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LinkedIn, the place to be, to be. Look at this. Isn't that a beauty? Eight bucks on Amazon. That's a nice case. And it makes you look like James Bond. Yeah, yep. Open that in a strip club, my friend, you're halfway home. Hell yeah. You got it all. You locked and loaded. Not that you've ever been in a strip club, I imagine. I love strip clubs. Me too. Well, you know what? Here's my defense. Yeah?

Not that I have to convince you or anybody. Fuck everybody. That's my plan. No, but okay, so I'm on the road. It's 10 o'clock. The show's over, right?

I don't want to go to a restaurant because I don't want to eat when I'm on the road. I don't want to eat bad food. I'm only on the road for like two days at a time. Like I can bring all my food in a little bag, have something in my dressing room that's already in my contract. So like I can go the whole little short weekend without eating bad food. So I don't want to go to – and I don't want to eat at 10 o'clock at night.

Am I going to go to a club? Because I'm not you. I'm not your age. You know, it's just ridiculous. And it's too fucking loud. It's loud as fuck. A lot too loud. Yeah, it's fucking loud. And, you know, I'm not going to go to a bar. I don't really drink anymore. Right. Although I'll have one with you. You ain't got to drink with me. I ain't drinking. I'm drinking water. A strip club, at least it's not too loud. Yeah.

It's got to, you know, they've kind of morphed into After Hours Club. For sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Am I wrong? No, they're definitely a little bit more loungy. Yeah, they're more chill. They're more loungy. Yeah, yeah. Sure. Yeah. So, like, I don't feel like there's this stigma that there used to be. Mm-hmm. Like, not that I ever really gave a fuck about it, but a little bit, you know? I mean, you're in a different branch of show business. Uh-huh. So it's a little more, you know...

acceptable, I mean, I know you break records sometimes, don't you? Yeah, I'd love to go to the strip club to break records to see how the girls react to it. Even just like building a reputation, it was kind of necessary to be in some of those environments because they want to hear your name

And know that there's, yeah, exactly. There's fun involved. There's money involved. There's all of this other, you know, this cool shit that comes along with it. So, you know, that definitely becomes a part of it. But I honestly, like, I respect the dancers. Like, I'm like, it's a real art. It's a sport. Like, you know, some of those pole tricks, that takes a lot. Takes a lot. And not just that, but strip clubs have morphed

from when I first went in the, I couldn't even afford to go before the 90s, but even before the 90s, there weren't the strip clubs that are of today, which are fairly

fairly big, it was like, you know, some broken down old place by the airport. And there was like two GIs with a hard-on and a $3 bill and one old broad on the bar, you know, where they're serving the beer. And then it became, in the 90s, they became like emporiums. Like fucking circuses and shit.

I've never seen an elephant. You haven't? No, but I've seen some fat girls. You got to come to the strip club with me. Boy, have I seen some elephants walking up in there. But I feel like when I first went, the first one I ever went to was Rick's in Houston, which is a town that breaks a lot of fun. Yeah. You must be big in Houston. Houston's crackin'.

I love Houston. They have the right attitude, don't they? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They got good food, Southern hospitality. Southern hospitality. Yeah. They're not looking for a fight. Nah, hell nah. I always vibed well in Houston. Anyway, Rick's, I think, was the first one. And I remember walking in that place, and it was like...

Out of a Hieronymus Bosch painting, it was like, you know, where they're in hell, but hell looks really good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was just everywhere you look, there was a gorgeous model-looking chick. And they had, like, these perfect bodies and not an ounce of fat on anybody. Fake tits, of course. Nice. Like these bodies that you only saw in drawings. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they were wearing gowns.

you know, sexy gowns. But it wasn't like now where like we've moved. See, they took away the one thing that the strip club was famous for for 3,000 years is stripping. The slow revealing of the body was the art. And there was no touching. If you just touched their leg, the bouncer would come over and admonish you. Right.

Whereas now, we're naked to begin with. Oh, yeah. And it became about lap dancing, which is a nice way of saying grinding on dicks. Yeah, for sure.

And I feel that's wrong on many levels. I don't want to participate in that. I think it's terrible to make girls do that. It's one thing to look at them unravel their dress and admire their body. That I get, but this is just a different thing. And I feel like they kind of

Fucked up the whole thing. Yeah, now I'm with you bro. Like I don't really even like getting lap dances I don't like when chicks is like all on me grinding this shit cuz I'm a player so I like to look good I like to smell good. I don't want makeup on me. I don't want all that shit all over Yes, so it's like, you know, you can do all that over there and it looks perfectly fine So I'm right there with you makeup. Oh

Yeah. I mean, as many a night I went to bed a white man and woke up a black woman. You know what I'm saying? And the reverse for me. I woke up a white woman. I said, get up, bitch. I got shit to do. Well, I'm glad we agree on that very fundamental point.

part of life. Yeah. It is interesting the way they are, strip clubs are becoming more mainstream. Mm-hmm. You know? They're virtual now. It's like in the crib. They do it online. What? And they got virtual reality. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You never seen the virtual reality strippers? No. Or the online...

Virtual reality strip. Yeah, bro. Isn't that what pornography is? Yeah, but it's even more real. You can get a pair of goggles that make it VR and the girls look real. If you reach out, you feel like, I mean, you're not grabbing tits, but it's like...

It's close, bro. Like, yeah. Your generation is so fucked up. Yeah. So fucked up. I mean, just this love affair with virtual. And I mean, I don't want virtual. I mean, the very word, it just announces itself as less than the best. Mm-hmm.

Hey, it's virtually. Somebody said something about that. I don't understand this satisfaction with not really being someplace, especially with sex and that whole thing. It's crazy. There's a lot of people who would rather do it that way. Masturbate. Not even masturbate, like just be in a situation that's not real.

Do you think this is partly because you're taking too many of the women? No, not me personally. No? Nah. Oh, come on. Hell no. I'll be chilling. Any of the chicks that I get, I want who wants me. You only want who wants you. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, of course. But I'm sure that's a lot.

You know, who knows? You do. What do you mean, who knows? You know. When I walk in a room, I'm not like, oh, this chick, that chick, this chick. You probably could do that.

You're being ridiculous. See, you can do that. No. First of all, I'm 67 years old. You got more game than I do. That's true. Exactly. But, you know, no, I don't know. I'm sure you're, first of all, you don't even need game. By the way, that's the great paradox about game. If you need it,

You don't have it. You think so? Yes. I think the ultimate game is being exactly who you are. I like that. And that's one thing. Women, just like men, can be dumb about a lot of things. But boy...

They smell inauthenticity. Even if they're dumb about everything else, they can tell who's real. I remember they used to write these... I never bought one, but they had these books that were advertised in magazines like, How to Pick Up Girl. And you'd read a little excerpt. And it was always basically like, fake it. I mean, that's what they were saying. They're talking to loser guys, and they were like, don't call her back and like...

