Exposing Our Editor (ft. @Mudan ) | Trash Taste #173
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- All right, welcome back to another episode of Trash Taste. Today I'm joined by the boys, Scott and Joey as usual, and today a very special guest, the man, the myth, the legend, Mudan himself, the editor. - Hey, hello. - Are you gonna put the little Mudan in? People don't know this actually. I think the casual viewers don't know that you've put a mini Mudan in every single Trash Taste episode from which episode? - I think from episode 18 onwards. - There's a little bit of you and it's really hard to,

- It's like a where's Waldo or where's Wally of like trash taste. - People have found some of them though. - Oh yeah. - I found some of them. - After a while I started to make it a bit easier. So when people check, they'll find it easier than I heard it.

- So our editor is visiting us here in Japan and we thought let's just get him on the podcast and expose him or let him expose us. I don't know which way it's gonna be today. - I think it's definitely him exposing us. - Yeah, so how have you found Japan? - It's been better and also a bit worse than expected. - Right.

- Is this your first time? - Yeah, it's my first time. - Oh shit. - So you're from Estonia. - I am. - First time in Asia, right? - Yeah. - Oh wow. - First time in Asia? - Damn. - When I left, it was 16 degrees Celsius. So when I arrived here, it was like 34. - Shit. - Oh shit. - You got the tail end of the heat. - Yeah. - People said it was so much worse before and I was like, what?

- Yeah, it was. - What do you mean? - It was, yeah. - Yeah, so basically if you don't know, Mudan is basically the reason most of us here exist. - Mudan's the reason why AniTube exists, basically. - Yeah, so Mudan edits this podcast. Mudan also edits all of my, most of my channels, yeah. Yeah, all of them. - Started off with all of them. - Yeah, yeah, and then Joey's main channel as well. - My main channel, yeah. And who else do you edit for? - Sydney, Aki,

Some people I don't know if I should mention. - Okay. - Like 10 different people right now. - Jesus. - 10 different people? - Oh, Pete as well now. - Oh, Pete as well? - Hell yeah. - Damn. - Basically, I think it's only my channels that are like that. - Yeah, pretty much. - So to preface, this is not you doing this solo. - No, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

- I got a very dedicated team behind me who are probably more talented than me. - So how many, so you kind of built like your own, I guess like editing company, was it? Or like organization? - Yeah, when the fuck did that start? - Yeah, how did that happen? - Yeah, 'cause I think,

I came in when you were just editing for Trash Taste. I was like, oh, Mudan's editing everything. And then he started editing for Connor and then he started editing for Sydney and then Connor's launched a second channel. And I'm like, how is Mudan keeping up with all this? When did it happen?

- Yeah, so I wanted to do video editing as a full-time job and it took like a long time to get off. I was barely earning any money for the first two years. But then suddenly, I guess through recommendations, people were like, "Oh, he's doing a good job. Let me recommend him to another person." And finally I had like three people, I think you and Connor and somebody else. And it was like, sometimes I'm like,

Sometimes it was easy, 'cause it was like one video a week, but sometimes you'd be like, "Oh, I'm going to America for a month. "Here are four videos that need to be done." And it would like accumulate together with you guys. So I was like, okay, I cannot keep on working 300 hours a month.

So I was like, okay, let me find somebody else. And thankfully my first, another editor was Danny D'Editor. I found him through a mutual and pretty much it took like six months to teach him up. But he's like a right-hand man round, really talented.

And then like half a year later, both of us were doing 300 hour work months. - That's how it works like that, huh? - Yeah. - Yeah, and then I realized, okay, we need to keep on expanding. So now I have a huge team behind me. I think in Estonia, like in my own company, I have Danny, I have Mudam, who's my partner as well. - There's another Mudam. - Mudam.

- So you're Mudan and there's also Mudam. - Yeah. - Okay. - Is that like a female Mudan? Mudam? - So I mean, she actually does the trash taste scene changes. - Oh, shit. - Oh, okay. - She's also a professional camera operator in Estonia, like does sports shoots and stuff. - Oh, cool. - So she has background in it. - So how many people do you have now in your company?

I have four who I've hired like in my company per se, which means I pay like for their holidays, for health and stuff. And around 10 freelancers plus minus four.

- It's cool that you've gone from just being solo to that. - Yeah. - It's so kind of crazy to have that kind of ambition. I think a lot of people would be like, "Okay, this is scary." - Yeah. - It is. - It is so horrible. - Every day I wake up in sweat. I'm like, "Oh my God, is this the downfall today?" - Yeah, 'cause I was gonna ask, you are human, right? - I just wanna check that you've not

- You wanna see if I bleed? - You know, like the T100. - You're wearing a wristband that checks your vitals. I'm not too sure, to be honest. - If you don't know, like Mudan, you are the most efficient

I've ever met in my life to the point where sometimes I questioned if you have not like pre-programmed yourself every morning to be the most efficient thing you could be. - I remember one time where I was like, yeah, this guy's not human. It was AX a few years ago where you were there and we were just chilling out in the hotel room or the hotel lobby or something. And we were just like chatting and all that kind of stuff. And then just like,

as this conversation is going between Mudan and myself and like a couple of other people, Mudan just like pulls his phone out and just starts like doing something. And I thought you were like playing a game and I looked over and you had mirrored your computer back at home onto your mobile and you were editing a video on your phone. - Yeah, I think it was because Trash Chase, like merely needed the outro cinematic to be like longer or something. - Yeah. - And it had to be done within half an hour. - You were just doing it on your phone.

- How is it even possible? - This guy's not human. - It takes a while. It's like 10 times longer on the phone, but it's still a man. - Yeah, no shit is 10 times longer. - Yeah. - So like, I wanna ask, what is your advice for like efficiency hack? How does it- - How did you min-max your life? - Yeah, how do you min-max your life as much as possible? - Addiction. Just be addicted to one thing, do it. Just stick to that. That's the only explanation. - I think a lot of the times when,

people have, well, YouTubers and they work with editors, it's kind of like this honeymoon period where it's really fun and it's exciting to edit for someone new. And then it kind of becomes a lot more like, okay, there's a deadline, can we make sure we meet it? And it becomes like that. But I guess, yeah, it's never been like that for you, which is very strange. - Yeah, so how did you, I guess that's one thing I've always wanted to ask you is like, how did you get into video editing? Where does that passion come from?

- Well, I don't know how about a lot of people, but pretty much until I was like 17, 16, I had no ambition in life. Like I didn't know what I wanted to do in life. - Me too, me too. - You just described every teenager. - Exactly, people ask you, "Oh, what do you want to be when you grow up?" You're like, "IT worker, I don't fucking know." But well, when I was 13, I was really like panic mode, looked around my room, what should my purpose in life be? I saw my PSP collection, was like, "I'm gonna collect all of them."

- Okay. - And that was for the next five years. That was my life's purpose. - Right. - And then I think in high school they had like,

And I borrowed them for like, no, actually just before that year, I decided to do like a stop motion Tetris with chocolate for some reason. I don't know why. - That's kind of cute. - Yeah, 'cause like back then the cameras didn't really shoot film. Like none of the phones had videos and I had one camera at home and it was like one of those old ones that only shot pictures. So I couldn't like shoot video. I was like, all right, stop motion it is.

And when I got to school, they actually had cameras you could borrow. So I got to...

I borrowed a camera and it was really fun to like think of something and make it into reality. And then for the next three years, I pretty much had the camera like half the time with me. - So like we talked about this before we started recording, but what are you wearing now? Like, cause I thought it like me and Connor thought it was a wristwatch at first. And I was like, wait a minute, I can't see any numbers on that. - No, this is a whoop. This is a pretty much to check your vitals, I guess.

- What is a better word to use it? - It's like dystopian as fuck to say that. - You have the same thing, you just have a screen on it. - It's just steps, it's got steps. - Doesn't it check your pulse? - Yeah, it does too. - Does it check your sleep? - I don't wear it for bed. - It does the same thing, I just don't have a fucking screen. - How the fuck can you sleep with it on?

- I mean, there is something ironic about me being like, oh yeah, you're so dystopian, ha ha. I was thinking of getting like a smartwatch, but then I was like, I don't want a screen on my watch. So this was the almost- - Next best option. - Most of the time if I get buzzed like three times in a row too fast, I just like rip it off. I'm like, fuck this.

I'm like, stop pissing me off. - I used to wear a smartwatch as well, but just the constant, 'cause every notification goes to your wrist. So it's like, I don't want this. - I just liked it when I, it was just kind of extra serotonin, even though you don't need this, when you go to the gym or you work out, or even if you do a long walk and you come back, it's like, that walk was 700 calories.

- Nice. - But how true is it? - Probably not true. It's probably a little over generous. But this one has the Fitbit, it's bullshit anyway. It's all bullshit. - Yeah, so I mean, like this is going through something different now, but so you wanted a smartwatch that wasn't a smartwatch, but that could give you everything that a smartwatch could give you, except for telling the time. - Yeah. - Are you trying to optimize being a human? - Yeah.

- What do you mean? - He's trying to fit in with the humans. - Are you trying to become the perfect human being? - So to edit better, you need to be healthy. - Oh my God. - If you're tired, the day is going to go to waste. You can't get as much done. So you need to be more productive. You need to sleep well, you need to eat well, you need to get all your vitamins. - So are you being like very health conscious recently?

- Yeah, it's not like maximizing everything like 100%, but just a bit more. - I saw you made a tweet saying like, what happens if you take like every vitamin on earth? Was that like a joke tweet or is that something you've done? - No, it's not. I'm taking it, it's still here. - What the fuck? - We shared a room not too long ago and he had this like Monday, Tuesday, can I say this? He had this Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday medicine thing. He had two of them and they were both full of just various pills. And I was like, there was at least 20 pills.

- The day he was taken. - You're not human bro. - And what is the day? - 24. - Okay, 24 pills. What is it? - A day? - Yes, and it's like a handful, like a legit handful of pills. - It's nice, it's like your morning lunch as well. - Dude, you're gonna have-

- So what is in these 24 pills and what are you hoping to get out of it? - Okay, so it's basic vitamins. 'Cause in Estonia you lack sunshine a lot. So I was like vitamin D deficient. So that's a big thing. Then I have minerals. Like I was also, okay don't- - How'd you know if you're vitamin D deficient? - Okay, first of all, don't take pills just 'cause you can buy them. Like I...

- It sounds like when you're on 24 pills, you gotta be close. - I did a different blood tests to like, first of all, vitamins tests and then mineral tests. - Yeah. - I mean, vitamin D deficiency is pretty bad. - Okay, where did you get this done? How did you, this is a place you can do it? - Maybe I should do it. Well, I'm just gonna go, I gotta go to the hospital. - I'll give you like blood grades and stuff, yeah. - Yeah, but it's not about like vitamins and stuff and minerals. - It's just about like blood health.

- Whatever that means. - It was like a long time ago because I didn't eat red meat that much 'cause I just didn't want to. I was very vitamin B12 deficient and I would get like insane headaches and tired and I didn't know why. And then I took the pills and I was like, fine, like two weeks afterwards. - I mean, it sounds smart when you put it in that perspective, but also it sounds,

- Bro, you're gonna end up in the fucking like old folks with like 80 pills a day. - Is it only red meat where you can get that vitamin or was there some kind of food you feel like that? - Red meat is the best thing for that. - You didn't wanna just change the diet a little bit? - 'Cause I was kind of dumb. Like every day I would eat the same things. I would wake up, eat porridge. In the middle of day I'd eat pasta. At night I'd eat rice with like chicken. - What? - All carbs. - That's what all I eat for like two years straight.

Like only those things. - Yeah, I think I'd get a headache too if I ate all that for two years. - It was fine, I liked it. - I'm sure you did, but like- - Wait, what was the pasta? Was it plain or like something? - It had some cheese on it. - I can see why you wear the whoop now, bro. - Do you know how expensive food is? - I'd be pretty scared as well for my vitals. - This was really cheap. It was like 50 bucks a month.

- Was this before you became a full-time editor? - Yeah. - Do I need to be paying you more? - No, when I got an actual job, I was like, all right, in my pasta, I'm gonna put like mincemeat now. - Living good. - Okay. - We're putting mincemeat in this. - So personal question, have you always been like,

conscious about how optimized you are as a human being? Or was this something that happened naturally as you got more editing jobs and you kind of like started working more for all of us? I'm asking if- - Why you look at me like I was hot. - Yeah, you were like, like preparing to say something. - I was thinking, I was like, yeah, I think I do optimize some things, but not like my diet or any, which I probably should optimize. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I definitely think about, do you, anyone do this where you,

when I need to do multiple things in the house, I'm always constantly thinking about the optimal path in order to do everything. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. - And I'm obsessed with it. I don't know why. - But the problem is, is that for a lot of people, they think about the optimal path, but they think about it for way too long and then don't get any of it done. - Yeah, that has happened. Sorry, go ahead.

- Oh, what was the question? - Yeah, so like, were you always conscious about how optimized your life was? - Kinda, it mostly depends on how, like where I am in life. 'Cause like people can watch YouTube videos like, oh, how to optimize your life. And like, there's like 10 things, but that doesn't work 'cause you need to optimize it for yourself. Everybody's so different. - Yeah, it's not personalized. - So even if I find like a perfect app that works me for that year, like two years later, I might move to something that works for that time.

- Yeah, for sure. - Because in the beginning when I didn't have like a team, I didn't need Google Calendar, I didn't need like specific apps, but now that it's like bigger or my life is different,

- Yeah. So when did the vitamins get like at which point, because okay. - 24 fucking vitamins a day. - When does the vitamin R start? - I understand like optimizing your life, getting calendars, getting like a to-do list every day. You know, I've done that. There's a big step for me from like trying to optimize some parts of your life to be like, I can take

every vitamin under the sun to make sure that my body is as optimized as possible, which is actually a pretty smart thing to do to become health conscious, but that is a big step. - I just don't wanna be on a steady diet of pills. - I assume the only people who do this are like professional actors who have to get in like crazy shape or something, right? Like the most insane body coaches. - It's not like it's insane, I don't know, testosterone pills or something. It's like very basic stuff.

