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LinkedIn, the place to be, to be. I pulled myself away from Justin Verlander is blanking the Yankees, which is very important to Mets fans on two levels.

Do you follow this? Do you care? Are you still with the Red Sox? Yeah, I'm still Red Sox. Okay. Well, they stink, so good luck with that. But I can't tell you how thrilled I am that you came here to do this. And I know you are a believer that podcasts are going to be the medium that television was for your uncle, President Kennedy, radio for FDR, right? Yeah, I mean, I was thinking that...

There's kind of a battle now between legacy media and all of these kind of news sources of content and information and that this campaign is kind of Armageddon potentially for the legacy media. And I'm in my own...

The legacy media is fiercely, ferociously opposed to my candidacy and every article is a nightmare. But somehow there was an article that came out today, a poll that came out today in Forbes

that showed that my favorability ratings are better by far than any of the other candidates. And I'm not bragging about that, but it's just curious because all of that-- ED HARRISON: I hate to interrupt you, but if you're running for president, you should brag. That's what people lose elections sometimes because they're too modest.

You know who is not very modest? Donald Trump. Yeah, that's a good point. It kind of works for him. I mean, not to that extent. Self-promotion works. Democrats are very often, I mean, the people are very often with them more on the issues, the voters, and yet the voters don't vote for them. Because I feel like they're not real, they don't make the connection, oh, you did this for me. Like, I'm alive because I have this health care program.

or this poverty program that didn't exist before Medicare, Social Security, whatever. I think when LBJ took office, like the senior poverty rate was something like 35% and we took it down to nine. You know, those are like real things.

But I don't think they touted it. They don't get the message. They always say, we didn't get our message out. Well, I think that's part of it. You didn't connect why this person has this benefit to a we did that. You don't think that's true? I do think. I mean, I don't know if it has to do with promotion, but I think most of the people who got the advantage of that probably were not thinking that.

saying thank you to LBJ every night. Well, I know you hated him, right? No, I didn't hate him. You know, he was actually very kind to me. He was? Yeah, I mean, the one night that I had this very sort of frightening, I suppose, confrontation with him at my... We went to... When my father... After my uncle was killed...

LBJ was very jealous of my father. But my father remained friends with a lot of people who were in the administration like Bob McNamara and many, many others, Dick Goodwin. All the frontierspeople were in the administration.

My father would have them come to Hyannisport for the weekend, and when they were there, LBJ would always call them. And he would call them to let them know that he knew that they were at my house, which he considered an act of disloyalty. But one night we went over, my mom and I and my two elder siblings, and I think a couple of my younger ones went over to McNamara's. And McNamara was the Secretary of Defense.

or President Kennedy and then he stayed on with Johnson. - Former head of GM, wasn't he? - Ford. - Ford. - And my father was very close to him. My father would call him every night and tell him you gotta publicly condemn the Vietnam War.

And McNamara would say, if I leave here, he'll drop an atom bomb. And I got to stay here and stop him from doing that. Similar to Colin Powell, who said, I stayed in the Bush administration because without me, there wasn't going to be an adult in the room. Same thing, right? Yeah. And it may be valid.

But anyway, my father talked to him every night. The last thing he did before he went to bed, he always called McNamara and told him, you've got to come, you've got to go public and you've got to, we've got to get out of Vietnam. One night we went up, but he remained very close to McNamara. And one night we went up to McNamara's for dinner and, um,

And in the middle of dinner, Johnson came in unannounced. So as the President of the United States walks into the house, and he was a very, very big man. He had a huge head. And that's what I remember. And we were all rushed out of the house. The kids were. Shrek. Yeah. Comes in.

And my father... But when I... I got injured when I was a kid. I got 147 stitches in my leg. I sliced up two of my toes. And Johnson wrote me... When I was in the hospital, Johnson wrote me a series of very, very kind, sweet, very corny personal letters. Really? How old were you? I was...

I 1112 what did you do my brother was chasing me on a roof and I jumped to another roof and didn't make it like I gotta say this this gene in the Kennedy family for doing like really reckless thing I feel like this is something the public needs to be assured about because really

I mean, there's been a lot of loss that is noble loss, the assassinations, of course. But then there's just been a lot of reckless behavior that hurt other people and hurt, you know, didn't you have a skiing death? My brother died in a ski accident. Playing ski football or something. Yeah. Yeah. And John Jr. should not have been flying that plane. I feel like

I'll tell you one thing about Johnson, too, which is that everybody knows about the conflict between my father and Johnson that started very early because my father did not want Johnson to be vice president. He didn't like him, and he didn't trust him. That I remember. Right. And when my uncle decided it was going to be Johnson, he sent my father up to tell him, which was excruciating for my father.

my father never liked him and then jack did not pay a lot of attention to him as vice president which hurt his feelings and meanwhile my father was kind of in charge of everything so they had this antagonistic relationship and then when jack was killed johnson saw my father as his principal rival and then when he you know they had a

When Johnson was nominated in Atlantic City in 1964, so Johnson took over in November of '63 when my uncle was killed. Then he was president for a little over a year. He had to run again and the Democratic nomination was in '64. My father showed up at the end of the convention very reluctantly because he was still shattered. It was one of his first public appearances.

And they played a video about my Uncle Jack. And at the end of the video, there was a line from Shakespeare that said, you know, and when he dies, something to the extent, when he dies, cut him in little bits and throw him to the stars. I remember your father saying that. Yeah, and he said that.

and he shall make the garish moon jealous of the darkness. And Johnson took that personally. He thought that it was an allusion to him being the garish moon because he was going to recruit Jackson. He took that as a slight, and then he saw my father for the next four years' arrival, and then ultimately my father did run, but...

During that period when they had this rivalry, my father, particularly in the early days after my Uncle Jack's death was absolutely shattered, and he was almost... He was disconsolate. And he was almost...

catatonic. You know, he was so shattered that he wasn't going to work and he would walk around on hikes all the time and not really talk to anybody. And Johnson was worried about him and sent him on two foreign missions. One of those missions was to Indonesia. Indonesia was about to go to war. Sukarno, who was the liberator of Indonesia, who the CIA had tried to kill, was about to go to war with the Netherlands.

And Johnson sent my father there to try to settle this dispute, which he did. He had made friends earlier on with Sigourney, and they had a good relationship. They ended up settling the dispute. And then he sent him on another tour to Asia. And there was such this profound outpouring of love for my father during that tour from people all over the world that it really made him feel like

You know he had another role in life like a later role so so Johnson did that and I've always you know remembered that about him that he had that kind of a grain of compassion at that point I mean people are just so complex. You know that the way they can show the best and worst of them like inside the same minute it's yeah, and no

When Johnson took over, did he keep your father on as attorney general? Yeah. My father stayed for a while and then resigned. He stayed until he was going to run for Senate. So he stayed on, but he didn't really go to work. And also, you know, half of his employees at the Justice Department were FBI agents who worked for Hoover.

And he had a buzzer on his desk for Hoover, which nobody had ever done. He actually treated Hoover as his, J. Edgar Hoover, as his employee. And no other attorney general had ever dared to do that. And I went up there. Me and my brothers would go up there and push the button. And, you know, Hoover would have to come up and he would be very, very pissed off. And, yeah.

I was in Hoover. But that wasn't a smart thing to do. No. No. I mean, no, to humiliate Hoover. He wasn't humiliating him. He was trying to bring him under control because he had become a power to himself. And my father was, you need to report to the attorney general. I'm your punitive boss and I am your actual boss.

So the second, as soon as Jack was killed, it was J. Edgar Hoover who called my father and told him that his brother had been shot. And an hour later he called him and told him his brother was dead. And my father told a friend of his, he said the tone that he used when he told me that was the same tone that he would use, kind of a matter-of-fact tone that he would use if he had

discovered a communist on the faculty of Emory University, you know, that he would call him up for that. So it was like, it was a message. And then after that, he never spoke to my father again. Even though my father continued to be his putative boss, he was now at a direct pipeline to the White House, which is how it had always worked.

So Jack was the only president he could not call directly. He had to go through my father, which he deeply resented. You know, and that's the good part of reckless. It also means brave. You know, I mean, your uncle, who was president, you know, made the biggest political sacrifice I think any political party ever made. The South used to be called the solid South, meaning a solid democratic South.

But that's because the Democratic Party allowed them to be horrible racists. Jack Kennedy, one of the main reasons why a lot of the people like my family, big Kennedy lovers, thought he was great was because he had the guts to say, yes, we're going to probably lose this entire region of the country.

But this one issue can't go on like this. It's been 100 years since the Civil War. We have to start this process. And then the South became pretty much the Republican South. I think it's still a solid South, but now a solid Republic. That's the most massive trade-off I know of in American politics. When they signed the Civil Rights Bill, Johnson said, well, we've lost the South for a generation.

More than a generation. Yeah. But so, oh, that's right. I brought you that. Now, you must have this in your home. I don't know must, but you probably do. This must have been in my home.

But I found it a few weeks ago. I thought, oh, you're coming. I have to give you this. If you don't have it, you should have it. It's called As We Remember Joe. How did you get that? Exactly. How did I get that? It's this book about your uncle Joe, who was the first candidate to tragically die, kind of weirdly, in the most normal way, in a war.

