Japan's Earthquakes Are Terrifying | Trash Taste #9
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- So gentlemen, I thought considering, I believe we all watched Japan Sinks recently. - That was a nice little coink-a-dink there. We all watched it separately. I didn't know you guys were watching it. - We didn't make an effort to all watch it. We were all just like, oh, we all just watched it. - We all just turned on Netflix and was like, oh, okay, it's on, cool. - It came out recently of the time of recording. But so by the time you're seeing this might be- - I think it was like three or four days ago. - Yeah, something like that. - Yeah, for us.

- So to explain what Japan Sinks is, since we're gonna be doing some kind of discussion around it, it's the new Masaaki Yuasa anime that was released on Netflix. And it's basically about a giant earthquake that happens in Japan. And after that earthquake happened, Japan starts sinking, I guess. - So for people living in Japan, it is anxiety the anime.

- Dude, okay, first of all, before we get into talking it, in the very first episode, they play the actual- - The sound. - The earthquake sound. - The sound that you're hearing here. - Did we like, I don't know if it's just me. - I checked my phone immediately. - Yeah, I checked my phone.

- I was like, where's my phone? - And I turned that shit down 'cause I was like, fuck, what if my neighbor's here? They stop freaking out. Like they're gonna think there's an actual earthquake. They're elderly below me. Fuck, that made me shit myself. - That gave me so much anxiety. - The first episode of them portraying the earthquake happening, I was really impressed at how realistic it felt.

You know what I mean? 'Cause I probably would have reacted the exact same way as all the characters, right? You know when you hear that earthquake like notification now and then you just kind of block it out. You're like, oh, whatever. It's probably a small earthquake. 'Cause once you've been through about 10 earthquakes in Japan. - Which you will. - Yeah, which you will.

- You hear this notification and it's just like another day of the- - Unfortunately though, every time at least I have heard that notification, it's never been the case of, "Oh, whatever. It's probably just a small earthquake." Because it always happens at like five in the morning. And it's the thing I wake up to. Imagine just having, you're just having a nice sleep wherever you are.

and it's like 4:30 in the morning. And then suddenly you hear this absolutely anxiety-inducing alarm because you just hear the siren, but they don't say like if it's strong or if it's weak. - It just says brace yourself. - Yeah. - Just basically brace yourself. - Zoot, zoot, zoot, zoot. - Hold on to your butt, it might be strong. And I already hate waking up to the sound of an alarm, but when it's an alarm where it's like, oh, I might die, then it's like,

it's the worst. I was enjoying the first episode so much because again, there was this, as you said, it's a really realistic portrayal. But the moment I hear that sound, I just, I don't know. I don't get anxiety often, but- - I went like the caveman SpongeBob meme. They do it like three times. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And I'm like, stop, dude.

Please use like parody noise, like something. - Could you imagine though, like, especially in that first episode, you know, when that second big wave hits. Do you think something like that is going to happen? - Well, didn't they, it's like a lot of, again, I should have done research for this episode, but I swear there's been a few scientific predictions that are like, there's gonna be a mega quake within like 30 or 50 years. - Something like that. - I mean, there has to be, right?

'Cause I mean, the fucking planets, not planets, the countries all pangeated away, right? That doesn't just happen. There has to be stuff that's moving constantly. So inevitably something big is gonna happen. - Inevitably, whether it's in our lifetime or like a children's lifetime or fucking great, great, great grandchildren's lifetime, it's gonna happen somewhere. - Like a megaquake. - Like a megaquake. It's an interesting idea to explore that there's probably gonna be some,

kind of event that's gonna happen sometime in the- - Is there like, I don't know about, I'm sure Thailand has earthquakes, right? - Not really. - Japan is literally on the fault line. The whole country is on the fault line. - Do you guys remember your very first earthquake experience?

- Yeah. - Yeah. - That was 'cause, okay, we're from the UK. It is literally the safest place on earth. - Yeah. - I was about to say, you guys don't get earthquakes, right? - No, no, we're like the furthest away from like any fault line of like any country. - We've had one or two. - Natural disasters in the UK is like non-existent. - It's like running out of tea. - England is so fucking safe. You'd have to try really hard to get yourself killed in England by nature.

- Yeah, you really do have to go out of your way. - Because Australia, we don't have earthquakes at all. - But everything else would just kill you. - But we have bush fires and stuff like that. And of course our animals are just out for blood. But you guys don't even have dangerous animals. - No, we don't. That's why I'm convinced there's so many famous British explorers 'cause they must've been so fucking bored of the UK. Like, "Oh, it's another fucking squirrel. Who'd have thought?" - It's a bigger squirrel.

- Talking to Americans and Canadians who go camping and they have to worry about bears and stuff like that. And I remember going camping in England and I'm just like, oh yeah, like I guess we have to worry about deers. Deers can be dangerous. - I feel like the biggest worry in the UK is how much alcohol do I bring? Like how much alcohol is the right amount of alcohol? - How much alcohol and toilet paper do I bring? - That's always the worry. It's like, I gotta carry two liters of water, 10 liters of alcohol.

So we gotta try and bounce this out somehow. - I remember my very first earthquake experience wasn't in Japan. It was actually in America during AX. - Oh yeah. - Oh last year. - AX 2018, well not last year now. - Yeah. - Oh no, it is last year. - Yeah, last year. - Last year's AX, so 2019 AX. And I remember- - That was your first one? - Yeah, that was my very first one as well. - Really? - Yeah. - Wow. - So yeah, to explain, when we were at AX last year, we went through a magnitude

- Is it seven earthquakes? - It was six or seven. - But it's far away. So it wasn't awful, but it was still, I mean, we were- - It still is the strongest earthquake I've been in even after moving to Japan. And I remember I was on like the 64th floor or something. And it was like such a humbling experience because at first I didn't know what was going on.

I remember standing up and I felt a bit dizzy and I was like, what the fuck's going on? Am I just like really fatigued? Am I hung over? What's going on? So I go up to the window, right? Just imagine you're going up to the window on the 64th floor of a skyscraper. And then you look down and then you see the fucking building just shift like that. And it was just like this.

- Immediately, I've never felt vertigo so fast and I immediately just pins myself against the wall. Just being like, "Shit, shit, this is an earthquake." - I'm surprised you had the balls to go towards the window. - 'Cause I didn't know it was an earthquake. I just thought I was just dizzy or drunk or something. - The first one, 'cause there was like three that weekend.

- Yeah, no, there's two. - It was in the same day, wasn't it? - Yeah, so the first one, I was in the elevator while it was happening and the elevator was shaking a lot more than I thought it should have been shaking. And I'm pretty sure there's a Japanese woman in there who was from one of the stands and she looked fucking terrified. - Oh yeah. - And I was like,

- We're nearly near the bottom. I'm sure it will be fine. We're like 10 floors. I'm sure we got this. But then the second one was, I was with you. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - That was so fun. - You wanna tell that story? - You should tell, you should. - Okay, okay. So the second earthquake that happened, I think it was only maybe a couple of hours after, wasn't it? - Yeah, yeah. - I think it was like- - I literally just rushed to your hotel room 'cause I was busy. - That's right, that's right. - It was like that night. - Yeah, it was you, me, Aki and our friend Nabi. And we were just chilling in our hotel room. We were just talking about what we were gonna do that night. 'Cause I think it was- - We were gonna go to a party. - We were gonna go to a party.

And so we were just chilling before the party started.

And the second earthquake comes through and it was, I think it was stronger than the first one, wasn't it? - I think so. - Something like that. But either way, very strong, like at least magnitude six from what I remember. - I think it was 7.1 though. - I think that was the seven, wasn't it? Yeah. And of course it was an earthquake. I'm used to it. Obviously everybody else wasn't. So we quickly ran out and we were at the very, very top. I think it was like the 68th or 69th floor or something of that hotel.

And even amidst all the panic, Connor and my friend Nabi, they were eating- - I was eating Chick-fil-A. - Chick-fil-A nuggets. And Connor and Nabi just kind of looked at each other and went, "Well, if I'm gonna die, might as well finish off these nuggets." - Everyone was panicking. I remember there was literally that like stereotypical American family. It was one white guy with like three daughters.

"Get down to the floor, get down to the bottom floor, "daughters, I'm gonna direct you." And I'm there with like my nuggets walking past him. So I'll be like, "Ah, I mean, it's fine." I go about, yeah, go on, go on. - If I'm gonna die, at least I'm gonna die with nugs in my hands. - Yeah, exactly. - We were like rushing down the stairs. We got like 20 floors down. I was like, "I'm not, you know what? "I don't wanna do any more physical exercise. "I think I've done enough." So I did a move, which is probably not a pro gamer move. I was like, "You know what?

The shaking stopped like two minutes ago. I'm gonna get the elevator. There's 50 more floors and I would rather die literally than get these stairs. And I went to the elevator, but the weird configuration of this hotel, you had to go back to the top. - Yeah, to go down again. - So that means then I was like, all right, well, the elevators are still working. They should have been stopped. They were still working. So I was like, okay. So I go back from the 50th floor, which I just walked down from the 70th to the 50th.

I walked all the way down and I was like, okay, I'm gonna go back up to the 70th floor. I go to get the elevator to go all the way down and they're blocking it off. They're like, you can't go until it's safe. And I'm like-

- Meanwhile, our other friend was just like, "Fuck it, I'm gonna walk all the way down." He sprinted all the way down. He's just waiting at the bottom and he calls me. He's like, "Are you guys alive?" - 'Cause I convinced them. I'm like, "Listen guys, you guys can keep walking. I'm getting the elevator." And then they were like, "Okay, we'll come." - No, no, I came with you. I remember. I was just like, "Well, great, we're back. I guess we ran down 24th for no reason." - It was so scary though, 'cause I remember,

I was a little, I wasn't worried because the doors were closing and opening on their own. I thought that's okay, I can deal with that. What I didn't anticipate was when I looked out the building, I could literally see the building opposite us. We were going like this. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Parallaxing. - Yeah, yeah. - And I was like, oh, that's not right. - Buildings shouldn't do that. 'Cause I remember it was like, to me, it was a really humbling experience. Just at that moment, I was like,

my life is not in my own hands. Like if this building collapses, there is literally nothing I can do. 'Cause you know when you feel like something bad happens, you feel like you have some kind of control. Like you might see a car coming and you think, maybe I can jump out of the way of this. There was like, if the building was just not designed, like logically I knew this building was designed to withstand earthquakes,

in my heart I was like, okay, at this moment I'm just putting my faith in the engineers and the builders that they've done their job fucking correctly. 'Cause if they haven't, I'm dead and there's literally nothing I can do about it. And I guess that was like a first for me. I'd never been in that kind of situation where I had just, my life was in the hands of like completely something, some other external- - To be fair, I've experienced a lot of earthquakes in my life, but being in the world

- Being on the 69th, 70th floor was definitely a first for me. I've been in apartment buildings that are like 10, 20 floors high and that was still scary because again, the whole thing is shaking. I have to keep telling myself it's good that it's shaking. It's good that it's shaking. But my first, I think the scariest earthquake experience I had was, it was in Japan obviously. And it was up north where my grandma lives.

And it was where the giant earthquake of 2011 hit essentially. So that place is like a hotspot for massive earthquakes. And I was there, I was in some kind of like a DVD rental place, like a really old DVD rental place near there with my sister. And suddenly I think it was like an magnitude seven and a half or something like that. Really, really big. It was so big in fact that all of the DVDs and books on the shelves just fell.

