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I actually think that Trump out of office... For good reason. Well, was a good thing for your show because it allowed you to... It's not about my show, Candace. No. That's insulting. No, no, no, no. I don't believe in that. I don't believe in chips. Look, I think we've established tonight we've all got our own... We've all got our things. We've all got our own things. We've all got our things.

Hello. Who is hiding in my hideout? This is awesome. This is actually a really sick man cave. How are you? My husband has one, but it's a lot smaller. It's not a man cave because I'm not a husband. It's a man cave. It's not. It's an eye club. Yeah, but men need caves even if they don't have wives. No.

- Nope, nope. - I think they do. - This is a nightclub. You don't hear it. Oh, I see you're with child. - I've been with child for three years. I've been pregnant for three years. I've had a baby in 2021. This is like my permanent state now. I'm basically an elephant. - You do know that science knows what causes this now? - Do they know? I actually have been trying to figure it out for the last three years 'cause it feels like it's a medical condition. - So you're like having Irish twin? - Literally, I have a two-year-old, a one-year-old, and this one's due in November. - Oh, wow.

I've been pregnant for three years. So I think it's gonna be weird when I'm not pregnant anymore. I'm gonna be like, I don't know what to do with myself. And what's that like when you're always pregnant? Honestly? It's gotta be rough. It's not. I feel like everyone has this like cultural understanding of pregnancy. And I think a lot of women play it up.

Cultural? No, I feel like there's this alien gnawing on you from the inside. Yeah, but it's not that big of a deal. I've got to be honest with you. Really? For some women, obviously you can look at them and you can tell which ones are having what looks like an allergic reaction, right? And they have a rough go with it, but some people just do pregnancy pretty easily. And I'm one of those people that just kind of like, it doesn't really...

change anything. So you're just going to keep going? No, I wanted to do it all back to back because I didn't want to be, I don't know what parents do, but like we had a kid and we waited five years for the next one. I'm like, who wants to like restart and take out all the bottles? And I just was like, if I'm getting pregnant, I'm just going to have all of my kids back to back. Right. And then one, poof, poof.

Yeah, I think it's genius. So you do believe in birth control. You're not doing it. I actually don't believe in birth control. No? You're just doing it the Catholic way, just like whatever happens? My husband's so Catholic. Like, beyond. He's Catholic. But then you could have 12 kids. I know. It's dangerous. Of course it is. It's completely dangerous. And stupid. I'm on your side.

What are you going to do? Trick them and take birth control? Yeah, I don't know. Catholics, they have a lot of kids. This is just... Yes. I didn't choose his life. That was a thing when I was a kid. Really. Where did you grow up? New Jersey. Okay, yeah, you definitely saw some 14 kids Catholic. In the 60s? Yeah. Of course. For sure.

But they were happy. But you don't want that to be you. I do kind of. I kind of want a school bus. Yeah. Yeah. Like my colleague, Matt Wall, she's got six kids. I feel I'm naturally competitive. Oh, my God. Yeah, I know. It's really bad. Well. It's bad.

I'm very, very competitive, so I feel like now I might just have six kids, seven just to beat them. It's really bad. Definitely bad for the planet. I know. Let's not get into that right away. Kids are bad for the planet. Well, everything... They're pretty eco-friendly, actually. Adults are bad for the planet. Well, they're not eco-friendly in the sense that they're going to have kids and, you know, you're just making more people who are using...

You know, people who argue about planets and, you know, Elon Musk. I don't understand his whole thing about, like, we should have more people. It's like, there's room. Of course there's room. It's not about room. It's about resources. We don't have the resources. We have the room. We just don't have... I read just the other day where the...

what do they call the groundwater? We've already like sucked out all the groundwater that we can possibly use. There's just not enough rain falling for like all your kids. It's all about you, Candace. Thank you. It's interesting because I've just kind of read this whole book debunking all of that, which...

I feel like in two years, you're going to have a totally different perspective on all that. Because I've seen your growth and where you were a few years ago to where you are now. And Elon Musk, I think, is probably pretty educated about the planet.

Well-- Resources? What do you think? No. No? Not necessarily. Not if-- not either of you, if you think that we can somehow keep putting people on the planet which has a finite amount of resources. Oh, look. There's my zucchini that I gave to-- I was looking for that. Look at that thing. Did you grow that? I did. And I gave it to--

Vivek when he was here a couple weeks ago. He didn't take it. He didn't take it. Yeah. Unless he took it and they put another one just like it in there, but I don't think that... Let me see that. Hand me that thing. I don't want to forget it. Did you actually grow this? Yes. It's actually a really big zucchini. I told him. I said, you were probably at the Iowa State Fair. Yeah. And this is probably the kind of thing that you would... I grow vegetables, and I just want to tell you because maybe he doesn't grow them. That's a very respectable zucchini. Would you like it? I actually would.

I actually love zucchini. Maybe it'll remind you not to get pregnant again. Right. Or now you're going to leave it there. It's going to wind up staying there again. No, it won't. I won't leave it. I actually love zucchini. Yeah, it's fantastic. Yeah, this is my favorite. I actually did cucumbers this year, and I got some pretty big cucumbers, but they're wretched to grow.

They just kind of grow out. It's almost a shame to have to cut into that, but you do. Yeah, you do. But don't you not believe in the moon landing? So I'm supposed to believe you about climate. I think it's so funny how people take... Well, first off, I know what I'm talking about with the climate stuff, so I'm just going to go ahead and promote... Well, you're not the only one. Yeah, well, I mean, I think you should probably realize that there is...

In the same way that there are narratives I think you're now more awake to, the climate hoax is one that funds trillions of dollars. And we are not running out of space. You could fit the entire world if you stacked it like New York City in Dallas. Fit! I just said. You said fit, but the point is that hurricanes are down. The whole idea that every time it rains it's because something bad is happening. It's okay. What I will agree with you on is this.

The environmentalists do often lie because they have this idea, this issue is so important, and by the way, it is so important, that it's okay if we shade the truth to get people on our side. And I don't agree with that. I'm always... You lied every time. Well, not every time. What was your climate disaster growing up? Mine was global warming. They don't even say it anymore.

They don't say global warming anymore? No, they don't. No, they say climate change. They went from global cooling. Maybe not in your bubble, but in the world they do. No, they don't. They went from global cooling to global warming. They never were in global. No one was ever talking about it. It was one. That's such a stupid talking point that you keep repeating. It's a zombie lie. It was one article in one magazine in one day that

one week in Newsweek or something. Nobody was talking about global cooling. Yes, we understand that the planet is always changing. That's a different story. There was a whole climate alarmism via the IPC for global cooling. No, there wasn't.

There was. But do you believe people landed on the moon? Well, let's just back that up. Because if you don't, then I think that sets a standard for this discussion. You are taking something that was a Twitter joke. You can't answer it? I'm going to answer your question, but I'm just trying because I think you should add context because what you're doing now is you're jumping away from an actual meaningful discussion about climate change and the hoax that's surrounding it and making people fearful to have children. And you're all going, well, didn't you once tweet when I said...

literally I said in the tweet it let's have some fun today what is one conspiracy theory that almost got you and that you think like could possibly be be real and I said the one that always gets me every time is the moon landing how come we haven't gone back and

So you're taking this one tweet where people then shared the things that they think that were not really serious or political on this long thread to now apply to a conversation about climate change. Okay, but just to be clear, people did land on the moon. I don't know. Okay, there we go. I don't know. I do know. I just want to know why we didn't go back. We did go back. Did we go back? To the moon? Were people on the moon? Okay. I'm asking a serious question. When did we go back?

When did we go back to people walking on the moon? 69, okay. July 20th, 1969. Yeah. We went back like 10 more times. Who went back? Who walked on the moon? America. No, but what were the astronauts' names? Educate me. Who the fuck remembers what the astronauts' names were? It's a pretty big deal to walk on the moon. The first guy, and then after that, yes. Who else walked on it? How many? I don't remember the name. Like another dozen. Wow. Yeah. Yeah.

Are you-- we-- OK. A lot of other dozen humans walked on the moon? Yes, Americans, all Americans. OK. We don't remember that. We kept going back.

Apollo 13 was the one they made the movie about. That was the one they aborted. But that was after we had landed. Apollo 11, I think, was the one... I'm not talking about space missions. I'm talking about actual people walking on the moon. Yes, landing on the moon and walking on it. First of all, it is an impressive scientific feat. It's not out of the realm of, like, how could that possibly happen? It's only 250,000 miles away. They had figured out enough to be able to do it, even with these shitty computers that they had in 1969...

