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Wow, Bill Maher, there he is. Am I supposed to get up and greet the host? Am I supposed to say, sitting down, how are you? After all the entertainment you've given me, you deserve a rest. I, however, is going to stand the whole time. So I can feel superior to you because I know you're rich, you're famous, you're a rock star. Speaking of that, I've always wanted to ask a rock star this question. Settle a bet.
You get a lot of pussy. Because my friend says no, and I say, no, no, I got more pussy on the planet than anybody on the planet when I was a rock star. But I'm married now. I mean, how do you adjust from that level of rock star pussy to, I'm sure your wife has a fantastic pussy. I married the best one. That's how you adjust. Really? Yes.
I've never been able to make that adjustment, but... Bill, I'm bullshitting you. It's the opposite. It's freaking the opposite. Because you don't want the girl that gives the best blowjob. You don't want the girl that gives the best pussy. You want a girl that you feel like she doesn't do this very often. Okay. Well, I could quibble with a few things there, but before we do that... There's no such thing as bad pussy. Let's just get that out of the way. Well, that certainly is not true. Thank you. There's no such thing as... Bad pussy.
It's all good. Well, that explains a lot about the rock star lifestyle.
I've heard they like the blowjobs from the fat chicks, that they give the best blowjob or something like that. I'm not going to get into all that right now. In this day and age. I feel like Ike Turner right now. You remember Ike Turner. He did an interview with Rolling Stone years ago, and he said, if you want to catch Ike, you bait a trap with pussy. I'm going to make a drink with your... Oh. This is your... My second round of tequila. You know, Cabo Wabo was my first time in 19...
What was it when I made common gum? You know what I thought you should name tequila? Yellow Baby. You know? Because that's what you say. Explain yourself, will you? What? Explain yourself. You say it. It's the first word you hear. Oh, Hello Baby. But it sounds like yellow. Hello Baby! But it sounds...
Hey, you still got the pipes. I thought that would be a great name. Then you could make it yellow. I don't want to give the Van Halens... I'm full of good ideas. I don't want to give Alex Van Halen the last living of the brothers. I don't want to give him any ideas. Why? A 5150 tequila is what's happening. You see, police code and Eddie Stripes on the bottle. Right. If we'd have stayed together, I would have gotten him to do that. Right. Because it was such a... I remember that album was like...
The album of that, you know. Yeah. The Hot Summer. 5150 Time. Which we're entering now, right? Yep. You sound like you're like a summer guy. Oh, come on. I love the beach. I love the sun. If it gets under 70 degrees, I go to Cabo. Right. Aren't you like the Mafia boss in Cabo or something? Don't you like, right? It's kind of like Buford Pusser. Remember that movie, Walking Tall? Yeah.
And it was about a rich guy who kind of owned the town, and he had to be taken out. I see that as you. Well, listen, that town has grown out of me. There's people down there that don't even know me. Good to have you here, Sam. Thank you. Wow, Bill.
What do you mean, don't know you? Well, the town's grown so much now, there's people who come down there who think George Clooney discovered Cabo. Why George Clooney? Because Cabo, because he made Casamigos. He bought a house down there about 10 years ago. That is good. That's very smooth. So wait, he...
What are you saying, that you got into the tequila thing before him? 1988, I made Cabo Wabo. So you were the pioneer of, isn't that interesting? No, I mean, as far as I know, even Jimmy Buffett said, no, no, no, no, I'm not copying you. I'm just making tequila just for my fans. And then he made Margaritaville. Then I said, that's what I'm doing too. Right. This is a better drug. Which drug are you talking about? Well, I mean, what has he wasted away again on in Margaritaville?
No, no, no, no. That's a margarita. Margarita's the best drink on the planet. It is? Yeah. Tequila's the best spirit. Is that tequila in a margarita? Yep.
Oh, okay. Oh, I should make you a margarita sometime. It's the greatest drink in the world. You know, I drink very sparingly. I save it for when I'm getting wasted with someone I really like. No, are you going to smoke your reefer? I watched you in Tarantino. I watched you in Tarantino. You guys were fucked up. Yes. Yes, and it was awesome. Exactly. It entertained the hell out of me. You're in club random, Sam. This ain't the regular world. This ain't the regular podcast world.
You notice there is a bit of a difference with what you see on other podcasts. Come on, this is... You remember the song from Donovan, Mellow Yellow. They used to smoke banana peels in the 60s. Is that right? The hippies did it. I thought that was a joke. No. Smoking a banana peel. Some people, they did it. They thought they were getting high. I know that. I certainly remember it, but I was like 12 years old, not close to when I even started smoking cloves.
And I thought they were kidding. Do you remember a band called Ultimate Spinach? Yeah. I think I still have LPs of theirs. I couldn't sing you one of their songs, but I remember Ultimate Spinach. No, no one could. They were not good. But that was like a...
A theme of that 60s, you know, bananas. Electrical banana. That was a Donovan song. Electrical banana. Oh, yes. Going to be the very next craze. Well, Donovan was fantastic. He was. Honestly, I liked Donovan better than Dylan in the beginning. It's just that Dylan went on to stay great, and Donovan kind of just faded out. I don't know what he did. I like a lot of people better than Dylan. Although, there are... Now, easy now. Easy, bro.
Okay. One of the greatest lyricists ever in the history of history. Okay, but I don't... Oh, lyricist, exactly. It's music. I mean, look, to his credit, he proved that you don't have to sing to be a singer. I mean, he sings in his way. I mean, I have many issues with Dylan. Of course, he is a great poet and did change the culture. And there are... I mean, look, I measure artists by like how many... I use the old iPod.
And how many songs, because I like to cultivate exactly what I like. You know, if any artist has 20 songs in my iPod, it means that's a lot. That is a lot. And you do. Lots of people do. Lots of people don't. Dylan has...
Twenty twenty five so I'll give him that I love Some of this stuff that like early 80s which was like people hated him and it was more It was like produced. It was like, you know produce lay lady leg. Well, that was 69 national skyline That was that old I say to me. I love the change. I started doing that. Yeah. Oh, yeah, and like a Rolling Stone Yeah, well that was once they made it, you know Kids don't remember. I I was even too remembered a young to remember this but when he went electric, I
That was a big cultural moment, right? Yeah. Why don't you talk about that a little? Well, because the band. What happened? He had the band, you know, Robbie Robinson and the band and Leave on Hell. And those guys were kind of an electric folk band, but they were bad. I love that band. And Bob got booed off stage with those guys. Poor guys. Because he went electric. Yeah.