- Oh, wow. - And I had to like grab my sister's hand and just fucking get the hell out of there. - Wow. - But we couldn't go all the way out because the shop assistant was like, don't go out into the street because if a street, if a shit falls, then you're dead. So we had to kind of stand in the doorframe of the shop and just kind of wait for it to settle down. And yeah, that was definitely a lot scarier because

I thought being on a building was scary. Being on the ground floor, like on the street in something that big is really scary. - Yeah, 'cause people running out and I thought that's kind of dumb 'cause the building's really safe. Running out and you don't know what could like,

- Exactly. - If a traffic light or a street light falls on you, then it's, you know. - I think it's that sense of control, you know, that you think you have, even though statistically you are actually safer in the building. - Yeah, the buildings are designed, at least the newer ones, I think, like, I mean, that was a really big hotel and it's mainly designed for like 13 magnitude earthquakes. - Yeah. - Like, they're pretty fucking sturdy. - Speaking of sense of control though, the characters in Japan sinks have none.

- My God, can we go back to that? - Are we gonna spoil things? Is this gonna be the first spoiler warning that we need to do? - We've had a spoiler warning before. - Okay, there'll be a spoiler warning on screen. We're gonna spoil things. - It's only 10 episodes, it's on Netflix. - Go watch it. - Go watch it, it's great. - If you don't care about being spoiled, feel free to watch. I hate the main girl so much. I could not stand her. - I didn't mind her at first, but then when she started to get a bit whingy,

- Can I, okay, to get my opinions out of the way, what do you guys think of the series overall? - I'm glad that we finally have some good propaganda for YouTubers.

I'm glad that we need more YouTube propaganda. YouTubers are good guys. - We need more OP YouTuber characters. - Dude, I'm so glad. I was like, wow, he's a YouTuber and he's not an asshole. This is amazing. This is amazing. - So there's a character in Japan Sinks that is just a YouTuber and he's a YouTuber who's a fucking superhuman 'cause he can do everything. - He's mad, Chad. - Where did he get a tank from?

- What did the tag come from? - We're just not gonna explain. - I love how it's not even that, but like the way that he enters in that fucking fan propelled. - Yeah, I know. - And he's just like, yeah, this is mine. I bought it with my YouTube ad ramp. And it's like, what videos are you uploading? - Are you really telling me you're gonna film a video of Okinawa sinking and that shit's gonna be monetized? Come on.

Millions of people died, monetized, fuck off. No way. - Can we just appreciate that the character is basically Felix, PewDiePie, if he just had like- - He's like white haired Felix. - The time when Felix had the really, really blonde hair. - I remember when I met Felix and when he came in on his motorized flying. - It's like the idealized vision of PewDiePie. Like this is his final form, right?

- Just rocks in a tank. - I wouldn't be surprised if he changes his profile picture to that character next because it was Rio from Devil May Cry for the longest time. - It's Rio. - It looks like Rio.

- Yeah. - But I guess when I saw that, and as you said, it was probably one of the first times that a YouTuber has been kind of viewed in a lot more of a positive light. - And in a positive fashion. - It really goes to show me that I think Mossack Uwis is a fan of YouTube. - Yeah. - It just disappointed me that in his final scene, he didn't send them off by going, "And don't forget to like and subscribe!"

- Yeah, very unrealistic. There was never a pull to subs... There was not one sponsorship in the whole thing. Come on. No rage shadow. - I wanna imagine him flying away like freezing half to death in the stratosphere and he's like, "Spots my rage shadow." - Very unrealistic. - Yeah. - Okay, I'm gonna...

- Out of 10, was it good or bad? What do you guys think? - Okay, I'm not gonna say that it was a 10. I'm gonna give it like a solid seven. - I thought it was like a four or five. - Really? You didn't like it? - Nah, I didn't like it either. - Okay, here's my- - I couldn't stop watching it, but I didn't, there's so many things I hated. - Right.

- Okay, here's the thing. This is like a proper mixed bag for me. - Yeah, same. - The way I would describe it is that it's a four out of 10 series with some 10 out of 10 scenes. - Okay, that's fair. - It was really weird 'cause some scenes were fucking amazing. It was like peak Yuasa. - First two episodes, absolute bangers. - No, exactly. And like some of the scenes in like last two episodes, absolutely bangers as well. Like the scenes with the YouTuber and like some of the death scenes. - Oh, the scene where the guys run.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I don't know what you also has about making emotional running scenes, but it's- - And the father's death completely caught me off guard. - Oh, dude, that ruined it. - And I was like, oh cool, the one character I liked is dead in episode two. - I literally thought like, wow, this, like after I finished episode two, I thought like this could be a 10 out of 10 if they keep up with like how good this is. And then- - And then we went into the cult. - And then we go to the cult and I was like, oh no, this is awful. This is actually awful.

- The cult arc for me was so bittersweet because as a massive fan of U.S's stuff, I'm like, oh, this is so U.S. - There's a scene when- - What the fuck was the cult arc? What the fuck was it? - Okay, you gotta admit the 360 no scope. - That was amazing. - That wasn't the part where I laughed most. You know the part where I laughed most? - Where's the kid dying?

- I was just watching a dead series and the kid just gets fucking destroyed by this rock. I literally just let out like a. - It was so perfect comedic timing. It was just, he turns around and was like, "Oh, car, sir." - Yeah.

- It was like slapstick comedy. - No, it was. - What was that? - It was. No, 'cause I remember I was like properly, I was properly invested in the series. - No, same. - My first two episodes, I probably invested. And then like some things just fell off, like as the series went on, right? 'Cause like I remember their father dying

And it was, he died in a really horrific fucking way. And then nobody really just acknowledged that. - Yeah, it just cuts, doesn't it? - Yeah, they had like one conversation. It's like, oh, you're forgetting dad. And then they just like the next scene, like happy go lucky fucking shopping in a supermarket. And I'm just like, if that was real, I wouldn't be able to say anything for like the next five days. - Yeah, exactly. - I don't even think about. - And yet for some reason, every other character that dies after that, they have like a full on emotional scene

- Yeah, it was. - That just drags out like crazy, right? - Yeah, something just fell off about the characters. I don't know what it was about how they were written, but it just didn't, like sometimes they acted the way I would imagine people would act and sometimes they just acted in a completely random way. And then the cult arc happened.

And I was like, okay, okay. Now we've gone from something feels off to this is just stupid. - So much needed explaining about that whole thing. Where were they getting all of this food from? - Where were they getting all of the weed? - So much weed. - Just fields of weed. Like in Japan, you're just gonna grow fields

- They never explained the fact that like the grounds where the cult stood wasn't affected by the tilting continental shift. - There was so much stuff when it got to the cult arc where I was like, this is too much, too many holes for me to just like be like, this is okay. - At the end of it all, I think the only reason, I was trying to figure out, okay.

what was the point of this cold arc? Like what were they trying to build to? And I think the only thing that came out of this cold arc was just the fact that they got that Morse code talking professor out of there. - But why was he there? None of this was explained. - It was just a slapstick comedy. - I remember watching the cold talk and

- You know that point when you're like really invested in the show and then you go from being invested to just laughing at how bad it's become. That was the cold talk for me. And I couldn't get invested back into the show after that. - Yeah, it hurt too much after the cold walk happened. And the fact that they just were like, okay, if the old man is addicted to morphine, I'm fine with that. But they didn't even build up to that at all. They could have showed some kind of, you know, like they could have maybe shown him taking some pills. - The fact that the old man shot that kid at the end of episode four,

And then they were like, and then he was like, oh, I'm sorry. You know, whatever. - I didn't mean to show you, let me fix your Game Boy. - Dude, you just fucking shot my kid with the intent to kill him. It'd be like, if he didn't have his fucking DS, like he would be dead.

- And you're just gonna let him hang around? - That was actually the last PS Vita. - To be fair though, at the end of episode four when the kid got shot, I was like, oh, thank God he's dead. My God, that kid was fucking annoying. - Okay, did you watch the sub to dubbed? - I watched both. - I watched sub. - I literally, I was like, I watched the dub, something fell off, I watched the sub and for the first time in my fucking life, I could not stand like the voice acting in the sub.

- I get it that they're supposed to be like native in both, but then I feel like they should have got people who are native in both. It's doable because whenever he said, "Let's go." It's just like, that's not- - Yeah, it sounds really off. - Daddy. - Or they could have even have just gotten someone with a similar voice type who speaks English. You know what I mean? - What is it about, you also did this in Devilman Crybaby as well, where Ryo's English was just

- Stop doing this shit. - So off-putting. - Stop doing this shit. - And yet somehow they can't get, I made this joke on Twitter, but I think it was the second to last episode where they were in Russia and they got those like three nurses who could speak perfect Russian and yet they can't get a single English speaking voice actor.

It was like, why? How is it so hard? - Yeah, 'cause in the dub, how do they deal with the bilingualness? - They didn't really. The boy just always spoke English. So that's why- - Did they mention it at all that he could speak both? - No, no. I mean, they kind of did. I wanted them to just be like,

- It's just like a reverse. - It's like a huge plot point, 'cause then later on when the barrage comes with the Japanese only. - Oh, the Japanese KKK? - Which the whole, you know, the dynamics of that boat, just the engineering standard of it were all horrific. That boat that you couldn't handle waves. Like waves could just come off. - It literally burst into flames for no reason.

- Oh my God, sorry. I just got, yeah, I got the engineering. - The more we're discussing this, the more I'm regretting giving it a seven. - The emotions it gave me were a 10. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Let's not forget that they also added a woman who could speak to the dead that was just never explained.

Why did they show us her sex scene? - Like there was several points in the cult arc. - Why did they show her sex scene? I don't need to see that shit. - There was two points I burst out laughing. One was the kid dying and the second one was like the fucking Mexican standoff where she just brings a fucking samurai sword out against this sword fight. - I was like, is this Kill Bill? Is this a Kill Bill scene? - That was such a Quentin Tarantino scene where it's like, there's a guy with a bag full of gold bars with a gun and she just rocks off with a samurai sword and the guy just walks up the stairs and is like,

And I'm just like, what am I watching? I thought I was watching like a disaster movie and it's turned into fucking Kill Bill. It was just, I couldn't stop taking sick. I couldn't stop laughing at that point. - What did you guys think of the last episode?

- I really fucking hated the last episode. - Yeah, the last episode just kind of dragged out for a little bit too long. - The last episode was, "Remember when the Olympics was meant to happen right now?" - Well, this is awkward. - Don't forget the Paralympics too. Just gotta make sure. - I mean, I'm sure it would have hit harder because the Olympics would be happening right now. If this was released right now, I'd be like, "Oh, that's..."

- That's a pro gamer move there you are. So I see you, but now that the Olympics isn't happening. - It was just one giant ad for the Olympics. - Oh no, it was. - I didn't wanna say that, but like it definitely like felt a little ad-like. Like look how amazing the Olympics are. And it's like,

- It's like, yeah, we know. We know how good the Olympics are or how good it should have been. - Because I didn't like, maybe I wasn't paying attention to this, but I saw a lot of people commenting saying that the show was like very political at times. And I was thinking like, I don't know if it was that political. People are trying to put that on it. Like I didn't get that. Did you get that? - Not really. - Maybe they were talking about the rap scene.

- Maybe, maybe. - Which I liked. - I liked the rap scene. - I liked the rap scene. - This is a really random scene, but I'm all for it. - It was a good scene. It was random though. I was like, I don't know what this is, but we can keep doing it. - But it's such a Yuasa move where he was just like, okay, I really wanna tell people how much I love Japan, but how much Japan sucks, but not make it super political. Freestyle rap, baby, let's do it. - So originally was the,

- Rap in Japanese in the Japanese dub. - Yeah, yeah. - 'Cause like I didn't notice because at that point I was just purely watching the English dub and it was all in English and it was really, really done well. So I didn't know if it was a case where they just like had that one specific scene in English.