Yeah, you know what, try that. Yeah, exactly. You won't answer at all because they, like, if you really can get away with not calling them back right away, if you really are busy and have a lot of other girlfriends or whatever it is, they just know that. For sure. Somehow. Yeah. And if you're just doing it because, oh, I'm going to make her think, no, they know that. No, you're right. So game is no game.

I'm with you on that. It took me certainly a long time to be confident enough to be that way. Like, well, I do like you, but I can be happy without you. For sure. Chicks like that. What? Say chicks like that. You think so? Hell yeah. Of course they do. Hell yeah. They respect that. What they like, we are attracted to beauty in...

in a way that's very fundamental and very lizard brain because our, you know, nature wants us more than anything else to procreate. Right. Especially in your tour bus. For sure. But...

But so we are attracted to that way because we see, you know, beauty and it says to our DNA somewhere inside of us, oh, this will make good offspring. You know, her features are symmetrical. Her skin glows. She will make a fine mother. Okay. That's very poetic. Right. Hell yeah. Oh, I try. I put it into verse like you have, my liege. But yes, that's it.

But we, but women are attracted to something else. And of course they like good looking too. But like what really gets their nads, I think is women.

Confidence for sure because they want someone who's strong and can protect and you know this that's their Deep-seated DNA. Yeah, they're like a real man. I think most women definitely not all the trans kids these days But the the old-school gym for show, you know, yeah Like you said it's like that confidence and

Being masculine isn't being over anything. No. Yeah, it's just being yourself and knowing how to work a room. And sometimes being sensitive, too. Not being too sensitive. Absolutely. Right. Don't be a pussy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't cry unless your mother dies. Right. You know? You know? The basic shit. Right. Chicks...

They're they they look at the best examples of what kind of they grew up seeing so if they have a strong father figure or they see somebody on fucking TV that right whatever it is That's what they're molding that shit after right whether it's right or wrong so like you said as long as we could just be ourselves and just carry what we bring to the table and

um you know we'll end up but like navigating that crazy ass road this this array of jewels yeah yeah the jewelry that must attract the female of the species it does

But it's crazy because it's easy to know who's attracted to that shit and who's not. What? It's easy to know and it's easy to see. So you wear it as a test? No. Whoever is attracted fails? No, no, no, no. Oh, okay. What I usually do is...

I'll go some places with it and I'll go some places without it. So the places without it. What were you hoping to attract here? It's just me. Hey, what kind of a show do you think this is? I thought it might have been some chicks here.

Nah. But nah, it's definitely a difference. And you can see, like, you know, the type of attention. And I don't think it's just attention in general because people gravitate towards whatever they like. But it's definitely a certain type of attention for sure. Is it wrong to say that women are attracted to shiny objects? I don't think all women are. Yeah.

There's a lot of women and there's a certain type of women. Right. But not all women. No. Yeah. No, of course not. Not all chicks. Not all chicks dig this stuff. Not all women even like to be called chicks. That's just my word. No, they don't. And we don't mean anything by it. There's nothing wrong with it. It's just my word. You know, it's everybody's word. It was the word. Trust me, this goes back like cook crack. I was saying chick before you were born. Right. That's been around forever. Right. The Dixie chicks. Right.

changed their name at one point to just the chicks because it was politically incorrect to even mention Dixie. Okay. And then somebody pointed out that chicks was wrong. Right. And then they were going to have to just call themselves the. Isn't that funny? But, yeah.

Yeah, we don't mean any harm. And you should be able to speak freely. For sure. And that's what this place is all about. Hell yeah. This whole thing. And I mean, I really try to, when I'm here, I try to only be with people I really want to talk to and then talk exactly as we would. You know, there's nobody else here. You don't see any cameras or anything. As if I were just, we were a mirror. Yeah. And...

That's what we would say. We're not cleaning up our conversation. No, hell no. I wouldn't do that. Yeah, nor are we being purposely provocative or purposely anything. And we would say chicks, and we would know that the audience trusts us enough to know that we respect women. Yeah, for sure. So it's not like calling them... I mean, even bitch was a word that was just...

Omni, what's the word I'm looking for? Omnipresent. Yeah, right. In rap for decades. Right. Right? I'm sure you've used it. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah. I know you have. My mom don't even care. Like, I started, I probably started cussing in my, well, no, I was always cussing in my raps because...

My mom smokes weed, so she always been cool. Like, she always knew what my music selection was. She knew what I was listening to. She knew what I was watching. And my dad was more the one who was like, you know, this isn't appropriate for a kid. Like, blah, blah, blah. You know what I mean? But I feel like my generation, we were just growing up

picking what we wanted. Like, it wasn't as far as, like, what you can have or what you can't. I guess that's kids in general. That's what kids do. They choose what they like. And for me, I was always into, like, really hardcore rap or rock or, like...

I listen to what my parents listened to as well. So I listen to funk and everything, R&B, fucking whatever. So I have a really good palate when it comes to music. But when I definitely started making my own music, it was always say what I want, do what I want, talk about what I want. I never really tried to like

Mask that shit or like, you know be somebody who I wasn't like in my music But I always wanted my parents to see that shit and be like, okay accept it - it's refreshing I think to have happy music that like first of all Music is the kind of thing that comes into your life like TV or anything else that you're probably indulging it at that moment in the day because

you're not working or you're not arguing with someone. It's a break for pleasantness. So does that mean that we can't have music that's about serious subjects? Of course not, or television shows or movies that are about serious subjects. But a lot of the times, no, I'm looking to power down now. I just want to feel good. I'm using this to feel good. So I can't be worried about all the problems in the world right now.

So I like, you know, your approach was not like, I'm angry and things suck and America sucks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, okay, we know there are parts about America that suck. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, I don't need the memo 24-7. Yeah, hell no. Yeah.

Like that's what the news is for that's what That's what I'm here for You're here to light it up, but it is true. Yeah, I like you know One of my great friends you probably know him or a met him kid Christopher Reed from kid and playing Okay. Well when kid and play were first on the scene they were huge this is like early 90s late 80s early 90s and then you know

And they were working your side of the street. Right. It was happy. You know, house party. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we're just having fun. I look up to that shit. Kids having fun, youth. Dancing. Right. Dressing fly, being cool. And then they got like wiped out because hard rap. Yeah, gangster rap. And it had to be about

Well, we are taking a dim view about what law enforcement is doing in this neighborhood. Right, right, right, right. They phrased it differently. Yeah, I think there's both sides of it where it's like you could be very political and

But then, you know, a lot of those political rappers, you know, Ice Cube, ended up doing family movies. Right. Snoop. You know what I'm saying? Got commercials. So you grow out of that shit. It's a phase. Like, being a gangster is a phase. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes it's a phase that lasts inappropriately. Like this...

Basketball player John Morant, who just got suspended for brandishing a gun a second time. Okay, first of all, I don't think it's like the end of the world to have a picture of a guy with a gun. He didn't actually fire it, you fucks. Okay, it's just a picture. Okay, it's not a good message to kids. I get it.