World War II. And this is as we were, it must have been in my house. Why, is it rare? Yeah, it was a private printing. It's a private printing, right. It's all these. I'm trying to remember if you were ever in my house where you may have. Did I start? Do you think I purloined this? I'm going to pat you down next time. No, but like all these great people they have tributes from, including John F. Kennedy and.

Oh yeah, like everybody and his brother and yeah, and the family. I mean, it's just a beautiful thing. So if you don't, do you have it? Yeah, but I... You want, well, if you want another one, it means more to you. Since it's a private printing, maybe I shouldn't have ever had it to begin with. If anybody stole it with my father, it wasn't me. But I know it meant a lot to him because I took it with, you know, when I moved to the East Coast. Is that the camera? That's my Uncle Joe.

He was a lieutenant in the Naval Air Force out of England. He flew 42 missions, which made him eligible for discharge. And they asked him to, at that point, they were looking for

people to volunteer for a super dangerous mission and the mission was it was the first remote they had invented the first remote controlled aircraft so it's an aircraft that you could steer remote control and they were going to load the plane with bombs and then they were going to have the pilot would take off the plane because they needed it in the air couldn't take off by remote control

My Uncle Joe was supposed to parachute out just before it crossed the English Channel. And there was a tracking plane that would follow it, and it was supposed to fly into the submarine nests on the coast of the Netherlands. And it was a fully loaded bomb. And the follow plane...

turned on the remote control and the minute they did that, the plane exploded and vaporized. Oh, fuck. My uncle's body was never found. 20 years later, my grandfather, if you mentioned his name, Joe's name, he was the oldest brother and he was kind of the golden child. My grandfather would break into tears. He never got over it. And then his oldest daughter died two years later in another air crash.

Yeah, I mean the house of Atreus bad luck that your family has had is just I mean astounding but I find it refreshing that you're willing to like make a bet and

Very often like where people think we are in history is lagging behind where we really are and then events like elections or events and people go Oh fuck we didn't think we were that bad, but we elected Trump We are that bad, you know, we're like the OJ trial when we saw that split screen of black people are Crazy happy and white people are like it's their own brother who was killed. It's like oh wow We're nowhere still racially, you know like that kind of stuff. I

And you're making a bet that we're at a different place now. I can run for president and sit here with this pot smoking atheist on a podcast.

And we can shoot the shit like real people. Because Trump especially, you've got to give him that. He sort of brought it down to the vernacular level in a big way. This guy wasn't afraid to say pussy and motherfucker and shit and shithole. And America's like, yeah, we're kind of a slovenly country. We're not a formal people anymore. It's not 1960. And I think you're right.

You have to look like the people who are voting for you and act like them. They had too many decades of reality television and now social media. Everybody's everywhere. You can't pretend that you're something that's not them. You sit around, you drink, you say fuck, whatever, all these things, and they're not going to hold that against you. If anything, that's going to give you some cred. So...

I'd say you should smoke this, but that maybe is going too far. That'd be 40 years of sobriety. No, and you said you didn't like it. But I might vote for you anyway. But let me ask you something. Yeah. You know, something happened to liberals, to our fellow liberals. Yes. And whatever it was accelerated, amplified during the pandemic. Yes.

There's a lot we agree on. Yeah. But there's some things we don't. I mean, where I just want to know, because, look, if you're going to make this campaign happen, the one thing that they're never going to stop talking about is vaccines.

And, you know, you have to answer for Santino on the causeway. People are going to want to know. And look, I am I have taken a lot of shit for being, you know, what a lot of people call a anti-vaxxer, which really is just a vaccine skeptic. But they like to move the goalposts and make you a worse somehow outlier. And no, I'm very much on the page. And people know this of like I was not on board with how we handled covid.

Yeah, but what was your evolution? When did you say, hey, there's something... A long time ago. I was on... 16 Minutes quoted me like in 2009 or something saying, I wouldn't get a flu shot. Not because I don't believe... I'm not talking about vaccines so much, but just on what was happening in COVID. Yeah.

with the lockdowns and all that. First of all, one thing I don't understand about the COVID thing is how come, I mean, I'm sure you know about the great Barrington letter that was signed by 16,000 doctors and scientists who were all dissenting about how we were handling it. How come your doctors only count? I'm not talking to you. I'm talking to the Western medicine. How come your doctors, they're the ones, that's the science. And if it was one guy out there

But it's like a lot of accredited people. So I think that is one reason why you came out of the gate at 20 percent, because it's just a lot more people in this country who are on to that kind of thing. And how much medical science, conventional medicine is wrong and gets things wrong, including about COVID. Lots of things they got wrong. And then

Where I think we are not on the same page is I don't believe all vaccines are bad. There are some vaccines I would want if I thought the pathogen was serious enough. And what do you think I think? Well, let's get into that. Let's make you the candidate that can get past this issue. Because you're going to have to get past this issue if you're going to go anywhere. So...

I think your idea of connecting the pharmaceutical industry, and that certainly had to do with how COVID was handled, with the bigger issue of corporate America having too much of a stranglehold on this company, that is a great issue. It's a little not obvious, so you're going to have to explain it to people. You can handle that, I'm sure. But that's where I feel this should start, is like,

You were before this, you were a guy who was so concerned and still are, of course, about the environment and did so much. And this is just kind of another tributary to that river. This is sort of environmental vaccines. It's like, what is going to keep me healthy? What's going in my body? That kind of stuff. So it was the same issue that, you know, it's an issue of corporate capture. It's an issue of government agencies being subverted.

and democracy being subverted and government agencies transformed into through these mechanisms of corporate capture into sock puppets for the industries they're supposed to regulate. You're talking about the FDA? Before that it was the EPA that I was, I mean, probably 20% of my environmental cases were against federal and state agencies who were doing sweetheart deals with the industries they were supposed to regulate.

And that, you know, so it was easy for me when I started doing, when I got dragged kicking and screaming because I didn't want to do vaccines into the vaccine realm. It was, you know, it was easy for me to understand what was happening because I'd seen it happening in, you know, at EPA. That's an important point people shouldn't know. And I got dragged in, unlike most people, most people are in this space or were in this space

because their children suffered vaccine injuries or, you know, let's put it neutrally, that they believed their children had suffered vaccines and injuries. And I was just somebody who believed that you should listen to the women who were, you know... If I may, as the moderator, just for anyone listening who's the super skeptic type, vaccine injuries are... That is a fact, that there are vaccine injuries. That's why there's a vaccine court.

Vaccines are a medical intervention like so many other drugs. We don't say they're bad because we know they have side effects, but we just have to admit, first of all, that they do have side effects. Hopefully not bad, hopefully not all. We can debate what they are, but let's start from, yes, vaccines, like any other drug, have side effects.

side effects and serious side effects. And now let's have the debate about how widespread is that? See, that's, I think, someplace where we part. I think you think the vaccine injuries from COVID vaccines did more damage than I do. Well, here's the thing. I don't have thoughts except I see the science. I'm a person who tries to relax. Well, there's a lot of statistics many ways.

And you can cherry pick and leave things out, which is what they do. And that's why you need to read science critically to make sure that's not being done, which is what I try to do. But in terms of the regular vaccine schedule, CDC had been telling people for many, many years that injuries were one in a million. CDC recognized, I mean, the reason the Vaccine Act was passed that gave immunity from liability to these companies is because...

uh they said the vaccines could not be produced that they were unavoidably unsafe and that phrase is in the 1986 statute and it's in the supreme court bruceowitz case which upheld that statute they said okay we're going to give them immunity from liability no matter how negligent they are no matter how grievous your injury no matter how reckless the behavior no matter how shoddy their their manufacturing and testing processes

you can't sue them. And the reason we gave them that liability shield is because they were able to convince the Reagan White House that vaccines could not be made safe. They're going to injure certain people. The question then is, are those rare injuries? And CDC says, yes, they were very rare, one in a million.

When CDC finally studied that question in a study called the Lazarus study, which was published in Pediatrics, and I think it was Pediatrics in 2010, and anybody can look this up, what they found is that the actual rate of injury was about, I think, 2.3%, which is one out of every 37 people.

And so that had injury claims that they made claims to their insurance company. From what vaccine? From all vaccines. The average injury rate is 1 in 37. What is the range of that injury? I mean, if my arm is pulled up for a day, does that count as part of it? It was injuries for which people made claims, medical claims. Right.

Doesn't mean that those medical claims are valid and when people have looked at this, what they've said is a lot of the people make claims, they don't let you know that they have some pre-existing condition. So it could- Well, yeah, but there's a, listen,

54% of Americans have chronic disease. - Oh yeah. - So you're supposed to design the product for all the people, not just for the Avengers. - That's why where I am with you is I do not believe you can make me get a vaccine, you should not. - Well yeah, I believe people should have a choice, that's all. - I believe the vaccine, again, I don't think you do, I think the vaccine saved millions of lives because people who were not healthy

They needed the vaccine. I just didn't want you to force it on me because I don't feel like I need it. I should be able to make that decision about how I handle my health, especially since, again, there are all these other thousands of doctors that have to count too. Okay? So I just would say this. I'm not anti-vaccine, but I am pro-science.

And when CDC actually, you know, CDC for many years has said vaccines save millions and millions of lives. But when they actually studied that issue and they did an intensive study on decades and decades of medical records, and that study is called the Geyer study, G-U-I-E-R, and they did it with Johns Hopkins in 2000.

and they looked at what was the explanation for this historic drop, 85% drop in mortalities from infectious disease in the 20th century. It's one of the great episodes of history in the United States and Western Europe. It was this tremendous drop in the diminution in fatalities from infectious disease. What caused that? Was it vaccines?