Yes, it's risky, and we did lose people doing it. But we did do it. I mean, plainly. I mean, the idea that you could think...

think that this was some sort of hoax. I'm sorry, but it colors everything else. I'm just saying that like, I'm just not, you're, I feel like you're just trying to find this one. I've never talked about this on my show. You're literally talking about one funny tweet thread. It's relevant. It's really not that relevant. It's relevant that you won't say, absolutely people walked on the moon. It's relevant. I've

I feel that you are finding an angle here to try to talk about something that I've never talked about on my podcast. I've never talked to people on a debate. But it's out there. I read it. You probably had a producer dig up what you thought were the most absurd things.

Tweets. Like, there's no way you're saying it's out there. There's not even articles about this. It's so obscure that it's like literally, I mean, it said, like, let's have some fun. What are some of the things that, what are some conspiracy theories that you read that you have questions about? And I was like, the moon landing. First of all, I promise you, there is no production on this show.

No, it's a pretty niche thing. Of all the things I talk about and I'm known for, there wasn't even an article written about this about me. I wasn't planning to talk about it. Yeah, so it's like, how did you get here? You saw it on Twitter? I got here, somehow I knew it. But how?

Because it's out there. But it's not. It's not even in my Wikipedia. It's so obscure. It's so niche that I'm just curious about... I don't think that's the case because I think I read it in the Vanity Fair article about you. No. No? Nope. That's what I mean. It's not even relevant for... I've never ever had a single person sit down and ask me this question. Well, then I've done America a service because we find the baseline of your thinking. I'm sorry, but that is relevant that you don't think men landed on the moon. No, I just said I would...

First off...

What I specifically said was, I want to know why. And I think even Elon Musk said this in his time piece. Ask him about it. Yeah, I think he did address it in his time piece. I think he probably believes it happened. But I'm just not interested in this topic at all. So it's just like, you just came in so fiery about something that I am not known for. That was like an obscure tweet of like, it started with, let's have some fun. And it was in a joking manner. And suddenly you're like, how could you not believe the movie?

and I'm like the energy is like a little... My apologies. I don't want this to be adversarial. No, it was just surprising. If we hadn't gone on to global warming, I wouldn't have thought the moon. So I'm okay to have this topic. No, but I connected it to that because it was like, okay... But I'm in the public sphere talking about that. I've had experts on my show talking about, like Gregory Whitestone talked about his book about the

climate change hoax. I care deeply about that because of the implications and how the climate change hoax and the trillions of dollars that are basically disappearing for things like Paris Accord Agreement. I'm very much on record and sincere in talking about that. Not to beat a dead horse, but if you think the moon landing is a hoax, it colors my view of what you think of

the global warming being a hoax. But I never said the moon landing is a hoax. I said name one conspiracy theory that almost got you. I said I don't know anything about it.

I can't even debate you. You're sitting here telling me that 12 men have gone to the moon since. I don't know anything about it. And so I keep a very... I think that if there's one thing that people will say about me is I don't come into conversations about things that I don't know. So I'm not going to sit here and pretend to be an expert on the moon landing. But you're such a brilliant person. But on things that I actually know. Who's read about everything.

But I'm willing to because I don't care. Would you read about it? I literally don't. It's to me. Would you read about it? It's utterly inconsequential for the work that I do. Yeah, I would. That's why I said fun thread. Tell me this. Like we were like, tell me what's one conspiracy theory that you believe that we can look into. I mean, we really should pull the tweet because it's weird that you're making this so severe as if I was like on a talk show debating the moon landing. And so what I'm saying is I've never cared about this topic. Because it's an undebatable topic that you are making debatable. I did.

You're making it debatable. I don't think anyone watching this will think that I made this topic debatable. I think you've made this very debatable. All I told you was I sent a funny tweet, and it's a pretty obscure tweet that's never been ever discussed before today. How's life in Nashville? Nashville's real, right? Nashville is a real place, and I love Nashville. It's really great. Yeah. It's interesting. I was just in Austin.

Texas. And I feel like Austin and Nashville are the two places where the liberal diaspora, shall we call it, liberals who want to get away. And I certainly understand why. I live here in California. It is a ridiculous state that drives you insane. I totally get it. I'm too dug in here to make a change. And where else would I find Club Random? But I get it.

I feel like those are the two places they go. They go to Austin and they go to Nashville. Yeah. Because...

You're not really out in the sticks. I mean, Austin's a pretty liberal town. And any city is blue, right? Okay. So you're out of, like, the fire, but you didn't go to the frying pan. Am I-- Is that about right? Um, yeah. That's pretty much it. I mean, for us, we were also between Texas and Tennessee, for sure. We were probably between Chattanooga and Dallas. And we decided on Nashville

because I think a lot more opportunities were happening. There was a lot of LA people coming, starting studios, Daily Wire moved their studio from LA to Nashville. So it felt like the right place. And I think at that time I was having kids. So you sort of naturally crave the suburbs when you have kids, obviously, like the whole New York, D.C. And also, by the way, if I was a parent, well, first of all, it would be unholy hell if I was a parent because probably we're going to be on the same page on this shit. Some of the stuff that goes on in the schools,

is just so cray-cray, and I would not be able to keep my mouth shut about it. So I'm sure a state like Tennessee does not have laws that some of the blue states do where, like, you're... The parents are not allowed to be notified by the school. They're actually prohibited if the kid changes their gender.

Like they say that would be outing the student to a parent. Outing is a word we even use in connection with a parent. Shouldn't everything be out to the parent? Yeah. I'm sure I'm singing from your hymnal now. Am I allowed to have an opinion on this? No, I'm just trying to make up for my faux pas with the moon. I just don't care. I'm just being honest. I don't care about that at all. I literally not think about it and I wouldn't have ever picked a debate with somebody about something that I just...

don't care about, but this I care deeply about. And this is what I do a lot of work in the space of talking to parents and understanding how we've become so removed from our own children systematically. And you're right that places like L.A. and New York have become these...

major hubs where the state has gone too far. And I do a lot of work on other stuff too that you would think is weird and vaccine stuff for parents and kind of giving them a guide. - Oh no, I'm with you there. - Okay, I wasn't sure about that. And I produce an entire separate series talking about vaccines and sort of the increase and when I was a kid-- - I don't think vaccines are a hoax or anything, right?

I'm not a hoax, but do your kids need from 1982 to 6 to 75? I mean, my view, just to be clear, vaccines are a tool in the medical kit, just like antibiotics. And just like antibiotics, I wouldn't want to be told, everyone's taking them, so you have to too. Yeah, one size fits all. If I decide I need one for a certain pathogen and I'm at a place in my life where I think that...

that playing the odds, which is what medicine always is, that would be the smart thing. Okay. But forcing it and in children who never needed it for this, the least likely. And they're so sick. The kids have never been sicker. Right. Never been sicker. I start my series by asking, these kids have never been more vaxxed. We're the most vaxxed country in the entire world. You know, we have these high infant mortality rates when weighed against third world countries. And you're being told that this is because we're super healthy. You got kids 75 vaccines. When I was a kid, it was...

It was 12, you know, and there's been an explosion. People don't even know anything about the diseases. It's just these constant fear campaigns.

And then on top of that, in states like L.A., you can't opt out. So these are things that parents have to think about now, where you're literally raising your kids. Could you go to prison for saying that I don't want my child referred to as a different gender behind my back? Yes. Depending on where you live, they're trying to criminalize you being a parent. And then you add that to the medical complex. And maybe you say, I'm not afraid if my kid gets chicken pox. I got chicken pox. We get chicken pox parties. You can't do that in L.A.

You can't do it in L.A. And if you're a doctor and you say, oh, this parent didn't want their child to get the chickenpox vaccine, you'll get your license taken away in a place like L.A. I don't think parents realize why that's so scary. We can argue all day. You can call me anti-vax. I can call you pro-vax. But as parents, we should be able to make decisions for our children. I don't fear the chickenpox. That's all I was... I mean, yes, I would really...

not go over well in today's world if I was a parent. I would just be in fights and it would just be ugly. And then my kids, my hat is off to anyone who is a parent today because I honestly feel it has never been harder to be a parent because you're not allowed to boss them around. What's the fucking point?

fucking point of having kids if you can't boss them around? And also, how could you possibly control a feral little monster like that if you couldn't boss them around? I know. It's insane that they treat them like they're just short people. Like, yeah, adults. And that's weird, too. I was actually talking with somebody that was here before you came in here about sort of the L.A. spell, because it is, there's something weird about parents...

in this particular bubble, this particular part of L.A., where they think that the children are adults. You know, we don't want to tell our child no. I met a parent that said that. We don't believe in telling our child no. And I just said, okay, well, he rapes someone who's 13. And he says, my mom never taught me the word no. There were no boundaries. I mean, whose fault is that going to be? I mean, it's...

This country reminds me of like a medieval European country where a five-year-old ascends to the throne and inherits it. And so all the courtiers have to pretend that whatever brain fart comes out of the mouth of this five-year-old toddler, yes, is something that we have to take seriously and treat as valid and debatable.

