Julian Lennon | Club Random with Bill Maher
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LinkedIn, the place to be, to be. Hey, you're laughing already. I didn't do anything. It's going to be great. How are you? What a great pleasure. No pleasure for me. Well, please. I see you know where you're set. I do. I do. I hope that I didn't inconvenience your travel. I know you don't live here. No. So you're here doing something.

I know you didn't come all the way from me, but whatever reason, I'm thrilled you're here. I'm happy to be here. Okay. But, I mean, you know, L.A. is not like some place you find yourself too often. I do. Oh, you do? Oh, I do, yeah. Oh, I see already. I don't know that. Well, I used to live here, you know, 20...

something years ago. Just around the corner, actually, five minutes from here. Oh, my God. I always thought you lived in England. No, no. Oh, God. No, I left England probably coming up to the, just after the first album. Because when the first album took off, it really took off in America. Oh, I remember. So for me, it was...

I remember that song. Well, I first moved to New York, and then New York almost killed me. In fact, that was the last and first time I saw you and met you. Was when? It was in New York. In the 80s? Yeah. At some theater. That song was your... A theater that was a club. I mean, you know, Christ, yeah.

But I remember it quite vividly because you were talking about

Me coming on the show, whichever show that was. Oh, that must have been the 90s. What am I, politically incorrect? Yeah, probably. Yeah, I had no show in the 80s. Yeah, yeah. But I remember that song was ubiquitous when it came out. Which song? Too Late for Goodbyes. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I remember you were on the cover of Rolling Stone, and of course they had to say, here comes the sun, even though it's not a John Lennon song. Yeah, yeah. So it doesn't really work. It's not as clever as they thought it was. No, of course, I know. I know.

Listen, you know, it was to be expected, I think. And, you know, it was going to be, I think, a battle. Not a battle, but something I had to be conscious of.

And, you know, trying to make a name for yourself in my position was a very difficult thing to do. You know what? You did great. Thank you. With a hand that you were dealt that is some good things. It is extraordinarily difficult to be the son of a great man, no matter how great you are. You're almost in a no-win proposition. Correct. You kind of dealt an unwinnable hand.

Correct. It's like you've been dealt a 21. If I live in that world, yes. Yeah. Well, yes. But...

Which I kind of do. But I'm trying to extract myself from that. But, you know, I also think it's so smart to embrace the Beatle past. Because, first of all, you're never going to be able to get away with it. No, of course not. And it's a great legacy. And you're an honorable continuer of it. I mean, you've made very good records.

Thank you. It was never-- Not a lot of people heard them, but yes, thank you. I've heard them. Yeah. There's a lot-- there's a few songs that I feel like-- I'll tell you this. I would just watch the Peter Jackson one again. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And "Don't Let Me Down" was never my favorite. Yeah. It's not terrible. It's still in my iPod. But it was just not my favorite. Maybe it's too repetitive or something. But your song--

which is i i notice you're not afraid to like which i like because it's again it's like you you can't escape it so embrace it love don't let me down oh yeah i like that song better than don't let me down really yes okay well thank you but there's some there's a couple of uh jacob dylan songs right that i like probably better than his father's you know

Well, we all have our moments. What are you saying? I'm crazy because I feel that way? No, no. Remember the wallflowers? They were good. Yeah, they were. And he's a nice guy. He is. And I don't think you can dismiss the sons or daughters of artists, especially if they picked up on a few things. Yes. I mean, I've...

It's been a long life, and I've worked hard at what I do to write, to be a good songsmith. You do so many other things. Maybe not as commercial as some, perhaps, but I've stuck to my guns on that, so to speak. I really...

I've tried to be faithful to... I'm similar. I'm not the most commercial. Yeah. You know, really. And that's okay. It's better to have a great niche...

than a big bunch of shit. Yeah, no, I agree. Now look, I'm not saying that people who have giant followings can't also be good because they certainly can, like the Beatles. Sure, sure. No, of course, of course. It's funny, I watched that documentary just a couple of nights ago. Which one? The one about George living in a material world. Yeah, I did too. And yeah, it was quite...

shocking to see that whole episode at the end towards the end of his life and really I don't think I grasped it fully before and it saddened me that I didn't reach out more you know because this is the time between when he was stabbed yeah I mean we were close but not close you know knocking on the door like an uncle yes right kind of

No, I mean, when you watched this Peter Jackson documentary, you watched it. Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah. I saw the shorter version, the 100-minute version at the theater when it was first being introduced, and Peter Jackson was introducing it. And, you know, I went with Sean, and I was unsure of...

of how I was going to feel about all of this. Initially, I didn't want to go. I just thought, I really don't want to be in the middle of this.

But Sean said he was going. I said, all right, all right. Well, brotherly love, we'll go. We'll stand united and we'll deal with whatever comes up. But again, to my point, you're always put in a corner because if you don't go, that looks bad. So you kind of have to. I wasn't. Don't worry about that stuff anymore. Yeah, but you kind of have to. You look like a spoilsport if you don't. Well, I'm trying not to worry about that stuff anymore. Anyway, so you went. So I went.

And I was beyond surprised, actually. I loved the fact that in the 100-minute version, Peter Jackson was there commenting, coming in about every 20 or 40 minutes or so. I don't know if you saw that version. No, I didn't. So he's sitting in a nice chair like this with Beatles artifacts. That's not a nice chair. It's comfortable. It's very comfortable. And he's got guitars and Beatles artifacts around him. And...

He's explaining certain setups and situations. And as each time you came back to him, which was every half an hour or so, 20 minutes, half an hour, you know, he'd have a different guitar in a different position and the hair was slightly, you know, bonkers like that. So he actually took the edge off of the whole thing.

any stress that was there and allowed Sean and I and everybody else to relax in that circumstance. Let me tell you, as someone who is outside the circle, so you can get some information, you can't possibly glean being so close to it. Just as a fan, a young man in the 22nd row...

who sees Marilyn as something more than sexual. Yeah. She's not just our Marilyn Monroe to me. Okay, that guy in the 22nd row, this documentary was very affirming because how anyone could watch it for nine hours? I did that after the fact.

Okay, but I'm talking about the nine-hour one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, yeah. That is the entire month of January. It's January 1969. Yeah, yeah. Now, I don't know what happened before. I don't know what happened after. But I feel like I know where your father was in that month. Right. Because there's a lot of footage. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was, first of all, he and Paul McCartney are in love.

Yoko, is she there all the time? Yes. He never even looks at her. He never talks to her. It's just like a potted plant. He's in love with Paul McCartney. Of course, because, first of all, they're working. But the whole thing is them, and your father, certainly not on drugs. And how...

Happy to be there and working with his boys and his family. Well, the thing was it reminded me of him when I saw him as a kid. It was a fond recollection because it was him being himself and being mad and bonkers and...

and funny and creative. And it just reminded me of the good things about him, because I'd lost a lot of that over the years one way or the other. Yeah. I mean, and it is, you could, look, just like a love affair, and I'm not saying there's a gay element here, they're just two guys who love each other. I get it. But, you know, when people love each other, certainly men and women, it's

It's a lot of like inside jokes. Of course, yeah. Right, and just looks. Paul and John are doing this to each other throughout the whole thing. They don't do it to the other two. No, no, no. And they certainly don't do it to their girlfriends. Linda comes to them a little bit, but it's like they are just so third wheels. It's their world. It was their world completely. That really was, I'm telling you, to the fan.

