The Biggest Gaming Controversies | Trash Taste #189
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- Welcome back to another episode of the Trash Taste Podcast. I'm your host Joey and I'm with my fellow cohorts, Connor and Garnt. We're doing a topical episode. - Well, we're gonna be doing a normal episode, which has been a while since we've done a normal episode where we don't come in with a preplanned topic. - We haven't seen each other in quite

- It's been a while, I believe, right? - Two weeks, yeah. We got a lot to catch up on. - Well, you're in Thailand the whole time. - I was in Thailand. - What were you doing? Just catching up with family? - Yeah, had a big family reunion and just wanted to chill out in my house in Thailand and catch up with some friends as well. And pretty much January is the only month this year that I'm going to be able to travel back to Thailand, I think. So I was like, I gotta take this opportunity. But I am pissed off.

because I missed the big Geeks Plus trip. - Oh yeah. - Where all of the company went on this great trip. - Both of you fucking missed out on it. - Wait, what? - He didn't go either. - Wait, what you didn't know? - I didn't go, no. - Wait, you didn't know? - I just didn't, I had stuff came up.

- No, I was busy. I last minute had to put together a gaming tournament. - Yeah, he was too busy being a streamer. - Wait, what? - Was that the Apex tournament? - Yeah, Apex came to me 'cause they had a collaboration with Final Fantasy. - Yeah, yeah. - Right. - And I guess, I don't know how- - I guess you're the Final Fantasy guy now. - I don't know how it all came about. And I also don't know, 'cause I was literally asked like last minute. - Right. - I don't know why. They were like, well, I guess maybe they had like

maybe some ad agencies, a budget leftover or something. And I guess there was like no one who knew both games pretty well. But I was trying to think about it. I was like, I don't think there's many streamers who know Apex really well and know Final, 'cause it's just completely different audience. - I guess you've just got that little bit

the one little niche now. - Since when are you the dude that knows Final Fantasy pretty well? - Oh, he's completed two now. - Oh shit. - Shit, he's completed more than me, Joey. - How many fucking gamers who play first-person shooters have completed like a Final Fantasy all the way through? - That is true. - There's not many, I feel like. - That's the minimum requirement. Have you finished at least one Final Fantasy? - I think you'd be hard pressed to find some. - Probably only Japanese VTubers.

'cause that's what it is. - Yeah, yeah, exactly. - Well, I think that was maybe why the collaboration came about. 'Cause it was like, obviously, I think to a lot of people in the West, they were like, "What, what is a collab?" - It is a weird collab. - They asked me to put together a tournament last minute.

And it like wasn't even, we were trying to get it all done. Like it wasn't even confirmed until like literally like two days before. - Did it go well? - Yeah, it went great. It was a fun tournament. It worked out really well and I think everyone had fun. Got to bring out some people who wanted to get involved in something for a while. And I think people really enjoyed it. We gotta make sure with these kinds of events that like how do you make a game maybe people don't really understand, how do you make it like easy to watch? That's always the tough part.

- Is Apex difficult to understand? I guess maybe to non-Apex players. - Yeah, if you haven't played Apex, there's a lot of POVs going on. It's like, how do you, you know, I think any battle royale or any kind of shooter. - Well, that's what I feel about first person shooters as a whole in terms of like an e-sports. I mean, Counter-Strike is still like one of the biggest e-sports, but I still always think it's harder to follow having so many different perspectives than just one. - Yeah, the perspective swapping is the toughest one. - Right, right. - Perspective. - That's true. - They added the Buster Sword into the game so you can just go around.

and like slash people up. It's cool. It was kind of cool. I think it's actually ended by the time that this episode's out, but it was really cool. - Yeah, 'cause I saw so many ads of it in like Archeobra. - Dude, there was everywhere. - It was so weird just seeing like,

what was it? It was this Cloud Tifa and Aerith, right? - Yeah, they had skins. - But like they looked so different. - Well, 'cause it was like, I think they didn't wanna do like a Fortnite where they're like, "Tifa's in Apex." - Yeah, that would be a bit weird. - They were like, "Let's make one of the characters kind of dress like them." And it's kind of like if, more so if the character was cosplaying.

- Yeah. - 'Cause I didn't even recognize the characters at first. - Yeah. - 'Cause it just looks completely different. - There's a Barret skin that looks really cool though. - Really? - Yeah. - Okay, I think Barret probably out of all the Final Fantasy VII characters probably works the best. - Yeah, he looks fucking cool. - In like that stuff. 'Cause he's already a gun. - He's already got a fucking gun as an arm. - Yeah, he's already a gunman in the game, right? - Yeah, but I think that character doesn't use a gun for an arms.

- So he's carrying a gun. - I'm actually not sure. I think, yeah. But then there was also like material. - Barrett just has arms now, apparently. - Yeah, and there's also material you can pick up in the game. - Oh really? - And like, there's like the little mascot that'll follow you around dressed as Cloud. - Oh cute. - It's like a little Loch Ness monster dressed as Cloud. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's really funny. It's really cool. But yeah, it's a cool collaboration. So that's why I missed the company thing. Which Joey went to, right? - I went to.

- It was really fun. We all went up to Nagano, to this place called Kamisua. And it's basically just kind of this big lake that they have in Nagano. I didn't know what we were gonna be doing at first, but I assumed it was just gonna be a chill thing.

- I didn't realize until we went on this trip and I saw how many people came with us that I'm like, wow, this company is really fucking grown. - Yeah, 'cause you didn't come to the Christmas party, did you? - No. - You missed the Christmas party. - I missed the Christmas party. But so I came to this one and there were a lot of new faces I hadn't seen before. And I'm just like, are these,

all our staff, like this is way too many. Like three, four years ago, it was just us three and Maylene. - Yeah. - And now it's like, now there was like, how many people were there? - And now he was a freelancer. - I was a freelancer. - Yeah, you were a freelancer. - Kai hadn't joined us yet. So many people hadn't joined us yet. I think there was like 28 people showed up to his names. - I think the office was Denny's at that point.

- Yeah, it was. - The office was Denny's. That's where we had our meetings. - It was us three, Maylene and the boss man at Denny's. That would remember us. - I always love going to like company events and just seeing how Maylene acts now because she just like, you remember how she was at the beginning? - Yeah. - And the way she is now. - I mean, there's a big boss now. - Yeah, all she does is just stand in the corner and just look happy seeing her children just interact with each other.

And I don't know if she was like that at the company party. - Oh, absolutely. - But she was definitely like that at the Christmas party where she just people watched. - Oh yeah. - And she was like, "Oh, oh yes, children, yes." - Gather around, children. - Gather around, talk to each other. - She was like Olimar looking over her Pikmin, you know? It's just like, "Pipip!" "All right, everyone gather around, here we go." - So she doesn't specifically do speeches, but for that one instance during the- - I missed the Mei Lin speech. - Yeah. - Oh man.

- She did a speech and then Masa did a whole Rakugo section. So to explain, we have like a domestic guy, a Japanese guy called Masa, really cool dude. But he, I guess like studies Rakugo.

And so he was like- - Do you wanna explain what Rakugo is? - Rakugo is basically kind of like, you know, anecdotal standup, but in a very traditional Japanese style. - Very traditional. - It's really good. Like Rakugo Shinjuu, amazing anime. If you watch that, you'll understand it, but it's really difficult to do. - Yep. - Especially well. And so Masa, you know, being the typical Japanese man getting drunk off of one glass of beer.

was just red in the face. And after the speech, everyone, someone mentioned was just like, "Masa, do some Rakugo." 'Cause there was kind of like a stage in where we were having the dinner. And Masa was like, "All right, fine." He jumps up, just immediately gets into it, just off the top of the dome for like 15 minutes, does this whole, just like freestyle Rakugo. And it was so funny. And everyone was just like, "All right, all right,

- He can spit. He can do Rakugo. And it was really, really cool. But yeah, we got absolutely shit faced that night. - I'm so sad. - The topic you mentioned in Rakugo as well, it was pretty interesting. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. - What was the topic you mentioned? - What was the topic again? - Pokemon animal abuse. - Pokemon animal abuse?

- Wait, wait, there's a Rakugo skit for Pokemon Animal? - Well, no, there isn't. Masa made it up on the spot. So he came up with the theme on the spot, told this whole story about like Pokemon. - Did he do it in Japanese or English? - In Japanese. - Okay. - And he came up with like a proper punchline and everything. And everyone was like, "Oh, that was a really good bit. How long have you been working on that?" And Masa was like, "I just made that up." - Japanese man has one Asahi and he's like, "I am a Rakugo master." - And he unlocks 100% of his brain.

But yeah, and then we had like a little karaoke room in the ryokan that we booked out until way past everything. I think I drank like half a bottle of whiskey that night. I was pretty hammered. - Pretty shit faced? - Pretty shit faced, but it was fun. It was fun. - I heard about the daikon incident. - What's a daikon incident? - Okay, so it was after the whole karaoke thing, right? So we had the room till about, originally we had the room till about 11:00 PM, but once 11:00 PM hit,

we're all still going really hard 'cause we're all shit faced. So somebody called up the room and like convinced them to give us the room till 12 instead. But then after 12, we have to go back to our rooms. By the time we all went back to our rooms, we were very, very drunk.

I think it was Kai and a couple of other people, staff were like, "Oh, let's go do a Konbini run." So they went down to the Konbini to buy what I thought was drinks 'cause I stayed in the room. Instead, Corey, one of the staff members came back holding this, the biggest daikon that I've ever seen in my life. - What the fuck? - Daikon is radish by the way. This white radish that was probably about this long and about this thick, really thick mama. And he just walked into the room just holding it like a baseball bat. - What?

And I was like, Corey, did you get my drinks? And he was like,

- No, but I got you this daikon. - And he just gave me this massive daikon. I'm like- - Bro, you can't do shit with a daikon. - And I'm like, "Corey, what do you want me to do with this?" And he was like, "It was really cheap." I was like, "I don't care. You didn't get me my drinks." So we were just drinking, hanging out. I was sharing a room with Manu O'Hara. And they were in the background with diodists playing magic. And Corey said, "All right, well, we gotta do something about this daikon. I'm not taking it back to my room." And I'm like, "Well, I'm not."

- Well, you bought it. - What man buys a daikon and refuses to take it home? - You bought it. - Oh my God. - What am I gonna do with it? And then Jordan, one of our new staff members was just like, "Oh, you know what would be really funny?" And he grabbed the daikon and he slipped it underneath

because we all had like, because we all had futons. - This is the most like boys trip kind of like story. - Yeah. Girls are like, I bet he's cheating on me. Boys are like, I bought a daikon. - What do we do with the daikon? - The almighty daikon. So he like, he slipped it under Manu's pillow without him realizing. And then we took bets. We were like, let's see how long it takes for him to notice that there's a giant fucking daikon under his pillow.

Woke up the next morning, man hadn't noticed at all until I told him about it. I was like, you should flip over your pillow. And he flipped it over the next morning and he was like, the fuck is this? - So he slept on a radish the whole night? - He slept on a radish the whole night. And then he said, the dead ass looked me in the eyes and he went, oh, that's why my pillow was rolling around all night. - Ain't no way. Ain't no way. - He like legitimately did it.