- Like what? - Vitamin B, C, D, fucking magnesium, calcium, selenium. - You don't get any of this stuff enough? - Not really. - I think you need to be expanding maybe your diet. - I mean, I know, I think we probably have deficiencies too. - Oh, no, for sure. - But I'm just like, oh man, feel tired today. Tomorrow we'll be fine. - Chug a couple of coffees and we good. - Like a half a year ago, I stumbled upon this YouTuber. I was influenced.

- Oh, okay, okay. - Called like Brian Johnson, who looked like kind of like, but kind of insane. 'Cause he's like this kind of a vampire, insane rich person who tries to live forever in a way. - I think I've heard of this person. - I was very skeptical in the beginning, but then he has like no ulterior motives. Like everything that he does or tests is on his website for free, like 100%. And I was like, okay, that's pretty interesting. And I looked at his statistics and all the pills and everything.

and like his description on how it changed his life. And I was like, okay, well, I'm gonna try it out for a month, see how it works. And after like two weeks, I would say my personal like feelings increased by like 20% and my wellbeing. - Wow. - That was a sizable change.

- I'm gonna try this too and I'll come back and be like, man, you changed my life. - Connor's gonna come back to the office with a medicine box. - I gotta figure out who I gotta ask to get these tests done. What do you just get blood tests? - Just go to the hospital. - Do you have a coupon code? - Yeah, you got like a website or something? - Yeah, you got a website, you got a code. - Is there like a subscription or something? - Just normal hospitals. - Presumably you have to go back to check up on like how,

- Is there any downsides to getting like, you're putting on medical professional, but I assume this downside is having too much of certain vitamins as well. - Yeah, I know. Like I picked the ones that I needed, not everything that he takes. I designated towards my like diet. So some like half the stuff I'm not taking, some stuff I'm taking. 'Cause I did like, I've done blood tests for a couple of years now to see like how my vitamins are. And pretty much now I just,

I did the mineral test as well, which are pretty expensive because it charged like 20 bucks per one mineral, which is pretty insane. But I discovered some that I'm missing for some reason, which are like kind of basic. And so I'm just taking those. And I think some only last also for half a year and then I'm gonna stop taking them. - Right, right, right. - So it's not like I'm doing it forever.

- What do you think has been like the most effective? Is it the vitamins? - Absolutely no fucking idea. I'm taking like 20 of them. That's the issue. - It could just be a placebo for all we know as well. - If it was, that's great. I don't care. - Yeah, fair enough. - As long as it works. - Yeah, I mean, yeah. I think I'd feel something putting 24 pills in my body. - Yeah, probably. - I'd either be floating by the end of it or I'd be- - Or tripping balls. - I'd be scared to swallow stuff for a while. - Actually, I brought some gifts. - Oh, you did? - Oh, shit. - Damn, all right.

- Some vitamins? - Oh! - Wait, why did she bring this? - I feel like maybe we're a bit tired, you know? Garnt just flew here. - If you're tired, Garnt, you should definitely drink this. - Oh, okay, okay. What's this one? - So these are some really fancy things. I don't, no, you haven't really said that in Japan, but in every Konbini, there's like a wall of these little liquids. - Yeah. - And they're supposed to be drank like before drinking or after drinking. - That one. - Maka no genki. What the fuck? This is like a give you energy. This is fucked.

- Yeah, I actually drink one of these every morning now. - Oh shit. - It actually works better for me than a coffee. I drank one this morning and I'm feeling good. So that's really good. - What the fuck, by the way? Maca-A-Kee-Zu?

- Maka is like- - What the hell is makaikisu? - It's like a, yeah, ikisu is extract. - What the hell? Are you popping it up? - Yeah. - This one is peparisu. This is also for like, I think this is more so for hangovers and stuff like that. This is like a liver kind of drink. So it helps cleanse your liver after a night of drinking. You drink this before you start drinking. - Yeah, that's not an energy drink. That's a hangover cure.

- Yeah, I was like, oh shit, is Miran bringing us vodka or something? - When you bought out the Yukon, I'm like, oh my God. - We call these magic potions. - But why does it taste like Red Bull? - All of them taste like Red Bull. - They all taste like Red Bull. - So like, yeah, Pete one time had this drink, 'cause there's a drink called Oronamisi. - Oronamisi. - I can never fucking say that. Oronamisi. It's basically just an energy drink, but I guess it's,

- It looks like a vitamin, like kind of a medicine bottle. And Pete was like, "Man, I used to drink those all the time when I was sick. I'd have like four of them." I was like, "Pete, you know, there's like 20 grams of sugar in one of those." - This episode is sponsored by ExpressVPN. Going online without ExpressVPN is like not having a case on your phone.

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He's like, oh, I guess I did feel something.

- I was like, yeah, if you drink four energy drinks and you feel sick, you're gone. You're not gonna feel much better. - You're fucking gone, bro. - God, I remember that. - Christ. - Yeah, so that's, Maca apparently is also good for erectile dysfunction. Maca, apparently it gets you like mega hard, so. - Wait, what? Gets you hard or? - It keeps you hard. - I'll give you an update in 20. - That's the Josh Day special right there.

- Entire episode, but we're all wrong. - Just take a Viagra. - And you'll never know which episode it is. - Is Viagra over the counter in Japan? - I have no idea. I very much doubt it. - In the UK, like a few years ago, they made it over the counter. - Really? - You can just rock up to the store and buy Viagra. - What, just like at a convenience store? - Yeah. - Really? - Yeah. - Damn. - So this episode is- - I'm good.

- My penis is healthy. - Yeah, but I very much doubt it just because there's a lot of stuff that are over the counter in other countries. It's just a lot harder to find in Japan. - Yeah. - Very much. - This sounds kind of wild, just having a rock hard penis completely out of your control.

- But Viagra is only prescription based. - Prescription. - It's prescription based here. - My favorite like insane Muden fact that you told me that, I don't know if you still do this. You told me that you were spending like a thousand dollars a month on Fiverr, just finding editors. - No, no, that was a long time ago.

Like at the beginning. - Yeah, that's crazy. - So run through that. Like how did you? - Well, Connor was like, all right, I'm gonna do a highlight channel. I'm gonna need editors. And I'm like, okay, I can handle it. And then he was like, all right, five hours of footage. He's like, all right, how about two videos a week? Can you do more? Can you do four videos a week? I'm like, no. But I just needed editors fast. So I went through Fiverr. I spent so much time on Fiverr trying to find different editors. I would say it's,

I found some really solid leaders there, like really talented, who are still with me. But I would say out of like 50 people that you test, you find one person who fits. And that's where you're like, sometimes I'd spend two grand and I wouldn't even get like a video that's usable at all. - Right, right, right.

- Jesus Christ. - So did you find that there was a correlation between how much you paid and how good the editor was? - Yeah. So I pay like, you know, there's people who don't charge much. So they'd be like, all right, I do it for $10. And then person was like, I do it for 200. Both same quality. - Really? - Yeah. Like literally. - That's so fucking funny. - If it costs over 100, probably shit.

It's like the people in the middle who are like 50, around $50, those are good. So you find those. A lot of them also do it just to like get their foot in the door. So there have been some people who are like, yeah, I'm doing it right now just to have my name out there. And who I've actually like helped and now they're editing for like their YouTubers as well. Who started at $50, now they're making a couple of grand. - I think the biggest thing about being a YouTuber, at least for me personally, because we do work with a lot of editors as well,

- It's finding the consistency and finding someone who understands YouTube editing. 'Cause I think YouTube editing is very, very different from traditional media editing. - If somebody does traditional media, I'm instantly like, no, that doesn't work. 'Cause relearning is like almost impossible, but you can teach somebody from scratch. - A question right away. What is one of the videos of ours that you've edited that just makes you shudder when you think about it? It's just like the video you're like, not again.

- Any of our videos. - I could probably answer for a minute. Probably the Japan special, right? - Yeah. - Well, yeah. - That was probably so huge. - I guess the trash chase special was like, it's so fun when I'm in it, but it's kind of like same with video games. Like you want to get into it and you know you're going to spend the next six hours of your life, at least six hours minimum. If you don't have six hours of free time, you're not going to start on it. But I never have six hours of free time. So it's really hard to like get into the mindset of it.

- Right, right, right. - 'Cause usually on a daily basis, I go through like 10, 20 videos and there's just not enough time to like- - Well, you'll just open a video for five minutes and be like, all right, next video.

- No, what do you mean? - You said 10 videos, right? Are you opening a video of like 30 minutes at a piece and then just- - I mean, it can be like 10 minutes, some can be two hours, it depends. - Okay, okay. - 'Cause like my job right now, like I'm most of the glue that holds everything together. I'm like the quality control. So sometimes like, yeah, I go over the video, I'm like, all right, that's cool. Maybe I just change one or two things. And sometimes I'm like, all right, well, that's like four hours of my work just to like get it up to par. - Right, right, right. - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

- Is there a video that you look back on that you've edited for like any of us that you're like, this was a tough one. This was a tough one. - Are there any like types of videos where you're just like, oh God, this is gonna be a- - Anime videos, I hate them so much.

- No, like what you do is fine now, but I would say- - You'd be happy to know. - I would say that the old type where you're like, all right, so I'm going through "Full Metal Alchemist" and this episode 36, they did that thing. And you'd be like, all right, well I have to get the raw footage. I have to go through the entire season, find that one specific moment just for that two seconds. And then I have to do it again like a hundred times. - I remember when we did the hentai special, I just handed you all the hentai.

And then I guess you had to go through it for the patron version and play the bits we were talking about. - That was pretty easy compared to like normal stuff. - Because it's only a couple of episodes, right? - This is why Moodon doesn't edit for my channel. - How does Alan do it? - So we- - He gets paid monthly.

- He has a salary, which, you know, there's a big difference between how we paid Mudan, like, or I guess how we paid Mudan right now, which is kind of like more of a project for project basis, where for me and the editing team I have for my channel, it's a salaried kind of based. Because I soon realized that having them watch anime takes time. And it's weird to get billed

for someone being like, "It took me 10 hours to watch this many episodes of anime to find the right footage." - Right. - You do forget that sometimes. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 'Cause you don't really factor that in when you're editing, obviously the footage where it's not technically on the timeline, they're just kind of like, maybe they need to watch it to get familiar with the material. So I was just like, I think a salaried kind of like position works better than a freelance position because having to- - Sure.

when you're like just watching anime, it tracks a lot harder as well. - Yeah, for sure. - Yeah. But I always wanted to ask, what was your opinion when you edited the first Trash Taste episode? And not like the first one we released. - The zero? - Yeah, episode zero. So the Patreons will know this. We recorded like an episode zero.

- If you want to see that patreon.com/trajitschallenge. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Where it was just like us doing a, it was mostly just like camera setup test where we're just setting up to see if it looks good. We recorded and then we kept talking until like the camera went out, even though it was like only meant to be a test to see how Mudan could make it look. What was your initial reactions when you first saw like the trash taste and what we were going to be doing?

"Damn, that's easy." - It's like finally something easy. - Finally something easy to do. - Before that I had like a similar type of content that I was making and it was so intense and so hard. So like Trash Taste kind of helped me pivot from that to like this, which is much easier. And yeah, I like it. You also handled it pretty well. Like there was no awkwardness. The walls were, I guess, weirdly empty.

And looking back- - Yeah, because we didn't have any like- - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - The camera right now is like really natural. And at the beginning, it also seemed really natural how it was so flat. Looking back, it's like, whoa, that's weird. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I look back to like our first season "Trash Taste" episodes and it goes to the center camera, I'm just like, whoa, I don't remember the camera looking like that. - Well, it was really far away 'cause we didn't have-

- Well, we didn't have much money. So we kind of just had a camera that had a, I think a 24 millimeter lens, which made it have to just be like at the end of the room, which gives it this really weird look of like, you can tell it's far away. - It's very wide looking. - It's very, very interesting.

and no one could go in the middle of the room. Like everyone had to be in the corners 'cause if you went through the middle, you'd be walking past it. - I don't remember what we even talked about on that like pilot episode. - I don't remember either. It was a long time ago. - What's been your favorite "Trash Taste" video to edit? - All the specials. - All the specials? - I just, well, I love the specials 'cause it's literally like the closest to a TV shows that you make.

And I also can, well, I love a trash taste 'cause you don't have me like force me to do anything. It's like full creative freedom. So I can experiment with whatever. - Well, because everything you produce is bang over.

It's all based on a trust system, right? Which is very important. - Yeah, I mean, that's pretty much what keeps me going. Like the creative freedom. 'Cause the moment that somebody is like, all right, here's like five sheets of exactly what you have to do. That's when I'm like, okay, this is a job now. I don't wanna do it. - Yeah, right. - 'Cause like, I remember it's funny that you said that about anime footage. 'Cause I remember, I think how we found you was you were originally an anime YouTuber, right? - Yeah. - We're an anime YouTuber. - Like how, when,

I mean, you still kind of make... I can't remember what was the last anime video you've actually made on your personal channel. Because Mudan does actually have a personal channel and personal streams, which you do to, I guess, figure out the...

- Logistics. - Logistics and the landscape of the other editing projects that you're gonna be doing, I guess. When did you stop doing anime content? - I think like three years ago. - Three years ago? - It was, well, I didn't wanna do it anymore. - Right. - 'Cause I was not that passionate.

- Happens to everyone eventually, except for this guy. - Except for this guy. - I mean, yeah. - Well, you go through so much anime, everything seems repetitive. And then also like if you do reviews, it's like, what new can I say to this? Like I don't have that natural charisma or like ideas to bring to the table without it going too stale. - Yeah. - But I think when I found you, what set you apart immediately from a lot of other AniTubers was just like, again, like you had this like,

it wasn't just like a sit in front of a camera, do a review type of thing, go through episodes, throw on a joke, that kind of stuff. I think what made you and in the same way that made Gaunt very unique in the Antichube sphere was just that you guys had your own flavor that made it instantly like, this is a Giga video, or this is a Moodon video. And in your case, you were just going,

- So balls to the walls with your editing. I remember I was just like every like three seconds, it was just like, oh, there's an after effects thing. There's an after effects thing. It just seemed like so over the top. But I think that was like one of the big reasons why I like decided to like get you to edit for me was just like, no one in the AniTube sphere is editing like this. You know, no one's making videos like this. And I think that's what kind of set you apart from everyone else, you know?