Was it antibiotics? Was it surgeries? Was it something else? Why can't it be all of them? It was actually almost none of them. The explanation for it was nutrition and sanitation. It was chlorine. Yeah, sanitation. Nutrition, I guess, got better for a while. Nutrition was... I feel like when we were kids, food was still basically... Food.

Yeah, it was actually like minerals. But it was soon after that that it just became more and more processed and fake and bad for you. And chemicals and all, yeah. So anyway, CDC has studied that issue, and their verdict on it was that that is not true. And there's many other studies. There's another famous study called McKinley and McKinley that says that fewer than 1%

of the decline in fatalities, mortalities from infectious disease can be attributed to all medical interventions, including surgeries, antibiotics and vaccines. The real heroes of human health in this country were engineers. They weren't, you know, it wasn't the medical community. - That's true, it's true of war too. More people usually die of, in the Civil War, more died of dysentery than the bullets. It was much more the pooping than the getting shot.

I mean, that's just, yeah, disease, you know, what has killed them? I think it was two-thirds in the Civil War. Well, let's not argue about pooping in the war. I mean, two-thirds died from disease. Right, yeah, well, it was some ridiculous number. But what has killed more people than anything? The mosquito.

Mosquitoes are the all-time serial killer. Yeah, more than sharks. More than, well of course more than sharks, but more than Hitler. You know, more than Stalin, you know, they're just mosquitoes. Yeah. The Pentagon is spending their money wrong. They get more decon. We are supported by Lumi. As I said when we started this podcast, there is so much to be worried about in the world.

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take issue with the media here because it incenses me how they write about you. This is the New York Times and this is, again, this is not the op-ed page. Okay, if it was the op-ed page, I'd get it. In chat with Musk, Kennedy pushes right-wing ideas and misinformation.

Right away I'm pissed off because misinformation? Okay, who's m-- how about you're the newspaper, just tell me what he said and I'll decide what's misinformation. This arrogance of, "We know what the misinformation is about science." I read an article in the New York Times, so you know it must be true.

That's where the doctor said, I think I remember it was Navarro, and she said, "Nothing in medicine is fixed or precise, unlike other sciences." I thought, "Ah, that says it exactly how I feel." Nothing in medicine, it's not like other sciences. Like some others, I mean, okay, anyway. So that's their headline. Already you're into misinformation.

So you're on with the increasingly rightward-leaning chief executive, Elon Musk. So now we have him painted. Do you consider Elon Musk right wing? No. I consider him like an ultra-liberal. I love him. I consider him a genius. Well, that's obvious. But his heart's in the right place.

I think by his own admission, he's a little spectrum-y and he does some cuckoo things that you just have to accept in him. And they seem fairly benign in the general, even though they are, you know, head smackers. You're like, what?

did you say that? Was that really necessary to... Whatever. But in general, I think if anybody's going to figure out how to save the planet kind of shit, we should not piss off people like that. Okay, so...

Kennedy, who announced, is himself a leading vaccine skeptic and has promoted other conspiracy theories. See, I love this. They go right from he's a vaccine skeptic and other. See, if you're a skeptic, everything else is a conspiracy theory right along with it. Yet he has consistently hovered around 20%. Like, that also, the arrogance of, huh, what could, what could

What's been going on in the minds of these morons who are gathering to his candidacy? Okay, so they talk about Ukraine, the Mexican border. See, this is something I also agree with you. He said pharmaceutical drugs were responsible for the rise of mass shootings in America.

- Yeah, I didn't actually say that. - I'm sure you didn't. - No. - But the general-- - I said it should be looked at. - It should, and it's, you know what, I don't even have to look at it. It is part of the issue. The gun issue is a number of things.

if people could wrap their head around more than one thing at once, yes, it's about too many guns in the Second Amendment. It's also about violence in movies and TV shows and seeing every fucking... How about video games? And video games. Having a 12-year-old boy see every issue solved by way of a gun. No, that has no effect on it. And yes, the kids are on fucking drugs. They're on Prozac. Is that the main one? But there

But they're all on one of these pharmaceuticals. There's been lawsuits. The Columbine lawsuit, which was settled, there was five kids who sued because their shooter was on SSRIs. SSRIs. Those are serotonin inhibitors. I see. And the serotonin inhibitors have black box warnings on them that says suicidal or homicidal ideation.

So it's an obvious culprit. Thank you for putting it. It's an obvious culprit that is treated in this paper as if it's an idea that we need to kill in the crib. Yeah. When it's not. No. Okay. And there's a study out there that shows that 23% of mass shooters were on SSRIs.

Oh, you know, it doesn't, correlation doesn't prove causation. No. It's not proof, but it's something that we should be looking at. And by the way, you know, we're the only country in the world that uses this much, you know, antidepressant, SSRIs. And we've always had guns. I mean, when I was a kid, there were schools that I went to

where we had shooting clubs and the kids brought their rifles to school right and practice so kids always had access to guns right and they weren't going into the issues there's no time in american history or human history that kids were going to shoot schools and shooting their classmates it happened you know they it really started happening coterminous with the introduction of these drugs yeah the other drugs

And you don't see, you know, countries like Switzerland have almost as many or comparable numbers of guns that we do. And the last mass shooting they've had was 21 years ago. We have one every, like, 21 hours. It's not... And then you also add in 2010, is that when everybody got a smartphone?

Yeah. That is also, we've seen a thousand articles about how it's rewiring the brain. Yes. So all these things are responsible, but it's, I guess the question for you again. But I mean, what NIH should be doing, because they're trying, they're supposed to, their portfolio is to protect human health, is to actually do real studies on this stuff. And they won't. They won't because they don't want to offend people.

The big shots, the video game companies, the cell phone companies, telecommunication industry or the pharmaceutical industry. They instead have, and that's why they won't study vaccines either. Vaccines save your vaccine risk because they do not want the answer. And that's why they won't study. Look, let's say I'm wrong.

and autism did not come, that vaccines are not a factor in this, you know, exponential growth in autism. Let's say I'm wrong about that. And all the studies that I've cited, hundreds of studies that suggest that are wrong, okay? Well, then what is it? Something happened. The CDC's own data show, we went from one in 10,000 people having autism in my generation, in your generation,

the one in every 34 in my kids generation so what happened okay and it could be look it could be there it epa did a study congress said to epa what year did the epidemic start epa said it's a red line it happened 1989 that's when the autism epidemic started so you have to look at a toxin

that became ubiquitous around 1989. And there are a number of things it could be. It could be glyphosate. - I am very sympathetic to this theory. - It could be cell phones. - But why, yes. - It could be-- - But why did-- - Negatroid pesticides. - Okay, but this is what they're gonna say to you, and I need to know the answer to this. Then why have they done many, many studies, including ones that were not funded by the pharmaceutical industry, and including ones from other countries?

That all found out they all they all came to the conclusion Autism no connection to vaccines at all. I agree with you. I am skeptical of this. I think they just don't I can there's 14 studies I can go through each one of them and they were and they were all their epidemiological So they're just lying when they say there's no study course 14 study but on the side that shows that autism is caused by vaccines. There's over a hundred studies. I

I, in fact, did a book in which I listed all of those studies

digested in other words summarize them all and you can go and source them and I have over 450 site a so 450 studies summarized and I have 1400 citations the question for your campaign is I'm not talking about this stuff on my campaign I'm just talking between you and that's a ridiculous assumption of course you're going to have to talk about you somebody asked me I'm going to they're all going to ask

ask you. Are you serious? This is all they're going to ask you about. You think they're your friends who want to help you? No, they don't want to hear me. They want to go to the most vulnerable point, which is you're a cool guy because you don't believe in vaccines. That's not me talking. I don't believe that. But that's what they will- But do you believe I don't believe in vaccines? I believe you are more- I just believe in science.

I understand, but, you know, any... Show me the science. Yeah, but let's not talk about, again, the science. That's the mistake they made. I believe in science, too. Listen, Bill, here's what I mean. Let me just say this. Every medicine is required to do placebo-controlled trials. That's what science is. You give a group of people, a cohort of people, the medicine...

And then you give a similarly situated cohort of people the placebo. And then you look at health outcomes over a four or five year period. Because many of the impact of the outcomes are going to have long diagnostic horizons, a long incubation period. So you won't see them immediately. You need to do it. Anthony Fauci has had eight years for a vaccine. You need to watch them for a while.

Those studies have the only medicine that never gets tested are vaccines. And that is what I object to. It's not, I'm not saying the, you know, at, at,

Not only the only one effective. All I'm saying is let's test them the way that we test other medications. That does not seem unreasonable. That is not unreasonable. That's my position. That's my position. Great. Because when what I was going to say is, how do we translate this complex stuff that we're talking about? You're in a debate now. You have 90 seconds.

And you have to say it in a way that gets people on your side. I don't object to vaccines. Show me where I got it wrong. No, I'm just saying this has to be put into these soundbites. That's a challenge because this is a complex subject. Who do you think I'm going to debate? Well, if you're in the Democratic primary, you're going to debate Joe Biden. You think Joe Biden will ever debate me? Yeah, that's a good point.

