Saying Goodbye to a Legend | Trash Taste #196
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- Alrighty. - Okay. - It's like Jim Carrey. - Yeah, that's what I was trying to emulate there. - What is that on the other? - A bug? - Oh, it's a cockroach. - Ew. - It's a dead cockroach. - It just died on our set. - What? - It's been- - It's a crusty little cockroach. - Oh, what the? - Oh, I get to do the thing that my dad does. - Joey!

- Joey! - Oh, it didn't pop. - Ew, dude. - What are you, Mei Lin? - I love that sound. - Are you proud of me, Dan? - Wait, why is there a cockroach on our set? - What the f-- - What the f-- - Oh, it just popped. - Oh my God. - Oh, you're wrong. - Oh my God. That brings up many questions. Number one, why are there cockroaches in our studio? Number two, why is there a dead, how did the cockroaches die randomly? - They just died under our set. - Yeah.

- It died of cringe.

- They looked at us and it was like cringed. - I thought they were like impervious to everything. - Yeah, except for the trash tastes there apparently. - That's vile. - I just looked at it and I was like, what? - If you'd never said so, I wouldn't have noticed, thank you. - What the ? - How stinky are your feet, Joey? - My feet are off. I'm bringing my feet up here for this episode. - That's a cockroach. Actually, that was a big cockroach for Japan. - Yeah, that was- - Usually like this big. That reminded me of home. - I just don't like them.

- They're pretty clean. - Yeah, they clean themselves all the time. - Hello to everyone watching while eating right now. What a way to start off this episode. - Welcome back to another episode of Trash Taste. I'm Connor joined by the boys once again, Joey and Garnt. - Hello. - How you guys doing? - We are not stinky boys. We have a clean set. We have a clean office. - Is the cockroach the cold open? - Yeah, it's gotta be. - How can we top that? - That was such a...

- That was horrible. - I would have never noticed until you said so. - I don't like that at all. That makes you feel nasty inside. - Well, I mean, to be fair, our studio is a bit of a mess right now. - Yeah, it's a cockroach heaven. - It's a bit of a bombshell. So there's probably a ton more where they came from. - Well, hopefully we don't ever find anymore. - Yeah, we're doing the fucking Asmongold experience. - Oh God.

- No, I'll never be that bad. - There's a clip of him where he throws a cockroach off himself. - Yeah, he's live streaming and then the cockroach is just like falling all over him. - So gross. - So no, we're like a step above that. We have dead cockroaches actually. They're not alive anymore. - No, it's even bad. They've died from our filth. How can it even be messy? We've never had one before.

- As far as you know. - Yeah, I guess so. - We might flip over a rock and there's just a ton of them. - Have you found any in your place? I haven't found any in my place. - No, not right now. - I have, but you are not near the ground floor at all. - No. - Oh, that's true. - Yeah, I remember 'cause in my old apartment, I lived on the eighth floor. Didn't have to worry about that shit. Got no bugs, no nothing.

And now I live in like on the ground floor and I'm like, oh, it's like, there's so much shit you have to worry about. - Immediately more threats. - Yeah, immediately more threats, more points of entry as well. - Yeah, 'cause you guys are gonna get those mosquitoes in this.

- Yeah, yeah. - That's why we travel out. - Yeah, just leave the country. - Yeah, just leave the country. Hi, America. - Have money and leave. - Hi, hi, Anime Expo. Yes, this is my yearly routine now. - What a privileged solution to mosquitoes. - Just leave. - Just leave. - Just leave. - Just not, don't be there. Just drop some money on a plane ticket and just leave.

But yeah, today we are recording a topical episode. Topical just means that we recorded it at a timely manner. Because normally Trash Taste is recorded a week or two at minimum in advance just because of how our lives work. But this one we're recording days before. And we actually haven't been able to record much of...

A lot of the episodes we've recently recorded have been guests or they've been themed. So we haven't really had the chance to talk about anything current ongoing. And obviously the really big news, unfortunately, is Tori Alma passed away. Probably like two, three weeks ago by the time of this recording. Yeah, I mean, I remember. And a lot of people wanted us to talk about it.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And obviously that's not why we're talking about it, we're talking about it 'cause we wanna talk about it. - We wanted to talk about it anyway, but at the exact moment we found out, I don't know why this keeps happening because this has happened twice now, which is weird that it's happened twice.

a well-respected monk who we all respect and we find out with each other during some kind of recording. 'Cause I remember when Miura passed away, we were at a Netflix shoot and then I had just gotten out of the toilet and then Joey goes, "Fucking hell, I think Miura just like passed away."

And then same thing with Toriyama this time. I was like- - Kinda ruined the recording for the rest of the day. It's been all downer. - Yeah, yeah. And then we're about to record a Trash Taste episode or something like two weeks ago.

- And then found out Toriyama passed away. - Found out Toriyama passed away. - First day of the month, right? So yeah, first of March, I believe. - Yeah, but it was announced on the 8th, I believe. - 'Cause I think they'd already done the funeral service, I think. They did like a private funeral service. - Which I think is the right way to go about it. - Yeah, I agree. - I was like, too many times, I think like celebrities get passed away straight away and then it becomes like this whole news thing for,

Anyone in their personal lives and personal family can like mourn about it as well. But I mean, yeah, my timeline was just completely stacked, obviously as it would with Toriyama and his legacy.

And what a legacy as well. Jesus Christ. - I mean, it's reflected by just how many people were talking about it and were affected by it. I mean, like I've never seen the internet collectively mourn. - I mean, you know, the fact of the matter is that like, obviously, you know, Dragon Ball was such a massive part of everyone's lives. Like regardless of like, you know, if you're like from our generation or older or younger and stuff like that. But it's also the fact that like he did so much more.

than Dragon Ball as well. Like, you know, he did, you know, character designer for like some of the best JRPGs ever created, like Dragon Quest and like Chrono Trigger. And like, that's just like one tiny thing that he did, you know? And it's going to be interesting to see because the Dragon Ball Super,

- Manga is still currently serializing, I believe. - It is? - I believe so. - Oh wow. - But Toriyama didn't write it. I believe he just supervised it. Correct me if I'm wrong, comments, which I'm sure you will anyway. But yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see if that's gonna like just get abruptly cut or if they're going to do kind of like a mirror thing and just kind of go as far as they can with the notes that he left.

- I mean, there's been a lot of Dragon Ball media that has existed outside of Toriyama as far as I know. - Did you see one that I thought was very bittersweet was the fact, oh, okay. So it says Dragon Ball Super could be reaching the conclusion soon. Okay, well, I mean, obviously that makes sense. Well, one thing I did see that was kind of bittersweet was apparently the, I forgot the guy's name, the main actor who played Goku in the live-action

- Oh yeah, that's pretty good. - Wrote a public apology to Toriyama and his family. - Wait, he did? - Yeah. He wrote a public apology to Toriyama and his family being like, "I am so sorry for this movie. I did not know that happened."

- Let's go behavior man. - Yeah, pays tribute by apologizing for Dragon Ball Evolution. - Wrote an apology letter. - He said, "Sorry we messed up." - Yeah, he's like, "Sorry we messed it up so badly." - Holy shit. - There's also, I think the government of El Salvador did a statement saying- - Really? - Yeah, dude. I mean like, Goku is bigger than anything in Latin America.

- Yeah. I mean, Dragon Balls were known worldwide and I think that it was also really cool in a sense 'cause the modern way of communicating for the Gen Z and Gen X, whatever they're called, is memes. And seeing all the memes made out of love was really cool as well. - Yeah. - People were just expressing their jokes about Dragon Ball. - It was legitimately one of the first times even

the internet collectively came together on a toxic as shit platform like Twitter and was like, for today guys, no toxicity. Only wholesomeness for the goat. And I was like, God damn. - I mean, you would like to think

you would like to think what the entire industry would be like without Toriyama's influence because Dragon Ball inspired not only like a generation of people, but even like a generation of like artists and has changed

anime and manga forever. It's insane. - For a lot of people outside of like Japan, like Dragon Ball was the show that put anime on the map. So many people had no freaking clue what anime even was until they saw and fell in love with Dragon Ball on like the Saturday morning cartoons. And was like, oh, this is what anime is. And that's...

like super impressive to do. - Yeah, and just like, you know, the influence that Goku has, you know, the entire cast of Dragon Ball has had on just, you know, I think we like to,

I don't know if we downplay or if we just don't think about the effect that seeing characters like Goku can have on our childhood and just like shaping our morals and like, you know, teaching us to be good people. I think that's part of the reason why superheroes are characterized the way they are. A lot of the times we see these characters as a kid

And we don't think about it too much because we're just like developing our young minds. But I remember like being a kid, I was like, you know, if Goku can be like this, if Goku can be a good person, then I should be a good person as well. - Totally. - And I think just seeing that influence, you know,

planting that seed as we were a kid and just seeing is grow up to try to be like the best people we can be just shows how much of an influence just one person can have on a piece of fictional media. And I think it's insane. - I did just remember, actually, I feel like I gotta look it up, but like the one that almost like legitimately made me cry was,

- Oda's message? - Oh, Oda's message. Holy shit. Yeah, that one piece. He wrote like a morning letter, like a letter of respect towards Toriyama. And like, it's like a full paragraph of like, you know, him saying like, you were one of the biggest influences for me growing up and you were the one who inspired me to draw and all that. And that final line that he writes in this letter, everyone on the internet was just like, God damn it Oda. Why did you have to say it like that?

Oh yeah, he said, "I hope heaven is as delightful as you imagined it in your manga." And I'm just like, bro. - I saw like a, what's his name? Aisheel21 author.

- Murakami. - Murakami, yeah, Murakami gave a message as well, it was really nice. - Yeah. - I mean, there was so, I mean, you know. - That was so cool. - There was a, I think, I don't remember if I saw, I don't know if this was official or not, or if someone just like kind of collected it over time, but I did see on Twitter of like a bunch of manga authors drawing Goku in their respective styles and just like- - Gintama author, I thought. - The Gintama author did it, yeah, Oda did it, Kishimoto did it, and it's just like,

- It just goes to show like, you know, these goats like, you know, looked up to a dude like Toriyama and that if that doesn't show you just how much of an impact this guy made on the world of manga, then I don't know what else could, you know? - I saw some people getting angry when they, I did a tweet and I was like, oh, I just said bro. 'Cause I was like, oh my God, I can't believe you passed. And people were like, you don't even like Dragon Ball. And I'm like, well,

I don't think you have to like Dragon Ball, like any of the media to not appreciate the impact that a man like Toriyama had. I think it's not hard to appreciate that everything you like has probably been somewhat, especially if you're an anime fan or an attacker, in some way, even video games, right? It's all tangentially all been inspired by this one great piece of work and also other works as well. - Yeah.