But I really enjoyed the last two episodes. Not the last two episodes, like episode nine and the one before that. - Yeah, those are two really strong episodes. - Like I said, I wasn't invested in the characters at that point, which is really weird because there was some scenes that I felt something even though I had,

Zero investment in the story and the characters. But just 'cause of like the sheer brilliance of some of the ways these scenes were directed, I was like, man, I'm feeling something even though I really shouldn't be right now. - Did the mom have to die? Like I was thinking like, I was like, did she have to enter life here for this? 'Cause they kind of went like, I don't know if they probably went further, but it was like one minute on the boat, oop, it's out of fuel. - I think it was implied though that because her,

like device hadn't run out of battery. - Oh, was it really? - She was officially going to die. - But didn't she have like a solar panel? - No, no, because like that thing had become busted. - Oh, it had? Oh shit. - So the implication was that she was going to die anyway. - Oh shit, I didn't pick that up. 'Cause I thought, is she just killing herself for like the lols here? Like what's going on? Is she just drowning for like fun? - I mean, at this point- - She's like, I have to fill in my one death per episode quota. - Yeah, at this point it was just, they were just killing characters off. - That's what it felt like. It felt like they were like, every character was gonna die now and we were just gonna sit through it. Like it didn't feel like it was needed.

- And the one character that should have died a million years ago, which is the crippled doctor survived. How, somehow, I don't know how. - No, like, yeah, that was my biggest problem with it because it wasn't the fact that people were dying. It was the fact that you just knew that we're gonna die. - Someone was gonna die. - Like it was just, okay, here's the scene where this person's gonna die. You know, there's no tension or anything. You're just, okay, well, they're gonna die.

And they're dead and everyone's moving on now. - And it's sad and you should be sad. And Japan sinking. - Yeah. So like- - But YouTube are good. - YouTube are good. - YouTube are good. - YouTube are good. - No, it's really weird though because I was having this conversation with Joey earlier though. I think we can end the spoiler discussion now. - No more spoilers. - Well, unless there's anything else you guys want to discuss about the series specifically. - Why of all pro games did he become a League of Legends pro?

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I still ended up having like good time watching it on Netflix. I don't know why. - I couldn't look away. It was great. - I don't know why where it's, I find it so easy to watch anime on Netflix as opposed to watching anime on like any other platform. - I've been saying this since early 2018, ever since Devil May Cry Baby and other, it was around the time when Netflix just started to get their hands on a lot of anime IPs that,

- At least with stuff that comes out on Netflix, Castlevania did it really well as well. - Castlevania was so good. - I think the reason why Netflix can kill it so hard with anime is because they know that most anime viewers, including probably all three of us, we'd like to watch shows just in one big chunk. - Castlevania is so fucking good. - Castlevania is fucking amazing.

I think what it is is that because whenever they release something new, they just go, we know you can't wait an entire week. So we're just gonna give you the whole thing all in one go. And it's perfect because Netflix is designed to binge. - Just be binged.

- It also feels like there's no seasonal pressure as well. It's like if there's just one big show that drops, go watch it right now. - It's not under any kind of like scheduling. - No, it's not. - 'Cause I've had plenty of shows where I wanna binge them and I wait, like they're on Crunchyroll or Funimation or whatever platform. And I'm like, okay, I'm gonna wait for this to be over and then I'm gonna binge it and then it's over and then I don't binge it and I just don't watch it sometimes. - Yeah, because by the time it ends, there's another whole,

- It's like a whole new batch of shows that you're interested in now. So you never have time to go back to it. - Yeah. And then I've watched so many like mediocre anime on Netflix. I have no idea why, but like- - You can download it. It's super easy. - I remember watching, I think "Be The Beginning" as well. I was like severely disappointed in how that turned out. I watched it all in one night and there are still many shows on every other platform that I just,

still have not watched and I'm just like, I'm on my plan to watch this. So yeah, I don't know what it is about watching shows on Netflix. It just makes it so- - It's just painless. Like it's so easy to watch. Like they make it way too easy for you to enjoy it the way you want to enjoy it. - Right. They just know the viewing habits of people of our demographic. - And the app works so well on your phone. So it's so easy to just chuck that shit on the Chromecast and download it to your phone.

saves where you are, it's so good. - We're not sponsored by Netflix. - But if they wanna hit us up. - But if they wanna hit us up. - God, yeah. - Okay, how'd you feel about the skip opening button though? - I love the skip opening button.

- I like the option. - I like having the option. - Yeah, but like it's- - But I don't like how the default is that they skip it. - It's default though. - Yeah, I don't like how the default is skipping because- - Wait, they don't skip it straight away. - Yeah, they do. - The first time you watch it, you don't have the option. Well, you do have the option to skip it,

but he plays it for you automatically. But every time after that, then they just assume that you're going to skip it, which sucked because when I was watching Beastars on Netflix, I was like, I don't want to skip this fucking opening. - Yeah, Beastars you watch, but you don't have to do it. - You have to touch it, Jerry. It's there in case you don't want it. It's not like, "Touch me, touch me, Jerry, touch." - Speaking of Masaaki Yuusa though, how much Yuusa stuff have you guys watched?

in the past? - I've watched most of this stuff except for probably Kaiba.

- Devilman, is that his? - Yeah, Devilman is his. - What else has he done? - Oh, Eizouken as well. - Yeah, it's Eizouken. - It's funny that I still haven't watched Eizouken, even though I've watched Japan Sinks, which I feel like is gonna be worse than Eizouken. And Eizouken's been out for a while. - He's done Eizouken, he's done Ping Pong the Animation. - Oh, I love Ping Pong the Animation. - He's done Kaiba, he's done- - Mind Game. - Mind Game. - Ping Pong's one of my favorites. - Kick Hearts as well, which was the Kickstarter one. - He's done a lot of,

- I've seen Indie films as well. He does, yeah, "Your Wave." - Oh, I haven't seen "Riger Wave." - I still haven't seen that. - Yeah, I really need to watch that. It's about the, it's like girlfriend, boyfriend dies, they both love the ocean and then boyfriend reincarnates as a wave.

That's the only way to describe it. That's the easiest way to describe it. - Sounds like a hentai. - Boyfriend resurrects as a water beast, essentially. - No, 'cause I think my favorite Yuasa work will like is at the moment, "Ping Pong: The Animation." - Oh my God. - Yeah, "Ping Pong" is fantastic. - That hit me on like a really fucking deep level. - It hit different. - I really wanna stop saying that.

Every time we're on, it's like, oh, this show just hits different. - I guess 'cause it's so relatable in some way. Like you've probably been good at something without trying and you've also probably not been good at something. - We had a lot of comments last week that was, yeah, Connor's chess story is basically ping pong the animation just with chess. - Yeah, yeah. - You know what I mean? But the way it just portrayed, 'cause to me it's not a sports anime.

To me, "Ping Pong: The Animation" is a life anime that happens to follow characters around one single sport. 'Cause it's such a good metaphor for life in general when it comes to the discussion of talent versus hard work.

and just basically how crushingly depressing life can be sometimes. - Life isn't fair. - Yeah, life is not fair. - And no one's entitled to anything, unfortunately. - I mean, that's the whole reason why I fucking loved "Marsh Comes in Like a Lion" 'cause that's essentially the exact same thing. - I haven't seen that yet. I really wanna see that. - It is not a show about shogi. You'll get into shogi after watching it, but much like "Ping Pong: The Animation," it's just a story about how

it doesn't matter how good you are at something, you're still gonna be depressed as fuck. - Yeah, that's the reason I've been putting it off. I'm like, I don't wanna be depressed. - It gets pretty upsetting. - I know it does. I know it does. Everyone who's watched it is like, yeah, I loved it. I was just ruined. - It's so good though. - Do you think "Japan Sinks" is his worst work that you've seen so far then?

- Out of like the three I've seen, yeah, it's probably. - I mean, I haven't seen everything Masaaki Yosa has to offer. - I haven't seen much. - I've seen a lot, but I'd probably say it's, yeah, it's probably his weakest. - Yeah, I think definitely for me it was his weakest. - Literally just remove the cult.

- Yeah. - That's good. - So many problems will be solved if he just had removed the cold episode. - Yeah, I honestly, not every problem would be solved, but a lot of it. It would be like a lot better 'cause I still had problems with how the characters were written and how the story played out. But removing the middle arc would have made it like an easy seven to eight out of 10. Because there was still, like I said, there was still some amazing scenes. - Oh yeah, there was some plenty amazing scenes.

- And it was like peak Yuasa and if I was actually invested, I would think that the show had some pretty amazing moments in it because I feel like just it got bogged down by its story so much. Whereas his other works, I feel it was like a nice combination between this Yuasa style of directing because he has a, I don't know, some of his scenes, the way he,

- The way he portrays and directs, especially like the emotional scenes, they just, they can hit really hard. And I don't know what he does. - You're so close to saying it. - Shut the fuck up. - You're so close to saying it. - I said it in my head. - It hits the source. - Yeah, I agree. I definitely think that Yuasa,

- Regardless of how strange it is that the way that he portrays character designs and just movement in general. - Just animation. - Just animation in general. - Okay, I'm one of those anime viewers who does not care who the director is or any of that stuff. I just watch the show and that's how I watch an anime. I do that with everything. So, I mean, I could tell it was from the same guy who did Devilman within like 10 seconds. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Just tell. That's how I do it. - Because Yuasa's...

films and series have this really weird thing where sometimes you look at a character design and you think, oh wow, that looks pretty cool. And then the next scene, it looks like it's written by like the intern, you know? - There are changes. I think there was like a few frames in it where it was like characters talking and it was like, bro, like paint. - You can take a screenshot of that and just be a perfect meme. - I will say out of like all his works, I feel like "Japan Sinks" was his most like,

normal looking work in terms of visual style and animation. - Big air quotes for normal. - No, no, no. You compare "Ping Pong" the animation and then you go to "Devilman Crybaby" and then "Japan Sinks." I would say he's progressively gotten in terms of his big series at least- - More normal. - More like normal. - "Ping Pong" is one ugly looking show, but in a great way. - In a great way. Like he had a very unique art style and some of the scenes were like,

- They had a very unique animation style and some, I would still say sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't work so well, but it was definitely a very Yuasa style. - At least you know it's hip. - Yeah. - How many fucking of those generic Isekai shows are you like, are these all animated by the same fucking people? They all look the same. I can't tell. - You ask any soccer guitar and they'll probably know. It's like, oh, this was directed by-

- I don't care. - I see an isekai protagonist now and it's literally a carbon copy of Kirito. I remember doing like a copy and paste of seven different like isekai protagonists and they all looked exactly the same. It was all that generic. - Probably because they're all A1. - It's the exact same art style, the exact same animation all the time. And it's like, it's such a breath of fresh air to even get anything different. - That's what I love about Masaaki Uesa because he's just so,

so weird that it's just instantly recognizable. Especially, you know, Japan Sinks, as you were saying, even though it looks the most normal, probably to the general anime viewing audience, they would look at those characters and be like, "Oh, that looks fucking weird." But then you go back to Masaki Yus's catalog, you watch something like Kaiba? Like that thing, that doesn't even look like anime. That thing looks like, you know, some kind of like Disney demo that it was locked away in the Disney vault for a while. - But people say this about JoJo as well. They're like, "The art style's weird. I can't get into it." I'm like, "You'll know."

- You'll appreciate it. - It's an acquired taste. - Once you acquire that taste, there's no going back. - Taste acquired. I like JoJo now.

- I was gonna say, I completely forgot about the one show. I knew I was forgetting one show when we were talking about Masaaki Yusso, "Tatami Galaxy." - Oh! - Did you ever watch that? - No clue. - "Tatami Galaxy" was fucking amazing. Like you watched it, right? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's fucking amazing. - It's monogatari but on crack. - It is monogatari. - This will test your reading ability to the max. - The monologue is so fast that Japanese people struggle to keep up with it. They're like, "Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, pause, pause, pause, pause, pause. What the fuck did he just go back?"