- Well, when I started AniTube, I only did it for two reasons. 'Cause I wanted to be a YouTuber in a way, but I didn't have much to talk about. So it was either video games or anime. It was like the two hobbies. And I already did video games for like a year. And that got nowhere. So I was like, all right, anime, fuck it. - Why did you go for video games first? - I don't know, it's more basic. Everybody does it. I wanted to see if it works. But I think the big issue was I did not really,

I guess commit to the community. 'Cause I did not speak to anybody. And in a year of like doing videos, I did not grow at all, but I did learn like a lot of important stuff for editing. So when I started AniTube, I actually went to like community boards, interact with members, did like community events and it was really fun. And that's how I met a lot of people.

I think maybe like some of you as well through some of that. - Yeah, I can't remember when I first met you. It must've been some anime expo. - I think at first anime. - It's always anime when the anime community was still a thing and people met up at anime expo. - Good old days. - The good old days. - When you weren't swamped. - Yeah, so you've been doing a lot more streams now.

- I got to ask what made you want to do the stream where you sat in a white room doing fucking nothing. - Dude, I wanna steal this idea so bad. - Is that the one where we raided you when you specifically texted us not to raid you? - You were doing the after dark and I was like, all right, I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna message Connor, please do not raid me. - I didn't see the message. - And I'm like, okay, I'll message Joey in case as well.

- Joey also didn't see it. - 'Cause we were live, I think. What was the concept of the stream? You wanna tell people what it was? - So pretty much I went into a white room. Like I took a friend's apartment room, made the floors white with like sheets, everything white. Like the camera would be just the lens I'd cover everything up. And I would just stay there. Essentially it'd be like a subathon, but for every sub I'd stay there for like a minute or two minutes longer. - Damn. And how long were you in there for? - It wasn't that long. It was like 13 hours.

- You said it started the fuck with you, right? - Oh yeah, absolutely. It was horrible. - I mean, you literally put yourself in a psychiatric hospital. - Solitary confinement. - Yeah, in solitary confinement. - There's been a lot of studies that say that like being in that kind of environment, like after even like a few days can like really cause some mental harm. - Well, there was that Vsauce video, right? - Yeah, it's really, really bad for you. - That's where I got the idea from actually.

- Oh, right. - It's like Michael did it and I was like, "Hmm." Well, he did a YouTube, 'cause most of my streams have been like, "Well, people have done YouTube videos. I can do it live on a stream instead." So I was like, "All right." - So you and Connor have the same mindset with that. - Yeah, I wanna do that too. I wanna have some way the chat can fuck with me though. - I feel like that kind of messes up the dynamic of a white room. 'Cause I'm going more for the normal type of like- - Psychological torture kind of vibe. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Like the zoo type of vibe, right? Where people just look in but you can't interact. - But it's not torture? - I feel like that's boring though. - 'Cause you can leave.

- Okay. - We have to say for Twitch, you can always leave. It's not torture.

- You can leave anytime you want. - So yeah, Mudan does a lot of streams and a lot of the time, Mudan does streams and then I'll see which ones are like not fucked and then I'll just take the ideas. - When you did the treadmill stream, that seemed pretty fucked. - Yeah, but I thought that'd be easy, honestly. - What do you mean? It was so bad. It was like 14 hours of pain for me. - Yeah, I thought, no, I could do it. I looked at that and I was like, this is one of the more achievable Mudan ideas. - And was it like as achievable as you hoped?

- Yeah, but it was miserable. It was an awful idea. So I did this stream where the viewers could control, or you did it first. So you did one where you walked a hundred thousand steps. - Yeah, I wanted to do a hundred thousand steps on stream without stopping even once. So I got a treadmill. I had like different activities planned and it was also like a donut-a-thon. So people gave money, Joey graciously, like fed pretty much a hundred dogs by himself. - Yep, 'cause it was funny. - And that also gave me like 20,000 more steps.

You're welcome. Um, and, and so you did that and I thought, well, that's good, but I don't want to do it as crazy. And in my head, I was like, that's a cool idea, but I feel like marathon is such a good clickbait word. Hmm.

'Cause it's such a strong association with like- - And it's easy to understand, right? - Yeah, yeah, 100,000 steps is, I mean, it's much better than a marathon if you're in terms of distance. But I was like, a marathon, I think makes sense. So I did that, but I was like, what if I let the viewers control the speed of the treadmill? - Right. - So I got one of my moderators to program a treadmill that we could,

used with the chat interactivity. It was miserable, it was horrible. I realized how bad it is that someone else controls your speed. Like that was the single most worst aspect of it that you couldn't get a pace. - That sounds like it. - Yeah. - I wonder if that's like actually worse than going at the same pace for double the distance.

- I think I would, I don't know. It's hard to say. - It just fucks up your rhythm, right? - Yeah, because the moment I would get comfortable, they would change it. And there was no delay on the inputs. So they were changing it every half second. - I thought about going faster at points as well. But after doing a couple of tests, I figured out that no, it has to be exactly the same amount the entire way through. Otherwise it's like too much muscle effort. - Yeah, you need your legs to get so used to it. 'Cause when you start walking at any point, your legs are like .

- Also it like fucks with your balance as well, right? Which is important 'cause like if you're nice and balanced on a treadmill, then it's like less energy. - Everyone has like an optimal stride. - Yeah. - And like a stride that is like least resistance for you. And you'll find it by fucking around on the treadmill. Or like I saw you running on a treadmill as well and you're like, I could run faster, but I will be able to run way less in like the next 30 minutes if I do this because it's just gonna be more work for me. - Yeah, for sure. - That was miserable.

So, but good luck editing that video. That's an eight hour video. - Going up in a couple of days. - Is it really? Is it fun? It must've been awful to edit. - It was decent 'cause you didn't do much. - Yeah, it was kind of hard to do anything. - It was like you complaining for 50% of the time. - That was kind of it, yeah. - That's just every Connor video. - Well, that's a lot of it. That's a lot of it. - That's just Connor in general, in fact. - But hey, it was only a one stream. Muda messaged me one time and was like, "Connor, you gotta stop doing these streams "that are like five streams into one video."

- Yeah. - Are you talking about his "Fear and Hunger" videos? How's he editing that many hours of footage? - I think that one's good. - Well, the videos perform well. I know the videos are gonna do well. But he does like, all right, "Fear and Hunger," "Fear and Hunger," all endings. Then it was like something else that was like 20 hours. And for like a month straight, you only filmed videos that were 20 to 30 hours long.

And each video takes like a month to edit. And you need two videos out a week. It's like, please make a meme review. - Make a meme review. - So there I was like, all right, honey. Yes, honey, I'll make a meme review.

And then every time you go like on a trip, I need to be like, "Man, we don't have enough videos, please." - Yeah, after then I've had to, yesterday I had to do a stream where I did two videos in one. - Right, right. - To keep them content. - I'm fine with the backlog, but for some reason, every time winter comes, you're like, "Mudan, can we do four videos a week?" I'm like, "Can we not?" - You gotta get that ad revenue. - So for context, Mudan runs my streaming channel, but we split the ad revenue that we get.

And we kind of like, I guess we strategize on how to make it like perform well. And a lot of the time it sucks, but if you like cut up videos, like a lot of people would rather just watch one hour of something, just have it, go through it all, than four videos of 15 minutes. - Yeah, for sure. - Which is bad for the YouTube channel if you're trying to upload two a week, 'cause it's like, okay, now how do we keep this going? 'Cause some games, you know, like they just, they naturally run their course at like,

20 hours of play time. But if you split up into two videos, the first video will get tons of views and no one's gonna watch the second video. 'Cause it's just how it goes for some reason. - All YouTube used to be able to get away with that. - But you should upload 30 fucking parts. - I know. - And you watch all of them.

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and all other streaming platforms. Thank you for your time. Give us a listen and check us out. - And now I'll do like a hundred hour play through. I'll be like, wait, can we get to one video please?

So yeah. - How do you keep sane during those types of videos where it's just like one thing? 'Cause I mean, I have this same problem where I send my editors like the 20th Genshin video and they're like, "Please, Garnt, please." - Do something else. - I beg of you. - And I'm like, "All right, I got you. Honkai Star Rail, baby." - Oh my God. - We'll do it like back to back, you know, like Honkai Genshin, Honkai Genshin. - Gotta spread it out, you gotta spread it out.

And then I'm like, all right, fine. I'll do a tier list video. It's okay. - I'll do an IGN anime list for you, it's fine. - I got to ask, has there ever been a point where you've been watching a Trash Taste episode and something one of us

has made you like legitimately angry multiple times. - I've noticed, I've started to notice in recent Trash Taste episodes, whenever someone says something, usually Connor, there's like a little like window that pops up being like, "Um, actually." - Yeah, this is very helpful to have actually. - Yeah. - Well, it works sometimes when you're kind of doubting yourself as well, but sometimes I don't notice it 'cause you're like, "Well, yeah, that's true for sure. "You just say it out there." I don't even notice that.

You're like, yeah, that's a fact. I know this. I'm like, all right. - Okay, what is the most egregious thing that we said was a fact that was wrong? - I know the most annoying thing was why do they put the white paint on airplanes? - Oh, 'cause there's no solid answer online. - The fucked up thing was that you looked on the Google, like why is it that? And it said, oh, 'cause black paint is heavier and then,

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- What the fuck is the point of that article then? - No, it's Google that like picks the correct answer, but it like messes up. - Well, Google has this bad thing where if you feed it the answer you want, like you ask the question in a way, it will find an article that gives you the answer that you kind of were looking for a lot of the time.

which is kind of bad 'cause a lot of the time you're like, yes, I guess I'll trust the first thing that popped up. - Yeah, yeah. - Which is annoying and obviously. - So like the Mudan fact checks that like are on screen every so often, we did not tell him to put that on. - Yeah, that's just me. - I was like, I'll do it myself. - That was a him thing and we kind of just, I didn't even notice it. - We need it, we need it. - I didn't even notice it until people started commenting about it. I'm like, oh, thank God Mudan is fact checking this shit. - I'm like, oh my God, this is such a brilliant idea. - Fact checks are very helpful.

- Yeah, with some of the things you said, I was like, "I can't do this anymore."

- So what's he talking about? - It's also like some of the things need like a wall of text for context. My girlfriend's also optometrist. She's studied like how the eyes and stuff work. And you have a lot of hot takes about, you know, dark mode and how glasses work. And she just keeps editing and was like, "Bro, what are they saying? It's so fucked up." And then I'd hear like a 10 minute rant about how all this wrong. And I'm like, "All right."

- Wait, isn't it actually that, okay, I'm gonna give you one right now so you can work with. Isn't it that like light mode actually is better for your eyes or something, the way the contrast works? - If you have astigmatism, then it's like better 'cause you perceive, like the contrast is better. - Yeah, okay, okay. - So it's a skill issue. - Yeah, sounds like a skill issue. - So it's literally a skill issue. - Sounds like a skill day. - Get better eyes, you know? - Yeah, just get good eyes.

- I'm sorry, I don't have 20/20 vision guys. All right, call me out, okay? I'm trying, okay, I'm trying. I'm gonna get surgery eventually. Sydney literally, she recently actually just got ICO. - Did she convert back to dark mode? - That's a good question. - I don't actually know. I don't think she ever has ever- - She should try it. - Okay, here's the thing.

- Now that I think about it, she's also a light mode user, but that's because it's just default in most apps. I just don't think she- - I got another fact that Moody's gonna have to check. I think the most common surgery in the world is like the replacing the lens of your eye. - Lazy eyes. - The cataracts, is it? - Oh, cataracts. - You know, 'cause when you just age naturally, it gets cloudier. So they just-

when you get older, you just get a change at some point. I think that's the most common. - I really hope when this episode goes up, the box is just gonna say, no you fucker. - That would be so, I'm setting it up so good. If I'm right, pog, if I'm wrong, okay. - You're an idiot. - They're also like so good at doing it now.

But you'll probably, we'll all probably have to get it when we're, if we make it to 80. - Yeah. - Well, Mudan certainly will with all his vitamins, but I'm, it's very questionable if I'll make it. - He's making 800. - No, I knew, I did the 23andMe with the genetics. - Me too, me too. - My eyes are gonna get fucked up. - Oh fuck, really? - Yeah. - What else, what other health things did they tell you? - Dementia. - Dude, me too. - Oh fuck yeah, boy.

- Fuck yeah, dementia. - Dementia gang. - I actually forgot about that. Yeah, they said Alzheimer's as well. They said I had a high chance. And I was shitting myself. They said, "Oh, you have a high chance of Alzheimer's." I was like, "Fuck, okay, that sounds bad." And I click on it. And their high risk category meant 1% extra chance or something. I was like, "Bro."

- Are you kidding me? I gamble with way worse odds. I'll take 1%. - And they also check like one like sequence out of 50 possible ones. So even if that's low, the other can be high. - Well, yeah, 'cause mine said like very low chance of balding. So that was a fucking-

- So that was a lie. Straight lie. Go watch the video, it's still up on YouTube, you can see it. - Wow. I should do one and then we should reveal it on Trash Taste. - You know what's annoying? Do you get this emails all the time? 'Cause I did the ancestry and I did- - Oh, we found a new ancestry. - We found a new cousin. I don't fucking care. I don't want a new cousin. I don't want any cousins. - I get that so often, I have to mute it.

- That's just my life. - I was gonna say, I was like, this is how much, like how Garnt describes all his relationships with his family. - He's just like, we found three cousins. - I don't want any fucking new cousins. I don't know, I'm happy with the cousins I have. - It's like every family meeting I have, I'm just like, oh, that's a new cousin, like a cousin cousin or like a cousin? And they're like, yes. - But like, you know, if I'm like,

three connections away, like it's so sparse the connection. I'm like, why are you telling me? I don't care. Who does this interest? - Yeah, I'm not gonna go meet fucking Barry Dissinger in fucking North Carolina. - Dissinger. - Like North Carolina's like fourth removed. Like I'm not gonna go fucking meet him. - But you can travel all over the world. You just have a place to stay. - That's a Mr. Beast video. I contact all of my cousins for a battle royale.