Okay, but set this in a historical moment for kids who are like, what are they talking about, the band? Kids, there was a band called The Band. Yeah. Okay, that's the first thing we got to clear up. And they were. But then, okay, so Dylan started out just playing...
And it was much more like folk music. His heroes were like Woody Guthrie. I think that's horrible. I mean, that's just my opinion. I wasn't big on that either. I mean, I guess for its moment, for its time, you know, I'm sure if I listened to Burl Ives long enough, I'd kill myself. But, okay. Then he explodes on the scene.
Dylan in the early 60s, but with the folk, you know, blowing in the wind. Protesting. Protesting folks. Part of that hippie movement, you know, that thing. And then was before the hippies. And then in 65, he...
According to this that sells out. I mean, this is a theme we've seen in music. Whoa Bob. When did he sell out? But by going electric isn't that why they were protesting? Oh, I see just in there to me as an artist He I think he just made his changes and it wasn't that their point Oh, I see what you're saying that they were saying you're a sellout that why were they booing him because he went electric as if electric was
You know somehow you know selling out to man electricity. We're with the Amish over here. No electric What the fuck was that you think you're gonna get booed for doing this kind of stuff instead of doing your show your political? Incorrect people my politically incorrect, you know that show went off like and I know but I mean but those fans, you know You know how people are my show now is real-time
Yeah. And it's a very different show. But did you get booed when you did that then? Of course not. Why would I get booed? Well, because people, they get hung up on what you do and then they get pissed when you're trying to change. Actually, they love this show. It's a different, somewhat overlap audience, but also a different kind of audience that
Because it's not political. Well, I like it. That's why I came. Yes, exactly. First thing I said was, okay, we're not talking politics. All right, I'm going back. And it's how I am when I'm just exactly doing this. I mean, all my career has been an attempt to get the conversations that we have offstage on camera. And I keep trying to get closer and closer. This is as close as I can get. You have no socks. Well, I have some, but I didn't wear them. You have no socks.
You have no socks and I have no agenda. And I'm, yes. Well, if I may say that I think I'm probably getting contact high here from this thing. You don't smoke? I wanted to compliment you. No, I can't. I'm a singer. I smoke it once in a while when I'm on real vacation. That's for you. Right now, I'm in the middle of rehearsing because I have a show starting on the 8th of this month. Maybe that's what fucked up Dylan's voice.
Well, maybe but I can't smoke I can smoke them. I like it. I love the way it smells But it makes you forget shit when what you were trying to say, but you look really healthy. Don't honestly I mean I gotta tell you you're just did a fair aging. Well, oh you did because your skin looks fucking great Really? Yeah, I mean, I'm not no I think we started this conversation out establishing that
What's happening with William Shatner? Why am I always having gay experiences in these chairs? Oh, do I love William Shatner? Yes, he's out there. I love him. I don't know him, but I just love him. He's such a character. We're going to have a party for all previous Club Random guests, and you will meet him. Oh, please, please. And you can meet some of the TikTok kids we have on. That's one reason we call it Club Random. Not only is the furniture and the appointments...
It's badass. It is. It's a great little club. Got a vibe. Somebody called it a man... It's not a man cave. Man caves are for married guys with fish on the wall. This is a nightclub. And the people who might sit there are rather random. But, you know, I can't deny, when I sit down with someone...
closer to my own age, there's just a simpatico because we live the same life. We saw the same things for 40 years that these kids didn't see. They're wonderful kids, but they can't possibly, you know, have the understanding that we would have like almost immediately, right? Because we probably had a similar... No, I've got kids, I can tell you. What was your childhood? Was it Leave it to Beaver like mine? Oh, hell yeah. I loved, but I loved comedy when I was growing up. I was a Lauren Hardy fan.
Abbott and Costello, because it was so funny. It was like, you know, nowadays you can't even say you like something like that. Yeah, because I did. And millions of people did. It was fucking amazing. Of course. I mean, I've made this point many times. People who want to get in their woke time machine and go back to when everybody... My argument to them is, then just arrest everybody, because everybody was in on it.
Everybody was in on it. It's just where civilization was. Leave the past alone. I just say more to the point. If you lived back then, you would have been the same asshole. Yeah.
You're not superior. You came later. You're the same asshole we all are. It's a continuum called humanity. You're more enlightened nowadays. We're all more enlightened nowadays. We get enlightened as we go on. But when you were talking about how your whole life you just wanted to do something that's, you know, the real you and how you really are. Yes. That's exactly what I did with my career when I left Van Halen.
Said I am gonna dress the way I dress. I'm gonna say what I say. I'm gonna write songs. Everyone is right I'm gonna be me on stage on stage and offstage in Van Hanna. We would have a show You know, we were pretty pretty loose and jammy, but not completely, you know We get dressed up to go on stage. You did. Yeah, I don't believe in that shit anymore No, I just roll the get up go. I got a gig. Okay, I go right now. I'm
I'm ready to go. Right. You know? Ready to go. So what? You dressed like the Temptations? I don't remember this. Well. Where you had uniforms. Well, we got road cases. Really? And full of clothes and shit. So I see. So you had like a stylist who put you in a rock star. You know what? You know who still does that? I think the Rolling Stones. Yeah, they do. They do. You can tell. Yeah, they always have a... I love the Rolling Stones, but I just, I don't roll that way anymore. Right. And it feels so comfortable, like what you're doing. It feels so much more comfortable. Oh, yes, it is. Right?
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This is a comfortable name. These are easier than drinking straight tequila. The sun hasn't gone down yet bill, right? Oh, I see. This is just a Cocktail it's a tangerine dream. It's it tastes like a creamsicle and it's it's tangerine and cream basically in a light alcohol-based 5.5 rum base so like a beer where did you grow up? Fontana, California Oh Fontana, where's that?
About 60 miles from here Kaiser Steel Mill San Bernardino Riverside Inland Empire. Do you remember Wayne Fontana? Yeah, yeah, Wayne Fontana and the mine benders. Oh and the mine benders. I think they sang the purpose of a man is to love a woman. I couldn't tell you what they did but yeah. The purpose of a woman is to love a man. I'm older than you. How can you remember that shit? I was like nine. That must have been. Yeah, that was like mid 60s. Yeah.