Yeah. I mean, he should. I mean, I would give six weeks pay, which I just lost because of the strike, to see that. Okay, but let me just, let me vent more because it's just, this fucking...

pisses me off okay so um he has used his campaign platform and his famous name to promote misinformation and i and again whose misinformation because i seem to remember uh washing the mail for three days

for about six months before they said, "Oh, yeah, oh, we got that wrong." Which I'm not saying they're corrupt for getting that wrong. My overarching thing about medicine and vaccines and all of it is that

People just don't see how much we're at the infancy of understanding how the human body works Yeah, and they get so much wrong just last year. They got they announced they got metabolism wrong Metabolism is a pretty basic thing. They also got depression wrong. It's not the serotonin that was it They got the wrong culprit. Okay. These are some basic things and

They really don't know that much. Doctors have a bad attitude, an arrogant attitude of like, we know so much more than we used to. Yeah, more than we used to. My liver doesn't care about that. My liver only cares about what you're probably going to know in 100 years. We haven't cured cancer or Parkinson's or a million things. So don't sit there with the white lab coat.

And look at me like, just do what we say. When have we ever got any one of them wrong? You got a lot wrong, including about COVID. They said the vaccine would not, I mean, you couldn't pass it or get it. And they were wrong about both. In my personal history, I didn't have it for 14 months when we didn't have it.

I didn't want to get it, but I knew I couldn't do my job if I didn't. So I didn't get COVID the whole 14 months, and I was not trying to avoid it. Some people would say I was trying to get it. And then as soon as I got the vaccine, like a month later, I got COVID. I think they're connected because I think the human body is like that.

It's very complicated and when you get the vaccine, by its design, it lowered my immune system. My immune system is doing fine on its own. That's my point.

And then I got it. But because I had the vaccine also might be the reason why when I got it, it wasn't severe at all. I barely knew I had it. Do you think that's possible? Maybe. Here's what the science says now. The Cleveland Clinic did a study of 50, I think 51,000 employees.

And what they say is the vaccine works for about two months and then it wanes precipitously. And within seven months, it has waned into what is called negative efficacy. In other words, if you got the vaccine, you're much more likely to get sick.

You're much more likely to get COVID. You're much more likely to get it. I don't know if you're much more likely to get too sick. I think both things can be true. You're 3.5 times more likely to get it, and the more vaccines you had, the more likely you are to get COVID. In other words, if you had multiple boosters, you're more likely to get sick. But the question you just asked, are you better off, you know, in terms of the kind of ultimate outcome, are you better off in avoiding death or...

hospital or serious hospitalization. And my belief about that is there is no advantage to the vaccine, although there are claims that there are, but the science- Again, I don't think that's framed the right way. There's advantages for some and not others. I just want the personal liberty to say, yes, if I was 90, I might go get the vaccine tomorrow. I don't know.

My issue with this is that every individual is so different. What do you eat? Do you have a fungal infection that's not even diagnosed? How many x-rays have you had? What are your genetics? How many metals are in your body? There's a million things that could... Do you have diabetes? Do you have vitamin D deficiency? Everything. And how many vaccines? Yes, I would put that in the mix too. Have you had...

All of this should be taken into account, or I would like to have the liberty to take that into account, decide, oh no, I think my immune system can handle this better. Or, you know, I'm sure your vaccine is on the level and it's good, but not for me right now. Just like, you know, can you imagine forcing everybody to all take amoxicillin or something? I wouldn't put it past them.

I don't want an antibiotic. I'm glad they exist. Like, I'm glad vaccines exist in case I need them. I mean, if smallpox came back, wouldn't you get a vaccine for that? Probably would. I've already had it. Smallpox? I've had the smallpox vaccine multiple, multiple times. Oh, the vaccine. Right. Yeah. Smallpox was eradicated. So you're not a nut. Okay.

Mr. Kennedy six. Oh, here's what you are is a it's a longtime amplifier and Propagator of baseless theories, you know again not the editorial page. This is like the regular newspaper He he is repeated to host Jesus Christ, okay So here's the ones they fact-check he he said that after the Affordable Care Act of 2010 Democrats were earning more money from pharma than Republicans and

And then they say an analysis by Stat News says the opposite. Who's right? My understanding is that Democrats, and this is what I said, Democrats prior to the Affordable Care Act, prior to the battle of the Affordable Care Act, were reluctant to take pharmaceutical money. And so Republicans were getting more money than them.

And after the Affordable Care Act, or during that battle, it became permissible suddenly for Democrats to take pharmaceutical money because the pharmaceutical, the Obama administration made a deal with the pharmaceutical industry to support the bill.

Today, I believe they're wrong. Today, I believe the Democrats are getting more money from Farmer than Republicans, which is what I said. Even if that's not exactly the case, the spirit of the answer is correct.

Yeah. Yes. And Obamacare, I remember that fight very well. And the first thing they had to do was appease the pharmaceutical government. Exactly. That was number one, job one to getting... It was the only way they could get it passed. Yes. And that is something I've always been a huge critic of. And they made the deal with them that there would be no bargaining over drug prices. That was the deal. Okay.

Okay, that's my next. That's my next. Now, you know what? Fuck them. I just want to say, I'm doing this for a reason. One, because I think they deserve richly to be mocked for that attitude. I just do not like the attitude. And this gets back to what you said when you first sat down there. Like, liberals are different than we were kids. These are not our grandfather's liberals.

I think liberals are still liberals, but for whatever reason, woke became the word. I know it's not always blah, blah, blah, but that's the word people use now for left gone too far. And left just changed their attitude. In a lot of ways, they're the opposite of liberals. I mean, liberalism was about, let's have a colorblind society. That's not where they're at. They're at, let's notice race always first,

fundamentally as the most important thing. That's not a good attitude. That's not even appropriate to today, I don't think. And it doesn't make things better. It's divisive. It's divisive. And I don't think it's consistent with the people I knew

who were on the front lines during the civil rights movement, that that's not the outcome. But also, I mean, the issue of censorship was completely, you know, liberals had such antipathy towards any kind of censorship. There was no time in history where

The people who are censoring free speech were the good guys. They were always the bad guys. Well, now you're doing my show for me because that's, you know, of course I'm going to take that personally, free speech. Yeah. You know, I mean, and it's so ironic that I, yeah, you're totally right. And I know at first hand, I used to get attacked much more and worried for my job much more from the right. I mean, I did lose politically incorrect because the right got mad at me. Well,

Well, I forgot what they think about it. You were in the war one time, right? I've had so many scandals as I was blowing the smoke behind the curtain. No, I said it was our first show back after 9-11.

And Dinesh D'Souza, the conservative guest, said they were not cowards. They were warriors. And I agreed with him. And somehow he got in a cab and skated on that and reemerged as a complete nut. But...

But I said, yeah, the terrorists weren't cowards, you know. And of course, there was no moral dimension to that. I'm just saying they stuck with the mission, the suicide mission. Although they do have a theory that on one of the planes, like the other four guys didn't know it was a suicide mission. So like when the head guy who knew it, you know, there was five on each plane. When he said, okay, take off your clothes because that's what you have to do before you die. They were like, uh.

I'm sorry. What? Take off our watch. I thought we were... Come on. I thought we were headed to Teterboro.

Yeah, no. But I also got to say, and I'm kind of stealing my thunder from a friend of mine who you would know, but I'm not going to mention, who really said this, but I totally agree with it. Whether you're right or wrong, I think you're mostly right about this issue, especially the vaccine issue. The guts and the integrity to take that stand and stick and buy your guns away

When media, you lose the New York Times, family, that to me is a pair of balls. I hope you use that in your ad. I hope you use that in your campaign. I can do another take, but I really think that was the winner.

Yeah, so can I plug my... I'm not getting rid of you. You're never leaving here. I just want to plug my tour dates. August 19th, I'll be at the Charlotte at the Ovens Auditorium. August 20th, Columbia Township Auditorium, September 1st. Austin, I'll be at the ACL Live Theater, live at the Moody. And...

september 2nd the grand prairie i think that's dallas texas trust texas trust cu theater okay um so can i do a plug yes and and bobby you're running for president of the united states i think we have a clip of uh no yes robert f kennedy to the podcast robert f kennedy jr podcast and it's on all platforms

And if you're inclined to give money to the campaign, Kennedy24.com, please contribute $5, $10, $20. We will use every penny effectively. Thank you. So what do you see for like, sketch me the campaign in the next year, your side of it, the Democratic side and the Republican side with Trump now

He's now got, I think, 11. How many people? I think there are 11 in that race. Oh, on the Republican side? Yes. Oh, yeah. Everybody's jumping in there. Double digits. Mike Pence? That's going to excite the base. Mike's favorite food is water for the table. So where do you think, so on the Democratic side, do you think anybody else will jump in like Gavin Newsom?

I THINK GAVIN WOULD LIKE TO JUMP IN, BUT I DON'T THINK HE WILL DO IT AS LONG AS BIDEN.

So I got to say about Joe Biden, he's fine. You know, look, I said it a long time ago on my show. He's like non-dairy creamer. You know, he's nobody's first choice, but he gets the job done. You know, so that's like a joke in my act. OK, it's all for myself. But it's true. He's like McDonald's when you're overseas. You know, it's just it's comforting. It's not the thing you really want to. But it does. It gets the job done. I think he's.

Kind of snake bit. It's like he's actually accomplished more legislatively than I thought a Democrat could in this atmosphere. Like, actually got bills passed about infrastructure and shit that matters that, again, don't make the things that make people pull the lever. You know, because they don't hear about it. Like, that bridge that didn't fall and kill you. A Democrat built that. You know, this is neat. I think they do a bad job at that. But...

