo-fi on, what I think is why are you scared to show me your actual music taste? Why are you not putting on your actual Spotify playlist here? Come on, come on. - She's gonna get judged. - Don't be a pussy. - I know that feel though. - Do you guys have a music playlist to put on when,

there are people around or do you just have- - I play the same five songs for everything, God. - I actually realized recently because I was also the guy where I'm just like, I don't wanna fucking scare the hoes, like showing all these like weird- - Wait, who are the hoes? - Scare the hoes.

- I don't wanna scare the hoes with all the weird shit that I listened to privately. So I was always the dude where I'm just like, everyone likes lo-fi. I'll just put on some lo-fi. But now I'm just getting to the point where I've listened to so much lo-fi and I've listened to so much lo-fi in YouTube videos where I'm like, every time I put it on, I just feel like I'm watching a YouTube essay. I just get into the YouTube essay and I'm like, this is kind of boring. I found out though, one playlist that works every time is an 80s playlist.

- Yeah, yeah. - Like 80s music, like you put on some fucking Michael Jackson, you put on some like, you know, classic like 80s rock, 80s like disco stuff, like, you know, some earth, wind and fire. - Yeah. - Banger, everyone enjoys that. - Yeah, 'cause the thing I realized is, you know, in terms of like, you know, setting the right mood for like a house party or a house gathering or something, you put on lo-fi, no one's gonna complain about it, but the music isn't gonna bring,

anything for the vibe at all. It's not gonna do anything. It's just a silence filler, that's it. And sometimes you're feeling brave enough to actually put on your real Spotify playlist. Connor, you're an exception because you are the beeps and boops guy. - Yeah, I just put the same thing on. - Normally what I've noticed, people have like two levels. They have their surface level Spotify playlist

and then they have their, this is the shit I listened to in private and no one's gonna know what this playlist is. - Yeah, I definitely have those. - 'Cause I realized unintentionally I have those playlists as well when I've hosted enough parties where I'm like, I wanna, I wanna,

- Put on things that is my taste, but at least are things that I think people will enjoy. - You know, that's one thing I hate about like discord is that like, if you're listening to Spotify on your computer, on your discord, it says like, you know, blah, blah is playing Spotify. And then if you go over to it, you can see what song they're listening to. And I've had so many instances where I'm just like chilling out, listening to my real playlist. And I've had people just message me like, what the fuck are you listening to?

Like what is this shit? And I'm like, stop judging me. Get out of my life. This is me time right now. Stay out of it. Don't judge. - I've never felt the need for another playlist. I'm like, who doesn't want to listen to Daft Punk? - Connors, I go just like that. - That's one level above Lo-Fi.

- In terms of you can play it in any situation, people will be like, "Yeah, it's good." - Yeah, like Tame Impala. Like who's gonna listen to like one of those songs and be like, "God, I can't stand this." I'm like, "No, everyone likes the sound of it in the background." I pick "Beeps and Boops," I know what sounds good in the background. - Connor has five songs that he uses for every single occasion, no matter what it is. I mean, do you know what was really fun actually was picking,

- Picking my wedding song playlist. That was actually the most fun I've ever had like making a playlist.

'Cause I don't know. - That was the funny shit. - Walking down the aisle to Berserk. - Okay, that wasn't part of the playlist. That was something that just kind of like clicked into place, I think. - It's good, it's good. - It's a banger. - It's so gotten, Sydney. - Yeah, I mean, you know, I think if that,

- It'd be a very powerful piece. - It is a very powerful piece. And we decided on that before it became a big meme, I guess. - Yeah. - Yeah, before it became a big meme. So, I mean, it is a very powerful piece. - I still remember when that song came on. I've never done, I've never seen, 'cause I was sitting next to Muna at the time. I've never seen anyone do like the slow turn.

'Cause I was just like, I think I know this song. Mudan's like, yeah, me too. And then the chorus comes on like the singing and we both just slowly looked at each other like, is this for real?

I'm not imagining this, am I? - No, it was epic though. I think that was like a great song to pick regardless of like the meme status. - Yeah, I mean, we picked it for us. We didn't pick it for other people. - No, it was a great choice. - Well, you know, I can understand why there was a wide range of emotional responses to it. But you know, I've noticed this, you know, this is just a thing with modern culture in general. Sometimes where there's not only just a piece of music, but just a scene from a movie or TV show that, you know, when it first airs,

is very hard hitting and is one of like the most culturally, let's say culturally impactful scenes that have come out. That's going to get memed on to the point where you don't, you start to not take it seriously anymore. You don't have that same emotional response you originally did when you first saw that thing. - That was me with unravel bro. Like, dude, I hate the internet for ruining that song for me. I can not listen to that song anymore.

- When I first watched "Tokyo Ghoul", I was like, damn, TK, fucking banger track, amazing track, perfectly sets the tone for "Tokyo Ghoul". Now every time I hear the chorus, I'm just like- - I just love that you could hand me a picture of a white background of like a blob slightly bent at the top to the right, and I think I would immediately recognize it. I wouldn't even need to see Kaneki's outline.

You just show me a black line tilting slightly at the top. And I play that song. And I'd be like, I know this man.

- Do you know the one scene I despise the fact that has been ruined now? 'Cause it's one of my favorite scenes, but it is the one piece is real. God damn it, when Whitebeard said it, it's such an amazing- - It's so powerful. - It's so powerful. And now it's been forever ruined. Now it's been forever ruined. - And now every time just- - Can we get much higher?

- Every iconic scene, that means it's a good, if it gets memed, that means it's a good scene. - Yeah. - That means it stayed in the brains of people, right? - Yeah, but now- - That's why every fucking Breaking Bad scene is still memed to this day. - But here's the thing, have you ever like rewatched, not like watched the first one, but rewatched a scene that has hit you originally, but has been reinterpreted with like meme culture?

and you just can't take it seriously anymore. 'Cause I'm afraid to rewatch "One Piece" because that scene was like so impactful for me. And now I know that when that scene comes along, I cannot see that scene without seeing Whitebeard's cock. Like right there, like right there. It's just right there. It's just his fat fucking cock as he says it. And I'm like, fuck you.

- I feel I'm gonna have that if I ever rewatch Dragon Ball, I'm gonna have that exact same experience of when I say that, could you repeat that scene? - You're gonna have to explain this to people who don't get that reference. - The what? - The fucking Goku with his cock.

- He has his cock out, but you can only see like the cut of like his- - What is this even in reference to? - It's when he turns ultra instinct. - It's the first time he turns ultra instinct and it's a powerful scene in the show. But now I can't see that scene anymore with just thinking of, could you repeat that? - Fucking stupid. - I had that exact same thing. I think I've talked about this on Trash Taste before, but the first time I watched Invincible,

because I'd seen so many fucking memes about it, right? Like it was mean to shit. - The Think Mark. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Mark one and like, you know, pretty much all the scenes from the last episode. And I was like, all right, fine. You know, these memes have intrigued me. I'm gonna, and you know, your boys have been saying how good it was. So I'll give it a watch and I'll watch it. And I got to that last episode and you know, the scenes of the fucking Think Mark, think like that scene came up and I'm like- - It's actually Think Mark, there's not a second.

- Okay, whatever. - That's the Mandela effect right there. - That's the Mandela effect right there. But I got to that scene and I'm like, okay, I understand this is a very powerful scene, right? But it's just been ruined for me because of all the memes and I hate that. - One of the shows, like "The Boys", "The Boys" has so many memes. - Oh yeah. - "Homelander". - Oh yeah. - "Homelander", yeah, perfect.

- Reaction images are like all over the fucking internet. - Yeah, exactly. - Yeah, I'm wondering, 'cause I haven't rewatched "Breaking Bad" since it's like reemergence of memes. I wonder what it would be like re-experiencing "Breaking Bad" now. - I watched it like a year ago and it still holds up. - I've still never seen it. - Okay. - I've still never seen it. - What the fuck is wrong with you?

- Listen, you should know how good it is by the amount it still gets memed. - But that's the thing- - That should tell you how fucking good the show is. - But see, this is the problem. I'm just satisfied with the memes now. I love all these memes, even if I've never seen the show and it's just great. I'm just satisfied with the memes. I don't have to watch it. - Isn't it insane that it's still being memed

as much as it is. - Yeah. - This isn't, like we've never had this in meme history. We've never had something mean this hard. - Yeah. - Like it's so- - It's true, yeah. - That fucking image of Walter, like they change all the time, but the one now where it's Walter in the car screaming no.

I saw one where there's a cyberpunk post and they were like, and one of the links was like CP and it was like, there was the reaction. Someone quote retweeted it with Walter screaming, no, don't abbreviate cyberpunk to CP. No, don't do it. That's so good. There's so many fucking good memes. Oh my God.

- There's so many good fucking Breaking Bad memes. They're so good. - I know. - Yeah. - I guess while we're on the topic of memes, people need to stop fucking memeing films with cam rips. I don't know. Like there have like recently- - You've seen this? Where? - What do you mean? - 'Cause I'm really, really excited for to watch, is it "Enter the Spider-Verse" or "Into the Spider-Verse?"

- No, the second Spider-Verse film. - The second Spider-Verse film. And I feel like a lot of plot points of that have already been ruined for me because people have posted like cam rip memes. And for some reason YouTube has decided it's a really nice,

I've obviously put interest in it. YouTube has just recommended me a bunch of shit and I'm like, okay, I understand like memeing stuff, but like camera rips really? Why are people watching camera rips? Come on, come on, man. Come on guys, come on. - No, that's not cool. - Yeah, I don't know why a single person would ever watch a camera rip. - It's actually unbearable. I think I would ride that you just ruining any film that you would wanna watch. Come on, man.

But I don't know. But back in the day, I remember I used to when I was a kid. - Oh yeah, 'cause you didn't know any better. - So I was like, man, I can watch the Miley Cyrus movie, let's go. - In one week. - Okay, Miley Cyrus then. - That was back when I think streaming even like 720p was like kind of crazy. Everything was normally 480. - The four by three aspect ratio. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was like, you'd get normally all the films would be ripped in 480p. And it was like, well, a camera,

you may as well just throw another board in the fire. It's already shit. - Yeah, and now we're like, now Apple has just announced Apple vision or whatever, right? - Yeah. - Quite a while ago, but I mean, yeah, it looked fucking weird. - I just saw the Marcus Brownlee video on that yesterday. - Yeah. - Of him like reviewing it. - Yeah.