to think that they that that when we were told there's so much i guess you know

because I'm going to believe my lying eyes, so much bullshit that they hated each other. Oh, I know, I know. They had their moments. It's just like anybody else. There must have become a time in the hate because we have the evidence, like your father wrote some songs, like very mean. But it's obviously, again, it's more like a love affair. It's not apathy. It's like, I hate you. You don't want to be with me anymore. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, really. No, I agree with you. I agree with you 100%. It's a great love affair. Yeah. And it didn't end just like a real love affair. You know, it just couldn't go on, I guess. But wow. And it's funny, the older I get and the more that I meet Paul in later years, the more I can see that from him, which I didn't get that much of earlier in life. But certainly, you know, Paul did this whole National Gallery thing

exhibition of all of his early pictures, which was, I went to the opening with, Paul asked me to come along and I hadn't seen him for a long time except a random person

meeting in Heathrow Airport when we both had delayed flights. Apart from that, you know... Paul McCartney flies commercial? He was in Heathrow Airport, yeah. Billionaire Paul McCartney. He was in Heathrow Airport, sitting on his own, just chatting away a lot with his earpods in,

some conversation. And a friend of a friend said, your Uncle Paul's outside. And I said, what? And so I sneak outside, come up behind him and say, hey, Paul. And he almost said, heart attack, of course. And we sat there chatting away for a little bit. Well, I mean, you have so much history with that guy. I mean, and again. Yeah, but we've never, you know, it's weird. And I've said this a number of times that we're close, but we're not friends.

that close. I mean, we know a great deal about each other, but we've never even done this. Really? I mean, apart from that moment in Heathrow. And we keep saying that, and he keeps telling me, and we're going to try and push for this this year, sooner than later anyway.

to actually, you know, he keeps telling me, I've got so many stories about your dad that I've never told anybody that want you to hear about. And, you know, he gave me some samples that I'd never heard before. Um,

But we've just got to find the time and lock in the time to do that. Do it like yesterday. I know, I know, I know. Really. Because I think also for him, because for him, I mean, just talking to you now, I mean, I never met you before for more than a minute. We never certainly talked like this. Certainly, yes. But talking, I see it's the best of your father without any artifice from you. You're not trying. So for him, I think that would be such a delightful thing.

the closest thing he'll ever have to talking to his old friend. And you turned out well. It's not like you turned out a ne'er-do-well or full of yourself or any of the bad qualities. There's been moments, but same with all of us. Yeah, I never read anything bad. Well, yeah.

Back in the day. Why? Were you naughty or something? No, not really. You got out of a limo and your pussy was showing? No, I had my moments, but not quite like that. No, I was a bit of a naughty boy at times. But I was always concerned. From day one, I've always been concerned about my mum. Mum was everything to me, Cynthia. Right.

I mean, partly the reason why I am the way I am is because I wanted her to be proud of me. And so I never wanted to do anything that would upset her. And so that was a big focus for me throughout life. It's amazing the way parental cycles... Now I fucked that sentence up. That's okay. The way they go in cycles.

You know what I mean? Like what is visited upon an adult, I mean a child, when they become a parent, they visit it on their child. You know what I mean? There's certain elements, for sure. Yeah, no question about that. I mean, your father certainly was...

Felt abandoned. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. But in Indy County, did it to you. Yeah, I know. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, I've said this before, by the way, but that was one reason I didn't want to have kids at an early age. And you never had them? Huh? And you never had them? There's still time, as far as I'm concerned. But so far, you haven't? No, no. Me neither. No, no.

See? Well, we're in some kind of club. I'm not sure. That's random enough. 60 is the new child list. It is. Absolutely. But, you know, I just knew that cycle. But you want one, you say. Oh, yeah, I'd like one. See, that's the difference. I think I want one.

I know I don't. Right. Like this is the one thing in my life that is so consistent. Like when I was a child, I didn't like children. And it just is a complete flat line through my whole life. It never changed. Well, you know, the only other choice is that if Sean beats me to the punch or pip or whatever you call it, then at least I can, you know.

He doesn't have a kid either. No, but I think... And he's not a kid himself anymore. No, not at all. It shocks me every time I speak to him. Right. What is he, 45? He's up there, yeah. Yeah. I can't... It hurts my head. It's amazing that I'm still 40 and these people keep asking me. Well, I agree with you because that's how I feel. Yeah. You look great for your age. I mean, unbelievable.

Yeah, you don't have to be decrepit. People think... I hate that. I do too. It really ticks me off. What do you think about the people who say Biden is too old to run? Does the look say it all? I was going to say, are you just going to do a take? What are you, John from... I mean, who's the guy in the office? Listen, you know, if he can perform, then I, you know, maybe it's okay. But I'm...

But I tend to stay out of politics. But it's not even politics. If he can do the job, then I think it's okay. He's doing the job. I mean, look. Or his team is. Do I love everything? No. But, like, I just kind of resent the... Oh, he's just...

Beyond help. Ages of my whole thing annoys the crap out of me. It's not a problem that any other president would have if we weren't in the television media age. Yeah. Lincoln didn't have to worry about stuff. They just got on with the business. Right. It all happened behind closed doors, which is where a president does his work with his fucking staff in the Oval Office, making important decisions. And then they do the work.

They don't need somebody reading prompters and getting on bicycles. All the bullshit that he gets. It's the kissing babies thing. Well, Joe with a baby, he molests babies. This has to stop also, I know. He's terrible. But I'm just saying, like...

All the places they catch him looking bad are things he really shouldn't have to be doing in the first place. If you weren't such babies and demanded that the president kiss our fucking babies. I agree. I agree. I agree 100%. All right. Yeah. But I'm glad you don't get too political because that's what...

The reason I started this podcast was like, I have a show about politics. Yeah. I'm looking not to do that. Yeah, yeah. For me, it's a bit of a bus mentality. You get nothing from me. Good. But you are an environmentalist. That's a political. I care. Yeah. Well, we all care. But, I mean, you take it a little further. I mean, you do things. I try. Yeah. I try. It's not, you know, I do it in my own little way. I mean, predominantly it's...

You know, it's covered by donations from the public, you know, and anybody else that cares. And I just focus it on the issues that I care about, you know. Yeah, I mean, look, I think even detractors of mine, if you said environmentalist, they would say yes. He's always been out front on that issue. I remember in my youth, younger years, that...

I used to love, oh my God, what was it called? Crack? No, no. Talking about smoke. Sensamea. Sensamea.

I just used to fall off the chair laughing at everything. I remember that word. Sensimia, the smell was amazing. Was it a type of pot? Yeah, yeah. And it just made you laugh. Piss your pants. Yeah, that was amazing. Well, I think, I mean, when I first, I didn't start until I was 19, which is late.

Okay. I was smoking regular cigarettes by, you know, started about 11 years old. 11? Oh, yeah, 11, 12 years old. Why? Because it wouldn't make you look cool? That's what all the kids in Liverpool and the neighborhood were doing, you know. But you weren't in Liverpool when you were 11. I was actually in Hoy Lake in 1921.

and Mel's, which was the Wirral, which is 20 minutes by train from Liverpool. So I was that close, you know. It was a bit more country-fied and a bit more... You were probably born in 63, right? Correct, yeah.

John wasn't still living at Menlove Avenue, was he, in 63? No. But you don't remember Liverpool. You grew up in, when they moved closer to London, like didn't he live in the suburbs of London in the mid-60s? There was, I'm trying to think where we were. Surrey was the place that I remember. Kenwood, Surrey, which was this beautiful old Tudor house. So it's a suburb of London? Yeah.

Like you can drive into London. It's another county. Yeah, yeah. It's like 45 minutes an hour away. It's like exactly where I grew up with New York City. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, the rich people live out in the night suburb. Of course. So that's the house you remember? That's the house I mostly remember spending time with him and doing things with him. Oh, okay.