That's what this country is. That is very accurate. That was a very incredible analogy. Pockets of the country, though, I would say. Pockets, particularly here. Right. You don't see that stuff in Tennessee. Well, that's the point. Yes, ma'am. No, sir. You know what I mean? And they don't play around with that stuff. And that's what I love about this town. And that's why I completely understand why people move to places like Austin and...

and Nashville. And this is what they attack me for so vigorously when I did my editorial about trans, which I feel like, again, a great demarcation between what liberal is, old school liberal and woke. Liberal believes trans is, of course, a real thing and they should be protected and respected. Woke is like, well, before they can tie their shoe, we tell them they very likely might be in the wrong body.

I ran your segment on my podcast, actually, because it was brilliant. Oh, great. Yeah. On Real Time, you did the segment talking about, okay, if this is a real thing, sort of show this geography. Why is it regional? That's a brilliant point. That's what I was saying. Yeah. It was brilliant. Why is it so regional? Yeah. Is it the water here in California? It might be. Because I've been to dinner parties, more than one, where there's 12 people and they're all talking about their trans kids.

It's almost like that's the norm. And that can't really be the norm. I mean, I get it that things happen in nature, you know, mix up at the factory, whatever you want to call it. Nature, you know, I know the religious people like to call it, you know, what do they say, intelligent design.

It's not that intelligent in a lot of ways. I mean, in a lot of ways it is, but there's a lot of stuff about the human body and the way we're built and the way we, you know, like phlegm, I feel like. It's very often unnecessary and only makes things worse. I wish I could talk to my own body and say, we don't need this phlegm. You know, I know you're trying to help, but...

You know, you're not really helping because I don't think it's stopped. I think it's giving a place for the bacteria to nestle in. Right. Well, actually, it's funny because it's not going to be as I call up a bunch of. I was reading this. I don't know what causes it. Yeah, I can't figure out what. But there must be there must be something objectively good about phlegm. And I'm interested in this is the kind of random things that I'll research on the Internet. Like what actually is the purpose of one?

But there was a real housewife, and I cannot, I will not name her because I got in trouble on YouTube for talking about it, even though she talked about it first and came out and said she's got like two, she's got four kids. Dad's a doctor, brilliant doctor, but Beverly Hills. So, you know, here we go. How brilliant can you really be?

And especially now that doctors don't know the difference between the sexes. And they've got like two non-binary children, one gay child and one trans child. Say that slower. Two non-binary children. Non-binary, meaning? They are not bound to any sex.

How old are they? All of these children are like 12, maybe 15 and under. So non-binary, would that be the same as bisexual? I'm not sure, and I don't want to get us into trouble because these definitions change and they're fluid, and the second you don't get the update to your phone... The children are fluid, too. Yes, but also a trans child...

and like a gay child. And I'm like, this is a statistical impossibility, obviously. And they kind of came out and said, obviously, this is a statistical impossibility. Something's going on in your house, and I'm going to guess it's a lack of parenting, right? Because these are just things-- I didn't graduate high school with a single effing non-binary child. So this is made up, right? And you're telling me all of your children have this thing that didn't exist when I was in high school in 2007, but now all of your children are suffering from this thing?

You know, and that's kind of, I think, the litmus test for me is like, okay, if this is a real thing, why did this just not exist at all when I was in school? And it's not like they're playing catch up. It's not like now suddenly kids are going back from my high school class and saying I'm trans. They're not. We had gay kids, a couple of lesbian kids, you know, and everyone else was, you know, that was it. You know, now they've got so many options to choose from, from the infinite range.

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Like, we both say things that make people on both sides mad. We say some things they like and some things they don't. Yeah, just a lot of people. But when we're in agreement about something, I think people feel the same about me in this way. Like, when they do agree, it's like...

That person really, I mean, rubs my clit on that, the way they do that. They really, I just love you so much when you go off on something that deserves to be gone off on. And I feel like people feel that at Webster. They do. Like when I go off on something and it deserves that ass kicking and you do it. I mean, you're funny. I saw you doing the Eminem thing where you were like...

You were making fun of all his moves. I just don't know what happened. I know, but it was really funny. I mean, the way you just like, and I like Eminem. I do too. But you made him look ridiculous. Because he's a dick. He's now just ridiculous. I mean, you met Vivek Ramaswamy. It's like you're picking on like Vivek Ramaswamy, Eminem. He is? That's what I was mimicking him.

because... He was talking about Trump nuking the world. Yeah, that was, yeah, I was going back and just showing how, you know, the fall of Eminem, but the segment that I was doing was just about, like, he keeps doing this. We get it, you don't like Republicans, you don't like conservatives, but what Vivek did was so harmless. I mean, he was in front of, like, six kids rapping some Eminem lyrics, and Eminem lawyered up against him. But I did advise Vivek when he was here... To stop rapping? Yes. Yeah.

It's that it's not real. No, really. Right. It's just not a good look. It's, you know, he reminds me so much of that character from Mean Girls. He's like a true academic, high achieving, nice guy. Have you ever seen Mean Girls? Of course. Mathletes. Mathletes. OK, right. And then there's the indie guy who raps on stage and he's like, sucka, sucka, sucka MCs ain't got nothing on me. But he's cooler than that. He's cool. No, the guy is cool. Cool.

But he's a high-achieving mathlete who also likes hip-hop. He's into these different things. And I loved having Vick on my show. I thought he was super inspirational. I like that he kind of has been staying above the fray because I'm super fatigued with politics right now. Well, he's a lot more on your page with some of these issues like global warming than I am. And he's brilliant. As I said to him, I find you very disarming and also alarming. Yeah. Yeah.

But that's me. And I think some of it is performative. He will not admit that he wants to be the vice president. But of course Trump is going to be the nominee. So they're only running for vice president at this point. Would you not agree? No, no, no, no, no. Obviously, Ron DeSantis is not running to be Trump's vice president. Right? Absolutely not. Nikki Haley is not running. He's 44. Why wouldn't he take that? Of course he would. Oh, no, he won't. No, he won't. They hate each other. They hate each other. Yeah.

He's not running to be vice president. Do you think that Lyndon Johnson and John F. Kennedy didn't hate each other? You think hating someone is...

disqualifies you to serving with them as vice president? No, I could see Tim Scott. It's practically a qualification. I could see Tim Scott doing the VP thing, but I think they're all after something else because you can also run to get your name out because you have, you want to run again in four years. You're just kind of, you know, testing the water. But Vick's young enough that the VP office doesn't seem for me to be his goal. I could be wrong. But if I could go back just to the VP thing, only because, like, I've watched a little more history because you're so young. So young. So young. I wasn't even alive for the moon landing. So young.

The what? What happened? I doubt it. Child. But, like, usually, I'm telling you, the vice president and the president hate each other because they just ran against each other. And the guy picks as the vice president very often the person who...

is kind of the runner-up who wants to bring in that coalition and also the guy who like sort of fits the thing that he doesn't do. George Bush picked Dan Quayle because like I'm old and experienced and this little boy, you know, they used to have him on Saturday Night Live as a child.

It was funny. I get what you're saying. So I don't think, I think they all, you don't think Nikki Haley? No, I think she's going for like, she's running to secure wealth because she started her career. To do what? Well, she was like millions of dollars into debt, right? And now she's got money pouring into her coffers. I think they have, they all have incentives and I'm not saying any of them are pure, but I think they're different incentives. I think Nikki is motivated by money and I think that she, like Vivek said on stage, is actually looking for a deal with like Raytheon or something.

This is how much they all wanted to... I noticed they...

many of them purposely, I'm sure they know better, mispronounced Vivek's name. They did. Just to get the idea. This person, foreigner, funny name. Vivek, is it? Viveka? What is your name? But when Nikki Haley did it, fellow Indian American, I was like, oh, Nikki, not you too? You don't know how to say his name? I know. I don't think so. Yeah, I don't know. How did you think she did?

Um, as good as she could. As good as you could do in that format. Um, I thought she... Look, it's gonna be Trump and whoever he wants.

Pence obviously isn't running to be vice president, right? Right. See, they all have different reasons that they're running. No, he might be deluded enough to think that Jesus will decide it should be him, and that's really what he thinks makes the difference in the world is what Jesus decides. I mean, I remember having a discussion with the old dorm room bullshit session with my sophomore roommate, and we talked about it. I forget what the issue was for like two hours, and finally he just said,

Well, because I think Jesus Christ will come down and blah, blah, blah. And I was like, why did I waste two hours? If that's what you really think about how this issue is going to get resolved, Jesus Christ is going to come down and...

do this and ABC. And I think that's Mike Pence. You think Mike Pence is running because you think Christ ordained him? I think he's running because he thinks it's in God's hands and he's a very good friend of God. And like, it doesn't look good right now, but Jesus can perform miracles because we know that because of

Bread and loaves and, you know, stuff walking on water. I take it you're a devout atheist. Devout. Okay, gotcha. I think probably Pence is running because he doesn't know what to do next. You know, he like...