But so you grew up in Fontana and what was that just a regular generic steel town? My dad worked steel man in California Yeah, Kaiser steel they shut it down about 50 years ago So more so you had the 2.5 children mom stay at home experience dad worked at the steel mill
- Stopped off at the tavern. - Unfortunately, yeah, stopped at the tavern every night. - Really? - Unfortunately, yeah. When I was about five years old, they finally split up for good. My dad, when he got drunk, he got violent. He would beat up cops. He would be driving home from-- - Beat up cops? - Yeah, my dad was an ex-fighter.
So he was a tough guy. And so I looked up to my dad like, well, my dad could beat up your dad. It was that kind of thing when I was a kid. And he could. But he would get pulled over by the cops and he'd just get out of the car and knock the guy out with one punch and get back in the car and drive home. And there were no repercussions? Yeah.
Yeah, like two hours later, he's sitting on the couch smoking a cigarette, drinking a beer, and knock, knock, knock, five policemen are out there. Come on, Robert. Come on out. Come on. You got to take you to jail. They knew him. He was a small town. And I'd be sitting there. My dad would get up and duke it out with five cops. Now they would put him in jail for like 20 years. I know. He went to road camp once. And what was it, just like Otis? They put him in the cell, and Andy took the key, and they let himself out later? I don't really know really what happened, to be honest with you. But he wasn't in jail your whole life.
Childhood? No, quite a bit. Oh, he was? He was literally in jail? Yeah, my mom would... She finally, like I said, she finally left. Did kids tease you about that? Like your daddy's a jailbird? Yeah, when I got my teenagers. See, when I got to be 13 or 14 and start looking into girls and going over their house...
And I remember going to one of my girlfriend's house and her father, I go there after school, I walk her home holding hands in junior high. We go in the house, we're sitting in her den, you know, like listening to records or something. Her dad walks, oh, daddy, hey, I want you to meet my friend,
Sammy Hagar and he goes Hagar is your father named Robert I said yeah, he said get the hell out of my house He took he kicked me out of the house. Okay. I'm not joking Wow I was so humiliated a man my girlfriend she was thinned out and I
And that was the end of the relationship? No, that started putting me into a downward spiral. I really started getting into hanging out with bad kids and doing bad stuff. And how old were you at this time? About 13, before I got a car. So that was a, yes, and you know, not to make everything like relevant to today, bigger issues, but the idea of visiting the sins of the past onto people who had nothing to do with them,
I could make a case that that is relevant to some things that are going on today. Yeah, probably. You didn't do it. Yeah. You didn't do it. Your father did it. And so for you to get blamed must have engendered a great resentment in you. My dad had beat the guy up in a bar. That's what it came down to. He'd been in a bar with him. But you didn't. I believe in individual responsibility. That's what I'm saying. I would have after the way he treated me. Right. But we're individuals. Yeah.
You know, we're not all we are what we belong to classes and races and colors and things but we are individuals and
This is the great lesson of your childhood. But then you got in with a bad crowd. Yeah, it was harmful. So it actually drove you. It was a fulcrum. I felt like a loser. I started feeling like a loser because of my dad. And the guys that weren't making fun of me are giving me shit about it. The tough guys in town. Man, your dad's a badass, man. Yeah, I know a guy that was in jail with him. He said he was really fucking cool. So I started hanging out with those kind of guys.
Crazy as it sounds, you know, I made it out of it. Whew. But, yeah, I started taking drugs and smoking weed and drinking. Yeah. Well, not all of those things. One out of three. I did, though. But back then you got caught with weed. You went to jail, pal. So do you remember the time? I just have to ask you this before you get too stoned and don't remember anything. Oh, it's already passed. Oh, boy. Do you remember when I was on your show, Politically Correct, and afterwards you said,
Yeah, incorrect. You said... There's the sign right behind you. Oh, I can't see it. Turn around. Oh, it's behind me? It's like 10 feet tall. Oh, that one. Oh. You sat next to that sign. You know, almost like we are now. Well, I don't remember that much about it, except afterwards, you asked...
You said, hey, man, come back to my dressing room. You want to smoke some weed? Really? I did? Back then. I must have really liked you. I didn't usually do that. You took me into the dressing room and you had a backpack or something and you were whipping everything apart and you couldn't find a joint. You said you had a joint. And I didn't really want to smoke it because I don't do that well on weed. I do, but you don't want to be around me. I start laughing too hard. Yeah, no, it doesn't. Right. I can't deal with people. My wife and I, before I came here, she said, ask him if he remembers that because she was there with me. And then...
No, I don't remember that. It was fun. We liked you. We said, yeah, he was a cool guy, man. Well, that's why we got together a year, 28 years later. But I'm fascinated by this turning point in your life because, oh, again, I'm not trying to make everything relate to what's going on, but we can't help but think these days about after the school shooting and shit and what makes young men who feel like losers...
do things. And it's interesting, like, this is the only country where, like, when you feel like a loser, it's like, other countries just go hang themselves. It's like, no, I'm going to take a lot of people with me. There's something very American about that. And I'm not saying that as a compliment. Yes, we're an exceptional country. We take people with us when we go off the deep end. But I think, now, part has to do with guns. Let's not get into that debate. But
Of course, that's part of the equation. But just the loser part. I think in your era, that didn't enter your mind. I'm a loser and I'm going to kill other people, right? No, not in my mind. Right. But that feeling of I'm a loser. I know that feeling too. I think one of the best things they could do for gun control is just raise it from 18 to 21.
We're not going to stop. That's a great, that's a great. Because that, those years are just horrible years. You're so vulnerable to being a fucking idiot because you are a fucking idiot and you don't know, and you don't have what the poet called the memory of outlived sorrow.
You have to outlive sorrow once to know you're going to do it again. That's a nice line. I will steal that in a song sometime. Well, I get it. I said the poet. I didn't write it. But that would be a great love song line. It is a great line. That's why I remembered it. For a love song. It would be like, you know, outlive the sorrow. The memory of outlived sorrow. You have to. That's something that you need in your arsenal. I remember when my first girlfriend dumped me.
at 17, I was suicidal because I thought, oh, it will never be different. Once you get through it once, you go, okay, the sun does always come out tomorrow.