That was just before Yoko came along. But that's where I remember lots of people coming over, lots of celebs coming over. That's where I remember going on the back of Dad's little monkey bike to Ringo's, who used to live around the corner. Oh, really? That's where I remember being on the roof of the house making balsa wood planes with the rubber bands and flying them into sunsets.

and things like that. So, you know, father and son stuff, you know, that was kind of, it was kind of good and cute back in the day. And this is where like Paul would drive up so they could write songs together? Yeah, I believe so, yeah, yeah. Were you ever, did you ever catch any of that going on in the house? No, that was, Dad had his little studio in the attic. So I never kind of went up there. That was out of bounds for me. Although I was locked in one of those rooms when there was a party once. That's another story.

what's that story well it's just you know there was a big party going on and those mom decided it was best I think was kept out of the way of whatever was going on downstairs they were doing drugs I have no idea there's a lot of noise that's all I remember and you're not joining drugs now no no not really nothing you don't even drink

I do. I do. But, you know, I came around here, in fact, to get some painkillers as I've got a major headache. You're here specifically to club random or to California? Both. No, I'm a solid Jack Daniels, Jack and Coke drinker. Did we get you what you wanted? Yeah, but I... But you don't drink a lot.

I'm one of those kind of binge drinkers. Really? Yeah, I don't really drink at all. I can't drink in the day. I don't want to drink. I like being clear and focused. Right. You're too old to binge drink. You can binge drink when you're 30. Oh, no. If I've done a lot of good work and I've got a Friday night off and I know that I'm not working for a few days after, I'll take it out until the sun's up.

without any problem. You're kidding. You're fucking English. Your ability to fucking the English and the Irish to put away liquor. I've been I drove through England twice. It was fun. Once like in the 90s. I just remember

that we would go into the pubs, wherever it was. And first of all, I loved the idea of the pub because unlike America, it did not segregate by generation. Yeah. We completely segregate by generation. You would never see someone who wasn't the appropriate age. Right, right. Bar, you know, they gather only with people their age. And here it's neighborhood. It's by geography. Yeah. Old and young. But there were so many people passed out on the bar stools. Yeah.

Famous for that. And it was not considered socially unacceptable. Yeah, I didn't quite get that far, but yeah. I think you call it pissed, getting pissed. Oh, yeah, getting pissed, which of course here means angry. Yes, exactly.

What are you on today? Tequila? I think that's a favorite. I'm having a little tequila. But I drink better. You know, if it was a Friday night, I'd be all in. Why? Because you've got to do something tomorrow? I've always got to do something. Really? Yeah, yeah. You don't take vacations? Hardly. Really? Yeah. What, you're just a workaholic? Yeah. Really? Yeah. I guess I'm... I've been trying to take some time out to breathe.

but there's always something going on somewhere, you know, and I can't seem to switch off properly. It's a problem. It's a real problem because it'll kill me in the end if I don't. But, I mean, at the end of last year when I finished, I got to a point after two and a half months of being out here doing promotion for Jude where

and especially lots of radio stuff. And it got to the point where I just said, I've got to stop. I'm going to lose the plot here. And I told my manager, Rebecca, I've got to get... Why? Why was it so bad? Well, what was... Well... They just asked stupid questions? Yeah, a lot of them. You know, a lot of it was live, you know, and you'd...

I can't exactly remember the stations or locations, but, you know, you'd send them a bio with everything you've been doing for five years. They don't read it. They don't even... I know what you're talking about. Of course I do radio interviews. Of course. And it's like they'll read something off it. It's like a book I put out in 1993. Like, they didn't even look what year. So you've got this book...

Does anybody have a problem with that? Yeah, it came out in 93. My favorite was that really just I just lost the plot. Well, I didn't actually. I kept stum, but I think you're aware that I changed my name by deed poll. You know, I heard that I never knew your name really was John Julian Lennon. Yeah, John Charles Julian. I had to absorb that first. Yeah, yeah. And now you're...

switching the plot again. Yeah. Julian, Charles, John. And why? Because it was like travel was a... It was just a nightmare all the time. I mean, travel was a nightmare. More increasingly so with security and, I mean, you know, even...

going to appointments here in LA with labels or this, that, and the other. You know, you go to security, they give you a sticker saying John Lennon. I'm going, really? And airlines and tickets. And you look like him. Yes and no. Yes. You look like him. You sound like him. I look more like mum, I think. Or my uncle Tony, to be honest. I mean... But I can really slide under the radar. I'm very good at just...

Yeah, I like daily life. I like shopping. I like going and picking the fruit that I want to eat, et cetera, et cetera. I do all that. But I just was a bit tired of being the second John is what I've sort of been. So where are you living now? I live in Monaco. Monaco, fuck. As a base, as a base, yeah. Ringo lived there for a long time, didn't he? He did in a building that looked like a prison.

He lived in a building? He lived in a high-rise that looked like a prison. Oh, a high-rise. Yeah, yeah. It's still there. It's quite an ugly building. And what kind of place do you have? I have a little apartment that I literally, I've had to move around a few times, but I finally bought a one-bed apartment in the port in between...

pole position in the first corner of the Grand Prix. I'm not a big Grand Prix guy, but it's fun sometimes to be there. But other than that, what is the attraction in Monaco? Taxes? Yeah, saving your money. Why? So there's no taxes there. Is that why people... Yeah.

But it must be gorgeous also, right? There's elements. I mean, it's... Isn't it right on the water? Yeah, it's definitely right on the water, but... I'm getting this from moving. I mean, the main old center, the town center with the classic casino and the Hotel de Paris and the Café de Paris, those kind of things. And yeah, being right on the water, yeah.

Also, France is just there, which is beautiful. And I love France and the French countryside. But also, Italy is literally 30 minutes away. It's not even 30 minutes away. And I love Italy. My first stepfather was Italian.

Roberto Bassanini. And he was literally like an older brother rather than a father to me. Who was he? Huh? Who was he to you? He was my stepfather, my first stepfather. I see. So Cynthia married. Yes, mum remarried Roberto in the 70s. And he was straight up Italian. Oh, full on. Right. Full on. How did she meet him?

It came about from several introductions and groups of people. I don't know the actual finer details, but his family were involved in restaurants and hotels and stuff like that. He was like the black sheep of the family, though, because he was very naughty. She got dealt a tough hand, too. Oh, yeah. Oh, no, for sure. Your mother, oh. Oh, no, no. You know, I'd always felt she'd, you know, had it hard. And...

For me, again, it was about protecting her and looking after her in every way, shape, and form that I could. Also, I must say, there's this thing that men do. Like, I don't want to start a fight with them. We finally repaired our relationship, well, before the pandemic, and we're getting along great, Howard Stern. Oh, okay. But like, you know, and when he did my show,

real-time show, like right before the pandemic. And, you know, he's kind of razzing me in a good nature. I'm sorry I didn't see that because I watch your show often. Oh, you can YouTube it. He was only on once ever, so there's that. And he's saying to me, like, you know,

But Bill, you're successful, but you don't have a, don't you want to settle down? And he goes on about how much he loves his wife, Beth, which he has been doing on the air for like 10 years. But we know Howard had this other wife before Beth. So he's trying to make me seem like I'm the slightly immoral one because I won't settle down. And all I could think of is, how does this gushing about the second wife, how does that make the first wife feel?

Yeah, yeah. Could we just not gush about the person while the other person still can hear it? Yeah. Well, it depends how it all ended, really, I think. I think it depends how she feels about the whole circle. Who's she? The first wife. She might have been happy to get out of the whole thing.

Yeah, but it's still, I don't care. It's still gross. It's still mean in a way. Yeah. To be like, oh. And celebrities. There's a lot of that going on. Stupid celebrities do it all the time. All the time. Like, I was not alive before her. Everything I was doing must have been like taking a shit compared to being with this woman I'm with now. And the first check is like, what the?

I just think, well, especially in Hollywood, of course, this is such an incestuous town in that relationship. Yes. It's, you know, it's...