Ran a state, became the vice president. What's the next natural progression to think that you can be president? And also because he kind of tried, he wants to separate his brand from Trump, which I think he feels like got murky and there's some genuine bad blood there. So I don't, I actually- Oh, there's definitely some bad blood there. Yeah, but I don't think any of them are running to be Trump's VP because they all trashed him on the stage. But they, because the only one Trump would consider- Trashed him? Trump. They kissed his ass. Trump?

Yeah. The only one who trashed him was Chris Christie. Chris Christie trashed him. DeSantis said nothing, to be fair. DeSantis didn't say anything the whole night. They all raised their hand when they said... DeSantis did the... Well, okay, but they raised their hand, except for Christie, when they said, would you support him as the nominee? I mean, that's pretty amazing for a guy who's, you know, probably going to be convicted for what he should be convicted for, and I'm sure we agree on this, Candace. Definitely sure we agree on this. About, you know...

trying to overthrow the government of the United States. You're just not, like...

You're not a weak enough person to really like I don't buy this this I think you I think you dance this way because you think you have to play Kate Okay, first of all, I was first of all, like just to educate you almost lost America on January 6th I just don't buy that you that you're that soft. Yeah, I do I'm just to educate you a little on this I was saying this for five years when everyone was laughing at me for saying this that Trump would never concede the election and he would never go away and

I was all alone on a raft. But I mean, you saw BLM riots, right? Yeah. The summer leading up to this, right? Where like you, I lived in DC at this time where you couldn't go outside, cars were flipped, things were burned, people were boarding up their windows. But you thought the end of democracy, you can say this meaningfully, happened when people above the age of like 65,

stormed the Capitol. You thought that was the worst thing you've ever seen in American politics. Well, I mean, what was the worst thing? That was a small part of a bigger picture. The worst thing was that finally we had a president after all this history that we've had. Nobody ever did this. Not Al Gore and not Nixon, who probably didn't actually lose their elections. They allowed this

peaceful transfer of power to happen. We finally had a guy who decided, of course, because he's insane, decided that no matter what happens, I won this election. There's only two things that could possibly happen. I win the election, or if I don't win the election, there must have been some cheating. It was looked at by

His own people around him, including the Homeland Security Department, including the Director of National Intelligence, including every court, federal and state, including his own lawyers, his daughter, Bill Barr, everybody told him, you lost this election. They looked at this over and over again. Even the Republican vote counters, like the one he called who said, fine me 11,000 more votes. Even those people told him.

So plainly, he did not accept losing the election. And then he tried to put in a bun. This is why he's on trial. It's not for lying. But I'm just asking if you believe that that day, as the media presenter, we're talking about media hoaxes. I give you my answer. It's not just that day, although that was part of a scheme. I mean, it's not like coincidence that they showed up on the very day that they were certifying the vote at the very place they were doing it to stop that from happening.

That's not a coincidence. And did you have any questions about why the FBI hasn't been able to find, since we started with media hoaxes, do you think it's strange that they haven't been able to find who dropped off the pipe bombs the night before? Because I think that's the strangest piece of stuff. What pipe bombs? Oh, this is some red herring bullshit. No, no, no, no, not right now. This is in the news. You can watch this on MSNBC. You know, remember, the night before on January 5th, there were pipe bombs that were dropped

set outside of the RNC and the DNC headquarters, right? And this was a part of the whole thing. Bombs were about to go off, but they were able to get the bombs out. This is why AOC sent you to fly for all this stuff. So I'm asking you, do you have more pressing questions about why they have not been able to find the person that dropped off those pipes? I will have to look into that the way you'll have to look into the moon thing. Fair, okay.

I think that's a very big piece for a lot of people, of just understanding what actually happened on that day. As I said before, I don't trust the media on anything because they never give you the full story. So I will allow that there could be this element to the story that is part of the story. I don't think it will probably change my mind that Donald Trump would not concede an election, kept saying it was a fake and that he had all these...

reasons to believe that people had voted, like 10,000. He said to the refs and burger on the call, I actually corrected him and said, you know, you claim that there was 10,000 dead people who voted in Georgia. We looked and we looked and we looked. It was two. That sums it all up. There was actually two.

Now, he's not on trial for lying. You're apparently allowed to lie to the American people about elections, even though nobody ever really did that before. But okay. He's on trial for breaking specific laws. Forgery. Well, I mean, Stacey Abrams tested her election and said that it was... Well, that's... Let's just be... Yes, but okay, you're right. I concede. Okay. Hillary Clinton took a very long time. Actually, I don't think she's still...

was there before the night was over in her purple suit conceding the election. She slept in. You're wrong. No, I'm not wrong. John Podesta came to the podium and said it was before dawn of the next day. OK, my point is that saying that there was a point. No, I didn't lose my point. My point is that you're saying that Hillary, you were Hillary conceded as soon as it was obvious that she lost the more the thing that I'm trying to get you to to say, though, we know that you hate Trump. That has been a

Yes, we do. I actually think that Trump out of office... For good reason. Well, was a good thing for your show because it allowed you to... It's not about my show, Candace. No. That's insulting. No, no, no, no. It's insulting to... I'm saying because people that weren't watching your show... You didn't let me finish my sentence. You can't be told that my sentence I didn't finish. No, but you keep implying that I'm...

that did not watch your show because there was so much dedication to talking about Trump during those years then were switched on to your show because you moved on and you started talking about other topics that were crucial and I think brought in more of a conservative base. That's not insulting to say. Yeah, it is. Can we just have this professional courtesy that I will, I concede and I believe you believe everything you say. Give me the same courtesy. I said I believe you hate

I believe you hate Trump. Well, you're saying I'm doing things for ratings or to bring in a different audience. I never do anything. I actually believe that literally amongst my audiences, more conservatives started watching you post-Trump. Myself included. That's not a bad thing. I'm sorry I said you got a bigger audience now. Oh my gosh. You're going to call yourself a new person.

No, no, no. You ascribed a reason to it that's not true. I do have a bigger conservative audience and a less woke audience, probably. More people who are common sense centrist. Good. Fine. I didn't do it for that reason. I never said you did it for that reason. I did not imply that. Okay, fine. I didn't. I genuinely meant what I said. Okay.

Yeah. I just say what I really think. When Trump got out of office, you started focusing on different topics other than Trump. People were able to see that. Well, he wasn't president anymore, of course. I'm not faulting you. I'm just making a comment that I think that your audience base has gotten a lot bigger since Trump left office. Some people might even take that as a compliment.

Different. Crazy, but some people might take us as a compliment. Thank you. Well, for that part, yeah. Yeah, because you're talking about, like we just talked about, like, you know, trans kids and bringing up geography and things. And I think that while Trump was in office, and this is not just your show, it was...

Even my show, I think everything was about Trump. Everything was about Trump. I agree. Right? And it's never been that way for any other president. Not everything was about Obama. Because other presidents weren't a nut like that. We have definitely, I think...

I believe that there... And we can disagree on this. I think that from the second he announced that he was coming down, there was a media obsession with taking him down like I have never seen. It actually woke me up. I was on the liberal side, and it turned me into a conservative. It was vicious. It was nasty. It was calling him things that he wasn't. You didn't participate in that. But pretending that Trump was a vowed racist that was trying to bring back the Klansman was a little bit dramatic. But that happens with every president and everybody who gets that high up in the tree. You know, when...

I don't know how far back it goes, probably to George Washington, when a person is the one who's going to be in power, the people who want to prevent that, who think oppositely of how he thinks or she thinks.

Yes, that's what they do. They try to destroy. They didn't try to destroy Obama. Not in the way that they come on Trump. You had the Lisa Blue period where you had 85 million women that came out of the woodwork with allegations. And where were you guys? He's been in the public sphere for the last 30 years. He's had shows. Where were you guys through allegations of Roy announced running president? I mean, it was so obviously a ratchet job. And these things matter to you because

It doesn't matter. Well, one of them's on tape. It doesn't matter. One of them's right from the horse's mouth saying, I grabbed pussy. He didn't say, I grabbed pussy. He did! He said, he was talking about groupies. He said, they will literally let you do anything, including grab them by the P word. He wasn't talking about groupies.

Yeah, he was. He never said that word. He said, when you're a star. Yes. That's quite a leap to say we're just talking about groupies. And by the way... He didn't say, I grabbed this woman by the P word. And I think that's a part of what I say when we have these media hoaxes. Just be honest. He said, you can grab them by the pussy. He said, you can grab them by the pussy. Yeah. And...