- I think, but then I was like, was it not uncomfortable? And you know, 'cause you'd notice if you were sleeping on a massive diaper. - Yeah, I fucking know if I was sleeping on a goddamn radish. - And Mando, unironically, he was just like, "Oh no, like I actually really liked the pillow height." Like it was actually kind of- - Bro's gonna go home and be like, "Babe, I gotta sleep with the radish."

- I can't get to sleep without my radish. - Babe, I just discovered this thing. Just hear me out, okay? - TikTok life hack. - Japan life hack. - Sleep with a radish. - Sleep with a radish under your pillow. - It is customary to sleep with a radish in Japan. - This sounds like the Japanese equivalent of, you know, like British and Aussie piss heads when they come home with like a traffic cone or some shit. - Yeah. - In Japan, you just come back with a massive radish. - Come back with a 50 yen daikon. - This episode is sponsored by ExpressVPN.

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people who get sponsored by games or series that haven't watched it. And they're like, "Well, you should sponsor." Joey from "Persona X", he always plays "Persona X". But I guess a lot of the times people fail to appreciate that a lot of the time. So sometimes companies are trying to get like new people in. And if Joey is running the,

I don't know, the Persona 3 fan channel. And everyone's like, "Why isn't the Persona 3 channel being sponsored?" It's like, well- - Because everyone's already gonna play it. - Well, yeah, and it's kind of the harsh reality really. You almost like don't get these opportunities sometimes if you're too into the thing. - That is true. That is true. - There was some news that people were very pissed that XQC was promoting Yakuza series.

- Wait, was he? - Yeah, he got paid to play the Yakuza series. - Oh shit. - I think people just hate XQC. - Okay, so there's that, there's that, which is fair. People were getting very upset. They're like, "Why is he getting it when this other streamer "who streams all the games didn't get it?" And it's like, well, you just answered your question. He streams all the games. He's gonna play the whole fucking thing. - Although I will say, I don't see XQC as a media fan base being like,

This looks like a pretty good game. - Well, he was like, there was like a clip making the rounds where he was playing the game and he didn't realize it was turn-based combat. And it was like, he was, it was kind of a funny, I don't know if you can pull it. Can you pull it up? Type in SQC. - Wait, was he playing seven or the new one? - The new one. What's the new one called? - Eight. - Is it eight or? - It's like a dragon. - Like a dragon, yeah. But it's type in SQC eight,

- Literally the first video is why I think XQC was an odd choice to play Yakuza 8 early. - I mean, it definitely is. 'Cause I think his fan base just isn't, yeah, like look at this, there's articles about it. Like a dragon fans not happy about XQC being used to promote. - Again, another game I need to play. I think that actually came out today as of us recording this. - I think the main issue I think with getting, oh, this one. Yeah, look at this one. - Oh, okay. Perfect guard. Press O, perfect guard.

I mean, I have to double? I can't even understand what he's saying. I'll try it again then. Come on, do it. He's got to attack because it's his turn.

- Oh my God. - To be fair, I think momentarily not understanding something in a game, it happens to everyone. For a moment you could not realize that. I think a lot of people get annoyed 'cause it's like, I guess him, well, he doesn't really do this. Well, maybe he does. I don't watch him enough to know, but I know that his audience,

is pretty much anti, not anti-weeb, but like generally make fun of a lot of anime fans. - Sure, sure. - Who are kind of fans of these kind of games. - Yeah, sure. - So I think that's why it almost feels like a slap in the face to a lot of fans of the series. It's that like, hey, you have these people who are kind of just toxic online and hate fucking anyone who likes anime or calls it dumb weeb shit. And it is frustrating to see that almost being

- I think Yakuza, especially like the franchise has a very much like, I would say a cult. - Oh, absolutely. - Very dedicated cult fan base. And seeing your beloved series being promoted on Netflix

a completely different kind of like audience and like different audience members with completely different values and everything. Sometimes you can get protective over your series. It's kind of like that cut. It's kind of a little balancing act you have to do sometimes where you're like, okay, I want this thing I love to get popular. But there are some points, there are some points when it gets like a bit too popular and you're like,

- Okay. - It's like I wanted it to be popular, not mainstream. - Well, this is how I feel about anime sometimes as well. 'Cause I'm still like very anti against like gatekeeping or anything like that. I think for example, anime getting more popular, more mainstream on the most parts for like,

it brings more positive things to the medium as a whole. - Sure. - But sometimes I see fucking how Jujutsu Kaisen fans act nowadays. I see what's happened to my beloved One Piece fan base who were so wholesome before. And I'm like, oh, okay. I'm very, very happy that these things I'm loving are getting more popular and more recognized.

And then you have like the negative aspect of it. - Yeah, it's getting more popular and more recognized by people outside of the immediate fan base, which on the positive is it creates new fans for whatever that thing is. But at the same time, it also lets people who were probably never anticipating to like this thing to realize that this is a thing and then getting all pissy about it

because I guess they don't like it or whatever. I feel like anime is just now becoming very, very similar to how gaming fandom is kind of treated where it's like, you know, people who are into PUBG have no interaction with a Nintendo fan. Oh, of course. It's kind of like that because it's like, all right, well, Jujutsu Kaisen is

just pop culture at this point. It is just like one of the most well known. - I swear there is a new meme. - Dude, the Jujutsu Kaisen memes never end. They are just relentless and I love it. It's great. They're funny. And I think it's kind of like that now where a lot of like anime fans are kind of struggling to kind of like come to terms with the fact that maybe their anime fandoms are kind of gonna be split like similar,

lead to how gaming kind of is. - Yeah, I think eventually if it hasn't already happened, well, it's already happened with the big franchises, you know, like obviously, you know, you have the one piece fans only interacting usually with just the one piece fandom and like creating these smaller echo chambers, I guess, of like fan bases, which, you know, five, 10 years ago when, you know, when I was starting off, like there was nothing like that. - You could be like, oh, are you watching this? Whereas I feel like the public zeitgeist of like,

Jujutsu Kaisen fans, I don't even think they know what a free ren is. But I also think that like there is this weird genre of anime fans who think that

if they watch like a show like "Jujutsu Kaisen" or these kind of very, very, very triple A Shonen titles, they still think that like something like "Free Rain" is weeb shit. They're like, "That's fucking gross weeb shit. I'm gonna go watch "Jujutsu Kaisen" now where the panda uses the sorcery magic." You know what I mean? It's kind of bizarre. Like it's kind of, I have seen the sentiment on- - There are so many anime fans like that caliber now that just think that anime is Shonen shit and everything else is like, as you said, it's like- - It's strange.

- It's like, we are not the same. - 'Cause I've legitimately seen people who are like miming Judith Skysen. I'm like, I like who then have no knowledge of what like a free rent or a book through diaries is. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Which is so insane to me because this five years ago, this is just, if you watched any of these shows, you knew about all the other big shows that were happening at the same time. - Absolutely. - And I think that's kind of like what's almost happening in this example is that like,

But there's also multiple layers to this. Like I think a lot of people who are pissed off about X stream or X content creator getting a sponsorship to X game or watch along. - X game. - X game, yeah, X game. So, hold on. Like this one it's like, okay, but not to, I'm not defending him 'cause I don't care. But from the perspective of like how these ad agencies work and how these deals work, a lot of the times,

whoever publishes "Like a Dragon" or whatever, will just go to a big ad agency and be like, "Find me a bunch of creators who are gonna play my game. Here's the budget." Just go and find as many. And then there's agents. So now the agents are vying. So there's probably like,

- Multiple layers, yeah. - It's not like the, like a dragon creators went, we want X. I mean, that does happen though. That can happen. - Yeah, that can happen. - It's very rare though that does happen. What probably happened is that there was budget flying around, some agent managed to convince some agency and then that's how it ended up happening. - Yep, yep, for sure. - And I think, you know, people are mad and I think that's fair. I think it's, that there is some justification to being mad that some content creators get to

- Hey, it's fine. The game is out now. You don't want to watch X-Treme, you can just play it. - But then it's also dumb as fuck, 'cause you can also just not watch. - Yeah, that's the thing. It's like, I don't, yeah, like again, like I get why people are angry at this, but at the same time, it's like, it's not like this kind of content is being like thrown in your face where you have to, where it's like TV and it's unavoidable, you know? Like you can choose just,

not to watch this stream. - Oh, also I think the, as this article points out, one of the things people were very annoyed about is that he had been very negative towards these types of games in the past. - Right, right. - Which I think- - So it's a little contradictory. - It's kind of insulting, yeah, to fans who, which I think that that's completely valid. - Yeah, I think so. - I think it's being annoyed about this in that context is very annoying, especially if he has called them trash, which this article is claiming. - Yeah.

Also I want to give a quick shout out while we're on that topic of the fact that my friend is in this game. - Oh yeah. - Sophie. - Sophie, Sophie's in there. - You can date Sophie in the game. - Oh shit. - Also I think is Kason in this one too? - No, Kason wasn't in the other one, yeah. - She's in this one too? - She's, yep, she's, I think she's in the other, there's a bar portion in the game. - Yeah, right, she's one of the- - Oh, wasn't this game? I thought it was the previous one. - Dude, there's so many- - There is, yeah.

- I mean, there's like 10 now, isn't there? - Yeah, what's confusing is that haven't they released like two or three different games now in the space of like a very short period of time? - Well, they've done remakes of old games as well. - Yeah, what the fuck, I'm trying to keep track. And I go, "Kason's in one of them." And I'm like, "Which one are you in, Kason?" - So Kason's in like, sorry, in the previous one, "Gaiden." - Yeah, the seven Gaiden, right? - And she's also in this one as like a character in the game. - Yeah, right, she's like one of the, is it like a Capacura or something kind of? - Yeah. - Okay, okay, okay.

Which is so fucking funny. That's so cool. She's like an actual character in this one, right? Yeah. Yeah.

- Yeah, 'cause Sophie is in this one, but it's like actually a picture of Sophie. - Yeah, sure. - Like it's a dating app, like part of the game. And one of the girls you can date on the dating app is literally just a picture of my friend Sophie. - That's so fucking funny. - Which is really funny. So good on yourself. - That's so cool. - Again, like, do JRPG eaters, JRPGs, JRPG fans are eating so well in February. 'Cause you know, we have P3R, we have Yakuza 8, we got,

- Fucking "Granblue", we got "Fantasy VII". God, when does it end? I don't have time to play all these games, bro. - You actually do not. You actually don't have time. - But I will find the time to do it. - You'll have the time in the entirety of

- The year, yeah. - This is why like, man, it's stressful being a gaming fan now. 'Cause like everyone's arguing at each other. Like you gotta play this, you didn't play this game. It's like, I only have so many hours. - Anime fans are like, first time?