Let's sing that one, shall we, Sam? Well, you have to. That comes with age, my friend. That's a long way from 18 to 21. But, yes, it does help. That's a rough age. I think teenagers today, I can't imagine the pressure they're under with Instagram and all this stuff. Oh, I don't have followers and people. They're so cruel. They say things to you. They're snipers. I call them internet snipers because they don't know you. So they'll say, yeah, you fucking asshole. You're so ugly. I can't stand you. Right. You know what I mean?
You know, some poor teenage girl. You know what I mean? Oh, and there are repercussions that we know. There was a lot of suicide from bullying and kids who were just, I mean, they're all so anxious. There's such anxiety. You know, I had anxiety going to school. It's because I was worried that I was going to get picked on because I often was. But it would be nothing like what if they could get me also when I went home on my phone where you could never get away from it.
Yeah.
- No, it's true. It's rough. I can't imagine growing up in this generation with my mentality of who I am now, and probably who you are today. Throw me back into this new world as a teenager like that, I was probably, I don't know if I was tough enough or if I was too sensitive. I don't know which one, but one of them, it wouldn't work. Either one of them, it just wouldn't work. - I wish, though, there was texting. I could have done so, I was painfully, painfully shy.
Couldn't talk to a girl and if I had texting I think I could have done a lot of damage I think I could have like silver-tongued my way and
I do it to my wife when we get in a fight. Whoa. And she's upstairs and I'm going to bed and I stay downstairs. I text her sweet thing, honey, I'm sorry. That I couldn't walk up like a man and walk in that fucking bedroom and go, honey, I'm sorry. Right. Because probably she'd say, fuck you. But does it work? Yes. That's the only thing I love about texting is that...
It works. Yeah, it shortcuts a lot of stuff. And it's so much easier to do to say I love you to someone and text them. When you look them in the face and you want to yell at them and call them names. Anyway. How do you come back from fights? Like that? To me... I never got that in a relationship. And it's on my mind because Amber Heard and Johnny Depp. It's like...
You fucking cunt. You threw a bottle at my head. You cut my finger off. You put a bottle in me.
You know, you shit in the bed. I want to fucking fuck your skull. I want to block you in the trunk of a car. How do you have that one night? I don't have that kind of relationship, see, to be honest with you. I have a really wonderful relationship. So you never get too angry? Oh, we get in fights. Not when you say things like that? No, hell no. You don't say, I want to lock you in the trunk? No, no, I just say, you know what? I'd say things like that.
you know, I'm sick of this shit, you know, and go in the other room or something, you know. Meaning sick of the fight, not the marriage itself. Well, and sick of you being, you know, and you're complaining or you're demanding or, you know, whatever it is that causes the fights. You know, that's a funny thing. I don't even know, you know what causes fucking fights in a long-term relationship? Like, I've been married,
25, 26 years, but we've been together 30 years. - As long as you know the date of the marriage, you don't have to know how many. - November 27th. - That's the one you have to remember. - So maybe it's October 22nd, but anyway, no, it's November. But you know, the thing is is that once we get in these big fights and if it goes, like I go cold, I don't talk, I don't wanna talk to you. - For days? - Yeah, sometimes, like that's the bad ones.
But then you forget what the fuck you were fighting about. And that's the craziest thing. You sit there and go, what the hell started this? Really? Yeah. And if you try to discuss it, she'll say, oh, well, you said. And you go, wait a minute. I didn't say it. And the fight goes on again. So, you know, it's like I believe you just rise above. I'm a big elevation guy. I say don't wallow in the mud. Don't get the therapist in there. Start stirring the shit up more and say, well, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just say, I forgive you. Move on. And it ends.
It's my favorite thing in the world. In any situation. Not bury your head in the sand. No, no, no. So what percentage of days of the year of the 365 would you say are you in fight mode with the wife? Oh, probably.
15 or 20 15 or 20. Yeah, we're doing good. I think right So for two to three weeks of each year I mean to put it that way like you would say if you if somebody gave you a contract and said look there's gonna be a something that for 48 weeks out of the year you're gonna be very happy and you're gonna be very glad that but here's the other part of it there's always a few deuces in every deck and
There's three weeks of the year which are just going to be miserable because, of course, I know what it feels like when you're in a relationship and you're fighting with someone. You just can't feel good about anything. Until that gets fixed, you can't find joy. No, you get in fights. You get furious with your partners and your other friends. Right, but it's like you can't enjoy the ball game. It's always sort of they're annoying at you, which sucks out loud. But three weeks out of 52, you know, yeah.
If you're just listening, Sammy did the, what is that, the surfer? No, it's I Love You. I love you. It's I Love You More. Oh, no, but what's this? Oh, Shaka. Oh, yeah, like Surf's Up or Hangin' Tan. Yeah, Hangin' Tan is Shaka. That's a Hawaiian thing. I love that thing. You started in the Beach Boys when? I'm sorry. I love the fucking Beach Boys. Oh, of course. Come on, the Beach Boys. They invented lifestyle. Jimmy Buffett and I wouldn't be shit without the Beach Boys. Is that right? Kenny Chesney, any of those guys. Kenny Chesney?
Oh, Kenny Shedd's got a big lifestyle thing going, man. Big what? Big lifestyle thing. He sells out stadiums, man. Lifestyle. Yeah. Yeah, but I'm saying. It's a lifestyle. It's like Jimmy Buffett. Oh, I thought you meant the Beach Boys music. No, no. It's a lifestyle. You don't like the music itself? Oh, I love it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But I mean, Jimmy Buffett, you know, kind of became a lifestyle guy. It's all about this beach. I mean, boats. About sailing, you know, boats and the Caribbean and all that, right? But you were never a guy. I'm a Mexico guy. Brought it from Cabo.
Right, but the Beach Boys started the lifestyle. Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, they did right was surfing They're talking about it by Beach going to Hawaii gonna you know everything, you know But when I think of the Beach Boys, I think of those amazing harmonies. It was and you were you were a guy I feel like who always had to live without the Certainly in Van Halen, you know, you didn't have the luxury of people harmonizing behind. It was kind of all you and
No, Michael Anthony. Oh, Michael Anthony, my partner in crime. He's in my band with The Circle, my new band. Michael Anthony's voice in Van Halen was all that sound. You hear him, he's kind of like a high, kind of like a trumpet kind of a guy. I thought that was the guitar.