- I've never heard of monologue and just talking scenes that go by so goddamn quickly. It is Monogatari on crack essentially. - It's basically like if you take Monogatari but try to speed run the dialogue and that's an episode of the Tatami Galaxy, but it's fucking great. - And that's on top of the fucking crazy Masaaki U.S.A visuals. But where it's just like, I don't know if this is like a dreamscape or if it's just weird.

- Yeah. - Yeah, but it's great. It's fantastic. - One thing that we kind of like glossed over in terms of Japan Sinks that I wanna talk about though is the music. I thought the music was fantastic. - I thought it was phenomenal. - And I think that's definitely some of,

it was what helped make some of the scenes to me. - That main track, I think it played most of the first episode when the main character was running back to a family, that kind of slow piano song. I love that track because it's really positive sounding and yet putting it next to the absolutely devastating visuals, it just becomes such a creepy song where it's like, oh, everything and everyone is dead.

- I think what sold me on the first two episodes was just seeing some of these horrific scenes, horrific landscapes and hearing this beautiful piano track that just gave this juxtaposition that just like, it was really unnerving, but beautiful at the same time. The way I described it to Sydney was it felt like I was watching something that was horrifically beautiful.

- Yeah. - And that's- - It was like a beautiful destruction. - Yeah, yeah, exactly. And I don't know who the composer was. It sounded very similar to Devilman Crybaby's soundtrack in some scenes as well. I don't know if it's the same composer. I probably should have done my research before talking about Japan Sings on this podcast. - I mean, I'm sure it was done by Science Sara who did Devilman Crybaby. So I assume it's the same guy, but I don't know. I'm sure someone in the comments can tell us about that. But yeah, I love that piano track because

I don't know. I'm not gonna lie, the first time I heard it, it kind of reminded me of the Minecraft soundtrack a little bit.

I was like, if this played during Minecraft, I would not be phased in any way. - God fucking dammit, man. - Can someone in the subreddit take that piece of music and put it over Minecraft Let's Play and see if you can spot this. - It's like, Garnt, this was such horrific beauty. The juxtaposition was amazing. Joey, Minecraft. - It sounds like Minecraft.

- I was like, oh Minecraft. - I don't know if I'm just dumb, but I cannot remember any of the music. - Really? - You can't? - No, I can't remember fucking anything. I watched it all in one sitting though. - Yeah, we all did. - Did you all watch it in one sitting? - Yeah. - Oh, okay, I don't remember fucking anything. - We just have a bigger brain. - Clearly, I think I was preoccupied with, how do they get a tank? - Okay, question to you then, what kind of OSTs do you remember? What sticks out for you then? - Fuck.

- Anything where like the music is like a huge selling point, I guess. - You are. - What do you mean?

- I mean, I don't want to be that guy, but like the one that sticks out immediately is like, you remember Cowboy Bebop, like the super jazzy, jazzy things, right? Like, but I wouldn't listen to jazz on its own. I'm like, cause I'm like, this just sounds like a mess. - I mean, I've come to understand that when it comes to music, you're a little bit brain dead because you don't really listen to, because you know, Garnt and I can have a conversation of, oh, this band is awesome. - We're the intellectuals. - This artist is awesome.

- And yet I remember I asked Connor once, I was like, "Who's your favorite band?" And he was just like, "I don't really have one." I'm like- - I like Daft Punk, and you know why? 'Cause it's just noise most of the time. I hate, I never listened to lyrics. I think I listened to pumped up kicks like a thousand times where someone was like, "It's about school shooting." And I actually listened to it.

I'm like, "Oh yeah, I guess it is." I don't know if I'm just like, I don't know what's wrong with me. - You are monkey brain. - It's a monkey brain coming back, man. - I have like half monkey brain, half giant brain, depending on like what comes up. - Do you know a single composer?

- Kevin Penkin? - I was gonna say aside from Kevin Penkin, 'cause he's our fucking mate. He's not composing our minds. He's just a mate. - Do you know what he composed other than "Made in Abyss"? - Yeah, he did- - And other than "Tower of God"? - "Shield Hero". - Oh, okay, okay, okay. - "Shield Hero" is pretty- - The boy's not completely brain dead, that's good. - I guess 'cause I focus more on voice acting than anything. And that's like taking up all the noise input I can take, right?

- I don't really give a shit about the music. To me, the music is just like- - Does the music not enhance your viewing experience though? - The music to me is so fucking important. - Yeah. - No, no, not really. - Like if a...

if there's a shitty series with a good soundtrack, I'm still gonna remember that soundtrack. - I absolutely agree. - To this day, I will never forget Guilty Crown, despite how shit Guilty Crown turns into. - Jim Boo. - Sawano fucking killed it with that soundtrack. - That opening's a fucking thing. - There's some songs that will invoke an emotion in me from if they've been a soundtrack, but as far as it goes, it's like, no. - But have you never listened to a Sawano soundtrack and just gotten pumped up? - No.

- Not at all. - Maybe at the gym, I'll put anime soundtrack to get hyped too and maybe a song will come up. - But say for example, "Premiere." You fucking love that movie, right? - Yeah, it's a great movie. - Do you remember the soundtrack? - No. - How? - What, how? - How is it that the most in your face composer that has ever existed in anime, Connor's like, no impression. - If you were like,

describe a song to me from Promare, I'd be like, "I have no fucking idea." - No clue. - You watch Promare, you watch Attack on Titan. - Yeah. - What other songs? - Yeah, Attack on Titan, I remember the one that goes, I don't remember one from Attack on Titan, I don't know what it is. - Kill la Kill, you remember Kill la Kill? - Yeah, Kill la Kill, I remember all of it too. - That's all sauna. - Yeah, yeah, I remember like individual songs, but if you asked me to like describe them or what I like about them, I'd be like,

- They're all like crayon colors too. Like for all I care, you could put like fucking Kevin MacLeod music, whatever he's called. - Kevin McCloud. - McCloud, that's what he's called. You can put Kevin McCloud background. - The Creative Commons composer. - You know this song. You can put those fucking songs and I would give a fuck. - To be fair, some shows I've listened to have sounded like some Kevin McCloud music. - Oh no, no. There's definitely been some generic sounding soundtracks that,

- But they're normally like for generic shows, right? But I don't know, a soundtrack can easily sell me a series. - I wish I could give a fuck. I don't know. It's with music as well. I love Daft Punk. I just like, wow, the noise sounds nice. Like I like the noise. You know what I mean?

Is that weird? Is that weird? - Yes, it is weird. - Am I weird? - It is very weird. - I think you just basically described music in the most like bare bones monkey brain. - It is a bunch of noises put together. - I think I actually am like a caveman when it comes to music. I'm like, ooh, the beeps and the boops are very pleasing. - Music goes boop. - Yeah, yeah, music goes boop, boop, boop.

- I mean, that's a huge reason when it comes to soundtracks, that's a huge reason why I love anything made by Key Studios, right? Because Maeda Jun is a fucking amazing composer and his like just subtle piano tracks or any of the openings and endings just, it builds on the scene so fucking nicely and adds like a whole like- - Totally.

- At least to me, I don't know, maybe I'm the only one, but I could just listen to say any track from Clannad or Air or Little Busters. And it could be a specific song that can evoke a specific scene and I could easily shed a tear just from listening to it. - Like his work is basically if you wanna hit the emotional G spot. You know what I mean? Like you hear it and you're like,

- Oh shit, no. - How does a single piano put this much emotion behind it? I have no fucking idea. - I feel like the Mike Wazowski meme where he's just standing there right now. Just listening to this conversation.

- You are the first person to ever describe Daft Punk as noise. I'm just saying. - Pleasant noise is the way I like it. - Pleasant, you mean music? - Interstellar three, whatever it's called. What is it? Interstellar three? - Five, five, five. - That's great. I love that. That's great. I love that. - Has the track never evoked emotions from you though?

- Have you never listened to- - Actual emotions? - Okay, what's your favorite Daft Punk track? - Oh, that's hard. I really like "Face to Face." - Okay, why is it your favorite track?

- Oh my God. - Is it because it evokes an emotion? You can see in his face, he's never thought about this before. - I've never. - Why is this my favorite song? - No, I like all the sampling in it. I think it's like crazy how creative they are with sampling. - Right, so you're looking at them. So is there, okay, think about the one Daft Punk song. It doesn't have to be Daft Punk. Just think about the one song that has evoked like any kind of emotion in you. What song would that be and what emotion would that be?

- I don't think there is. I don't think there is a song that evokes emotions in me. Is that mad? What does that mean? What does that mean about me as a person? - I'm talking to a fucking brick wall here. - It's like trying to explain to, you know, pepper the Android what music is. It's just like, it does not compute. - I feel like I'm alien right now. - What is emotion? - What is culture? What is this? I don't know. I guess like,

- For me, maybe that's why I focus, I feel like I'm really strong in being able to

really break down voice acting and shows and really like get into it. But I think that's because I'm completely fucking ignoring. - What like brings emotions to you? - The story and the characters and the performances. - Okay, but does voice acting not give you emotion? - Yeah, the voice acting does. - Okay, so how come music can't do that? - I don't know. I guess I can't like, I don't know. It doesn't connect with me. I don't know. - Do you know a medium where you can feel emotion just by story and characters?

- Books? - Books. - Which we've established. - But I'm like, I don't wanna read the book. I want someone to read it for me. The music for me is something that like ties it together. And it's something that if it's done well, I don't notice.

And if it's done badly, I will notice. - Okay, no, I agree with that. - Which is the way I think that most people view like voice acting. - No, no, I agree with how, if music is done well, if it's done so well, then sometimes you can't notice it. But then there's a level- - No, 'cause I don't look out for it. Like I don't seek the music. - No, no, when I say good, I mean like just,

- It blends in perfectly. - Satisfactory music, you don't notice it. But you will definitely hear when a soundtrack is really fucking good. - When there's a track that they use in amazing ways, I'll notice that track and I'll have a little log of it. - But does that not give you emotion? - You've definitely heard the Sawano drop. - Yeah, and I'm like, I get a little hype. - A little hype. - I'm like, woo, excited for this, man.

- Have you ever watched like, okay. My favorite soundtrack of all time is probably Zankyo no Teta or Terrain Resonance. - I remember enjoying that show a lot. - So good. - I remember the music was sad. I don't know about much else. - It's the ice. - It hurts me so much.

- The music was sad, yes? - The music was sad. It's like saying peppers are hot. - When you talk about music to me, you need to filter it through like the YouTube audio library tags, like genre and mood. That's the only thing I understand about music. Tell me the genre of music and the mood it was. - Okay, you watched "Zankyo no Terror", right? - Yeah, I loved it. - Okay, it had the whole Icelandic,

like kind of post-rock drone ride. - The motorbike scene where they're on like the motor, and it's nothing but just no dialogue, just them riding on a motorbike with beautiful visuals and beautiful music. Do you remember that scene? - No. - I remember them being terrorists. - I'm getting so fucking frustrated now. Oh my God. - I just remember them being like terrorists, right? And it was fun anime. - You remember them being terrorists?

- I remember them blowing up shit. - It's like saying, "Attack on Titan." I remember them being Titans. - Yeah, I remember those Titans. - Dude, I remember enjoying that show, but like when I finished,

- Like it's gone. - Okay, okay, okay. Then let's steer away. Let's go down. Let's go down to the most like rudimentary level here. Let's go to, okay. What is your favorite anime opening? - Oh, that's good. I really like the Kogias one. - Okay, the Kogias one. - Why? - Type is fun. - Okay, but what makes it, like what emotions do you feel when listening to it? Is it excitement? - Yeah, excitement. I get excited, yeah. - Okay, so how come you can put emotion into that song

- What makes that memorable? - Yeah, what makes that memorable? - Yeah, the opening part is pretty hype, you know? The "Jaboo!"