Okay, so if it's just Biden and you you think you could marry Ann Williamson, okay? Marianne Williamson, I like I like Marianne Williamson and she's not a nut either You know people have such a low tolerance these days part of what's wrong, especially on the left But the right is no prize on this They have such a low tolerance for like varying in your viewpoint even by a little bit

You know, there's a lot of, well, I unfriend you. You know, you voted for Donald Trump. Yeah, lots of people voted for Donald Trump. It doesn't make them bad people. That, I think, is a fundamental problem in our country. People think if you like Trump, or a lot of people don't like him and they still vote for him because they think he's less crazy than the woke.

That to me is the essence of our politics. Trump can win because people think he, that madman, is less crazy than woke shit. And I get it. I totally get it. That's your freedom of speech thing. People don't like losing that. People don't like walking on eggshells, you know?

Yeah, no, I'm against the cancel culture. I just, I think we should, we need to talk to each other. We, you know, we need to talk to people with whom we disagree. And we need to be able to learn the skill of talking gently and respectfully to each other. Say what you mean, but don't say it mean. And accepting that people are different. They were raised different. They think different than you. They live in a different part of the country.

But stop being in there, your little silos, right? Yeah. I mean, your problem actually is the reverse. A lot of your natural constituency now is actually in the Republican Party. Yeah, our independence. My biggest group, my biggest cohort is independents, and then I have a lot of Republicans. You know, I've always felt comfortable talking. I mean, listen, I started my environmental career representing commercial fishermen, and

and recreational fish and then built Waterkeeper Alliance, which was, you know, which organized in those communities all over the country. A lot of the people that I was representing were former Marines who started the Riverkeeper Organization and a lot of them were Republicans. And, you know, I felt it was important to work on the front lines, getting people into the environmental movement who felt estranged from mainstream environmentalism.

For 30 years, I was the only environmentalist going on Fox News. I went on Hannity multiple times. Again, like weekly, I was going on Neil Cavuto, Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, because I think it's really important to talk to people with whom we disagree. Did you ever meet Roger Ailes? I don't remember, but I may have. I think he asked me to twirl once. Yeah, he had a bad time. He got canceled.

And I spent, when I was 19, I spent three months in a tent with him in Africa. Ooh, that sounds wrong. Well... You want to phrase that? It probably was. Wait, three months in Africa in a tent with Roger Ailes? Yeah. God damn, I wish the writers weren't on strike. This is gold. So why? Tell me why. He had...

He had just finished the Nixon campaign, so he was the communication and advertising director for Nixon. And then he had started the Merv Griffin Show. It was one of his. Really? Yeah. He started the Merv Griffin Show. Did he know Merv was gay?

Was Merv gay? Was Merv gay? I was on that show a bunch of times. Well, I'm glad nothing happened. That was at a time when nobody was gay. Merv, I love Merv. When I was a starting out comic in the 80s, you did, if you were lucky, you were on the rise, you did the Merv Griffin show. Yeah. You know, of course you had to do it after you did the Johnny Carson show. They were the king. But, you know, Merv was always so sweet, kind.

They taped like three shows, I remember, 3.30, 4.30, and 5.30. And if it was 3.30, it was on Hollywood Boulevard. You'd get an audience of old ladies trying to do my 26-year-old hip material about the new Sony Walkman or whatever the fuck I was talking about. And Merv would just be like, oh, funny stuff. That's great stuff. You know, he just turned out to be like a billionaire. Yeah.

He did really well. Anyway, so you're in a tent with Roger Ailes. He starts unzipping your jacket. Roger had a friend who had started an insurance company in Kenya, Life Insurance, which it was the first they had discovered there was no life insurance company in Africa or East Africa. And they thought this was a territory that they could open up and exploit. Wow.

But as it turns out, there was no appetite for buying. You're spending your money after you were dead on people who were your relatives. The concept was like, why would I do that? But why were you there? So that person, the person who started that insurance company, had then shut the insurance company because they couldn't sell any policies anymore.

but they had brought cash there a lot of cash in order to you know pay off policies and when they tried to leave the country with the cash the government told him you can't do it and so he had proposed to roger or roger proposed to him that the way to get it out was to spend it making a tv series and then sell the series abroad so you could hire local people to do the series and that's what he did he hired me

to do a TV series on African wildlife and culture. - Because you had a reputation already as somebody who was-- - Yeah, the environment. - Yeah. - Yeah. - And how did this experience change you and how it will affect the campaign and if you should win the presidency of the United States? This experience, of all the experiences you've had in your storied life. - I'll tell you what it did. It got me because I had,

I continue to have this weird relationship with Roger throughout his career because this was before he started Fox News. Always in a tent? He was a very funny guy. Roger Ailes? Really, he was like a comedian. You know who's funny? Ann Coulter is an incredibly funny... I was in a green room with her one time, but I don't know her really.

But it makes sense you were in a green room with her, yeah. No, I mean, again. Did you go on a date with her? Never. Everyone says that. It's insane. I believe I have never fucked a Republican.

Again, I would. It's like you vibe with certain people. I honestly can't. I know a couple I tried. But they're Republicans. They didn't do it. They're lost. Anyway. Yeah, Larry did that show about that. Larry? David. What show? It was an episode of Curb where...

He had kind of an arc over the season that when he married Cheryl, and he did this in his real marriage, he couldn't commit to the marriage because he felt that he could not imagine going out his entire life without ever sleeping with another woman.

So she agreed to a condition that after they were married, I think for 10 years, that he could have one night off. A hall pass? A hall pass. Wow. And so the woman who was coming on to him at that point, Cheryl says to him, you go ahead because she doesn't believe he can get anybody to sleep with him.

Exactly. But there was a woman, he was shooting at that time for Mel Brooks, the producers. He was making the play. And the cast member who plays, you know, the secretary, the ditzy secretary, was a blonde German woman. And she was, she had the hots for Larry. This is in the show. Really? Yeah. And so she agrees to this, you know, to...

to this Union and and he They go into their dressing room to consummate it and he's getting his undressed and he sees a picture that she has of Ronald Reagan on the wall and it just it kills it Really it always got me hard, but you know, he was such a prick and

God, when you think about where the Republican Party was under Reagan and how... I don't think this show is going to help me in my campaign. I think it's going to help you a lot. Honestly, you're making... I said this to you a half hour ago. You're making a bet. Lean into that bet. The bet is America is at a different place, and they are. Okay. They are...

I'm telling you. What do you have to lose? As Trump used it, what do you have to lose? I mean, you know, look, everybody was very impressed when you came out at 20%. I wouldn't have guessed that. That's a very high, and obviously some of that is name recognition, but it's also tapping into something. Now, that's a raging river. Can you channel that the right way? And also, what are you going to do when you're

Okay, so you're the nominee. Now you have to debate Trump with his shit. - Yeah, I feel like I'm the only Democrat who can beat Trump in a debate. - Yeah, that may be true. - Yeah. - Yeah, that may very well be true. - I mean, one of the reasons for that is I can hold, I can hold him responsible for the lockdowns. Lockdowns cost our country $16 trillion, and they shifted $4 trillion in wealth from the middle class to the super rich. The lockdowns while he was president,

created a billionaire a day and you know and bankrupted uh i mean he shut down 3.3 million businesses you're preaching to the converted on this all right i don't think any of the other democrats can no talk about that issue i mean and i feel like i um am that my element is debating people just the again i'm not on your level with knowing all the science but just on the

Macro just this idea we have in this country this which was exact exacerbated by this That we can avoid germs. It's not healthy and you can't talk about this in debate and you are you recommending this? Oh No, but but the debates will become About medical issues. We've never seen it wants to debate me about medical issues. I

Okay, but they're going to because...

You don't have to be right to win. You just have to get the crowd to think you're right or to applaud or to want to believe what you're fighting against something very powerful, which is that people, when it's their health, they're super scared. So what do people do when they're scared? They create this idea that there's this safe place. And what is the safe place? Western medicine, doctors. He's a doctor. He's got a white. If someone has a white lab coat on, they think God is talking.

That's the problem with the "the science people," you know, the ones who are wearing masks, walking alone outside, still. These morons. When they say "the science," yes, that's when you lose me completely. So anyway, I'm just saying- Yeah, you know, I've litigated hundreds of lawsuits, almost all of those lawsuits involve some kind of scientific controversy.

And every one of those lawsuits, there's experts on both sides. When I sued Monsanto, I had experts from Yale, from Harvard, and Stanford, and Monsanto had experts from Yale, Stanford, and Harvard. And the jury believed our experts.

You know, there's always experts on both sides of every... Right, and you can pay somebody to be... And you can pay somebody. They're called biostitutes. See, these kind of things, which seem a little boring and a little old in the past, but these are the kind of things I think really need to be brought to the forefront of your campaign. You sued Monsanto. I think a lot of people are in the belief that I am that Monsanto, kind of evil...

As far as my health goes, like, I know you want to grow as many crops as you can and you want to kill all the bugs and you don't care what dies with the bugs. But I was never a big Monsanto fan. So as a voter, if my vote's up for grabs and I hear, oh, Bobby Kennedy, did you know he sued Monsanto? He's the guy who went after that company with the fucking Roundup and whatever that shit is. That'd be like, yes, there's a guy who did something.