My question is, like, why? Like, are you in a gang now, Ja, Moran? No, I think you've got a giant house. You've been in the league five years. For sure. Your contract is for hundreds of millions of dollars. Right. Like, why are we living in the past? Yeah. Why are we still... I get that some people have to be, you know, you've got to make a living. Yeah. Sometimes off the street. Right. But...

But he doesn't. It's almost like, I just want to say, you're playing a character. For sure. I think it's just because he's young and he don't know no better. But stop playing a character. Be yourself. When you're young, you don't know the difference between your alter ego and who you really are. Oh, that's an interesting thing. You ought to write a song about that. No, for real, because I noticed that.

And you really don't even know the difference when you have such a talent and such a big personality. You don't know when you're being that character and when you're being yourself. And that's true of you? It was before. Your alter ego being? More like a party animal.

- Yeah. Well, when I was younger, I always felt like I would be like a party animal forever. Like I love to party and I love to be the light for the party. And I love to just wake up and get turnt and be around the homies and do this and do that.

And the older that I got, I really just realized that it was a phase and it was just, you know, something that was good for a certain reason. But that wasn't all of who I was. So you're saying that at one point your alter ego and your actual self were doing the same thing. You were being the party animal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then you gave up on that part. I didn't give up on it. I know how to separate the two.

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think I traveled the same path, except that I was such a loser and so poor and nowhere, like in my teens, through most of my 20s, even into my 30s, I wasn't setting any worlds on fire, that I couldn't really be a party animal. You have to have some, you know, some sort of

yuge to go on in your life. And then when I got to, you know, late 30s, 40s, it was a little late, but you can pull it off. I certainly did. For sure. Right. It's when that money comes in. Right, money and also feeling confident. And people know who you are and you can go to a nice restaurant. That's when the bags.

Right. When the bag hits. The bag? The bag, yeah. I got the bag at 19, so you know I went crazy. What's the bag? That's a million dollars. Your first million. It's called the bag? That's the bag when the bag comes.

Yeah, you get the bag, you start acting different. You can't do that much anymore with one bag. No, no, not one bag. I mean, it's better than none. Yeah, exactly. But when you first get it, you feel like, yo, like, yeah, I'm going to go to whatever restaurant. I'm going to buy whatever champagne I want. I'm going to take whatever flat I want. No, absolutely.

I'm gonna get whatever girl I want. I remember I'm gonna get three girls if I want I'm gonna hang with the homies right, you know I'll talk crazy to you cuz these fools got my back So you yeah starts to kick in like when you get the bag, you know, you gotta you gotta remember when I was half in the bag Yeah, I still tried to do all that. No, not all that. Um

Your game is a little different. But I take your point. Somebody once said, or I read it somewhere, that everybody who becomes famous deserves to get like one year to act like an asshole. For sure. And I remember telling Howard Stern, I may have taken two. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I might have taken like ten. Yeah.

Really? But it's acceptable in my field. And that's the thing about with him is like it's not acceptable in his field. And that's the difference. And that's where the discipline comes in.

You know, okay, you're young, but you'll learn from it. But at the end of the day, you know, your job is a little bit different. Your thing about 10 years and getting away with anything, it's so funny because I was just watching Trump's town hall on CNN and somebody asked him about his famous...

that was, a lot of people thought that he was going to get finished in the election. It did not come close to finishing him. Obviously, he won that election. But when he said, when you're a star, women let you grab their pussy or something like that. Right. And she asked him about that in the town hall last week. And Donald Trump is an amazing man. I mean, he certainly is loathsome in many ways, as I've certainly seen.

Never been short on discussing, but he is kind of...

like it's almost like he's been given sodium pentothal sometimes and I'm sure that's what a lot of people love about him he's almost incapable he's both the biggest liar in the world and he's sort of incapable of lying like anybody else would have like she said would you stand by that statement that when you're a star you can grab pussies and he basically just said what we're saying not that I've ever grabbed anybody's pussies and I'm sure you haven't either but like when you're a star

and you know this much more than I do, because this is like the level stuff you're talking about. I'm glad I was spared of that by just being a lowly comedian, but that people will do anything for you. They try to get you the best drugs. They bring women over. I mean, you just said it. These four fools behind me have my back so I can do anything. It's not like Trump's

You know, he was kind of trying to say in his clumsy way, he said, well, for better or for worse, I think what he meant is worse for the woman. Right, right, right. It was a terrible, inartful, stupid thing to say. Or maybe it's the worst version of it. I don't know about him. I can't even get into his head.

But he wasn't denying it right he was just saying this is any course he always has to exaggerate So he said this went back a million years like we know right like we know what happened a million years ago Like they were guys like he knows about a guy a million years ago who was grabbing some cavewoman's put exactly no but point being like

It's he was trying to say this is the way of the world like stardom does Mesmerize people yeah, not just women it makes people go nutty. Yeah, it does it 100% does yeah Yeah, stardom is a really big responsibility and being good at what you do, too It's like it's fucking crazy. So it's a lot to deal with it's a lot to navigate and it's a journey man. It's like I

So many people try to put so many rules on what you should do or how you should act and how you should do things. Like who? Who are you talking about? I'm just saying in general, like with their opinions of what's right or what's wrong or what the... What are you talking about? The internet? You're talking about your parole officer? I don't know who you're talking about. I wouldn't say... I would say the internet more now because of how free it is with opinions. But just society in general tries to tell...

celebrities or famous people what their behavior should be and how you should react to situations or what you should say behind closed doors or how you should feel. Like cancel culture? You mean like judging you and then like how dare you? I wouldn't even say cancel culture because that's more of a new thing. I'm just saying in general, like

People in general have this perspective that and that celebrities should be perfect or they shouldn't fuck up or they shouldn't do Things that like sort of how people think about your parents like when you're growing up you think your parents are fucking perfect No, right. Yeah. Yeah, like that's how I feel a lot of people look at celebrities or people with you know, people with power is like they just do everything and

the right way, and that's not true. - So what was your upbringing like? Your parents? - My upbringing, my parents were in the military for the early part of my life, so I moved around a lot. - Oh. - Yeah. - An army brat?

I would say that, yeah. Well, they were in the Air Force. Your father was in the... They was in the Air Force. Both of them? Yeah, yeah. Wow. They met in the Air Force, yeah. My dad's from New York and my mom is from Pittsburgh. So my whole dad's side of the family is from New York and my whole mom's side is from Pittsburgh.

And I moved around till I was about a teen. Oh, yeah, that's your big song. Yeah, yep. Right. Yeah, yep. I moved around till I was about, like, 13, and then that's when I settled in Pittsburgh and started making music and just doing my thing out there. But your parents, they stayed together? No, hell no. They got divorced when I was two. Oh. So you split time between them? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay.

But they both stayed in the military. So... My dad stayed in longer than my mom did. Okay. Yeah, yeah. But you were always living in different locales? Mm-hmm. See, it's interesting. I've heard this story from other people, and it's...

it tends to make people one of two things. Either kind of shut down because, well, I can't make friends because every time I make a friend, I lose them because we move. Or like able to be friends with everybody. That's me. Yeah, I see that. Because you kind of have to. You develop that

That's your personality because you're always making new friends. Because now it's a pleasure to make new friends. This is a pleasure. But when you're a kid, I mean, it's tough. Unless you get good at it. I was always used to it. It was normal to me. Every two to three years I would have to move.