- This is the meme. - I love it though, it's good. What else do I love? I mean the JoJo, the JoJo opening is hype as fuck. - Which one? - Sorachino. - Okay, okay. - Oh no, no, Giorno's theme. - Giorno's theme, okay. - Why does that, why do you like Giorno's theme? - Why did that stand out? - As I said in, I think I tweeted it, I was like, it's the Bohemian Rhapsody of anime themes. - What does that mean? - What does that mean? - 'Cause there's so much shit going on. It's like a five minute song and there's just like so many fucking things happening. And I'm like, wow, this is amazing.

- I don't know if it's the coffee or this conversation, but I'm actually getting a headache. I'm getting like a brain aneurysm right now. - I imagine the viewers at home are like, "What is wrong with this kid?" - I'm like dying inside just listening to this.

- How am I never had this conversation with you before? - I guess 'cause every time you bring up music, I think I just go like, yeah, okay. - If we went to school together, you would be that one kid who would wear a Coco Bane t-shirt not knowing who Nirvana was. Like to be like, yeah, I like his face. - Yeah, I like that teen spirit song. - Yeah, teen spirit, yeah. What is it? Looks like teen spirit, what was it called? - Okay, what else do you value anything else in anime aside from like story and characters then?

- I mean, the visuals are really important, right? Like I feel that it's not so much that I don't appreciate music. It's again, like I said, like if it's done well, it blends in and I don't really pay much attention to it. - Okay, but you remember the Cowboy Bebop soundtrack. - Yeah. - Okay, why do you remember that? - I remember it went like really well with all the choreo. Like all the movements in that show like blended so well with the music. - Yeah, yeah.

it like made them both stand out more than anything at the time when I was watching it. - Right. - Because the choreo is so- - So your argument is that because the feeling of the soundtrack is so completely different. - It's not an argument. I'm just saying, like I'm not trying to argue or anything. I'm just saying that's what I remember is 'cause- - No, no, no, because you kind of, because your logic from

- From what I'm understanding, your logic is that- - Again, I don't think about this too much. - Your logic is that the Cowboy Bebop soundtrack you remember because the feeling and vibe you got from the music was so different to the visuals, right? - No, no, because I can't put the visuals without the music there in my head. - So how come you don't remember Zankyo no Terra then? Because it does the exact same thing. - I remember maybe like two scenes from Zankyo no Terra.

- Literally. - And do they involve any music? - No. I remember seeing a building explode. - I was about to say, the only sound I remember is just an explosion. - I remember someone getting sniped. And I remember being sad by the sniped.

- I was expecting you to say that you were very impressed with the nose. - I was very impressed with this man's aim in a helicopter. Very impressed, you know, must have had some very military background. - Okay, like when I watch a show that was good, but not like life-changing, it kind of just goes in the back of my head and I remember like- - But apparently if you watch life-changing shows, you don't remember the music anyway. So it's like- - I remember "Boccarano" theme.

- Everyone knows that song though. - That's all I remember from Boca Rana, the music though. - So you don't remember the soundtrack? - No, not at all. - I remember the soundtrack being pretty good to Boca Rana. - No clue. - Actually, I don't remember that. - Yeah. - I just remember the opening. - This man doesn't remember one single soundtrack. How dare he? - Because after last episode, or sorry, a couple of episodes back,

- I went and rewatched a couple of episodes of "Bulgarana" just because I hadn't seen it in such a long time. And the sound, I remember the soundtrack. I was like, wow, this soundtrack is really fucking good. - It's like for some reason, I cannot for the life of me remember character names after the end of the show.

Like, I'm just like, it's the blue haired one and he does something. - It's not even monkey, but it's just goldfish. - I genuinely, like, it's so weird 'cause I'll remember so many things vividly in my life, but when it comes to entertainment and stuff that I consume, it's like,

- I mean, I guess that's good because you probably just infinite rewatchability, right? - Yeah, I can rewatch shows and not get enjoyment out of them. 'Cause I forget half the shit that I've seen. I rewatched something recently and I remember being like very impressed. I'm like, I forgot all, I rewatched "Breaking Bad" and I was like, I forgot all of this shit. Through seasons one through five, I don't remember anything. - I mean, that's a long show, so that makes sense. - Yeah, that's...

- I don't know, is that weird? I'm sure there's people in the comments who are the same, who are like, "Don't remember any characters, don't remember the soundtracks." - I've met someone. - Why are you watching us?

- I love the experience. Like leave me alone. I get what I get out of it. - You enjoy the experience that you don't remember after it ends. - Do you remember everything that you've consumed? - I've legitimately never had this conversation before. Like this conversation is a first to me. I've never had to explain to someone why music is like a good thing in terms of entertainment. - I'm not arguing that it's not a good thing. I just don't remember it.

- Okay, I am convinced, right? That people lie about like when you have discussions with them and you're like, yeah, you remember the soundtrack? I'm just convinced that they're just like, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was totally great. I love it. - Definitely people who do that all the time. - No, but like to say there's like not a single soundtrack from like some of your favorite series that you remember. - On the spot, I can't remember anything.

- But if you hear it, you're probably- - If I hear it, I reckon I'll be able to pull out that memory from the dusty old cabinet. - Right, but then you'll pull it out and what you'll pull out a file that just says good. - Yeah, I'm like, nice. But it's like, okay, it's like, I can remember voice performances quite well, but that's because I take an active interest in

really learning those and really studying that. - So what to you makes a good voice performance then? And is it something that has to be in English or can you recognize it in like Japanese as well? - Yeah, Japanese too. But I think that's just,

from watching a lot of Japanese media. It's something that you can, 'cause the way you deliver a line in anything, right? The way I, a line, there's a, when you deliver a singular line, there's like a visualization to it. If you imagine the pacing and the pitch, like there should, in my head with a good line, there's a set way it should be delivered, right? And it's the way the director wants it to. And I imagine like someone like Quentin Tarantino has the same idea where it's like the line is delivered the way I see it, right?

And so it's like, I just visualize in my head the way it should go. Like if you should raise your voice, how you should raise your pitch and then when you should take it down, when you should slow it down, when you should add a pause. And it's really interesting seeing how like some of the actors will deliver a certain line and where they'll choose to take pauses

or how they'll choose to slow words down. I think that's really interesting. - I'm the same. Like, you know, I haven't done as much voice acting as you, but I definitely take a keen eye to voice acting as well because I also want to get better at it. And I totally get what you mean with the whole curve thing. - There's the way I wish that like, I wish I figured out a way where I could definitively show people what I mean in my head about that because,

if you put the line on like an axis of Y and like X, you know, it would go like that, right? And it would be like, you need to pause here. You need to take a break here. Slow down this word. This word's in italics. So please put emphasis on it, but not too much emphasis. It's gotta be bold. It's like really loads of nuances that we don't see as the audience that I'm trying to in my head when I'm listening to something, I'm imagining how they saw the script. I'm trying to think back to what they were thinking.

So like, depending on what medium we're in now, like, and also ever since I got way too into voice acting, I see so much ADR and it puts me the fuck off in films when you can hear one line that's delivered in the room and one line where they did it in post. And it's so grating when you hear, 'cause like so many sitcoms do this where they like have the line done in post. You don't realize how many movies are done in post as well. They're done so well that, you know. - Yeah, I've definitely noticed it.

recently when I was like- - It's so grating. - Yeah, like when you notice it once, you can't stop noticing it, I noticed. - And that's the problem I have with watching shows that are dubbed in languages like Italian or whatever, or Dutch. Normally they're-

they have to dub so many shows where they're just pumping this out. And there's not really much given to the sound of it. And it sounds like everyone's in a studio, every single TV show they're in, no matter where they go. When I hear this Italian or this Dutch guy speak, it always sounds like they're in a studio. When they're outside, it's like, what the fuck? I hate that so much. And that's the reason why when people are like,

I had a German friend who watched Game of Thrones in Dutch or German, sorry, dubbed. And I was like, why? It sounds like everyone's in a studio. They're on a battlefield. - It's exactly the same as tie dubs when I was talking about showing tie dubs and they just don't know audio mixing. So instead of like making it sound like they're in the environment they're in, it's always in the same studio. And instead of like mixing in the voices, they just like quiet every other voice and every other sound. So the voices are just like,

10 times louder than every sound effect every time someone talks and then the sound effects get louder again. It's like the worst kind of audio mixing you could think of. - That's lazy as fuck. - Yeah, I know. - I mean now, I'm not sure if they did it back then, but now commonly the Japanese studios will just give basically a track with just the voices taken out. And they're like, here's everything, we've done it all for you, just add the voices. Normally quite easy.

But yeah, in terms of dubbing or voice performances in anime cartoons, that's a whole different like- - I feel like one unsung hero in terms of like voice acting and dubbing is the voice director. Because I feel like,

Obviously, actors get a lot of the credits, but I feel- - They also get all the shit. - They also get all the shit as well. And I feel like a voice director has so much control over how good this voice performance is gonna be. 'Cause I've definitely worked with voice actors and actresses in my own abridged series where they've done a great fucking job. And then I see them voice in other projects and- - It's terrible. - It's bad.

It hurts me 'cause I know the potential that these voice actors have. And I know that it's probably just bad voice direction.

- A lot of people don't think about that or don't know that 'cause they just think, oh, it's a shitty voice actor. You know what I mean? - Yeah, it's a real shame. - It's difficult because unless you've been in an environment where you've worked with a director or had someone directing you in any way, it's really hard to understand the role of a director. 'Cause I didn't quite get it until I had worked in that space. And it's kind of the person who like,

'Cause when you're doing it for yourself and you're acting, you're in your own head. You're your worst enemy. 'Cause you're like, "Fuck, I should have done it this way." 'Cause when I record for one of my own videos, 20 takes. I record for someone else with a director, one or two takes. Because they tell me what they want and they help me get there. And a lot of people, like there's 10% of voice actors who can deliver lines amazingly without a director. But then there's like 50% who need a director. And there's like 30, 40%, let's be honest,

- It's not to say that, but it's one of those things where you do need like a good ear somewhat. - It's a skill. - It's definitely a skill. 'Cause I personally think I'm a much better voice director than I am a voice actor. Even though I've done both. I tried to like insert my own voice as little as possible whenever I'm doing kind of any kind of voice work that I've done before. But I really enjoy directing because it's definitely a unique skill. 'Cause I've seen how other people direct

their work as well. And it's, everyone has a different style. Some are just not effective at all. Some voice directors, you know, they have no idea what they want. - No. - You know, and it's just on the voice actor to save the performance somehow, even though the director has no idea what they want.

Do you ever get that moment though, when you're directing someone and they've not delivered the line exactly the way you want it. And so you have to explain it to them and you get to the third point. It's the third time, the third time you've tried and they still haven't done it the way you want it to. Do you continue? Like do you continue trying to explain it to them or do you just go with one of the takes? - Normally I would try my best to explain it to them.

- Worst case scenario, I'll do a line read, which a line read is, you don't normally do it. It's kind of, it's not unprofessional, but it wastes a lot of time, which is where the director will deliver the line. And I'll be like, just copy what I just did. And that's what I'll do on the worst case scenario. And if they can't do that, then it's like, fuck.

This is going to be bad. Like if they can't hear one, like what I just did and they can't replicate it, that means that they have no idea what I just did. In my head, I'm like, okay, they don't even see what I did. They don't know what they're doing.