They're jumping beds every other frigging week. And they're on dying love every six months to a year going, I found true love. And then the next minute, they're shacking up with someone else. I feel like a lot of what celebrity pairings are about is this human thing that we all have to not be with someone who you feel like is not your peer.

you know, as far as attractiveness and, you know, good catch. And so, like, it doesn't shock me when two celebrities of similar seismic force meet together and be like, yes, it is correct that I, you know, Batman, I'm with you, you know, giant star. And I feel like they, I don't know, maybe I'm misreading this, but there is a sort of a

It's comical. I have to be with someone worthy of me or else I look bad. And I don't know if that's the thing you want to use to drive your love life. No, no. But it seems very important and relative here to have someone that's in the public eye as well that will fit nicely. Me? They don't care about me.

which is good, unless I do something bad. Then they'll write it. You haven't done anything very bad. Well, let's not go there. There's a few things that people got upset about. But, you know, water under the bridge and moving on. Sliding out the door there. Yeah, no, no, no. I mean, I try to do a good, clean show for a good, clean country. But, yeah, once in a while, you know, you can't –

You can't count yourself honest unless sometimes you go over the line. Because if you're saying, I'm really, I mean, every show pretends they're edgy. They're not. Mine is. Yes. And that's why people hate it also. I get that. Yeah, yeah. By the way, the first guy to get canceled was your father when he said, geez, we're more popular. That really was, I was thinking about that. Yeah. That is like almost the first time where that happened where like,

Okay, that was a...

you know attempt to do what they do all the time now we're going to burn their records it was it was organized you know what I mean it's like they're coming to work waiting for something to happen right yeah it's like oh it's just perfect we got him on Jesus and you know you can't do worse than that in the Bible Belt in America so if you're booked to play Kansas City after you just said your band was better than Jesus

It's not going to be a good look. And just the hounding of the, you know, like trying to get the apology and then that's not enough of an apology. We want the Soviet apology. You know what the Soviet apology is, Julian? That's one that you start with. Thank you.

thank you for making me aware of what a despicable piece of shit I am and what I did. Yes, yes, indeed. And your father wouldn't do it. I mean, he said that kind of a, you know, that great... He did say sorry a few times, but they wouldn't accept that. It was not good enough, you know. No, he didn't really say sorry, which is good. He said, I think he said something like...

I never said that Jesus was greater than us or better than us. I just said what I said and it was wrong or it was taken wrong and now it's all this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's not really I'm sorry. No, I agree with you on that point. And it was said with disdain, which is why we loved him. Us people on the 22nd row. Yes, I know. Because it was that kind of cheekiness. I also remember that great moment he had when...

They were making Apple. You were five years old. They came to America after the India trip. Yeah. And so they were doing a press conference. He obviously didn't want to be there. And like, what is your new company doing? You know, we're just going to make stuff.

So that if someone wants to make a film or a record, they don't have to go on their knees begging in somebody's office, probably yours. I thought, nobody talks to the press like that. You don't have the balls to get away with like, fuck you and you'll still like me. Yeah, I know. He certainly had his way. Yeah.

No, I'm telling you, it's the right thing to do to embrace your heritage because who else can do it? Well, I guess you're half-brother. Yeah. Sean's a good kid. I mean, I love him immensely, you know. He's incredibly talented, incredibly gifted. He works his ass off, you know.

As a musician, you're saying? As a musician. He's an intellectual without question. Right. But, you know, he doesn't stop. I mean, he's in like three or five bands, you know. And in between playing live or recording, you know, he's producing other acts. So he's always out there. He's always on it. I'm very proud of him. But, you know, I've kept my eye on him since he was a baby, you know. I always...

you know, took that mantle of, you know, even when dad passed that I, you know, whatever you need, I'm here. You know, I've got your back. And I've... But what did he need? Well, I mean, his life isn't so straightforward. It's not, you know...

There's been many ups and downs for him too. It's not my place to go into detail about those things. But he's had his moments. But he seems like an incredibly well-adjusted man. And I'm proud of him. He always seems like a cool guy. We try to FaceTime or Zoom every couple of weeks. And we're just like this and chatting away about it.

And what about working with them? Do you ever think about working with them? Yeah, we've talked about it. We've talked about it. We have a plan at some point when we both have the time to do it. But yeah, there's something we want to do together. We want to play around with an idea. And I think it's a nice idea. So you'll have to wait and see. I'm not winding you up, but it's just that it'll have its time and place, you know. No, I mean, who else in the whole world...

do you have who, you know, it's like, well, that's the only person who can rule. But it's the whole sibling thing and how our voices should sound together and do sound together. Oh. It's, you know. You know, I don't know, I'm not, I can't conjure up the sound of his voice the way I can yours right now. Is it like yours? Oh,

There's certain tonal qualities for that question. Here's a slightly thinner and lighter voice, and I'm a bit more of a fuller and a real rocker at heart underneath it all when I want to be, you know.

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Hey, Saturday, October 7th, I will be at the fabulous Fox Theater in St. Louis. It's actually called that. They were like, fuck it, we're fabulous. And then Sunday, October 8th, I will be in Omaha, Nebraska at the Orpheum Theater. It's great too, just a little more modestly named. Come on out and see me. I have two old dogs here, so I know that I'm going to have to, at some point, you know, face it,

invite two new young dogs in my life when these dogs pass away. Yes. My assistant tells me they're going to live on a farm. I think it's bullshit, but I'm just going to go along with it because that's what celebrities do. You just go along with the bullshit. No, so like I have been thinking of names for the new dogs.

And I'm also like reading the training book. I was telling somebody like these two dogs that I'm going to get my next two dogs. It's going to happen, you know.

know these dogs are yeah i i the person i'm saying with dear friend of mine for over 30 years five minutes away from here is going through exactly the same thing i've been through it before with dogs they break your heart yeah yeah oh yeah but it's gonna happen so like i'm but i i was telling somebody that these next two i am i'm reading this training book i'm going to do it right i never train my other dogs i let them run all over the place they don't listen to me i said i'm going to do it right with the crate and the whole thing and i read the book

And she said, you're like that guy who's 50 and gets married for the second time and is like, I'm going to do this one right. I'm going to be there for the kid I was and I was on tour the whole time for the first kid. And that's me with my dogs. I'm going to do this one right. I'm going to raise them right. And I'm going to be there for them. Well, I wish you that. I'm going to watch where they poop and make sure. Watch where they poop. Well, I hope you do something with

Sean, that would be... Yeah, we will. There's a certain sound. It's timing. You know, there's a Beatle sound that...

Well, you've got to think where the Beatles got their sounds from as well and their harmonies. Yeah, but of course. There's a lot of that to look into as well. Yeah, there is. But there's also just a Beatle sound. And when people, lots of people, they will do songs. Billy Joel has done songs where you go, oh, that's very Beatle-esque. Yeah, yeah. Remember Oasis? Yeah. Ringo still puts out albums that are, that's their sound, Beatle-esque. Yeah, yeah. So when...

For someone of my generation, who that was not just-- I thought it was and still think it's great music, but it also has an emotional quotient. Yes. You know, at that age and first into music and fighting with my sister over the record player with our little 45s. So to hear that kind of Beatles-esque sound, which you still make-- and I mean that as a compliment. I like that sound. Thank you. Yeah, yeah.

It gets rarer and rarer to find people who do it. And when a modern artist gets that sound, and some of them do. Maroon 5, I think, have done it a little bit. Tears for Fears, of course. Tears for Fears, yes. Crowded House, maybe. Yeah, Crowded House. I mean, we like the Beatles. We like that kind of...

Yeah, there's not a great deal of younger, newer artists that tend to lean that way, at least not that I've heard in recent years, I don't think. What do you think about today's music?

Boy, can you believe this Taylor Swift tour? It's astonishing. That's almost Beatlesque. Well, I mean, Harry Styles wasn't far behind on that. Really? Well, I mean, the size of the tour, the energy, the amount of... Yeah, but there wasn't this kind of, like, it's... The reason why I say Beatlesque is because...

Well, the insanity. Well, also that it transcends just music and it's sort of a cultural moment. That's what the Beatles own. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. I mean, sometimes things go beyond just their genre. For sure. And I guess I should... I guess I have to listen to more Taylor Swift. I don't know well enough to pass judgment. No, right. The stuff I've just heard on the radio...