I think that's just part of the internet being like, well, you want a super fan. So you're not allowed to, sometimes you feel. - To me, I don't see it as, I think it's just, everyone deals with their grief in a different way. And I think if when they're, some people who are super fans and they really love something, they're like, it's so dear to them. And I think it's just a way of like lashing out in a sense like, man, and it's pathetic.

but like I understand where it comes from, right? You're like really fucking devastated about this. - Yeah. - And you feel that like, hey, this guy didn't connect with it the same way I did, the same piece of media the way I did. I don't feel like it's fair that he's like mourning in a sense. - Yeah, but I think- - It is like a petty way, but I can understand where it's just a lot of emotions, man. People are sad, people are very sad and they're grieving. - Yeah, but I think, you know, just because you're not a fan of something, it doesn't necessarily mean

- It's petty. - You're not allowed to mourn. - 'Cause I feel like there's like a fine line between someone who, paying respects to someone who definitely deserves it like Toriyama and we have not been able

been shy of clowning on. - I've clowned on Dragon Ball more than anyone. - Yeah, clowning on Dragon Ball one, especially like clowning on Dragon Ball fans. We have had a history of doing that. - We've made fun of Dragon Ball fans so much. - We've more so than not clowned on the fans than the actual show, I feel. - Yeah, but I think it's just being a fucking adult to be like, hey, you can still respect what this person has done.

- Totally. - Even though, even if there are people who have connected with the media more than you have. And you know, a lot of people see that on the internet and they're like, oh, you're faking it. You're just, oh, you're two faced. - Yeah. - Because you have had this, like, you know, you've had this,

that you've portrayed your opinions of this work and the fan base and now you're like suddenly 180. Well, no, sometimes people can just want to not be a fucking asshole. - Yeah, I think regardless, if someone passes, it's a hard thing to process regardless, even if you know them or didn't know them or like any kind of aspect of that and I think you'd be sad about it. And yeah, I...

There's a lot to unpack. But I think that even if you, the fact that we feel comfortable enough in the past to make fun of the fan base is like almost a compliment to the size of the impact, right? Like if it was, you know, it's not fun to make fun of Seven Deadly Sins fans anymore 'cause they're all non-fans.

- There is no seven deadly sins fans. You know what I mean? - Like, you know, if, you know. - Like I think in a sense, like being able to like have that funny discourse and banter, then it's all jokes, right? It's all, we all make fun of each other for being fans of different media. And I think that just, again, it's another aspect that speaks to the impact of it

but so many people, the fan base is so dedicated. - I mean, making fun of seven deadly sins fans now, it's just like punching a- - It's punching down too much. - It's like punching a disabled puppy at this point. It's just like, yo, they've had enough L's man. It just feels bad. - Why did the puppy have to be disabled? - I don't know. - Was punching down on the puppy not enough? - You could have just said child.

- So you're also saying it like a disabled puppy. - I don't know. - You're like, "Oh yeah, you used to park over there." - I was like, "A puppy just ain't bad enough." - We really have to drive home the fact that this thing is truly helpless. - Look, look, it just, at this point, it was fun at one point. - That's something I would say. I'm surprised you came out with that. That's a me comment.

- I just like just seeing every new seven deadly sins adaptation. I'm like, oh, you know, is it even fun to clown on them anymore? - No, no, no. - It's just being a dead horse. - All right, let's just go back. Let's just go to Jujutsu Kaisen because they deserve to be clowned on. - This puppy isn't disabled. - The moment that I found out about "Torrent Passing" it just made me, 'cause I've been wanting to play Chrono Trigger for so long and now I'm like, okay, now I gotta do it.

- I mean, it's sad to think now that we'll never get a Chrono Trigger remake now because of this, but I did in this past week, I did replay Chrono Trigger. - You did? - Yeah. - Oh yeah? - 'Cause I had to. - I really wanna play it. - I really wanna play it as well. - It's one of my favorite JRPGs of all time and his character designs are just so goddamn good in that. That yeah, I was just like, this is the best way I can pay respects to Toriyama and

I've played that game maybe 10, 20 times at least. Still goaded. Still an amazing experience. - Yeah, I'd need to play it as well. It's one of the best JLPGs, as you said. - It is, yeah. - And everyone says that as well.

- Yeah, I don't know. I'm gonna have to try and find time to go and play it as well. - Another 20 hours. - Another 20 hours. I've played too many JRPGs. - This has been the month for JRPGs, man. - The month more like the fucking year or two years. - So far, yeah. - Jesus Christ. - I'll say to Garnt earlier before we started the podcast, I finished three JRPGs in the past month.

- Oh, so you've worked a full-time job in the past month. - I've worked a full-time job in the past month in terms of playing games. - Yeah, we didn't have any trash chase recordings last week. And I was like, I'll play like two hours of "Persona 3" since I was just like, oh, I'll just like see what- - We didn't have any recording last week? - No, we didn't. - Oh, I didn't remember that.

- I recorded two weeks ago. - I thought it was last week. - Yeah. - Oh, geez. - And I was like, I'll play a few hours of "Persona" and then here I am a week later, like 50 hours in. I didn't get anything fucking done. - That's the "Persona" effect. - I know. I fucking hate it. - Just sucks you in. - I fucking hate it. It's so goddamn addicting.

Normally with JRPGs, I'm like, I can casually just like invest maybe an hour, maybe like a few hours every night and just like, that's how I can play JRPGs and still manage the rest of my fucking life. But Persona is just like impossible. - Persona is like, you don't have a life. - Yeah. - While this game is on. - Yeah, you don't have a life. - You are a neat. - This episode is sponsored by ExpressVPN. Going online without ExpressVPN is like not having a case on your phone.

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all the ages that mangaka's passed away. And it was something like being a mangaka is like the deadliest job in Japan. - It's your- - One of the deadliest. - Compared to the average life expectancy of a Japanese person, I think mangaka's died 20 years. - It was like 60 something, yeah. - Yeah, 20 years before everybody else. - It was so crazy. And even then, like there was, you know, it was pretty well documented that I think Oda had a pretty, oh sorry.

Toriyama had a pretty healthy work-life balance too, but I wonder, you know, it's crazy. I mean, it's concerning. Like why do you, so many mangas pass away so early? Yeah.

- Yeah, I mean, because the schedules are just so messed up. Especially for weekly stuff like in, you know, all the Shonen magazines, right? Like, yeah, you know, as you said, like Toriyama had like, you know, the original Dragon Ball manga that Toriyama actually drew ended quite a long time ago. So he's been kind of just like doing, you know, all the Dragon Quest stuff and like, you know, a bunch of other just like art based stuff that,

is not on a weekly basis. So, you know, he, he somewhat, you know, had a pretty healthy life as you said, but man, I'm scared for like people like odor, you know, or like, you know, people who have just had,

like 20, 30 plus years series still somehow writing weekly. Like scary. - It's insane what the it's like work schedule they must have. And you know, a lot of the fan base are like, no, it's still not enough. We need more chapters. And one thing that confuses me even more is when you have like the odd

that are releasing two, they're working on two projects at once. What's the Kaguya-sama's? - Akasaka Arca? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Doing Oshinoko. - Well, the thing with Akasaka though is that he's doing Kaguya-sama, he does the story and art for that. But with Oshinoko, he's only doing the story. - Oh.

Which is like, it's still a lot, but at least he's not drawing both of them. You know, like if he was drawing both of them, he would actually, he would be like the Moodon of mangakas. Like it'd just be like, that would be too much for a person to do. - Do you know someone who is doing both?

- Talking about the goats of mangaka, right? The fucking manga of Rent-A-Girlfriend decided, so he's like doing Rent-A-Girlfriend and I believe in his spare time, he's like, "I'm gonna make a manga about a sister harem." - Oh, wow.

And I'm like, why would you do this? - Who let this man cook? Who let him into the kitchen? - Why do you get the talent of like infinite manga releases?

And yeah, I don't know if they're both, I don't know if that's a weekly one as well, but I believe that Rent-A-Girlfriend is still definitely ongoing. - Meanwhile, Togashi is still on a six year hiatus. Life's not fair, man. - Shonen Jump markers can never seem to catch up. - Jesus Christ. - I sent the link in the chat, but it got community noted. So I'm actually curious. - Oh really? - Yeah. - Really? - But I sent it in the chat. Do you wanna look at it? I can't read it. It's all in Japanese. - I don't know my phone. - Oh shit.

Oh, I see. Okay. So the community note essentially is talking about how this survey is mostly consisting of mangakas who are born roughly in the mid to late 80s. As of right now, in their late 30s, early 40s. And so...

And so the data set is a bit skewed. It's not referencing any mangas from like the sixties and seventies. - Oh, right. - Okay, okay. - But still, I mean, I think there's something to be said here. Even if the data set is a bit skewed,

that you just look at some of these, I mean, there's a lot of pretty notable mangakas there. And just the fact that again, you very rarely see mangakas or see news about mangakas passing away in their 70s and 80s, which is the average age of a Japanese person, at least countrywide. I think really just goes to show that like, yeah, this job is incredibly taxing on you physically.

and mentally that it's not really a surprise that some of these authors are passing away early because, and you know, it's always due to like, you know, some kind of like very, you know, sudden complication health wise, right? Like it's, you know. - Well, I think, you know, going on back to like mangaka who can do multiple series and some manga who are like really, really struggle. I think it's, you know, the thing about a creative kind of like

that I've found is that creative, you can work an office job and you can mostly predict, okay, I can get X amount of work done in X amount of hours. But with a creative job, it's so hard to predict

Like there is a certain amount of workloads and productivity that needs to be done. Most of the time that is dependent on like an external company or a deal you have. Like, you know, you have to release this chapter weekly and some people really, really struggle with that. And some people have spare time with it. Like I remember meeting the author of "Fairy Tale"

And he started a YouTube channel because he just had like too much spare time in between. - Wait, isn't Eden Zira still going though? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And that's weekly, right? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - How the fuck? - 'Cause he's a fucking machine, man. - So we all just have different bandwidth to do stuff like that. - Did you see the interview between George R.R. Martin and-

- Stephen King. - Stephen King. - Yeah, I did see that. He was like, George RR was like, "How the fuck do you write that many books?" It's like, it's actually insane. - It's like, and you know, I definitely empathize with that myself because there are some days where I'm like, I wanna get X amount of work done and X amount of stuff written. And then sometimes, you know, you can just like plow out

two times as much as you want to do. - Well, I mean, you know, if we're talking about Stephen King, like it's kind of not fair because you know, he has Coke on his side. - That'll definitely- - Wait, wait, wait, it's just like a known fact? - Yeah, he used to, apparently he had this like period in his life where, in his career rather, where he was,

- He was addicted to Coke. And that when he was, he would write entire- - Like Coca-Cola or? - Yeah, sure, let's say Coca-Cola. - Yeah, we'd do so much cocaine that he had to stuff cotton up his nose to stop blood from dripping on his typewriter. - And apparently while he was on these Coke binges, he would just write entire books in like a few days.