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I wasn't allowed to change anything but the voice acting. And the whole point of that was to like prove to the viewers that like, listen, you can fix the bad voice acting, but more often than not, it's not the bad voice acting that is terrible about this series or thing that you watch. Like it's normally just 'cause like everything else is terrible. And the one thing that stands out is this dude who's delivering a line shit. But that's normally as a result of everything else being shit. 'Cause voice actors are the last priority for most things.

because they're normally the thing that you do at the end. Some games and stuff like games are normally the worst culprit of terrible voice acting. - Oh no. - Especially Japanese games that get translated into English normally have God fucking awful voice acting. - Yeah, a lot of those games as well just have absolutely horrible localization. Just the dialogue. Clearly the person who was translating it does not have the firmest grasp of both languages. - And it's because normally they're not given like

an amazing budget to do it. And these games are long. - They get pretty underpaid, unfortunately. So they're just like, whatever, I'll just do the bare minimum. Run it through Google translate if need be. Fuck it, no one's gonna notice. The voice act is a shit anyway, who cares? - Laves the Japanese word in with like, "Oka-san." "Oka-san" means mom in Japanese.

- All according to Keikaku. - Speaking about voice actors and voice acting, the only person who's actually been in an anime here is you, Joe. - Yeah, I am. - Like an actual Japanese anime. What was the experience like for you then? - That was really cool because- - Do you wanna explain? Like you were on Pop Team Epic and what you had to do? - Yeah, so I...

just purely by coincidence, I got to voice in "Pop Team Epic." Even though all my lines I did were in English, it was technically the Japanese. - He's in the sub. - I'm in the sub. I know because,

Funimation dubbed Pop Team Epic and they didn't use me. - I don't think they're allowed to though. - No, they weren't. But Funimation you could have hit me up. - My DMs were open. - My DMs were open. We follow each other on Twitter. You could have DM me anyway. So I voiced this, it was this entire episode that was voiced in English because Pop Team Epic is just no rules, right?

And it was really cool because I got to voice act with the guy who voiced Vrio in Devil May Cry Baby. - Oh, wow, awesome. - Because he's also fluent in English. He's pretty good at English. - Oh, wow. - Yeah, so, and he delivered obviously in the English part as well. And it was really cool because, you know, it's a lot of the portrayals is of voice acting is that, you know, one person goes into the booth, they do their lines, next person comes in and it's all over. That's normally how it is. But I don't know if this is only in,

the Japanese industry, but at least with the anime, they put all the voice actors that are in the one episode all into the same room.

- And there are four or five microphones lined up. - Yeah, I saw that with some like behind the scenes documentaries. 'Cause I think how I understand the dubbing in like the English speaking world is that you get one booth, one voice actor. - It's one after the other. - One after the other. - But in anime, they do it all in one go. So if there's a current scene where there are four voice actors, then all four voice actors will go up to the mics and basically while holding the script in their hand, take it in turns to deliver their line. And when they're not doing their line, they pull away from the microphone.

- I think all cartoons used to be that way in the West. But I think recently it's changed. - I think so. - I think one series you definitely see that effect in is Konosuba, where you can tell that all of the characters just like bouncing off each other. - Oh yeah. - It helps so much. - And like the dub for Konosuba is actually great. And I commend them for being able to like recreate this energy while not being in the same room because you can definitely feel that energy in the Japanese dub in Konosuba. That's what makes one of its,

- That's why it's so good because you can tell that these aren't just characters that are fucking around with one another, but voice actors that are just having a great time together. - Yeah, exactly. - And you need that dynamic in a show like that. But it was really cool because with Pop Team Epic, we would all come onto one scene. There was me,

you know, the main voice actor. And then there was like three or four voice actors who were doing, you know, just side characters. And it was really cool because once a scene would finish, then if one of us needed a retake or, it was really cool because all of the voice actors would come together and basically critique

what we all just did in that one scene. - Oh, that's cool. - So that we would all come together and I would get professional advice from the voice actor or the interviewer being like, "Okay, that line deliver was really cool, but maybe if you deliver this next line like this, then I could respond in this kind of way." - Oh, okay. - And while all of this conversation is happening, the voice director is also listening in. So he can put in the input of his line if need be. - Right, right.

I mean, I didn't have to do too many retakes with Pop Team Epic because the voice actor was just like, "Yeah, that's good." He just did not give a shit. He was just like, "Yeah, good enough, fucking whatever." - I mean, like you were speaking in English. So he was like, "Yeah, this probably sounds better than most of the English voice actors." - The only time that the voice director asked me to do something super specific was when I had to do the narrator voice

for the Guilty Gear parody scene where I had to say heaven or hell, like in Guilty Gear. And he was like, no, no, 'cause the voice director was like a massive fan of Guilty Gear. So he was like, no, no, no, that's not how you say it. You have to say it like this and you just boom it over the PR system while all of us just sitting there like, okay, I'll do it like that, I guess. - That's not such a fun experience. - Oh, it was super fun.

- Were you nervous doing it? - Oh, hell yeah. Because literally everybody else around me are professional Japanese voice actors. But it was really cool because all of the voice actors were like, "Wow, how long have you been doing voice acting?" I was like, "This is my first gig." Technically speaking, this is my first gig. And they were like, "You're really fucking good." I was like, "Well,

"Call your boy back." - Then everyone cheered. Everyone lifted Joey up. - I was like, "Subscribe." - Damn dude. I've had some terrible fucking clients when I did a lot of commercials. 'Cause they would bring in like a business executive to come in and critique and they don't fucking know anything. And they would, I remember one time there was a guy and I did this whole take and I thought I killed it. And he was like,

- Yeah, something's like off with it. This wasn't the director. This was just the guy who was paying for it to be made. And he was like, yeah, could you just try something different? I did the exact same thing again, no different. And he was like, that was perfect. And I was like, I fucking knew it. 'Cause like, I know, okay, in my head, I'm like, I know I can get away with doing the same thing one more time.

but like maybe not a second time. So I was like, I'll just try it once, see if he notices. He had no fucking idea. At that point onward, anytime he said anything, I would just look at the voice director over there. I would look at him, I'm like, should I listen to this? Like he was the engineer and the director of the thing. So he normally does the delivery. The way it was set up for me was he normally directed me and the client would just stand there and go like, yes, yes.

'Cause I was always doing business stuff. It was like perseverance, inspiration, shit like that. - You did like a Gillette commercial, right? Or wasn't Gillette. It was like a shaving cream commercial, whatever it was. - Something else ages ago. I was doing like boats for like a year. - You're doing boats? - I did like a, there was some, I don't know what the corporation is. And I also don't know if I should say, I don't know if I'm allowed. I don't know what I signed.

- Once a week, I would go in for three hours and I would talk about boats. - Wait, how old were you? - This was like last year. - Oh really? - Every week I went in and talked about- - This was in London, right? - Yeah, this was in London. - Oh, okay, yeah. - I got paid like,

- Fuck, like how much was it? They were paying me 250 pounds an hour. - Oh wow. - Which is like 300 something bucks. - Just talk about boats. - Which is probably like a lot better than what voice actors get paid to voice in anime. - Yeah, definitely. - Yeah, anime rates aren't that great. I mean, I don't know if, you know, I'll just say like- - I mean, I definitely didn't get paid that much.

Funimation from what I've been told. I don't know if this is true. I don't know if I'm allowed to say this, but it's not great. It's not less than what I was getting. - I think it's always just been known that the voice acting industry in anime specifically just like- - You get paid the least out of any commercial, which is why you see a lot of dub voice actors going on to do gaming now in other industries. - The way it goes is like,

Normally commercials pay the most because commercials you get paid normally a premium and then you also get what's called a buyout fee. So if your ad is gonna be played over X amount of places with radios, TV, that gets calculated in the cost. And you could get like one commercial that takes you 20 minutes, which it often did. Because commercials are 30 seconds long mostly. And I would never be there for more than 30 minutes. But they would maybe pay you like 15 grand.

for the buyout fee. So your session fee was like 250 pounds, but then you might get 15 grand or 10, depending on why they play it and how much. 'Cause I know the guy who did McDonald's ads in the UK, that was his whole career, just doing McDonald's. - Really? - 'Cause he got paid so fucking much. - Oh yeah, it is McDonald's. - They just get like six figures every commercial. - Jesus. - 'Cause that's luckily how the industry was, is that you got paid if your voice was being shown. - Can you imagine getting paid six figures by going, ♪ Ba da ba ba ♪

- I wish man. - He was like, imagine how much money McDonald's made off of voice acting. - Because normally how it is with commercials is that if you're normally with voices, if a corporation gets one voice actor, it's normally always that one voice actor who does everything. So in the industry where I, when I was in London, it was mainly commercial stuff. So it came up a lot and it was always like people were competing to get that one commercial gig that kept

And so I got this boat gig. I didn't think of anything of it 'cause I didn't audition. They like requested me. So I went in, I did a read for it. I was talking about, I had to explain a ton of different things about large ships.

for a corporation thing. - Okay. - And I had to go in every week and do something ballasting. That was what I did like fucking four weeks of thing called ballasting, right? Ballasting is a thing and I know this 'cause I did four scripts on it. - Okay, sell us a bit. What is ballasting, sir? - It was like, it was like, it was like, God, I wish I remembered the words. And I remember every time I would go into deliver it, 'cause my accent is English, right? But it's not a received pronunciation, which is the typical accent, which is I say grass, but it's,

So every time I would do anything, he's like, "You didn't say the received pronunciation?" - Plant. - Do it again. I'm like, "Oh yes, of course." Ballasting is the, you know, like that. And it was basically where water goes in the ships and they dump it out later on. But there was like so many scientific words. And I was like, he was the sodium hydroxyl oxide oxygenation thing. And I was like, "All right."

- And the hard thing about that is that you got to do a thing called line reading where they're paying you to get this right first time. So the first time I see the script is when I go in there. And I'm sure that was the same for you with Pop Team Epic. You got to see it beforehand? - With Pop Team Epic,

I got sent not only the script about three weeks before I went in, but I also got a CD with the actual visual. - That's like amazing. - So I can practice ahead of time. And apparently that's normal in the anime industry. - That's just like the Japanese trust system. - It's like we trust that you will not leak this anywhere. - That just sounds like a leak waiting to happen in any other industry. - I didn't sign a contract either.

- What? You just got sent this without an NDA? - They just sent it to me hoping that I wouldn't leak this. - Bro, I can maybe count on my hands the amount of time I received the script before I got there. It was like never. - Really? - Yeah, and so I would get the script in front of me. I'd maybe have two minutes to quickly go over it.

but they immediately expected me to like nail it first time. And again, there's words I've never even seen the English language that come up in these scripts. I don't know what these words are, but I'm expected to like nail it whilst I'm also reading it for the first time. And that's what they're paying you an absurd amount of money for. - I know fucking people who run like official discourse like Bandai or something who have to sign NDAs. And here you are just actually voice. - Getting the entire script beforehand. - Here's episode nine six months before it comes out.

- No, it was crazy. Like I got it in the mail. They didn't even tell me they were gonna send it because I was also assuming that I was going to see the script and everything when I got there. - That's normally how it is. - Yeah, right. That's what I heard as well. - Dubbing do that as well. - Yeah, yeah, it's the same with dubbing as well. - That's what I heard. But not only that, but when I also cameoed in the,

- I think the difference is normally in the Western industries, they're still editing the script like the day of. So normally the script that you get might not even be the final draft. - It's also people who don't trust anyone in the West. - That too. - Which is, I mean, I'm not saying that it's a bad thing, but it's a bad thing. - Yeah. - I mean, it's a bad thing. - Yeah. - I mean, it's a bad thing. - Yeah. - I mean, it's a bad thing.