It makes me go, really? What is this about? It's young pop. Every day I turn on the TV and they've got pictures of all these celebrities at our concerts. Yeah, I saw a lot of that. It's just... So, you know... I was the first on at the European Video Awards, Video Music Awards. And I was...

giving her the first award. And I'd met her before very briefly. Who? Taylor Swift. Oh, yeah. Sorry. Come in, number nine. Sorry, bro. Taylor Swift. That's right, Taylor Swift. And she's lovely. You know, she's on it. Oh, yeah, very much so. I mean, she's really on it, you know. Yes, it reminds me a little of Madonna in the early 80s.

But Taylor Swift, you know, has in common like a kind of fierce ambition. I don't mean that in a bad way. No, I agree. And like, no, I'm going to take care of my business first. I'm not going to be out partying and getting out a little. I'm going to do my business. And she's smart, you know, like Madonna's smart. But Madonna, I felt, has an icy quality to her that Taylor doesn't.

I think, you know, you could see a bond with the fans. She does not have that ice queen thing, which is, I think, good. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Madonna, I got to give her credit because it's like, yeah, you're just such a great record, so many great records. Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah.

And had lots of cultural impact, too. So, you know, I got to give it up to that. Like, in spite of your personality, we like you so much. Yeah, she's an interesting character, that's for sure. She never looks like someone you want to just have a drink with. No, I had an interesting run-in with her. A run-in? Well, not run-in, but that was back in the days with Sean Penn.

And he was... I know Sean Penn. Yeah, I know you did. Yeah, he's a great guy. We bump into each other every once in a while. The best. We have some good conversations. Three of us should go out. The wee hours in the morning. Three of us should go out one night. I think I'd be up for that. Absolutely. I'd like to be there when you...

What did you say you're going to drink till dawn? I'll be having Maalox. Oh, no. I'm sure you'll be fine. No, not drinking. Not drinking, no, no. No, I microdosed some mushrooms last weekend. I thought I'd give that a shot. I was on the course of that for a while because I had some severe anxiety and depression over the years. And someone I know was

talking to me about microdosing. And so I went to see a pro about this and was put on a kind of course, so to speak. And for a couple of months, it really made a bit of a difference. It just got me out of the fog and the slight darkness I was feeling. But it got to a point where it didn't do anything anymore. And I just felt like I'd cleared some of the

the crap out of the way. But every once in a while, if I do get a little foggy again, I'll just take a little bit. And sometimes it helps and sometimes it doesn't. Can I ask you a question about depression? Yeah, sure. You say you have depression. I've been through the mill on depression, yeah. Really? Yeah, yeah. And I certainly have known a lot of people who say the same thing. And I don't doubt that it's a real thing

I'm just trying to understand where it comes from because, like, in my life, I know many times when I was depressed. Yes. But I always knew why. It was because something in reality was so shitty that I was depressed about it. It wasn't just like I'm depressed for no reason. The depressed for no reason people are the ones I'm trying to understand.

No, there's always a reason. It's just that you can't always figure it out what that is. No, I could always figure it out. Sometimes it takes a little time. My poor girls don't like me, and I'm probably going to be a failure in comedy. I'm right behind you on that. That's what depressed me. I'm right behind you on that one. When I first moved to New York and lived, I was staying in a horrible place, a slummy place, and...

hanging out at the clubs, not even getting on, you know, not looking like the future was going to be bright in comedy. Yes. Poor, no girls, New York, rough town, especially if you're poor and stupid. Yeah, yeah.

And that's, I was depressed a lot. But it was like, that's why I'm depressed. If I like suddenly my career picked up and chicks like me, I would have been not depressed. But I feel like that's something different from what people who have depression and it's more like of a chemical thing. It's not really what's happening in reality that will affect it, right? Yeah, I agree that there's almost two parts to it in that regard. You had that other part, right?

Yeah, I feel I've definitely been through the mill on several occasions where I couldn't see a way out of certain darknesses. And have you ever gotten to the bottom of why it is? Could it be not enough tequila? It's certainly something to do with, you know, where we are in life and how we think and, you know. Yeah. I think it's, you know, a lot of it is overthinking as well.

I mean, there's times I'll wake up in the morning and I'll feel fine jumping out of bed and then I'll just feel overwhelmed by...

I also have that thing, is it agoraphobia? Agoraphobia. Agoraphobia. Fear of open spaces? Well, going outside sometimes. That's agoraphobia. Yeah, yeah. From the agora. But I push myself through all that crap. From the agora. From the agora. Marketplace, the Greek word for marketplace. Is that so? Absolutely. Absolutely.

I like the marketplace. Look it up on your magic light box. A-G-O-R-A, the Agora, the marketplace in ancient Greece. You learn something new every day. But why would I be afraid of going to the marketplace? Because it's in the open. It is. Because it's an open-air marketplace. This wasn't the Nanuet Mall. This is ancient Greece. Yeah, but I guess part of it is that because of...

I've always felt that I've been stared at a lot, looked at a lot. You have. That's not paranoia. You have. My every move has been... Yes, that happened. Yeah, I know. And so on occasion, I don't want to deal with that, and I can't deal with that. Oh, I see. Yeah, no. Hey, bro, I mean, you've got... You know, if I'm feeling a little fragile, a little shaky inside, and just don't feel...

you know, things in life may be going as well as they could or should, you know. You were born with a lot on your shoulders. Yeah. Just born with it on. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. But it's funny how, I don't say this in an odd way, but it's funny that

If I say that I've been out and I went to the supermarket, this or that, and the other, social media, I'm quite open with... I'm quite honest and straightforward. And people go...

And it's mostly Americans. It's like, well, how do you walk down the street without being recognized? How do you not... How come you're not bothered? And I'm saying... People are so stupid about that. But the funny thing is, for the most part, especially in Europe, I can pretty much go wherever and...

99.9%. No one mobs people our age, no matter who you are. I mean, Bruce Springsteen maybe would get mobbed, especially if he walked through the parking lot at a Bruce Springsteen concert. But trust me, the TikTokers are not mobbing Bruce Springsteen. But yeah, I mean, you can't imagine. I can't.

what it must be like for those kind of people, and we have them in the world today, again, Taylor Swift, or, you know, people, Jay-Z, people who just, you cannot go anywhere without a phalanx. I couldn't imagine that. I mean, I had that with the first album and tour and things like that. Yeah, wow. And I remember being in New York at one of the main, Parker Meridian, back in the day. Parker Meridian. Yeah. I remember. Yeah.

Yes, indeed. Nothing happened, but... A few things happened. Oh, good for you. It happened for you, of course, because you're a musician. Apparently. You know, anyway, there was quite the occasion where, you know, you'd see all the front was chocker with the fans and you'd try and go out some side door or back door, which they did have.

And of course, there'd be hundreds of fans there too. And I just remember back in the day is just walking out and I was, it freaked me out being surrounded by so many people who just literally were trying to rip your clothes off, pull your hair out. And, you know, I've always been polite. So I said, you know, I would sign autographs, but my legs and hands were shaking so much I had to kneel on the ground and

Just to get through this. And then, you know, after I did everyone's, I'd kind of walk off and they'd kind of let me be. But that happened a few times and I didn't like it. I really, really didn't like it. And so, you know, I fell out of love with that kind of

concept of fame, so to speak. I must be frank with you. I cannot relate to this. We need to use a side door part of show business I have skipped. And that's fine. I'm not complaining about it. But I'm not going to lie. I think it might be fun to have experienced that for a long time. Oh yeah, for a minute it was okay. And I have been robbed of that experience. Wow.