- You're probably wondering why I've all dragged you into the group chat. - Only one of us can continue the bloodline. We're going to decide right now. - That's just an average Asian household except we're fighting over inheritance from our grandma. - True. - Yeah, Asians are like, "Yeah, we do that every generation actually." - That's why I'm really good to my grandma.

- Wow. - Do you think we're gonna get immortality within our lifetime? 'Cause I- - What? - I don't know, because like- - I mean, he's gonna get a fuck. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm like, if anyone's gonna outlive anyone, it's gonna be Mudan. - Not immortality, the de-aging stuff apparently is doing well. - Okay, so de-aging is what I really meant. - Bro, you're not a mortal, so if you get hit by a fucking truck, let's see how mortal you are. - Just don't get hit by a truck. - Okay. - De-aging though. - Doesn't Japan have like the highest age?

- Yes. - No, not anymore, it's Hong Kong now. - Oh, is it Hong Kong? - Yeah. - But how did they do it? Did they just drink the little bottles? - Yeah. - I think it's just the diet, right? The diet, like the average Japanese person just,

doesn't have a fucked diet. - Also just naturally, I think a lot of Japanese foods are just standardized to be more healthier than other like cuisines in the world. - But they do have one of the highest rates of, or higher rate of stomach cancer 'cause of all the salt they generally use. Soy sauce obviously is just pure salt. - MSG dog.

- I think it's just genetic diff. - I don't think it's a genetic diff. - You don't think it's genetic diff? - No, I think it's diet. It's all diet, Garnt. - It's probably diet. I mean, there might be some genetic stuff in there. - I feel like genetics has, okay, you're gonna have a fucking awful time. - Dude, when I was looking at me being like, oh, for fuck's sake. - When I'm at a Rio Can and they give me half of these foods, I'm like, yeah, no shit, I'm gonna be immortal if I eat all this.

I don't know what half of this shit is and half of it is slimy and I feel like it tastes healthy. - I'm pretty sure you can get every vitamin from the diet. - Oh, absolutely, absolutely. - Yeah. - Like is superfoods a thing? - Yes. - Or is it just like- - Yes. - Yes, but the problem is- - Let me introduce you to broccoli garm and kale. They're superfoods. - The problem with superfoods- - What makes them super though? - 'Cause they have insane benefits to the human body. - Do they?

- I assume so. Let's fact check this. - Like the only reason- - Wake me up when we have ultra foods, man. When are they coming out? Where's the next level from super foods? - Yeah, I want an ultra food. - Then people are like, "Oh, kale's super food. Let me blend it." And then it somehow loses all like a bunch of its traits that allow it to be absorbed into your body. - Oh yeah, isn't that the same thing with like fruit as well? - Yeah, smoothies too, if you blend them, it's not as healthy for you. - I don't know what the blending process does where all the vitamins are just like,

- It's like when you fry something or when you grill something, it's like some foods become a lot less healthy when you grill or fry them. - The problem I find with a lot of these health benefits kind of things is that how much research has actually gone into it? 'Cause I swear to God, sometimes I'll see a video

a video or an article being like, I recommend this diet or I recommend these kinds of foods. And then someone will come out and say, actually that's not as effective as this kind of thing. And then you get to the point where you're like, actually this is bad for your body. And you just like, I get to a point where I'm like, I don't even know what to fucking trust anymore. - No, my favorites are the ones where like these like food researchers, like try to kind of create a middle ground of being like, all right, we get you guys wanna eat French fries.

So we're gonna release an article. I remember I saw this fucking article. - The five French fry one. - Yeah. It's like Harvard professors recommend five French fries a day. It's like, ain't nobody eating five fries a day. - I mean, listen, you can eat shit food, but I think the general consensus is, hey, just eat less, eat the amount of calories your body needs and generally eat,

- Grains or not grains, sorry, like whole grains or like veg or stuff that are high, that are good for you. You can eat the bad things, just eat the things that are good for you too. Don't just drink fucking Dr. Pepper nuggets. - Do you know what the biggest fucking lie I think is? That I'm gonna just say I've got feeling?

"Nine out of 10 doctors recommend this product." And I'm like, "Where are the 10 doctors?" Who is asking the 10 doctors here? - No, my other question is who's the one doctor that didn't recommend it? - Well, no, because obviously if they say 10 out of 10 doctors recommend this, everyone's gonna be like, "Bullshit." And then you say nine out of 10, like, "What the hell?" - Well, even nine out of 10, I'm kind of like, "Bullshit."

- Nine out of 10 doctors that are on our payroll that we paid to do the research for this product recommend our product by the way. - Well, I don't think it's working anymore. That's why they're like, "These YouTubers recommend our products."

- Nine out of 10 YouTubers recommend this product. - Yeah, 'cause like, this is gonna be total bullshit, 'cause like, you know, the whole fucking why do Japanese people age better? I don't know if anyone really knows. - I don't even think the Japanese know. - It's just like, we're guessing that it's diet, you know, it might just be genetics. It could be fucking anything. I don't fucking know. - Yeah, I really don't know. - Yeah, but you know, I don't know how much actual

or research has gone into this, or if it's just like, you know, if it's like a scientifically backed study that has been like approved by a lot of scientists or is it just like one independent study to be like- - Just be healthier. - Just try better. - Have better genetics. - Just try better, yeah. - Yeah. Problem is though, like you want to apply a lot of these things to your life, but you only get one fucking chance. If you fuck up, you read the wrong article, you're fucked.

- There's so many articles that's like 10 years later, they look back and say, "Yeah, that was actually very bad." - Yeah, exactly right. - I remember vividly when I was in school, like there was this like article in Australia or maybe the world, I don't know. But I remember in school there was this article which was just like, "Oh, scientists have concluded that boiled eggs are actually bad for you." And it was just this entire article about that. People were like, "Well, fuck, I gotta cook eggs in a different way." Literally two weeks later,

And it was just like, actually they're good for you. So it's just like, what do you want? Like, do you want us to eat them or? - They used to have smokes with fiberglass filter and that was supposed to be the healthier. - Oh yeah, that's British. - Oh yeah. - The British with asbestos. - Yeah. - Oh yeah. - They used to sell menthol cigarettes with asbestos lining, which is, which is, okay, okay. Which is fucked.

- Hit me out, hit me out. - That's life speed right there. - If you survive that and you live till 80, you just built fucking death. - Yeah, they need to do research on you. It's like he smoked asbestos all his life and he's still somehow alive. - Yeah, I'm not stressing too much about it. I'll just let nature run its course. - Is there like an age you want to get to? Like a goal age where you're like,

it'd be pretty cool if I could get this. - I just don't wanna be taken care of. - Yeah, pretty much. - Yeah, I'm the same, yeah. - So whatever age that is, just throw it out. - Living like last 30 years, like. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. - I just wanna have like an off switch. - Well that's- - I don't know what it's called, but you know. - You wanna game end, okay.

- I'm not gonna go that gamer guys. - You should. - I think the gamers call it SD. - Mike just did it. - In the perfect world, I would just like to have to point where my body just stops working and then it just like shuts down. - That's a heart attack. - Yeah. - You're describing it. - A stroke, a heart attack.

- A bunch of other diseases can do this too. - Would you ever want to get to the point though, like we've all watched Futurama, right? - Yeah. - Yeah, you know in like Futurama they have like all the heads. Would you ever want to get to that point? - No. - Sounds like the new Apple vision pro is on. - Fuck it, I don't know. - Well, I mean, they got to get rid of this thing. - Yeah. - How can you jack off? - You don't have the urge. - Don't ever be an urge to jack off. - That sucks.

- I live day to day with the knowledge of knowing that I'm gonna have a great session of jacking off. - Okay, there's a few- - I'll be like, as a head, I'll be like, Siri, play the video where the guy goes, "Beans." - And I'll just watch it on like the- - On loop forever. - And like, you wouldn't be able to enjoy a meal like ever again. - But imagine how much editing you can get done. - Yeah, that's true. - You're like, "Moon, I can do that."

- Imagine the video games and anime you could get through as a head, as a sentient head. - Moodon's like enjoying a meal, nah. Editing the new "Trash Taste" special in my mind with my eyes. Okay, now I'm getting excited. - You ever felt like, man, I got a problem. I like editing too much. - That was like seven years ago. I accepted it now. I'm at like second step.

- What's the second step? - I don't know, acceptance. - That's the final step. - Wait, you have to like do something about it after this step. - Oh yeah, it's good then. - Yeah. - No, no, there's more steps where you overcome it. - No, no, no, I'm good, I'm here, I'm good. - Okay. - He's achieved his goal. - All right, fair enough. - Fair enough. - What'd you like to do in your downtime?

- Please tell me you have downtime. - Let me rephrase the question, click on. Do you have downtime? - I mean, yeah, sure. How much do you want?

- I don't know, what do you like to do when you're like, I don't have anything to do urgently, I can kind of get to whatever or when you're on holiday? I mean, I assume you're on holiday right now, right? - He's editing this video in his mind as it's being filmed, man. - The first two days here, I was in the office trying to get the new episode out. - Yeah, yeah. - We're so sorry. - But I pretty much picked up streaming just for that reason so I could do new stuff. So like half the hobbies I do through streams, so it's like combination.

- Right, so you're the same as Connor where you find streaming is like- - It's fun, man, it's fun. I really like it. It's fun having an audience to just do dumb shit with. - Fair enough. - Just test ideas. - I don't think I'm in that camp. I'm like, "Mudan, please take a holiday." - No. - We're telling you to take a holiday. - You can't force me. - We're telling you to take a goddamn holiday. - I'm not an employee, I'm a freelancer.

- You have no control over my health. I'm eating vitamins, damn it. - I need to take a quick piss. - All right. - All right. - Do something funny for the Patreon. - So like a few weeks ago, me and Mudan were hanging out and I just kind of remember this. - Wait, is this still Patreon or? - No, no, I guess this is the episode now.

- I can't wait for Connor to tell the story. So we hang out and we had like a night where we were dressed up a bit. We were taking some photos. And then as soon as like that part of the night's over, Mudan's like, "Gon, is part of night over?" And I'm like, "Yeah, great. I want to rip this shirt." And I'm like, "Mudan, why?" And he's like, "I want to..." - Oh, the $300 gone.

- Whoa. - Oh shit. - I didn't realize how far back I went. - You broke off a fucking step more than Ladybeard did. - I guess I did, huh? - How did you do more damage than all of the earthquakes we've had over the past couple of years? - Yeah, I brought some more gifts.

- Okay, what other gifts did you bring? - Well, I know there's a classic Japanese delicacy that you haven't really shown off much. - Why would you bring this? We have shown this off. - Have you? - I think we've shown this off on an episode of Wonder. - You know, call me degenerate, I actually kind of like this. - I don't like this. - Yeah, that's really good. - Get the fuck out of here. - I actually kind of like these. - This is called maru, and what is this, Jerry? Tell the audience what it is. - This is maru, which is basically Japanese sake in a Japanese style.

- How much would this cost? - It's about 110 yen. - So 80 cents for 200 milliliters of hard alcohol. - I think every country- - That's pog.

- It's so cheap. - And it's sake. - It's Japanese. - Every country has an equivalent of shit that's like super cheap that you only drink when you're like really, really young. - Do I have to? - Kanpai, I already took a sip. - Oh my God. - Kanpai. - Oh God. - Newbie. - Kanpai.

- Jesus, guys. - I'm jet lagged as fuck. - I don't like sake. - Well, people loved your drunk episode, so. - Yeah, well, I don't think I'm gonna get drunk today. Not with this shit. I need some nice alcohol. What the fuck, Mudan? - What? Mudan?

- Why did you down that? - I mean, Muna was the small one. - Why are you so unhinged? - Muna was the small one. - Is it not a shot glass? - No. - Okay, rule number one. Okay, I'm gonna tell the audience this, especially Americans. - Did you shot that? - Yeah. - Why? - I'm gonna say it. - It's a shot glass.

- I'm gonna say this on camera, okay? Americans, sake is not meant to be shot at. You are not supposed to shot sake. It's a sippy drink. Munan, you're not supposed to shot sake. It's a sippy drink. - Why is it in such a small bottle then? - This is 200 milliliters. What do you mean? - This is a lot of sake. - It's just a big shot cup.

- You could say that about any vessel. - You could say that about this. - No, he's, he can't stop shouting. I can see the cogs turning. - I'm gonna shove this water. - Dirt me again. - This is what happens when you have an Anistonian on. - It's not bad. - It's actually not bad. He just doesn't like sake. Same with this guy. - I don't like this kind of sake. Oh, Christ. It's like lighter fluid. - What? That's really nice.

- This is how you treat your guests, when they bring gifts. - A gift? You brought me the dollar store. - What do they drink in Estonia normally? - I guess vodka, beer. - Yeah, I guess like that's one thing I wanted to ask is like, I've been, Aki and I have been wanting to like go to Estonia just because we know someone in Estonia now. What's it like? Like, 'cause I think before meeting you,

- I knew nothing of Estonia. Didn't even know Estonia existed. - I know Estonia is like high tech. - Is it high tech? - It is pretty high tech. - Oh really? - We have like, you can do more things online. - Why did you live in a log cabin then?

- Can you choose where you're born or where you live in the first year? - Are you like, why are you poor? - I didn't mean it like that. - Why are you poor, man? - Damn, why do you live in a forest? - You live in a log cabin? - Well, yeah, my mom had a log cabin like outside the city. Like owned. It was a house.

It's made out of logs. Like when you say log cabin, you just usually mean like a resort or something, but it's a house. - Right, right, right. - Okay, okay. - And you lived there growing up or? - Yeah. - And you had a good internet there? - No. That's why I'm like everything that I pretty much do in life to advance is because of trash taste.