- I'm trying to be a JRPG fan and I'm trying to be a gaming fan. I'm trying to be a film fan. I'm trying to be- - Now you know why JRPG fans are literally just JRPG fans. - Just JRPG fans. - That's just why. And it's like, it feels impossible now to be multifaceted in media and like being able to enjoy multiple media. - Yeah, absolutely. - And I'm trying my best to be all of the above. - Yeah, because- - I go to the movies like every week as well. And I still feel like I'm behind

- But you don't want to spread yourself out too thin. - Yeah, yeah. - Just do what you enjoy. - Yeah. - That's what entertainment shit is. - Fuck the Zeitgeist. - Fuck keeping up with whatever is current. - I had this like epiphany where I was like, no, I think I'm actually a gaming addict. I think I can't stop gaming. Like I think I'm genuinely addicted to gaming. It's all I want to do in my free time.

- That's fair. All I wanna do is listen to music. - Yeah, true. - I just wanna watch anime. - We are same, same but different. - Same but different. I might go out and do some different things. Watch "Has-been Hotel" the other day. - Wait, what? - Yeah, watch "Has-been Hotel"? - Is it good?

- I am not the target audience for this. - Okay, I don't know anything about this. I know the name and the fan base is kind of notorious. - Yeah, I've known nothing about it, but all I see is that people get pissed off about Twitter. I don't know about what, but I see people get pissed off and I don't know what 'cause it means nothing. - I don't know anything about what's going on on Twitter

- No, it's fucking stupid. - Twitter's pissed off against like everything now. - No, but I feel that's one of those fan bases where you hear so often and the only times I hear about it is because some controversy is happening within the community. - Yeah, I have no idea. - I can understand maybe why, because this kind of show,

I think that with how many eyes it has on it and the kind of people that this kind of show attracts, there's going to be a lot of discussions about a lot of things, especially on a platform like Twitter. I came into it because Sydney showed me the pilot fucking years ago. I'm like, oh, that's pretty cool. I'm not really like musicals aren't really my thing. Actually I might,

- I might slowly be- - See, I didn't even know it was a musical. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, okay, here's the thing. It's kind of like, it's selling point is that it's an adult musical kind of thing. Like it's an adult animated musical.

about these characters in hell that want to get promoted to heaven, basically. And that's kind of like the elevator pitch. It's got a really cool aesthetic. I really liked the aesthetic. And I wasn't really into musicals until I saw "Hamilton" with-

"Dilettante Emily" and I didn't like it at first. And then I just found myself continually quoting it every so often. - Dude, "Hamilton" is such a good musical. - It is. - It's like unironically a banger musical. - I don't really like musicals. - I don't really like musicals either. - I'm picking and choosing musicals, but "Hamilton" was go to. - "Hamilton" I think worked for me 'cause it just felt like a meme.

- That's why I almost didn't want to watch it, 'cause it felt so, people were so upset about everything. 'Cause they like it so much, and they were getting so angry about people not liking it. And I was like, man, I don't know. - Dude, the raps are fire.

- I will say that the songs are kind of fire, but they're also kind of funny at the same time. - Like there's this one song in Hamilton where it's a song that revolves entirely around writing essays, right? And they try to hype up this moment where like, okay, Hamilton wrote all of these documents and like, they were like, okay, we're writing these essays, we're writing these documents. We split into three people, right? This guy, he wrote,

This guy, he wrote 10 essays and then everything like, and then he pauses for a second.

And then Hamilton wrote 21 essays. I can't remember the exact number, but I remember hearing that. And the moment it's propped up at this moment being like, "Oh shit, mans can write." I don't know, it's just the right amount of campiness that's- - It's like if your English teacher was in a rap battle. - Yeah, yeah. - It's like, "But you wrote 21 essays, you're weak."

All these like dudes in like 17th, 16th century clothing just be like, "Oh shit." - Yeah. - It's so funny. - So I don't know, like at the beginning I walked out of Hamilton and I'm like, "Eh, it was all right." And then like, I keep thinking about certain moments in it and I'm like, "Okay, that's a lot of it's to come." - It's worth something. - Yeah, so I ended up watching a bit of "Has-Been Hotel" with Sydney 'cause we were both like curious about it. And one thing it made me realize, right? 'Cause as I said, it's meant to be like an adult,

- Sure. - So there is a lot of swearing in it. - Okay. - And it made me realize how weird,

it is to hear, especially like an American piece of media, like a fictional media with so much swearing in it. - Sure. - And I don't know, I kind of didn't like it. - Really? - 'Cause like- - Doesn't suit the American dialect as well. - Sometimes you hear a sitcom and- - What about like South Park? That has a lot of swearing in it.

- I feel like South Park kind of works 'cause it's kids. - Yeah. - In a weird way. - Oh, yeah. - Oh, right, right, right. - Because it feels like- - It feels more crude. - I could believe 13 year old kids wanting to swear all the fucking time. - Well, yeah. I think they're like 10 in the show. - Oh, yeah, actually. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I feel like it's so preposterous and so ridiculous that it works. - Yeah, I don't know, because like- - Well, South Park has its own weird kind of- - Sometimes I hear like, I see like a fucking Guy Ritchie film or something. - Yeah. - You know, it's like-

it works for something like that. You hear it in like a British Irish Australian accent. - Oh, if you just go to the pub in the UK, you hear it. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - It just adds, I don't know, it adds character to it. Whereas, you know, with just a neutral American accent, like if you see like a New York accent or Boston accent, all right, I'm like, okay, that fits. But just like a neutral American accent that you'd normally hear on like a Saturday morning cartoon. - Sure. - And you're hearing like characters say fuck. And I remember there was one moment where one of the characters dropped a C-bomb

And me and Sydney just like, we literally just felt it in our bodies. We're like, oh, we just shut it. Oh, did you hear the filthy language? - That is definitely- - You think it's aight? - So I've seen the first three episodes. It's aight. If you're into musicals, I think that this definitely,

I can't wait for the Hasbin Hotel community to come and defend themselves. - I don't fucking care, dude. - I mean, I don't care either. - I don't think also people who watch on YouTube give a fuck. I think sometimes our clips can find their way on Twitter and people are like, "What the fuck did these guys say?" - I mean, the reason we ended up watching it was because of that big meme of that one YouTuber who paid 50K. - Oh my God, yeah. - To do Hasbin Hotel animation. - Oh my God. - Okay, conspiracy theory time?

That controversy came out just as Has Been Hotel was being released. Like,

- Oh, you think it was an inside job? - I don't know. - Is it an inside job? - I don't know, man. - I think the story probably took up 'cause people were probably very interested in "Hasbin Hotel" and it probably just was like the Venn diagram of fucking interesting, weird story to pop off. - I remember our friend Dee sent me that on Discord. - That was fucking crazy. - And he was just in all caps, he just said, "What is blood doing?" - Props to him. Dude, if you got 50 bands to spend on gooning,

- I think respect. - It wasn't even hardcore. - It wasn't even hardcore. - 50K Dagoon is wild. - It's like a Mariah Carey music video. It was just sensual enough for some people. - Was it YouTube safe? It's just about YouTube safe. - Just about on the cusp. - But it was because of that, that me and Sydney got curious and I was just like, wait a minute.

"Wait, this just released like today as all of this." - That's interesting because I had the opposite effect of that where I watched that and I'm like, "I'm not watching this show." If this is what the result of that show is and that fan base is, not to say all the fan base is like that, but I think standalone kind of controversies like that in any kind of media franchise fan base, when that shit pops out, you're kind of just like, "I'm sure this is an exception, but..."

it had to come from somewhere. So it makes me afraid to like step into that fan base immediately from there. - But I mean like huge props to the creator because the creator of "Hasbin Hotel", I mean seeing, the only reason I know about "Hasbin Hotel" is basically 'cause of Sydney and just seeing like her work of,

on this for years since like finishing art college or something. Cause she's about like our age, I think. - Right. - She started off, I think, I don't know the entire law of Hasbin Hotel, but I know she either posted her work on Tumblr or early YouTube and it just fucking blew up. - Hell yeah. - And seeing like a content creator, you know,

with pure passion work on this one project for ages and be able to sell it to Amazon Prime and still have like a big hand in it. - I know there was a lot of controversies for whatever reason. Maybe they're just getting angry about stuff for the sake of getting angry. But I know that they did, I think when it went to Amazon, they replaced the whole cast. - Yeah, they did. - Which I think annoyed a lot of people as well. - Oh, yeah. - Which is understandable. I mean, that's generally not a good move to do, but I'm not sure sometimes,

shows have requirements that could be like, hey, everyone has to be union or hey, I don't know why. Seems odd, but hey, it is what it is. - So it ended up being successful, right? - I don't know. I watched a musical, I didn't know it was a musical. I watched the new Willy Wonka movie. - Oh! - Is that a musical?

- I've watched the original. I completely, I never think of Willy Wonka as a musical. - Yeah, I never think of it as a- - Yeah, same here. - There's a lot of musical numbers in that, yeah. - And so I watched it and surprisingly pretty good. - Timothy Shalem. - Yeah, pretty fun. - Okay, actually not to be that guy. I felt like he was the weakest part of the film. - Really? - I don't know if I'm crazy. Wonka's a weird guy to me and he plays him as like this kind of,

could do nothing wrong, fun, happy guy. And I feel like Wonka in the original film, the Gene Wilder film is such a fucking weird, you've all watched it, right? - Yeah. - He's such a weird dude. - Gene Wilder, Wonka is amazing. - And he comes off as almost like, not sinister, but like, he's a kind of fucked up dude in the film. - Oh yeah. - Like his chocolate- - He kills children. - Yeah.

- He's a child murderer. - It's like he's kind of a, just an uncomfortable, like I think we all know someone or met someone who's like really nice, but also kind of gives you a weird vibe. And I feel like that's what Wonka would be in real life. Like, you're like, I don't know why Wonka gives me the creeps, but there should be a creep there.

but the cast is really good. - Wonka's the kind of dude to like laugh at awkward situations. - You know, the main bad guy is Johnson from "Peep Show" and he's so good. - Really? - Yeah, he's so good. So many really good British actors that I love. - Rowan Atkinson, Hugh Grant. - Olivia Colman, isn't it? - Olivia Colman. - The actors are really good, but yeah, Hugh Grant plays the Oompa Loompa, which is an interesting choice. - And then Keegan-Michael Key is- - I've never seen that. - Yeah.

- Yeah, can you type in Hugh Grant Oompa Loompa? It's very bizarre. - Yeah, I saw it in the trailer. - It's fucking weird. - I remember the first time I saw this trailer 'cause Aki really wanted to watch it. I did a fucking double take when I saw Hugh Grant 'cause he's right at the end of the trailer. I was just like, that's Hugh Grant. - It was an odd choice going for Hugh Grant and making him-

- I love it. Look at him. - Yeah, I don't understand this choice, but hey, it was cool, it was fun. I actually kind of liked Hugh Grant as this character, but he did strike me as kind of odd. - He's like a giga Chad Oompa Loompa.