Well, I'm sorry about that. But it's never too late. No, it's never too late. That's what I think. But just that kind of excitement that usually only is with musicians. Yeah, yeah. Eddie Murphy certainly had that, got it. There are exceptions, but it's mostly this kind of like frenzied, almost atavistic, almost scary sometimes. Yeah, totally. Like energy. Totally, totally.

Because, you know, also the other thing was I'm also... I also get jealous of bands because, you know, you have your... It's your team around you. It's your, you know... And as a solo artist...

for me, I've never been comfortable with it. Never been comfortable. With what? With being a solo artist because even when performing live on stage, you know, they would always put you out the front of the stage and the rest of the band would be shadowed behind you. But you still have a band, wouldn't you? Yeah, yeah, but I'd never, I would always want to be

take the microphone and pull it back into the band environment. Oh, really? So I can see my friend on the guitar, my friend on the bass. I never liked that just being right out there in front. So, yeah, it was a lot of

Especially TV shows didn't quite understand that. Yeah, but they're the band. I want to be part of the band. I mean, that definitely is something that a comic misses. Being out front. No, that feeling. We are such lone wolves. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we don't want someone opening for us because comedy is very delicate. I mean, you come to see me. You're going to see me for 90 minutes and somebody else with a different point of view. Yeah.

But that feeling that you can see like in the Let It Be film or any film with a band, you just see this kind of communication that they do through their music, through their instruments, that comics kind of know when we sit around and riff with each other. It's kind of our version of jamming. But it's more primal in music. And again, I would love to know what that feels like. I bet you it's a little like heroin. So don't start.

It's great having that connection with people around you and that support. And feeling the music. Because you just know that they've got your back and vice versa. So I think that's an important, at least that's always been important for me as a performing artist. I mean, I haven't done it for a long time now, and I'm thinking about it again. But it would take a lot of work for me to...

to actually get back in that role of running around like a headless chicken or not. You know what they call it? The front man. Well, exactly. The front man. I mean, I've always enjoyed performing live, but that was back in the day when we were young and we'd go straight from the gig to the hotel bar and then out on the town. Really? I don't know if I could.

Why did you go to the hotel bar first? What? Why did you go to the hotel bar first? Oh, it was a meeting point. Oh, I see. And then you'll bugger off out to all the late night places and strip joints and whatever. Back in the day. How dare you accuse me? Oh, you didn't accuse me. In our youth. Well, you know what?

A friend of mine told me, don't let the old man in. I agree with you. And you know what? I refuse. That is... I'm totally in denial. I still go out after the show. You do? Yeah. So fuck you. Good man. Good man. Okay. Yeah, don't let the old man in. Yeah, okay. You know, you can be circumspect. Do you hear that? I mean, you're not married, right?

Yeah, so why not have fun or just be out? Because it hurts the next day and then you've got to get up and do it again. It hurts if you drink to excess. Why do you have to drink to excess? The funny thing is that's what I've been learning over the past five years is having a good time without anything, not drinking. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. Being happy with me in the open spaces without... Talk about burying the lead for a while.

It's been important. It's been really important. And that's the last five years?

Well, since my mom passed, I wanted to find a way where I could just be content in some capacity, find some balance, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, you're a better man than I, Gunga Din. I cannot imagine a life without marijuana. Right. Yeah, yeah. I've never understood that.

I mean, one of my best friends, she just smokes from morning to noon. But see, I don't do that. Oh, she doesn't do that. I don't even smoke every day. Oh, you don't? No. I'm a situational smoker. Really? Right. And this is a situation. That's why I have people over. Of course.

But it is. Really? So then how do you deal with the in-between days? I'm fine. It's better this way because I live two lives. Yes. You know, mostly sober and then this is a treat. Right. And when I do this, I'm going to be doing something else that I really like. Right. Okay. I wouldn't go into detail about the other thing is, but it rhymes with Rex. Yeah. Right? Understood. And writing. Yeah.

Yes. I'm about to venture into the major writing. What do you mean? Well, yeah, I've decided that I figured I should get my life on paper in some way. Oh, a memoir. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I'd read that. Yeah, but I don't want to do it the normal way. I have quite an interesting concept of writing.

where it would be a book that would interest me. That's kind of what I do with everything artistically. I try and do things that would interest me. Yeah. So I've got a unique perspective on the book, and I'm about to jump in the deep end as of probably next week. It's the right time for that. Well, you know, I also, you know, this is a bit...

But I realized that a lot of – I have the worst memory in the world. I can't even remember how to play my own songs, my own lyrics, not a clue because I'm one of those people that just kind of writes, records, produces, put it out, and then I'm on to the next thing. So I really don't have great recollection of –

probably my 20s to 30s to 40s, really. And, you know, unfortunately, you know, a lot of my good dear friends, you know, moving on in age and some have passed already. And a lot of them remember my life more than I do. And so I wanted to try and

remember those times and those places through other people, through the friends and people, guitarists and other musicians that I've worked with over the years. So that's been part of the process of gathering up, you know, little anecdotal stories from them, which...

Which will help me click into gear. When we make this into a movie. Yes. Okay, here's... It's going to be an animated movie. We always have to start with a grabber, right? And then you put a thing on the screen two years earlier.

Or something like that. I'm not going to follow a timeline, that's for sure. But in the movie version, the grabber, the first thing we see is Paul McCartney driving up to your house writing, hey Jude. Is it? That's the grabber, right? That's your grabber, but yeah. For the audience. No, I get it, I get it. You want this movie to sell? Because that's what people know.

This is true. Start with what they know. Hook them in on that. And it's a great story. It is. It's not a bad story. I mean, it tears your heart out that he was the only Beatle, you know. Why am I talking like Trump? He was the only Beatle. God help us. Everyone else was disgusting. I can't do that. I can't do that voice. Yeah. But, yeah, driving up and writing, hey, Jules, you know,

to cheer you up because of the kid who's going through a divorce. I mean, you cannot come up with a better scenario to hook the lifetime. I see this on Lifetime Network. Thanks. Thanks for that. No, I'm kidding. Jeez. It's over before it's begun. No. And then we can go anywhere because now they love what they're going to see. Yeah, okay. No? Yeah, I agree. It's a great story. It's a sentimental point.

And the song is great. Yeah, well. And every... You know, I have a love-hate with it, I have to say. Really? Well... What's your hate about it? Well, okay, listen, I've probably heard that song and heard renditions of that song before.

more than most people alive. You know, and even my dear friends send me babies in nappies playing guitars singing Hey Jude, which I really don't need. Oh, I see. I see. Okay, I get it. No, I'm thankful. Listen, I'm thankful for the song without question, but it's also... You're right, I see. No, the other real thing is that people don't really understand that

That's a stark and dark reminder of actually what happened, of the fact that Dad walked out, walked away, left Mum and I. You know, that was a point of complete change and complete disruption and complete darkness and sadness. I mean, I was only three, but I recognised something was up, you know. But for Mum, again, you know, she was...

It was heartbreaking, heartbreaking. So it's a reminder of that time and that place. So I get both sides of it, but a lot of people don't necessarily understand there's a dark, the yin and the yang of that song. For you, yes. Now, I totally understand. I try to explain it. I feel stupid not seeing that before you had to explain it to me, but I get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But you know, I wrote this book review for the New York Times book review about a year ago, two years ago, maybe three. I don't know. Time goes too fast. It was called 150 Glimpses of the Beatles.

I forget the name of the author. He apparently has written a series, 150 Glimpses of. Okay. I can't remember his name. Never heard of that. It's supposed to be very big in England. So anyway, they asked me to do the book review, which I did. I enjoyed it. I mean, the review and some of the book. Was it an American author? I don't think so. Because the other one, I think, was about the Queen.