So that was just my life. Like at two years old, I moved from where I was born. At four years old, I moved from that place. At six years old, I was somewhere else. At 10 years old, I was somewhere else. And what was your experience about being welcomed into these or not these communities you went to? Did you feel welcomed like a normal kid? I think just being a kid.

It was kind of just, I was just moving around. And the older that I got, the more I started to realize, like, the difference. Like, there was, like, a culture shock. I would be living in, you know, I would be going to a school in maybe South Carolina and living on base where things are pretty normal, pretty structured. And then I would go back to Pittsburgh and, you know, shit would be totally fucking different. And I'd be like, yo. School in Pittsburgh is like going to jail. Like, they have metal detectors. Right.

You know, we had lunch tickets. The line was different. The way people talked to the teachers was different. Just everything was totally... It was like a movie. It was like, you know what I mean? When you go to the cool school and then you go to the bad school, that was the bad school. And, like, you know... Somebody once said the schools in America either look like

high schools. They either look like prisons or colleges. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Our Pittsburgh is prison for sure. Right. And that was normal to us, so we didn't want nothing else. It's such a scandal to me. Yeah, but the older that I got, the more I realized it was like, fuck, this shit isn't right. No, it's such a scandal to me that we have, and there's plenty of blame to go around, but have let schools in America become horror shows. Of course, not everywhere, like you say, but

like places where the teacher commands no respect. So how could a kid, how could any, a kid who wants to learn, they're basically punished. Yeah, for sure. Because the bad kids are going to monopolize the time and the energy. And there's a fear factor. I mean, the teacher's

This is so alien to me the way I grew up. A teacher being fearful of a student? Yeah. Just did not exist when I was a kid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was crazy because I grew up in a wild area. So I went to a Jewish high school. It was a high school in a Jewish neighborhood. Wow. So there was hardcore just straight Jewish kids, and then there was other kids too. That explains all those payers.

You know what that is? The nose? The payas?

You've seen the Hasidic Jews. They have just like... The curls? But it's usually just one. Yeah, I thought that's what you were talking about. I'm just saying. That's where you got it? Yeah, all right. You just went to town with it. All right, for sure. But yeah, so it was a good mixture, but it was like what you said, you know? There would be times where...

where it would get disrupted just by other, you know what I'm saying, outside energies. And I don't even really blame the kids because it's like... Outside energies? Yeah, it's like our neighborhoods and where we come from and some of the households and some of the older generations and what was being passed down to the younger generations. We

We didn't really have the best examples of what to do and what not to do. So it's really just fucked up and it's like, you know, it's kind of a weird cycle that you have to be, you know, kind of unprogrammed or reprogrammed to break. Because I don't know what school is like now, but I really hope it's not like it was when I was in high school. It's worse. It can't be. It is.

Because there's more technology, so it can't be. Technology, you think, fixes everything? Technology basically makes everything worse. Of course, it does a lot of great things as well, but it ruined our brains. The iPhone ruined people's brains. Yeah. I mean, I'm on strike now because the big issue is AI. I just think with technology, you can learn what you want to learn. You can. It doesn't mean people will. Yes, every technology comes along, has the ability to...

for humans to use it for great purposes. And what do they use it for? Masturbating. That's what people basically... The first thing they try to do with every new technology is figure out how to fuck it, jerk off to it, come on its face. Okay? So, like, yes, people could...

use the phone. All the information from all of mankind is there, but do they? No. They're scrolling through fucking pictures of bullshit. Yeah, I mean, that's somebody who's been exposed to that already, but like...

Kids or somebody who wants to learn something that they don't know it's way more accessible now than it was before like you had to go to a library or get an encyclopedia and you know what go through all of this shit it's and for somebody who actually cares about and There might not be a lot of those people but I was one of those kids so I have faith that they still exist that they you're just born that way and you have to get exposed to other bullshit to learn that and

So hopefully, you know, there are still minds that are intrigued by shit to say, oh, I want to learn this today. And you can dive into it and go into a big ass wormhole online. There are. And you can educate yourself. And that's what schools kind of fucked up to me is like the curriculum doesn't like go for everybody. But if you could be an individual, educate yourself. Yeah, you can educate yourself, but you can also do it.

In a haphazard way, for example, history. Kids don't know history anymore. They really need to. It's important to everybody's, I think, well-being of the mind to know history because you have to know where we came from. They have no perspective. It's like I was just dropped here by Martians and I don't need to know what happened before me. That didn't matter because I wasn't alive for it.

And so if something intrigues them, say that happened 500 years ago, they look it up. But they don't know what happened before that and before that. But that's the thing about it. As opposed to taking a course in college which takes you through the whole story of mankind so that you know exactly when you're reading about what happened 500 years ago, it makes sense because it's

It would be like coming into a movie an hour into it. You wouldn't know what happened. Yeah. I think it is a scary time because all that shit's being rewritten. Whoever wrote that book or made that course, that course is old as fuck now. It's 150 years old and there needs to be a new one. And somebody has to do it. Somebody has to write it. Like you said, somebody has to be educated on it, but it has to be a new way. They can't keep teaching that same course because that's going to get played out after a while.

Well, no. There are things that are timeless and need to be learned over and over again. Classical music is timeless because that's a creation. So is classical music. History, like something that happened, isn't timeless. Of course it is because one thing comes... It matters to certain people. It is effective for...

The fucking like there's certain art, art renaissances and things like that. Or there's certain waves that mattered.

Like, even civil rights, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, that shit mattered a lot in the 70s and 80s. We're fighting for totally new things now, so those things are good, but it's hard to teach kids the importance of that because they didn't go through it. Like, my son is mixed, and he goes to a different school, so it's hard to teach him about that and make him know, like, hey, as a black man, blah, blah, blah.

He don't understand that shit. Good. That means we progressed. Exactly. Yes, I agree. Look, I'm always saying, let's live in the year we're living in. Yep, 100%. Yes, I think too many people-- I think your generation, they like being victims, all of them.

So they don't like things that rob them of the joy of being a victim. So they sometimes are living in an era that we're not living in there anymore. These aren't the bad old times. There are still problems, yes, but we're not living there.

But as far as like understanding the past, yes, you do have to understand the past to understand like it does affect you. I mean, you're able to live in a country that's a democracy because somebody invented it in classical Greece. Right. That was 500 years before Jesus. Okay. It's important to know about Jesus historically because Christianity is something that a billion and a half people on earth believe in. Mm-hmm.

you know, unless you know, have a perspective on these things, when issues come up that involve them, your decision-making is kind of blinkered because you're not, people are not seeing the whole picture. And kids today,

Kids today, I can't fucking believe I'm still saying kids today. But it's true, like kids today, it's not their fault, they just don't teach them history. Everybody's so upset about, well, they're teaching too much critical race theory or they're not teaching enough. And I keep saying, they're not teaching them anything. I mean, I would start with just history in general. They're teaching history wrong. They're not teaching history at all. Mm-hmm.