- Yeah. Well, he's kind of like a fucking Navy seal, Jack of all trades in this movie for some reason. - Right. - But it was a fun movie nonetheless. Much better than I thought it was gonna be. And you know what? It was dead. There was no, I was just me in this movie theater. - Really? - And it was like the week it released in Japan. So I guess they have no fucking interest in this film. - I don't think Willy Wonka is even like a well established character that Japanese people know of. - Well, here's what's funny is that I asked my Japanese friend, I was like, "Hey, do you,

you do like, do you want to go watch the new movie? And they were like, Oh yeah, I've seen the original. I really like, um, Jack, not Jack Black. Um, uh,

- Johnny Depp. - I really liked Johnny Depp in the original. I was like, what? - That's not the original. - I was like, that's not the original. And then it occurred to me that most people only know Willy Wonka from Johnny Depp. - The Tim Burton film. - Yeah, they only know that version. They didn't even know there was the Gene Wilder version. - Which to be honest, compared to the Gene Wilder version, not that great in my opinion. - Yeah, I mean, I haven't watched, I think I watched it once. - I've actually only seen the Gene Wilder version.

- Yeah, I think most people in America and the UK have only watched the Gene Wong version, which is very iconic. - Well, it's because like, as much as I like Johnny Depp, I don't think he was a very good, I don't know. I think that the Johnny Depp Wonka film just felt too much like a Tim Burton film. You know what I mean? Where it's like, it was so iconically Tim Burton that you're like, oh yeah, I forgot this is a fucking Willy Wonka film. - But you know what was full? I went to watch another movie. Full, could not like, it was,

so hard to get a seat. And you will not guess which film it was. It was "Reservoir Dogs." - Wait, what? - Yeah. They were playing "Reservoir Dogs" in a Japanese, in Shinjuku, like one of the Shinjuku theaters. - Wait, Japanese film goes kind of base though? - Like I'd actually- - I mean, I wouldn't want to watch it. - Even though "Quentin Tarantino" is one of my favorite film makes, I'd actually never watch "Reservoir Dogs."

- Really? You've never seen it? - I just never got around to it. - What do you think of it? - It's funny, I just showed Cynia a month ago. She's never watched it. - It's fucking amazing. - Yeah, it's great. - It's amazing. - But it was insane 'cause I kind of rocked up just, I'd rocked up 10 minutes late from the screening time. Pretty much the movie just started. Literally I walked in as they were doing the walk.

- Oh, you missed the cafe scene. - Oh, you missed the cafe scene. - Yeah, and I went home and watched the cafe scene, which I liked as well, and that was really fun. But I missed the cafe scene 'cause I was late, 'cause I was trying to get, I was trying to buy Emily some early birthday presents, 'cause I found a strawberry thing that was perfect. Anyway, so I was late and I walked in and dude, it was like a mission itself getting in my seat, 'cause it was totally full. - Damn.

And I was kind of shocked 'cause I haven't seen Japanese theaters this fall since I watched Godzilla minus one. - Right. - And even before then I hadn't seen a full set, but it was yeah, insane. Full movie for reservoir dogs in this year. Insane, it was a great movie as well. It was really cool getting to watch

I feel like a film like this on the big screen, I feel like when you watch kind of these old, it's kind of weird 'cause when you watch the classics, you kind of forget that we never really will ever get the chance to experience them in the theater. - Sure. - God, there are so many films I would love to experience in the theater. - Yeah. - Even like something like "Inglorious Bastards" or "Pulp Fiction." I'd love to be able to get the chance to watch. - Oh, "Pulp Fiction," I'd love to watch it in this theater. - On the big screen with a popcorn, like moody popcorn. And it was really cool getting to watch that.

- I don't know why Japan does this. Why do they just randomly, I know this is very common in the UK and America. They often have some theaters that just replay classics, which please keep doing. - I know a lot of smaller theaters in Japan do that for select films, but only with very, very limited capacity. - This is a huge theater. - Oh really? - It's the Shinjuku Wald. It's one of the- - Not the Godzilla one. - Opposite the Toho one.

- Oh yes, yes, yes. - So you kind of walk out, walk down the street and it's huge. - It's in Sanchome, right? - Yeah, yeah, it's in Sanchome. And I go there quite a lot 'cause it's just easy. - Yeah, that's a really good one. - Yeah. - 'Cause they got, it's kind of great. - I saw the Ava film there, I think. - Yeah, it's kind of great. They play so many films and if,

The good thing about that area is that if you wanna watch movies in Japan, which I recommend doing actually, 'cause it's much better than Europe. America, I think America is actually better. America figured out the ideal cinema experience. - Of course. - 'Cause they're like full relaxed chairs. Actually, Shinjuku, they released, they opened up the Kabukicho Tower, this giant fucking tower that's got tons of cool thing and they have their own premium cinema. I do quotation marks 'cause...

- Is it not premium? - Well, it's kind of hard to think of it as like,

they are marketing this as like the giga chad goaded theater experience of Japan. - I mean, it's pretty big. - And it is cool. And there's a section that costs like a hundred bucks. - Right. - Right, a hundred, sorry, 10,000 yen nearly. - Yeah, it's about 80, 70 bucks. - So it's about $60, $60, $70. And what you get in is that you get your own booth and before you get a lounge experience. So you can go to this lounge, have a drink, popcorn is free.

- So it's like a business lounge at an airport, but at a cinema. - Yeah, can't imagine a business lounge. And then you can, this is it, yeah, this is it. - It's literally a business lounge at an airport. - And so you can just have unlimited popcorn and it's kind of small though. And so here's where I, honestly, the sole reason I don't go back is because you can only take one popcorn into the theater and it's kind of small and you can't refill it once the movie starts.

And for me, it's like, dude, I want popcorn throughout. I will buy like way more popcorn than I need because I just want to be going at it. But you get these booths that are,

I don't know if you can type in Kabukicho Tower Cinema booth chairs. You get this booth and it reclines, but it only reclines like a desk chair amount. It doesn't fully recline like the American ones. I can basically lie down. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And I feel like for the amount I'm paying, it's not really worth. - I mean, it's not even a picture for it. - I'm sure it's like premium for Japan, right? - For Japan it's premium. - Yeah. - But I feel like for 60 bucks, it's kind of not worth. It's none of those.

- Those are the basic chairs, which are pretty good. They recline a little bit amount. But this is one, oh, is that it there? Up, no, you have it, two more, one more. Yeah, this is it, this is it. That's the booth. - Oh, okay, okay. - But it only reclines like an average desk chair would recline. Like this, your legs go up a little bit, but no, it's at the angle that's like economy on a plane. - Yeah, all right, all right, all right. - It reclines.

but it's just like not enough to like, you're like, I'm still definitely sitting. - It's kind of like halfway. - And the legs only come out slightly. So you don't even feel like your legs are really being suspended by the chair. You're still like, it's in this weird halfway where you're like- - You're in like limbo. - Yeah.

- This is such a nitpick, but I think for $60, you should be like giving me, like in America, I could pay $20 for a full reclining, godlike fucking like chair that's amazing and I can fucking go ham. And then obviously I have to pay separately for the popcorn and all that stuff. But then afterwards they have this, actually it's kind of cool.

after the cinema, there is this lounge you can go to, a different lounge. If you pay extra for the S tier, you go to the top of the Kabukicho Tower basically. And there is this kind of other lounge that is just like- - Overlooks? - Yeah, there's a giant window and you can just see, I think Nishi Shinjuku Station, all the trains going and see like a really cool view of Shinjuku. - Wait, what? - Oh, that's it, that's it, that's it. - Wait, so hold on. - No, no, no, down. That one, that one. Yeah, click it.

- Okay, I mean that's cool and all but like- - You get one free drink.

- It's an alcoholic, it could be alcoholic. - I mean, okay, look, that's cool. I get it, kind of. But at the same time, it's like, you know, what are you gonna do? Like you just finished watching a film, right? - Here's what I think the idea is. - What are you gonna do? You're gonna sit there in the lounge and be like, so what did you generally think about the movie? - I think that's the point. I think the point is that you watch the film. - It's like you discuss it. - Yeah, I think you watch the, so let's say you go for dinner and then you go and watch the movie. I think it's meant to be like the day.

- I actually like, I kind of vibe with that. - It was kind of nice. - You know, like sometimes, sometimes,

I do not like when you plan a cinema day with your mates or something. - And you all just leave. - And then you watch the film, you like hype up the film and then everyone's like, "All right, I'm gonna go home now." And I'm like, I feel like I've missed half of the experience 'cause the whole point of watching with mates is so you can banter about it afterwards. If I wasn't gonna do that, I would have just gone by myself. - But I banter about it on the way to the station. - Sorry?

- What if it's a really good film and you need like two hours to unpack it with the boys? - Well then what I'll do is I'll go to like a cafe near the station. - Oh yeah, okay, so this one you have to book it beforehand. But yeah, I think you get- - Yeah, what if it's a shit film and you're just like stuck in the lounge being like, "It was all right." - You get one free drink. It could be any alcoholic beverage you please. And then afterwards I think you have to pay. But I think- - Yeah, but I'd rather go to a Nizakaya afterwards and get as many alcoholic drinks as you want, you know? - That's it. - What if you wanna have a hard limit? You're like, "I wanna be around this person for one hour max."

- Then maybe don't go to the cinema. - Well, no, that's why I think like it's a pretty good date if you wanted to do it. 'Cause it's like, okay, you can have the dinner or whatever, or you can just go to the cinema, have the lounge before and then have the lounge after. - Sure, sure. - And then you can just have the, you know, if you wanna keep it. - I'd do it if it was a little cheaper.

- I think 60 bucks is quite a bit. - It's kind of okay value. I just think that I really value a good chair and popcorn. - But from what you've- - I'm just doing my talk right here. - But from what you have described, it's not even that good of a chair.

- It would have been perfect if he had a better chair. - Honestly, I'm not kidding. It's the popcorn. It's a deal breaker for me. The fact that I can't get more popcorn. - That is true. - I refuse to go to the cinema if I know, 'cause during the pandemic they weren't serving popcorn at a lot of the cinemas, which I've, okay, sure. But I just didn't wanna go 'cause if I can't have the popcorn, I don't wanna go.

- Genuinely, I know that's so dumb, but that's part of the experience for me and having to be able to like eat that salted popcorn and the butter. - Do you buy popcorn when you go to the cinema? - I know you guys don't, but for me, that is so crucial to my cinema going experience. - My reason why I don't like ordering popcorn at a cinema is because,

- I don't get any of the fucking soy sauce flavored shit. Like all the corn soma shit, fuck that. - I like corn soma. - It's all right. But like, I prefer like just the regular salted popcorn, right? Maybe with like a bit of butter if you're in America. But I don't get any of the fucking soy sauce flavored shit.

- What I don't like is that, okay, you're eating all this popcorn, right? Tastes great, fucking amazing, but it's also salty. So you gotta have a drink with it. - Yeah, of course. - My tiny bladder can't hold in a piss if I start drinking it. So I know that if I have a bottle of water, even if it's like something this size, right? And I drink half of that shit and halfway into the film, I'm gonna be like, fuck, I'm gonna piss my pants. Which results me in missing some of the film, which maybe I don't wanna miss. - It's like two minutes. It's like not that bad.