I don't know, what do you boys think about it? - Okay, first, are we sold on VR or AR yet? I don't know if I'm sold on it yet. - What do you mean? - I don't know. 'Cause so I've been trying out like some VR, like a little bit more recently, not too much, just like surface level stuff, like stuff like VR chat and played around with that a bit. And I'm like,

- I don't know, I get it, but I cannot ever see myself committing to it. It's just uncomfortable. End of the day, it's just uncomfortable. - I think it's hard to say 'cause we don't know where it's gonna be in 10 years or 20 years.

I mean, it looks promising, but it also looks dystopian as fuck. - Yeah. - So it's kind of like a- - It reminds me of when like Google Glass first came out. - Yeah, I mean, it makes you realize how far ahead of the curve Google Glass was. - Yeah. - So far ahead of anything that it should have been. - Yeah. - And it looked good. And you know, Apple generally, I don't buy Apple products. - Yeah.

that they're pretty reliable with making pretty innovative stuff. Or it might be an expensive piece of tech that you're like, cool, this was fun. Never gonna use this. - I mean, it's three and a half grand. The average person is not gonna be buying this. - Okay, well, here's the thing, right? Here's the thing, because there has been like a lot of- - It's gonna change the porn game, that's for sure. - I mean, that already exists. - They were better.

- In 4K. - There is one use for the new Apply. You can spend $3,500 to watch porn in four, like 8K. - Porn people are great at adopting new technology.

- Funny enough, they're the biggest innovators when it comes to like digital media, I feel like. If you wanna see what updates YouTube is gonna implement in like two years, just go into Pornhub and you're like, ah, Pornhub did this like two years ago, right? - They're on that VR game before YouTube was. - Yeah, I don't know. I feel like there has been like tech in the past that has gotten a lot of hype that has just like for one reason or another, like never caught on, right? I think like the one,

One that comes off of the top of my head, it's like Segways. - Wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay, what's the concept? - I was not expecting that. - I was expecting 500, explain your thought process. - Explain my thought process. When the Segway got announced, there was a lot of hype that it was going to revolutionize street travel. - What? - Yeah, yeah. - Americans will literally do anything not to work.

And then, you know, look where the Segway got now. You know, it just turned out to be a failure of epic proportions. - I mean, it killed its creator. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it killed its creator. - It died from a Segway. - And you know, there was a lot of hype around, let's say, e-scooters and you know,

whether they've taken on or whether- - I mean, it's taken on more than the Segway, that's for sure. - It has taken on more. - I think the form factor of the scooter helps a lot. The Segway isn't huge, but when you're riding

when you think about storing, the scooter is way more manageable. - Yeah. Also, there's just something about a Segway for the longest time I looked at it and I'm just like, you just kind of look like a tool, riding one. And I can't explain why. - It always comes back to everyone. - Okay, it's interesting though. Why do you think that? Do you think- - It's 'cause you're like T-posing basically. You look like a fucking idiot. - It's like, now I must go to work, goodbye.

- You're essentially like T-posing and you look ridiculous. - Yeah. - When you write a segway, you look dumb. - Yeah, I mean- - You can't look cool writing a segway. - I totally agree with you because I do think you look dumb writing a segway, but you know, we've all written segways. Actually pretty fun. Surprisingly, actually pretty fun. But I'm wondering because my first experiences with something like a segway was just seeing it in like dumb pieces of media. Like seeing it in a random YouTube video as like a, you know, to-

to parody like the nerd or something like that. Or in like fucking Paul Mart or Paul, like the more cop fucking movie that I can't remember. - Paul Blart. - Paul Blart or something like that. And I'm like, okay, Segway, that's dumb. That's dumb and stupid. - I think what was more dumb though was like not even like those kinds of Segways with the handles but the ones that it's just the feet. - Yeah. - You know those ones where you just like step on it. - The hoverboards? - The hoverboards things. - Which I don't know, what a shit name.

That's another one where I'm just like, you could be the bad-ass motherfucker with like infinite res. Once you're on a hoverboard, you have lost all the res. You just look like a tool riding. - So the reason I bring these up like the hoverboard as well, which is just like, I feel like- - Went in, came in- - It was kind of like a fad, a trend, and I'm like both of these to me try to solve

that didn't really exist. Like Segway solved the problem of transport for whomst. - Mall cops actually. - Yeah, mall cops. - You kind of realize after you use a Segway, I guess the inherent ability that Segway has above other, I guess, transport methods indoors it's pretty good in like spaces like malls or conventions. But outside of that,

- Golf courses, that would be really good for golf courses. - Then there's golf carts. - Then there's golf carts, which is- - You need to carry your clubs. - That's true, that's true. - And then you kind of realize, oh wait, e-bikes are just better than Segways 'cause it's more stable, you can have a basket, you can, you know, they have more distance. - It's more natural as well. - You're sitting down, it's a lot more comfortable. You kind of realize, and there's a lot of infrastructure already for bike parking. So you're kind of like, oh.

E-bikes are just a better version of all this. - A better version of what Segway's tried to be, I guess. - Yeah, e-bikes are good. I mean, we've ridden e-bikes, you know, whenever, I've ridden on my friend's e-bikes as well. They're very, very good.

- And you know, okay. So I guess going back to like Apple vision, okay. Looks wise, looks ridiculous. All right, you are- - The fucking, the fact that you can see the eyes on the other side just makes you look like a fucking cyborg. I'm like, if Apple can't make it look cool,

there ain't no way anyone's gonna look cool wearing VR. - Yeah, they programmed it in their eyes. That's so fucking weird. - But it's like, because the way that they do it is that like, it's not actually the eyes, it's not like a transparent screen where like you can just see the person's eyes. It's a reflection or I guess an image of what the inside camera views your eyes as that's been projected onto it. So it just enlarges your eyes

So you just look like an insect. - Yeah. - Oh, that sounds fun. - And you know, the biggest thing I thought, and because I haven't tried out the Apple vision yet, none of us have obviously, only Marcus has. - We are not. - We are not taking YouTube. - We would not be allowed to go to that. - But like, what is,

- Is like with AR and VR tech in general, like what problem are we trying to solve here? What are we- - I think it's like trying to offer, especially with AR, it's like trying to offer more ways to interact with an environment or like let's say,

you had like, I don't know, you could, if you were like a 3D modeler or an architect, right? Like it's like, oh, come to the architect office, put on these goggles, look right there, we've got this 3D design of this building. You can kind of interact with it. It gives you another layer of like kind of presenting. I'm sure that's what people said about it. - Yeah, but that's like, okay, what you described is such a specific situation, right? - I mean, think about it with like a computer back in the day, they probably had the same argument where they're like,

Adding up numbers? That's so specific. I can add it just fine with the fucking beat thing. What are they called? The...

- Yeah, the abacus. Like we got abacus right here, bro. We don't need that. Like, I think it's again with technology like this, I think it's more about like trying to find a use for it right away is not the correct way of looking at technology. It's like, let's make it. - Let's make the tool. - People will figure out how to utilize it. - I guarantee like when it comes to the Apple vision, it was probably just a bunch of like tech heads who like watched Ironman and saw Java. So it was just like,

- That looks cool. I wanna do this. - I think there is this like, it's also,

presumably if this does work, 'cause apparently it's just you click like this, right? - Yeah. - That's way more accessible in terms of technology than if, you know, what if you're a person who has very limited movement in your hands for some reason. - Yeah. - You know, using a smartphone could be difficult. You know, people use, you know, some people who are quite disabled have pens in their mouth or they have some other solution or text to speech, whatever. - Yeah. - There's always more ways of using technology, interacting with it. Also,

I guess, I mean the fact that you could just have a display that is like your entire vision. Like if you could watch a movie in 4K, that sounds kind of sick. - It's literally a HUD. - I mean it sounds kind of cool, you just have your entire vision taken up for it. But again, it's like, how will it actually work? - I mean, for me, it's like the comfort thing. Would I ever choose to watch

watch a movie in like with a big fucking- - Absolutely fucking not. - Heavy on the tip of the headset. - Nah. - I think it's like the death of cinema. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Would I ever choose to watch it? Probably not because even just playing around in VR for like a few hours, I'm like, I need to take this off.

I'm like sweaty. - I've tried watching a movie on my VR headset. 'Cause I was like, I was just curious. I was just curious. I was like, okay, like they fucking advertise that like you can watch movies in VR and it's like, you're actually in the cinema. I'm like, all right, let me try this. So I tried it with my VR headset. I have an Oculus 2. So I tried it with the Oculus 2. 30 minutes in, I'm just like, I can't see anything because the sweat is just like coming over my head.

with my eyes and my eyes are just burning from like staring at the screen that's right here. And I'm like, I don't think I'm gonna be doing that. - I think also as well, there's could be a benefit in, you know, obviously right now that price point is ridiculous. - Yeah. - But down the line, it'll probably get cheaper as new technology comes out. - Yeah. - Oh, of course. - If this could be like a all in one replacement for a

PC, TV, phone even, that could be quite promising and it could give, you know, that technology could be more accessible to people and allow people to- - I mean, it's first generation tech, right? - It is. - I think right now it's more so like- - We have to kind of figure it out from the- - I personally, it freaks me out and I'm not a big fan of it, but I think-

kind of being against the idea of progressing it is kind of, I guess not helpful, right? And they'll say- - Yeah, it's not helpful, but I guess to play devil's advocate as well. To play devil's advocate, like one thing that I've learned, I've come to despise within the past five years is the whole tech bro culture. Like bro, like adopting tech, yo, NFTs, crypto, this is new technology, it's not about the tools, man. - It's not a fad, mom, I swear. - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

- Because of this, it's kind of like giving me a more critical eye whenever a new piece of tech gets announced to be like, do we actually need this? - Well, yeah, 'cause it's like, you know, I- - Is this gonna be a fad? - Kind of liking tech in like 2018, 2019 was kind of like becoming kind of trendy. - Yeah. - You know, being up to date. - Yeah. - You know, and then NFTs came out and Bitcoin blew up and all that stuff. And I was like, oh man, we should go back to bullying.