And that's how he was able to like, I don't remember which period it was, but like, that's why some of his like kind of middle career books while he was on this coke bitch are just so weird. - Yeah, not to, you know, 'cause I haven't released anything of value, so I can't really talk about, on some of his books known to be like kinda eh,

- I mean like- - He's done so many, right? - The one that comes to mind is Cujo, which is the one about the rabid dog that goes around killing people. And I remember reading that in high school. I'm like, this is fucking weird. And then I found out he wrote that in like three days on a Coke binge. And I was like, ah, that-

- That explains it. - It's kind of impressive what you can kind of like do when you're the goat. You could just kind of release shit like that. I don't know if it's bad, but I'm assuming it's just weird. - I mean, obviously he's not on it anymore. - It's kind of cool though. - I mean, I could say something similar about someone like, you know, Jinji Ito where he has some goaded pieces of work. And then sometimes you read a story and you're like,

- What were you thinking? What was the point? And I'm sure there was no point. He was just like- - I like the story about the short story he wrote about like the cat that like gets possessed by some kind of like thing and just like just morphs into this disgusting thing. And when you read- - You're Stephen King? - No, no, this is Junji Ito. And when you read that short story, you're like, okay, I don't know what the story was about. And apparently Junji Ito just wrote that because he likes cats.

- Okay. - And he was like, "I just wanted to write one about a cat." And I'm like, "I respect it." - You're like, "Damn, that's been such a deep- - Yeah, yeah, Junji Ito's cat diary. - "That's been such a deep thought process." - Yeah, he was like, "I just really like cats, so I'm just gonna write this." - "I like cats." - Yeah. - And I was like, "I respect it." - You can kind of do whatever you want when you have to go, which is the best, which is cool. - Yeah. - What's the author of "Chainsaw Man" again? - Fujimoto. - Fujimoto. Did he make like a,

- Have you read all of the short manga? - Yeah. - Did you make a short manga where the point of the short manga is that it's not that deep? - Yeah. - What's it called again? - The Look Back, right? - No, no, no, Look Back's the one that's good. - Goodbye, Eri. - No, no, no, there's one more. - Oh, no, there's a third one, isn't there? - There's a third one that was like a- - I have no idea. - Shit, what was it called? - There was a third one that was like a really, really short one. It was only like 20 pages long. And I think the point of that was just like,

- Bro, it was, fuck. - Yeah, look it up. - Look it up, yeah. - Just look up Fujimoto Tatsuki short story. - Short story. Makes you wonder how many stories are made that are just like not that deep or the author just made it on a whim. - Yeah, it's not the short story collections, right? - No. - 'Cause he did that as well. Oh my God, what was it called?

- I can't remember. Okay, wait, wait, hold on. - No, that's the "Before Chainsaw Man" short stories. - Yeah, short manga. - I know what you're talking about though 'cause I definitely read it. - Music, I remember it was about music. - Wait, is it called the "Before Chainsaw Man" short stories? - No, no. - Well, that collection is, yeah. That's like a collection of like, it's like an anthology collection of short stories. - Based in the same universe? - Kind of. - Oh, wow, okay. - Yeah, or inspired by the same universe. - Interesting. - I think it's "Just Listen."

- Just listen to the song. - Just listen to the song. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Which killed all, which has killed like all intellectual debate around pieces of media. - Also, I love how Wikipedia labels this under the genre of cringe comedy. - Wait, why is it cringe comedy? - It's under cringe comedy, which is the best way to describe Fujimoto's work sometimes, in the best way possible.

- Yeah, I do remember this one. Yeah, 'cause I read it and I'm like, what was this about? 'Cause it didn't, I mean, it's always hard to grasp what Fujimoto is trying to say in any of his manga the first time you read it. - Yeah, it's interesting 'cause I think it's like super meta where you can interpret it as like, hey, sometimes people are looking at my work way too deeply or overanalyzing it.

- I don't know. - I mean, I don't blame those people. He makes some fucking bad- - He does make some weird shit. - Like "Goodbye, Airy." Dude, that was the most poignant that- - I haven't read any of his stuff. - Oh, dude, "Goodbye, Airy" is- - Well, you saw "Chainsaw Man," right? - Yeah, I saw it, but I haven't read any of his. - So have you consumed any-

- Have you read any other pieces of his work at all? - No, I haven't. - "Goodbye, Eri" is an incredible, even "Look Back" as well. "Look Back" was about like his kind of view into like the world of creating manga basically. And it's just like really good coming of age story. You should read "Fire Punch" bro. - Yeah, everyone tells me about "Fire Punch". - That one is wild. - That is wild. - That is even more deranged than "Chainsaw Man". - I've heard that from everyone too. - Yeah, it's so good. - I do want to, just haven't got around to it.

- It's only what, eight volumes? - Yeah, it's not long at all. Again, I've wanted to, but I have a feeling it'll get animated someday and it's gonna be glorious. - I don't know if it can. - I don't know. - Maybe. - You say that, we always say this stuff can't be, it's unadaptable. And then it gets adapted and we're like, "Ah shit, this is fire, it's Punch." - Yeah, if Fire Punch ever gets adapted, everyone's gonna be so hype with the first half. And then everyone's gonna be like, "What else?" - Well, that's what they said about Vin Saga gone.

- No, but- - No, no. - Is it that much worse? - It's not worse. - The second half of Fire Punch is just every page is just what the fuck is going on? - It's just weird. - It's just weird. - Well, Evangelion. - Yeah, kind of like that level of- - Oh, the Evangelion crowd are gonna be frothing at the mouth with Fire Punch. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - So then, you know, that's done well. More merchandise than God.

- So I think it's fine. - Sure. - I see more Evangelion stuff than Christian stuff. Although very heavily similar kind of themes, I guess. - Yeah, which is a similar thing where I think there was a point where people were like analyzing everything about Evangelion and then a lot of the symbolism turned out to be, oh, Anno being like, oh, I thought it just looked cool. - It just looked cool, yeah.

- Yeah, it's like, oh, when they explode, when the angels explode, they explode into the cross. Like that's obviously a reference to like Christianity. And then Arno in an interview was just like, no, I just thought it looked cool. There's no meaning behind it. - Yeah, I mean, yeah. There's only so much you can think about. - Or he's lying and that's just a distraction for people to stop talking about it.

- Maybe that's maybe, maybe that's maybe. - That's what they want you to think. - I know you tactician. - Well, they make Doritos branded even yelling. - It's an allegory for consumerism, which obviously even yelling is a game. - What's wrong honey, you've barely touched your purple Doritos. Oh my God, when are they gonna release that? - They probably will or have. - Probably have, yeah.

- It was like Netflix doing the Squid Game adaptation of "Squid Game." - Oh yeah. - Which just ties into the whole message of "Squid Game" itself, right? - It's very ironic. - Yeah, very, very much ironic. - When is the second season of that coming out actually? - Is this year, right? - "Squid Game"?

- Well, I saw the headline of the old guy. - Oh yeah, he got like sexual assault charges. - Yeah, you're like, what the heck is going on? - But I mean, fortunately for the show, would be a little awkward if they needed to film him, but he got killed off in the show. - Oh wow, spoilers.

- Well, he would have been gone from the next season anyway, regardless I imagine. - Yeah, you never know. - Given the circumstances. - Yeah. - I don't think it'll be, I don't really care much about it. I don't care much about it. - Yeah. - You guys gotta watch "Dune" too, that's what you gotta watch. - Oh yeah, you watched that, didn't you? How was it? - It's fucking amazing. - Better than one? - Better than one.

- Really? - It's so fucking good. - I actually rewatched "Dune 1" yesterday in preparation for "Dune 2." - It's so good. - Yeah, I need to go watch it this week. - Yeah, it's the complete story now, right? The first book's been adapted. - No. - What? - No. - No, it's the first, the first book is three parts. - The first book's three, three parts. - Because the first book is like 900 pages long. - Yeah, because the first book was like three other books that he combined into one.

- I feel like- - I'm not wrong. I'm not wrong, Don. I'm not wrong. - Are you sure? Can we fact check this? - Oh my God. - I mean- - You gotta act like I don't know who the prophet is. - If, for example, like if they did, if "Dune II" is the last, like it covers the last two parts of the first book, then they really would have to fucking rush this movie.

- I would be surprised. - 'Cause what I thought was the first two Dunes was like, okay, that's the first book done. - Really? - No. - Connor, you've seen the movie, so is the story over? - Actually, as somebody who's watched 19 hours of YouTube explain videos, no, the part three is the prophet.

or the, what is it called? The Messiah, one of them. - Yeah. - Yeah, so like, it's like the first book is like three parts. - Okay. - And they did one part each. 'Cause then after that first book is when it gets weird. - Yeah, that's when they start going to different planets and different civilizations. - Some of the books go like 2000 years ahead. - Yeah. - And then the worm comes into it, don't worry about it.

- I thought the worm's already in it. - Oh no, different one. - Different one. - Different one. - Oh, okay. - Different one. - The books are so good, dude. - Yeah. - It's so good. - What do you mean, yeah? Like you fucking read it. - I listened to a guy explain it to me. And that's how I know. - That's just modern.

- But then when I- - So you got the cliff notes basically. - When they were talking, yeah, I watched like a four hour video explaining all the books and I was like, this sounds like it goes so hard. - It goes so hard. - Everything they were explaining, they were like, you'd have to be out of your mind to come up with this. - Just the first six Frank Herbert books. - Sounds like you would like an audio books corner.

- No, it's too long. - I want someone to explain these books to me. - But also, I actually think that some audio books I think works, 'cause for me, audio books are like, "Wow, I wanna do something else." - Yeah.

I feel that if I was to listen to all of like the Dune books or something like that, for example, I wouldn't actually like be paying full attention to it. And it would all be lost on me. - 'Cause there's so much detail Frank Herbert writes into those books that like, it's one of those books you really have to like pay attention. - I don't know, maybe it's like, "Oh, dude." But like, I don't know. I really get joy out of like watching people come up with their own theories and dissecting media as well.

- Oh yeah, I do too. - It's really fun. - I do too, but that's usually after I've read the material. - I just realized that I always enjoy the dissecting more than I do the actual media. So then I actually like it when they explain the media and then dissect it. 'Cause I just, I have just come to accept that I will not, there is just not enough hours in the human lifespan for me to be able to interact and consume all the things I wanna consume.

- Yeah. - So now I'm just this roving monstrosity of a man that is trying to optimize consumption. - That is the worst possible way to go about it. - Yeah, I was about to say. - But I really like it. - You could have used those four hours to actually read the book. - Yeah, but I was doing other stuff too. So like he was explained to it, you know?

- So you're not even like fully paying attention. - You're the problem with the modern world right now. - No, no, no, no, 'cause like I unfortunately- - Just consume, consume, consume, consume. - Yeah, yeah, but well, I do consume in the correct manner, I suppose, if you will. Says the fucking four times speed asshole over here, by the way. You know, like something like "Dune," at least I don't think I'm ever gonna read it just 'cause I don't really enjoy reading that much. - Sure, yeah. - You know, and that's a flaw that I have, so be it.

- That is very much you. - But I also want to be able to experience the story in some aspect. So it's like, okay, cool. Like the movie's great. That's fantastic. But like the, I don't think, 'cause the director said he's not gonna continue or he doesn't want to do it after the next movie. - Yeah, but if, depending on how big these are, then someone's gonna pick it up. - But also I've come to realize now, if the story's just so cool, I actually don't really mind if I get spoiled on things.