I mean, ask kids who got out of high school. The average kid, if the Renaissance came before or after the Middle Ages, they will have no idea what I'm talking about. And that's not a good place for minds to be. Minds have to have a certain perspective. You should know somewhat about what came before you so you can place yourself on the timeline. You should have some idea, like, how many people there are on Earth. Mm-hmm.

I'm sure you could ask a lot of kids graduating from high school how many people on earth and and give them at multiple choice and Most of them would get it wrong. Is it is it eight million people? Is it eight trillion people? Is it a and someone say oh, I think it's a trillion Or eight million and it's of course eight billion that matters because like how many people can earth fit and

Well, I don't know, but we seem to be straining at the resources with aid. Yeah. So Elon Musk thinks we should keep having babies, have more babies. He doesn't think we have enough babies. I agree with him on most things, but not on that one.

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Get giggly, I still get the munchies. Yeah, oh, I definitely get the munchies. I still get sleepy sometimes. Take me a little. Horny? Yeah, for sure. Hell yeah. Well, see, then we're the same. It's an up drug for us. For some people, it's a sleep drug. No, no, no. Whereas if I smoked it before I went to sleep, it'd be like drinking coffee. Yeah. It would keep me up. It makes my mind work. Yeah, for sure. Or do something. It's up.

It's up. Even Indica. That's what I smoke. Indica? Yeah. But that's the one that's supposed to make you like... I know. It doesn't make me down. People talk endlessly at me. And I own a part owner of a pot store here in town, The Woods. Woody Harrelson's place. It's really Woody's place, but he cut me and McEnroe in for a little bit. But it's like an awesome... It's the best pot store I've ever been in. I'm not just saying that. But...

But the people at the pot store, all pot stores, they're endlessly talking about like indigo versus sativa and strains and smell this and can't you tell. They treat it like wine. They're just like people who love their wine. And I am just like, you know what? You people who are so into the drug culture, I'm not really into the culture. Mm-hmm.

I'm mostly just into the drugs. And I get it that there's an array of things we could talk about related to this, but just does it get me high or not? I don't care what strain it is. I don't care what it blew to get this way. I just, you know, I don't care about the smell. I just care about my head. I can dig it. So you smoke all day long. Hell yeah.

And then you go-- Yeah, what do you say? Doesn't it make you too hungry?

Well, nah. Like, I like to eat, so... Right, but how do you stay so thin? I eat all the time, and I work out. Is that it? Yeah, yeah. You're very active? Yeah, I work out five days a week, man. Lots of sexual intercourse. I have, yeah, I'm a healthy guy. I'm actually in the gym working out. You were married, but you're not married. Yeah, I was married. I'm not married no more. So what caused that marriage to end? Um...

Man, I was young when I got married. I was 25, and we had had my son. And of course, I was like, that's who I'm going to be with forever. We're going to do this the right way. We're going to have a family and all of that stuff. And I think just the relationship. Ridiculous. Yeah, it was just rough. It was just rough.

It wasn't the worst thing in the world, but it's crazy because like... You're a young... I mean, you're young for you. And it wasn't even like I wanted to be doing anything that I wasn't doing at the time. What's your big young, free, and wild? Young, wild, and free? Young, wild, and free. It wasn't even about that, man. I'm a family man, so I'm all about my family. But, you know, when you're young, too, you start to just... You learn a lot about yourself. You learn a lot about your partner. And...

I learned that marriage, it takes way more time before you could be like, yo, I love this person and I'm going to spend the rest of my life with them.

Like, I learned it's about mixing families. It's about can you fucking live with this person? It's ridiculous. Mixing businesses. It's a ridiculous thing. Manage your money, all that stuff. So it was... It's a lot when you're in your early 20s. It's a lot. And you're just in love and you don't know all of that other stuff that goes with it. Right. So the marriage didn't work, but I still, you know, I'm still hella cool with his mom and shit. Oh, good. Like, that's still my homegirl. Okay. And, um...

We do a hella good job raising him, but I don't fuck with marriage, though. You don't think you'll ever do it again? No, I don't see the point. I don't see the... Exactly. No, I don't see the point. See? Coming around to my point of view. Yeah, yeah. I never did it. Yeah, yeah. No, there's no point. I didn't make the same mistake once. Yeah, yeah. Deal with that. You did good. You look good. You're doing all right.

Well, it's just, I mean, look, it works for some people, absolutely. Gay people. No, I'm kidding. No, it does. I know people who absolutely would be completely lost without their spouse. That's cool. That's cute. It is cool if you have that personality. Yeah, hell yeah. I just saw this. Actually, I'm not quite finished watching it.

But there's this movie Tom Hanks just did called A Man Called Otto. Oh, okay.

I see it on there, but I didn't watch it. I love the way he said, okay, like, yes, I will accept that that exists, and I will continue to ignore it. Well, I was going to ignore it, but I love Tom Hanks, and he's a national treasure, and he's pretty awesome at picking scripts. And I find this movie very engaging, but it's about, and spoiler alert, a few people, to

It doesn't spoil... I don't think spoiler rights spoil anything anyway. I don't care if I know what's going to happen. Exactly. Anyway, it's about... He plays a guy who's his age, which is my age, and he's a recent widower. The wife dies. And then flashbacks where his son, Tom's son, plays him. You see him meeting the girl who became his wife. So, you know, he's just...

incredibly grouchy and unhappy because he's he lost this love of his life who he spent his whole life with and there was no other girl for him than that girl and so he keeps trying to kill himself all through the movie I mean he puts the noose around his neck he's got the shotgun under his chin oh I'm telling you in the garage with the motor running you know and right so I'm just saying like

I'm sure there are advantages to being married, but I feel like people can become so codependent that when one of them goes, you want to put the shotgun under your chin. You're like the roots of a tree underground that has intertwined with another tree so long that you can't separate them.

And I don't know if that's love or if it's just, I mean, in the movie it certainly is portrayed that way. I'm sure it is true love. That's crazy. But it doesn't seem to conform with how we're just not born with another person. Right. You know, we're born, we come into this world alone and we're going to leave it alone. Yeah. You know, no one can be like, when you're on your deathbed, no one can be like,

I'll do it for you. Exactly. I'll die for you. And some people would love you so much they would. For sure. You might do that for your own kid, but you can't. Right. Thank God. Because we don't want that burden. Yeah, it's, man, I believe in love like that, you know, like loving someone or being attached with someone. And like you said, you come into the world alone, but

you have your parents or you might not have a... Some people might not have a good relationship with their parents or things like that, but if somebody passes, like, you feel it. Like, you know what I'm saying? Of course. But to go...

you know, to those extents or to feel that you can't go without your partner and things like that. I agree with you. That's a different emotion. And I don't think that, like, you have to be necessarily, like, legally married to find your partner in life. You know what I mean? Or find somebody who you're going to be with forever, brings out the best in you. And...

for you to grow with that person and learn with that person. That's just life, you know what I'm saying? You don't have to sign a piece of paper to be like-- - But it's always gonna be hard for you because you're a rock star, there are always gonna be women throwing themselves at you.