- NFTs made me actually think like, there are benefits to being good. - Yeah, which is not to say that Apple vision is on the same level as NFTs or like fucking crypto or whatever. But you know, it does make me think, could I ever see this? You know, I mean, Google Glasses, like you said, was way ahead of its time, but it still did not take off, right? - Well, no, 'cause it was shit. - It was too ahead of its time.

- I think people just don't want people walking around with cameras on their face the entire time. I think it freaks people out. - You look like a spy. - Yeah, I mean, I know I do those IRL streams that people would just look when you use a camera. - I mean, I'm definitely not gonna be buying the vision pro thing, but like I am curious to see where this tech is gonna go. - And again, with tech, more often than not, the first one is always,

is by far shit. - Yeah. - So just wait for it to happen. - It'd be fascinating to see how it's gonna evolve in the next five, 10 years, right? - It's like foldable phones, right? No one fucking knew the foldable phone. But they're like, "Sounds kind of cool." - That's an option. - And like, right, the first two generations, I think, were kind of, "Eh." And then I'm hoping third, fourth generation foldable phones will actually be really good. - You mean foldable smartphones? - Yeah, yeah. - Oh, okay. - What did you think I meant?

- Like regular Motorola Razr. - Sorry, that's the boomer in me talking right now. - That's flip phones. These are foldable phones, it's different. - Okay, I still don't understand. - We are not the same. - I don't understand foldable phones though. - I love the idea of having a phone and then being able to turn it into like a pseudo kind of tablet on the go. 'Cause I have an iPad, I don't use it. I have not used it at once. - Right. - 'Cause I'm too lazy to carry it.

I'm like, I'll just watch it on my phone. But I would love the idea of like, I'm watching and I'm like, I'm like two of these.

- Well, I can't get over it 'cause I've seen people, I've seen a didas as one. And I'm like, I can't get over the crease. - Well, that's the idea, right? Is that hopefully in a generation or two, the crease will get better. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - But apparently you just live with it. - Yeah, you just live with it. - Like mesothelioma or whatever that is in America that every ad tells you about on TV. - The what? - What? - You know?

- What? - You know in America, when you put the TV on, it's like, "Have you or a loved one suffered from mesothelioma?" Call the lawyer. Have you ever seen these ads? - Yeah, the drug ads, right? - Well, there's that too. But every goddamn thing is like a lawyer ad and it's like, "Have you or a loved one been affected by mesothelioma?" Let me see what the actual word is. - I've never heard of that. - Yes, you have. - Mesothelioma? That sounds like a mythical creature.

Mesothelioma, a type of cancer that develops in the lining that covers the outer surface. What triggers it? Asbestos. Yeah, 'cause a bunch of houses were built with asbestos. - Oh. - Okay. - So yeah, so if you have it, you should call a lawyer. - What does that have to do with flip phones? - What's the connection? - Actually, what did that have to do with flip phones? - I don't know. - I just remember this thing I wanted to share with you guys.

- I don't know why. Okay, carry on. - I don't know where you're going with that. - Died of split fun. - Yeah, I mean, oh no, 'cause apparently you just live with it. - Do I have something in my teeth? It's driving me crazy. - No. - Okay, carry on. - When was the last time you flossed? - I don't floss.

- You don't floss? - I don't floss either. - I don't floss. - Okay, okay. - Flossing is a conspiracy by big American dental associate. I am just, I know that you should floss. - Yeah. - I know that it's beneficial. I just can't. - I can't be fucked. - I just don't care. - Yeah. - And I feel like brushing my teeth and mouthwash is enough mentally. I don't know if it is.

- Do you floss every day? - I don't floss every day. - I hate the feeling of flossing. It feels horrible. It feels like a torture method. - It feels like I'm cutting into my teeth and gums. - I floss every now and again. I actually like the feeling. I don't know why, 'cause apparently when it starts bleeding and everything, that's like a good thing, right?

- Well, it's yeah, 'cause you're getting all the gunk out. - Yeah, you're getting all the gunk out. I don't know, it's just something- - What if I just leave the gunk there? - That's on you, bro. You should call up a lawyer. - Yeah, there is some- - I have a messel thing going on. - There is something satisfying about leaving

You know, you were supposed to go to the dentist like what once every six months or something like that. - Yeah. - Something like that. - Yeah. - They've been emailing me. - I don't know a single Brit who goes to the dentist once every six months. - That's where the meme started. - This is where the meme started, right? But there is something satisfying about the feeling of like,

you're getting your teeth cleaned and you're getting all the gunk out between your teeth. It's just satisfying. - It is satisfying. - I hate the fucking, it's not a drill or whatever it is. I don't know what it is. That's that high pitch. - The super high pressure water thing. - Dude, I hate it. It hurts my ears so much. I think the dentist is, the older I've gotten, the more I've appreciated people who are afraid of the dentist.

I've begun to really despise going. Not because there's anything wrong with my teeth, but just 'cause I just hate the whole process. - Yeah. - But I hate hospitals and dentists. Both of them I really despise. - I mean, it sounds like you have like some buried trauma in there somewhere, which we're gonna uncover one day on Trash Taste if we talk about this enough. - Fuck, I don't know. Just the thought of someone operating on me is terrifying. - Did you ever have like a cavity growing up? - Yeah, one cavity. Remember, I had a mercury one.

- Oh yeah, that's right. - And then in Japan they fixed it. They were like, let's get rid of that. - That's gonna give you misthymia. - Probably call a lawyer. - I know many from what he does.

- I mean, those aren't even the American ads that like confuse me the most. Do you know what the American ads that I find like- - Dude, it's wild some of them. - Like I find the wildest? - The medicine ads? - The medicine ones? - Not the medicine ones, the political ones. - Oh. - I just, I can't, I do not understand. - John Johnson wants to keep rapists out of prison in your home.

- What the fuck? - They start off with that. And also he wants to raise the taxes. They always start with that and then they end off with the taxes afterwards. And he wants to raise taxes as well. But also rapists out of prisons. What can I say, guys? - Deborah Jones wants to teach her kids to be gay. Don't vote for Deborah Jones, vote for John Johnson. And it's like, what the fuck? What is this, he's unhinged.

- Oh my God. - Oh, that was, oh my God. - I remember on tour when we had that like TV going on in the bus the entire time, just like 24/7, just some random fucking show. - So cool having a TV on a bus. - Yeah, that was epic. But like, I remember every like third or fourth ad was just this like, you know, like, are you suffering from depression? - Oh yeah. - Then try out Gleam-a-clobia. - Yeah, and then it's like, side effects may include. - Side effects may include.

- Cytophilics may include diarrhea, bleeding anus, pregnancy. - Dude, it's insane. - It's like, okay. - Yeah, I always, 'cause my only exposure to those ads growing up was like through, I guess like YouTube parodies and shit like that. - Yeah, I always thought they weren't real. And then the first time I was in America and I saw that ad, I remember I looked at Aki and I'm like, these are real?

- I thought they were just parodies. - I literally thought they were just parodies you'd see every now and again on the internet. - Who's buying this? - It's like, you know, this thing will give me diarrhea and six types of cancer, but hey, at least it whitens my teeth. Like, okay, sure. - It's very weird. And then I guess there's so many stuff you can get over the counter, which in most of the other countries in the world, you just can't. It's kind of crazy. You're like, I can just,

take melatonin every night and no one's gonna tell me, maybe I shouldn't. That's on the label and it's like. - Yeah, yeah. I mean, there are a lot of drugs that you can't like fly with even if you're prescribed with them in America. I mean, if you come to Japan, don't bring your Adderall prescription because Adderall is- - I'm in trouble. - Same with melatonin as well. - Oh dude, that reminds me, I've been,

- Speaking about Japan, 'cause that's a place we live at. I've been following a lot of the Japan Reddit things, just reading up what happening. - Japan Reddit? - Yeah. - Like the news Reddit stuff? - There's loads of Japan Reddit focused ones. People who live in Japan, people who are visiting Japan, news in Japan. Obviously there's been a lot of weird shit happening, but there was like, obviously there was that video of that guy that you covered.

when everyone was trying to like fucking harass him. - Oh, the IRL streamer. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. And luckily he's left now. - Oh, he has? - Yeah, he's- - Oh, finally. - And there was a like, I think that I found bizarre is that there was like all these American news stations and people online posting being like, "Oh, there's an American missing in Japan." And no one heard anything. - I saw that. - Yeah, and then I think the police just, again, at the time of recording, it was like the police just detained

I think them and just didn't tell the governments. And when the government asked, they were like, we're not gonna tell you. - Wait, what? - Yeah, they just wouldn't, that's what they assume because the police won't look for them, but they won't tell them where they are. So everyone's just assuming that they're detained. - Okay. - It's so bizarre.

- Yeah, that you could get detained and then- - Is that even legal? - Yeah, I think it is in Japan. I mean, you follow the country's laws. So many interesting things. Like there was this thing where this dude on one of the Reddits, he was walking home on one day and this dude was cycling and I guess he nearly bumped into the guy and then swerved off, hit a pole.

and then died when he hit the pole. - Jesus. - And then this whole subreddit was accounting about how the wife of the dead husband was like harassing the dude's house, asking for like money. - Yes. - Being like, what the fuck, you killed my husband and stuff and the police weren't doing anything and then eventually the police did something after. - How hard did he hit that fucking pole? - That's what I was wondering. - Jesus Christ. - Imagine you're just chilling and a dude dies right next to you. You're like, what the fuck?

- Dude, I gotta wrap my head. - So you go on cycling, it was dangerous. - You can die whenever on a bike as well. - There's so many strange things people encountering. - Yeah, 'cause I do a lot of like that kind of like weird Japan news stuff on the second channel. I have a lot of those. One that hasn't been released yet as of this video that I thought was funny was Anno Hideaki, you know, the creator of "Evangelion." He got doxxed the other day. - Are you serious?