- Well, what if it's like an amazing film? I don't wanna miss anything. - I always go and get the, 'cause Japan they do half and half popcorns, caramel and salted. So I always get the half and half and it comes with two medium sized drinks. - I think caramel popcorn's just all right. - No, but I love the distinction between the two flavors that I'm eating.

I love the popcorn. - This man's describing popcorn like a Michelin dish. - To me it's so crucial. And it's really affordable. It's like 1200 yen for that. And like in the UK, that'd be like a mortgage in 15. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. - Like it's like ridiculous. - I don't have a problem with like the price or anything or people who eat it. I just, I personally just don't do it because I know that I'm gonna have to take a piss break in the middle and maybe I don't want to. - Did you guys watch Godzilla minus one by the way? - I have not. - Oh, it's so fucking good.

- I've heard, I've heard. - It's really good. - Does it beat the hype you reckon? - Yeah, it's a really good film. I think that the only thing that I kind of felt like it did a little, it tried to have too many happy endings when it was a really like sad film and it kind of tied the things up a little too well I think. But that's like literally my own criticism. It was a really good film. - Did you see Shin Godzilla at all?

- No, no, I didn't. - Oh, okay. - Shin Godzilla was awesome. - That was amazing. - But it's kind of refreshing 'cause I kind of had felt that a lot of Japanese films for a while, I was really struggling to enjoy and it was really cool to have, it was really- - You know they bring out all the stuff for Godzilla, man. - Dude, it was like, it was great 'cause it just the, I mean, honestly, it's so rare as well to have, I feel like Japanese media kind of just be like, yeah, the government is fucking incompetent.

- And it was kind of cool. - Is that what Godzilla -1 is about? - It was kind of like about, it was more about- - That's what the entire Godzilla franchise is about. - Well, it was more about how in the wake of World War II, how a lot of the rebuilding was up to the individual people and the communities coming together, as opposed to hoping that at least in this, obviously in this story, that they weren't relying on any, they were like,

yeah, the government is gonna do shit, we gotta get it done. And it was just, it was a really cool and like uplifting story with a lot of heartache and just really well told and fantastic acting. Like really good acting for a Japanese film. - It's so interesting to see the dichotomy between how Godzilla is treated in Japan versus how Godzilla is treated in like Hollywood movies. Like have you seen like the trailer for the latest Godzilla movie that's coming out? - Which one?

- The one where he- - Another one? - There's another one. - What the fuck? - Where it's Godzilla and Kong and they have this shot. - Again? - Yeah, they have this shot. - How many rematches? - No, no, no, they team up this time. There's this shot of Godzilla and Kong running like they- - Oh wait, I've seen this. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like they're coming into like a WWE match or some shit like that. - I think Godzilla is- - And from the red corner it's Kong and Godzilla!

- I think obviously there's some benefit to keeping your IP in a certain direction. But I was thinking that Godzilla is iconic and with Stan like longstanding enough where you can have the fucking Pacific Rim-esque King Kong Godzilla. And you can also have the serious storytelling of Godzilla. - Japan treats it as like, you know how they originally did it with the fifties movie, which is like, you know the anti-nuclear messaging, anti-government messaging, all that kind of stuff. And then the West Hollywood was just like,

Big Godzilla fights another big monster and he fucks them up. - But I think that's why it works so well is it 'cause of the World War II setting, rebuilding after it with the anti-nuclear sentiment. - Wait, what is it called? Godzilla X Kong. What is this, a doujin?

- My favorite shipping, Godzilla and Kong. - The new empire. - I mean, Godzilla looks fucking sick in that new visual. - It's sick, it's just a very different take of Godzilla. - You guys should watch "Minus One." - I really want to. Yeah, I've heard really good things about it.

- I heard good things and I really fucking enjoyed Shin Godzilla as well, which is also similar where it's like a criticism towards the government specifically there, I guess their reaction towards the Fukushima incident. I use kind of Godzilla as- - With a good old Arno twist. - Yeah, with a good old Arno twist.

But other than that, I've put like 40 hours into Pal World. - Of course, Pal World, the big thing that has- - Oh, yes. - What a shit show on Twitter. It's crazy 'cause like, what's funny is that I talk to people who aren't on Twitter and they're like, "Oh, I just played the game with it. "It was kind of cool." And I was like, "You know there's like a whole shit storm going on." - I think that's most things nowadays. - But it's making me appreciate how isolated Twitter has become in terms of public discourse. Like there are a lot of people who, I guess,

it kind of felt like news used to be on Twitter and discussion used to be on there, but now it seems to be more so that Twitter is slowly becoming just rage and what people are angry about. And this has been the peak example of that, especially with the amount of misinformation going around. - You wanna know a conspiracy theory that I actually think might be actually happening? You heard about the dead internet theory?

- I think I actually have heard all of this. - That they're all like bots? - Yeah, that's I think 90% of replies and interactions you see online are bots. And the more I browse Twitter, the more I'm like, wait a minute, let me get my tinfoil. I know we had an entire episode on conspiracy theories. But I think this one,

This one, I'm just like, yeah, yeah. The dead internet theory is the online conspiracy theory that asserts that the internet now consists mainly of bot activity and automatically generated content that is manipulated by algorithmic curation. And I'm like, this is...

- This is just Twitter to a T. - I mean, it just feels that way 'cause people you're talking to are brain dead. - I mean, if it had- - That's the thing, I actually like genuinely can't tell if people are brain dead or if they're a bot because I like, how can you tell the difference? - Well, I think that- - We need to do like a Turing test on all these like accounts, bro. We need to see. - I just think the worst change they made was basically how Twitter handles replies and handling paid users to appear higher up. - Bro, when I see a blue check mark now, I'm like, are you a person or are you a bot?

- But it just kind of ruined it and it made it seem that, man, it just made it a lot worse. 'Cause it felt like before when something kind of reasonable or an argument was being made that was more reasonable, often people would kind of be like, yeah, that makes more sense. It's not inflammatory. It would kind of go to the top and it kind of felt like there was more discourse. Whereas now it's more like, okay, you have a check mark. You saying something abhorrent gets to the front or your...

you just throwing around accusations, goes to the top or whatever. - Well, I think the new check mark on Twitter now is not the blue tick. It's the thing next to the blue tick, which is like this account is associated with this legitimate company, which is what we are. Like that's the new one. - Also quote retweets. I think quote retweets is probably one of the, like that becoming a huge thing became one of the worst things. - Well, no, it's- - 'Cause it kind of helped in the start to kind of people who had turned off replies or were blocking people. It was kind of helpful for allowing people to kind of call out bad actors.

And then it slowly became this kind of dunking trend where now it's all about dunking or ratioing. - Ratioing was a fun thing until every tweet was a ratio. - Yeah. - Everyone's trying to one up each other. Everyone's trying to dunk on it. And you're almost rewarded for spreading,

- It doesn't even have to be like something opinionated that you're quote retweeting, but like, you can just like, it can just be like, oh, I had a nice day today. And then someone quote rating with L plus ratio, you went outside. - But like right or wrong, it's just been absolutely fascinating and also super depressing just seeing the discourse around

where everyone is just arguing about a different thing and no one- - No one just calls the bell. - Yeah, so, okay, so- - Okay, okay, oh my God. - So I had heard about this game coming out before it actually got released, right? - I should have prepared a timeline for you. - But I have not played the game. I've only seen images of it. - Okay, so this game- - It's Pokemon with guns, right?

- Yes, for lack of a better word. So this game kind of comes out of nowhere, for example. This trailer starts picking up some steam two, three days before. Some creators start getting codes and people start playing it and realizing, hey, this is pretty fun. And then it starts to slowly gain an audience. The game releases and starts selling like crazy. And then this is now where,

The eyes of the, because I feel like when a game does well, it does whatever. But then when a game does well to the point where people who don't care about games are starting to look at it, that's when stuff starts to happen. Sure. And obviously it is worryingly similar to not just Pokemon, but a lot of games. For example, you open a chest. It sounds very similar to Breath of the Wild. You discover a new location. Very similar to Breath of the Wild. You fight monsters. Feels very similar to Monster Hunter. Looks like an AI generated game almost.

- But yeah, and it looks well, 'cause it's got that Unreal Engine look. - Oh, okay, okay. - It's got this Unreal Engine look. - Unreal Engine 5, right? I think? - Yes, so it's got, this is like, and the problem is because a lot of asset flips get put into those type of engines, so this kind of has a bad stigma, so it does look kind of bad, but it's very, very, very similar to Pokemon Arceus. But then there's some locations that look like they've ripped it out of Elden Ring. There's some places that, I mean,

And then it started this whole discourse then of where, because it was such a popular thing, this Twitter kind of,

And also because you have to remember now, people get paid for having tweets that get seen a lot. - That's the worst. - Which is a hard move, which is probably the worst thing that Twitter could have ever done. I firmly believe that incentivizing people to get views on Twitter and not just like have a discourse, but like actively reward money because then that means people, there's no kind of, you're not like holding yourself accountable for any reason 'cause there's no, before it was just,

it was just your platform somewhere else. But now it's like, there are people out there who have no desire to have any kind of shame or be affected by that. It's purely like, how do I make as much money as possible? And the ad revenue is shit by the way. I got paid like $19 last month

- Really? - Yeah, you could sign up for it. - I have as well. I think the most I got paid in a month. - All of December I got $19. - I think December I got paid something similar, like $25. - So basically what ended up happening is that people would start looking at it and people noticed that it looked very- - Cops just held up with the fact that we're getting- - You guys are getting paid? - I got like $19. - We got pocket change from Elon. - I got one Uber Eats.