Well, that stuff was going on in here. But Mikey was always above me. But do you have good relationships now? Above me. With all those guys? Mikey and I are best friends. Alex and I don't talk, and Eddie's passed. What about before he passed? We connected right the last four or five months. We were talking about getting together. Oh, yeah. But we butted heads hard on it. But, you know, that's exactly what McCartney always says about Lennon. Yeah.
When they always ask him about that, and of course it always comes up, and he says, well, the thing I feel good about is that before he went, our last few conversations were about families, baking bread, kids. So to me, I guess that is something that soothes the Beatle fan. To me, it's kind of sad because it's saying, well, we who shared so much and so deeply together
Now the only way we can get along is to you like sort of just talk about Trivial bullshit things that you could talk with somebody some stranger on the subway about making bread beetle that Beatles Documentary thing. Yeah, that broke my heart. I couldn't even watch it. The last one broke your heart Why I couldn't stand to see that how they acted to each other John Lennon's one of my all-time artistic heroes and what were they doing? Oh
Oh, he was being a prick. To who? To Paul. And I never respected Paul as much as John. John was being a prick to Paul? Yeah. By doing what? He wasn't going along. He was disrupting all the creative process on that last record, on that Let It Be thing, when Paul wrote. No, he wasn't. I saw it. I saw it the exact opposite. Oh, man. I thought him and Yoko were just like...
Making it really hard for Paul to get the band to be creative together. They were butting heads to me. I've been in bands my whole life. I must give the alternative view, which, by the way, is Martin Lewis, who's the world's utmost expert and my friend on the Beatles, concurs with this completely. We always thought at that point in the Beatles' journey, 69, the end, John had already gotten on and off heroin.
Or maybe he was about to go what you know, he was he was he was not he was not as committed to the group as
as he was in the early years. He was definitely the guiding spirit and boss of the group in the early years. Then he'd lost interest, especially after Yoko. So I thought I was going to see a guy in the studio who was disaffected and disinterested and who was into Yoko. Complete opposite. He totally ignores Yoko the whole time. She just sits there like a statue. He never says a single word. And what we found out...
The big bottom line story in that special is it was always Lennon and McCartney. That's what it was at the beginning. That axis, that's what it was at the end. With most rock bands, you and Eddie, whatever it is, it's this two-person axis. It is. And it was still that. When George Harrison walks out...
They completely throw them under the bus. They don't have a... It broke my heart. It's that one where they only have the audio of it. It's John and Paul at lunch or something. They only have the audio. And they don't say, what can we do to get our buddy George back in the band? They go, okay, Eric Clapton, you have his number...
It was just... It broke my heart. I'm sorry. The treachery that I just didn't expect that. Oh, it's not treachery. What treachery? You have to be in a band to understand that. It feels so bad. You feel like these guys are your brothers. And when they stab you a little bit or...
That's the most treacherous thing I could think of is that they did throw George on the... Well, I just think Paul was really trying to write some fucking amazing songs. And he was. Yes, he was. And I don't think John was helping him. I thought they would be more of a writing team. I expected John to be like, oh, that's such a great part, Paul. Oh, we should do this. Oh, yeah, here, I got an idea. But John was just kind of... Again, in the second half of the Beatles' career when they arguably did the best stuff... Yeah. Yeah.
Definitely Paul was the leader. I've put this theory forward. It's been published now somewhere. I can't remember where. So I don't feel like I'm, and it wasn't refuted by anybody, but who knows? It's a theory. The reason why I think the Beatles broke up
is not because of Yoko, is because they had a competition, a friendly competition. And to them, the pseudobonum of that competition was to get the A side of the single. They loved singles much more than albums. You know, they did not put the singles on the album. And they had the best number ones of all time. Of course. Amazing albums. But the singles were not on the albums. The single was a different entity. So who got the A side of the single? To them, that was like...
And at the beginning, they co-wrote the songs. And John certainly had his share. You know, he wrote most of... It seemed to be coming from his... He was the... You know, this fountain, the seed. He was more like the seed. Hey, I got this idea. You could tell. But also great... I mean, look, right up into the end, he wrote great songs. He did. Just not as many in the second half. Yeah. He once said, you know, Paul calls me up and says...
He's got 10 new songs. Jesus, now I've got to write 10 new songs. See, he needed that pride, but he did. I mean, he's got great songs on Sgt. Pepper. I love his soul stuff, too. Come on. But A-side singles from like mid-60s on, he never got one. I mean, imagine writing a song as great as Strawberry Fields Forever, but the A-side is Penny Lane.
You can hear the difference, too. There it is. There's Lenin, and then there's Penny Lane. That's Paul. Yeah, there's no question about it. You're right. Revolution. But the A-side is, hey, Jude, to lose that battle...
I think was something he could not keep up with. That's really deep shit you're talking right now. I think so. Yes, it is. I've been in bands my whole life. Oh, thank you for... No, I'm telling you. No, that's deep shit because it's true. You understand that that is the thing. Right. That is the thing between two... Oh, you look at all the singles. Get Back was Paul's. He did not have Lady Madonna. Yeah. All their singles from like that mid-60s paperback writer...
Was Paul McCartney, all the, and he just hit Rain. It was a great song. That's the flip side of paperback writer, you know? Yeah, I know, yeah. I don't remember those single things. I was over singles by that time. I couldn't afford them or one or the other. What do you mean you couldn't afford? I was poor on my ass until I fucking made it. Right, right. I couldn't buy shit. When we last left. You remember those movies? You ever see that movie? I said, no, back then I didn't have enough money to go see the movies, you know?
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So when we last left 13-year-old Timmy Hagar, he had had his heart broken by the father of the woman he loved. I got embarrassed. Got embarrassed, understandably, felt like a loser. Long shot of you walking by the railroad track. Believe it or not, that was the route home to my house. Beer bottle thrown out of a window. Okay. So then when did you get in your first band?
Shortly after that, it's about 15. 15? Yeah, a couple years. So it kind of led to rock and roll. It did. So, you know, I felt like somebody that got on stage, even if I wasn't great, you know, girls would think, oh,
Oh, man, you know, he's kind of cute. You look cuter on stage than you do offstage. You know, there's something about that thing, you know. So my theory that rock stars get a lot of pussy is the correct. It is absolutely correct. A lot of them do. Okay. You know who I think probably got more pussy than anyone, though? What? Probably more than anyone. I bet you Rod Stewart got more pussy than anyone.