Okay. Something like that. All right. Not that Americans aren't fucking obsessed with your queen. I never understand that. It's not even our queen. Yeah, well. Anyway, so... The whole thing's weird, but yeah. There was a... I mean, I think the gist in my review was saying that, like, when he...

shed light on something that i as a beetle file had known for years but never really had the details fleshed out it was a great book right you know like he said i always knew that the beatles had lost their you know sexual innocence in hamburg right i didn't know the other three actually watched george harrison lose his virginity i didn't know that either that band was tight

You didn't know? I didn't know. Okay, so this was in this book? Okay. Now I'm interested in the book. I would read my review. Okay. It's really funny. I really did a good job on it. I know. I'm overly proud of this, but I was surprised they asked me to write a book review in the New York Times. Wow. So anyway, he also said that Yoko used to jump in the car and –

I never knew this, inundated John with letters when he was in Ricochash? Is that the Indian place where they went in? I don't know the correct pronunciation. I think it's Ricochash, something like that. Anyway, were they in India? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That I didn't know. Yeah, no, that's news to me. So, I mean, he tells the story of the dentist who got them on acid the first time.

What? You know that story. I'm listening. I'm listening. I don't know all these stories. Well, you know they took acid from the dentist. I did not know that. Oh, come on. No, seriously. Listen, I'm not a...

A Beatle-o-phile on crack. You've got to hang out with me more because I know things that... I mean, I'm sure Paul McCartney would be a better person. You should get that on the books immediately. I know, I know, I know. I've got to push that agenda forward. I mean, he wrote that song for you. You've got to go see him. Yeah, I know, I know. Anyway, oh, I forgot. What were we talking about?

acid dentists oh yeah the book the review they famously to all us beetle files were introduced by to acid by their dentist they met him out one night i guess he was like the cool dentist of the stars anyway was this in the uk in london yes they were swinging yeah 60s yes absolutely yeah

Yes, you were probably home like, you know. Sucking on my thumb. Exactly. Crap in my pants. In your crib with crap in your pants. Sounds familiar. And they got on, I remember hearing the story for years, they got on an elevator and it was like a bulb, like one of these, but it was red. Like right above your head. Yeah, yeah. Okay. And they thought the elevator was on fire. Great. Yeah.

And this, in the book, it really fleshed out who that dentist was and why they were doing that. He didn't tell them he was putting it in their coffee. That's the thing. Oh. He fucking doped them. Really? Yeah, but that was always part of the story. I had heard, yeah, yeah. Okay, wow. Isn't that something? That's... Was he their dentist?

It sounds to me like he was like, there's always like a dentist to the stars, like in cities. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's one here. And I think he was that guy. And so there was some social event. I guess they were at his house for dinner. I think it was just John and George. It was just John and George. Okay. And their wives, your mother and Cynthia, your mother and Patty. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, your father took a lot in 1967. I think that was the... Did you know? Yeah, there's a lot I need to catch up on. That's all I can say. But you were too young. You put four. You can't tell if someone's on ass. No, no, no, no. I mean, listen, the house looked like it was insane anyway, really. Really? Relatively speaking, the kind of furniture and decoration of some of the places we were at.

You mean psychedelic, like 60s kind of cool? Yeah, I guess so. Did you see the Rolls Royce, the painted famous... Yeah, of course, there's a picture of me and Dad standing in front of it. Oh, yes, I think I've seen that picture. So you knew that car? Yeah. And you rode in it? Presumably, yeah. I remember Dad also had a white Mercedes, an extended Mercedes with the first...

vertical record player in the car. And so you sat in the back of the car and probably the back of the driver's chair was that far away. But in the middle in the front was an upright record player.

that you put LPs in like a toaster. On a going over bumpy road? Yes, oh yeah. But it could not have worked. It did work. It did? Oh yeah, it worked. Yeah, yeah. I was fascinated by it. So he had a record player in the... Record player, yeah. What a baller. I mean, imagine no possessions. I never saw one ever again, you know. You know Elvis Costello took a shot at him in the song...

The Other Side of Summer? No. Do you know that song? No, I do not. It's great. It's a great Elvis Costello song. Another lovely man. Wasn't it a millionaire who said, imagine no possessions? Yes. A poor little schoolboy who said, we don't need no lessons. Yeah, very nice.

He's Elvis Costello. He's a major motherfucker, right? Oh, yeah. And a lovely man, too. Yes, I'm sure he is. I've only bumped into him once or twice, but never enough. He and Paul did a record together. Yeah, I know. There was that time. Flowers in the Dirt, and it's a great record. I've never actually listened to it. And your father, I mean, Paul said he wanted...

to work with Elvis Costello because he was the closest thing. Liverpool, the same sardonic sense of humor, and he got it. I'm always surprised they didn't want to, I guess once was enough. Once was enough, I was going to say. Well, by that time, you know, I mean, Paul, that was 1989, so you're on your own 20 years if you're Paul McCartney. It's kind of hard to go back to being...

you know with a partner yes you like oh yeah yeah you like being the boss yeah and he deserved it yeah he's written a zillion great songs yeah it's uh gotta call him i yeah i love like you're nagging i know i know i should i should do it before the end of the year i really should i really should

I mean, think of all the creativity that's going to unleash from that. Who knows what will come out of that? Yeah. That's the joy of it. Yeah. Right? I am certainly curious. But you know what? This does not compare, but...

I sometimes say to myself when something comes up about my parents, I wish I had asked them that. Yeah, I know. And I can't do it now. I know, I know, I know. And once it goes, they're gone. Oh, yeah, listen, I've learned that more so with the passing of my mother. And I'm just now going, God, I've got no one to talk to about this. That's the freakiest feeling is just...

kind of realizing you're alone in that world and you know you mean the kind of things you would talk about with your mother but yeah that you know that i just you always think she's going to be there so you don't ask certain questions so you don't think about them at that point in time it's only later when you're rediscovering your life and your family and hers and

You know, even watching, as I said, George's documentary, Living in a Material World, you know, there was things in there and I'm going, God, I wonder what's happened to so-and-so or who. There's nobody I can ask, you know, especially relating to her and Dad, especially, you know. Yeah, I mean...

It's so funny I say this all the time in this show, but people in show business are funny because they only seem to really like to do things with people when it's work. Right. Like, we could have done this all these years, but it's just...

And that's kind of even true of me with my mother because I did a documentary called Religulous. It came out in 2008 about religion. And my mother is in the beginning of it. I mean, she died the next year. We got her just in time. Once again, call Paul McCartney because I'm so... Yes, thank you. So...

For whatever dumb reason, the church we used to go to let us film there. So my sister and my mother and I, we filmed there one day. I think it was January of 2007. And I asked her the questions that I just could have and should have asked her my whole life. Like, why did we stop going to church? And when she said it was because my father didn't like the Pope's birth control...

I was like, you two are fucking? This is the last issue. And I was 51 years old when I found that out. And I shouldn't. It's my mother. Yeah, I know. And I should have asked that question. But I do it on, you know, show people. But again, you think they're going to be around, you know. Well, at that point, I knew that we were...

Yeah, but you don't automatically necessarily think of, you know, certain questions that would relate to a particular... No. You know, it's, again, it's, you know, I've been triggered by the documentary to, you know, look back at my life and my history a lot more than I have before, you know.

Yes. I mean, there's a lot that I'm not aware of. There's a lot that, you know, dad's life and our life was very, very different. But you know what? If you really want a kid, son, you better do it now. Really. Yeah. Because first of all, you know, young sperm is probably better than

I think, you know, you can still... Thanks. Thanks. You set me up for... No, I think you can still produce a nice cup full of decent grade A, you know, English sperm. Yeah. I mean, the fact that you can, you know, drink till seven in the morning tells me a lot about your constitution. Yeah. Okay. But, yeah, you know, do you have a date? Maybe.

Do you have a girlfriend? How far back do we have to get this process to get you? It's complicated. It is? Yeah, you musicians, that's the problem. No, listen, I love love. I'd love to be in a relationship, but I just, you know, I'm waiting to be hit by a truck for some reason. I don't know, you know.