I love the way this guy is. It's true. It's true, of course. You know who Hall & Oates is? Yeah. You do? They had some great songs. Daryl Hall did the show once here, and we were talking, and I just said to him, like, how do you, when you're married and a rock star, I mean, how do you resist? And he just went, it's impossible. Yeah. You don't. You don't. Yeah. So, I mean, and...

i know every guy's dream is to find some girl who's cool with that well spoiler alert in the end of the day there are no women cool with that they can be for a brief period of time but ultimately yeah not in the end not in you're not going you're not going to be in a relationship with her the only way for that to happen is for it to be how it is with me where i have

my baby's mother, and we don't have a sexual relationship. Right. We're super cool, and I, you know, she meets who I'm with, and she knows who I'm with because that's who's around her, our kid. Right. You know what I'm saying? But as far as it bothering or any other thing like that, like, it doesn't interfere because... Well, you seem very... I mean, I'm only meeting you for the first time. I only know you an hour. But...

you seem very level-headed yeah yeah yeah i'm sure yeah you know um you just come across as someone that a mother would not worry despite the prodigious amount of weed that you ingest yeah that you know the child is going to you know walk off the ledge or into the pool or she knows i mean rock stars don't have a great history of keeping their toddlers alive

out doing any rock star when it comes to that shit and she know that no I know the life don't the life don't change that and it's like she knew me you know what I'm saying before she decided to like we decided to have a kid so she knows my attitude towards life and luckily like weed is more acceptable now you know what I mean whereas

10 years ago. We didn't strip clubs. Yeah, it was like living in a golden age. It was a little bit crazy. Oh, yes. No, I mean, we just that's the thing about having a kid and being a rock star is like every, you know, everybody's not going to agree with or understand what you do. But as long as you build your tribe,

and the people who you're raising him with are on the same page, then, you know, nothing goes wrong. - How old is that? - He's 10. - 10? - Yeah, yup. - Now does he have a chain like that? - He don't wear jewelry. I bought him a couple chains, like regular nice little gold ones or whatever, but he don't really wear jewelry.

No. See, kids always rebel against the parents. No, it's his thing. It's like, yo, whatever you want. And then when you get into it, then it'll be there for you. But it's like, as a gift or something to you, or I get me something, of course I'm going to get you something. Has he expressed interest in girls yet? No.

Not really like on that level like, yo, I want to have a girlfriend. No, no, no. No real like, you know how it was like, oh, I like this person or I'm into this person or any of that. Like, nah. I had not hit puberty at 10. I mean, kids today, they seem to get into it younger. Like, when I was 10, we still hated girls. Really? Yeah, girls were like the enemy. Oh, no, not me. Mackinac girls at 10. At 10? Yeah.

Hell yeah. I love it that you still say Mackin. Yeah, I was Mackin on Girls at Ten. I said that recently and somebody tried to bust my nuts about it. They playing. It's the greatest term, isn't it? You need that. The night is cold. They want their lingo back. Nah, it's here. Yeah, we're keeping it on ice.

So what is the, apropos of nothing, but I forget why I thought of it, but what is the origin, the provenance of the great affection and attraction for the large ass?

Like, why? That's a good question. Do you like fat asses? No. You don't like a fat old ass? I do not. No, I don't, sir. Damn. No. You're missing out. I am not. We all have our taste, okay? I don't like sushi. It doesn't mean I'm wrong. It's just opinion, taste. You ever felt a fat old ass? Like, squeeze it? I...

I mean, there have been asses, I'm sure, that have been in my hands that are larger than the average. But if I'm picturing the same thing that you're describing, I think, I do not want to picture it. I've seen it and I wish I could unsee it. No, I do not like avoir du poids of that nature on TV.

to an excessive degree. My friend, Killer Mike, do you know Killer? Yeah, I know Killer. I love, he's the greatest. Mike Render. Good dude. He took me to the Blue Flame in Atlanta. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sure you're... That's the home of it right there. Right. I mean, there's another...

club in Atlanta. I remember somebody was telling me, oh, he's going to probably take you there. Magic City? Probably that. And he said, nah, that's for tourists. I'm going to take you to the real thing. Yeah, no, Blue Flames is the hood. It certainly is. Yeah, yeah. We got some hard looks. And I was with Mike's like the king of Atlanta. Yeah, you're good.

I know, but thank God. He said to my security guy at one point, I hope you can fight because I don't know if I can handle everybody. Yeah. And we were just sitting there. Did he take you during the day or at night? A day. Yeah, okay. Oh, Wiz, if you're going to the strip club in the day, come on. They go to the strip club during the daytime in Atlanta. People do a lot of... Yeah, it's like 4, 4.30, 5 o'clock. It's cracking. No, no, no. This was...

This was after my show. I'm just saying, it's Killer Mike, bro. Anything could happen. No, I don't think they... No, I mean, if you're hanging out with a day stripper named Candy at 3 o'clock in the afternoon, something went very wrong in your life, I think. And that's somebody... I'm not going to tell you that story, then. Right.

But they had the bodies in that club were so exaggeratedly bulbous, both breasts and ass. Yeah. You know, that, I mean, it was, I felt like I was in a cartoon. Yeah. I agree with you. The bodies these days, they're not that. It could not have been real. Hell no. No, they inject. It's called a BBL. It's a Brazilian butt lift. Yeah.

And that's what, or fat transfer, like a lot of. I feel like lift is a generous word for some of the asses I've seen. Yeah, that's the thing. Some of them will get a fat transfer, so they'll go through this process where they're like gain weight for a couple months. Oh. Yeah.

And then they'll go to a country and then they'll get all of the weight taken out of the bad places and get it put into the places that they want. But being overweight did not seem to be an obstacle to any of these women being strippers. I mean, it did seem to be welcomed by all. It was not something that appealed to me. Yeah. I mean, some of these chicks, I mean, you could serve drinks on this ass. See, that's a compliment.

Yes, I'm sure. Well, I was going to say, and also have a room for a three-piece band, which I don't think is a compliment. Serving a drink on the ass is a compliment in the South. Right, because it means it... Yeah, that's an ass right there. I mean, look, there are asses that are larger than average, I'll say this, that are attractive, but they have to be really in good shape. Yeah, I like a nice, I like a toned ass. I like the legs to match the booty.