I had him on Real Time three weeks ago. I think he's your exact age. He is. 75? You look amazing for 75. I saw that show. I watched it. And he was great. He was so charming. And he still, you know, I bet he still gives a lot of...
Well, he did not even want me to talk about it in the past because he's married now. So am I. Because I said to him, because I read it in his book, that he wrote in the 80s sometimes. I bet you more than anyone. At La Dome, there was like this private bathroom for celebrities. And he would sometimes have sex between courses.
And he did not want to go into this. I mean, it was, come on, many years ago. But I understand women are sensitive. Yeah, they are. When I saw that between courses, I was like, okay. You know, I'm out. In the 80s, though. I used to make jokes that I bet you he was getting more pussy than me and Mick Jagger put together. Well,
I mean, all you guys. I hate to even call it like that. But let's examine what... It sounds degrading, but it isn't. It's like sex is a real thing. People are really... You know, people are attracted to each other. And it's like, it's amazing. It's a beautiful thing. Oh, it sure is. I tell my wife without sex, if I... When I...
When I outlived my dick, like Willie Nelson said when he turned, I think, 80 or 75, I think it was 75, and Toby Keith said, he said, hey, Willie, how you doing? He said, well, it looks like I outlived my dick.
And said he wasn't interested in pussy anymore. That's as good as the memory of outlive Sarah. It's right up there. That's right up there. I outlive my dick. And I tell my wife and everybody else, when I outlive my dick, I don't know how it's going to be. You know what I mean? Because it's a beautiful thing, man. Sex is a gorgeous... I mean, can you imagine that gift that you have? It's like, that's a... And also, in the back of your mind, you're always kind of doing everything so that you can still have good sex.
Well, I'd stay healthy for that. Maybe that's just me. Okay, so...
Damn, what is it? Oh, I wanted to ask you, what do you think, let's examine in great detail, what it is that makes rock stars so irresistible to women? Because it's, I mean, some of them are attractive. You're attractive, Rod's good looking, but Mick Jagger is an acquired taste, you might say. But it's something obviously way deeper. I think it's that women crave...
like men to be emotionally honest and men are horrible at that. But songs do it. In songs, they're speaking the kind of emotional things
That women want to hear always don't you think that's the root of it? Well, that's that's a good start the tight pants Well, but when you see a guy like Mick Jagger or you know or myself or any performer Rod Stewart people to get on stage and perform You know some people to stand there and sing when you see right that move and do things. I
Guys don't do that walking around the streets, right? So the girls are seeing I could do shit that you're doing the bedroom act sexy and and you get away with it and be uninhibited and not yeah Women don't like about us is that we're too cooped up I mean, I've never had a relationship where I thought when I thought I was being so open It's like what else and and there always was the complaint of
That we want to somehow go deeper, this mysterious deeper region. It's like, I don't know. I've gone as deep as I can. This is me. Below that you found more me. And then there's more me. Beneath that is public parking. I swear, you can't get any deeper. I don't know me deeper than this. But they just want to, there's just this mythical place they want to go. And singers, I really do think they get you to that. They get there to that place. Even if it's bullshit. Even if it's like we can do it on stage. Whoa.
hold on. You calling me a liar? I'm saying the lyrics coming from a guy who's going to have three groupies and he's singing, you're the only one. They're singing bullshit lyrics. There can be that too. But,
But I also think that male and female, we're attracted to bad boys. Like, girls are attracted to bad boys a little bit. You know what I mean? So they think maybe it might be a little more exciting. And I'm attracted sometimes to bad girls. You know, you see a girl and think, oh, she's kind of nasty. She might be really fun. You know what I mean? So, I mean, it's natural sexual instincts and animal instincts, you know. But.
But we got to get off this subject, Bill. Why? Well, because... Oh, because you're married. Yeah, I mean, my wife at some point is going to say, I thought you guys would talk about something. We will get off it. The last thing I would want to do is add to the three weeks a year. After that fucking billboard. I would be like, oh my God, Sammy calls me. Squeeze four weeks out of this year. This year was four weeks, you asshole. No. Look, you...
Can I ask you about Tarantino, though? Yes, ask me anything. Because that guy is my favorite director, writer of all time. Love him. And he is the craziest fucker. You guys, I mean, do you know him well? One reason I love doing Club Random is because I get to know people who I've always liked. I don't have anybody here I don't like.
and wanted to get to know better. And he's in that category, you're in that category. He stuck around after the taping. We went to my house. I don't live here at Club Random. This is the nightclub. - Oh. - Yeah, no, I live next door. So we went to my other bar where I live,
And, you know, that lasted an even longer time. He's a fascinating guy. You almost just don't want to stop talking to him because it's like, when am I going to get him again? I mean, first of all, come on. And he lives in Israel now. And, you know, so I took advantage. But why did he quit? I mean, I know we don't want to talk about him all night. Oh, no. He's not doing movies anymore.
anymore, right? You know what? This is the ongoing... It's crazy. That's not right. Exactly. That's my point. This is the ongoing debate he and I have been having. We had it here. We had it on real time. He says he's quitting. He says, directors, if you look at the history, once they get past 60, they're no good. And I've been trying to convince him. First of all, that's other people. Second of all, there are some who did very fine things after 60. And...
The thing I was really harping on when he was here is the last movie he made, to me, is his best. So he's on an upswing. It's unbelievable. I think Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. I don't see how he gets away with it, but it's unbelievable. That movie was deep, man. And it was his only movie that wasn't a revenge movie. It was a love story, even though it was between the two guys.
But it was still a love story. So I feel like he's just at the beginning of a new place. Yeah, you said that to him. I was tripping on that because I don't see it like that necessarily. He's just brilliant. He's just so deep. He's like the Frank Lloyd Wright of, I mean, he goes right down to the, you know, Frank Lloyd and we see what kind of nails we're going to put in this thing. They got to match the, you know, the carpet, you know.
His detail. You see that door that's completely crooked? Yeah. This house, look at that. You don't usually see a door like that. No, you don't. Because this house was built by a student of Frank Lloyd Wright who...