You can do anything. You can grab them by the pussy. Yeah, these girls, when they see a star, that's literally, by the way, just to be clear, that's a fact. Just to be clear, you shouldn't do that, right? But you shouldn't, yes. But let's just be honest about what he said. This is locker room talk. Men talking about, you know, I hang out with a lot of athletes about women that throw themselves on them simply because of who they are, and they'll let you do anything to them. We do live in this, you know...

economy of women who will quite literally let men, especially now with the birth of OnlyFans and TikTok and Verizon becoming a star, that if you are a star, they will let you do whatever they want. And then the media pretended he said, I personally went in and grabbed a woman by the P word. It's lucky. Is it crass? Yes. Do women also speak crass when men aren't looking? Yes. I'm very much...

I'm not saying this is great speech and I would love to hear if my husband was saying this about, but I'm just trying to be rational and not be like me too crazy and acknowledge that both men and women have locker room talk. I have an important question. Where can I find these women? Yeah.

I'm sure you've had your fair share, Phil, in Los Angeles where everyone's trying to be a star or be in the industry or sleep with the star of women that have thrown themselves on you. I live strictly for America and what I can do. And Jesus Christ, right? Well, not Jesus Christ, but I live strictly to educate, to edutain America. That's where all my energy goes. I wish I had time for some of these diversions. So got you.

You know exactly what he was saying. And that was something that I also hated too because I'm like, I'm very against the Me Too movement. I'm very against all of this like rabid feminism. I don't like the idea of... I actually think it does really bad for relations between men and women to pretend like some things are not abundantly true. That we don't have a culture of groupies and hoes and thoughts and music videos. Yes, we do. We do, and it's fine. And not every woman is like this. And I wouldn't love to hear my husband say it, but I also would be like,

Right. Or girls that would let you do anything to them. Right. It's funny that we can admit about men that they're dogs because most of them are. But we can't admit that girls are sluts? But we can't. That feels not fair. Well, I feel fewer women are sluts than males are dogs. And I just learned that you are not on OnlyFans, which is lovely. That I'm what? That you're clearly not on OnlyFans. Where they're literally selling their bodies for a certain price. Oh, God, no. Yeah.

Yeah, now there's AI OnlyFans. They're not even real people and men are giving all their money to it. And it's getting pretty crazy. I mean, I know that we're always concentrating in this country on how we can help women and we certainly should. But the truth is the people who are lost, I mean, they're both lost. Everyone's lost. Yeah. But the people who are really lost and don't have their shit together are men. I mean, women are killing it in college.

They're doing better in the workplace. Lower suicide rates. Yes, they're more to get. More college graduates. And I think this is perfectly emblematic of why men are just lost. I mean, if you can't even be a sleazebag right,

You can't even fucking, I mean, we've given up on having a healthy relationship or even the kind of life I've lived where I've had healthy relationships but never got married. Okay, I'm not a crazy person and I'm not an unfeeling person and everything is very real. We've given up on all that and now we're just like,

to degrees of how you're going to be a John and you pick, I don't even actually get laid.

That's sad on so many levels. Men are struggling. They really are struggling. And I think it's... Where did this come from? What's your theory? I think pornography is really harming men and it's everywhere and it's so available and it's at your fingertips. Could not agree more. And when they're introduced too young, it completely establishes their brain pathways in a way that ruins them for life. You know what I mean? You shouldn't be introduced to that sort of... And I don't even want to call it pornography because

It's something else now. I didn't see porn on my computer until really maybe five years ago because I was kind of afraid. I heard about cookies and like, are they actually knowing what I'm looking at? And then, of course, the first time I saw Pornhub, I was hooked. But magazines was always the way it was. And I saw them. There was a big controversy in the 70s when Hugh Hefner had to decide whether he wanted to show pubic hair. They had no pubic hair. You did not see pubic hair. And this is when they had pubic hair.

Yeah, exactly. He had to decide between that and the American car company's accounts, which was big, because advertising was a big part of where you made your money in magazines. And Ford and General Motors were not going to advertise in a place that showed pubic hair. Right. And then I'm sure they did, probably in the ad. Probably, yeah. Okay, so then I remember Penthouse comes along. I mean, it was basically stills from porn movies. What decade? This is...

This is probably around 2000, I think. Maybe the 90s, you could see that. I mean, yeah, I think in the 90s, absolutely. There were lots of magazines, Gent and Cherie and Wee. Not that I knew all of them. Shaved Asian. Okay, I knew all of them. But like, I remember you passing the magazine stands in New York when I lived in the 90s. And there was like

dozens of these kind of magazines for very specific kinks. So it was moving toward that direction. And then we come to where every kid has a little computer in their hands. And there's no more plots. I mean, there's no more. I mean, I remember the old porn movie where it was like a Broadway play, except instead of breaking into song, they'd break into fuck every 15 minutes. But you'd have to kind of wade through the pizza delivery guy. And, you know, OK, then finally they get to it.

Now it's just right to it and it is you're so right I'm telling you as someone who's seen the whole arc of it. It's rapey in a way It never was it's ugly. It's just ugly. It doesn't turn me on. Yeah, it's deviant and this is people are How it's impacting people and their productive relationships and how they how they think you know sex is supposed to be had or attained so we've come a very long way and

And now we're talking about the introduction of pornography as a topic in the school system, which is now a thing, right? Like normalizing pornography. I learned actively in school that you should watch porn. It's super healthy. Well, now this is...

Maybe right before porn became as deranged as it is today And you're thinking that they're now learning that it's healthy to watch porn and then when they're exposed to porn They're watching something that just cannot be good for their their Neuro pathways like they get it cannot be good for their brains to think of this as a normal sexual relationship And for men obviously women are different biologically We don't have the same instincts that men have when it comes to sex and I think are we allowed to say that? Men women are different biologically

No. No, I did not mean that. We are the same. We are exactly the same. But it's rendering them weak. We're so different. Yeah, it's rendering men very weak. Self-control, impulse, everything. And it's incredible when I talk about porn on my podcast, how many men respond and say, I've been struggling with this addiction for years. Yes. I want help. Men don't talk about this anymore. We're all struggling with this. It's porn is everywhere. I opened my Instagram. Well, I've been struggling with that addiction, and I don't want help.

Because it's fantastic. Well, you can lead the charge. Well, you know, it's not unhealthy to, like, have a fantasy life with your porn girlfriends or your people in the magazines all those years. I mean, it releases tension. You don't always have a girlfriend. Yeah, I would push back on that. I think that porn is really unhealthy for men, and I think that... Any porn? I think...

I think, and I have noticed this, by the way, in speaking to Dennis Prager, because he grew up with the magazines, that the understanding for what it is now... He looks like a pervert. Well, it's just very different. You know what I find to be the sickest perversion of all, and married people admit to it. They admit that...

It's so boring to have sex that they freely think of other people when they're having sex. I find that to be the worst perversion of all. You're basically masturbating inside another human being who you supposedly love more than anybody else while you're thinking about the...

Checkout girl at Kroger. Episode of Black Mirror. What? Or like an episode of Black Mirror was talking about this, like in the potential for tech to meet that moment where people could be wearing goggles and also having... Right. And that could happen.

But essentially you are wearing goggles, but it's inside your head. Yeah. I mean, I just don't get that thing of like, yeah, that's cool. You know, we have sex and, you know, just thinking about anybody but her or him. Why didn't you get married? That's very actually quite unusual. That's why. I mean, that's the main reason. I cannot accept a life without hot sex. Did you ever get close? Yes. Yeah. How many times? Twice. Twice. Yeah. And then cold feet on your part?

No, three times. Three times. Yes, I would say. You got close. Yeah, I got close. I mean, I was engaged when I was 29. Okay.

You know, but I kind of knew even as we were engaged and buying the ring and all that stuff, I just, there was a voice in my back of my head always saying, really? You're just going to fuck this one person forever? So it was about the sex? Yeah, I told you. Yeah. So I think that that does show that pornography and sex is something. Yeah.

that is not a good thing. You may be right. You may be right. It prevented you from unlocking this thing. And you're right. Black focus. You could be right. This whole other side of your life that's so beautiful, wonderful, that you never get to. And so I think, and then now you times that by just porn everywhere. Porn when you are just literally walking down the street and you see an ad and you're like, oh, I don't know why she has to be naked to sell me this purse, but apparently she has to be naked. I mean, it's also the case that, you know, take the sex out of the equation.

I mean, is anyone really that interesting that the only person you want to spend this much time with? I mean, you know, Annie Mame said that. Many people. And I said outside of marriage, too. I mean, I wish every day, actually today is my grandpa's death anniversary, that he's one person I could speak to every day.