Because so much of this is just talk. I mean, what is Trump? It's just all talk. They don't approach it rationally. He always comes on stage with that promises kept banner behind him. Like, what promise does this guy ever keep? They don't care. So, I forget what the lesson was there, but I'm telling you I'm going to be your campaign manager before this is over. Or at least my debate coach. You're not going to... Your voice is a lot better.

I gotta tell you, I haven't talked to you in a while. I don't know what you did or what you've been doing. I had surgery. Okay, well, that settles that. Good. And it worked. I went to Japan. So you, like I, believe that surgery, like antibiotics, like vaccines that we don't need,

should be avoided, but we're glad they exist when you have to have them. I mean, if the surgery didn't exist, I'd be in trouble. Yeah. So, and again, Western medicine, you know what it does great? It's like when you're almost dead, it can stop that from happening. Like it's great in the 24th hour, you know what I mean? It's preventive medicine. They don't even know about it. They don't care about it. It's all I care about.

Let me ask you something. Do you consider yourself health conscious? To the extreme. So, um... As I said, I pick up the liquor in the pub. Because I... I challenge you to find someone more health conscious than me. Can I get a light? So what does that mean to you? Well... I mean, what is in here, for example? That...

That is liquid pot, Bobby. Liquid pot. That's what a pothead I am. Even when I'm drinking, I'm smoking pot. No, it's tequila. It's tequila. I just don't want to give any tequila particular brand an advertisement until they pay me for it. After all, we are not communists. I mean, you're a capitalist, right? You believe in capitalism? Yeah, free markets.

Thank you. That's something a Democrat needs to say. Democrats are too suspect about, first of all, they have an image, especially among immigrants, of they're kind of down on their own country. A little too much. Yes, we have a sorry past. It is the past. You can't do anything about it now. I mean, you can do things about it now, but it can't all be about the past. And we're just basically more...

Pessimistic and critical of ourselves than we are almost any other country We do have a lot of problems and had a lot of problems, but Democrats do not have a good reputation for being like yeah America fuck. Yeah, you know that consider yourself a Democrat. No, I never said I was in either one I was careful to say I do caucus with the Democrats. I was a liberal an old-school liberal not a woke liberal and

But Kennedy Democrat a Kennedy Democrat and an Obama Democrat when Trump was at a number you telling me that you're you're half Jewish half Irish Catholic yes, I was raised Catholic and

And was your, the mayor, is that, that could be an Irish name? Listen, don't get me on this subject because I don't, I love my father and, you know, but like once they're gone, you know, he's been gone 30 years or something, you don't think about them a lot. Kennedy's make me think about my father because my father was an Irish Catholic who, for him, in 1960, you know, before World War II,

just like Joe Kennedy and so many others. So they had that bond and they won and they were feeling good. And now an Irish Catholic is running for the White House and won. We love his politics. And I mean, your family is charismatic. I mean, that does count for a lot. So he was in his element. And he also loved Pope John, who was the pope at the time. He was the liberal pope. When Pope

Paul took over after him. My father got very disinterested in the Catholic Church, to which I say, fucking thank you, Jesus, because he finally quit it. And I didn't have to go to church anymore when I was 13. Until then, it was pulling teeth. But yes, the idea of an Irish Catholic, liberal, good-looking president, and my father had little kids at the time.

So you have little kids, you won the war,

Your dude is the Pope. Was he in the military? Yes. World War II, I'm telling you. He met my mother there. Well, they knew each other in high school briefly, but my mother was a nurse and he was in Patton's army. I think they hooked up in, I don't know if they hooked up. Too bad they're gone, I couldn't ask them, but they probably did. For fuck's sake, it was the war theater. You're going to hook up. But they saw each other in, I think, France and then...

I don't know, it was like 1945, it was the end I think, but the war was still going on. Very romantic way to start, you know. Yeah, and what did your dad do? He was in radio, radio news. So news was always in my family. It's probably why I went into this. He was kind of funny around the house and with his friends, and he was in news and kids, you know. I mean, I always thought it was so interesting that there's 11 kids in your family

But you're the one who got the name Robert, and you're the one who most resembles him in both, like, physically and what you say. I don't know if your father would agree with everything you say, but I think he'd be very proud of you. Well, thank you. I do think that, because he was such a ballsy guy. I remember my father once illustrating to me, it's so interesting, we read that thing from the Times, he was telling me about, you know, media and, like,

I think they were saying something like, Time magazine isn't objective. And he was saying, you can never be truly objective. And he said, if you love Bobby Kennedy, he's determined. If you hate him, he's ruthless. He used your father as the example. But I know he liked him. Yeah, that was kind of a common assessment. And then your mom was Jewish from where? Yeah, but not like a... She never, I think, was in a temple. I've never been in a temple. What was her last name?

Her last name? Berman. Berman? Berman. Berman, okay. Yeah. So it was like German? Yeah, or Hungarian. Hungarian. They moved to the suburbs of New Jersey in 1956, I think the year I was born, maybe the year before. And my mother walked across the street to say hello to the neighbor, Mrs. Schmidt.

And Mrs. Schmidt said to my mother, we're so happy Jews didn't move here. Because she didn't know she was Jewish. And her name was Mrs. Moore. She didn't look Jewish. And my mother never spoke to her for the next 30 years that they lived there. But that's where America was in 1955. Yeah.

No, I remember when my uncle ran. A black person in that neighborhood would be unthinkable. I remember when my uncle ran, and they were calling us mackerel snatchers, which was the pejorative for Catholics. They called you what? Mackerel snatchers. Mackerel snatchers. Yeah, because we ate fish on Fridays. Oh, yeah.

So stupid. I assume that's why, but that was one of the pejoratives I heard. But when my uncle ran, there was tremendous anti-Catholic prejudice because they thought the Pope was coming to the White House and that he would be running things there. That was the big issue in the campaign. That was the big issue. Yeah.

Oh, yes. They thought John F. Kennedy was going to take orders from the Pope. Yeah, and there was actually my wife, Mary Richardson, who died, was an architect. And she worked for an architecture firm that the head of the firm, there was a gay guy who ran the firm, and then a woman, a waspy woman named Sister Parrish. She had, because Sister is a wasp name.

Sometimes they use that. I've got to explain WASP because I've noticed, I'm sorry, through time, like that's something for only our generation. People don't know it means white Anglo-Saxon Protestant, which they were the people who ruled the whole country. They ran the whole country. Anyway, this woman had decorated, when Jackie hired her to decorate the White House,

And she came from a very conservative, you know, design firm in New York that was very sort of extremely high-end. And, of course, my Aunt Jackie was very conscious of style. But when it hit the newspaper...

at the woman who was decorating the White House was named Sister Parrish. There was outrage coming from the Southern Baptists and people who said, "Oh, here's a nun who is now decorating the White House, who's desecrating the White House." So can you actually imagine living in the White House? It must have so many positive and negative memories.

Yeah, I mean my cousins were raised in the White House and we went over there and played with them all the time. So I'm familiar with the building. I was there often as a kid. My father was working just down the street in the Justice Department.

And he'd often have us to lunch and then we'd go visit the White House. I went a couple of times to visit. I went once alone to visit my uncle and I had when I was six years old, I wrote him a letter saying I wanted to meet with him about the environment. And he had me in and I brought him a salamander, which I actually had caught the salamander the night before and it died because we had just switched from well water to city water at our house.

And the city water had chlorine in it. And the chlorine killed the salamander. So when I went and brought him to my uncle, he was already deceased. My uncle was pushing him with a pen saying, "I don't think he looks well." I mean, not to make everything about the health issue, but like what you just said about chlorine. Now, I probably went through the first 40 years of my life never thinking about chlorine. I'm just guessing at that number because learning is an evolution.

I was always interested in health to some degree. When I was poor, I couldn't afford to eat healthy. But, you know, I got it at a certain point. I still did a lot of pot and stuff and drugs. Okay, but I way cut down on drinking because that's the worst one, right? I mean, of all the things, what? I mean, cut down. I didn't say give up. I'm not a crazy person. And then I forgot what I was going to say.

You were talking about chlorine. Oh, chlorine, yes. Okay, so there's like one of those things that I know when I talk to people about health issues, a lot of the stuff that we think is absolutely common knowledge is not common knowledge. People don't know antibiotics anymore.

have bad effects also. They don't know really basic things because, of course, the medical establishment, it's not in their interest. I mean, you've seen all those pharmaceutical ads where like they quickly give off the side effects of a drug. But, you know, Prozempkin will make you feel great. But after they tell you, they list like 20 things. You know, it'll make your gallbladder fall out of your ass. There's always people having fun. Blinded.

People just want the happy story. But something like chlorine, which is like such a basic daily part of our lives, could be having a big effect on our health. Again, this is like a true, really important concept that the New York Times is gonna make fun of. But that if there is a way for you to like make that seeable to America, I think it's very powerful.

You're definitely the one guy to do it. If you're drinking from a water supply that has a lot of algae in it, chlorine can be very dangerous because it produces the interaction between a chlorine and organic material produces a family of chemicals called trihalomethanes, which are carcinogenic, they're turdogenic, they're mutagenic. People are aware that it could be bad, but you're right.

When we banned leaded gasoline in this country, IQs went up by about two points. Yes. So, you know, you can do things to people that could take 10 IQ points off you and nobody would notice it. But enough about Donald Trump. So what do you think about them indicting him for the purloined classified files? It's...