That's gotta happen. Like that's that's what I mean match. How can they know sometimes some girl see some of those? It might have been dark in there. You might not have really seen it Sometimes the legs look like those pool sticks And the ass is crazy. Oh, yeah, we don't want to see no we don't want to do that. No, I like I like a semi-athletic

you know, natural look. That's me too. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so we're not that far apart. It seemed like you were defending the giant. I'm a black man, so of course I love fat old ass. I'm never going to turn my back on that, but my personal taste is, you know, what I go for is a more toned,

you know what i mean so you're just doing it for for the people no it's not for the people it's just you don't really like it it's like nature man you gotta represent nature calls bro

See, that's not part of your nature, you know what I'm saying? Correct. You're not naturally programmed. No. No, I am not. It's just in me. It's like fried chicken, you know what I mean? And also, here's another reason why I'm probably the way I am. Because just as I became pubic, and I remember being, I think, age 11 when I first started to whack off and think about girls. Okay, that was just around the time that the fashion industry

Change to very skinny girls. There was a model named Twiggy. Okay, who was like the sensation It was like called the waif look and ways being like very pale and very thin no tits That was the look I didn't exactly find that hot but the trend definitely moved toward more like very tight and toned and thin

The generation right before and of course kids are always going to be against whatever their prior generation was for that was more like women who are built like For the blue flame except of course this was the 50s and 60s. They were white We're talking about Marilyn Monroe right was kind of a fat ass You know, I mean Jane Mansfield and that you ever watch Mad Men the redhead giant ass This this was what was

big back then. So like that was to me like the last generation. I wanted the new thing and that's probably why I'm stuck with that. Yeah. No, it makes sense. It's definitely part of the programming of what you see. It's like movies or like whatever. It could be a fucking cartoon. It could be a fucking show. Right. Like whoever you think is hot at that time kind of defines that.

Am I I grew up in I'm 35 so I grew up in the 90s. So I was seeing more like Fucking Pamela Anderson like the big yeah, it's like, you know what I'm saying? Like that type of shit was was cracking. She wasn't fat. No, she wasn't a thick girl. No, she she was like, yeah That was when the bodies were normal. They were getting plastic, right? But it wasn't all the way all the way there yet. I

So there was still hot chicks from there, and then there was still the 80s playboy. It's amazing the way America decides a chick is the only pretty chick in the country. And so for like 10 years, Pamela Anderson is the only pretty girl.

And then it was like Carmen Electra is the only pretty girl we can find in this entire, and they're just like so, like we get it, she's a cute girl. There are other girls out there, but they like. Yeah, they just key in on that shit. Well, now we're at a different age, things are more diverse.

Things are better, right? Yeah, no, kind of. Well, certainly, and I mean, please, we're talking about magazine, like in the 90s? I think like maybe Naomi Campbell got a cover once, or maybe not even.

Probably. Right. I could see that. Things have changed enormously. Like her and like Tyra Banks. Yeah. Yeah. But Tyra Banks is mostly this century. OK. I mean, well, Tyra Banks, no, I take that back. She was a model in the 90s. She was in that movie. Oh, I forget. It was, I think it was, it wasn't Spike Lee. It was. You're talking about. School days or. It was Higher Learning. Higher Learning. Yeah, with Mekhi Pfeiffer. Yes. Yeah.

Oh, no, it wasn't MacKay Pfeiffer. It was Omar Epps. Yes. Yeah. Anyway, so she's been around, but like,

Yes. I mean, you see like all the magazines, they are trying very hard to like make up for all their years of racism with who they put on their covers and which models they featured and all that kind of stuff. Like it is not a bad time to be a black model right now. No. I don't think it's, no, hell no. I think everything is like content driven too, which is really dope. Like a lot of

these women get to put their personalities out there as well as look the way they want to, which I think is cool. Because I always thought, like,

it was cool to hear the chicks, like, make jokes and, like, when they was... started moving into, like, becoming VJs on MTV and shit like that or, like... I watched wrestling growing up, too, so you started to see, like, hella, like, female wrestlers and shit like that, too. So it was, like, it's cool to just see them branch out and do boss shit and be hot. I like that. Military kids... Yeah. ...in my experience always, like...

they're usually better educated they're usually like polite you know there's just something about a military dad they just don't take

Because the military attracts people who like something orderly, regimented. They know you can advance. If you do this, you do this, do this. You follow orders. You give orders. It's like there are rules. And I feel like I see that in you. My parents fucking hated the military.

Really? Hell yeah. But they still were of it? No. No? No, they raised me how they wanted to raise me. Really? Yeah. But why did they stay in? Why did he stay in? My dad remarried and my stepmom was in, and she was more of the, you know, the ranking type. But yeah, no, my parents got in the military when they were young. They fell in love. They didn't want to separate. They had kids.

My mom got the fuck out. My dad was a trip. But, you know, I think, yeah, I just come from a good upbringing. Like my parents were really real, super realistic and definitely growing up around other people, like seeing different races and families and just knowing how to operate with people in general. You know what I mean? And then.

Like I said, when I lived in Pittsburgh, that shit was a culture shock. Like, it's really rough in Pittsburgh. Where you from? New Jersey. Jersey. All right, cool. So Jersey is fucked up, too. Like, you can go to a good-ass part of Jersey, and then you could be in a really, really fucked-up part of Jersey. Newark. So you know how good it could be, how bad it is. Pittsburgh is the exact same way. And it's like, you have to have a choice whether you want to make it out of that shit, or you can be exactly how everybody is around there. So...

That's mainly what it is. It's just bossing up and knowing the difference. You know what I mean? Seeing that shit happen to a lot of people is just choosing, you know what I mean, where I want to be with a lot of that. It's a scandal. Yeah, it's crazy. It's just a scandal. Because, like I said, a lot of blame to go around. But it doesn't have to be that way anymore. I feel like it's within our reach. Everybody blames the other side for the parts that they are, you know, each side does have some issues.

to go around for this, but to keep, like why does Republicans, Democrats, they'd switch who's in office and nothing changes. Like the city looks the same. Like if you drive through Newark, I drove through, I think it was last year and I had to get from like

where we'd landed at Teterboro in New Jersey. I'm sure you've landed there. And I had to get to the Upper East Side of Manhattan. And for some reason, or maybe the concert was in Newark. Anyway, we drove through Newark and then across the bridge. And it's like going from one world to another. Oh, yeah. To drive up Madison Avenue in New York City, like in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, I think.

uh after coming driving through newark you know with the sneakers over the yeah yeah yeah with the telephone line and the pit bulls and the stores that are closed and you're like why what is it that that why can't they both look like madison avenue why can't you know it's it's

- Confounding. - Yeah, no, it's crazy. And it's crazy to come from that and just know the difference, like living out here. It's not like I wanna go back to that or any of that shit, you know? Or I don't even want my son

to go through that shit because that's not normal. Well, he won't. Those aren't circumstances that make you a man or a person. You don't learn from that shit. That shit is survival. Your kid will not have to worry about that. Your kid will have to worry about the opposite problem, which is that he's a son of a celebrity. He's a nepo baby. If he does anything wrong,

you know, in show business, which is okay. There's a million of them. Nobody holds it against you. But, you know, people do want to see that you can make it on your own. Hell yeah. And it's good for him. Hell yeah. You know, you don't want him to ride your coattails because then he'll never be confident as his own person. You got to make your own bones, you know. For sure. I think it's like, it's in you because it's like,

Nobody told me to do what the fuck I was doing. Nobody made me was like, "Yo, you should start doing this or take this serious." I was 14 years old and I just started doing it and I wanted to. So I feel like if it's in him, whatever it is the hell he wants to do, he's just going to do it. Nobody's going to have to make him or force him into it. He's going to find his passion and he'll figure it out. And if he wants to be awesome at it, he got the choice.