- Who doxxed him? - Some random fan at a gas station. - What? - So the story goes is that, hopefully that video will be up by the time this episode is up, but like basically it's, Arno was just like, I'm just gonna go for a drive. Oh, I gotta go fill up some gas. So he just goes to his local gas station, fills it up. The guy who was at the cash register was like, oh my God, you're fucking Arno Hideaki. I love everything you do.

he wanted to brag about it on Twitter that he met Anno Hideaki. So what he does is instead of just doing a standard tweet of just saying like, "I met Anno Hideaki, he was at my gas station, it was awesome." He took a picture of his receipt

and put it up being like, see, even his signature is right there. But the problem was, was that all of his credit card information. - Oh my God. - His car registration, even where the gas station was, was just all there. And people were like, you should probably delete that.

- Bro's losing his job and more. - Oh, he lost his job, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. That's a minimum of what's happening. - Actually, the gas station company, I think it's NLs, had to make a public apology.

being like, "We're sorry that our employee had a massive fuck up." - Oh my God. - That is someone getting sued and rightly so. - Yeah, right. - That is all of your private information that's, you know. - And amidst all the backlash you got, right? Of people being like, "What the fuck?"

But he was just like, the only defense he made was like, no, I swear it was the real Arno. And people were like, that's not what we're asking. We didn't like, yeah, we know. We see his fucking signature and all of his private information. We're not questioning whether it was really Arno. Like we know, we know the last four digits of his credit card now 'cause you fucking posted it. - I guess he's just out there then. - He's just out there. So now people have like starting to figure out like whereabouts he lives and shit. And it's just like all because of this dumb ass.

It's just dumb shit like that. And the police probably not doing anything about it. - I mean- - Unless something horrible happens, which God forbid it doesn't. - That's like when a TSA, when they recognize us and I just handed them my passport, I'm like, "Bro." I'm like, "Motherfucker, you could just memorize this "or you could post about it or something." I know that they would, but you're just like, "What?"

- Oh my God. - Oh, I had that the other day actually at like my local Konbini. - Oh yeah? - Like I have a Konbini really close to my house. I'm not gonna say which one obviously, but like I went there, it was like at 11:00 PM. - Family mart. - One of the three. I went there like 11:00 PM. I was just like, you know, I was in my pajamas 'cause I was getting ready for bed. I just wanted to go get something. And I went, give the guy, you know, all my stuff. And I'm just looking down on my phone, you know, waiting for them to finish. And I just hear, oh my God.

And I look up and the dude behind the counter is like, "You're the anime man." And in my head I'm like,

I have to move now. 'Cause he spoke English. I think he was like Indian or Saudi or something. And he seemed like a really nice guy. - Indian or Saudi, how did you narrow it down? - He was a brown boy. He was a brown boy, but he was chill about it, thankfully. But in my head, I'm just like, don't you dare follow me out afterwards after this post, just 'cause I'm literally right there.

- Oh no. - Have you ever had that? Like someone recognizing you really close to your house? - Yes. - It's terrifying. - Actually there's this one time where it happened literally on my street. - Wait, your street? Your street is not near much tourist stuff. - That's the thing, right? So I was walking- - Same with mine. - So I was walking to my apartment and I was on my street and I was walking

I got recognized and my house is really close. And just to make sure I walked like three blocks extra down and then turned around and walked back. I was like, I ain't taking this risk right now, man. This is something new I'm experiencing now. I feel very vulnerable.

But yeah, it is weird. Yeah, but has that ever happened to you as well? - Oh yeah, yeah, a fair amount. But you know, I'm just paranoid. Whenever I see another white person near my house, I'm like,

- There is a chance. - I like try to make eye contact with them. So I'm like, come on. Like if you're sus, prove it. - Hit me, hit me. Give me the look, give me the look. - Yeah, give me the look. I'm like, come on. It's just right outside my house 'cause I'm like, I just don't wanna risk it. Luckily there's a few entrances so I could just walk around. - It's definitely gotten scarier now that all the tourists are coming back. I feel like every time I go out now, I'm more aware.

of just every single like non-Japanese person who walks past me. I'm just like, what? You gonna come up to me now? Are you gonna come up to me? Okay, we good? Okay, we good. - You're very easy to recognize as well. - Yeah, exactly. - Exactly. - I look so white. - You're also very easy to recognize. I think we all are because we're not Japanese.

- Half Japanese. - We don't walk Japanese. - Yeah, exactly. - That's true. - Yeah. But I mean, like, it seems like every month now there's like a new video popping up of someone doing something stupid on a live stream or a YouTuber doing something stupid. And I'm like, come on, man. We're working so hard to try to give, like keep the peace here. - I mean, more content for me, so. - Yeah, Joey's like, ooh, payday today. - Thank you, boys. Your stupidity is paying for my bills. Thank you.

Yeah. Yeah. It's just like, oh, yeah. And, and,

And I'm like, oh, this is why like fucking Charlie has so many things to talk about like every single day when he wakes up, right? - I can see now. Has it gotten more difficult for you since like all that news and stuff has broken out? - No, I mean, again, the way I've always approached it is that most places we're like, oh, Sotsuo, you this guy. You just ask them, is it okay if I have the camera? And sometimes they'll just flat out say no. And it's like,

if there's a bar that says no, it's not like you'll have difficulty finding another bar. - Yeah. - And also, a lot of the streamers who do it full time, like Rob, Rob CD, who streams full time, he goes to the same places and interacts with them and they're very understanding of like, "Yeah, you're cool, I know it's fine. I know you don't feel customers." And there's some bars where they love it. So it's kind of just about finding those spots and not shoving in a camera and someone's face, he doesn't want it.

- Not being a dick IRL is super easy. - Yeah, tell that to these other dickheads. - But a lot of people make it look fucking difficult. Like you just think you're gonna become like some kind of monster when you're streaming outside. Like it's very easy to just not be a dick. - I will admit that every time I have seen like news of just like some dumb ass IRL streamer in Japan,

- It's always somebody who's turning up. Like it's never someone who lives here. - But I always worry for people like you and Rob that, you know, if this shit keeps persisting, then it's just gonna put a bad name on IRLing in general. - Oh, for sure. - It's definitely a worry. 'Cause it's like, I think it's such a good content,

- It's great content type if the person doing it is done right. Exactly. - And there's so much interesting stuff you can do in Japan. That's so cool that you can do it. And luckily, I think he was doing some kind of, there was a guy visiting who was doing, who's blaring like music in Disneyland and saying racist things. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. The kick streamer. - Yeah.

And stuff like that's bad 'cause like, I mean, you can't stream in Disneyland anyway. So you shouldn't be able to do that. But you worry that other businesses will be like flat out like, no.

- Yeah. - But luckily in Japan, a lot of the cool stuff anyway are not giant conglomerates. It's like, it's just local stores that you can just be like, "Hey, is it cool if I won't film any customers? I'm just gonna do my own thing." And that's where a lot of the best stuff is anyway. So I'm not too worried about it, but it's more so the perception. Like people will be a lot more kind of,

- I feel Japan especially and Japanese people are very easily convinced and I guess like indoctrinated by looking at negative media surrounding things like streaming and YouTubing and stuff like that and think like, oh, well if this one dickhead did it then they all must be like this, right? And you know, that's the problem with them just being uneducated on the medium, but it's like, you know, you can't really blame them either because only the bad shit gets-

you know, gets published. And then that just reflects on all the other people like us who are just trying to, you know, make videos and stream and, you know, make it an honest living. - Yeah. - And I'm just worried that like, it's people like that that are gonna ruin it for the rest of us. - Well, yeah, it sucks that one guy going around Disneyland shouting racist things would get 10 times more media attention

than if I did like a cyclathon race, like $10 million for charity in the Japanese lens of things. - I mean, that's just true. - I think that's just in general. - I think that's just in general. - I know, I know. Well, I think a little bit online, at least not so much for traditional media, but at least online, people are pretty good at hyping up good events and talking about them.

I mean, they very much love negative stuff too. But you know, you just gotta hope that for every one brick you can add, someone doesn't tear down a hundred. - I mean, it's difficult 'cause I think it's difficult to,

- Promote something positive in the sea of negativity. Because I'm surprised you said the online space, because I think the online space is the biggest space that's kind of like accentuates- - Negativity thrives. - Yeah, negative, like negativity. And I think that's just human nature. I think it's just human nature in general, you know? - We love spilling the tea, bro. - Yeah, yeah. - I think it feels like negativity is weighed a lot more and it most certainly is, but I find that like the longevity of,

kind of positive things you've done will maybe in the moment not be as big news as something negative. And I find that over time people do remember. - Oh, they do remember. - And also like, I also think that like in terms of,

for streaming, it kind of needs to have what YouTube has had where, you know, in like Japan, they have like Hikakin, right? Who's like this, they're like that PewDiePie, MrBeast, whatever you want to compare it. It's like their biggest YouTuber. Having someone like that be the face and who is great for brands and people know is a name brand, want to work with, it really helps kind of

and I think that streaming just needs more of that. It just needs more established creators who work with these brands, work within the rules, do what they say. - Like legitimizes the medium. - Yeah, create great content while not compromising, but also keeping the people that working with happy and making sure that everyone's kind of benefiting. - For sure, yeah. - And I think streaming just needs more of that.

I think we've got a few. - Just in general. - Just in general. - Yeah. - I think right now we're just streaming just does, a lot of the big streamers are just, whether they realize it or not, I think they're just hurting the medium, even though maybe they're profiting and doing well themselves. I think the overall landscape of it is like not great. - Yeah, I mean, I would argue that that's just not in Japan. That's just in general. - In general too, too, but Japan needs it as well. - Because the thing I've noticed about streamer culture

In general, even if there are people making exciting content, it's just because of the way the medium works, the pure amount of hours that's, the pure amount of content that people produce. A lot of that content revolves around tea and opinions and reactions. - Yep.