Who built this crazy, I mean, you can't see because it's nice. Do you know his name? No, I forgot. I could probably find it. Halford Keaton's Clay, maybe? Oh, I don't know. Okay, Mark Mills. Oh, wow. You know architecture. I've had both of those guys' houses. They worked for Frank Lloyd Wright. I've had a house by each one of those guys. I'm a big, big enough. So you know. And the guy, Mark Mills, makes doors like that. Oh, is that right? They tore down one of his houses that I owned, and I fucking went down there and said, I want that fucking door. And they let me have it. Is that right?
Yeah, it's deep. It's deep. This has got to be him. I bet it's Mark Mills. I bet it's Mark Mills. You know, it probably is. Small world. Frank Lloyd was goofy, but he didn't do slanted doors that I remember. Right. That's Mark Mills. Yeah. And if I smoke enough of this, it's straight. Why do you keep putting this thing out? Why do you keep taking it out? I don't. It goes out. Oh, you squeeze the end off. That's the problem with cloves, Sammy.
they don't stay lit. This clove industry has got to get its shit together on this one issue. I'm going to run for office as a one-issue candidate getting clove cigarettes to stay lit. Yes, it's a little limiting, but I think the people are ready for a one-issue candidate. What do you think? Yes, absolutely. So...
So crazy ass Tarantino had a movie called Grindhouse, one of the worst movies he's ever made. I'm sorry. It was entertaining. Very entertaining. But in the middle of it, some girl walks into a bar and goes, hey, I'll have a margarita. And he said, and he was a bartender, he said, what kind of tequila do you want in that? She said, what?
Cabo Wabo and he said absolutely Cabo Wabo the best and he goes and makes sure if there's a bottle of using a bottle of Cabo Wabo in his damn movie. Is that a real one Cabo Wabo? Yes, my first tequila. Oh, your first. My blue bottle one. I sold that company years ago. Right. But he used my tequila in that movie so obviously he was a fan of Cabo Wabo tequila which was the first premium tequila right with Patron. We came out same time. Patron sold for five billion, five billion, five billion.
Yes, I came out at the same time with Cabo Maba. I didn't put any money into it. I wasn't a businessman and I only sold for a hundred million. I heard that a hundred million years ago. So that's a true. That's a true fact. A hundred million. Usually when they talk about how much people make or how much they earn, they have no idea they make it up. So I'm hearing it from the horse's mouth. You got a hundred million. Exactly how it worked. They said they came to my cantina in Cabo. Luca Garavoglia, the only owner of Campari and his attorney.
Stefano they came with another guy too and they said you know we want to talk you know they sent me an email said yeah we want to buy are you for sale I said no I don't want to sell this guy that worked for sky vodka who they owned contacted me and said they want to buy your tequila I said it's not for sale how much you want to buy it for he said ten times earnings I said
10 times earnings. I was making about $7 million a year profit at that time for three years in a row. 6.2, 6.8, 7.3. Averaged out to $6.7 million for the three years. And they said, we'll give you $67 million for it. I'm by myself. I don't even have a lawyer. I'm just saying, what the fuck? Two days later, I said, you know what?
I don't think so. I said, you know, I love this brand. I'm rich as fuck. I'm making so much money off it. I'm a rock star already. I own everything. What am I going to do? I'm sticking to fucking bank, right? Yeah, right. And they said, well, what would make a change in mind? I said, well, it's just not changing my life. You know, it's like, I mean, my life's good. I don't need a change. And they said, what would it take to change your life? I said, you know, fuck, like $100 million. And they looked at each other like this real quick. I'm sitting here, and they went, okay, okay.
And I fucking fell on the floor, rolling around the ground laughing. So I get the brilliant idea. It sounds like you could have got 150. Probably easy. But I'm going, I get the brilliant idea. Okay, after we start doing all the due diligence, this is how stupid everyone thinks of a good businessman. I said, I want to keep 20% because I want to sell it back to you later. And they said, okay. So they gave me $80 million, right? And there was about $3 million in the pipeline that was gone.
already bills coming in, money coming in, you know, like royalties from sales. By the time they bought it back, they said they'd have to buy it back within a certain amount of time. And when they bought it back, it was only worth $13 million. So with the seven, I got about $97 million. Yes, in my fucking pocket. No, I doubt it. Well. What did the state of California take? Half of it. Between the state and the federal government. I would have checked the state of California for $11 million. Wow.
He got off easy. Yeah. I mean, and then federal. Now it's more. No, I'm talking. And look, obviously we need to pay taxes. It was capital gains. I paid my capital gains, 15%. But, I mean, I wouldn't say in California I'm undertaxed.
I wouldn't make that complaint. If I was going to sell one of these brands and do it again, I'd get the fuck out of California. I didn't say that. You know, it's funny. The Republicans used to always have this talking point about, we don't want to be punishing success. And part of that is bullshit.
And part of it is sort of coming true here in California. I mean, they are right up to the line of punishing. And, you know, you do lose like Elon Musk moved to Texas. I mean... No, it's happening. There are people who moved to Florida right in front. Here's the whole thing, Bill, and I think you would agree. I love California. I love living in Laguna Beach. I love living in Mill Valley, California. I love...
I love the coastline, the Big Sur area. I love California. There's no place like it. If you want to live here, you're going to fucking have to pay. Now, at my age, maybe I'm going to live to be 100, which I think I am. So I got 25 more years. I couldn't spend my money. I give more away than the government takes anyway, which is tax deductible because I have a foundation.
So I think I'm happy. I already made this. I argued with my rich friends that are moving. I say, what the fuck? You guys really want to live in Texas? You know, I love Texas. But my fans are big fans of Texas. But I don't want to live in fucking in the desert. I just feel like there I would be completely OK with something called a lucky tax.
Because we're like, how's that? Well, what it works is I've always believed that what makes you rich is a fluke, a fluke of the time you live in. A baseball player can throw a ball 100 miles an hour, can get a $100 million contract. Now, if you could throw a rock-
that fast 200 years ago, it would be worth absolutely nothing. And you can sing great, which really has no intrinsic value. Same with me, a clown, a funny clown. Okay, but for whatever reason, these things are prized. And so I would submit to, okay, the lucky tax.
My problem is when it goes through the filter, I would rather just give it like, okay, we're lucky. Support a school. Not a school. A church, a hospital. A church. Definitely not that. Okay, all right. But just give, it's more like what Andrew Yang talked about, just give directly,
The money. As opposed to like when it goes through the government more, especially now, California, it's just there's so much red tape and bureaucracy and bullshit and pig with their snouts in the trough. It doesn't make it to them. It doesn't write. It's just creating more bureaucracy and bullshit and rules and tell you how to live and just give them the money and say, okay, fine.