'Cause just the presentation of just watching it in any kind of form is just amazing. - Well, when was the last time a story actually shocked you? Because I asked this because, do you know a movie I watched for the first time like a month ago?

- Sixth Sense. - Okay. - Oh, okay. - Classic. - Wait, did you know about the plot twist in Sixth Sense? - I knew about the plot twist. - But you never saw it in context. - That's like a prime example where like the story wouldn't, you don't lose anything by knowing that, right?

- I mean, I feel like for its time, the big plot twist of "The Sixth Sense" was like so revolutionary and out of left field. But I told this to Sydney because she wanted me to watch it for the longest time. I feel like I would have guessed that plot twist a long time ago, even if I didn't know it. - Really? - Yeah, because-

- Because of the sick, okay. Here's like the dilemma, right? Because of the sixth sense, right? That kind of plot twist has become way more popularized

because of the sixth sense. So this whole plot twist about someone you think is alive but is actually dead the entire time. It's like, I can think of- - I mean, it's been overdone to shit. - Yeah, now it's become overdone. And because the sixth sense kind of like started this trend, I feel like even if I didn't know what the plot of the sixth sense was, I feel like I would have guessed it beforehand because you look for the tells now.

And it's so obvious, right? Because- - Well, 'cause you have to show the audience that there's a twist somewhere. - Yeah. - Because otherwise it's like cheap. You're like, "Ah, there's no way anyone could have known that." Or like you're trying to rug pull. - The hard thing is, as you watch more movies and consume more media, it becomes harder to do a plot twist just because, you know,

sometimes when this kind of plot twist has been done before, it's hard to replicate that exact same thing because some piece of media has already done it before. And so it's kind of in the collective consciousness. Like for example, if Attack on Titan went the Code Geass route with what the final plan was meant to be,

none of us would have been surprised because Code Geass already exists, right? - Right. - If you kind of get what I mean. - But that's because I think we would feel that way because we have already watched and experienced Code Geass and it was such a pivotal part of our anime watching life.

Whereas there would be a lot of people, especially in the generation above or below us rather, or newer kids who maybe weren't around when Code Geass was around and probably would be like, would have that visceral reaction in the same way we had for Code Geass. - Yeah, so that's kind of like why I asked, when was the last time do you think you were like properly shocked? - I think for me, the one that immediately comes to mind was Shutter Island.

- That was like 10 years ago, Joey. - Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That was probably the last time I watched a movie and when the plot twist was revealed, I was like, first of all, didn't see it coming. Second of all, I was like, oh, this actually makes so much sense. 'Cause then when I went to go rewatch that movie after knowing the plot twist, I was like, oh my God, it was right fucking there. And I never saw it. But since then,

- Oh really? - Yeah, for me the last time I remember a plot twist properly shocking me was probably your name. Your name. - What was the plot twist in your name? Was there a plot twist? - Yeah, there was a plot twist. - I mean, like halfway through. - Halfway through. - I didn't feel the plot twist. - You didn't feel the plot twist? - Yeah, I was like, oh, okay, we're going in this direction now. - Oh, okay. - Different media impacts people very differently. - 'Cause there wasn't like so much of a reveal as there was kind of just like, it wasn't like,

- This is what's happening, boom. You didn't see this coming. It was more like- - What the fuck? Yes, there was. Are you fucking shitting me? - I mean, I kind of saw it coming. - You saw it coming? - I kind of saw it coming. - Okay, okay. I did not see it coming, so okay.

- Okay, so- - So it was a plot twist for you? - Yeah, that's the point. It was a plot twist for me where I was, I thought I came into your name thinking, "Oh, this is good. This is fucking Shinkai. It's gonna be like some romance, nice feely romance shit." - Sure.

which it turns out to be in the end. But what I wasn't expecting was the plot twist where I'm going to just spell it out now for skip like five minutes ahead. You know, when it's revealed that she is already dead and it's like their times aren't synced together. - Yeah. - Right? So that was the plot twist.

- Which is a plot twist, Joey. - Yeah. - Why am I convincing you that this is a plot twist? - Different plot twists affect people very differently. - I kind of got the context clues though from the first half. - Really? - Yeah, 'cause when you look at all the scenes with Mitsuha, there are just a lot of context clues that suggest that, oh, this is not the modern time.

- Really? - Yeah, at least that's how I felt about it. So when they reveal being like, this is like fucking 50 or a hundred years ago, I forgot what the time. - No, it was only three years. - Was it three years? - Yeah, it was only like three years. So it wasn't like that big of a deep shit. - Maybe I need to rewatch your-

- Maybe I'm remembering it wrong. - It wasn't that big of a desync, but enough that it was like, oh shit, okay, I didn't actually see this, you know, this desync. Because when he was like searching for her, it was like, oh, okay, she doesn't exist anymore because the comet had already crashed down. And I was like, holy shit, I did not see that coming. Okay, I'm invested. - Also, I think you were right.

- I think one and two is from the book, first book. And then I think Dune three will be Dune Messiah, which I think is the second book. Very confusing. - I thought so. Well, 14 hours of lore videos all get jumbled up into one. - They do get jumbled up into one.

- I thought it was 'cause it was how it released. - That's 14 hours you're gonna spend reading the book, you know? - I thought it was 'cause it released initially, it was like three parts were released and then they did one big release with like, I don't know, fucking bullshit. - Well, I just thought that would follow the formula from the first movie 'cause the first movie covers the first part of three in the first book.

- There's three parts. - It is a three parts in the first book. - I don't know. I clearly don't know enough about doing. Point being, fucking amazing movie. Go watch it. - Okay, I mean, I was going to. - Good, good. - And then watch it again. - Just haven't had the time. - But what else you guys been up to? Anything else? - I mean, if we're talking topical, then I feel like we need to bring this up about TikTok potentially getting banned in the States. You hear about that shit? - Yeah, I heard about it. - What do you guys think about that?

- I don't think anyone wants to hear our opinions on geopolitics, Joey. - I mean, do you think it's gonna go ahead? They've been trying to do this for like a long time. - Honestly, man, there's a part of me that's like- - I prefer my spyware American, thank you very much. - Yeah, it's kind of 50/50 because it's like, it is true that, you know,

the American government moving this fast and all agreeing on something this quickly is like pretty unprecedented of being like, oh, we've got all these issues in the country, but banning TikTok, top priority, right? That's a little bit strange to me, but also I feel like the damage, whatever damage that America thinks that they've gotten has already been done. It's like kind of a little...

- In what sense? - In the sense of like, you know, the whole like data, you know, collecting thing and it's like,

People complaining being like, oh, people rather like praising it being like, oh yes, I'm totally advocating for the blockage of TikTok in America because it's ruining an entire generation of content and like kids attention spans have like gone down because of blah, blah, blah. It's all this pedantic shit. And I'm like, I don't know, man, if you ban TikTok now, it's not like it's gonna fucking go back

to what it was overnight. - But there's gonna be another platform. - And there's always gonna be another platform. - They just wanna make that platform American. - Yeah. - Like Instagram reels and YouTube shorts are just going to replace it. - We're in like a weird, I think all of us are in kind of an interesting spot 'cause like,

We are not American. All of the social media platforms that we use are American. And we're watching two giant superpowers that aren't from any of our countries that we have any interaction with, like battle it out. Like in the EU, Europe and UK and Australia, we just had to accept that America just always had the power. We were like, well, we don't really get to choose what,

what platform we're using. - We're kind of just warming the benches. - Yeah, we just kind of have to go with whatever America says. We're like, okay, cool. - We'll jump into the field when the coach tells us. - Yeah, yeah. And like, it's an interesting thing 'cause it's,

I struggled to kind of like articulate and to kind of like break down how to feel about it all really. - I mean, I'll take this buying of like this battle between superpowers over what happened in like our fucking parents generation where they're like, oh, are we gonna start a nuclear war tomorrow?

- What's happening with that? - The end of the world literally rests in our hands. - That's all I'm gonna say, we have that too. - It's not as much of a worry as it was. - Yeah, but this is just how modern like diplomacy and wars are done on the internet. This is how it is. It's all sanctions and yada, yada, yada.

and all that kind of stuff. It's just moved. It's the same thing, but different skin. - Different skin. Back then it was like, oh, how many nuclear fucking warheads do you have? And now it's like going on Twitter. - How many followers do you have? - Seeing every response be pussy in bio. - Yeah. - You know, it's just like. - Yeah. - Different war tactics, right? - Me or the PS5. - The thing that I always found funny is that TikTok, they're trying to ban.

That's banned in China. The TikTok that America wants to ban is the one that's banned in China. I always found that funny. China TikTok is completely different. They have like two different, so they have obviously bright nances too. And I just found it funny that they try to ban it. And it's like, well, this is also banned there. I mean,

But yeah, it is interesting to see how it plays out. I will be, I was really, what I was impressed or kind of surprised by is that TikTok was like sent out the whole thing to all the American users being like, call your Senate member and tell them you don't want this to, I was like, whoa. It was like,

And then that made it even worse. Yeah. Because then they got pissed off. All the Sanders got pissed off. They were like, look what they're fucking doing. They're brainwashing our children. They just mobilized all of these young people against us. Now it's bad and even quicker. It was really impressive. Yeah, yeah. It was quite impressive. Yeah. It was quite, and also terrifying. I don't really have...

- I mean, we're not really heavy TikTok users. - No, I mean, for me it's odd. So I find it strange on either side when they all get really up in arms about the other side. I think generally,

banning competition is bad, but also at the same time, they're convinced that there's some security issue there. How merited that is, I don't know. - Yeah. - We don't know. We're fucking losers online. I don't fucking know. - Yeah, I mean, it's just interesting to see this play out. - We'll adapt. We always adapt online, people. Everyone who's on the internet or uses it, we always find a way. - I mean, look what happened when Vine fell. We adapted.

- Everyone moved to YouTube. - Everyone moved to YouTube, man. - Everyone moved to YouTube. - I think the only bad thing that's really like the really concerning part of people obviously have built businesses and built that livelihood off of TikTok. - Yeah, I was gonna say like the small businesses are going to struggle and obviously like millions of creators are gonna be out of a job. - 'Cause it's also like, it's really easy for us to be like,

And then we're like sitting on YouTube and if the same thing happened to YouTube, we'd be like, what the fuck? We have to stop this. - I'm calling my Congressman right now. - Yeah. I also feel like we've been online enough where I'm like, I think we, you know, I'd be able to figure something out. - Yeah, we'll figure it out. - Other nudes and un-nudes and other news, which released a suit. - Oh, I saw that. - Yeah, that's cool, right? Cool, yeah, that was a project that I wanted to make for so long. - You've been talking about that for a while.

I saw those pics and I'm like, I've told him.

- Yeah, it was a lot of fun. I mean, I've been wanting to do a suit for a while, even though I knew that no one would buy it. Because it's a fucking suit. And it's like not YouTuber merch. Like how, like whenever you talk to any of these companies that are like professional YouTube merch making things like, "Oh no, you gotta make t-shirts and hoodies. They sell the most." - Yeah, they do. - Yeah, I know. And it's true, right? 'Cause like everyone can get a t-shirt, everyone can get a hoodie. You know what I mean? Like people need those.