- Of course, this is the country where you can leave your fucking laptop in the middle of a diner, go to the bathroom and then come back and just trust that nobody's gonna take it. - I just wanted to leak the Boke stuff. I don't even care. I just wanted to leak it. No one cared, but I just wanted to leak it. - Don't tell anybody, but they use sodium hydroxide chloride. - Yeah, man, it's crazy. But I mean, you know. - Did you get paid well for the Boke thing though? - Oh yeah, I got paid really well. But that's like the voice actor's dream is,

I didn't do it for the money. I just did it 'cause it was fun. - Yeah, same with me. - 'Cause I feel like people who go into, especially like the anime industry too, who wants to be a voice actor, they do it for the passion. - You get paid nothing for those sessions. I mean, maybe unless you're a SAG actor in LA, you get paid a decent amount. I think it's $250 minimum for a session, two hour session. But yeah.

- Yeah, you get the notoriety which allows you to do a lot. - Yeah, I don't know. 'Cause I feel like nowadays there's less notoriety in like big voice acting names in dubbing at least than they used to be. - True, true. There used to be cons, right? That's what you wanted. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. But now like, even if you get to voice a dub in like a huge, huge show, there's like, you still don't get as much notoriety as like say back in like the mid 2000s, we had voice actors like Steve Bloom, Johnny Young Bosch, Crispin Freeman,

just like those like the AAA voice acting names. - Everybody knew who they were. - Yeah, exactly. But it's a lot harder in this climate and industry just because there's so many dubs now. Everything gets signed. Like if it's on Funimation, it's probably gonna be simul-dubbed.

everyone watches anime in like very different ways now. - Yeah. - You know what I mean? Like even going back to Japan Sinks where I didn't know who any of the voice actors who voiced in this anime were because I was like, I was literally switching between dub and sub depending on which one I like to listen to. Because I feel like the voice acting,

for dubs in general has gotten to like a possible quality in almost every show. Like there are some shows that are like, this is just a funny dub, you know? But for the most part, if I wanna just shut my brain off and just listen to the language that I want,

then I'll just put on dub and I have the trust that it will be like a decent experience. - Dubs have definitely gotten to that point. - Yeah, there's certainly no like 90s quality, like hilarious dub. - No, no, no. - Which is why I feel like the whole argument of sub versus dub is kind of like,

- But I feel like the counterpoint to that is that there are less dubs that just stand out now. 'Cause I think of some of my favorite dubs, right? Something like Bacchano or something, Cowboy Bebop. These are dubs that stand out. Like literally like I remember how good they were just 'cause of how their quality. But nowadays I don't know, I can't think of like many dubs that literally just,

Okay, everything's good, everything's of decent quality, but I can't think of anything that truly stands out as this is a dub experience. - To me the last, I think the newest quote unquote anime where the dub was like wow, was probably "Penny and Stalky."

- Yeah, but that was like 2008. - That's why I'm saying newest in air quotations. - It's how the industry was back then, right? You had like two weeks to just cast people. Like you had two weeks just for that, let alone everything else. But now it's, you have two weeks to, not even two weeks, like one week to cast.

and get these actors in the booth and get recording. Like it's, you can't expect anything good to come out of that. You can, we get the good products, right? It's decent, but we're not gonna get anything that blows us away for it. - I think the last dub that blew me away was probably Steins Gate. 'Cause it was one of those shows where I actually, I could appreciate the work that went into translating and just scripting it. Not just like the voice acting, but like everything was just really polished. - I believe that was scripted by,

- Yeah, yeah. - Oh really? - Yeah, yeah. - Which is why he absolutely killed it. - That's amazing. - Kyomo as well. So like, I think with the era of simuldubbing, it's a lot harder to recreate that same quality and that same hype because they just don't have as much time anymore.

I also think at least for Funimation, I think when Sony took over, I think they restructured a lot of it to make it less focused on giving writers time and more giving, like getting the whole thing out sooner. - Yeah. - Which, you know, is understandable, I guess, but also at the same time, you kind of lose a bit of that magic

maybe a dub would be, whoa, you know what I mean? - Yeah. Actually here's a question for you, Joey, 'cause you could probably judge this the best, but ever since the beginning of time, there's always been this debate of subs versus dubs. The Japanese voice acting is always great. Has there been any show or any anime from your experience that is just bad voice acting from like a Japanese side of things?

man, that's hard to say because at least with voice, from my understanding and my experience, at least Japanese voice acting in anime has just...

had an insanely high bar to jump over. - Oh, no. - Yeah. - Ever since even, you know, like I could obviously go back to, you know, an anime from the 70s or the 80s and probably find some bad voice acting there, but that's because it was a medium that was still getting refined since the 60s. - Yeah. - But I think honestly, every anime I've seen since, you know, the late 80s, early 90s, I don't think there's been a, maybe there's been like one or two bad voices or one or two maybe like,

- I think it's 'cause they've set up a system here that ensures they're getting voice talent.

They have schools specifically for voice acting. We don't really have that in the West. You go to acting school and maybe you stumble into voiceover if that's what you like. There's not really a system. - But there are entire four-year universities. - It's the same reason why Korea are normally amazing at e-sports. They have the infrastructure there to support making this talent. And in Japan, obviously,

they've been having those schools for a while where the bar is getting pushed constantly and constantly. Whereas it's not really like that in the West. - Exactly. And you know, the great thing as well with the structure of at least with Japanese voice acting and anime is that if there is a new voice actor or actress that comes into the industry, they usually start them off with very, very small roles, maybe like one line or even just background noise to kind of

get them used to that environment and give them as much experience as possible. And then maybe after they do, you know, 10 rolls of playing,

passing behind the main character after the 10th time, then they can give them a role where it's like- - It's very Japanese. - Here's two more lines. Okay, the next one we'll give you five lines. Next one we'll give you 10 lines. And then it just builds and builds from there. Unless if it's someone that just has insane amount of talent from the get go and they're just confident enough to put them into a show and then they make a name for themselves. - Some of the best dub performances have been from actors where they weren't

in any other animated shows. - Oh no, yeah. I think Johnny Unbosh like stumbled into his first dub role by accident. I think same with Steve Bloom as well. - Yeah, I think so. - It's been a while since I heard the stories. - Both fantastic voices as well. - God, I think,

- Was the guy who did light in the Death Note dub, he did a lot of the ocean dubs in Canada 'cause he did like Black Lagoon. - Yeah, 'cause he did rock from Black Lagoon as well. - I think he was doing My Little Pony before. - Really? - Or he did it after. I think he did it after, but before that I don't think he'd done anything. I know the guy who voices Ladd Russo in Baccano. I hadn't done any anime.

- No, no, I remember a lot of like back then, a lot of the voice actors who voiced in Baccano was that, that was like their first role. Everyone fucking killed it. It was a lot of unknown voice actors and actresses in that show. - Great show. - Question to you guys then, so with the ridiculously high bar that Japanese voice acting has, what are some shows that even stand out for you with like the Japanese voice talent and voice acting?

- I'll tell you the show that stands out to me most recently. That's Beastars. - Oh yeah. - Beastars has absolutely like insane voice acting and it's very different because it didn't sound like your typical anime kind of voice acting. It sounded very cool.

and very realistic. - I don't know who the voice actor for Legacy is, but his acting was so good. - Legacy and Lewis was like, they both had like the voice acting performances of that year in any anime. - Easily, easily. - In my opinion, like even with shows like Attack on Titan 3 coming out that had some great voice acting, I still think Beastars was like just a cut above the rest.

- I think it's just because Beastars as a show was just a cut above the rest. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Like it was just such a fucking amazing show. - I'm trying to think of any Japanese shows that really blew me away with voice acting. - JoJo. - I mean, my man Dio kills it every fucking time. I spoke about this before, like his performance, like as Dio. Memes aside, like it's fucking amazing. - Oh yeah.

- And everyone in part five I would argue as well has fantastic voices. I think the thing with Japanese voices was that they can just do casting so well. - Oh yeah, they get it. - They understand how important casting is for a character. - Oh, I'm working on a video right now and like I watched the clan ad dub and there's this one scene where a female teacher is just

- I'm like, "What?" - Really? - Yeah, yeah. Like I'm, I'll, it's, I obviously can't show this, but I'll show you guys later and I'll- - I mean, this is why I didn't watch it, dog. - It's just like a scene and I watched it dumb, so I don't remember this, but I watched, someone sent me the clip and I'm like, "That's just a dude going, 'Hi boys.'" - How you doing? - It's like, "What? How did this pass?"

- I mean, there was a lot of weird things that happened with dubbing back in the day. If we're gonna talk about bad dubs, you know what I mean? - Yeah, exactly. - We have to talk about ghost stories and stuff like that. - Ghost stories, is that a bad dub or is that just- - It's so bad that it's good though. - People always act, 'cause when I tweet out being like, "Hey, I'm gonna fix bad anime scenes for a YouTube video." People always be like, "Yeah, fix ghost stories." I'm like, "What is it a fix?" - There's nothing to fix. - It's fucking great. It's just 'cause,

- From what I've heard about how ghost stories came to be made, it was ghost stories just sold horribly in Japan. So when they licensed it over, they were like, "Do what you need to do to make this sell." Like, "Do, you have full creative control." - There were some rules. - Yeah, there were some rules where you basically had full creative control. And from what I heard, like they were just, the voice actors were just,

try to rush in the booth first and they would just like ad lib the scenes and everyone else would have to like play off what they said. - It was like the first abridge. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, essentially. - Yeah, it's weird to think, right? That Dobbs back in the seventies were done where there was no email. Like how did they do this? There was literally a guy was given this DVD and they were just kind of,

and the Japanese just hoped they did it well. It's weird to think that it was like- - Even then it was a trust system. - Yeah, it's weird. They were like, "I guess just take this DVD and go home." VHS, Betamax. - DVD, what exists for DVD? - Take this cassette. - Laserdisc? - Laserdisc never took off in the West, but it was Japan.

- Yeah, no, it's weird. But even, I think that's also why some dubs now are a bit strange 'cause they were still done on that system where if you go first, you dub it and then the person who comes next has to dub

but they get to hear just your character who's been before you. So it was last normally is the easiest time. - And that because they have to kind of go along with, oh, they perform this character in this way. So I kind of have to do it the same. But if the first one sucks. - It's a bit unfortunate 'cause I think it makes this weird kind of feeling sometimes by accident, but this is again why a director should be on top of that.

- Yeah, that's why like the director has control over how this sounds. 'Cause there are definitely some dubs where it definitely sounds like people aren't having a conversation. - Yeah, I think a director's job is like 10% to get the best performance out of you and like 90% to make sure everyone sounds like they're in the same world. Like that's the hardest part is part. 'Cause you're constantly thinking like, okay, that was a great line, but does it fit with what the other person just delivered? Like I need to think about that.

- It's a really hard skill. - It's hard. - It's definitely hard 'cause you have to be on top of what everyone is saying and how everyone sounds. And it's definitely like, you can definitely see some of the nuances that people don't normally think about. But if you play a conversation and it's just like, man, these people just sound like they're reading lines to each other and not actually having a conversation. And it's really, it just sounds, it's that uncanny valley. - Yeah, it sounds like they're kind of talking through dimensions.