I mean, I thought the New York case was a terrible case. Me too. And they should never have bought that case. And I said that to Cheryl. We had a little bit of a row about that. She really doesn't like Donald Trump. Oh, chicks, huh? And I said, it's not about whether you like him or not. It's not a good case because...

It's a very inventive, kind of far-fetched case. It looks political because there's no reason really that you would bring that case other than if you wanted to get the guy. And it's a sex scandal, and people never see past sex in a sex scandal.

I'm not sure that was a sex scandal. Part of it, I guess, it was. Well, yeah, he was fucking a porn star. How come we can't get more and more sex in a sex scandal than that? You're right. And so it looked political. You know, I was a prosecutor, and prosecutors are supposed to be careful in bringing cases against that may look political or may the optics are political. You want to avoid the fact that the United States of America...

that politicians are weaponizing the judicial system to hurt their opponents. It's a bad thing in democracy, and prosecutors have to walk this line. You want to make sure that everybody knows that no matter how powerful you are, you have to obey the law. Nobody's above the law, but at the same time...

You have this countervailing pressure to avoid political weaponizing. And set precedents that can't be undone. Of course, because then your opponents the next time are going to do the same thing. It's an escalating, you know, it's an arms race after that. The one person in the world who, this is a tough dilemma to begin with, but the one person in the world

who makes this dilemma even worse, of course, is Donald Trump. Because everything he does, both the impeachment trial is completely justified by the letter of the law and the spirit also. The Stormy Daniels thing is completely justified by the letter of the law. I mean, if you want to talk about the campaign to pay somebody. And now this one about the files. What was in these files is...

Here's my question as someone who knows government in and out. How come like, okay, there's plans, they said, that were in the thing to like how we were going to attack Iran? Yeah. Why is that in a box? Like really? We keep that in a fucking box with Shaq's shoe? I mean, I'll tell you that the political issue here is also, I think, very troubling because

I think Pence also had classified data and Biden had it. And so the people are going to be saying, well, why aren't they going after Biden? And I don't know what Biden had or anything like that. And of course, Trump did it 10 times worse in every way because he's Trump. So anyway, I think it is, you know, there's parts of it that make me nervous. The thing is that I think it is, in this case,

whether it was justified to bring the case or not, that it's a really serious problem for him. And the reason for that is I don't even remember seeing, at least in the last decade, an important case like this where a judge allowed the penetration of the attorney-client privilege.

Normally, anything you say to your attorney is privilege and no court can force you to discourage that. It can't be used against you in any way. It's to protect this relationship with attorneys where you want the client to tell the attorney everything so that they can give you good advice. He's your advocate. He's an extension of yourself and you cannot compel him. Nobody can compel him to tell what those conversations were.

If you could do that, there are many, many Americans who'd be in deep trouble because people tell things to their attorneys that, you know, they confide things in them about laws they broke. And the exception for that is if the attorney was colluding with you to violate the law. I mean, if you tell an attorney, help me violate this law, it's a, you know, it's a conspiracy.

And in that case, the judge will order all of the, he will order the penetration of the attorney-client privilege. And in that case, all of your conversations become discoverable. It's not just the conversation where you were talking about violating that particular law that they found out about, but every conversation you had with them is now discoverable. And when that happens, I mean, the stuff that I've seen

is gonna be hard for anybody to explain. It's gonna be hard for President Trump to explain. I think he's, they're probably happy they're in Palm Beach trying this because he is popular down there. - But take me down the road. So I agree, when I read just some of the statements from his longtime supporters like Bill Barr who say, oh, well they got him dead to rights. I mean, okay, so.

Say they try him, say he gets convicted because the judges can surprise you. I know the judge is supposedly the wrong judge for this case, but the Supreme Court just made a ruling on the Voting Rights Act that surprised everybody. That was what liberals would call the right decision, and I thought it was the right decision. So who knows? OK, so say they convict him. He's in jail as he's running for president.

It's possible? It does not preclude him from holding the White House because there's only, I think, three qualifications for me. You know that would work for him. You know, the guy who ran against my uncle or ran against my great-grandfather, James Curley, who was the mayor of Boston, my great-grandfather, Honey Fitz, was the mayor of Boston. Right.

And he was elected to Congress while he was in prison. And so, you know, and there are many, Huey Long, I think, had... Well, also jail is the greatest accreditor of what a serious person you are. I mean, when you think about the people who have spent time in jail, like Nelson Mandela...

And you know what I mean? And Menachem Begin. No, really. I mean, like, if you spend time in jail for your cause-- Which I have done. Which you have done.

besides the tent with Roger Ailes. No, I was in jail for the summer of 2001. 2001? 2001, I was in maximum security prison. For what? What did you do? Max, in Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico? Yeah. But it was a federal, U.S. federal prison in Puerto Rico. Was it better or worse than the Ailes thing?

Why? What'd you do? I was suing the Navy for bombing the island of Viegas, which had caused all kinds of environmental problems and human health problems. Yes.

And I got a crooked judge who, you know, the Federal Court of Appeals gave me the injunction, declared he had to give me the injunction and he would not enjoy the bombing. And so the mayor, I was representing the mayor and 10,000 people on the island, and the mayor asked me to do his civil disobedience. And I said, you know, attorneys are supposed to be officers of the court, so you're not really supposed to violate the law under most circumstances.

But I said to him, how long will I go to, you know, will they put me in jail? And he said, probably just a few hours. And then, you know, when I did it, I got, I ended up in jail for 30 days. And I was in with Eddie Olmos, you know, Edward James Olmos. Of course. He came with me. The actor. Yeah.

He had a really interesting thing happen to him when he was in jail. He was with me when we got arrested. Oh, my God. A month? And then Dennis Rivera, who was the head of the biggest slavery in the United States, SEIU, and who had gotten me involved in this case, he also was in prison. There were 140 men on our cell block, and about half of them were political prisoners. When I got there, about 60 were.

And the rest of them were, you know, murderers, gangsters, you know, everything. But it was really, it was interesting. We had, for me, it was actually like a vacation because I was, I didn't have a cell phone.

And I didn't have to make any decisions. You know, I could only use the phone for 10 minutes a day. But it was prison? And it was prison. And I played basketball every day. I could never see prison as a vacation, I got to tell you. You're a badass. You are. People should know that. Like, that's like...

A big selling point when you're running for president. I mean, Trump in his way. I'm counting that nobody is actually watching this program. Oh, there are a lot of people going to watch this. How many people do you think watch this thing? Oh, we know how many people. Millions. Come on. No, podcasting. You could lose me in the election with this. No, this will get a million views easily. And, and.

Is it your opinion that people who are watching this are more likely? Not at the moment, but when we were... It's not live. There's a writer's strike. We couldn't possibly... No. No, people... Anyway, I'll tell you something. Do you want me to tell you a story, a good story? Oh, I'm so glad you reminded me. Yes, tell me a story, and then I'll show you this. Well, you want to show me that? I was going to tell you what happened. No, I want to hear your story. When we got arrested...

We were on a boat and we ran the blockade. We had fishermen on the boat who had masks on, they had baklava's on because they had all been arrested. And every time you get arrested, you get more time.

and the numbers were painted out on the boat, and we were pursued by two, there was two boats, one of them were filled with people from the band Menudo. - Menudo. - Remember Menudo? - Of course. - But they got turned back by the Coast Guard. - Menudo. Wow.

And the people who came to my trial, you know, Jesse Jackson came to my trial, Nancy Pelosi did, Benicio Del Toro, and he came to visit me in jail with his dad. The trial was in San Juan? Yeah. Wow. Jesus Christ. Yeah. I mean, that's... And then after you got out of prison, you wrote the Band on the Run album. Yeah.

So listen, this is the thing I was given by Israel. No, not Israel. But like, I don't know, it was when Israel was 70. The ambassador used to do our show. I loved him. Okay, so it's all the people who were good to Israel. You know, Reinhold Niebuhr and this dude, Zarias Truman. And my dad's in there. And your dad's in here. Okay, this is what I want to ask you about. Because...

i've heard you talk about this recently and we know on may 26 1968 your father made a statement that we must defend israel against aggression from wherever source our obligations israel unlike our obligation towards other countries are clear and imperative the us should without delay sell israel 50 phantom jets

Okay, a day later Kennedy's strong plea for the defense of Israel appeared in the Pasadena Independent the article enraged a Palestinian named Sirhan Sirhan He wrote in his diary Robert F. Kennedy must be assassinated before June 5th Which was the first the first anniversary of the 67 six-day war in Israel the Pasadena Independent was in his pocket and

when he committed the act. He was killed because of his support for Israel, says Kathleen Kennedy Townsend. That's not the case? That's not the truth? Well, you know, he was... Sirhan was involved in the murder of my father, but he did not fire the shots that killed my father. Oh, and that... Didn't he want to... But according to this...

Is that wrong that he read this story, was enraged as a Palestinian? I mean, the idea that the article was in his pocket when he committed the act, is that wrong? That could be right. You know, I don't speculate as to what happened. All I say is that Sirhan himself could not have killed my father. And that's what Thomas Noguchi, who is the coroner, you know, and by the way,

My entire life, I believe that my uncle was killed by, not by, you know, by a conspiracy, by a group of people. And I had doubts about that from when I was little because when I was, the day that we, my uncle was, we were waking my uncle in the East Room of the White House and I was standing in the foyer of the White House with my Aunt Jackie and with my dad and my mother. And John, Lyndon Johnson came in and told us

that Jack Ruby had killed Lee Harvey Oswald. For the people who are young people, Lee Harvey Oswald was the person who was charged with killing, arrested for killing my uncle.