I really wanted to do a suit just for the sake of it. Not because I thought I would make money or anything off it, but so we made the- - Just for the like of it. - Made a suit collaboration with Glam. And as you can see- - I'm fucking looking like a mob boss right now. - Yeah, I mean like- - I've seen this picture everywhere. - I'm not expecting to sell many. It's also like, you know, like $500. - I was looking like a one-piece Admiral. - Yeah, it's like a-

- Okay, you're looking at us. - Bro, the suit is so good though. It's so fucking good. You know, we got to add so many custom things. - You're greeted by this, man. - Why am I getting mocked here, bro? What the heck? I'm trying to gush about my baby over here.

- I'm done, I'm done, I'm done. - You done? - I'm done, I'm done. - Let's play more when I came. - God damn it boys.

- Yeah, no, it looks sick, man. Looks really, really good. - Thanks guys. - It's true, it looks sick. - I'm trying to like be like, yeah man, you're like, you're a fucking one piece looking ass. - I'm like top 10 characters that can beat Luffy.

- This man starts all with the pirates, what do you do? Anyway, go on. - I spilled my water all over myself. - You were saying? You made a suit? - Yeah, I mean, well.

- It was cool. We had the glam fashion designer, TK, who I'd met once before, who obviously we like all his stuff. - Yeah, you met him with RinRin, right? - Yeah, he's super cool. He's like the funniest, chillest dude I've met in so long. Yeah, he's an interesting guy. I mean, he designed obviously all the glam stuff that, I mean this too, his pants too. I pretty much only wear his designs 'cause he just makes fire. He just cooks. - What did you say you wanted?

That's a great question. So we basically- My suit. Yeah. I said I wanted a suit, but then I was like, okay, first I had to do it. Actually, you know, like the designing part is like, from my perspective, it's kind of, it's really fucking easy. I don't really do the hard part. TK does all the hard stuff.

I just kind of go, I want this. I'm like a Subway. I love the nine-grain bread and cheese and the deli. And then he's like, all right, okay, hold up now. And then he closes it in one, and you're like, shit, okay, it'll fit. Fashion design is a crime.

- I know, I know, I know. He just cooks. I didn't do anything. He just cooks. But like, yeah, I love the like double breast style. And then we went there and I chose the material. He had this giant like flip book of soup material. And he was like, "Would you like this one?" I was like, "Oh, I felt like the same as the last one." And he's like, "What about this one?" I was like, "That also feels the same as the last one." He's like, "No, that's really different." I was like, "Oh."

- Oh, okay. So we mentioned down to one and then we like chose the buttons as well, which is a whole thing. It's like a giant, like three page book of buttons.

And it's like, you touch them all. And I was like, okay, cool. And then I had to add in some little nods. We added some little Trash Taste purple stuff in there too. - Hey, nice. - Some nice little stitches. But it came out really well. And then he added shoulder padding to make me look like a giga chat. Yeah, it came out really well. It was really fun. And then we got to film it. And then he came up with these monkey shoes, which are interesting, I will say. Do you want to show them, Kai? - I don't think I saw the monkey shoes. - Oh, the monkey shoes are, look at these. Look at what he made.

- That's actually pretty cool. - He was like, "I wanna make monkey shoes." And he showed me this and I was like,

"What the fuck is this?" I was like, "This is weird." - I don't know man, that kind of goes hard. - Yeah, and then he goes, and I told him, I was like, "I don't know if people are gonna buy these, TK." 'Cause these are insane. - That's what we call a statement piece. - Yeah, and he goes, "Yeah, but it's cool though." And I was like, "Okay, I'm sold." And that's the story I keep telling 'cause that's the kind of vibe going into the entire thing was like, I was like, "I don't know about this." And he's like, "That's cool."

And I was like, okay, yeah, I feel confident. If you say it, I feel confident. We just go to the factory to film it. It's really cool watching them make it in the factory. Also terrifying how narrow and tight that factory was. - Really? - 'Cause it was just in like Ueno or something. - Oh, okay. - It was like- - They have a factory in Ueno?

- Yeah, it was like next to someone's house. And it was just like this intense machinery. It was all shoved into this tiny thing and the ceiling was like this. - Like a fucking TARDIS in there? - Dude, it was- - I can't imagine a factory fitting in a window. - It was crazy, man. It was crazy. - I always complains against it. - Yeah, right? - It wasn't live outside, you wouldn't be able to tell. - Really? - But it was really cool. And it was really cool getting to do it and do photo shoots with them. And it was a cool fucking process.

Very different from every other merch I've ever made ever. And probably will ever make. I don't think I'll ever release- - You've reached that point of like YouTuber where you're just like, let's just do weird, wild shit. - Yeah. I mean, for me it was more of like documenting the process and like getting an inside view into like how it would be in Japan to go about this. Less so about releasing like the real thing

the coolest merch, but also it's really cool that we can release a merch with it. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. - Yeah. - And so, yeah, if you do wanna get any of it, sorry to plug, you can. It's available until like the 1st. - So when are we getting ours? - Yeah, what do you want?

- What do you want? You want a suit? We can get you fit. - I do need another suit. - I could always do with the suit. - Yeah, 'cause I only have the JoJo suit right now. - Well, we can get you guys hurt. We'll all have matching suits. - Yeah, sure. Why not? - Next Trash Taste Awards, man. Next Trash Taste Awards. - If I ever get married, it'll make it real easy to get the groomsmen their suits. - It's like, I got the groomsmen.

- Guys, I know the perfect suit. - Let me just ring up my man TK real quick, get us 20 suits. - Yeah, we'll have to get you guys some. - Yeah, hell yeah, man. - I'm down, I'm down. - Yeah, fuck yeah. - We can actually do it. - Happy for you. - Fuck yeah. - I gotta decide how many of the stuffs I want before the pre-orders 'cause I need to get them. I only have one of everything so far. So it's cool. But yeah, that was really fun and then obviously,

- I got doing the cycling again, like two weeks or a week from today. - Not joining Joey? - Joey, why are you coming on the bike? - Well, 'cause I have like a bunch of friends visiting overseas. - You know what your other bunch of friends are doing? Cycling. Get on the bike, Joey, come on. Get in the Ava. Get on the bike. Get on the bike, Joey. - I get it, Joey, 'cause when Connor asked me, I just had like flashbacks of like the Shimano Kaido. I'm like, oh my God.

- I can't do it again. Not again. - Yeah, that's a- - I also really want to get in shape as well. So it was just a- - That's a no from me, dog. - I've somehow convinced Garnt to get on the bike two days in a row. - Do you know what I'm most scared of? - What, falling?

- No, how my ass is gonna feel like the day after. Not even like how tired I'm gonna be in my legs. I just remember how much my ass hurts after. - Yeah, but to be fair with the Shimanami Kite, with the cycling special, those bikes we had were shit. - Those were shittier bikes. - That's true. - So I don't think you'll have as bad of a time with this one. - The Shimanami Kite also is way nicer bikes now, by the way.

- Oh really? - Yeah, they're way nicer. - Of course. - They're like much better. - Of course it's after we've done. - We made them. We taught them everything they know. We made the Shin Nemo. - That always happens. It's like when, you know, the moment you graduate high school and then suddenly they build three new buildings. - Oh, there's also like- - It's always happened. - There's also like eight or nine new cafes along the road that are really nice. - What the fuck? - Yeah.

- Do you know why? We injected something into the local economy. - Couldn't possibly have been the pandemic. - No, no, no. It's like Taylor Swift turning up to a city. It's like, it's basically- - We move economies. - Except it shrank. All the businesses shut after we went there.

- Everyone watched that special and was like, "That looks like a terrible time. I'm never going there." - Yeah, I'm pumped. I can't wait to see you on the bike again, man. I'm so excited. - I can't believe you're doing it for two weeks this time. - Two weeks is ridiculous. - Yeah, good luck with that. - Also, it's just nice though. 'Cause I don't have to like reply to anyone for like two weeks.

- You should ignore the world. - I do miss that. - It's so nice. - I do, you know, I've been, I, you know, I'm trying to go on social media less recently and it's, it's less of a one to now and more of just like a realization, especially like Twitter, how fucking depressing it is. I am like, it used to be like Twitter to me used to be, let's say, used to be like 60% shit. And you have that like 40% of fun. And now I think it's like,

95% shit. - Yeah, 90 shits and anger and people complaining and 10% fun, you know?

- If that. I feel, I don't know man, like you know that whole like dead internet theory? Like every time I look at Twitter nowadays, that theory just keeps getting more and more plausible to me. 'Cause it's just like any, it could be anything, like any tweet, you'll look at it and then be like, oh, I wanna see what the replies to this are. And it's always some account posting a video that has nothing to do with anything of that tweet or it's pussy in bio.

like go to my account post. And it's just like, bro, what? I used to have fun looking at like Twitter replies and like Twitter re-tweets. And now it's just like, it's a fucking barren wasteland to go through. It's like, it's so hard to find anything actually like fun. That's why like the majority of my memes that I find now are on Instagram.

- Well, yeah. - 'Cause it's so much easier to find memes there now. - Joey has one need. - Where do I find memes? - I just need some good memes that I can send to friends and Instagram is great because I can directly DM them to my friends. So much easier. - So while we're cycling, you'll be like scrolling Instagram looking for memes. - Yeah, I'll send you guys memes in real time that you can check, yeah. - Yeah, okay.

- Yeah, I guess so. - No, but legitimately I can't join 'cause I actually do have like a bunch of friends from Australia visiting, so I have to take care of them. - It'll be fun. - Yeah, it's, yeah, it's- - Your ass is gonna hurt. - Yeah, your ass is gonna hurt. - Day two is the hardest day too, I think. - Oh, is it? - I think day, no, no, sorry, not, 'cause you can't train for two days. - Yeah. - And I think the second day of the summer

the cycling, it doesn't matter what, which day of the week or anything. I mean like the second day of doing an extended cycle is always the worst. - Well, I mean, think about it. Like your ass, remember how sore your ass was after we finished the shipment? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Imagine getting back off the bike and you wake. - Yeah, it's there. That's why day two is the hardest. - I remember I literally couldn't walk the day after when I last did it. - Are you training for it this time? - Yeah, yeah.

- Your legs get really stiff the second day and then your ass hurts, but then like an hour into cycling, it kind of all loosens up. So you'll be all right. - I don't believe that for a second. - It does, it does, genuinely. - Oh fuck, he just watched too much JoJo. It's like supernatural to him at this point. - It's like by the end of the, like after a week, my legs just get used to it. I think your body just adapts. It's like, yeah, I guess we're just doing this now. But my ass never stops hurting actually.

- So everything adapts but your ass. - I just think I just have too much going on. - Just needs to do more squats. - Too much weight. - Bro, you have way more padding down there than I do, man. - Yeah, I do. - I'm gonna be like all bone down there. It's gonna be like fucking... - That's why I told you to buy the cycling pants. - Next time he wears jeans, they're just gonna slip off. - I'm excited. I'm excited to see Garnt back on the bike again. You can't be worse than Chris.