I would get rid of six friends to only be able to speak to my grandfather as my friend. Yeah, there are people that are that interesting. Did he raise you? Yeah. Oh. Yeah. And to be able to have those conversations with him, like there are people that are just that interesting. Why didn't your parents raise you? Well,

Well, we lived in my grandparents' house, but my grandfather was the patriarch of the home without question. So he, you know, set the breakfast and made us breakfast and read the Bible to us and really instilled the values, even though I did go a very liberal route to conservatism. You know, I thought I was a liberal. I kind of went back to. What were his politics? He didn't have any. He didn't. He didn't. He was a conservative, but he was not politically inclined.

conservative in terms of met my grandma when he was 17. But like, what did you think of John F. Kennedy? He was probably a young man. See, I wish he was still alive. I wish I was alive so I could talk about the moon. Oh, yeah. Now that we're talking about it. Yeah, but there are so many people, and especially now as people...

lack so much depth and so much character. And, you know, it's even fine for me, it's difficult to even find interesting friends. So I get what you're talking about. Do I want to talk to this person forever? No, but my grandfather, people that lived. What would your grandfather have said about the people who say like, um, racism has never been worse. Yeah. It's funny you say that because I was kind of the first politically inclined person in my show, in my family. And it was interesting to kind of see, um,

how everyone reacted to it. And my grandfather, I cared very deeply about what my grandfather thought about me. Very deeply. I care very deeply about what my grandfather thinks about me. And he...

Called me up one day and I happened to have been invited to speak about the rise of white supremacy in front of Congress And I've ever seen that clip of me. Mm-hmm. My granddad was sitting behind me and when I did my opening statement I said that part of the reason that I am so compelled to dispel this narrative is because I got up with real racism My grandfather had the real Klansman shooting inside of his home in Fayetteville, North Carolina. He was a boy and

and how insulting for me to harness what he lived through. I haven't lived through a day of that in my life because I want clicks and views and for people to feel bad for me. That should make people sick when they do that, when they pretend. And that's all I'm ever asking. And my granddad, what's so crazy about it, I read about this in my book, and why I'm the way I am today, is that when my grandfather would go into these stories about the Klansmen who hated his dad, and I think it was because his dad was, you know, you know, being...

the kind of person that might whistle at a white girl. You know what I mean? But anyways, when they hated his father, he'd go back in the story and he'd say, we run in the back of the house, me and the kids. My grandpa was one of 12 and we'd run under the bed. One of 12. One of 12, yeah. And you're carrying on the tradition now. Exactly. My granddad would say, and then my daddy would grab a shotgun and speak back at them and shoot back at them boys. Like so powerful. Not this like, you know, oh my God.

college is not acceptable. It's like, we're just, black people have gotten weak. And it saddens me because we were funny. You know, the concept for me of comedians, black people being able to turn pain into humor, funnier than everybody else. Always from this position of strength. And I had so much pride in that growing up. I had pride in my grandfather, pride in black America. And to see it all suddenly dissipate for me with the rise of the BLM narrative.

you know, this idea that like, no matter what, no, whenever Bill Maher's thinking, he just sees me as like, that's a horrible, toxic. I want to be able to make fun of you for your race. I want you to make fun of me. I want us to be able to talk stereotypes because they're real and they're funny. And I've seen you like take people apart, like about black dorms. Yeah. Black only dorms. I saw you with the guy, I forget who it was, but I mean, you, when you chop someone up,

You do it like nobody's business. And again, when I'm agreeing with you, it's just such a pleasure to watch that. And that's all I'm ever asking. And I've been, you know, there are lots of idiot commentators like Bill Maher's a...

I just want the truth. Just don't lie to me. But don't you miss being able to make fun of each other in like a feel-good way? Go watch the old stand-up comedians. They would walk in, they'd be on stage, and they would just literally, you could not survive. You were Chinese, you're getting a joke. You're black, you're getting a joke about your, and everyone is being offended and everyone's laughing. And when they walk,

out, they're closer. Closer. Closer. Because you need to have it taken out. You do. Now when you're walking on eggshells, see, I can't make a joke because if it's taken the wrong way. You've got to issue an apology. Right. And that way we don't get close. Yeah. We never get closer. We never get closer. And I'm

I still keep that in my friendships. I make fun of my friends for, I'm like, oh, well, it's because you're black or that because you're Spanish. Oh, it's because you're Jewish. And that is why we are so close because we are able to. That is actually how people come together. And it's not to say that racism still doesn't exist. It's never going to go away. There's always going to be stupid people. Like there will all be criminals. Yes, exactly. The people are dumb. We get that. Right. Exactly. You're going to find these people. Is it in a country that's now 39% non-white? Mm-hmm.

And where most of the white people are not bigots anymore, they may not be as enlightened as you and your fucking chat room. Have you ever met a real racist? That's what makes you laugh about it. No, I'm serious. Because everyone gets accused of racism. But have you ever met like a real – like what always gets missed here is if you ever met a real racist, you wouldn't take a racist seriously because they're so –

stupid. It's like brain never developed. For example, the docu-series I'm doing right now. Right, tell me about it. Convicting a Murderer, which is a ten-part docu-series we're working on right now. We got the prison calls of this person that the media turned into a hero, Steven Avery. Netflix did this whole bit, make you think he was innocent. And we went back and got the prison calls between Steven Avery and his family.

they should be listened to, right? They're dropping the N-word over and over. These people can barely put together a sentence, right? The idea that I would be offended by this prison call would actually lower, it would lower my standards, you get what I'm saying? For me to be offended by this person who literally, they don't comprehend things, they're so stupid, they've lived in this trailer park forever. You know what I'm saying? Yes.

to be offended or shocked that this person is dropping the N-word over it. There's no black person that's going to watch this series and be like, well, there it is. Nobody's fearful of this racism. And by the way, he ended up killing a white girl, you know, because this is, that's why I think people also miss it, that you're actually giving too much power. And that's why I love that my grandfather did. You give too much power to idiots. Right. And this is, to me, and we don't have to get into a big screaming match about it, but to me, there is a, Donald, if you ask me if Donald Trump's a racist, I would say,

Like just with any crime, there are degradations of it. Is he the worst kind? Absolutely not. It's a very kind of passive of his generation. Let me give you a little story about when I was working at the Bergen Community College, my summer job. I was going to Ivy League school and stupidly making like $20 a day working basically as a janitor, an outdoor janitor at the local community college. So

I had this boss, you know, he was like, this was like a summer program. They hired a few college kids to give him a little money. So he was always smoking a non-filter cigarette. And one time we were on the truck going somewhere to clean some shit up and he saw a bunch of little black kids. And he says, yeah, they're cute now, but they grew up to be, the word I can't say. Right.

To me, and I remember thinking, I was 19 years old, wow, you asshole racist. To me, that is a racist. It's a totally racist thing. So that guy does exist in the world. Yeah. Now, that was 1974. Right. He exists less. 100%. Because he died. Yeah. Not all of them. That's the point. Not all of them. Yeah, when you hear Stephen Avery's parents, they're dead now. Right. But it's like, yeah, I would suspect that where they grew up. I mean, we have polling on this.

Like, the amount of white people in 1974 who thought that they would like to live in a diverse community was, like, nothing.

90 points different than it is now. Like most Americans want to live in a diverse community. That's a huge sea change. These are facts. Yeah. I actually have a question for you because I'm kind of miffed by this and I cover it a lot on my show. The self-hating white person is like, observing this as a black person, right? This is something that black people could never get behind, right? You're not going to get black people to just lash themselves in public. You know what I mean? Of course not. We look at this,

and we're a little bit like, you guys are a little weird. At least we're like saying we're amazing and you guys are awful. And if I can, I'll pop my collar and I'll shine. The self-flagellation. It makes me uncomfortable. I've done two editorials on this because it's such great fodder for comedy. I did one. I'm sorry for

You could never see a black person say, I'm sorry for being black. I just don't think that's a thing. I did one. I wish I could remember the exact words because I wrote it. It was this part. It was so funny about if it's that bad, let's have a honky-tonk. Let's tax Caucasianness.

Right? If it's that toxic, we have to put a tax on it. And it was like, wrote a whole thing about how it's going to be indexed to the blah, blah, blah. It's weird. And it's a lot here in LA. It is weird. It's just weird. It makes me uncomfortable. I don't want to watch people hurt themselves. It is uncomfortable.

They're asking black people to forgive them or to signal that I know you're an ally. Yeah, I hate that. I know you're one of the good. I hate it. It's so gross. It makes my skin crawl. It's cringe. Because I know you don't mean this. Of course not. And I don't know why. And it makes me feel like you're like watching. Black Panther was very meaningful to me.

And I wanted you to know that I see your experience and I hate myself for being born this way. And I see this stuff and I'm like, how did you get so brainwashed to apologize for something that was completely out of your control? I could never apologize. I had the same feelings about Black Panther as I do about every superhero movie. What do you think? Stupid. I mean, it's just not my kind of movie. But I mean, I feel the same about Spider-Man. Yeah.

But, yeah, that cringey... Like, I have to...

get you to forgive me for my toxicness that like, I didn't do it. The white privilege posts made me super uncomfortable. I'm like, I don't understand how media has conditioned you to hate yourself because I could never be conditioned to hate myself. Like I just could never imagine apologizing for being black. Why should you? Or white. Bonkers. Or white. Yeah, it's weird. I mean, you know what white liberals don't understand about black folks?