I moved to the city to have better internet, to download your insane files, upgraded my PC, changed routers, everything. - Wow. Well, you're welcome, first of all. - Now you can game at fast speed. - That's true. - When did you realize you really liked editing? 'Cause you said you got into YouTube to do just content and shit, but now I feel like you're definitely just like, you are the only editor I know

- This is gonna sound bad. You're the only editor I know that actually enjoys the process of editing. As opposed to like, I like editing, but I hate 90% of it, but I like the final products and the fun parts of editing. But you genuinely seem to like every single aspect of editing. - What's your secret to liking editing? - I don't think there's a secret, but. - Well, apparently there is, 'cause a lot of YouTube editors are just like, oh God. - Well, I think, not to,

I put my own kind of thoughts. I think some people think that like editing is a way to get into YouTube sometimes. And it's kind of like- - Like they're in it for the wrong reasons? - Well, I think some people wanna be YouTubers and they think- - It means to an end. - Yeah, I think some people, it's a way to get their foot in the door. And sometimes it actually is. But I think sometimes that-

- Yeah, 'cause now YouTube is so mainstream, people know that you can make money from it, so they wanna do it. But editing is art. Why do people like drawing? Why do people like, I don't know, making video games? It's just creation. And for me, it's the same. It's not just editing. I like filming and stuff as well. I'm just the best at editing. So to me, it's just making art, I guess. - Okay, so it's just making content. - Shit, I don't know, my videos are art.

- Thanks, Moonon. - Trash Taste is a work of art, guys. Hated by Moonon. - Next to Mozart. All fucking, Connor in the fucking museum being like, "And this is my ninth crane reindeer." "My finest work, if I do say so myself." - "This is an excellent piece." "Territory of my previous work, but still art nonetheless."

- I was gonna say something I totally forgot. - The sake is just like hacked my mind already. - No, no, I prefer a beer. - I gotta ask, do you lose brain cells when you, this probably should, I don't know if I should say it. Do you lose brain cells when you edit our sponsored sex? - Sponsors don't watch the main episode. - Sponsors are very basic, I'd say.

I don't spend that much time on them. And like by now I already know like every everything. 'Cause in the beginning I would say sponsors are one of the hardest credits because those are actual job. Like you need to go through the document to see what has to be included, what not. - And you need to go through like 20 minutes of outtakes of us trying to say what. - I'm convinced and like,

the depths of my mind that Mudan has this file on his PC that is all of my like me cursing mid-sponsor ad reads. - Well, I used to have, then you were like, "Oh, Mudan, can we do Patreon bloopers?" I'm like, "Ah, damn, all right." I can't collect anymore. - Because sometimes I'll do this ad read and I'll get halfway through, I'm like, "Fuck, fuck, fuck." 'Cause I can't say the word or something.

- Like a mental breakdown. And only he's ever gonna see it. - Those are the good ones. - Those are the good ones, yeah. - I just see like a long pause in the waveform, and then one word in the middle and then long pause. I'm like, all right, what's happening there? - Sometimes that happens. I'll open a sponsor or something. I'll open a do something. I'm gonna record it. And I'm like, wait, I don't have the right stuff to do this. And I'll sit there looking on my PC for five minutes. And I realized that it's just like blank.

- It's just been rolling the whole time. - Which is me looking like this, what the fuck is that? - What the fuck is this? - Okay, moving on. Is it true you edit at four times speed? - I go through the videos mostly two times, depends on the videos. But yeah, like this podcast can be done four times the speed. Well actually no, physically- - You make it sound so easy but- - Well physically it can, 'cause four times the speed, like you lose audio in premiere for some reason. So right now I do at three.

- You're being held back by the machine. - Your brain's like, I can handle four, the computer's like, I cannot. - When I used to do a lot of my own audio editing for voiceover, I'd gotten to the point where I could recognize words from the waveform, 'cause I'd always say them the same,

- Oh, same here. - So I could recognize exactly where the words were. And I think you said something the same thing one time as well. You were like, you recognized- - Your fucks. - My fucks. I guess 'cause it's the same exact waveform, fuck. Let's see if you can see it in the edit. There was also something you said to me one time. You were like, even though we're friends, you were like, "I think I'm parasocial with you guys." - Yeah, it's so weird. 'Cause like I-

I get so much of your content. Like Connor, every single day, trash taste like a lot of times in the week. I watch more trash taste than normal viewer. So I go through multiple times. I've managed so much. I'm like, it's so hard. Cause I feel like I'm here or like,

I don't understand how this works. 'Cause we're technically friends. We talk like outside of like stuff. But also I feel like I know more about you and I can never like position myself there. 'Cause I know sometimes Joey's being like, "Oh yeah, we should like catch up. Like let's have a call." I'm like, "I know what you did." We don't need to talk. - I don't need it. I already know everything. I've already talked to you in my mind.

- You have nothing to say to me. - I'll be honest, I actually feel the exact same way when I see like these boys' content, when they're like doing something else. It feels weird. I don't know. Like I remember watching your video with Anthony Padilla and I'm just like,

- This was weird. - Yeah. - I'm like, I don't know. It was like super weird just seeing you go through like this interview and- - Yeah, I was watching that video and I was just like, I already know this. - Yeah, well, yeah. It's hard when I do interviews now 'cause I'm like how? 'Cause obviously the interviews appeal to my audience, right? But then it's also, you're trying to make it so that

Anthony or whoever's audience is also aware. But then in my head, I'm like, man, I just, it's impossible to give anything anymore to people who know me. So I already say everything. - I mean, that's what happens when we have what, like 100 hours of us just talking. - We're nearly at 200 episodes. Like I can't possibly do an interview that will be like interesting. - Yeah. - So like anyone who watched the Anthony Padilla, you're like, you just get in the rehash.

- Yeah. - You're just getting like the breakdown. - Pretty much. - Yeah. - And so, yeah, I guess, yeah. - But also sometimes I feel like, I don't know,

Maybe dirty is the wrong word, but it just feels wrong. - Because we know each other. - We know each other. And if there's a part of that video where you haven't mentioned to me, I'm like, I should have asked him about that. - I'd just be like, why did you hide this from us? - I don't think I hid anything. - I should know everything. - I think Murda knows literally everything about me. - I think Murda knows everything about us.

- Yeah, pretty much. - 'Cause I think, yeah, we have Trash Taste and then you have all of my main and second challenges. You know literally everything I do in my life. Everything. - That's not a thing that I feel like, I feel like the real thing is seeing the,

like the footage that goes in between like the highlights and everything that's cut. You see us at our best and our worst when we're fucking on and when we're off. - And I think that's the biggest thing where I realized that, you know, Mudan sees everything that we film on the specials that he chooses not to put in the video, which is a lot. There's a lot of footage out there. - There have been a lot of videos that I've filmed

And I have left that day being like, holy shit, I did awful. I was just not funny. I wasn't there. And then a moon on sends me the edit and I'm like, okay, it's okay. And then I had voiceover and I watch it and I'm like, huh?

- Maybe I am funny. - It seems like I had a lot of fun. But I just didn't really remember I didn't have fun doing this. To be real, like all your off moments are still pretty good. Like I've edited for some people, while literally doing it for content. And they're like, "Yeah, so we're gonna do this." And then when it cuts, it's like,

- Fuck, I hate this so much. Like literally 180 and I'm like, whoa, that's awful. - I think honestly that's shooting in Japan. 'Cause I think when the cameras turn off in Japan, especially if you're doing stuff on a location with other people, such as Japanese people, it's so bizarre 'cause there's always this level of like professionalism that you have to maintain. And I noticed that like, if I,

behave too differently to camera. And then when the camera cuts and the energy changes, I feel sometimes they get confused. They're like, they don't understand what I'm doing because they don't understand what I'm saying. So sometimes if I'm talking in English and my energy is totally different, I think sometimes people are like,

It's this weird vibe I got. And so I try to always like keep, when I go in there, I'm giving them the same energy throughout. I don't know why I subconsciously do this, but yeah, something I just kind of picked up doing. - I got a lot when like filming with Japanese people,

I get like a thing a lot where people like, wow, you're like exactly the same off camera. And I'm like, well, are you not? Like, what are you doing? That's like so different. Cause like I've had so many, I'm always not gonna name the shows, but like a few Japanese shows I went on, it was like, it was, as you said, it was like a full 180 with some people where it's like when they're on camera, they're just like the most like fucking guy theory ass, like most extravagant, like loud and like personality type thing. The moment, like someone's like, all right, cut. They're just like,

- Bring me my latte. You know, like it's like that level. - I wish we had someone to bring lattes. - Oh, that's called Uber Eats. - Yeah, the Uber Eats guy does do it. - Yeah, he does it. Comes in clutch. - That one guy definitely knows who we are. He's delivering our Uber Eats. Thank you for keeping it a secret. - But yeah, there's so many YouTubers who are like completely 180.

- Who even edited for? - See guys, we're real. We're real. - You should be more parasocial with us. - You'll be happy to know we're exactly the same on camera. - Be more parasocial. Everything you see on camera is us 100%. We are not bullshitting anything. - God damn. - I hate that you're true.

- I was like, I really want to have the window. - Yeah, the window, the window. - He's right. - He's a real one. - He's telling the truth. - Well, because I had this distinct thing and I had this, when I was doing like the Sebastian stuff, I had this fear that people would think I wasn't smart and I don't know why. I was scared that people would think I was dumb.

And so I would never ever try to say anything. It was even remotely fact checkable or anything like that. I would just keep it. And I would limit where I would appear. 'Cause I was like, man, I just don't wanna talk about me 'cause I know I'm fucking dumb. And if I talk and open my mouth and I rant for 10 minutes, I'm gonna say something stupid. - Wow, trust has really changed you. - Absolutely. And then after a while I was like, man, it's exhausting having to be careful about what I'm saying.

- Like keeping the act up, right? - Well, you kind of playing almost like a character. - Yeah, yeah. That's how we get the best clips. - What, me just saying dumb shit? No, I know that now. Like I know that like it's more entertaining when I'm just being me. - It's the whole reason why, you know, that's the secret to "Trash Tales." - Well, yeah, and then I realized, I was like, oh my God, I also enjoy being on camera more. I also enjoy making content more.

I think the videos are better off for it when I just embrace the fact that I'm sometimes just, I just do dumb stuff and I say dumb things. I think that's okay. - And I think that works for the show as well because like, you know, a lot of people will watch that and being like, you know, 'cause like that's something you would experience in your day to day life with your friends, right? Like, sure you'll have that like one super smart dude who's always right about everything. But most of the time people are dumb as fuck and they just make shit up and that's what's funny.

- Black paint, bro. It's just heavier. - It's just black paint. - Until you start talking about physics and stuff, then it's... - My favorite is the politics, not politics, the philosophy. - I just completely got the person wrong. - He invented philosophy. - Socrates invented philosophy. - That was my favorite. - My favorite one is the- - Not my proudest moment. - I said that Pokemon was the most Googled thing in 996 or something. - Oh yeah. - And it was just Google wasn't made enough.

- It was 2000 actually. - Oh my God, yeah. I just want a montage of like trash taste explain stuff really fucking badly. Like me explaining the logarithmic scale or whatever. - Oh my God, that was the one. - I said, have you ever been in a video that any of us have done where you thought what a fucking dumb idea when you like got the video and then you edited it and it turned out like, huh? - You can be honest.

- I mean, there's so many, there's so many. - I can say it out loud now, finally. - Yeah, finally. - I don't think there has been. - Really? - You just do like normal stuff.

- If it's like very basic, it can still be edited to be a good video. 'Cause like the base content around it is pretty decent. So like even if you do like the most basic things in Japan, it's like fine. - Yeah, yeah. - What about the dick museum? - Oh, that was great. - That was fun. I wish I could have used more of that on YouTube. - It's kind of shit though. 'Cause like, yeah. Oh, everything needs to be censored. Actually we can't show anything. - I sent him a message being like, so yeah, I went to this thing and I really want to include it in the YouTube video, but you need to mosaic everything but me.

Like one third of the video was just dicks everywhere on screen all the time. - It's all dicks. - And then I cut it out initially, like Danny did. And then he was like, no, can you have some of it in the video? - I was like, you gotta include some of it, she's wild. - And then to actually show it, it was just him and Cajo's face unblurred, everything else was censored. Literally the entire frame. - Well, that's like me when I went hentai shopping. It was like, I got to one floor and I'm just like, "Mudan, you have to censor fucking everything." - Why even do this?

- I think it's fun to see the sheer amount of shit that needs to be blurred. It kind of gives you a good perspective of like, oh wow, there is just dicks everywhere. - Exactly. - What do you think of the modern TikTok style editing or like, you know, the very fast paced, very like, you would literally need to grab your attention every microsecond. - I like it, but I don't like shorts.

- Okay, why is that? - Okay, so I like the Mr. Beast, the new Mr. Beast style editing where he actually tells a story. He hits the emotional beats, not just like, oh, TikTok after TikTok in 10 minute compilation. But I don't like shorts themselves that are like 60 seconds 'cause they're just annoying to edit a bit, I guess. Okay, specific shorts are fine.

Like Connor films a specific video just for shorts. That's great, 'cause that's like a 60 second video, like specifically made for it, that's fine. But if it's like a highlights video that needs to be compiled to a short, that's like- - That's what I make you do. But it's so bizarre 'cause sometimes I don't understand what people wanna watch and why YouTube pushes so. - People don't understand what they wanna watch. - I still disagree with shorts being a thing.

- I disagree with shorts being a thing. 'Cause like you can get views from shorts. You can, will get subscribers. But you will not get, it will not translate into long-term like views. - It doesn't translate to an audience. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I mean, the discussion is up in the air right now. I'm like on the fence about it. But I think like if you wanna make your shorts successful, you need to make it with making shorts in mind. You can't, it's never like,

I know there's like a million fucking podcast clip that gets like repackaged to shorts, but I don't think- - Do you mean Trash Taste? - You know what we're missing? Fucking Subway Surfer at the bottom. - I find it from my personal experience, 'cause I get recommended Trash Taste clips all the time. Obviously I'm looking at it all the time. I find it way easier to watch the shorts than the clips.