- 'Cause Chris hasn't trained at all. - Oh, I can't believe it. - Chris hasn't trained at all. - Yeah, but he fucking did, he did like chest boxing. He's done like the, what was it? - Yeah, and then look what happened to him the moment he came back from that. - Yeah, but Chris is goal oriented. When the goal's not there, Chris can't train. So he told me, we're like two weeks out, and he's like, "Yeah, I think I'm gonna start training now."

I was like, dude, we're cycling for two weeks and it's in two weeks. You should have been started like a month ago. - He's definitely the dude that does his homework the day before. - He always manages though. He always does it. And you know, some days he's better than, you know, I think that we alternate who's better. Like some days he just crushes me. Some days I'm like, where's Chris? - Yeah. - It's just different days. Some days you just turn up and you're like, my body's fucking ready. - Yeah. I just want to survive. That's my point. - That's all I want.

'Cause if I went into it the same way I did the special, then I would not survive second day. - That would be horrible. - That was a horrible day too. - Yeah, 'cause we're cycling more distance than that, I think. - Yeah, exactly. - And we didn't even do the whole shoot. - No, we didn't. - Yeah, so I actually did it. And you know the part we skipped? It wasn't even that bad because we were coming, so the cycling special,

- Technically the Shin-Namikado starts in one town and ends in another town. But we ended it once we crossed the giant bridge. But basically after that giant bridge is like a really long downhill period to the town. - Oh right. - That we could have- - We missed the downhill period? - Yeah. Because I went the other way from our Shin-Namikado to the opposite way. And I went up that giant hill and it was fucked. It was so long. - Damn. I thought we got to the end of that. - We didn't.

- Well, for people asking, no, we will not be doing it again. - So we ended- - In Ehime. - We ended at the bottom. - Yeah, go down to Ehime. - So we just crossed that bridge, right? So we crossed that bridge and the sunlight had already all gone, sun had completely set. But it actually starts in Imabari, like right in the middle of Imabari. - Oh, shit. - So like, yeah, you normally cycle along Imabari and then up a giant hill.

So yeah. - Yeah, no thanks. - But you know, I'm so sad it's like not on the way 'cause I'd love to do the Shin-Namikado again, but it would be such a detour and I'd have to add on like another day and that's like, it's not really. - You could have done it. - No, I couldn't have done it. - You could have done it. - No, I couldn't have done it. - You could have done it, you know. - You're already fucking doing it for two weeks. - Yeah, well, we- - What's the next day? - But the cool thing is we get to shop along all the like really fun cities. We got like Osaka, Nara. It's gonna be tight. - Yeah. - It's gonna be tight. And I'm excited for it. - Not sure if I consider Nara fun.

- Get harassed by deers while cycling. Also it's gonna be fun. - Outrun the deers. - Yeah. - That's how Connor's gonna get his motivation. - True. - He's gonna see a deer and he's gonna be like, I gotta get out. - Record pace. - Yeah, I gotta get out. - So it should be beautiful. It's nice. It's just like, you know, you get to see- - I'm excited. I'm excited. - You get to see parts of Japan that you never would 'cause you're normally just blasting through them. Like we didn't see so many parts of Japan on our road trip.

'Cause we just drove on the highway and the highway don't get to see anything. - Yeah, sure. - And cycling you get to see so much 'cause you can't use the highways. You have to go through the towns and the local roads. It's really nice. - It's cool. - Yeah. - Fun. - I get to eat so much food. I get to eat so much. - That's the real reason Connor. - That is 'cause like,

I need like 5,000 calories a day. It's just fantastic. It's the best thing ever. - You need 5,000 calories a day? - Yeah, it's like eight hours of cycling. - Oh, okay, okay. I thought that like was just your normal diet. I was like, that sounds like a lot. - No, 4,000, 4,000.

- It depends, 'cause we did like, I don't think we've, we're doing less distance this time, but I think on the last one, we had like 115 kilometer day and that was like 6,000 calories. - Damn. - I don't even know how to eat 6,000 calories if beer's not involved. If beer's involved, it's kind of easy. Yeah, I can do that. - Yeah. - Yeah. - We do that anyway, just on the nice out. - That's true, yeah. And I think I do 6,000. But if beer's not involved, I have no idea how to eat that much. That's a lot. Maybe ice cream?

- Milkshakes? - Milkshakes? - Milkshakes are like a lot, right? - What is the most calorie-filled food to like weight ratio? - It's like you can have milkshakes, pizza, just like anything. - Is pizza really that calorific? - Yeah, because what's the most amount of calories you can have for the least amount of food you can have?

- Pure lard? - That would be the best way. - I think just pure fat. - Just inject the fat. Just inject it into your face. - Yeah, just pure fats. - Inject olive oil. - Fats and oil. - Yeah, olive oil. - Yeah, you could just straight up drink olive oil. - Holy shit. - Some people do. - 15 milliliters is 120 calories.

Fuck, I use so much olive oil in my food, man. Yo, I love that shit. - Holy fuck. - Nuts, yeah, nuts. I fucking love nuts though. - Yeah, you do. - Yeah, I love nuts. Love nuts. - Yeah.

- Oh man, Lawson's, the fancy Lawson's. They sell the like natural selection of snacks. Have you seen them? - Oh, the natural, yeah. - They sell like mixed nuts glazed with maple and it's so good. If you come to Japan, get it. - That's like a 4,000 calorie bar. - No, it's not, it's like 300 for the pack. It's chill and it's nuts. - How do they do that? - I don't know. Actually the ones that are in maple are less calorific than the ones that are normal somehow. I think they put salt because maybe the salt, no, salt doesn't have calories.

- Does it not? - Does salt have calories? - I don't know. - Look it up. - I don't think so. - Look it up before we say something that's incorrect. - I don't think salt has calories, right? - Zero. - Yeah, salt doesn't have calories. - Zero calories. - It's just tasteful and can be bad for you in large amounts.

- Oh yes. - It's pure sodium. - So does everything. - That's true. - Why is salt so good? - Why is it so good? - Why is it so good? - I'm sodium. - What are you like a 1200s peasant? - Sodium. - It's so good. Finally some flame up. - I wouldn't have made countries for this shit, man. Imagine not having salt in your diet. - Oh my God. - It's so good.

- UK being like. - UK's discovered one seasoning and then we were like, we don't need anything else. - We figured it out. - We figured it out. - This is the peak. - My mission next time is to get Joey to cycle now. I decided. We gotta get Joey on the bike. - Well, how much you paying, bro?

- Joey, it's for charity, Joey. It's for charity. - Yeah, I'll funnel it back into the charity. - Oh, okay, okay, sure, sure, sure. - I just need something under the table. - Okay, okay, okay. - Speaking of YouTubers that we've had, we've had to say goodbye to a lot of YouTubers recently. - What?

- Where did this come from? - Wait, who? - Retiring and shit like that. - I thought you meant like dying. - Yeah, I was like, right? - I'm like, Jesus. - Oh yeah, I guess. - I was like, who are we saying goodbye to? - I guess that sounds bad after we talked about Tori. - Yeah, yeah. - I'm just talking about fucking retiring and shit. - Are you talking about like MatPat's last video and stuff? - Yeah, we got MatPat's last video and Rooster Teeth as well. - Oh yeah. - Is no more. - You know what? I don't think,

- I didn't really grow up watching Rooster Teeth stuff. - You didn't really though. - Not as much as other people. - 'Cause they were like pre-YouTube, you know? - Yeah, I mean, I obviously watched like Red vs Blue and stuff, but like other than that- - Achievement Hunters I watched. - See, I never watched that kind of stuff. - Of course you'd watch Achievement Hunters. - Yeah, you would. - Oh, fuck off. - The goblin gamer brain that you have. - Yeah, that was good. - Yeah, like I'd known about Rooster Teeth for so long, and obviously I found out about them from Red vs Blue 'cause everyone was watching that when it first came out, but after that,

I don't think I really watched a lot of- - I mean, I remember watching Red vs Blue back before YouTube was a thing. I had to download MP4 files on their website to watch episodes of Red vs Blue. And just like the, I guess them starting the whole machinima kind of like having a big,

having a big influence on just machinima craze in general. - Yeah. - God, do you guys miss machinima era of YouTube at all? Not the company.

- Not so much the company. - Okay, the company I don't. - Yeah, not the company. - The content was cool. - The content was cool. - The content. - I mean, I think it's also, it was also a part of its era. - Yeah, definitely. - I don't think I would watch it now. - Definitely dated when you look back on it, but at the time it was fine. - Why did Rooster Teeth disband or go bankrupt? - I think they got bought out like quite a while ago and then their parent company just decided to discontinue

a lot of their projects except for like maybe the podcast, but that also means Ruby is no more as well from what I understand. - Owned by Warner Brothers. - Yeah, Warner Brothers. - Oh wait, when was it bought out by Warner Brothers? - Quite a while ago, I feel like. But it's yeah, I mean that company. - Damn, they were there for 21 years? - Yeah. - Sheesh. - Which is insane to think about. - 2003, same year as Finding Nemo.

However, no such, no, they weren't bought, they merged? How was it? - I feel, I don't know what the entire lore history of Rooster Teeth is. - I had a, oh God, like a year and a half ago or two years ago, I had like some meeting with some executive of Rooster Teeth or something. - Yeah. - For no real reason really, it was just like some kind of meeting. - Yeah.

I remember they were telling me about the stuff they were trying to produce or were thinking of producing. And it sounded very, very corporate. It was very different to what I thought Rusev team was. - Yeah. - 'Cause at the time when he was telling me about some of the shows they were working on, I was like, this is interesting. - I mean, I guess that's a product of, you know, being born out by a big company like Warner Brothers, right? - But I think it's hard, you know, 'cause in an age where we have so many kind of,

influencer YouTuber led companies that really kind of get the core of what it is to be a YouTuber now and be in that era. It's kind of hard for these companies that have been bought out by giant conglomerates to kind of really straddle the line between pleasing the higher ups of the company and also still remaining true to what it was supposed to be. Yeah, I mean, you know, something similar happened to like Smosh. Oh yeah. Or like FaZe, you know.

- I wouldn't put them in the same bracket as a Smosh and a Rooster Teeth. - I wouldn't think you were a FaZe viewer, Joey. - Well, no. - That doesn't really sound like your- - FaZe is what vapes are to cigars, Joey. - Well, no, but like FaZe is like another example of like how their operations changed a lot.

- I don't even know what the fuck the phase operation was. I have no idea what their business model was. - Well, I've definitely saw a ton of articles being like, "The real phase is coming back." And I'm like, "I don't even know what the real phase is." - I don't know what the real phase is. - But I guess they're coming back. I don't know. - To this day, I've still not met a person who can explain to me what the fuck the phase business model was or how it was supposed to make money. I didn't understand it. - Was it esports? - I don't understand why it was. - I don't know. - Okay, have you...