With something like YouTube, it's much more controllable. You can make a certain video. You have someone like Mr. Beast doing all these amazing stuff. And for every fucking cyclathon, chess, boxing event, there is 10 million hours of reacting to stupid TikTokers and drama. And that's just the truth of the matter, unfortunately. - It is, it's true. - Yeah, yeah. - And you just have to hope that

the platform will kind of grow up. - I don't think that's gonna happen. - That's a good joke. - I don't think that's gonna happen. - I feel like YouTube to its credit, like has matured a lot. - Oh, 100%. - The scene of YouTubers, like think about,

like genuinely like think about YouTube drama. It is so different now from what it once was four years ago, three years ago. Like it's completely changed. And I think streaming will get that over time. Obviously I think it's a little tougher 'cause it's live, people are more emotional, no editing. But I think it will mature. I think it's...

like YouTube, it hit that mainstream drama was huge. And then people realized, Hey, maybe this is not so good for business. - I mean, just look at how often scarce uploads now. You barely upload because there's nothing to talk about. Whereas before four or five years ago, as you said, it was like every day there was something happening on the YouTube scene. - And then a lot of the drama covered by YouTube is often is streaming drama. - Yeah, exactly. - And I think that,

maybe there'll always be a space for that in streaming 'cause it's more like Big Brother. It's more Truman Show. It's gonna have that, but I think it will mature. I think it just needs more time. - I think one of the big things actually, interestingly enough is that I think creators themselves, we just grew up. - Yeah, for sure. - Physically grew up. - And we are,

the audience that is gonna be the next generation of YouTubers will, you know, they'll learn from us. - Yeah. - They'll learn like the way that we do things and hopefully they'll take their behavior. - Use it as a good example. - Because there are genuine like YouTubers now who are, let's say role models, you know, who have been on this platform for like a long time and have like physically grown up. And of course there's gonna always gonna be younger creators, but unlike a platform like TikTok, which is like

very, very young right now. There's a lot of people doing like a lot of stupid shit on TikTok. That's just because it's a very young platform and people have not grown up with that platform so much as people have grown up with YouTube. - Also, you know, a lot of streamers, the woman armies, maybe they have an editor or something or maybe an assistant, but you know, YouTube we're at the scale now where I know I can count at least 10 plus YouTubers I know with

teams of 10 or more. There are a lot of, like these are companies, these are full like businesses and you can't, you don't wanna be fucking around with your livelihood of people who work below you, right? So it's more about, I think again, it's just a maturity thing. I think it's not so much the creators, but it's the platform and I think streaming will become more mature over time, which will help it. I think we'll, now there's,

that you can go to certain places and they have guidelines clearly laid out for YouTubers or whatever to how to film something. And I think it'll get there too. And I think there'll be more etiquette around it. I can only hope. I mean, maybe it won't be in people can play devil's advocate and tell me I'm wrong, I'm stupid, but I'd like to think it'll mature. - Yeah. And I guess we've unlike, I'm sensing like,

- I'm gonna go with the future. - Okay, so I saw this video of this, I think game in development right now, which is like on like Unreal 5 or something. And it's,

- So photo realistic. It literally looks- - Oh, oh, is it the one with the-

- The first person shooter one? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - The one, fuck, what's it called? Where you're like killing people in like an abandoned building. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, that one. That one, have you seen that one? - No. - So I just showed Joey the trailer of Unrecord, which is the name of the game in early gameplay. This is official early gameplay trailer. And to me, that does look undistinguishable from real life, from the trailer alone at least. And I'm like,

do I want this? I don't think I do want this. Do I want actual one photo realism in my fucking VR sets in my Apple vision fucking 20. - Bro like Serial Experiments Lane was right. The real and the digital is like slowly starting to become one. - Yeah. - I think one thing that it could help with is maybe

I mean, I know that some industries do actually use this already, but like training for like very dangerous kind of jobs and like experience. Like if you were a firefighter, maybe they can do an accurate simulation of what it would look like to be in a house on fire. - Oh, that would be very useful. - And I know they essentially just set buildings on fire anyway for training. But I think there's a lot of places where it could help.

I don't know if shooting someone that would help. Do you reckon they'll ever train people with the military? They'll be like, "Oh." - I think if we're going into, okay, you know, we talk about the "Black Mirror Future" parody a lot, but the Apple vision generally does remind me of "Black Mirror." - Oh yeah. - Generally, unironically, looking at the trailer, looking at what Apple presented. - You know what scene it reminded me of?

the most in "Black Mirror." You know the scene where, I think it's in season one where he's having sex with his wife and he's playing back. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - He's playing back the good sex he had with his wife 'cause the current sex isn't good. I can just imagine two couples wearing like, they like filmed each other having the best sex ever and they're just reliving that. - Yeah. - Oh, oh, oh. - Honey, what's wrong? You haven't put on your Apple vision today.

- Dude, I mean, I can't get hard without the Apple vision. - Wait, hold on honey, I need my Apple vision to get in the mood. Can you imagine? It's like, hold on, your wife's lying on bed and she's like, "Hold on, honey, I gotta get ready." And he comes out with the Apple vision on his head and he's like, "Honey."

- I'm ready. - And she's like, "I'm not in the mood. My one's still charging. I can't do it tonight. Sorry, babe." - I don't need glasses at all. So the thought of even putting anything on my eyes for more than like two hours, not even like glasses. I'm like, "That sounds uncomfortable." - Yeah, right. - I like the freedom of my face. - Yeah, yeah, exactly. - Why are you laughing? - I love the freedom. - The freedom of my face.

I want a giant screen in front of me. I don't want a giant screen here. - Yeah. And I mean like with like, let's say photo realistic games, it doesn't scare me as much as the idea just makes me uncomfortable, right? 'Cause I always liked the feeling of let's say any piece of media, gaming, movies,

anime, whatever, there is like, there's the fourth wall there. There is that distinction between this is the real world and I get to enjoy whatever the game is allowing me to enjoy in the comfort of the safe space knowing that it's a virtual world.

When I see a gameplay trailer like this, I'm like, this is too real now. I'm like, this is getting to the point where mentally, I don't know if my brain can distinguish this from just doing something. - I feel especially if you ended up playing a game like that on the Apple vision.

- That would actually be like a real simulation, like some metal gear shit. - Yeah, that would actually be like, oh, violence in video games bad. And you know, or like the moms complaining about it. That would be the time where I would be like, you know what? Actually, maybe I kind of agree. - You know what mom, you're right. - You know what mom, maybe you have a point. - I wonder if there's ever be a point where like a kid would have to,

be aware of like two worlds almost, like the real world and the virtual world. Cause it's so indistinguishable if the technology gets so good where he's like, okay, this is, that must be so weird to grow up and having two things that look and feel exactly the same, but one of them is totally different. And, uh,

- How do you even process that? - You literally just described the plot of "Serial Express Lane." That is exactly what that talks about. - I haven't seen it. - And they talked about that shit in 1998. Like they saw it. And it's scary to think that it's become, like you said, it's getting to that point where I would look at that and if you had never told me that was "Unreal Engine 5," I would have thought that was like some fucking body cam footage. - A kid would have no way of understanding

what that is. - Yeah. - If it was, let's say it's PathFact, which it obviously isn't. - Yeah. - It's kind of a cool problem that we're gonna have to deal with in like 20, 30 years. - Yeah, I mean, it's kind of like the more that exciting new tech comes out- - Our population is gonna decline so, no one is gonna fuck.

is what I'm learning. - Japan's fighting a losing game. - Japan's ahead of the game. - Well actually, Japan has I think the highest birth rate in Asia right now. - Yeah, yeah, it does. - Korea is like negative 500,000. It's 'cause they had League. - Yeah, it is. - That was like the one thing that Japan was holding back. They were like, "I won't let League in. "It won't get popular. "We will have baby."

- There are more internet cafes than children in Korea. - Japan's like, there is nothing worse than gacha games. And Korea's like, ha ha, that's League of Legends.

- League of Legends really is the population control. - That is the dystopian population control. Fucking League of Legends, Gacha games and VTubers. China was like one child policy. Korea was like League of Legends. - I think Korea's birth rate was like 0.5 or something.

- Holy fuck. - That's really bad. - Jesus. - Korea is really, really bad right now. - Asian, bro. - Fuck no. - Asians. Maybe it's the Asians who need to touch crossfire. - Yeah, Asians need to fuck, bro. Y'all need to go outside and fuck. God damn. - No, because like, yeah, I personally, for me with video games, the more that, you know, the more that I've grown up, the more I've just appreciated stylized,

like the whole like stylized graphics and stylized- - Like the cell shaded stuff. - I fucking love, and I don't know if this is a, this is definitely a me preference thing, right? Because I've always like, I was fine with like the Call of Duty phase, like the real kind of like the real more realistic looking shooters or everything. But I always loved the more, let's say,

not cartoonish, but the more, yeah, like stylized, more expressive. I feel like there's more expressive, you know? - Like Wind Waker, Jet Set Radio type of games, right? - I mean, it's one of my favorite games of all time and I've already said this, but like I think Metal Slug is just one of those games that has aged so well. And it looks amazing. - It is a work of art today. - The work they put into making those sprites, I mean, oh my God.

Everything about that game is so good. - It is some of the most beautiful explosion sprites I've ever seen. - They aged so well. - It's so nice. - So well, they went above and beyond. - But I feel that's why, especially in like the indie like game scene, right? Like those kinds of like 16 bit, 32 bit games are still so popular because a lot of people still look at that and being like, you know what? I love how realistic games are becoming and you know, to the point where it's almost indistinguishable, but there's something charming and special about this like,

retro look, whatever it might be. - I saw a meme and it was like indie game devs trying to decide what they wanted their game to be. And it was that guy about to press the button and it was like a rogue like Metroidvania platformer.

- It's so true. - It's like, fuck yeah, I guess. But I guess it makes sense 'cause obviously you can't make giant open worlds as an indie dev. It's kind of tough. Well, maybe you can, but it's obviously a lot harder and making those other types of game makes more sense.

- I hope they never stopped doing that. Cause those games are fun as fuck. - I do like them. - It's now like every major AAA studio has an apology letter on like speed dial. It just seems like every time there's a new big release, even though I'm not a gamer, for some reason I know when a game's released when I see the apology letter.

'Cause I didn't know like Star Wars, I didn't know any new Star Wars game was out until I saw the apology letter and I was like, oh, it's out? Oh, okay, I actually wanted to play that for a while.

- Were you boarded after the apology letter? What's wrong with you? - I saw the reviews and I was just there and they were like, "Oh, there's a frame rate drop issues and stuff like that." And I'm like, "I don't care about that." - God literally did that. I'm not gonna read this, but I'm happy for you all, sorry for your loss. - You're a monster. - Anyway, I'm like, "People complaining that Zelda doesn't run at like 60 frames a second or something." And I'm like, "What happened, man?"