They don't understand that. It's funny. We were going to call my show Keeping It Real. But, you know, of course, that would have not aged well. But at the time, and I remember the network was like too black. Too black. Too black. But like what they don't understand is that that's what in my experience, I'll just say this. In my experience, what black folks love is not I'm your ally. They love keeping it real. Yeah. Keeping it real. My dad loves you.

Absolutely loves you. I love that. Like, my entire, like, my aunt, all of them, they absolutely love you. And they always say that. It's like, he's just, like, real. You know? Like, he just says it. And it's like, don't, why are you patronizing us? Why are you patting us on the head like we're puppies that need rescuing? It's demeaning. You look pathetic. Right. You know? I don't want to see someone grovel in front of me. Again, going back to your reference of, like, the five-year-old kid and everyone's like...

It's just weird. It's just everything about this makes me uncomfortable, so please stop doing it. Right. Like, we all know this is meaningless, so let's stop pretending this is, like, real feelings that you have and not, like... You know, I ask all my black friends...

and black girlfriends that I've had. And very often, like then, they're ex-girlfriends. But we're still close. I mean, I make friends first. It has to be based on-- OK, so I ask them these questions. I'm like, I get it that when people say, how could you know you're white? Well, I'm also sentient. OK, so maybe I can't know as good as you. But I can see shit.

i can see the commercials are different yeah i mean they try so hard now and also when i'm on the road it's always i'm like i'm consciously aware like when i'm in the diner in charlotte north carolina i'm like i'm look i want to see the kind of because i see black folks white folks that's the south some are working there they're working with each other some are customers

I just don't see anyone scowling. No. Or like, I just don't, like, this is my eyes. Maybe I'm missing it. Maybe they're all fantastic Academy Award winning actors who are pretending that they're just living their best lives. But it looks like everyone is getting along great. Pretty okay. And that's exactly been my experience. And no one is like looking at black folks like... What are you doing here? Like, they open the door and everyone just gets quiet and freezes. Or that I...

You know, that's how the last five years have been trying to convince us that's the America we live in. I'm like, that's just not the America we live in. I'm sorry. Unless they're playing a prank on me where everyone is so on the page. Driving me crazy. And it's so hard. It's just toxic.

It's a toxic media narrative to see race and circumstances that sometimes it's just something shitty happened. No one got called in N-word. It's like there happened to be a black person and a white person in a situation and they racialize it. Like this happened because of... And I'm like, dude, have you never been cut off by a person of a different color? The chair dude. There was a thing on the dock.

Oh, yeah. There was not one racial element of it? Well, we don't know. We don't know. OK, here's what happened, if people don't know. Somebody was docking, and there was a guy on the dock. And for some reason, they had a disagreement about whose life was going to be worse affected by the boat docking.

So the guy jumps off the boat. I guess white guy? The white guy hits the black guy. Hits the black guy. Which could just be a normal bar fight. But you think no two white guys ever had a fight on a dock? I know. That's what I'm saying. It's like, what component of the boat do you? And it could be. It could be, I'm going to punch that black guy who's stopping me from docking. That could be.

And it just could be-- It also could not be. It also could not be. There's no evidence for it. Now, once the fight started, of course all the black people came running and swimming. That was amazing. The swimming guy was amazing. He does deserve some sort of an award. To jump in the fight. He's like, who said black people can't swim? Jumps in the water, gets over there, gets on there. And it turns into this. And of course, the impatriation, everybody is-- like, I'm looking online. They're making this black versus white. I'm like, have you ever been to a bar and just seen people fight? Whether it's two white guys, two black guys.

And for some reason now, it's like black people and white people cannot have any sort of bad falling out of anything about it being like, it's because of race. And it's like, no, it's because we're humans. And humans have controversy and humans fight. And you don't need to pull a race narrative out of this. You can just be like, these were two idiots. No, two idiots.

You know what I mean? This drunk idiot hit this guy. This guy swam in the water. These are just human beings. Right. Everybody is a human being. No, once it was a black guy and a white guy fighting, it did become racial. But that just more shows where we've gone in this country. Yeah, I know. That it had to be. Now, maybe that always would have happened. I can see that. Look, we have a long way to go. Mm-hmm.

We didn't have this long way to go, and now it seems like we do have a long way to go. But something's cracking, because I think just even us having the conversation and talking about how we miss when people used to just be able to make fun of each other. It's the best stand-ups of all time. And obviously, I'm talking about 90 stand-up. But I mean, Chris Rock. Pryor. Bigger and Blacker. Oh, yeah. I mean, there's just so many that I just loved growing up, and they just went there. Speaking of fights and jokes that you can't do anymore, the Wayans Brothers. Yes.

They were so offensive. So funny. Yeah. Like, Don't Be a Menace. How funny is that movie? I haven't seen that one. Oh, you're in for such a treat. No, I have never seen it. Okay, so they put out a book called... I can't... Certainly, I couldn't even think about doing...

But I don't know if you even could do it today as a black person, 150 ways to know your ghetto. Okay. Right away, this is like... You could never do it now. You could never do it now. And that's hilarious. And it's hilarious. It's hilarious. And one of them was, you join fights that don't involve you. Yeah.

That's objectively hilarious and true. You just see a fight going on. Every one of these things where you know you're ghetto also applies to rednecks. Yeah. I have this theory that rednecks and people in the hood are the same people. They are the same people. They're the same people. There's a beautiful

marriage just waiting to happen. I'm like, guys, what's so funny is the media has made you think that you're so different. You're exactly the same. Exactly the same. Except Rednecks might be a little more ghetto, I've learned, actually. A little bit. A little bit more ghetto, but I'm telling you, that's a whole thing that I've realized now living this off of my...

Like a musician once told me this, that it was either a rapper or I think it was a rapper who said, you know, the country stars, like a lot of their whole world is so exactly like ours. Like, you know, your cousin is your tour manager. Yeah, it is. It is. You know, shit like that. Yeah.

And I think it's true. It's 100% true. And I say it all the time now that I live in Tennessee. I'm like, rednecks and people in the hood are the exact same people. And the media has them tripped up thinking that they're polar opposites and they're exactly the same. Listen to this one. So you know who Rudy Joubert is? No. He's a basketball player, a very good one. You may have seen him on the news when he did something very unfortunate. Did he want to punch Britney Spears? No. No. When COVID first hit,

Like he had it, I think, and he was mocking it. We weren't like that afraid of it yet. And he pretended to put it on all the mics of the people who were interviewing him. Oh, my gosh. I mean, right. I mean, you could lose everything for that. Right. He's a sweet guy anyway. I guess he's French, black. So he played in Utah for years for the jazz. They just got traded. And there was a New York Times article saying,

And the headline was something like, you know, interview, it's a interview, Rudy Joubert on, you know, the playoffs and, you know, the NBA and racism in Utah. And I thought, okay, here it comes.

'cause Utah, very white, of course. And they get to the question, "Rudy, what about the racism in Utah?" And Rudy goes, "Oh, no, everybody was awesome there. Everyone was always great to me and my family." And you could almost feel the New York Times reporter being disappointed. - Yeah. - "What? You didn't find racism? That's terri--" I mean, great! - Wonderful. Are you sure? - I mean, great. That's great. - Are you sure? - You know? - Yeah. - That's the kind of shit that makes me see red, because it's just fine.

Phone, just don't be a phony. As long as you're honest with me, I'm always with you. And the second you try to bullshit me or you have this narrative before you even start, oh, the Vanity Fair article on you. Yeah. Well, first of all, congratulations for getting into Vanity Fair. That's not an easy thing to do. Thank you. You know, that's, I remember they did me in 1997. Did they? Were they nice to you?

They were never nice to me. I mean, they were not... I don't think they were terrible, no. I think Vanity Fair was fine, and Graydon Carter is a friend, and I think it was fine. I don't remember, but in general, the print media have always been assholes. I have a theory, but I'm not going to share it. But the Vanity Fair piece, I thought, was everything that makes me hate that kind of lefty. First of all, it was so condescending the way

It was kind of like what we were talking about before. They kind of were like presenting you with someone who must be faking it just for publicity. Because who could ever believe? Well, people think differently than you. Jesus fucking Christ. Maybe they just think differently. But they'd expose themselves. It never entered their mind. Maybe she could be right about some things. Right.

Right. You know, I mean... Like maybe she authentically actually believes that. And give her that much credit. Yeah, and I just thought to myself, if I was going to fake it, the easier thing would have been to be faking a BLM crazy liberal. I would have crushed it. I would have had... Do you know how much money I would have made if I leaned into a liberal leftist...