- Yeah, it was like two meals. - So obviously you look at these and you see, okay, wow, these look, there is some kind of inspiration. - Sure. - Whether it's plagiarism or not became a huge argument. And that was like the day one argument was, is this copying Pokemon too much? - Yeah, yeah. - Day two argument was they're using AI because the Japanese creator was kind of, was pretty vocal about

are being somewhat supportive of some AI projects. But there's no proof that there's AI in the game. But of course, Twitter ran with it and started saying that kind of stuff. Whether or not there is or not, there might be by the time this video comes out, there might be proven that there is. But the point was is that I guess, and then a lot of people got annoyed that it was kind of being unfairly accused of using AI and maybe stealing, for example, some mesh models. But then there was some...

someone later admitted the guy who had compared the meshes between a Pokemon and a PAL, he had resized or kind of done something. There was this whole weird thing where

Everyone was arguing different arguments all at the same time. And then there was a fan base of people who were like, I don't care what the fuck they did as long as they make Nintendo make a fun game. 'Cause this shit is way more fun than any Nintendo game. And so then there was this argument going on and it's kind of become just absolute shit show where everyone is shouting different things into the void and different people feel like they should defend different things. And the ultimate question is like, does it plagiarize?

but it's a fun game and that's the worst part of it. - There we go. - How's the game? - Done and dusted. - And the worst part is that I think that they are definitely, I mean, from a personal perspective, they definitely feels way too close to Pokemon in certain sense. - I think the only argument that is kind of valid in this instance, at least for me personally, is the comparison between Pokemon games, right? - Yeah, yeah. - In the sense that like, you know, as a Pokemon fan myself, I think

this game being so successful and it being compared to Pokemon, I think is a good wake up call for Nintendo. - That's what a lot of people are arguing. A lot of people are like, "Yeah, but you can say that without arguing." - No, you can't because this is Nintendo we're talking about. - Would you say the...

let's say the feel and the feeling of plagiarism or like, 'cause there's always a question between plagiarism and inspiration. - I'm playing and it feels uncomfortably close. - Right. - Even like "Breath of the Wild." But then again, it's the same question of- - 'Cause I remember this- - Is it plagiarism or is it inspiration? - No, 'cause I remember this kind of discussion happening when Genshin first released. - If you, it's...

if you think that this is like plagiarizing, for example, like Breath of the Wild, then I guess it would have to be the same. It's the same level as Genshin of like, but then like open world games that you can explore, that's not something you can plagiarize. Is it like a very similar style and approach to how Breath of the Wild did it? Yes, I think so. But the same way that Genshin is. And again, I'm not trying to defend this game. - But there were open world games before Breath of the Wild as well. - Yeah, I'm not trying to defend this game,

I think 'cause the Pokemon is way too close. It's way, way, way, way too close. - Yeah, 'cause I'm looking just at some of these pictures and I'm looking at some of these monsters and I'm like, oh, that looks like that Pokemon. That looks like Lucario. There's the one that looks like Rowlet up there. - There's just some things that they did that just baffles me why they did the exact- - That looks like Leafeon. - Do you know what this looks like?

- Like, you know sometimes you're browsing on YouTube or some fucking site you shouldn't be on and you see this ad of this weird mobile game that gets advertised. You know what I mean? - The one that looks like a Pokemon game. - No, no, no, it could be like any mobile, like any weird mobile game. It's like a fucking, maybe it's a league ripoff or maybe it's a Pokemon ripoff.

or something rip off and you're like, there is no way this game exists. And then you look into it and it's just like, oh, this is just a fake build or whatever. - But it kind of feels like the creators have just looked at all the games they like and just taken every single aspect from every game they like and shoved it into one. But also maybe,

kind of copied the style of all those things a little too much. Like I was mentioning earlier, there's some things they copied too much, which I think were just completely unnecessary to copy. Like when you catch a mon or pal or whatever you want to call it. - A mon? - I call them mons 'cause I refuse to call them pal 'cause it reminds me too much of Chris Chen and I don't like calling them 'cause he calls everyone pals. - I think that's a you problem. - Yeah, it is actually a you problem. Like the ball, when you throw it, it wiggles three times. You could have just not done that. Like why did you?

It's like, if you wanted to avoid the plagiarism accusations, why would you make it so that so many little things- - Even just the fact you have to throw a bowl shaped thing in order to catch it as well. - I mean, it's kind of hard and I get that's kind of unavoidable, but- - At least change the shape, make it a cube or something. - And like, I don't think little things like that would have been bad if they hadn't have had so many designs that are too closely inspired. But then a lot of people argued that then

designs are inspired, Pokemon designs are inspired from Yokai or mythology and dragon quest. - Or real animals. - Or real animals even. Like people were arguing that the sheeps look too same to the Pokemon sheep. People like, it's a fucking sheep dog, which I agree with. And I think that, I think you can have the same conversation of,

the sheep's don't aren't a fucking copy, but hey, that Lucario looks awfully a lot like the Lucario. - Well, I mean, I'm just looking at this, right? Go to the top image, like that third one there, that straight up looks like Leafeon. - Yeah, absolutely. - Like it's not even- - Like I think you can say that they copied, they not copied, but inspired- - Even the color palette is exactly the same as Leafeon. - Some of the things are, I think even if there is no legal battle here,

I think as a consumer, you can be like, yeah, this feels a little too close. But at the same time, Pokemon fans are so starved for a good fucking game that I think they are just rejoicing at the fact that they basically get to get the game they wanted. - I agree. - Which is weird. - I think as a Pokemon fan, I think this game becoming successful is great for the Pokemon community because it,

is putting pressure, I think, or I'd like to hope it is putting pressure, until Nintendo sues. But I think it's putting pressure on Nintendo to be like, hey, make a fucking good game. - But I don't think that that has to mean that the company's success is we should be super,

- It's so tough 'cause I think that statement can exist whilst also being like, "Hey, you guys took a little too much." - Well, I think like objectively, like what this proved, you know, is there is a huge gap in the market. You know, there is, I don't think, I mean, okay, people are getting mad because this game got popular, of course. And I don't think there would be this entire discourse around it if this game wasn't breaking records left, right and center. - Oh yeah, if this had fed into security, no one would give a fuck.

- Yeah, and I think the reason this is breaking that records left, right and center is because there is a clear gap in the market of what people want in their video games. - We just won a Pokemon game in Unreal Engine 5. That's what we've been asking for. - It was like put together by a bunch of Japanese dudes and one of them was like,

who was like, oh yeah, I can make guns. And he just made the guns. And apparently the reason they added guns to the game was because they said Americans like to shoot things. - They've been proven right. - I'm inclined to agree with them because there's this like fucking bear thing. I mean, I just unlocked that Gatling gun and yeah, you literally can just gun down these things.

And it's insane. And it's very fun. - I think all the clips I've seen of Power World, it just,

- It's a game that, okay, there's this thing about plagiarism, taking things from different games. It just seems like a game that hits every single gamer instinct you could ever have in one single game. - Yeah, like the base building is really fun. You have a base that you build and you essentially make a factory. - Base building, cute monsters, guns. - And then when you catch them, it's not like in Pokemon where you catch these things and you only use like the six in your party, you make them work.

you put them to work in your base. And like you make them mine, you make them cut wood, you make them make food. - Go my slaves. - Yeah, it's like it literally. - What was this fucking isekai simulator? - You can also catch people, I don't know if you knew this. - You can catch people, so you can actually make real slaves. - You can catch people, you can sell them for money and you can make them work

- For free? - Wait, I think, I think. - Whoa. - Wait a minute, this is gonna remind me of something. - You can also butcher the Pokemon. - Is this plagiarism? - You can also butcher the people and the Pokemon for resources as well. - Holy shit. - I call them Pokemon, but yeah, you know.

- Wow. - Pokemon is nothing like Pokemon. Yeah, I mean, it just seems like a game where- - I mean, look at that thing, that just fucking- - It's a car crash of different genres and different- - And it's also so buggy, it's so fucking funny. - Oh really? - You'll hit an enemy sometime that'll fly away.

And you're like, okay. - How many hours have you put into it? - Like 40. I'm like nearly done with it. I've nearly got everything. But what's also great is that like, you could just have like five of your friends come just fucking ball, they come in the world and fucking chill out.

- Yeah, well, which is what they try to do in the newest Pokemon game. - And you can do like a monster hunter-esque raid where you're all trying to catch this one thing. And it might have like a 1% chance, but you have to make the balls as well. You can't buy them, you have to make them. So you have to like really manage your resources. - And again, that was something Pokemon tried to do with the newest game and it just completely fucking failed. - Well, Arceus felt so like kind of- - Well, even Violet and Scarlet with the multiplayer segment, it was just so like unintuitive. - And the fact that,

that because it's on steam i can literally be like hey joe joe my world pop you're in you're in two seconds yeah yeah and you can join anytime there's no weird kind of restrictions and it's and you can also they allow you to adjust all the settings of the server so if you want to get xp way faster you can do it if you want to catch stuff easier if you want to get more drops right if you want to like creative mode yeah there's like there's like raids on your base you can turn them off

So while you're out, they might come and raid your base to quickly get back and save your base from being demolished. It's really fucking cool. Like there's, it's like such a cool game idea that is kind of unfortunately- - So many mechanics points to walk. - It's unfortunately has this cloud of did it copy too much? And it's, you know, it's kind of- - Do you think most people care about that?

No, no. I think there is this unfortunate lack of caring from consumers that don't care about how their art is made and how it's consumed.

And I think it's a shame, but it's also how it's always been. The consumer rarely cares about how art is made. They just want it made. And it's almost like shouting at a brick wall, hoping that the consumer will care about where their art comes from. There are some people who look at a painting or look at a 3D model of a game. They'll look at this, like Elden Ring, you might look at a boss and someone might look at that and think, holy shit, the amount of work that must've gone into building

must model, animate, rig this thing, must have been absolutely painstaking. And a lot of people have interest learning that. And other people do not give a fuck. And they just think that this thing gets made and it's made because it got made. And they don't realize that maybe a boss character took thousands of collective hours and painstaking work to make it come to life. Like that is...

- Kind of sounds like the anime community, doesn't it? - It's the same all around. - As we have proven time and time again with the animator situation, consumers do not give a fuck how the thing gets made as long as it gets made. - As long as the end product is good. - And it is so unfortunate because I think that

that I'd love for this world to coexist where we could have everyone care about how the art is made. And I think too, I watched all of "Judith Cason." Did I have a moral obligation to not do that? I don't know, it's weird. Like, I don't know where, I don't know what I should and shouldn't do. All I know is that it's bad and that we want it to change. So much so that every single time my fucking little pals are walking away, everyone's like,

"Oh, it's a Mapper Studio in there." That's become synonymous now with horrible working conditions. It's a joke now. What is the- - They failed to realize that's still an actual massive problem that is outside of that immediate thing as well. - I guess that's why it's so hard to really get invested in this 'cause you don't know-

- I don't know what the right stance is to take or what is the right thing to argue for. - Even with what you described with PowerWild, I don't even know what the problem is. Not like I don't know what the core problem, I don't know what like the singular problem is 'cause it seems like there are multiple problems being discussed. - And everyone's fighting a different fight. - And everyone's fighting a different thing and you're like, and at the end of the day, consumers gonna see that shit show going on this one little side of the internet and be like,

"Fuck this shit, I'm just gonna play the game." - Yeah, and at the end of the day, the Power World creators are just raking in the money from the amount of hype and talk. - 200 million in sales so far. The second most concurrent players of any Steam game ever. The success of this game is something we've never seen before. This is truly like on another level. And it's frustrating as...

being like an opposition as well because I want to make sure that you know with our platform and what I'm doing is that we're sending out the right message there and that that we care about artists and how artists make I think it's important to care about how absolutely but I don't I don't know as somebody who is in this weird kind of commentary kind of not in the process but a consumer and a lot of people's

viewing point of how, like where this, like a lot of people might experience the art through me interacting with it in some sense. How do I have a responsible way of

- I don't know. - It's, well, I mean, you know, it's difficult. - How do you talk about Jyutsu Kaisen without constantly having to- - Well, that's the thing, right? It's difficult, as you said, like, you know, some people are obviously going to care about the underlying problems that are legitimate problems, but it's also very difficult to try and convince people on how they should think or, you know, what stance they should take because,

this is the internet and everyone's fucking opinionated. They're not gonna budge just because someone told them that they should think a certain way, you know? And there's nothing, unfortunately, there's nothing we can do about that. - Yeah. Well, it's also a shame 'cause I feel like sometimes I feel like, man, I feel like-

I sometimes have the wrong mindset on this as well where I think maybe I'm part of the problem when I'm consuming this anime and I think that, but it's really fucking good. And how do I change my perspective on that? 'Cause I don't know. Like I'm watching this thing and I hear about these stories and I wanna know how the fuck do I, what is the best thing to do here? I don't know. And how do I change my mind about how I feel about this? How do I feel differently about this media? - I think personally you should,

worry less about what other people perceive you because I'm sure we might've said something in here that would have offended some people, but you get to a point, at least I had this realization. You get to a point when you realize, people look at us with a big reach, but even with a reach are big, we can only do so much. It's an unwinnable game of just always being able to figure out what to do, what is the right thing to do,

about a certain topic. There are some certain topics we know more about. There are some certain topics we don't know more about. What I've come to value is an acting change that I have control of. There are some things where it's frustrating because you feel like it's out of your control and you want there to be change, but there's just no control there. And the more I've realized what I can control and what I can't control, the more like with "Power World," I can't fucking control it.