- Oh, game out? I'll sleep. - Yeah, it's like game out. - Bye. - It's like, okay, I'll take it. - Oh my God. - I mean, the only time I don't buy if it is like a cyberpunk kind of situation and that's the thing, right?

Obviously it's bad that Cyberpunk released in the condition that it did with as many bugs. But now that I've played it recently, now that I've actually waited a year, it's genuinely a fucking great game. Like it is a great game. - Yeah, they just dropped the ball. - Yeah, I mean,

I mean, do you think that they should get as much time as needed and gamers should give them the benefit of the doubt if they end up actually fixing the bugs with the games? - Well, they were releasing a, they just announced a DLC. - Yeah, they just announced a DLC.

- Oh yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - Like see, 'cause like this is an interesting point in context because it's like, have you seen the latest Nakey Jakey video? - Mm-hmm. - Yeah. - He made this comparison that I never really thought about that actually made a lot of sense of the whole like thing of, you know, game comes out that's,

clearly unfinished, people complain. But then when the game developers fix all the glitches and bugs and everything with the DLC, then people are like, well done, well done for fixing your game. And he made this really cool comparison. It's like, that's like if you went to a taco bar

and you paid for a full price taco. And what you received at the door was just the taco shell and some lettuce, right? But then a couple of weeks later, guy comes back and gives you the rest of the taco and your reaction is to applause him. He's like, that's exactly the same way that people are looking at game developers. And it's like, it's weird that that's the only way we kind of view at that point. And when he said that, I was like, you know what? You kind of make a point. Why do we react that way? - Okay, okay, okay. So I- - That's not a big opinion.

- All right, go for it. - Okay, yeah, yeah. - I'm listening. - You know Gantz about that movie, 'cause I did see that video as well. And you know, I understood,

where he was coming from, especially with that analogy. Because yeah, I think part of the reason, so I'm gonna answer that question. Part of the reason I think people are happy when people fix the game is because so many game developers don't go back. There's so many EAs out there that release an unfinished product and then just leave it like that and then just never fix it. So when you have those one or two developers like No Man's Sky or like Cyberpunk that actually come back and actually commit, even though they've already made their money to fixing the issues,

I do think that deserves some kind of praise. Like some kind, they deserve some kind of praise. My like, I guess my kind of like to play like devil's advocate to that kind of argument, which is, you know, why are they releasing an unfinished product where, which is like cyberpunk,

was never ever going to be released in time at the quality of standards that people expected it to be. - Yeah, of course. - The expectations were too high. - The expectations were way too high. So the argument is,

Would you wait a year? Because this is what I did. - I think Cyberpunk needed more than a year. - I mean, I waited a year and I played it at a, when I experienced Cyberpunk, it was, I experienced like almost zero bugs, like nothing game breaking, nothing. It didn't crash once. There was no like game breaking or immersion breaking glitches. - I had some bad bugs. I would just drop to the floor and die.

- It was like bad. - Yeah, damn. - Yeah, so I never experienced like any of that. And that was me waiting like a year to play Cyberpunk because I really wanted to play Cyberpunk. And so monk mode, I was like, I'll be patient. But unfortunately from what I can see people just aren't patient, you know?

- Yeah, I definitely agree people are not, 'cause people always wanna play the latest and best game. And unfortunately a lot of those games do not live up to the hype. And I was talking about this on stream the other day, I was like, I've enjoyed gaming so much more when I stopped following what games were being released. And I just played a bunch of games that I thought were interesting. And if a game comes out and it's amazing, people will let you know. I don't feel any pressure to play that game immediately.

I know Breath of the Wild's good, the new one, I just haven't played it. Sorry, Tears of the Kingdom. I know it's good, I don't care about playing it, I'll play it in my own time. I've just found that I've enjoyed gaming way more when I've taken that approach.

It's been more fulfilling 'cause I can also be like, I never expected anything from any of these games and when they're good, I'm always pleasantly surprised. - Yeah, for sure. - So yeah, I also said something that was controversial and people told me it was controversial. I hate DLC full stop. I just hate DLC. I just wish game companies didn't make DLC. - Like all kinds of DLC or?

- By the time I- - What's your gaming philosophy? Tell me your gaming philosophy. - Okay, because Elden Ring is coming out with a DLC that is crazy big and is awesome and swag.

and I'm sure it's fucking amazing. But I am already done with "Elden Ring" in my mind, which is a me, this is totally a me thing, right? If you wanna go back into that world, fantastic. I wish that they would just, instead of making more for a game that is already kind of done, just use that time to make like a second one or something or make a new- - "Elden Ring 2." - I know this is a shit take,

for me, it's like, I just don't want to get reinvested in a DLC, pay like 20, 30 bucks for something when I already feel like I'm kind of out of it. Like,

Like I'd rather just start something new. - No, I actually agree with that. Like if the DLC comes out not long after the like original game came out, or like you're still playing the game and you're still invested in it and a DLC comes out, then I'll be like, sweet. But if it's like a year or two in between or like even longer sometimes, I'm just like, well, you know, I've kind of already checked out of this game. I'm like two games in to something else. - Do I really want to jump?

it's probably worth going back in. Like that's one of the rare occasions where I feel like it's worth it. But especially when some of these games split it up into like four or five DLCs. - But there's also a lot of DLCs where I just look at it and I'm like, it might look fine, but I just can't be bothered. It looks like shit. - What egregious example, I think Pokemon Sword and Shield, and that came out with shit. And they were like, no, no, no, the DLC mix is such a game changer. What would have been a game changer if the game was fucking good? And it was compelling and I didn't waste my money.

- No, no, no. - Sword and Shield. - Oh yeah, the two expansions. - Yeah, we were bragging about how amazing they were. - I didn't play those. - Yeah, yeah, because you're like- - Because I was already checked out. I finished the game already. - You're like, this sucks. You've already fucking burned the bridge. Don't fucking release this shit. - Well, in my case, it's like I already had beaten the game 100%. So I'm like, I'm done with this game. Like, I don't wanna go back to it. - I felt burned. I was like, you think I'm a fucking idiot? You think I'm gonna come crawling back, give you money for the chance that it'll be good?

Fuck off, bro. You already took $60 from me and it sucked. - That's like if like an anime was really dog shit and they're like, no, no, no, watch the OVA. It's fine, it's fine. - Joey though, I have three words to completely throw a spanner in your argument. - Okay. - Persona 5 Royale.

- See, I would not count that as a DLC. - When I heard "Percent of Five Royale." - Why would you not count it as a DLC? - Because for one, the base game, they changed so many elements of the story that it offered a completely new feel to the story. And it actually is, I feel, you know what it was? - I hate the sound of this.

- For me, Persona 5, and I might just be the only one thinking this, Persona 5 Royal to me is not a DLC, it's like an HD expansion. - What the fuck is the difference? - Expansion is a DLC. - No, no, expansion in the sense of like, well no, because DLC is usually just like, in the case of like Sword and Shield, right? It's like they tack it on.

to something that is preexisting. - Like a re-imagining? - Yeah, it's like a re-imagining basically. It's like a more fleshed out version of something that is completely different from the baseline game. - A question to somebody who doesn't know either. If I was to jump into the Persona game, which one is the Persona experience? - Royal. - Royal. - Yeah, that's why Royal is- - So it makes Persona 5 kind of- - Yeah, yeah, it does. - That's kind of fucked up. They bring out a game that's like, "Oh yeah, by the way, the old one, fucking useless now." - Yeah, it's kind of like,

I mean, that's why I brought up Persona 5 Royale as the argument because I know you fucking love it. But I'm like Persona 5 Royale has made Persona 5 the base game just

- Doesn't that piss you off though? You paid money for Persona 5 and then they like a year later they were like, oh, by the way, Persona 5, but better? - Yeah. - You know what? Atlas take my money. I don't give a fuck. - There are two gamers inside of Joey. One hates DLC, one loves Persona 5 right now. - I hate DLCs if they're not done by Atlas.

- We've been doing that since 2010. - No, they did it with Persona 4 as well though. - Yeah, yeah, they did it with Persona 4 and 3. - And 3. - Yeah, yeah. - And you know what? Every single time the re-imagined expansion version of it has always been better. But that doesn't mean that, for me though, that doesn't take away from the experience of playing the original game either. 'Cause I still have great memories of playing the original Persona 5 when it came out.

But now there's just like an added experience on top of it. - Yeah, I mean, I actually kind of agree with you with DLC. The way I really think about it, right? With something like Persona 5 or like Persona 5 Royale or a lot of these DLCs is the way I think about it, it's kind of just like,

the Lord of the Rings Director's Cut. Do you want the three hour Director's Cut? And most of the time I say no. For most games, I don't really care about DLC. I think the only DLC I've actually bought and enjoyed is the Mass Effect DLC and that's my favorite game of all time. So,

There can be good content with DLC, but most of the time DLC appeals to me if I haven't played the game yet. Because I tried playing something like the Horizon Zero Dawn DLCs. And the problem is once you've checked out of a game, once you've completed it and it's been like fucking months and months, DLC one, you don't care, two, you've gotten a lot of it, three,

a lot of the time it builds on the base game to be like post end game content. And by that point I've already forgotten all the fucking mechanics, you know? And the muscle memory is gone. So I'm just fighting monsters that are like, I'm a beginner fighting monsters that are like 10 levels above what I remember them being. So I'm like, fuck, I've got to relearn this game just to play the DLC, you know?

And unless the game is simple enough, I'm probably not going to play it. And I agree, I would prefer just to get another base game rather than just, I wanna invest myself in like a 30 to 40 hour

of like gameplay rather than just a 10 hour tack on. If I hadn't played the game, that's great. I get 10 more hours of this extra game that I'm already invested in. - It's definitely case by case for sure. - Yeah, I mean, I think the reason it might work for Royale or something like that is because it's just a completely finished game. It's a completely finished story. There is no...