I've never met a single phase fan before. - No, me neither. - Have you ever met a single phase fan? - Well, I'm not friends with 12 year olds, so. - Yeah, I'm not friends with 12 year olds. - It's kind of hard. - But like, even back in the day, when we were, 'cause that's when it came out. And it's so weird to me seeing like how much success they've had because anecdotally, I've never seen anyone or interacted with anyone

anyone in this interest in the field at all. And it's not like I don't know gamers or I don't know anyone in that field. - Well, first I need to know what the fuck FaZe even is. - I don't fucking know. - I don't know what a FaZe clan, I didn't know what a FaZe clan is. - They started in 2010. - We sound like fucking boomers. - Yeah, what is a FaZe?

Like I know e-sports. Of course I know e-sports. We started out as internet kids armed with cameras and a diehard love for video games. We've turned our passions and struggles into a global creative engine that has been a part of defining gaming culture. Most importantly, we're a family. That makes, what are you Vin Diesel? We're a family. We care about each other. So many of these, you know, these internet companies were just, you know, they- Did they start as a content creator?

- I think it's a content org. - How would you describe, okay, let's say in this hypothetical universe, we decided to sell Trash Taste. We have to do a company bio in Trash Taste. How would you describe the, what's the company bio? - Trash Taste is not just a podcast. It is a family, a family of thoughts and friends and opinions who share a love for anime and gaming. And most importantly, a love of our fans.

- Which there are millions. - And then at the end we write, "Poo poo pee pee stinker." - But like, you know, in like mid 2014, 2015, which I think is around the time they sold a significant chunk, all of these companies, 'cause there was so much venture capital

for these like online companies. So all of them were just like, well, okay, well these dudes are offering like tens of millions or in some cases, hundreds of millions to buy out. Like, yeah, of course I'm gonna say yeah. Like if I had a fucking face clown, some dude came to me and was like, yeah, I'll give you 50 million. I'm like, yeah, I can take face out, take my wife, take my kids, take everything. I don't need it all. 50 million, all right, cool, we'll restart. We'll rebuild a civilization. I'm gonna go to Arrakis and farm spice.

- That was one hell of a monologue you just put on there. That was a lot to sink in. - Yeah. - I'm reading this history right now of Faze and I'm just like, it just seems like they were a conglomerate that bought out a bunch of

like it says there like they acquired G2 Counter-Strike, Go international lineup and MLG stuff and- - Well, Esports still isn't making money, right? Or is that- - Yeah, so in like between 2015 and 2020, 2021, there's a huge investment in Esports. People just thought that like Esports and gaming was like,

It's like Midas' touch. They just thought everything that it touched was gold and it's worth like as much money as you could throw into it.

And so everything ballooned into like billions of dollars. And then afterwards, as it always does with investment, it comes to a point where people are like, "So when do we start making money?" - Yeah, about that. - We can spend money. - Well, 'cause yeah, it's like Amazon too. They're like, "All right, you either have to acquire new users or start making money with Twitch."

they're like, all right, so now that they don't seem to be growing as much, how are you gonna monetize this giant audience? And then they're like, what do you mean?

- How? We're supposed to do that? - Yeah. - So yeah, I mean, it's just, again, just venture capitalists going crazy. - It does make me, 'cause have you guys seen the social network? - Yeah. - The more that I've been in like the influencer industry, the more I kind of like appreciate, I can't remember all the names of the characters in that one, but you know, Mark Zuckerberg's friend who was like trying to ask a reasonable question of like, when do we monetize this platform? And then the answer he got was just,

it's like, we don't know what the Facebook, it's not about the money. We don't know what Facebook is now. It's not even cool. It's like, if we monetize it, it's not cool. And I'm like, sure, that sounds like a cool line in the context of the movie, but I'm wondering how many other businesses have asked the same question and just like never made money and just like, yeah, we're just gonna, let's just, you know what they say. - Let's see how it goes. - We're gonna spend money to make money. We're gonna. - Yeah, I mean, there's,

- It's insane. Like that's like the new business model now is to just invest, invest, invest. Don't ask, like don't make a profit. Just grow, grow as a platform. There's a really funny thing that was like, type in British Zoom investment. There was a British company that raised like 300 million. It's ridiculous. To basically make Zoom but British. - What is British Zoom? - It was like British. - Zoomies.

- British, what was it called? Fuck, I can't remember what the company's called. Basically, yeah, it was like, it was basically just Zoom that was British. And I guess somehow they'd raised like 300 million and then the CEO or whatever just like liquidates like a hundred million and the company just goes bankrupt 'cause it was a shit idea and I don't know why anyone invested. But you know, it makes you realize how the hell are these companies raising this much money? And after like getting to- - Bank loans maybe?

- No, it's venture capitalist. They're crazy, man. They just gamble. They have no idea. - When you have that much money, it's all just like gambling at that point. - It's monopoly money at that point. - But you're like, what the fuck? 'Cause I spoke to some people who do venture capitalism and it just sounds like a weird world of like,

a very small group of people like, "Oh yeah, that sounds like a good idea." - It is the most expensive game of darts ever. - Yeah, let's invest. The business model is about like, let's invest in like 100 companies, 99 of them are gonna be like dog shit and don't do anything and they're all weird and crazy. They don't wanna invest in boring stuff or safe options. 'Cause they could invest in safer things that have a guaranteed return of like 2% or 5% or anything like that. They want stuff that like 1000X is their investment. So it's like,

that you hear about these absolutely bizarre fucking investments. You're like, why was $100 million given to this thing that was clearly never going to make money? And it's like, well, because if it did, it would have been such a huge success that-

investors would have gotten excited 'cause investors don't want boring things, which is so weird. 'Cause it's like, when did we start going into this backwards ass kind of world that we started, we wanted stuff that was so dumb and so out there that that's what it required for us to want- - It's how we get projects like whatever the fuck Elon Musk pitched to like revolutionize transport

Do you remember like the boring company? - Oh, what a fucking joke that is. - That was a joke. - That was like an idea that was born out of, hey, let's do something exciting and new and looks cool. - I had the pleasure of going on the Hyperloop. - Oh really? - In Vegas, I went on it. - How was it? - Yeah, it was shit. - What is it? What is it like turned into now? - It's a bunch of Teslas that drive through a very small underground tunnel. - Cool. - So like,

- Basically, you'd pay like $5 for the day to use it. And after TwitchCon to go to our hotel, you get the Hyperloop. But there was always a huge line. 'Cause you could only fit like however many people can fit in a car. And so it's right outside of the convention center. And in my head, I was like, man,

a bus would have really solved all of this solutions. But better. Or a tram or a train. - Or a subway, which is- - Oh yes, subway. Literally any other choice other than putting more cars on the road. And so you had to- - As if there aren't enough cars on the street. - And then I had a bunch of like luggage too. And that was really fucking annoying 'cause we're getting a, Teslas aren't big. And then it's really narrow.

And I asked the guy in the car driving it, I was like, hey, do you like driving in this tunnel all day?

"You're just driving this tunnel, "going around in a circle all day." He was like, "Yep." I was like, "Why?" He's like, "No traffic." And I was like, "That's wild." - That's copium. - I was like, "Okay." I was like, "Damn, that's the most American thing "you could have said." It was just shit and what a waste of money and what a fucking fuss he made about it. What a dumb idea. What a fucking shit idea. - We had an episode where we were like, "Oh, are we wasting money doing stuff in space?" Well, you know,

I would much rather waste money doing stuff in space. Well, not waste money. I would much rather invest money in space exploration than building whatever- - Shit tunnels. Everyone who builds tunnels, I remember there was so many engineers that were being like, "This is fucking dumb and it's not gonna work." And there's so many reasons why. And then when he announced like, "Yeah, we're gonna build a hole." And then he announced the size of it.

When you go in this hole, it is a tiny tunnel. It's very claustrophobic when you get in there. Everyone was like, "What a shit useless tunnel." Like anyone could build a tunnel that size, but no one does 'cause it's fucking useless. - Well, have you heard about like some of these mega projects that, you know, these countries in the Middle East have like pitched?

- What is it, the line or something? - The line, yes. The city that is just a line. - Can you show this? - If they manage to pull that shit off, oh my God. The world of Wall-E is coming to reality. - And I'm like, are we just trying to solve issues that don't exist now? Are we regressing in here?

- Look at this thing. - A revolution in urban living. - I think city designs have been pretty good for the most part. We figured out what makes a good city and what makes a bad city. - 170 kilometers long, preserving 95% of the nature. - It's so dumb. - With a population of 260,000 per square kilometer. - Forgive my ignorance. Is there a lot of nature in the desert?

- Probably, I don't know. - I mean, some parts may. - It's an ecosystem. - Yeah, I mean, but- - But this thing just looks insane. - Look at this shit. - Look at the sand worms, man. - Look at this shit. - Yes, that's insane. And they're pouring in like ungodly amounts of money. - To me,

- Feels like a shit idea. - Yeah. - Feels like- - What if, okay, hit me out, right? - Cool in theory, maybe not so cool in reality. - What if the subway breaks down? 'Cause presumably there's just one or two subways that go back and forth. - Yeah. - I don't know. - There's no other way around. In cities you can just detour.

- I don't know the details of this. So maybe they figured that out. I don't know. - My thing is- - They're putting 800 billion pounds into this. - What if there's a fire on one block? Can you just not go past that block? - Yeah. Is this gonna be like a dystopian thing where the people underground just don't get sunlight and like form like a new species of human? - This is literally the world of like the fifth element.

- Yeah, like the subterranean humans that don't get any sunlight. - I would say it's complete bullshit and it's never gonna happen if they didn't already start constructing it. - They already started constructing it? No way. - Can you show the construction progress? They're just like making the line right now. - They started quite a while ago, right? - They're just like moving soil around. - Yeah, but it's like in Dubai, didn't they try making like the island? - Look at this. Look at this, see what they've done so far. They've just made it like a neat sand castle.

Incredible progress, one of those things. Unbelievable progress. Click on the unbelievable. Unbelievable progress!

- Mind blowing progress. - Mind blowing. Yes, we've moved some fucking sand around. Un-fucking-believable progress. That's like me, me when I'm cleaning my room and I move the clothes from one floor to the other part of the floor. Unbelievable progress. I'm not impressed.

- Yeah, I mean, didn't they do the same mega project in Dubai, I believe it is, where they tried making a bunch of islands shaped around the world. - I thought it was a fucking disaster. - Oh yeah. - And they lost so much money on it. - Can you search up like the world Dubai? - It's so shit. It's so shit. I love it. What a humorous. - Yeah. - Yeah. What a bad idea this is. - What a humorous, 'cause they also like built it, like if you look at it on the map,

'cause even the, I think the- - That's what it was meant to look like. It doesn't look like that.

- Can the world Dubai map now? - It was like near nothing in Dubai. It's so far away from anything in Dubai. So like when they were pitching it, it made like no fucking sense. - Yeah, that's what it was like pitched to look like, but I know it just, it looks- - What does it look like now? - I remember from what it looks like, it just stopped development like halfway through and one of the islands worked.