- I can't fucking control that. - Yeah. - I can't fucking control that. - Of course. - And there is this argument about, is it ethical to consume or not? And at the end of the day, I'd like personally, like if you choose to consume it or don't consume it, personally, I don't know how much of a big difference you can make. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Also we're in the middle of it. So it could be in five years from now, there might be a clear,

- Yeah, we're too far into the gray zone of this right now where we don't know if there's an actual correct right or wrong with anything. - I think the one thing that pisses me off sometimes when I'm playing a fucking video game and someone's like, "Hey, you should talk about this thing."

- What do you want me to say? - Yeah. - I am like- - I'll talk about it if I wanna talk about it. - Like what is me gonna do talking about this thing to this audience who already have already probably made up their mind, have their own personal opinions about it.

I am like the McDonald's equivalent of like on the Michelin star chef world. Like I'm at the bottom of this chain of producing slop essentially. - I've come to notice people who ask that kind of shit to you, they don't actually want to hear your opinion. They are either sitting on either side of the fence and they wanna hear someone that they admire and get validation from them. - Really? I feel like sometimes people just want you to agree with them and say the thing they agree with.

- Well, no, that's exactly what it is. And it's like, you know, it's like if you're sitting on one side of the fence or the other and like I go up to you, for example, and say like, "Hey, can you talk about this issue? Which side do you agree with?" If you agree with my side, then great, the ship is sailing. If I don't agree with,

if I don't agree with whatever you say, oh, there's another reason to hate you. And it's like, well then what the fuck? Either way, I'm not winning because I'm throwing myself into this conversation that I didn't want to throw myself into. That's why you haven't heard anything from me yet. If I wanted to join the conversation, you didn't have to ask me. I would have said something. It feels like, especially with something like Twitter or modern...

It seems like everyone needs to have an opinion. I think everyone just needs, I think the world can actually move on more if a lot of people realize you don't have to have an opinion about everything. You can do your best to be educated, but we're all fucking human. There's only so much we can intake and so much we can,

emotionally get invested in and care about. There are some issues that unfortunately I have no personal investment in as much as, because

in this day and age, it seems like I need to be invested in everything going on. - Oh yeah. - All around the world. - It's hard. - No one person can do that. - I don't think the human brain can truly comprehend this many issues and not go fucking crazy. - Yeah. - Depressed. - Absolutely. - Unfortunately. - So. - It's been a weird game and it's kind of made a lot of interesting conversation. - All right, enough talking about fucking internet fights. - Angry people online. - Angry people. - I wanna talk about real fights.

- Wait, what? - Real men. - What?

because I had a mate come visit me in Thailand. - You went to fight with him? - Well, we might've done with the amount of fucking adrenaline running through our veins. - Okay. - 'Cause I took him to a Muay Thai fight. - Oh shit. - Yeah. And it was actually my very first Muay Thai, like seeing my very first Muay Thai fight. - Right, right, right. - 'Cause I've seen it a lot on TV, but I've never actually like gone out of my way to watch a fight in real life.

And I don't know, something, next time you guys are in Thailand, I gotta fucking take you in one. - Hell yeah. - Because something clicked in my brain that I didn't know was there. - It's like, I just want to kick a dude. - So basically we got like ringside seats to one, it was a Sunday event. So it was like a, it was a televised event. - Sure. - Right. And,

- Watching two men just fucking beat the shit out of each other and sitting ringside. - Why do you think Becky's so popular? - I don't fucking, like, okay, I've seen fights, I've seen like boxing, I've seen contact sports before and it's like cool in the moment and you're like, ah, I'm okay, I don't know. I like it, I can watch it, but I'm not like into it. But like just being ringside and just hearing every single punch

and just seeing the sweats, you know in fucking sports anime or like a sports film where it's like someone gets punched and you see like the sweat just explode everywhere. Like seeing that in real life made me realize

It made me feel like being a Roman watching, like going to the Colosseum or some shit like that. This is the closest I've seen to like real blood sports up close. - Yeah, sure. - And yeah, just,

I'm like a bit, I guess Muay Thai is like pretty popular, right? But it's not as, obviously it's not as widespread and televised as it is in Thailand. And it is just such a fun contact sport where- - Oh, I bet. - I was there and I was like, I don't know if we're gonna see some good matches or not. We had eight matches.

Four of them ended up in knockouts. - Oh damn. - Yeah. - Hell yeah. - And I was talking to one of the event organizers and they were like, "Oh yeah, today was a pretty tame day actually." - Oh my God. - Like, "Today was a pretty tame day." - Brain damage the sport? - Yeah. - Not a single broken bone. It was tame day. - I literally, I've seen so many fucking Joe Rogan clips talking about like,

the brutality of Muay Thai. And then seeing like, you get to a point where there's an opportunity where if a guy gets hit, right? You will literally, you have a chance of getting fucking blood in your beer or some shit like that.

- And your beer? - Yeah, yeah. - Oh my God. - It is that brutal and they go that hard. - There's a bunch of Thai guys just sitting there being like, "Wasn't the same today. "No blood in my beer." - "No blood in my beer." Yeah, I don't know. There's just some- - Bring the poncho. - Yeah.

- Yeah, but yeah, so it was my first Muay Thai experience. And I honestly think now that everyone should go see, 'cause like you went to see the, you got to see Sit Ringside on the YouTuber chess boxing, right? - I did, yeah, it was fun. - How much of an adrenaline rush did you get from watching that? - I mean, it's just intense and you feel bad, you almost feel bad for the people 'cause you can hear all the punches connecting. On TV you don't hear that. But you hear the like all the little noises and it almost makes it like,

worse and better at the same time. Cause you're like, Oh, it makes you real uncomfortable with the idea of watching people just beat the shit out of each other. - Yeah. - That's how I felt when we went to go see the Sumo as well live. Like I've seen it on TV so many times, but just especially that first initial impact of when the match starts, it is so loud. - There is just this like kind of all that I think people and humans just have with

of beating each other up or sports that require you to throw each other around or something. - There was just something in your monkey brain. - That's why a world star is a thing. - There was just something in your monkey brain that just sees two people hitting each other. Like I remember this one fight where there was this one guy who just seemed to be tanking kicks, right? Like everyone in there is hard as a fucking, hard as a motherfucker. I use hard in like the fucking British way.

- The hardest motherfucker. - We went on a day that was meant to be like the amateur fights, right? And these amateur fights, there were these like,

16, 18 year olds that have been in 40 matches. They literally felt like a Bucky characters. 'Cause you see this 16 year old walk in and you're like- - His dad is just, he's been fighting with his dad the night before. - I actually, 'cause me and my mate had a few drinks before and he posed this question to me, right? He was like, "All right, real talk.

- How many eight year olds do you think you can feasibly beat in a fight? Like how, like what's the number? - If they're all attacking you? - Yeah, if they're all attacking you at the same time, how many eight year olds do you think you can beat in a fight? - I think after 10, I'm done. - You think you can take on 10? - You're satisfied? - No, no, no, as in like, I'll be dead. - Do they have weapons? - No, no, no. - Just fists. - Just fists, all hand to hand combat. - I think after 10, it'll get too overwhelming. - You think you can take on 10?

- Because here's the thing. - I don't know. How skilled are these eight year olds? - I feel like I could beat up a lot.

- More than 10? - Yeah, yeah. - Okay, listen. Okay, the one thing that would hold you back is would your hands start hurting too much after punching somebody's kids in the face? - Yeah, but you assume, okay, here's the thing, right? - Okay, what am I assuming? What am I assuming? I'm missing something. - You assume that you can deck a kid and he will stay down in one hit, right? 'Cause that's the thing. If there are too many eight year olds that like jump you at the same time, they're going to eventually overpower you.

- Yeah, that's true actually. - Yeah, yeah. - So you like the strategy is- - Am I allowed to kick? - Yeah, you're allowed to kick. - You can do whatever the fuck you want. - No, they're donezo. - The strategy is- - Are you kidding me? - Can you completely knock out one kid in one hit and how many times can you do that in a row? 'Cause if they get up, they're eventually just gonna fucking drag you

- It's gonna be like an arcade machine. Each one they come to me, I'll kick them into oblivion. - Just coffee grind, sweep all their legs out and they just go one by one. - These are the legs that did the cyclothon. These are big legs. It's like the force of Zeus in this kid's face.

Like Atlas, if you put down the ball and start throwing hands. - That's seen in 300. - I mean, I think I could knock out a kid instantly. What do you mean? You don't think you could knock out a kid instantly?

- Why do I like this is the most trashy discussion. - We're logistically talking about childhood. - Eight year old, what is the average weight and size of an eight year old? Bring it up. I want to be scientific about this. - See that's why I said 10. Cause I think, I think like, - I think I do that 30.

- I don't think eight year olds, no. - Minimum, and then give me a five minute. - I think eight year olds can get stronger than you think. - Give me like a- - This is why games like "Realistic Battle Simulator" are amazing, to answer these questions. - Can I get that in real units, please? - Yeah, no pounds, no pounds. - Because as long as they, I mean, obviously they'd be hitting my balls, right? - 20 kilos. - Yeah. - Bro, I- - 20 kilos lowest. - That's one hand. - 20 to 30 kilos. - Dude, I can launch 20 kilos.

I could throw a kid into the other kids and keep throwing them around. I'd get tired. That'd be the biggest thing, my stamina. - Yeah, that's the thing. - You would get tired. - So what's gonna run out first? The vitality of those kids? - I'm not talking about how many eight year olds one-on-one fight can you do in a row. I'm talking about they try to jump you and you have to like strategically try to take on- - What's my battlefield? What's my battlefield?

- What's the math? Where am I fighting this? - Super Smash Bros final destination, no items. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a flat ground. - I can jump to a platform though, right? There's a platform above me. - No platform. - Literally just flat ground. - It's like a fucking- - Okay, you're in the middle. - I just have to edge guard them and they're done. - You're in a park. - And these kids are like, they're not built like a Baki character, but they are like- - What is happening to whatever our trash stays?