I mean, I say this, but they did make more Persona 5, just not. - Well, they did Persona 5, the fucking hack and slash Persona 5 game, right? - Yeah, oh shit, I just realized I've made my own argument irrelevant because that is just, fuck. - They released the tactics game as well. - They released the tactics game as well. - Okay, ignore me. - And a rhythm game. - I don't have an argument to stand on. - Why the fuck are they so against putting their things on PC?

- What, Atlas? - Yeah. - It is on PC. - It is on PC. - Not Persona 5. - Yes, it is. - Royale's on PC. - Royale's on PC. - Recently. - Recently. - Yeah, it's recently on PC. - Why recently? - Because the Microsoft. - Because gamers like you complain louder. - No, I wanted it like two years ago. - Yeah, I know. - Three years ago. - Yeah, but you have to remember as well that like it took 10 years for them to make Persona 5 after Persona 4. So they are very slow moving in that sense, but.

- In that case, you know what? Atlas has very few misses in my opinion. So it's worth the wait. - Hey, let them cook, man. Let them cook. - Yeah, I'm letting them cook. I know "Persona 6" is gonna come out in like 2050, but you know what? I'm gonna let them cook. It's gonna be a good game. - Yeah, see, here's the thing. Like there is, not just with games, there is enough media out there to satisfy your boredom. If you don't have something to play, there is enough of a fucking backlog

if a game releases, if something like Cyberpunk does release in a buggy form, yes, of course there is some fault with the game developers for releasing that early, but a lot of fault also comes with the company as well for having, for setting unrealistic release schedules. - Well, the company is, I mean, as much as I'm not sympathetic towards companies at all,

But obviously they're just like, all right, we have this much money. You gotta, this is how long it'll last. You gotta get something out by then. And obviously when it's not ready, it's like, well, we either cut the game or we give more money or we push it out right now. And I mean, I think it's just the industry is just not in a good spot right now. People are not being paid enough anyway. So yeah. But the thing is a lot of these game companies make like record profits, which is like,

- Okay, so what's the excuse then? - So where's it going? - Stop paying. Activision stop giving your CEO a $20 million bonus and make a God fucking good game. - Yeah, I mean, gamers are one of the community that I see complain the most yet somehow they keep giving them money. - Yeah, well, I'm so firmly against pre-ordering. I'm a people.

I'm like, "What's wrong with you? "You're the reason why we can't have nice things." 'Cause they know they can release this like shit and you'll buy it. - Yeah. - All right, what'd you guys think of Early Access then? - I hate Early Access. - I hate it. - Yeah. - I hate it. - I know that everyone's like, "No, but they advertised it." And it's like, "No, they released it. "They put it out there. "People are gonna play it "and they're gonna think that's the game."

- Yeah, yeah, I mean, to me early access is- - It's like crowdfunding, essentially the way I see it. Like it's more of a, hey, invest in this idea

If you do, I promise I'll fix it. But there's no promise. - To me, like early access is cyber punks released with better PR. I've never really understood early access to me as I understand it like conceptually on paper, but in practice I'm like. - Well, I think it makes sense, like you said conceptually, but I think it just has been abused. A lot of people will, especially in like horror games, they'll just make a half baked horror game

break in a bunch of money, get a MatPat video. And then they're like, "All right, well, I'm out. "I don't make it anymore. "I don't need to finish it. "What's finishing it gonna do?" - Good old MatPat keeping early access horror games alive. - Dude, it's like, you look at something like "Poppy's Playtime" and like, I was in like Fuji-Q and they were selling

- Oh, the dolls, right? - Yeah. - They were selling fucking Poppy Playtime plushies in Fuji. I'm like, what the fuck is this game that big? - Yeah. - What the hell? - Oh, I thought about, I thought that the first time I saw Five Nights at Freddy's as well. And you could just like buy Freddy Fazbear plushies and like donkey. - Have you seen the Five Nights at Freddy's movie? - No. - There's the making a movie? - There's a trailer. - There's a trailer. - It looks decent. - Really?

- It looks okay. - Shut the fuck up. Get the fuck out. - I haven't seen it either. I need to see. - Get the fuck out of here right now. - It doesn't look like I imagined something Matt Pat would make a video out of. - Five Nights at Freddy's official. Is this just the official teaser? - Freddy Fazbear's Pizzeria, where fantasy and fun come to life. Hit it guys.

- Ain't no way that's gonna be good. - It didn't look as bad. - Do you know what that reminded me of? You know when you log into YouTube someday and someone made a parody of a different type of genre of like Pokemon or some shit? That's what it reminded me of. - It's like Pokemon if it was a horror game.

- Wasn't there a Nicolas Cage film that was basically like Five Nights at Freddy's? - What was it called? - Yeah, there was a Nicolas Cage film that was like- - Six Nights at Sarah's. - It was like Four Nights at Chuckie's. - Four Nights at Chuckie's. - Yeah, I think it was very, I mean, obviously they don't own the concept of a kid's animatronic. - Yeah. - Willy's Wonderland. - Willy's Wonderland. It's actually like, I heard it was pretty good.

- I mean, all Nicholas Cage films are good. - He doesn't speak in the film. - Yeah, there is no bad- - No, that's why it's good. - There is no bad Nicholas Cage film. You cannot convince me that there is a bad Nicholas Cage film out there. - I don't think he even realized he's acting. - I don't think he realized his camera's running. - I don't actually think he knows what happened. I think he just turns up and they pay him. - He's a character in the, what was that, "Horror Game"?

- Yeah, his model, like him as an actor is actually . - Oh really? - Yeah. - TFT. - Ah yeah, TFT. - You know what I talked about earlier about how memes have ruined certain pieces of media? Memes have already ruined this movie film for me, even if it's good. - I want an Among Us movie.

- It's gonna happen, I guarantee. - He said he was sus. - If this is legitimately happening and it does well, they're going to make an Among Us movie. - They're gonna have an Among Us movie and then it's gonna end with, I think, he's Among Us. - Fade to black. - That's how it's gonna go. - It's like round two start. - 'Cause I'm gonna be watching Five Nights at Freddy's and I'm gonna be thinking like at any moment, I'm just gonna hear, "Is that the bite of '87?"

- You remembered it wrong. - Is it 87? - 87. - It's 87, yeah. I got 80. Damn, kind of out of sync there for a second. - There has to be a Markiplier reference. - Of course. Yeah, 'cause I can't believe this is being made. What I've kind of realized is that if something is memed enough, it's actually going to be made. - Yeah, I think,

- Yeah, I could be wrong. I think Poppy's Playtime, they were trying to make something like an animated thing or something. - Oh my God. - Right? - Even though it's, oh God. - Why? - Have you played it? - Huh? - Have you played it? - No. - I've played both parts. - I've seen playthroughs of it. - It's awful. - Yeah, it just looks like Walmart Five Nights at Freddy's. - Yeah, it's terrible. - Yeah. - So bad. It's not good at all. - It's so popular.

- It was popular. I think it's fallen off quite a bit. - Oh really? - Yeah, 'cause there's a flavor of the week horror that always replaces it. There was some other game that came out that was like a terrible version of that, which is saying something. There's always another game that's being released that- - There's always some kind of like hot indie horror game, right? - Is there? - 'Cause I haven't heard of it much recently. 'Cause I think it- - Because you don't follow the circles. - Probably because of that. But I remember, it felt like it peaked for me during the,

PewDiePie screamo era, you know, the, uh,

- No, that was way more like the Five Nights at Freddy's, the size it got to was so insane. - It was ridiculous. - I mean, yeah, even if you don't care for it, which I don't. - There were entire channels I remember back in the day, like 2015, 2016, that were just purely dedicated to Five Nights at Freddy's. - Game Theory was getting like 10 million views a video, which is crazy numbers for that. Like it was, Five Nights at Freddy's was,

- Absolutely massive. - Yeah. - On a scale that I think we haven't seen on YouTube before. Way more than Amnesia. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - Amnesia as a game was never really popular, but Amnesia as like a YouTube content was always pretty popular. - I mean, there are some games that exist out there that I'm like, this would not exist if YouTubers and Twitch streamers were nothing. - Happy Wheels? You remember that fucking game?

- I think this is fun. - I think this is fun, but I feel it wouldn't have gotten as popular if it wasn't for all the YouTubers playing it. - Oh, for sure. - Yeah, "Jump King," right Connor? - No, I don't know, it would have been very popular. It's a great game. "Pogo Stalker" would not have been popular. - Oh yeah. - Oh God. - For a lot of these YouTube videos, for a lot of the indie horror games, getting a YouTube video explaining your lore blow up is,

- I mean, that's the best marketing strategy. - Oh yeah. - I mean, look at fear and hunger. - Yeah. - That's a great example of that, right? - People just love crazy games with interesting concepts. - Yeah. Do you know what thought I had recently? - Oh God. - While we're on the topic of what we think the future is gonna be? - Go on. - Do you think food has peaked? Do you think cooking,

- Okay, okay. Let me explain myself. Let me explain myself. - That is the weirdest question I've ever heard. - Okay, okay, okay. This is Garnt going into like weirdo shower thoughts mood. - No, this is like you doing weird. - That's what people like British people thought when they like discovered curry. - When they discovered spice. - I think food is pink, guys. - Yeah. Like, do you think you've tasted the best thing you're ever going to taste in your life already? - No.

- I've gotten close, I'd say. - What do you mean you've gotten close? - I've gotten close. For a video, I got served sushi from the best sushi chef in the world using the best fish in the world. And that one piece of tuna that I had, Fatichichu-toro, was like the closest I've ever gotten to cumming in my pants while eating.

- Legitimately, I think in terms of food in general, no, I don't think I've had the best thing. In terms of seafood, yes, I think I have had it. - Well, I think maybe the ingredients, well, it's always changing, right? 'Cause like think about like, you're gonna say Brussels sprouts, is that what you're gonna say? - Yeah, I mean, I was gonna say Brussels sprouts, you know, they always find, you know, like remember when we like grew up, it was like a meme that you'd never eat the Brussels sprouts, it tastes like shit. - I always liked them growing up though.