- Yeah. - I will admit that. I think it's just a better format for short form clips. - Well, that's why every podcast now is doing shorts, right? 'Cause I think they just figured that out. - It's an easier way of digesting podcasts. - I guess it's like some sort of a banner marketing. 'Cause like when you have like these banners pop up on YouTube, it doesn't want you actually click on it. It just wants you to recognize the name, like Coca-Cola. You're not gonna click on it. You're gonna be like, "Oh, Coca-Cola. Maybe I'll have it later." And that's the same with shorts. It'll be like, "Oh, I've seen him a couple of times."

- Yeah, that's what I think. Yeah, that's what I think. It's more about just, I think that like getting your- - Just getting eyes on it. - Well, yeah, because then people are gonna keep, if they keep seeing you as a creator or something, that's the most important thing because a lot of the time they just need to recognize that you're someone that, oh, maybe I should watch this guy. - Yeah, they'll be like, who's this guy? - Yeah, I keep seeing this guy everywhere. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. - 'Cause you know, a lot of the times, a lot of YouTubers rely on sponsors and sponsors want people or influencers

with recognizable faces or brands, right? And so having that kind of awareness just, it's not necessarily about does the view translate to revenue or growth in any capacity? It's more like, okay, you just need to become more, your face needs to be out there more. - Right. - Yeah, I don't know. - It's a weird, weird, weird age we're in. - It's a weird world now where, you know, it's,

becoming more and more like, I guess, old media and old like just marketing tactics, you know? That's pretty much just brand recognition. Just getting your face out there as much as possible. - Get the kids smoking Camel and Marlboro cigarettes. - We're bringing back the asbestos cigarettes, guys.

- Turns out it's actually good for you. - I should do a short where I just try every cigarette and just see if they actually taste different. - Is it true that- - Not sponsored, but sponsored by the Marlboro company. - Is it true that Coke actually used to have cocaine in it? - Yeah, yeah. - Is that what I'm imagining? - Yeah, no, it used to have cocaine in it. - Dude, I wish I could be boring. - No, we had in the, I think it was the '50s or '60s, I don't know which day it was, with the asbestos thing. That was after Coke, it was in Coke. We thought to put asbestos in cigarettes.

- Because Coke was a normal thing back in the day. Like people would have it like, oh, you're like sick? Yeah, have some cocaine. - It was like an ointment. - Yeah. And then people would get like addicted to it. - We were born in the wrong era. - You act like that- - Are you telling me I could get Coke illegally? - That was a joke. - Are you telling me I could get Coke on the cheap? - Okay, well, true, true. First of all, must've been lit in the 20s.

Second of all, it's not that hard to believe, 'cause I mean, look what's happened in America with the opioid crisis right now. It's obvious that we haven't learned any lessons that we're still gonna prescribe and give out stuff regardless of what effect. We have the evidence now to know that it would cause this and we still did it.

- Why? I don't fucking know. - Because people will continue to do it. - Well, Big Pharma money. Big Pharma money is powerful in America. - This is like- - Real shit. - Let's turn it to Joe Rogan. - The frogs are gay. - No, no, Joe Rogan wouldn't be talking about Big Pharma. He's talking about which drug would taste best anally or something. You know what I mean?

- I feel like this is the first conversation people have before like you fast forward 10 years and like you're flat earthers now. - This is the conversation that starts, it's like, you can't trust any media. - Oh dude, actually, dude, I have the whole- - I will fact check everything. - I'm gonna tell a story 'cause there's no shot this guy listens to this podcast and he'll never find out who this is.

I go to this gym a lot and there's a coffee shop that I like to go to all the time on the way back. And I go there and I've seen this guy who looks like 50 or 60 years old. I've seen him there maybe six or seven times now when I go in the morning, only in the early morning. And I've never spoken to him. And so this time he came up to me and he spoke to me and he goes, "Hey man, you live in Japan?" I was like, "Yeah, man, I live not too far from here."

And he's like, oh, cool, cool. Where are you from? I was like, I'm from Wales. He's like, Wales, nice place. I used to live in China, but I live in Japan now. I was like, oh, cool, cool. I was like, where are you from? It was California. I was like, oh, I go to California all the time. I like it. It's great. He's like, well, it's not as good as it used to be. And I was like, oh, okay. What do you mean by that? And he's like, well, you know, the liberals kind of took over and changed it. I was like,

And I was like, yeah, yeah, okay. - That's the moment where your brain just instantly shots off. - I was like, do, do, do, do. And I was like, okay, well, okay, sure, man. Well, yeah, well, I mean, he's like, yeah, well, I used to live in China, but you know, the experiments with the bats and all that, I just didn't wanna be there anymore. And I was like, okay, that's fine, that's fine. And he's like, and then he, I don't know how he seemed, it wasn't even prompted, he just goes,

Oh, yeah, you know, I just think that the president right now... By the way, I voted for Obama. He said that. It's a way to like...

And bear in mind this whole time, I've just been nodding. - It's like the equivalent of, I have a black friend by the way. - And he's like, I just think right now, I just think that Trump will get it done. And I was like, okay, that's fine. And like, I don't fucking care what your political leaning is. Just don't do this to people. Why are you opening up with this? - Especially when it's unprompted. - Yeah, I didn't ask. I didn't ask. I don't care. I do not care. I did not ask. I'm literally just praying that my coffee will be ready in a moment so I can leave. And of course, when I get my coffee, he won't let me leave. He's just talking to me.

I was like, man, I- - So who'd you vote for? - I just tried to stop him and be like, yeah, he goes on about Brexit and stuff. And I was like, oh, he's hitting all the greatest hits. I'm like, leave me alone. I wanna go. - Yeah. - But why do they bring this up again? - I just wanted to tell a story. - Yeah, I think this was just 'cause I met like a crazy person. Not a crazy person, but one of those people. I guess, wait, what the fuck were we saying before this? - We were talking about health benefits. - No, that's way far back. - No, we're talking about like old media coming back.

- No, no, no, no, no, no. We were talking about- - The dementia risk is kicking in. - Can I take a piss? - Sure. - While I try and figure out what the fuck we were talking about. - We were talking about fuck. - Why did I bring this up? I had a good reason. - We were talking about shorts and then we were talking about fuck, Mudan, bring up the footage. - Mudan, bring it up. - Oh shit, he's over there.

There was a reason why. - Flat earthers. - That's it, flat earthers. Dude, it's like you will just come across people no matter where you are in the world and they will seem totally chill and you let them talk to you for five minutes and you'll just realize the only thing that's changed is that people who we used to consider like kind of out there are so good at being normal and just waiting for the opportunity to say this.

They're good at just waiting. - Oh my God. - Like they know, okay, I don't refer to them as crazy people. I don't, 'cause I don't think that's unfair and that's not, that doesn't help situation when you call them crazy. But like people with alternative beliefs are very good now at knowing and they try to suss out people who they think will like not reciprocate. And I think, because I think I attract these people.

'Cause every Uber ride, I will never stop them from talking. 'Cause I just, I'm so fascinated to hear. I love hearing what they say. - Every time I get in an Uber with you, I've never seen the Uber driver be that chatty. - Well, 'cause I'll prompt them. - And they're not talking to me 'cause I got my headphones on. - Well, 'cause I prompt them. Like we had that guy in Florida one time. - I was about to say the Florida guy. - It was this- - Of course it was a Florida guy. - Yeah, it was. - But it was a Ukrainian guy.

who was in Florida, I was saying how I attract, I can suss out when people are gonna say these weird stuff and I always let them talk 'cause I always wanna hear what they're gonna say. Because I think that like to understand how these people work, I need to like understand like where they're coming from. And so I'm always just kind of like, yeah, maybe you're right. I just say stuff like that and then just kind of prod them and keep telling them. And this guy in Florida who's- - He was insane. - Yeah.

- He'd been watching a lot of news. He'd been having strong opinions about Trump. - Watching a lot of Fox. - Yeah, a lot of Fox opinions. Very interesting. Very interesting. - I mean, sometimes you talk to someone and like, have you ever had a point where you've talked to someone

and it's kind of like you hear a line and you're like- - Oh yeah, I know immediately. - And you're like, "You definitely heard this from a podcast or something." - You've definitely been on Reddit a bit too long. - Well, it's because they generally, people with these types of beliefs will say one line that is very noncommittal to their opinion and they'll see how you react to it.

But it's so easy to suss out when they're doing this. - Like I voted for Obama by the way. - Well, like when he said like, California is not as good as it used to be. That's just such a like subtle way of like trying to suss out why you stand on it. - That's when you hear the Vsauce music. - He's about to go off about something. - I'll be like, oh man, how so? And then he'll say this crazy thing. Oh, I guess it's actually crazy. To me, I mean, some of it is just insane. Sometimes they'll say something and I'm like,

"Man, yeah, I guess I got something to think about." I'm gonna go home like, "Fuck, never talking to that guy again. "Jesus Christ." - Yeah, I think I had the exact same moment at a party I was at when I was in America, in the Midwest, by the way. - Oh, bro. - Oh, of course. Yeah, so I was at this random party

I was at this random party that had a bunch of like, you know when you're at a party and you get invited because a guy knows a guy and you're invited there but you don't really know anyone there. - My least favorite kind of parties. - So I was there because some of Sydney's brothers old friends were there, but it was kind of like a fucking massive party. So they didn't know everyone there.

So I was just kind of like sussing out the vibe of some people. And the thing about America I've noticed is that you go to a party and sometimes you do not know what kind of like the vibe or the people you're surrounded with are gonna be like, you know? And so, you know, you,

I was talking to this random guy and I can't remember, we got on the topic of like relationships just 'cause I mentioned I was married and stuff like that. And he's like, "Oh, how's that going? "Are you happily married?" I'm like, "Yeah." And I just asked, "Are you like in a relationship "or anything like that?" And he's like, "No, no, I'm saving myself." And so I was like, "Oh, so I assumed it must be like a religious thing." - Right. - Right? - Right. - And then,

I was like, this was the line where he was like, "No, I've been waiting for a virgin because I think that's- - Was he an idol fan? - No, no, I think that just virgins are the way to go. I think once you lose your virginity, the woman just become lower value. And I'm like, this is,

- This is a fucking Andrew Tate listener. It was the first- - How do you respond to that? - How do I respond? I was like, oh, cool. Good luck. - This is the exact kind of person I'd love to talk to. I would love to be like, just tell me more about it. What do you think about that? Some people might say that that's a bigoted way of looking at it. What do you think about that? - 'Cause like, talking to the guy, he's exactly the type of guy, he was like,

as much of like a typical frat boy as you could like imagine, like that kind of like image. It was just the first time that I'd so obviously met someone who had been influenced by let's say the podcasting era of things where you hear verbatim a line that you've heard on some random TikTok that has been recommended for you. - You know, 'cause a lot of these guys are just,

- They're just like, "Hey, my life's not going the way I wanted it to. This guy just told me that it's all women fault. And then I guess that's how we're going to live my life and believe that." - That's just my belief now. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - What's it like in Estonia? Is it fun in Estonia making friends, talking to people, crazy people? - We don't talk to anybody. - It's like the North or you go up there, the less people talk to you. - Yeah. - Like if you're in America, people talk to you on the bus in like Northern Europe, you'll get shanked.

- It's like, "Hi there." - Don't talk to random people. It's weird. They'll instantly think you're crazy or something. - Yeah, that does happen. And I think that's a very British as well. Do not just approach people in public. That is just a big no-no. - Yeah, for sure. - Do you think the average Trash Taste listener, instead of quoting some very opinionated political opinion, just starts quoting shitty food takes? Is that how you tell a Trash Taste viewer? - 100%, it happens.

- They'll just be at a party and they'll be like, actually I hate crossing all pizza by the way. - And they'll be like, oh God, which podcast did you hear that from?

- I've been to AX, people randomly come up like, "Oh, hey, Maudan." They just randomly start talking about the food takes. - Wait, what do they say to you? - Oh, no, I like, "Oh, I like boneless chicken," or I like bone-in, stuff like that. - It's like, "I didn't ask." - Yeah. All right, that's great for you. - Sick, bro. - Oh, you don't like bread as well? All right, sick. - You only eat bread and pasta and rice. - Yeah. - Well, I don't care. I eat everything.

- You just said you just eat rice and just pasta. - No, that was like fucking seven years ago. - What are you now? - Everything. - What's your favorite? - Cyanide.

- I wish. - No, I guess I've become more like you where it's like Uber Eats is cheaper to be more productive. It's like making food, the amount it takes, like you go to the store, you buy it, then you make it. - See, I'm not lazy. - Well, Japan is so cheap. No wonder you fucking get everything. - I try to tell people this, dude. When you Uber Eats in America, right, it's ridiculous. You will order a lunch, it'll be like $15. By the time you get it, you've paid $35 somehow. - Yeah, yeah.

- Fucking shipping here, 50 cents to have like Uber Eats here. - Yeah, and then often the restaurants don't mark up. So a lot of the times you'll just pay the normal amount. I have no idea who's making money. Someone's losing money in this thing. - The overall food here is like half the price as in Europe pretty much. - Yeah, most of my Uber Eats meals come to around $10, which is what I would pay if I went out and just like got it anyway. - Exactly. - So for me, it's like,

I mean, it sounds lazy and it absolutely is, but I love it. And the fact that I can pay $10 and get a meal delivered to my door that it's good and healthy and great quality is like, this is fucked. The UK could never. The UK absolutely could never. - I mean, most countries could never. - Yeah, it's fair.

- I'm very lazy. - Yes. And I mean, Japan's always been cheaper to eat out anyway, you know? - Yeah. - You know that image of like the soldiers holding up the world and there's like a mom and a kid. There's literally the Uber Eats delivery drivers in Japan. They're holding up Japan right now. They're holding up this economy. - Dead ass. - No, it's like them and like, I heard there's like a shortage of like Japanese bus drivers or something now. I don't know if this is true. - Yeah, there's a route in Chiba that used to run 60 times a day and now it's down to seven. - You have buses?

- Yeah, we have lots of them. - But there's also like also taxi drivers in Kyoto have gone down, I think 25% this year and they need more. - Damn. - So yeah, but they've started hiring, some taxi firms starting hiring foreign taxi drivers. - Oh really? - Yeah.