So that's the lucky tax. We're lucky because what we have made us this ridiculous money, and we're going to acknowledge that. And I want to live in California. I made up my mind. Yeah. Well, what could drive me out is the fires. Oh, fuck. You can't.
You can't. That is the one thing that's not negotiable. I mean, regulations are annoying when they're over the top and unnecessary and bureaucracy and red tape and overtaxation. But the thing that is the real, the one that could actually drive me out is I'm not going to breathe ash.
if that's the permanent state. And that could become the permanent state. I don't know why there's so many fires. What do you think? Do you think that people are setting these fires? Do you think it's arson? Do you think it's terrorism? Or do you think it's just coincidence? It's drought! Oh. It's global warming. We have no water.
no water here. We haven't for years. I flushed the toilet. I peed in your toilet and I flushed it. Okay, that's the thing. I turn on the tap every day and I'm like, where is this shit coming from? It never rains. Where are they getting it? I'm conservative. That's why I turn the faucets off in between brushing teeth. I take a shower, I soap up and I turn it back on again. No, because I care. We've got this problem licked. Well, no, but if everybody else did a little bit conservative, there is a drought, yeah.
A worldwide fucking drought, I think. Well, no, it's not worldwide. Parts of the country are flooded. Well, that's true. But we are just in this horrible place, and I don't know how it... That is what I worry about most with California, is something that they can't control. Yeah.
I mean, if we were an innovative country like Amsterdam or some of these places that deal with extreme weather and they're just very clever about how they handle it, we're not that anymore. We're not clever. We can't get shit done. Even if we thought of the right answer, it would never get done because it would have to pass all the regulations and the bureaucracy. I mean, they can't fucking build a railroad from Mendocino to Bakersfield in this state. Now, really, America is sad.
It is a sad place. It's becoming. It is becoming. It's I've fallen and I can't get up. We just can't do anything. We just can't get it up. Now, that breaks my heart, too. It breaks my heart, too. But that's the whole other thing. But, Bill, so you're funny. You have such a crazy-ass sense of humor. It's so twisted. It's on a fucking...
It's like... Thank you, bro. So have you... You think about all this shit? Of course not. Or you just randomly blow this shit out? What does this look like? I've thought about anything. The only thing I have to think about right now is I have to actually go back to work.
Oh, no, we have another one. Okay, then I go back to work. Because I told them when I was doing that, I said. You have another guest coming after me. I do. And you're going to smoke another joint or you're just going to go straight up? Yeah, probably one with Jimmy. No. Of course. It's just two joints. What? What the fuck kind of weed? Man, the weed I used to smoke when I was a kid. You could smoke a joint or two. The weed nowadays, you fucking roll one up. Yeah, but not when you've been smoking for 40 years. Oh.
- Oh, I see this. 'Cause I smoke once every 40 years. My wife and I, we had a house in Hawaii, in Maui for 25, 30 years, whatever it was. And we just sold it recently. But every time we went to Maui, we'd get high there because nobody around. I have all this acreage, I'm out in the middle of the jungle, right on a big cliff. We'd get fucked up because she knows if I get high,
I am paranoid like a mother. You don't. Exactly. I always say it to people. Pot only works on a certain percentage. Yeah. I totally get it. I'm like, what was that? Right. The phone ring. Right. That's the way I get when I eat it. That's why I don't eat it anymore. I tried that too. What are you in Maui?
Because I go there every year to do a show on New Year's. No, we sold the house about three years ago. You know what? I do this Hawaii. But you don't ship, Gordon, my buddy. Of course, I've been there. Of course you have. I lived in past Twin Falls, about three miles past Twin Falls, a place called
My peel Bay I lived right at the end of my peel Bay you drove down two miles down a dirt road and through a fucking crazy whacked out you should come there at New Year's time I Do sometimes I used to spend there. Okay, you we got a hook up on that. Oh, yeah. Okay. No, I love my it's a magical place Mad yeah, right. Oh when we get high there I have fucking shit coming in my head. I'll be going Wow, she said what I go. Oh
I don't know, but I just had a beautiful vision. I mean, like deep shit.
I love it. I'm a born stone. I should be a stone, but I can't. I'm a singer, and I get stupid. And I'm already dumb. I'm already stupid. You're already dumb. And I think it's fantastic that you take care of your voice for your audience. Absolutely. And you want to keep doing what you're doing, and you're still doing it. You've got a million things coming up. I do. My body, all of it, man. I work out. All right. Let's go out on you plugging your... What do you have coming up? You have like...
Bookstores. What do you have? I've got a new book called The Cocktail Book. I've got a... The Cocktail Book. Yeah. It's called Sammy's Greatest Hits. Sammy's Greatest Hits. Behind a bar and in front of the bar. Something like that. Okay. Something like that. Sammy's Greatest Cocktail Hits. Okay. Then I've got a new record coming out with my band The Circle. Michael Anthony, Jason Bonham, and Vic Johnson. And it's called Crazy Times produced by Dave Cobb. Crazy Times. Yeah. Yeah.
Then we got then I got my new canned cocktails. Oh Jesus and beach bar cocktails with rum and Tequila and Santa and yeah, and I eat it Oh, and I'm going on tour this summer George Thorogood is open and he's got a tour Yes, because with George Thorogood who's a party animal sound, you know, he wasn't bourbon scotch one beer I drink alone, you know and
It's going to be a fun tour. All right. Hello. So get the tour. Are you listening? Yeah. Write this down. There's a tour. There's a book. There's an album. There's some perfume jellies. No, no, no, no. And I'm going to be on the Bill Marshall. All right.
William. You haven't gotten one of my names in my show. I'm not good at that. This is Club Random. Oh, Club Random. That was politically incorrect. Oh, yeah. And the one I do now is just... Which I know you are and I am too. My real job is on real time. I've got to bring my stuff here. I promise. You know, your people that work for you. I've got to bring my stuff. I asked them to keep an eye on my phone for me and the lady said, oh, yeah, last time I was here, I left my phone. And I said, well, then I'm not leaving mine with you, but I've got to go bring my own. Okay.