- See, I fucking hated them. And then suddenly over like the past 10 years, it almost felt like people just figured out how to cook them. - I think genetically they've changed. - Oh really? - Yeah, they're actually like genetically- - Not as bitter anymore or? - I can't remember, could you Google this? I think that something's changed genetically and now they're a lot more,

And obviously people have gotten better at cooking them. I think that goes hand in hand with like when they taste better, people get better at cooking them 'cause they wanna use them more. That's why like whenever we're in the US and I see Brussels sprouts on the menu, I'm like, we're ordering these 'cause I know they're gonna be bomb. They're always so good. - If they have the audacity to put it on a menu,

- Every time in Hawaii we ate them, they were so good. - They were pretty fucking good, yeah. - Yeah. Because like, okay, I don't know if I've, I don't know if this is just something like worldwide or just something that I've noticed in my very, very small circles, but do you think people have just gotten better at cooking, period? - Yeah, of course, 'cause knowledge is more accessible and we have tools in the kitchen that allow you to cook things easier. - Experiment more. - Yeah. - You know, like rice.

- Rice cook is a great way of getting perfect rice every single time. - White people will discover how to properly cook rice because of Uncle Roger. - I don't think I'd ever had rice that was cooked properly in my entire life till I came to Japan. - Really? - Yeah, I just, no one knew. - Because I'm probably fucking sifting it through a colander like that. - I was taught to sift it. So like that, and then also, you know, just technology getting better, like appliances getting better, cooking getting,

like we have the air fryer now, like stuff like that. I think there'll always be something. And then obviously we're always playing God and genetically modifying our foods to make them taste better. So I think it'll always get better. - And then we're eventually gonna get to that point like in all the post-apocalyptic movies where it's just like a one and all pill or like a one and all bar. - I mean, I don't think we'll ever get to that point because people- - I'm kind of doing that now.

- I feel like it's already there almost. - I drink like those meal replacements sometimes when I'm streaming, 'cause I can't be bothered to order food and I don't want to. And it's so sad 'cause I'm kind of like mourning the death of food. - Yeah, you're like the one person who like froths up the food. - I love food so much. It's so sad that I have to drink this thing. I don't have to, but- - You're opting to. - Yeah, 'cause it's just easy.

Food's great though. Food's so great, but I don't, I want to fucking, I was sitting in my chair. He's on that grind. On stream, just was like, hey guys, I'm going to be right back in an hour. I'm going to go eat lunch. I just left his stream for an hour to go eat lunch. And I'm like, mad respect to you. I don't know why I'm in my brain. I can't and don't want to do that. I'm like, I just want to keep doing the thing.

- No, because I mean- - I value getting a lunch, a good lunch. - I value enjoying my meal and just having a me time. - I'm watching the news, the dude's like, "All right, well there is more news, but I'm gonna head out for lunch. So I'm gonna see you guys in an hour." - Okay, here's the thing though. Okay, I mean, I have the privilege of doing this 'cause streaming isn't my main job. I kind of see it as a hobby, but like if I'm live, I don't wanna eat lunch and I wanna enjoy my lunch.

Any other office employee can be like, "All right, I'm going out for a lunch break." Why can't streamers do the same? I just went on my lunch break. Why is that such a fucking like, like,

in the world of streaming. - Well, I think it's because like, you know, unlike at an office job, you don't have a bunch of people coming to you, like waiting to see what you're doing. You know, that's like if you were at a fucking football stadium and the umpire was like, so I know we're in the middle of a game, 30,000 people in the stadium, but I really need to go get a snack. So I'm a whole game right now for a second. - Okay, but the games.

- Actually I was like the games are going for eight hours. Maybe some sports do. - Some of them do. - Okay, but you don't stream five days a week. There are some little joys in life that I think all people should have and a lunch break and a nice dinner is just one of those things. - I just would have loved to have been a viewer in that stream, like fucking enjoying every moment of it. - What was Chad doing the entire time? - And then you're like, all right, I'm going out.

- No, 'cause I've literally been on the stream and I'm like, "Chut, I forgot I had a meeting now. "I'll be back in an hour." And I've just put it on like, "Be right back." - Okay, I've done that. I've done that. - That's funny. - I don't know. I'm just like, if, you know, streamers are so, it always seems like they're just addicted to streaming. And I'm like, a part of it is just having a- - You kind of have to be. - Yeah, part of it. - I mean, it's not that I'm addicted, it's that I wanna provide the best viewer experience and me not disappearing for an hour is part of that.

- Yeah, but I mean- - I mean, come on, you're in college. - No, I mean like- - I mean, I don't know, man. You've done sleeping streams. It's not that different. - Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think- - Get the beer back, guys. I'm gonna go to sleep. - An important thing is having a healthy lifestyle- - I agree, I agree. - Around that and I'm like- - Which is like level impossible for a lot of streams. - And also I just don't really care. So I do this as a hobby. So I'm like, if I want my lunch break,

- I'm jealous, I respect it. I wish I had that mindset. - You should try it once. - I should be like, what the fuck? - Just to see how they respond. - Yeah, but I guess like, well, what are we talking about? Yeah, the thing is about food. I was just like, there's been a few moments in my life where you remember that first time you've tried this new dish that,

has not reached any flavor profile that you've like had previously. And it's just like, you know, I remember like the first time I had like A5 Wagyu and first time, obviously it was like, holy shit, this is God-like. I've never tasted like this at all. I don't have something to,

to my previous experience 'cause nothing has tasted like this thing I'm tasting. And I'm like, am I ever going to experience that again? It's have I tasted,

- Everything that there is possibly to taste that's going to taste good, you know? 'Cause I'm sure there's things I haven't tasted. - Well, unless you've traveled to every single country in the world with every single different food culture in the world, I don't think you'll ever get to that point, to be honest. Like not everything you're gonna have is gonna be the most like orgasm inducing thing like A5 Wagyu, but like you're probably gonna,

if you travel the world and you see all sorts of different food cultures, there's probably gonna be one item in the hundreds of thousands where you're like, holy shit, why is no one talking about this? - Yeah, it's just, I realized Japan like spoke to me 'cause when I moved to Japan, that was just one year of just like every month I'm like, holy shit. This is amazing, holy shit. Fatty tuna, all right. A5 Wagyu, Unagi, Sukkoman.

- Yeah. - Soup curry? Oh my God, that was such a magical year. And I'm like chasing that high again, man. I'm just chasing that high again. - It's never gonna happen. Enjoy what you have. - Enjoy what you have. - Love what you love. None of that is good. - No, I'm not saying I don't like good food anymore. It's just there's- - I think Japan has just ruined your perception of the peak of food. - Yeah.

I'm like, nowadays I'm like, maybe food's peaked. I don't know. Maybe I've peaked my food experience. I'm never gonna relive that year again. - I just can't believe you're like, is food peaked?

- That's the thing, right? We've been to, I'm sure Maylin has taken us to some like Michelin star fucking restaurant. And to me it's never lived up to the price point or it's never even come close to being like the best thing I've tasted. And that's true for like most Michelin star places.

- The thing I hate most about Michelin star places, and it's always the fancy places that do this, single worst dishes in the food existence is just foam. There's just an obsession with foam in rich places. - Like meringue and shit? - No, no, no, just foam. They'll be like, "We've turned this fish into a foam, and it's delightful." And you try it, you're like, "This is- - The fuck? I've never had that. - It tastes like a fish cummed in my mouth. I'm like, "I don't want this." You have had this. We've been to restaurants where- - Where, which one?

- The Hesse and Blumenthal one. - No, not that one. There's just in Japan, they do it a lot. I went to one the other day and they had like Unagi foam and I thought, "Fucking hell." - What the fuck? - Yeah, I was like, "This tastes like ass. I don't want this." And then I went to, when we went to that Sukiyaki place, there was one where Maylene took us to and it was like, it wasn't egg, it was egg foam that you would dunk it in. - Egg foam. - And it was gross 'cause it tastes like,

Again, it was like foam. It's like, I hate foam. Stop foaming shit. Just give me a liquid or a solid, God damn it. So that's my rant on foam. - Yeah, to me, I hate the word deconstructed.

- If there is something deconstructed on the menu, I already know I'd rather just have the thing that is deconstructing. - It's a lunchable deconstructed. - That's basically what deconstructed is. - We've taken the plastic wrap away. - It's just very fancy lunchables. That's what you've done here, Mr. Chef. - Isn't like fajitas deconstructed tacos kind of?

- Kinda. I mean, Hambagu T-Shoku is just a hamburger deconstructed. - Hambagu shit. - It's hamburger deconstructed. - Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. - Let him cook, let him cook. - Yeah, I don't know. I like fajitas though. - I fucking love fajitas. - Yeah, it's great. - Love fajitas. - I like it because of the control, you know, the control of...

You can make the fajita the way you want to make your fajita. - I mean, the weakness of fajita is that you are the one making it though too. 'Cause you're like, you've had three fajitas in, you're like, this is great. And then you're like, wait,

I have two tortillas left and way too much meat and veg or the other way around. - That's not your problem. That's the portion size problem. You'd never get this problem in America 'cause you'd- - Or sometimes you share with someone and they put way too much in their fajita. You're like, you gotta calm down.

We are sharing this. You put two worth of fajitas in one. You've got to stop that right now. I am not rationing this. - But that's the problem with fajitas, right? Like you said you like the control of it, right? But it's like, you're not in control because the portion sizes that they give you are already like preset. So you're not actually in control. You're just like, you're in a pre-rendered cut scene. - When I see someone build a fajita and that shit's spilling out everywhere, I'm like,

I'm like, you're doing it wrong. You're doing it wrong. - Yeah, I've just realized why is this just like a scientific facts where when you order a fajita, you will always get less like, you would always get less meats than there is for like fajita patties or like- - Cheap as fuck. - 'Cause it's cheaper for the restaurant. - So goddamn cheap, Garnt. - They're skimping out, they're cutting the corners, bro. - But anyway, I guess that was our food takes in the future and as food peaks- - A view of the future. - All that fun stuff and thank you for listening.

- Hey, but look at all these patrons though. And I'm sure I can see the future of all of you who haven't joined the patron yet that you will join the patron if you love the show and would like to hear more of our rambling. And you know what? You can do that by going to patreon.com/trashtaste. You can also follow us on the subreddit, send us your memes on the Twitter or the subreddit. And if you hate our face, listen to us on Spotify. - All right, well, thank you for watching this episode of "Trash Taste." We'll see you in the future.

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