Yeah. Like I said, you're very level-headed. I mean, I'd be chilling. You're, uh, the people who think you're just this giant party animal, you're a tremendous disappointment. Sorry to let him down.

People sometimes want you to be your image. Very badly. Especially someone like you. They would love that. You're not worried that they're going to find you too reasonable here? Yeah. No. I think that's not an issue of mine, but I'm definitely not messy enough for people. They just see a different side of you. Well, not here in general. I just think like

Because I don't mind chopping it up with you and this ain't gonna ruin nothing. No, I just think For my career and how I've just how I'm perceived. I'm not messy enough. I'm not crazy enough I'm writing normal like I just I just do normal shit, you know Well, and also you're 35 you said yeah, okay. Here's the thing in your game well, I guess everybody's but definitely in music is

You have to grow with your audience. They're getting older too. If you stay the same, first of all, you look like an idiot because you're not 19 anymore. Exactly. Right? Okay. And your audience isn't either. What you want to do is keep the same people but recognize that, oh, we're all older now. Right. You know, there was some controversy a few years ago when

some she was a fan I think it was a cardi B and and she just like wrote a supportive thing but she said like hey you know now that you're I think it was 35 or maybe she's 40 whatever it was like you ever consider like maybe doing some stuff that's more like appropriate yeah yeah right and and then like all of cardi B's

like, you know, flying monkey, you know, like in The Wizard of Oz, army of haters, you know, all the fans, the Cardi B fan. And they, like, swarmed on this person who had dared to suggest that Cardi B wasn't perfect. And I think, like, somehow ruined her life or whatever. But it's just very instructive, I thought, that, yeah, yeah.

Like, people either want you to keep that image forever, or, like this fan who got fucking lambasted for just trying to be...

you know, supportively give good criticism. She was asking for this artist that she liked to grow with me. We're a little older now. I like you, I wanna keep liking you, but we're not in high school anymore. - Right. - You know, put out a record that I relate to. - Yeah. - Yeah, I loved it back in whenever, when you sang about, you know, whatever it is, the, you know. - Yeah.

What is it, wet pussy? Yeah, yeah, for sure. Right? Is that the... It's definitely wet-ass pussy. Right, wet-ass pussy. Is there any other kind? But... There is! What? Dry-ass pussy. Well, that's not good. Then you're not doing it right. I mean, a woman lets you know... Oh, for sure. Okay.

Sometimes it's not your fault, though, player. What? What's not your... It is always your fault. If you don't make... But the thing about that, like, I think it's real difficult with artists, especially with Twitter, because you got so many people's opinions and shit, is I agree with you for sure. It's like our job to...

Bring the fans with us and shit like that. Bring the fans with us. Grow. Let them... I mean, when you look at some of the lyrics that, you know, artists are singing about when they're 20 versus 30, 40, you know, it's...

you see like, oh yeah, that's something a teenager would never be interested in. I'm singing about a real love that I lost. Well, that's not what you're thinking about. When you're a, you know, teenage love is different. It's all about, you know, well, it's just puppy love. For sure. From personal experience,

A lot of fans get caught up in their own experience with the music. So they always want that. They want that same beat selection or they want that same flow or they want those same things that originally grabbed them when that's kind of selfish to ask an artist to keep repeating that. Right. And the artist who follows

fall into that are the ones who just kind of just do trends. I call it like microwaving or reheating the soup. They're not like doing anything. But you put out a sequel album. You put out Rolling Papers 2. Yeah, not a sequel. Well, it doesn't sound like the first Rolling Papers. I'm just busting your butt. It sounds totally different. Okay. But, because I would never try to recreate the sound of something. Like, that's just horrible to me. But what I'm saying is a lot of artists...

get caught up in, you know, it's easy to try to, you know, supply the fans what they're telling you they want. They're like, yo, go back to this, do this, because that's their connection with the music. So you feel like, oh, okay, they know what they're talking about because they know what they want to hear. So it's hard to break away from that and be like, nah, I'm going to program y'all to hear a whole totally different side of me. These are the beats that I like now. This is the subject matter that I want to talk about now. It's difficult for artists to

you know, be on this road with their fans and then take them on a whole nother road. So you got to you got you have to lead. Yeah. But you can't get too far ahead. Yeah. You can't get it's like when someone's following you in their car. Right. You can't you can't lose it. True.

Make sure they're still behind. But some people, they don't follow. Some people, they get stuck. They just want that same thing over and over. They're not down with the change or they're not accepting of it and they want to tell you what was better or what you can do. Music is always going to have a nostalgic element because it's so primal and you...

hear it when you're doing other things and then you relate them together and very often they're good things. That's why anyone who's ever had one hit can work for the rest of their life because somebody got laid to that hit and they want to when they're 40 and now they have money to go see a band, they want to go see the people who they first had sex with.

That makes sense. You know what I mean? That kind of thing. Not just sex, of course. Yeah, it could be like made out or whatever. Or just they're youthful. Everyone has... Had a good time. Yes. I mean, everyone has youthful memories that are special and so you want to... So, you know, the Rolling Stones are always going to have to play Satisfaction, even though they must be bored to tears with it. But, you know, then they would love to play...

stuff that they've done in this century, but they can't because they're imprisoned by their set list. But that's a band that's been around. I mean, they're literally 80. 80. Can you imagine doing this at 80? Yeah, that's crazy. It's amazing. And a little crazy. I mean, yeah, it's good. I fuck with it.

Yeah, I mean, by the time you're 80, it'll just be an AI of you. You know, I mean, it'll just, you don't even have to leave your house. I'll probably still be doing it. You'll be doing it virtually. I'll probably still be outside. Virtually. You don't have to even fucking get up. I'll get up. I'll bust one real quick.

But, you know, so the sweet spot is to, yes, okay, I'm going to play some old stuff that you love, but then, you know, we're going to move on. We're going to live in the year we're living in, and we're going to be the age we are. Right.

Because, you know, if your fans came up with you, now they're 35. Now they got a kid. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I agree. I totally agree. Yeah. And saying how difficult it is doesn't take away from the responsibility. You got to fucking do the scary thing. And like you said, keep people up to date if you want to fucking keep doing this shit. And criticism, it comes with the game, like...

Our fan bases these days, they could be, you know, they could be a lot. But it's called following us for a reason. You fucking follow us online. Like, you know what I mean? So, yeah, don't get too carried away. There's a great comedian who once said, the only safe thing is to take chances. Not for real. So you keep that in your heart. That's what I will leave you with, Mr. Wiz, because I got to go take a whiz. All right.

Not the fucking first time I heard that. Thank you. I really appreciate you making time to come here. I know you're a busy guy and a very popular guy. Thank you, too.