And a day later, he was killed in the jailhouse by a guy who came in. A nightclub owner. What? A nightclub owner. A nightclub owner. Named Jack Ruby. Who was deeply involved with the mob. Not the worst nightclub owner I ever worked for, but an asshole nonetheless. Anyway, and I had said to my dad and my mother at that time, why did he do it? Did he love our family? Because even as a little kid, it

It didn't make any sense to me. Why would you go do that in public when you're putting your own life at stake? And so that story never made any sense. And then, you know, when I was older, I researched it. Somebody gave me a book called The Unspeakable, and I read it, and the whole story made sense. But I still believe that my father had been killed by Sir Anne. Sir Anne confessed to the murder. He pled guilty. And, you know, his story is that he has no memory of it.

And he stuck with that story for 60 years. But Paul, the man who was, there was a man standing, one of my father's best friends, was standing beside him when my father was shot. And his name is Paul Schrade. He was the deputy director of the United Auto Workers. And he's the guy who recruited Cesar Chavez to the labor movement, the United Farm Workers,

and then introduced my father to Cesar Chavez, which was one of the most important relationships that my father had. And the first shot that Sir Anne fired hit Paul in the head. Paul survived, and he just died less than a year ago. And he spent the last 20 years of his life trying to get Sir Anne out of jail.

Because he did not believe that Sir Ann killed my father. And I just sort of dismissed what over years I'd hear that he was, that Al Lowenstein, who you may remember, was trying to get Sir Ann out. Because Al Lowenstein was a congressman, a great friend of my father's, started the Dump Johnson movement. He was later assassinated himself. He became a congressman and was killed later.

But he fought for many years to get Sirhan out and get the case reopened because he did not believe that my father was killed by Sirhan. But I never looked into any details. I just assumed there were 77 eyewitnesses. Sirhan killed Robert Kennedy. And then Paul Schrade made me come over to his house one day and read the autopsy report. How did he make me? He told me, you have to do this. And because...

He was such a close friend of my father's and because he himself had been shot, you know, I felt like I couldn't say no to him. And when I sat down and read the autopsy report, it became clear to me as it would to anybody who read that report that Sir Ann could not have killed my father, which is what Thomas Noguchi, the coroner, the most important coroner probably in American history, concluded also and said in his autobiography. And here's what happened, the short story.

Sirhan fired two shots at my father. He was five feet away. There was, as I said, many, many, there was absolute mayhem in the kitchen of the Ambassador Hotel. My father just won the primary. He said from the stage, and now it's on to Chicago, which is where the convention was. Then he walks off the stage and he went into a route that was not expected. He was led into a route through the kitchen, which he was not supposed to go to, and waiting in the kitchen in an ambush,

with Sirhan Sirhan standing in front of a steam table. And as my father approached the steam table, Sirhan fired at him two shots. One of those hit Paul Schrade. The other one went past my father's ear and hit a doorjamb behind my father, a wooden doorjamb from which it was later removed by the LAPD. Sirhan was then grabbed by six men

in a dog pile and he was backed onto the steam table and his hand, Rayford Johnson, who was a great friend of mine, one of my father's close friends, he was the Decathlon gold medal winner in 1960. He was one of the people who grabbed it and he was the one who actually grabbed his hand and he said, that sir hand, who's a tiny little man, I've been to meet him,

And visited him in prison. He said the tiniest, tiniest little guy. But Rafer said he had superhuman strength. And he could not get that gun out of his hand. And Sirhan now was pointing the gun away from my father and fired six more shots. So there's eight shots in the barrel. He fired six in the other direction, the opposite direction from where my father was. All of those shots hit people.

So we know who they hit. We know what happened to all of those bullets. One person got shot twice, once through his clothing. And my father was shot four times from behind. So it's the same scenario as Oswald. Let me just finish. A patsy and a real shooter. Right. So he was a distractor.

And the real shooter was behind my father. He was a man called Eugene Dane Caesar, who was a security guard who worked for Lockheed. He was a CIA operative. He was a vocal, vocal racist who hated the Kennedys. And he had been the one who led my father through the kitchen toward the ambush. He was holding my father's arm. He drew his gun. And my father was shot four times from behind.

One of the shots passed through the shoulder pad of his, harmlessly through the shoulder pad of his coat. The other two were into his back and then one behind his ear, which was the fatal shot. And all of the shots had an uphill trajectory. So, and all of them, and this is what the autopsy found,

were contact shots. So the barrel of the gun was touching my father's body or his clothing. And they left carbon, the discharge left carbon tattoos or less than an inch from his skin. So they left carbon tattoos on his flesh.

and the autopsy was an exquisite autopsy it's called the perfect autopsy thomas nguye who knew what had happened to president kennedy's autopsy which was you know loaded with scandal did not want the same thing to happen in l.a and he said we're not going to do dallas again so he flew in the top corners from all of the armed services the army air force navy marines to observe what he was doing and his autopsy is called the perfect autopsy

in the medical literature. And, you know, he concluded that the shots had come from behind and there were 77 eyewitnesses

who saw that Sirhan was never behind my father. He was always in front of him, always about five feet away, and all the shots that killed him. Now, he fell, and as my father fell, he must have known he was being shot from behind because he turned around and grabbed off Cesar's clip-on tie. And you can see pictures of him lying on the floor, and he's actually lying on top of Cesar.

with the clip-on tie in his hand and there's pictures of Cesar without his tie on. Cesar pushed my father off him and stood up. He was knocked out when my father fell onto him. He stood up and was seen with his gun. The police did not confiscate the gun that night and they asked him what he was doing and he said he drew the gun to shoot at Sirhan. And then...

That's the beginning of the story. And then Cesar made a series of changing, deceptive lying statements after that in the different times he was questioned over many, many years.

I cannot tell you what happened. I can speculate about it, but I can tell you that I cannot see any way that anybody can read that autopsy report and believe that Sir Ann killed my father. And that's my point is that it ought to be investigated. There was no trial. It was a show trial. An attorney whose name was Grant, I forget what his last name was,

He appeared, nobody knows how, and became Sir Ann's attorney. Who was he? He was the attorney for Johnny Roselli, the mobster who was implicated in John Kennedy's assassination in Dallas five years earlier and was later chopped up and put in a barrel when the assassination committee summons him to testify, when the church committee summons him in Biscayne Bay, Miami. His body was found in Miami.

He disappeared the day he was supposed to testify in front of the church committee on the assassinations. And he was involved at that time in the Friars Club scandal. You know what the Friars Club scandal is? No. You know what the Friars Club is? I certainly do that. Right, okay. And you've probably been there and followed the gross and stuff. So that was...

Ron Roselli was one of the people who was running it and the other, Mickey Cohen, the L.A. mobster. And they were doing card games there. So they had poker games. It was a place where the famous people, you know. Yeah, it's a club. Comedians went to play poker. Yeah, it's a club. And they had installed cameras in the ceiling so they could read everybody's hands. Oh. And they got busted for it.

And that trial was going on when my father was killed. And the attorney for Roselli at that time was the guy who weirdly showed up, nobody can explain why, and became Sarant's attorney. And he was under federal investigation because somehow Roselli had been able to obtain evidence

The grand jury testimony, which is utterly, that's a jailhouse sentence. You cannot, that is like stealing the U.S. mail. If you steal grand jury testimony, it's such a serious crime that you're going to go to jail. The lawyer got blamed for it. So he was, himself was under federal investigation and was about to get disbarred. And he then, representing Sirhan,

He was involved in concealing evidence. He was the one who told Suriname to plead guilty. And he blocked the ballistics evidence. The bullets that killed my father were different than the bullets, came from a different gun than the bullets that killed other people or shot other people. Nobody else died. So... Anyway, there's a lot of questions that should be answered. And if you look at the evidence, it doesn't make any sense. And then the...

I mean, the LAPD. I will never trust a guy in a bow tie again. I mean, a clip on tie. But it just must be so frustrating that this seems like so clear cut, but like the whole world thinks the reverse. Yeah, it's a conspiracy theory. Yeah. Well, that's, yeah. But it's not. I mean, you convinced me. Anyway, I'm going to let you go. I...

Hope this does well for your campaign that I really think you in the mix is a great thing because Certainly somebody's got to keep them honest and the one thing I can count on you like when we ever agree I on everything No, who do you agree? I die over that nobody and you shouldn't we're humans, but you know Somebody has to keep them honest. And the one thing I think I can count on you is you're not a guy who's going to

Shake the Etch-a-Sketch. Remember Mitt Romney? Shake the, like, you're not going to attack, I don't think. Or maybe you will. I don't know. Maybe, you know, if you get close, it's going to be very tempting to, you know, go more to the center and disavow. Nothing in your past tells me you'll do that. You are a guy. Love me or hate me. Disown me. I am sticking to what I know or what I believe I know.

That I think I can count on. I think that's going to count a lot. Counts a lot with me. Thank you so much. Yeah, thank you. I appreciate it. All right. Good luck. You need help getting out of there. I need help in general. Wow, you're such a teetotaler and I look like such a drunk.