- I'm just gonna say it, all right? I don't think that this quality of Japanese tax driver is that good that only Japanese tax drivers can do the job. - Oh, of course not. - It's not like in London where they're trained to like, they have to learn every single street. In Japan, you're like, "Hey, can I go here?" And he's like, "What is Tokyo Station?" - Well, half the time they're just like, "Oh, okay, I don't know where that is, I'm gonna use the GPS." - All of them use the GPS and also I would prefer them to use the GPS 'cause a lot of the times when they, I think 50, I don't know, not 50%,

Like there's a good chance if they go by memory that they fuck it up. - Oh yeah. - So I'm just like, can you, I always ask them to use the GPS. 'Cause I'm like, just please, please go here. - Yeah, I always just tell them put in this address. - Yeah, so I feel like there's no need for them to be gay keep you about it. Just let the, let the, let the.

- Let Steve from Wisconsin drive the cabs. I'll do it. - What's been your favorite thing about Japan so far? - Favorite thing here? - Yeah. Like how's your experience been here? This is your first time. - Damn, I'm not sure. - I mean, you only know about it from trash taste apparently. - Pretty much. I was not expecting the weather to be this hot, but other than that, you really oversold the convenience.

Like for the first four days, I was so disappointed in convenience. - Why? - I don't know. I was expecting something like magical. - What the fuck are you talking about? - Like doing everything. - They do do everything. Name one thing they don't do. - Gluten free food.

- Oh, come on. What do you want them to do? It's Japan. - That's just like a country. - No, no, I'm coming around to them. Like now I started to like them again. I feel like you just hyped them up so much. - They are so good. - Well, how are the convenience stores in Estonia? - I don't know. It feels the same. Like, oh, you go to cash station, you get like fresh food that's like hot and you have everything you need. Just 24/7. - We don't have this in any of our countries. In Thailand maybe. - Oh yeah, okay.

- What the fuck is a Circle K? - I know Circle K, but we don't have it.

- It's getting better in our countries, I think. But UK is definitely getting better. - Yeah, the food quality in the UK is definitely going up. - Oh my God, from when I was a kid, it's gone up so much. - It's so weird now, every time I go back to the UK and I'm like, I'm excited to go to restaurants and eat. And before I was just like, my God, every Google review is just lying to me. - Greg's, Greg's, Greg's. - Oh, Greg's is good. Did you have Greg's in the UK? - Never. - You have a meal deal there, right?

- You had a meal deal from Tesco. - Have I? - Yeah, you told me you had one. - Did I? I maybe lied. - What the fuck? - I maybe lied. - I have no idea what you're talking about. - You get the sandwich and you get a bag of crisps and you get a drink from Tesco. - Oh, then no. - Maybe you talked to somebody else. - No, you said you did. You looked me in the eye and you're like, "No, I did not." - We're gonna have the window off. Correction, what is it, John? - I have no idea what you're talking about. I don't think I've had a Tesco's meal deal.

- All right, next time we're in the UK, have you at least had a Nando's, right? - Yeah. - Yeah, he was there. - You were there when he had Nando's. - God damn it. The dimension is really kicking in. - No, no, we've had Nando's. I'm pretty sure we have. - Yeah, we had it. - Yeah. - Not this year. - Yeah, we did.

- Not this year. - Yes, we did. - I can't remember this year. - I distinctly remember because we went to the restaurant and you said, "Wow, are the chicken thighs really that calorific?" - No, no, no, two of us. Like with Amy-Lynn Dieters, not with Garnt. - Oh, yeah. - I was like, "Are you gaslighting me? We were there." - No, I'm being ghastly. I'm like, "Wait, I haven't had

- Okay, here's the problem. I've had Nando's so many times in my last trip to the UK that I literally can't remember everyone I've been to Nando's with. - Every second meal was a Nando's. - It's fucked up that the spicier the sauce, the more calories it has. I feel like this fucked up. - Is that true? - Yeah. - What? - The Nando's, the more spicy the sauce, the more calories it has. - Oh, Nando's. - I don't know why. Maybe 'cause they have to compensate to make more flavor.

- Is chilies that much calories? - No, but I think they're adding other stuff to like help. 'Cause obviously- - Like thickeners? - Yeah, I think that normal hot sauce is just too like one noted. So you have to add a lot of other stuff. - I mean, the super spicy like sauce is kind of the consistency of Elmer's glue. - It's goaded, I love that shit. - It's pretty insane. - Fuck, I miss Nando's already. - Discus as fuck. - How do you feel Nando's compared to Australian Nando's? Have you been to Australian Nando's? - Yeah, once. And then it went out of business 'cause it was shit. - I heard the same thing happened in Canada as well. - Yeah. - Okay, sorry, what's the,

- Your favorite thing in Japan so far? You didn't answer. - Not the con. - You said the con being weren't your favorite thing. It's fine, you're dead to me, but it's fine. - No, I said I'm coming around to them. I like them now. - Okay, what's the one thing that actually lived up to the hype in Japan? Is there anything? - The aesthetic, like everything. I would say just coming to Japan, everything is as like anime or aesthetic as you expect. - It's like the vibe, right? - It is, the vibe is correct. - The vibe is correct. - This is the vibe check.

'Cause I was here, I was like, yeah, I could see myself living here. It's like really nice. Like the weather is nice, the people are nice. You think there'd be like, oh no, Gaijin, no, no, no. But everybody's been like really nice, even if they can't speak, they like try and like, I haven't been rejected once.

It's really cool. - Well, you haven't, I don't think you've been to like the old like mom and pop shops. - Oh, okay. - Those are usually the places where they're just like, oh, no foreigners. But like a standard restaurant now it's like, they're not gonna deny you just 'cause you're a foreigner nowadays. - Pete took me out for like a premiere too, for like a night out at bars and all the bars were just so great. - Yeah, the bars are fantastic. - The bars are the one thing that do not disappoint in Japan. - Yeah, yeah. It was literally like everything you'd expect. - Yeah, totally.

- Yeah, honestly, like every time I go to a bar in Japan, it makes the rest of the world just feel so much more disappointing in terms of like the vibe. - It's always a good note. - It's just crazy though, the quality, the cost, the pay. Like, yeah, fuck. - And just like the amount of choice there is. - Is the guys just goaded bro? And bars just like.

- That's great. - Little snacks they give you. I love little snacks. - Yeah, hell yeah. - You know, like, you know, obviously I have to like, as a British, I have to say, of course we have like comparing Wetherspoons to some of the shit we have here. - Oh, the fucking pubs with the boys. - Oh, got the fucking pubs, let's go. But yeah.

Japanese bars are absolutely fucking goaded. - I do like pubs though, but they feel different in my mind. - Yeah, I put them in two different categories. - The bars in Japan is where I go to like, I'm like, man, let's just like deep talk. I'll have the counter, the music, the nice cocktails with the guy. The guy spends like 15 hours making it. And he puts like the ice cubes that have been like finally crafted with the Damascus steel blade and the ice from Hokkaido for some reason. And you're like, okay, cool.

He's like, "It's a gin tonic." - It's also $15. - But he spent $15, mate. No, it's like, no, actually, no. It's like, they're like 10 bucks. - Like 10 bucks. - Yeah, 10 bucks. - I think so. Yeah, I think it was. - Yeah, roughly. Unless it's like a high-end bar, but. - You're talking about European prices. - Dude, European cocktail prices are next level. - Yeah. - You think America's expensive. European cocktails are like 15 pounds for a cocktail, which is like $20.

- You treated me out to like cocktails and were like, oh, when you come to Estonia, I'll pay you back. But it's like three times as much to pay you in Estonia. - Well, I told him, I was like, he wasn't gonna pay it. I was like, no, no, I'm paying. And then I was like, just pay for me when I come to Estonia. And he was like, no, no, Estonia's more expensive. I was like, ah, well, the yen's really weak right now, so.

- Do you know the biggest discrepancy I've noticed between, you know the meme which is just like thing, thing in Japan. - Yeah. - It's like, get recommended like any like TikTok or YouTube show where it's just like a very, very expensive product from a very specialist guy that's been honing their craft

And if it's like a Western person doing it, half the comments are like, "It's fucking expensive." What the fuck would I, who cares if it's handmade or not? - Tanaka Yoshimi spent 60 years crafting this table and all the comments are just like, "Oh my God, that's dedication, bro." - "He's such a master to the craft, oh dedication." - "Thank you, sensei." - I remember I saw this like, I remember I saw this show about, I think it was like a Japanese craftsman who had made like,

the calligraphy brushes and he like makes it by hand. - Oh yes, I've seen that. - And I'm like, it was ridiculously expensive. And he goes like basically- - He puts in the individual- - Hair by hair. And I'm just like, I mean,

- I get it, but it's a bit much, isn't it? - I mean, I admire the dedication, but would I pay a grand for it? - Yeah, yeah. - Not sure. - You know when you're young and you just like drink anything just because it serves the purpose of getting you drunk and the most important thing was how efficiently, how cost-effective could you get drunk? - The vodka Red Bulls? - The vodka Red Bulls, oh man.

- You should eat the one chip. Okay, no, don't do this. - I will die. - No, you would actually, they removed it for health concerns. - Yeah, 'cause somebody died. - We still have it. Yeah, look, we have it for some reason. - Like a kid died. - Someone died from, it was fucked. I had it and I can handle spice, but it was fucked. - No, I had two of my editors who are like help with a stream, eat it, both of them puked and their day was ruined. - Oh, my day was ruined after it too. It was very painful. - Yeah, okay. - But I guess my stomach's used to it now.

- I had to- - Is someone used to it now? - I think so, yeah. - Does it want to be used to it? - Maybe not, I don't know. I had a bunch of hot sauces that expired today, this morning, so I had to pour them all out 'cause I had to clean the bottles to recycle the bottles. And so I was getting rid of all the hot sauce and it made the air spicy 'cause I was emptying all the bottles and I was breathing and it was making my throat itch. - Oh shit. - Everywhere in my house, it was fucked. - God damn. - So be careful.

- That's it, fun story. - I think my mom, I went back home this time and every time I go home now, I've noticed my mom makes like, there was a point in my childhood where

I was in awe at how spicy my mom could eat like spicy food. And then I got to a point where I started liking spicy foods and I think I've progressively liked more and more spicy food as I go older. So every time I come home now, I've noticed she always makes it a little bit more spicy. Just a little bit more spicy, like limit testing me. And same thing with Sydney. And every time she feeds us food now, every time we like just cough a little bit, she's like, "That's too spicy."

- It's a little bit too spicy. - Sometimes it hits your throat the wrong way. It could be fine, but you just, you know what I mean? Like, come on. - Totally. - Yeah. - The hot ones ruin me.

- You did the hot ones one time, right? - Yeah, 'cause I used to have like, take just normal Tabasco sauce and that was my limit. But then I did hot ones, well, I cried a couple of times. But afterwards, Tabasco is just so simple. - Yeah, yeah, Tabasco is just a little like, ooh. - Yeah, I used to think the same. Like when I used to handle like no spice, I was like, oh, Tabasco is too spicy. But then I had like several levels above and now I fucking love Tabasco and everything. - What level did you get when you got Nando's? That's like- - Medium or high? - You got herb.

- No, the sauce. - You got garlic and herb. - The sauce I put later on. That was- - Oh, oh, oh, yeah, later on, but you chose garlic and herb initially. - Yeah. - I remember 'cause I was disappointed in you. - But I put sauce on later on. - No, I'm kidding, I'm kidding. I'm just fucking with you. - Oh yeah, yeah, 'cause you can't handle spicy food. I remember now. - Yeah, you can't handle spicy food at all. I remember we went to Chipotle in America

- And you were like, how can you eat this? I was like, it has jalapenos in it. - Not just because of that, they also gave you like a kilogram. The burrito was one kilo. It's like what I eat in two days. That's messed up. - It's like 1500 calories. - You cannot fit it in your mouth. You literally can't. - Well, yeah, you bite edges, you're a bomb, bomb, bomb. - This is the true test to see if you have truly become parasocial listening to too much Trash Taste. What's your opinion of America?

- When you went for LA or like a few times now, right? - I have to preface, I've only been to LA, downtown LA to be specific. - That's the only place in America you've been, right? - Yes, two times by now. - Okay. - It's bad. - Obviously downtown LA is bad. - Yeah. - I think even everyone in LA will be like, downtown is awful. - Yeah, a third world country, yeah. - Oh my God.

- I mean, that's fair enough. - We don't cut that. - Don't cut that movie, leave it in.

- But yeah, 'cause you've been to like, you normally go for AX every year, right? - Yeah, I try to. - 'Cause I can't remember, what was the first AX you went to? 'Cause that was definitely before you started working for us. - Yeah, it was- - It must've been, yeah, it was definitely before COVID, right? - 2018, I think, or 2019. - Something like that. - That's where I met you and Sydney for the first time. - Was it the one where you helped Connor film a video or something like that? - Yeah, where he went to a date with a fan.

- Oh yeah, that's really weird now. - Yeah, I did do that. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, you did do that. - Yeah, 'cause a fan asked to have a date. It wasn't really a date, it was just a film. But yeah, a fan asked to have a date and I thought, "Well, fuck it, let's see how it goes then." - Can I record it then? - Yeah, it wasn't like a real date, but it was fun. It was a funny video. I remember that, yeah, 'cause we stayed at my previous editor's house and it was rough. - What's your favorite country you have visited then? - Ooh, that's hard. I would say maybe Amsterdam.

'Cause that's really nice. Like that whole city is so walkable.

- Well, yeah, the entire place is pretty nice. - Yeah. - What do you mean? - I asked country. - You said country, fuck. - Is Estonia not walkable? - No, it is walkable. But it's like when I went from LA to Amsterdam, it was such a huge difference. Like we would walk for like an hour on foot and it was like nothing. It was like, oh, that's so nice. - You just described walkable cities. - There's no homeless people fighting area up there.

Nobody threatening women with guns. - Yeah, there's a reason why LA is not a walkable city. - No, even out of Europe, I would say it's one of the better ones maybe. Like if you're not in the very center, 'cause I've been to most of them. Like I don't see what the hate about Paris is. I like Paris. - Really? - Really? - Well, I've lived in Paris. - Wait, you went to Paris? - Why did you live in Paris? - I worked there for like two summers. - Doing what? - Disneyland.