They would have had me on every media. Of course. I would have been on the cover. I would have been Time's most influential person. You could be hosting the nightly news. So how much money would I be making right now if I had just gone left? That's why I was challenging them. If I really was about money, this is the route I would have gone. It is not easy being a black conservative. It's horrible.

horrible. It's horrible. It's horrible because they're constantly telling you that it can't be real. Okay, so even my marriage is a sham. I even married someone who's conservative. And also, like, when they do polling, the majority of black people are not liberal. No. They're moderate and more conservative than whites. On certain issues, especially like LGBTQ stuff. Yes. Black people are far right. Well, far right, yes. Have been for a very long time. Yes, yes. So, like, the trans stuff is not selling in the

Oh, no, no, no.

Feminism. We need feminism. And what years are we talking about? I graduated high school in 2007, so 2007 to 2011. So the beginning of Obama, you were a liberal. I cried when Obama won.

Well, but so should a conservative. Who didn't. Yeah, exactly. So it's interesting. And so then people use that against me. And we're like, well, that shows that you're doing... And when they say you're doing this for the money, I'm like, you're an effing idiot. If I was doing this for the money, I would be the best BLM activist there ever was. Let me ask you this about Obama. So I read... Andrew Sullivan wrote a piece recently where he said... Who I love, by the way. Do you read Andrew Sullivan? No. He's the...

Really? I don't read Andrew Sullivan. Why? He's so great. Do you want me to? I'll start. You'd love him. Yeah? You'd love it. Okay. You would love it. And he's such a brilliant writer. It's such a pleasure to read his prose. Anyway, he was like, I think it was called Where Is That Obama? And he was talking about how like Tim Scott running as a Republican in 2023 sounds more like Obama when he was running than Obama sounds like

Obama today. It's incredible to look back at the things that he said when they tried to race bait him he ran a Incredible campaign that I thought on unity exactly and then he just went the other way and without us America was racist without disowning his black side at all yeah, but also like just being commonsensical and realistic and not pandering to

to the side that says race is everything. Race is our original sin and it will always be an important issue in America and it will always need redressing. But it's not like, first of all, we haven't attempted a lot of redressing.

You know, I mean... We're fracturing people now. Now we just need to stop talking about it. I agree with Morgan Freeman. He's like, do you want to get over racism? Stop talking about it. Stop constantly making everything about race. No, and there are a lot of conservative black voices. There really are. Denzel Washington is definitely conservative. Yes, and John McWhorter. I wouldn't even...

I wouldn't even call it conservative always. I mean, you are, but I don't think John McWhorter is. But the things you say about race are the same things he says about race. And I would count him like me, an old school liberal. We're like the same age. That's our jam. That's why my dad loves you. You know what I mean? Because I think it's the old school liberals. We can sit down with conservatives. We can parse. We can talk about all different topics. And it's nice. In the New York Times, they let John McWhorter write about

He is now a New York Times columnist. But it never really gets to that stuff. You know, it's a lot about language. And I love John. I'll read him writing about anything. But it's a lot about stuff that kind of skirts what I know is in his book, the religion of anti-racism, calling it a religion, you know, and going after all this stuff, the same stuff you go after. Just the stuff that doesn't make sense. Not denying racism still exists, but...

It's always going to exist. In the New York Times, you just are not allowed to. I mean, that's why Barry Weiss left. Yeah, and she did the right thing. She did. It's really brave. Yeah, it's so great. And I love what she's doing now. It's great. She's killing it. And there is a thirst, as she thought there was, for people who want to see stuff that is not catering to either side. Yeah, and that's what I was saying, too. I think even for me, there's just been this general fatigue thing.

that has set in and I'm focused much more on cultural issues. Because you're the baby? Well, I think part of it, yeah. I think becoming a mom definitely has definitely made me hone in on certain topics a lot more. And I don't care who's saying the thing that I think is right. Like I, on my show, I share, you know, R.F.K. Jr. He says stuff that I think is really brilliant. He's right there. Yeah. And I would love to have him on my show. And people are so offended

He won't do your show? I tried to get him. The reason why he wouldn't do it was because there was some YouTube stuff going on at the time. I think he would come on my show. I will put in a good word. Yeah, we talk a lot about vaccines. He's the reason why I chose not to vaccinate my children, which is funny because he's super...

left and obviously I would never vote for RFK Jr. but I want to clap for him because it doesn't it shouldn't really be so tribal that just because you wouldn't vote for someone based on this policy or what they believe in that you won't listen to them about things that are really rational that could actually bring you bring us all a little closer and I think what he has done in terms of the sacrifices he has made in his life

to make parents more aware of the encroaching medical system, he completely woke my eyes up to it. And he is fascinating. No, when he sat here, that is the theme that I was trying to encourage him to use in his campaign, that his ideas about COVID and vaccines, not that I agree with everything, I don't think they put chips in the vaccines. I don't think that either, because he doesn't think that either. I think he did say that at the beginning. Okay, I didn't hear that. I

that. I want to be clear. I don't believe in chips. I think we've established tonight we've all got our own. We've all got our things. We've all got our own things. He responded to my tweet and said that. He would have said chips in the vaccines and I would have been like, that's an interesting one. Chips on the moon. Yeah. Anyway. So, okay. What were we talking about? Yeah, how you had him on the show and you felt that you wanted to hear. So, um...

I wanted for him to make a theme of his campaign connecting his past work as someone who was always exposing corporate America and health problems that everyone was applauding because it's environmental stuff. It's the river. We want to save the river. Yes, I agree. We should applaud America.

that the thing with vaccine and stuff is a continuation of that, not a departure. It's not like, oh, he went nuts. No, this guy was always concerned about what keeps us healthy, what robs us of our health, and a lot of it is environmental. He's not wrong. He's very right. About that connection. I don't go with him everywhere he goes. I feel like he needs to vet certain things a little more thoroughly. But you know what?

Generally, if I had to choose his page or the conventional FTC, you know,

Western medicine page, I'd go with him. I'd go with him entirely. He shaped a lot of my opinions on that. And I think it's sad that when I talk about that, like if I talked about my platform, people have so pigeon-pulled me as a Trump supporter. I mean, it's crazy. When I had Vivek on, I got attacked by a group of conservatives. When I say that I'd love to speak to RFK, he was a big part of my birthing, of me being

aware of what I was putting into my children's body. People have become so tribal that depending on who says it, like if someone says, watch out, you're going to get hit by a bus, they'll be like, I'm not listening to that because R.K. Jr. said it. And I don't want to be that person. I want to watch out and not get hit by the bus. So I'm hoping that people are starting to understand that. And that's why I said I've gotten less into politics and more into culture. Because the more you get into politics, you realize that people are tribal to a point of stupidity.

but you can't separate politics is culture and vice versa. I've been doing it. People are like, why aren't you, you know, saying that you're supporting this? I'm like, because you know what? I'm telling you what I find interesting about each candidate. Yeah, I don't do that. You know, Vivek is interesting because of the issue to listen to him. Here is like, you know, I had a Trump supporter debate Vivek and Vivek performed really well, you know, because he looks like a person that would perform really well in an academic debate, you know? And, and,

bringing that sort of a conversation to people in general, I think is good. And I think RFK is super interesting. And I mean, I get called names all the time. I piss off people. You know, I disagree with a lot of people on certain issues. I think sometimes the right gets too conspiratorial, which is ironic given how we started this. But I did a whole my whole segment last week on talking about, you know, when all you see is George Soros in the World Economic Forum.

on every person that's new. You may have had your brain rotted. You know what I mean? Not every single person can be controlled by George Soros. And there are the six degrees of separation. I can probably attach each and every one of you to George Soros because they were angry that Vivek took a college scholarship. And I'm like, I probably applied for George Soros scholarships.

'cause I was poor and I had no money and I applied for literally every scholarship that my guidance counselor brought to me. If you see a conspiracy in people taking money out for college when it costs $150,000 a year to go to school, like you know what I mean? Your brain has just been rotted and you're probably not good to be in the political realm. And so I kind of did that.

episode talking about, you know, because literally they had a photo of me where I was sitting like this and they said I was in the Illuminati. It's just like, what are you, you ever seen Talladega Nights? I don't know. I don't know where I put my hands sometimes. I don't know where our hands have been throughout this. They'll find us still. You should take that as a compliment. I'm like, listen, you guys are all pissing me off enough that the Illuminati calls I'm going. I'm sure I've kept you longer than I should have.

but you got me going. That was fun. I love to laugh. Me too. That's why it's sad that people are trying to think even after all these years of making a living doing it. I was just thinking for the first time the other day, like,

Why is laughter, like, why do we love it and crave it so much? Whatever it is, it must literally tickle something in us. - It brings you together. - But I love to laugh like that. It's therapeutic, like a real muscle laugh. - I totally agree. - Thank you. - Thank you so much for having me. - Good luck with the third of what I'm sure will be-- - Permanently pregnant, married Catholic men. - Just the beginning. - The will.

It's a little hard to get up out of seats, but I'm pretty good. Thank you so much. That was too fun.