- The other one was living in one world and the other one was living in the other world. And the rift just happened to open up where it's like, oh, hello. - Oh, hi Mark. - Hi Mark. - God, man, I could sit here and talk all day about dubbed anime and voice acting and all that. 'Cause obviously that's what I'm cripplingly addicted to. I love that shit. - Apparently not music. - Not music. - We gotta get this boy on some like, we gotta make him understand emotions and music. - I never thought I'd say that. - I just, I wish like, I wish Kevin

I wish Kevin was like guessing in this one episode. - I'm sure Kevin can convince me, but like- - No, no, no, I just wanna see his reaction when you were just saying all this stuff as a fucking composer. Kevin, if you're watching this, I want you to just like, if we ever get Kevin on the show and we will get Kevin on the show, just-

- I wanna just hear the conversation. - I'll dead ass look him in the eye. - I want you to dead ass look him in the eye and just be like, "Made an Abyss soundtrack made me feel good." - I'll do it. - Just dead ass looking him in the eye and just be like, "I don't remember any of your music, but it made me feel good." I heard it. I heard the sounds. - I mean, I feel like I have the opposite brain to like a composer though, in like every aspect. Like when I talk to Kevin, I feel like I'm on like the,

the complete opposite mind in every way. It's crazy. It's so weird. I think I just have that kind of mind that isn't like that. - I mean, if we can't even like relate to it, we're not exactly composers. - I feel like you're very musical though. - I mean, yeah, but I'm no Kevin Pinkin. - No, right, but you have an appreciation for music, something that I don't have. I can't make music. It doesn't make sense to me. I don't understand any of that. Like I tried to learn drums as a kid and I was like,

- Yes, this just doesn't work. - Do you follow along with like different anime directors and like... - If you said their names, maybe. - So if I said Hosoda Momoru, if I said Shinkai Makoto. - Yes, your name. - I know that one. - Wait, you don't know Hosoda Momoru?

- Have you never seen Wolf Children? - Wolf Children. - Summer Wars. - I've seen Summer Wars. - The Digimon movie. - I didn't watch that. Who the fuck watched the Digimon? - The Digimon movie was fucking awesome. - I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm joking. Don't kill me. Yeah, I watched Summer Wars and- - Boy and the Beast. - Boy and the Beast. - He also did a One Piece movie. - What's the...

- Jumping through time or something. - Oh, go left through time. - Yeah, what's that one? - Did you know he also directed the Samurai Champloo opening? - Really? - Yeah. - Oh, okay. - He also directed a One Piece movie as well. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - One Piece movie six, I think. - That was such good film.

I know. That was fucking great. I loved it. Did you watch the Digimon movie when you were a kid? Yeah. Do you remember the soundtrack for that? Yes. That had fucking bare naked ladies and fucking less than Jake. So good. Fat boy slim. Like, what was this soundtrack? It was screaming 90s. Do you remember that scene with All-Star? It had fucking All-Star in it.

- Yeah, I'm totally serious. - He had smash mouth. - He had smash mouth. - How did they get these rights? - 'Cause it was back in the day of like 90s movies. It wasn't like they had a completely different soundtrack from the Japanese release. So when they like dubbed it and westernized it, they put all of these like Western bands. - I couldn't be, 'cause I watched the Japanese movie first, obviously, but then-

I went to a friend's place and he only had the dub for it. And I was like, oh, I've never seen the dub so I might as well watch a dub. And then when I heard Smash Mouth, I was like, you guys playing a prank on me? Did you overdub this with Shrek? - I wanna now just watch this movie just to experience a Smash Mouth and Fatboy slamming.

- Yeah, hearing Fatboy Slim I was like, what? - That would be so surreal. - No, it was, 'cause I didn't realize how special it was when I was watching it as a kid, but now growing up, I think back and I realize, man, this was a really weird soundtrack when they managed to get- - It's like turning up to a kindergarten, they've got Coke on the table.

- What "Fatboy Slim Song" was it? - Right here, right now. - Was it that one or was it "Weapon of Choice?" - I think it was "Weapon of Choice." - Yeah, it was "Weapon of Choice." - It was "Weapon of Choice." - Just hearing "Weapon of Choice" in a Digimon movie, I was like,

- Dude, just hearing Fatboy Slim takes me back 10 years. - I fucking love Fatboy Slim, dude. - Fatboy Slim is fucking great. From Brighton, by the way, as a born and bred Brightonian. - Oh, hell yeah. - Yeah, from my hometown. - Damn, crazy. - Any famous people from where you're from, Connor? - I think there was Lost Prophets, that band, but then I think they were like pedophiles, so we quickly were abandoned that one.

- I think it was a band called, yeah, it was called Lost Prophets. And I think they were like a fucking, I don't know. They were like kind of like a knockoff of like some- - I think I remember Lost Prophets. - They were like the rock band that like was like British fallout boy sort of ish. - Oh, like panic at the disco kind of vibe. - A little more rocky I think, but yeah. - Okay. I was actually, I was watching a new anime recently. Have you guys heard of The Great Pretender? - I have heard of it, yes. - Song?

- No, no, no. - Okay, okay. - The anime, the anime. - There's an anime called "The Great Pretender." I've only seen the first three episodes. It's like a Netflix exclusive anime, but it seems like it's fucking great. - Oh, I saw a preview for that. I wanna watch that. - It's a heist show that sets in America.

- Yeah, exactly. When you think of heist show in anime, I think of "Lupin the Third," right? I can't think of many other heist shows, but they actually, the ending for that song is "The Great Pretender" by Freddie Mercury.

- Oh shit. - I remember watching it and I was like, "Wow, who is this? This kind of sounds like Queen." And I see it's the actual "Great Pretender" by Freddie Mercury. - How did they get that? - I know, right? I know. - I sometimes wonder that because there's a few anime series where they've gotten Western songs. - Yeah. - Right? Like- - What's "Paradise Kiss" had Franz Ferdinand. - Oh, had Franz Ferdinand. - As their ending. - Yeah. - Did they? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. "Paradise Kiss." - It had "Do You Want To" by Franz Ferdinand. - No. - No, no, no, it didn't. - Yeah.

- And you know, like "Ergo Proxy" ending was "Paranoid Andrew" by Radiohead and "Eden of the East" had "Oasis". - Yeah, that was fucking surreal. - Yeah, but that was such a good opening though, holy shit. - "Eden of the East" opening as someone- - That was a great show. - That was a great show. - That was a really good show. But the opening to me out of everything stands out the most 'cause it's probably one of my favorite openings of all time. - You know we're in a good mood when either Garnt or not, I put that on karaoke, we're just like,

- Such a good song. - It's great because these are like the songs that I could put on on a karaoke and just pretend like I can sing anime songs. - This is an anime song. - I'm a weeb, I'm a weeb, I like a weeb. - When was the last time that an anime had like a Western song in it? Like before "Great Pretender", was it "Ugo Proxy"?

- It might've been one of those. - There's been a lot. - There's gotta be some, but we don't know. - I don't know if there's like, I can't think on my head, like how many actual English songs, because there's been Japanese songs or there's been Japanese bands that have sung English. You know what I mean? But in terms of actual pure, here is like a Western band who has just got a song in it now. - There was also that anime from like the early 2000s, I just remember that.

- There's also a Duran Duran song as the opening. - Oh yeah, there was. - What the fuck was that? - It was the camera one. - The camera one, yeah. What the fuck was it? - It was "Girls on Film" by Duran Duran. - "Go To Canon"? - No, no, no.

- Speed Graffer. - Speed Graffer. - Speed Graffer had Duran Duran. - And like Serial Experiments Lane as well had this like really weird, unique British indie bands that had Duvet. - Yeah, Duvet. - Connor's just sitting here being like, "What's going on?" - I've watched like half of these shows and I'm like, "Oh yeah, they did have that." - Oh my God. - I just forget.

- 'Cause I listen and I'm like, oh, that's cool. I'm gonna keep forgetting on my day. - Do you skip openings Connor? - After one watch, after one opening view, I'm like, unless it was Beastars, I watched it every time. - Yeah. - She was like, well, let's go. - Actually, very specifically then,

- Do you ever notice that moment in any anime where it's a really hype scene and they play the opening song? - Yeah. - Okay, good. If you notice that, then you're not completely brained. - That's like saying the name of the show to me.

- It's like, I loved like, I don't know why it always works right. - No, it's hype. - It's hype. You play the opening song in any hype scene and it just brings it from like a 10 to a 20. - It does, it does. It's pretty fucking hype. You know I'm about to pop off.

- Or like, you know shit's gone down when it's the end of the episode and like the ending song starts playing. - Before it finishes. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you're like, oh shit, shit's about to go down. Shit's about to get real. - It's like PTSD of the Anna Ohana song always playing. And I'm like, no, no.

- I had that with, I had that with fucking Shinsaikai Yori when the fucking, when the chorus starts. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Every time it like every episode opens with that but then there are a few episodes near the end where it kind of, yeah, from the future world. It's like really good. It's 10 out of 10 for me. But the opening that series didn't have an opening. It just had like this chorus of kids just going,

- I was about to say it like sarcastic. Yeah, I really liked the opening to that. - I really love brown ice circulation.

- Hey man, that's a great opening. - No, okay, I remember, right? I watched, 'cause I downloaded all of "Bake Monogatari" and all of whatever the fuck that is. I watched them all and I remember I listened to "Branai Circulation." I thought, wow, that's a fucking tune. And I went to find it and I thought, man, am I the only guy who likes this song? Found out like two hours later, literally everyone loves this song and made like the meme compilations. - I'm gonna give a hot take though. It's not my favorite "Monogatari" opening.

- I feel like Monogatari has like so many banger opening and endings as well. - Even the first opening of "Barking Monogatari". - Yeah, "Staples". - "Dorohedoro" changed the ending every time. - I don't know. - I know "Beastars" did. - "Beastars" changed the ending. I think "Dorohedoro" did it. - Really?

- Yeah, because with the Monogatari series, it was the first time when I noticed they were actually changing the endings like to every arc and every arc had a different ending. I thought that was like- - Every arc had a different opening.

- Yeah, that's true. I thought it was like a really nice touch. Like little things like that. - Monogatari polish. - Yeah, 'cause I know there have been other series that have done that, but I can't think of any off the top of my head. - There's a ton I'm sure, but I need to write shit down. I think that's what I've taken away from this episode. How did the music make me feel? I should write more than one word. - I would like a thousand word essay on how music in anime makes you feel by the end of the episode.

- I'm gonna give a presentation on why I like music and anime. - This is why. - Seeing you process, try to process how music makes you feel is one of the most eye-opening moments I've ever seen for you as a friend. - I'm looking forward to the memes. - I'm ready to get fucking roasted by the viewers of this episode, but it's fine. I know I have a big brain in some things, monkey brain in others. - Big brain in chess, goldfish brain in music.

- This combined with the fucking video game episode. I'm gonna be like, literally everyone's gonna think. - I don't like listening to music. I don't wanna read. I just wanna play chess. That's Connor in a nutshell. - Yeah, I guess what the fuck is going on with my brain, man? - Yeah, I don't know. - It's a weird man. - Yeah, is there anything else you guys wanna talk about for this episode?

- I don't think so. - I think we've kind of- - But here are the lovely patrons on the screen right now. - Thank you very much to the patrons for helping us support this. - Shout out to those guys. Those are great guys. - Of course. - These guys are my favorite guys on screen right now. These are my favorite guys. - How do those guys make you feel, Connor? - Yeah. How do the patrons make you feel?

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- Plenty of dank memes. - We always check the subreddit. - We always check the Twitter. - At the moment of this recording, it's just full of chess memes. - Lots of chess memes. - Lots of great fucking fan art as well. - Yeah, a lot of people are wondering how we record our episodes. We're a little ahead of the moment, but that's because we're eventually gonna travel at some point. We need to get a little backlog going. - Exactly, exactly. - I'm the boy.

And thank you for watching this episode of "Trash Taste" with the two other boys. - Boy two and boy three. - They make me feel happy, good, and I've been man. - Thank you very much, man. - Thank you, man. - What's wrong with me, man? What's wrong with me? My mom's gonna think, "What happened to my boy?" - IQ two. - Join us next episode where we teach man how to make fire.

- Literally gonna turn it into, what's that channel called? - Primitive technology. - Primitive music featuring Connor. We're gonna teach him the xylophone. - It's gonna be our goal just to see like the evolution of Connor as this podcast goes along. From like caveman to like sophisticated human. - Here's what's gonna happen. Next time I watch a show, I'm gonna make note of the soundtrack and how it makes me feel.

In more than one line. Yeah. More than one word. Yeah. We'll see you guys next time. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.