- Oh yeah, you did tell me this. - Oh yeah. - Fucking Disneyland. - You worked at Disneyland in Paris and you ended up not hating the city? - No, 'cause I- - I'm very surprised. - 'Cause I lived in a ghetto, like outside of, on the outskirts of Paris. And Disneyland is like even further out. It's like- - It's very far out of Paris. - It's like Paris, but it's like Canada to Tokyo. - Oh. - Or maybe Narita. - Narita, yeah, yeah, yeah. So like Disneyland is fun.

Paris itself, 'cause if you go as a tourist, it can be cool. Also, I knew how to speak French. So I went everywhere- - Can you still speak French? - I can like enough. - Oh wow. - But not perfectly. - Okay. - So like I went to everywhere, like trying to speak French, but if you start out in English, then you're not gonna have a good time. - Yeah, I think that's a big difference. - Just gotta show that you're not English. That's the first step.

If they get through that, then you're like- - I think that's pretty why I didn't like it as much. I'm like, "Man, everyone fucking sucks here." - Yeah, I mean, that is the big Paris hack. If you even speak a little bit of English- - Yeah, you've had a crazy life, huh? Paris?

And then obviously before you did your editing, you did soft core pawns in the chess piece, obviously. - This is my favorite story you've ever told me. You have to tell Garnt this story. - We're far off in the episode now where it's fine.

- Yeah, so at the beginning I was picking up every job like that I could, 'cause it was so hard to do anything as an editor. Like I would say I'm like the second wave of editors where pretty much editing for YouTubers didn't exist back then. So it was like really hard to find one. And I was using this site called Upwork, which was like a decent back then, but now it's really shit 'cause you have to pay for every review you send in. Back then I used to send in like 60 reviews every single day or something like that.

And one of the jobs I got was like, "Oh, do you wanna edit vlogs?" And I'm like, "All right, cool." And I started editing it. I'm like, "Yeah, that's a bit, this is a bit weird." And I guess I edited it well enough that he was like, "Well, do you want to do more stuff?" And I was like, "Okay." - What was this initial vlog? What was- - Fuck, I can't remember. It was something about pleasuring women. So I was like, I was kind of picking up like, all right,

- There was a guy talking about it? - Yeah, like how to pleasure women or something like that. But I think there was a bit more of logish type thing. - Hey guys, I'm gonna pleasure a woman. - Follow my ways to pleasure women. - Like what the fuck? - Yeah, so then he was like, okay, do you wanna edit more? Like more raunchier stuff? I'm like, all right, sure. - Whatever pays the bills, man. - Yeah, exactly.

And yeah, just soft core porn, innit? - What is soft core porn? What does it involve? - Like no penetration. - Like kissing? - Well, he had a niche. Of course you have a niche, which is a yoni massage, which is a pussy massage.

So he would be like expertise. - Cats, right? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Cat massage, yeah. - It would be him doing it for around two to three hours. - What? - Okay, two, it would go up to five, I think. - No! - And actually it was a nice precursor to "Trash Taste" 'cause- - What?

- Now there are three pussies on the screen. - He had like four to five cameras set up. And Garnt, you say you're a perfectionist, but he was an actual perfectionist. It would be like two to three hour video, like end result, where it had to be like the cuts had to be frame perfect.

If it would be like one frame off, it would be like on me. Like I had to change it. - Right. - And every Friday we were getting calls that would last like four to six hours of just trying, going through the edits. Like, oh, the intro that's like not that good. Or you have to change that, that little part. And every single cut has to be framed perfect. There's like, when I started, it was like,

of information how to cut it. Like in the beginning it would be like YouTubers do now, which would be like fast paced, like intro. That was like seven years ago at this point. And then it would be like a music video section of like getting into it, undressing, like some stuff. And then it would be like slowly getting into the main section of like actually doing it, which was,

There's also rules behind it. Like in the beginning it would be cuts like every 10 seconds. If you're like half an hour in, it could be like up to 30 seconds a cut. It can't be over 30 seconds. And the cut has to be at the apex of the movement. - The apex of the movement. Why is he talking like a movie director? - It was actually that intense. - Jesus. - But yeah, it lasted for like two years. - Did it pay well? - Okay.

And then he was like, "Okay, you know, I'm paying you too much. I'm gonna replace you with two cheap people instead." - That's when we gave you the call for trash taste, right? - No. - Okay. - So I used to, like, I like to go back and like check on like previous employers, like how they're doing. For the next year, he posted nothing and then approached me and was like, "All right, I'm gonna offer you double the price you paid."

- I guess those two editors weren't that good. - And I'm like- - Was he making a lot of money from this? - Well, I assume so. - Wow. - 'Cause it's porn. - I don't know how much money's in it. - I was like, no, I want to be paid three times as much. 'Cause I'm like, no. And he was like, no. And I was like, yeah. And he was like, okay. - And then you went back, you got back in it? - Yeah.

- How many years ago was this? - Originally like five years ago, I did it for two years. Then it was like a break of one year and then for another two years. And it was even more intense 'cause at the end I gave up. I was like, okay, I can't do it. I'm quitting. 'Cause it was so intense. Like the work sessions were so huge. It was literally like 20 hours a week. That was half, that was a part-time job next to like six YouTubers who I also edited for. - Wait, were you doing this while you were editing for me? - Yeah.

- Wow. - Wow. - And I think, yeah, when I quit, I gave him like my two months notice, which I figured out, I found out you don't have to give a two months notice. - Yeah, you can just leave. - Yeah, I didn't know that. I was like, I don't want to be a dick, like leaving me. - It's polite to give a two months notice. - It's polite, yeah. - But usually it's one month notice.

- Yeah, a lot of contracts in one month. - So we started writing up like what to give to the next person. Like they had to do the same thing 'cause to get every like video done, it wasn't just the main video. It was also like different websites, different timestamps, different every. So it was kind of like gaming the system 'cause the thumbnails in those sites were auto-generated based on what it picks up at those time, like seconds, like frames.

but he had a system where he knew if the videos were this long, it would generate these frames. So like for every website, it had to be a different length video. - So he planned out like where exactly the frames would be. Oh my God. - And it was like four different Google sheets to actually get like one video done. And when we tried to get like new people in to like replace me, I think the end result for the Google docs on how you edit a video was 40 pages.

- How do you write 40 pages? - It was so intense. That's why I wanted to finish. 'Cause it wasn't fun. It wasn't editing. It was literal job. Like you had to do everything perfectly. - I'm sure he wanted to as well. - Yeah. And it was four years. And even at the end of four years, I still felt like I couldn't do it like how he wanted to. - Yeah. You were perfect enough for him. - Yeah. I was so imperfect. It was so annoying to me as well. 'Cause I like couldn't do it. - So how many hours of this cat massaging did you have to sit through?

- Like in total? - Yeah. - Per session? - You must be so desensitized to it. - Yeah, you must be so desensitized to it. - I think at the end it was 500, I don't know. - Christ. - That's so funny. - Oh my Lord. - And now he's on Trash Taste. - Honestly, it was a bit sketchy 'cause it was a huge chunk of revenue. But when you were like Trash Taste, I was like, okay, this is a good chance, like move past.

- I could use all my skills correctly. - Maybe get some free time, you know? - Yeah, yeah. - But that was the last thing that also like really burned me out. Like in terms of editing. - Yeah, let me ask you this question. How do you avoid burnout in your, like the way you think, the way you do things? - I don't, it's either I- - I just don't. - Like I either got burnt out six years ago or I don't. I don't know where.

- I just don't get burnout. - Do you just not recognize the burnout and you just kind of push through it all? - I think I'm desensitized to burnout or I just take jobs that like don't burn me out. 'Cause like there's so much work that I have to do that anytime I get like tired of one job, I like switch over to, oh, I'm gonna make thumbnails now. Or I'm gonna do clips now. I'm gonna go back to the first job. I'm gonna do like a different thing. - So I guess having like a variation of different jobs is like a good way, right?

- Yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - It's 'cause burnout is just suboptimal performance. - Shit, you're right. I gotta start taking vitamins. - Burnout's just like a skill issue at the end of the day. - What a crazy rabbit hole to go down.

The moment I feel burned out, I just pop open that medicine box. I'm good to go. - One thing you also told me that I just didn't appreciate 'cause I'm like, man, we're so fortunate to have to do this that you did in Estonia to do mandatory service as well. - Yeah. - So you had to do like eight months of military time, right? - Yeah. - Oh really? - After high school, I went into like straight away 'cause I didn't want to do it later 'cause if they call you like five years down the line- - When you're doing shit, yeah. - Yeah, it really sucks. So I had to, I went there like voluntarily

They were like, "No, you're too skinny. Come back in half a year." I'm like, "No, no, no, let's do two weeks."

And they were like, "All right, one month." So I went back and thankfully got it. 'Cause otherwise it would have gone like another year. - Yeah, yeah. - And yeah, then I got in and it was- - What if you were too skinny the entire time? Could they just never ask you to serve? - Yeah, but I don't think I would have been. 'Cause before that I had like some sort of a disease that lasted for a month that I couldn't eat. So I lost 10 kilograms in weight. - Damn. - Okay, wow. - So I was like, "Yeah, I can easily pack that on. Like get me in two weeks and I'll do it."

- What did you do the other two weeks? Just fucking go to town? - I just ate normally. - I ate normally. - For like a month, I could only eat once a day and it was like one pudding. Otherwise it would have been too painful. - Right. - Oh my God. What disease is that? - I think I had, I'm not sure if it was mono or like my- - The glands? Yeah, that's mono, right? - Yeah. - That was like really went insanely huge and got like infected. So I had to take like,

like insane painkillers that you can take once a day. And then even then I could just eat pudding. Otherwise it's like too much.

- Christ. - Is there any part of your life that you still think you can optimize or find time? - What's next for Mudan? - What's next for Mudan? - Well, it's not like huge optimization movements. It's just like slow, like steady. When you get a new client, you're like, all right, how can I optimize that? - Actually, I gotta ask, what's an average day look like for you? - Wake up, see-

- Around 9:00 AM. - Nice. - Okay, okay. - Yeah, I see what you guys have written, like the fires I have to take out. 'Cause usually when I wake up in the morning, it's around like noon or nighttime for you. And then I'm like, oh my God, there's like 10 things that popped up. I gotta do ads, I gotta do that. So the first two or three hours are just doing like urgent stuff. Then I eat, then I do either gym or I don't know,

running, cardio. And then I do like the stuff that I had to do that day. Like 10, 20 items I usually put in my to-do list. - Yeah. - That's a lot. - You make it sound easy, but. - That comes after the gym and everything like that. - Doing 10, 20 things in a day, or I guess more realistically the second half of the day is quite a bit.

And then it's like 2:00 AM and I go to bed. - Do you ever get, 'cause I like, I've had weeks when I've been super, super productive and all it takes is like one little slip off to take you off your like schedule and routine and then everything like just crumbles. - Yeah. - Do you ever get that all? - Oh yeah, it does happen. - Like after vacations and stuff? - No. - No? - Well, no, you work on vacations.

- I get it, I never fall out of working. The only thing I fall out of is just like taking care of myself. Diet or gym, as long as I'll slack and I'll be like, "Yeah, okay, I'll slack another day." - Out of five years or six years of doing this, I think Japan was the first time, like this is the most I've taken off, like away from my home, like ever. This is two weeks. Usually it's like three days. - Oh really? - Or three, four days, yeah. So I mean, even here, like every day, four or five hours of work,

- Oh my God. - Please, please get, please have a vacation. - Please have a day where you do nothing. - Yeah, I refuse. - Just try it. - Why do you refuse? - That sounds awful. I did the white room stream. I didn't feel that great doing it. - No, you don't like that at all. - I did nothing for 12 hours. - I'm just on a fucking vacation. You're actually doing stuff, Buddha. - I didn't do anything. I took 12 hours off. It wasn't that fun. - We had a wide room. What do you expect? - I took 12 hours off. Here's what happened, guys.

- Prisoners be like, I took 36 years off of my life. I didn't enjoy it. - I saw a fucking screenshot and it was like from TikTok and it was a guy going like, and it was like unemployed people when they have to eat breakfast and play video games all day. That's like Moondown. - No!

- Just try it. You can turn it into a YouTube video. - I've tried it. I don't like it. - I took a day off, level impossible. - It's horrible. Now I get the jitters. I'm like, fuck, I gotta edit that. Fucking give it to me. - Fair enough. - Where is the timeline? - God damn it. Any advice you might have for editors? - Yeah, or future editors? - No, like if you don't like it, quit.

- I mean, I think that's great advice. - That's real advice. - That's just great life advice in general. - Do you like editing or do you want to get lots of YouTube views? Which is it? - Damn. - Tell them how it is. Burn them.

But yeah, thanks for coming on. - Thanks for coming on, finally. - Yeah, finally we got you on after 170 something episodes. - Yeah, thanks for having me. - Yeah, absolutely. - It was a pleasure. - Finally got the machine on that- - The man, the myth, the legend. - The man, the myth, the legend. - Is there anything you wanna shout out by the way? - No. - No. - Subscribe to- - No, Goja got his streams. He's a great streamer. - All right, all right. - Goja got his channel. - Mudan on YouTube. I post once or twice a month and I just-

- They're great videos. - No, they're great videos, yeah. - Hey, look at all these patrons though. You see all the patrons going on? - Oh, he knows. - The guests never do like the edges. They always go in the middle. Like this guy. - In his mind, he knows exactly where the frame is. It's like it ends right there. - He always gets looked over. - This guy right here.

- But hey, if you'd like to be pointed at Mudan or a future guest or one of us, then consider joining us on Patreon, patreon.com/trashtaste. Also follow us on Twitter, send us memes on the subreddit. And if you hate our face, listen to us on Spotify. And of course go check out Mudan the goat. We wouldn't be here 170 something episodes. - Anime YouTube would probably not be here. Not for him. It's just like all of like anime YouTube and like Mudan and like fucking- - It's like Atlas just holding up the globe. - In like 2018 or whatever. I can't remember how long it's been.

Hell yeah. But thanks for coming on Moodon and we'll see you guys next week. Bye. Bye. Bye. Wow.