- It doesn't matter. We're talking about real discussions here. - I said 10, right? Because I think like five for instance, right? Is I think is doable, right? I mean, it won't be easy, but I think it will be doable. - I think five is doable. - I think 10 though is the limit where like if there's 10 eight year olds running up to you in all directions, how are you gonna start? - Just think about this. - Can I kill them? - Okay, okay.

- Yeah, yeah, you can kill them, but- - Let's assume these are like not real kids. - These aren't real kids, these are like- - What's the most effective way? - That's what I'm saying, coffee grind. - Coffee grind? - Just coffee grind, sweep out all their feet so they fall to the ground and then just take them out one by one. - This feels like a fear and hunger enemy actually.

- Your foe in the dungeon, 15 kids. - 15 kids. - Armored up with the finest. - 'Cause we had this discussion and he posed me the question, okay, but like, would you think the same if they were monkeys?

'Cause you think about monkeys and they're like- - Nah, monkeys would have- - Nah, monkeys. - I don't even think I can take on one monkey. - A tail's a game changer. - It is. - Everyone thinks they can take on like 10, 20 to eight year olds, but you switch them to monkeys? - 'Cause monkeys can fucking pounce and they can jump very fast. - I don't even think I can be one monkey. - All it takes is one monkey on your face and it's game over. - Yeah, one monkey on your face and it's done. - Yeah, monkeys are fucking strong as well. - Three, four or five times stronger than a human.

- Oh, okay, 1.2 to 1.5 times earlier. - You literally read out the misconception. - Oh, fuck sake.

I didn't read. Why did they phrase the sentence like that with this is not true at the end? - Okay, what if I just like grabbed one kid? Okay, let's say 10 kids run at me. I grab one kid, throw them at the kids to get as many of them out of the way as I can. Grab another kid, pile driver's head into the ground. Presumably he's out by then. - Okay, what if you grab one of the kids by the leg and you just like windmill around? - Honestly, have you tried picking someone up by the leg? I haven't, but no, I'm kidding. If you're trying to move someone by the leg, it's very hard.

- Okay, just grab him by the arms. - It's like I killed someone. It's honestly very, it's much better than trucking. - I know from experience. - I feel like you have an easier time for you like if he's wearing clothes, you pick him up by the coat or shirt, whatever you fucking.

- Just fucking launch him. - Just shot through his ass. - But like if you don't fucking knock him out, he's gonna get back up and start jumping you again and again. - I don't think that will do as much damage. - You can do the cheesing thing that you do in fighting games where you just keep doing the low kick where you like low kick their leg, but you low kick their face, you're like, boom, boom, kick them away. Just don't let them get on you. I think you can do it. 'Cause eventually they're gonna start either crying or getting knocked down. - I don't think throwing the kid into another kid is going to do much damage to either of those kids. - I could throw him into the wall, right?

- You can do any tactic you like, you just have like no weapons, right? - Nah, 10 is my limit. - Yeah, I'd say 8 to 10. - 8 to 10. - 20. - 20? - 20. - God, I'd love to see that. - That's a ranger. - Next special. - I don't think you could possibly- - 88 year olds wanna get beaten up? Contact Trash Taste.

- If it was 10 year old, it'd be a lot less, but eight year old, that's pretty short. - What's the difference between those two years? - Can you show a comparative age and picture? Eight year old versus adult. - Eight year old versus 10 year old. - Eight year old versus adult size. Just so, 'cause like eight year olds are pretty small. - I think they're pretty- - 10 year olds, they grow through growth spurs. - Eight year olds are small, but- - I don't think you get a growth spurt at age 10. - Oh, it's a pretty big difference. - Really?

- Bro, that is- - That's actually pretty big. - That's pretty big. - That's pretty big actually. - You can take on 20 of them. - Okay, 10, 10, 10. - Yeah, right? That's what I'm saying. - I think you're thinking about toddlers at this point. - I think you're thinking like five year olds. - Yeah, five year olds are gonna take like 50. - Yeah, five year olds, okay. Yeah, five year olds. - Okay, 10 year old, do 10 year old. - Yeah. Average height of a 10 year old boy. - So I think 10 year old, they start to grow a lot.

- More? - 138 centimeters. - Can you show an image maybe? - 140 centimeters. - Yeah, I feel like I would, yeah, maybe I'm overzealous. - 32 kilos, 140 centimeters. - Yeah. - So what's that like, maybe about that?

- That's pretty big. - That's pretty, yeah. - I think- - That's like almost Connor size already. - If one of them gets a good, wow. If one of them gets a good nut shot on me, it's game over, you know? So I kind of have to be- - They are at perfect nut height as well. - How did this conversation come about? - Because we were seeing how many fucking shots these kids were tanking. - How old are they? - Huh? - They're like 16. - 15, 16 and up to 18. And I'm like,

- What? Because you could hear the impact of every thud. And sometimes people were getting obviously hit in the face, they can tank it in the face, but it was like the body shots, right? Because with Muay Thai, 'cause I've done a bit of Muay Thai

- When you do a kick, it's almost like it's the same power as just getting a baseball bat. - Well, it's like, 'cause they like whip their feet, right? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Like it's almost like a whip motion. - You whip your feet and you hear this impact and it literally sounds like someone just took a baseball bat and just fucking tried to crack their rib. - That is real, they whip. - Visualize all the little bones in your body to make a whip.

- Yeah, and I remember this one fight where this guy just, which always, which I guess comes down to like the mental game as well. This one guy just seemed to be tanking kicks and it did not seem to be affecting him at all. - Oh no. - Yeah, to the point where like you could visually see how red his body was, right? You could see it and we were like, what, how the hell is he still standing? And like,

And he looked unfazed. He looked unfazed. And all it took was like one kick in the fourth round. And it wasn't even the hardest kick, but he just like,

he just fucking fell over, went limp. And I'm like- - Hanayama cold exists. - Normally you can't just take kicks for free. There's a reason why. - Yeah. - It's a dodge. - Yeah. I mean, it's a bit sad because we went to like a very local stadium and normally, you know, this stadium was famous for being able to, all the local Thai people coming to watch, but it has,

- Very much been transformed to be more foreigner friendly. The ticket prices is not anything that the locals can afford, unfortunately. But it was funny because they had like, whenever they'd introduce fighter, they'd have like a tie announcer and they'd have like a typical English speaking announcer as well.

And the Thai announcer was like, Thailand we are like very respectful country. We're like, okay, so the next fighter is this person. He grew up from this province, his name is this. - How come they're really respectful here, but then when I'm trying to get in a taxi, it feels like there's just nothing but disrespect. - When it comes to martial arts, that's where- - Is that where all the respect went? What the heck? - That's called xenophobia. - No, no, no, no, no, no.

- They're nice, they're just hustle. - And then you hand it over to like the foreigner and he's like, "I'm coming in to the red corner."

- The man from Thailand. - We love the shows with fighters. - It's just like the sheer dichotomy between the energy between how the Thai fighters. - It's Monday, Monday, Muay Thai night. - But like this one fight that stood out to me, it wasn't anything actually to do with the fight, right? Because there was this one fight where it was,

It was, I guess, I think this kid was like 16 or something like that. And imagine it, it's a packed stadium, right? It's a packed stadium. Everyone's cheering on every single hit, every punch. And this one voice just pierces through everything. And it's the kid's mom.

- Oh no. - And Jesus. - Me and my mate had bets on which fighter would win. And I bet against that kid, right? And then just seeing the mom, just seeing the mom and I listened, he was like, "No, no, no, hook left, hook left. Give him up a gut, up a gut.

No, dodge, dodge. And just like- That would drive me insane if my mom was back sitting in the boxing match. It almost made me fucking tear up because just seeing the mom just support. I can't imagine how it is as a parent, seeing your kid in the ring getting beat up, man. Must be horrible. And just seeing the mom just fully commit to supporting this kid who thankfully actually won his fight in the end. Yeah, nice. Yeah, fuck the other kid and his mom.

- His mom wasn't there. - That's why you should always go to your sons or daughters games 'cause they'll win. - Exactly. - Power of parents.

- They will win and if you can hear them, I don't know if the kid could hear the person or not because I can't imagine how focused you need to be on the ring. - And I can probably have like a raging bull moment where he's just like, he heard the mom, he's like, "I have to do it for my family." - Damn, that was epic. - I highly recommend going to more contact sports. I think I'm going to do it now as well. - Well, we know what we're doing next time we're in Thailand. - Yeah. - Hell yeah. - And how many eight-year-olds can we be in the fight?

- I said 10, you said eight. - I'll say 11, just to one up Joey. Just to one up Joey.

- Thank you so much for watching, appreciate it. Don't forget to buy the merch while you still can. It's the last opportunity to grab it. We will not be bringing it back. - For some reason, this is the one day that Connor decided not to wear his lovely shirt. - I thought we weren't doing a topical episode this week. I didn't know we were gonna be doing a fast release episode. So my bad, I would have worn the shirt if I'd have known. But you can get it, your last chance ever to get a Connor shirt. - It's your last chance, it's Connor's last chance as well. - Might not be ever actually. - This is no joke.

But when we decided that we were bringing this, you know, the OG Apari run back, Connor literally said in our Slack,

Can I get 30 of those shirts please? - Yeah, ask for 30 of them. - Can I get 30? - I'm getting 30. I thought, I put 20 when I sat there and I put, and I removed it. - He's literally trying to do a B movie in real life. - Yeah, I'm gonna have all of the t-shirts in my collection. - Do you know what that energy reminded me of? Have you watched "Parks and Recs" at all or any? - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, you know that there's this clip where, is his name Ron Swanson? - Yeah, Ron Swanson. - Yeah, where Ron Swanson

and he goes, "Give me all of the bacon that you have." The guy walks away and he goes, "No, no, no, no, no, come back. I'm afraid you misheard, give me a lot of bacon." What I said was give me all of the bacon.

And that's the same energy I felt when Connor was like, I want 30 shirts. And he goes, no, no, no, really? I want 30 shirts. - Not around 30, I want 30. - I want 30. I'm telling you, I've worn out my current shirts too much. I do wanna throw them away or I might give them away. Because there's holes in them and the neck has been ruined. So I kinda just wanna get a new shirt. - So do you want that shirt among all these

- It's your final chance. - It's your final chance, so get it now. But hey, look at all these patrons though. - Look at all that. - I'm sure, let us know in the comments how many eight year olds you can beat up, 'cause I'm curious. - We should poll our patrons, see how many. - Yeah, poll the patrons. - What is the optimal strat? Please, please give us what your strat would be.

to take on as many eight-year-olds as possible. - Thanks so much for watching. - Yeah, but hey, if you wanna support us, then make sure to go to our Patreon, patreon.com/trashtaste. Also follow us on Twitter, send us memes on the subreddit. If you had a faceless toss on Spotify and hey, we have a brand new patron exclusive video up right now as well. So go check that out. But anyways, boys, thank you guys for joining in and we will see you all next week. - Bye.

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