And it did not look like the world or the globe at all. - It's like post-apocalyptic world. - It kind of is. The more time goes on, the more you're like, "Oh, it's looking more, everything's looking more dystopian. I'm a bit comfortable." - What's crazy is that you can even see in that picture, right? Where they've built those two giant structures. 'Cause I think even that one, you see those- - What, the palm? - Yeah, I think one of the palms also was a failure.

- Yeah. - They built it, but they couldn't sell any of it. 'Cause it was, yeah, that palm is really far out. You can see it's quite far away from all the city. - This is the kind of shit like anthropologists, like 5,000 years from now are gonna uncover and being like, "What does it all mean?" - But like, you can even see in that picture, you're like, "Why didn't we just build more in the palm "that we didn't have buildings?" - Yeah. - Like, why are we trying to reclaim the ocean?

- 'Cause it's not exciting unless we do some weird shit like that, which is, I guess, part of the culture I've realized about venture capitalists and a lot of new big exciting projects is that a lot of these solutions for a lot of these new companies are solving things that we've solved

a long time ago, like with the subway, like with public transport. - But it's about innovation. It's about the next step. - Subway isn't sexy. Building a new city like the way we already have, that isn't sexy. We did that fucking ages ago. We want bigger skyscrapers. We want better buildings. - We want something new and shiny. - Yeah, exactly. - Me and my mom in the UK were like, "Can we build a train?" "No."

How much is it gonna cost? 15 billion. Is it gonna be what we promised? No. Okay. Thanks, UK. Can I add one extra floor on my building? No, no. Too high. Actually, too high. Yeah, UK has had their own disastrous construction project. They just tried to build a train. They couldn't even fucking do that.

- What a fucking mess. What a shit show. - Yeah, I'm sure there is a nice balance somewhere where in the UK we can get, maybe we can get faster trains one day. It feels weird that the UK is smaller than a lot of United States in the States. And it takes like 10 times the amount of time to like get from one side of the country to the other.

Because Jesus Christ, the transport in the UK is so fucking slow. Yeah.

I mean, Australian here can absolutely agree. The public transport is just dog. - Well, you guys just fly everywhere, right? - If you can afford it. - Australia is so big though. - Yeah, if not, then you have to drive for like at least a day to get to the next city. - Sydney has a subway? No, does it not? - It's absolute dog shit. - Oh really? - Does it not? - No, it does. We have a train system, but it is not good.

- You don't use it? - No, hell no. I mean the closest train station to my house is like a 30 minute driveway.

- Is it mainly just buses and stuff that you get around? - It's mostly buses, but the buses are also dog shit too. - Buses are always dog shit, but they're normally the best solution. - Buses in Japan are actually not bad. - Yeah, I don't mind buses in Japan. - Yeah, the buses here actually arrive on time, unless there's massive traffic, but even then they somehow manage to get to and fro on time. - Yeah. - Yeah, in Australia,

My bus that went to high school, it was one every 30 minutes. And then sometimes if the bus was just too full or if the bus driver was late, he just didn't stop.

- I was so annoyed when it happened. Cause I was like, bro, now I have to walk. - Yeah, and I'm like, what the fuck? This is bullshit. - And everyone's gonna punish me for being late. - Exactly. - Bastards, bastards. - I mean, in the UK, I remember when the Elizabeth line opened up and that like Londoners acted like, you know, they just,

- Release the Bible 2 or some shit like that. - That required like the entire financial might of London and the UK for that to even remote to build one fucking train station. It was like a nightmare.

- Jesus Christ. - So we have a pretty good in Japan. - Yeah, Japan's great. Like it's transport that works 'cause it's what people want. - Well, I mean, yeah, 'cause like I feel Japan is one of the, at least a few countries that I'm aware of that has made new like lines and stuff like completely new lines and new routes in trains with little to no complications.

And they've just tried, like, you know, when they build that tunnel that connected Aomori to Hokkaido, like that was like a massive, like biggest, one of the biggest projects in Japan up until that point.

And they pulled it off and a lot of people use it. - It's crazy that they just dug a giant tunnel under the ocean that works. Also on the other side of that though, Japan also does build, 'cause they often have a lot of the budget for infrastructure. You'll be in some places and they're building like a highway. And you're like, why are you building a highway here? Like you'll be driving and there'll be a road and they'll be building a tunnel next to the road that you're already driving on that saves like a minute.

And you're like, why are you building a tunnel? - Not to mention this is like a road that has maybe like- - In the middle of nowhere. - Four cars. - Yeah, it's really bizarre seeing the insane amount of infrastructure that Japan builds in areas that don't really need it or already have a good solution, but they have to use the budget. But they're also expanding the Shinkansen in Hokkaido too. It's going to not Sapporo, it's going to another town in between Sapporo.

- Yeah, it's going to, oh fuck, what was it? It's not Otaru, it's like around there though. - It will be cool when it's done though, 'cause you can get the, 'cause right now if you wanna get the Shinkansen to Sapporo, you have to get the four hour Shinkansen to Hakodate and then change to a normal train. - A normal train which takes like five hours. - It's not that bad. I think it's like a- - I mean the drive is like five hours. - The drive is long. - Yeah. - It gets like an hour and a half for the train. - Opens in 2030.

- 2030, that'd be cool. - Yeah, no, it's Hakodate to Sapporo. - Is it? I thought they were stopping somewhere else as well on the way. - Oh, there might be a couple of stops on the way. - Hokuto station commenced. - No, Hakodate Hokuto is the last stop on the Shinkansen. - Has anything really cool been built in our lifetime?

I'm trying to think. - Like in terms of buildings? - Yeah, just in terms of like landmarks or buildings or like cool shit that, 'cause I don't know if I'm biased, but you know when something- - Hadron Collider?

- That large Hadron cloud is pretty fucking epic. - That is pretty epic. - Literally digging through different countries to build a giant fucking ring tunnel. - Because it's massive out of CO2. - I think it's fucking badass. - Because I think it's- - I thought we pulled that off. - Yeah, I think it's pretty cool when a mega project actually gets done because I think I've lived through more

- Like mega failures. - Mega projects, they get pitched and then they just fucking fail or they get like, or the final vision is like the final product project is like 10% of what the vision actually was. - I think the one that I recently saw was that I think they're building this in Japan. It's the Kamiokante, which is the massive water tank that's used to like detect neutrinos.

And it's gonna be like the largest body of water structure ever created. - It's like near Fuji, right? - I think it's near Fuji. - No, it's, sorry, it's like around like in the Hakuba mountains, like, or is it? - Yeah, Kamiokante. Yeah, yeah, that's it.

- This thing's awesome. - Yeah, the Super Canyo Condor. - This water is apparently so clear, right? That when divers go in the tank, they get like, they feel scared of heights. Some of them are- - Oh really? - Because the water is so clear to the bottom that it doesn't look like water. - Oh shit. - Yeah. And all that is, is basically just a massive detector for neutrinos. - And they've already built two, right?

- Yeah, they have the Kamiokande, the super Kamiokande. And then I think the new one is the mega Kamiokande. - So basically all I'm learning is that if you want some cool shit to get done, just ask the scientists. - Yeah. - Scientists are good at like looking into the future. - Scientists are like, listen,

a massive body of water. - Yeah, listen, we need to just build a massive tunnel just so we can smash some particles together. How metal is that? Could we start a black hole? Well, there's a small- - Possibly. - There's a possible chance, but it is minute, about as much of a chance as setting the atmosphere on fire when they first invented the nuclear bomb. - It is cool. - It's fine. - It's a cool project.

- This is like when being a human's fucking sick. - Yeah. - Like let's pile all of our resources and efforts together to make something just fucking insane. - Yeah. - I mean, you know, like recently when they made the James Webb telescope as well, that thing was fucking insane. - That was insane.

- And so yes, we have made a lot of cool things in our lifetime. - So how come we can make all this cool shit but we can't get working trains in the UK? Like what the fuck? - So Joe, for context, we have this train called HS1 that they've been trying to build now for how long? Can you type HS1 timeline? They've been trying to build this train. They were like, "We're gonna connect the North to London and make it like a super fast." Well, I think it was more about capacity than actually speed. - Like a bullet train type thing? - Kinda, yeah. But I think the main, actually the main point of it was to increase capacity and speed.

London to Paris in two and a half hours.

- Oh, sorry, sorry, H2, sorry, H2, my bad. - Oh, there we go. A long and winding timeline. - And like they've been trying to get this done for so long and they just can't for some reason open one fucking train line. - It said it's taken them 14 years so far. - And then now they've turned around and been like, actually, we're just gonna not do the other half and we're just gonna have the train go, 'cause originally they were gonna go to like Manchester and other parts of the North. They're like, actually, we're just gonna stop at Birmingham now.

And it's like the whole point was to do the North. - We've connected the South to slightly the North. - And they've gone like quadruple budget. - As it always is. - And it's still not done I don't think. Like I think it's still going and it's such a shit show. - 55.7 billion pounds. - Yeah, revised. That's like 70 billion dollars. - Yeah. - And still nothing. Where is this money going? What the fuck are they doing?

Meanwhile, Japan, you give them like a billion and they'll get it all done. - Yeah. It's like seeing the budget of like- - Yeah, now it's at 90. Now the estimate's 98 billion. - 98 billion? - 2020, I bet it's even higher now. - Look at that picture of bars. - Oh, fuck me. - That just says it all. - Scroll down. - Okay, so January, 2022, they're considering finishing it.

- Yeah, basically I think it's- - Scrapping the North Lake October, 2023. All right, cool. - Like it's monumental when some shit actually gets built. - Is it fucking impossible? - It's fucking impossible. - We tried to build one train

and it took a hundred billion and they couldn't even do it after 10 fucking plus years. What the fuck? - Even when I go, every time I go back to Thailand, which you guys probably saw, you like go along the highway and then you see so much construction of just like pillars, like highways and train stops that have just been there since,

I first went to Thailand when I was born. And they just like, I think they just gave up midway. - I just don't want to be the guy to be like getting, you know, 50 to a hundred construction workers to build this giant pillar. They're just turning around being like, actually,

- Let's go home guys. Sorry I made you build that. - It's like, we kind of just ran out of money. So now we just have these things. - Looks cool, I guess. - Monuments. - Yeah. - Fucking. - This is gonna be a great episode of Chris on. Chris will go on like a 90 minute rant. - Oh my God. - This stuff, it's so funny. Hearing Chris rant about this stuff is so funny.

But it's such a shit show. It's fucking useless. But yeah, you know, Japan's like, yep, tunnel underwater. No problem. Let's do it. Easy. Let's do it. It's so cool when you go on that Shinkansen. You're like underwater for like 15 minutes. Oh, longer than that. It's like 20, 30 minutes. It's so cool to think that you're just like blasting through underwater. At like 500 miles an hour. It's crazy. It's such a cool leg. I love getting that Shinkansen, but it's so long.

- Yeah. - For four hours. - Which leg is this one? - Tokyo to Hakodate. - I've never taken that one. - It's so good. And whenever I end up in Hakodate, I always try to get the bullet train back, which is quite rare, but it's so cool. But it's so long, four hours. You can just fly it in an hour.

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