I have great and close relationships. Most of my true friends are females, women. I just get on with them incredibly well. But I just haven't found that, at least in recent years, I haven't found someone I want to be with. And that's a difficult one. I don't...

Maybe I'm too picky, too choosy, but I don't want to be in a situation that isn't real for me. Don't you think a lot of it just is the way the modern world is? It's not really conducive to...

the monotony of a monogamous relationship because everything else changes so quickly. There's so many stimuli. It's just the world moves at this rapid pace. I know a lot of people that have, you know, that are on opposite sides of that argument, you know, that have incredible relationships that are just...

solid and have the longevity. How do you know? Because I do. But I will say this, married people have an amazing ability to, until the very moment it explodes publicly, put on a front. It's the one thing that... Well, that's very Hollywood. I think that's everywhere. I think when people are always surprised, oh my God, they split up. Yeah, because they put on such a great show.

They don't want to look like they're having troubles. Agreed, agreed. I have to agree with you on that. There's a lot of... But for the most part, many are trying to work it out, trying to figure it out. But sometimes it's... That's, I think, what's very saddening is having to walk away from love is a very, very difficult one. But there's actually a lot... I've done that and been there. A lot more people than ever...

just, you know, that you could name celebrities who have never gotten married. And I mean, you, me, Oprah, the Pope. I came close a few times. Thanks. Of course. Yeah, we fit in that category. Come on. There's people, I'm telling you, Diane Keaton, you know, I mean, there's people, Jennifer Aniston. I just think it's like,

Oh no, she got married a couple of times. Okay, not her. Diane Keaton never got married? No. Really? And the Pope.

But I feel like this just says there's a certain personality type. And it's nothing to be judged in any way. It's just different. Like you have red hair and I have blonde hair. It's just a personality. But I've been in a couple of incredible relationships. So have I. Who hasn't? But we didn't for obviously there's a reason why we're not now. And we never took it. We never went all the way to Baghdad. Yeah. Right? Yeah.

Yeah, whether it's, yeah. Did you get close, like almost engaged? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. I was engaged too, but we got out of it. That's the thing. That's how much we don't want to be married. Even when we're engaged, we get out of it. Well, I mean, listen, the last one, a relationship I was in, I wanted to go all the way, but certain circumstances within the relationship and family environment, I

made it impossible to move forward. So I can't get any deeper than that. Maybe it'll come out one day. But it was a very sad and awkward situation that's just impossible. Well, I hope you're happy. You're such a sensitive guy. I'm okay. Yeah, you seem okay. For the most part, I'm pretty level these days. And I think...

A lot has to do with being motivated for work and trying to be excited about projects. And also the, sorry to end. No. But the idea that because I've taken on the mantle of doing so many kind of things that I love to do, again, whether it's music, whether it's the photography, whether it's the White Feather Foundation, whether it's the documentary stuff like Kiss the Ground and a number of things like that.

I'm hoping that at some point I'll meet someone, especially in that creative environment. But that's what keeps me going. That's what kind of keeps me alive in all of this. It's the experiences in life that I find so much joy in. Not saying it's always happy, happy, but certainly that's what keeps me going. If I stop...

then I'll keel over. Yeah, I feel the same way. I never look back. I only look forward. The past is gone. But you just seem to have a good attitude about it. You're not a complainer, certainly not publicly. I never heard any of this

I've bitched a few times, but it gets you nowhere in the end. Yeah. It doesn't do anything. You know, it's no point. That's one thing. Onwards and upwards, I agree. The generation that we, that gave birth to us. Yes. You know, your parents were born in World War II. Yeah, yeah. My parents were in World War II. Right, right. Fighting. My mother was a nurse, an army nurse. They were both overseas. Right.

my mother was in london during the blitz wow okay yeah yeah yeah isn't that amazing yeah yeah and that generation they just carry on yeah i mean especially the british yeah bro oh yeah right i mean no you know mom was i remember mom talking about her mother my grandmother you know uh putting her on a train

with a whole bunch of other kids to escape the Blitz and what was going on, the war in the major cities throughout England. And they were separated from family in this for a long time and some never made it back, etc., etc. So it was an extraordinary time that the British really did

carry on, you know, and survive. It's astonishing that they didn't, you know, really, I mean, even till their dying day, a lot of their old guys that, you know, that are still just about hanging on, they never complained about anything. No. They never complained. It's astonishing. They were not pussies. No, no.

Everybody today, all they do is complain. Yeah. Everything is just finding a reason you can bitch about something. Oh, completely. Such a bunch of fucking little bitches. That's all they do is find a reason. Yeah. And, you know, they haven't, as far as I can see, been through any experience to give them that right to even complain about anything, you know? Now, can you imagine being born... I mean, your father was born...

1940, right? October 1940. Okay, I mean, this is right in the middle of World War II. America hadn't gotten into it yet. But I mean, isn't John Lennon's middle name Winston for Winston Churchill? I mean, unbelievable. I mean, that that

We're only one generation removed from all that. And you think from that to-- And you think we would have learned a few things by then, by now. But we still haven't. No. Not the lizard brain kind of thing. No. We learned technological things. We made the iPhone. We have AI. But I remember last time I was in London, I did a touristy thing.

you know, took the tour of Churchill's, like, wartime fucking cave that he lived in. It was like, it's right in the middle of London, but it's underground. The bunker. Yes, he had a bunker. And, you know, the telephones are like from the time it was. And you see all this stuff. And it's like, this could be like the fucking Middle Ages. Oh, yeah. And it's my...

you know, one generation before me. And now AI. I mean, what do you think of how fast things really move? Shockingly. They seem slow when you're living it day by day. Even in the last six months to a year, it's leaps and bounds and scaring the crap out of me. What is how fast things change? Yeah, well, just again, you know, it's like we're dealing with enough misinformation around the world as it is.

And now to be able to look and sound like someone else completely, you know, is... I'm a little allergic to that word misinformation. Okay. Because it's used...

by certain people like the medical establishment in America to basically say, we own the science, which you don't. That's the opposite of what science is, which is testing things against other things. So when they say, when I hear misinformation, what I hear is, you know, Dr. Fauci, who I don't think he's an evil genius, and I don't think he's a genius. What I hear is him basically saying, or people like that saying, don't even try.

to present an alternative view on this scientific medical matter, even though medicine has been wrong about a million things and still is. Because that's misinformation. Sometimes things really are misinformation. I'm just saying, when I hear that word, it triggers me. It triggers me. That's okay.

It's good to be triggered sometimes. Yes, that's a good attitude. It is. I say that to myself all the time. Do something to force yourself out of your...

security bubble like yeah because it's very easy when you're we're doing become complacent all the way down you you have to what you have to be nudged every yeah yeah poked inside it so what do you do to nudge yourself I fly private no well you know uh live that's enough you know walk out the door

Read a few emails. That will knock me sideways sometimes. What do you mean? Like from who? It depends on the situation. Reading email? Well, I mean, just if something is potentially going to change

the way you live, the way you work. Oh, I mean like bad, scary emails? Scary stuff. Well, again, because I have this anxiety that I can read one thing that will ruin the whole day for me. It's so funny you say that because there are things like that. Some of it is like press stuff or some of it is an email that if I see it, if it comes in like later in the evening, I won't read it because I'll be, no, I have to read this like,

first thing in the day, so that I have all day to sort of let my brain forget it so it doesn't keep me up at night when I sleep. I actually will time when I read shit because, yes, scary shit. I find it very difficult to not read things. I mean, but I have to say that at least I allow myself these days to not...

look at the phone or do emails before I've actually got up and had a good hour, having a little bit of breakfast and coffee and sitting outside looking at the world, taking in some fresh air and just going, ah, you know, and finding some level of strength or a good, you know, foundation to deal with whatever's going to be delivered. But there are always problems. Yeah.

No person has no problems. It just seems more frequent these days. Well, it's the caliber of the problem. Yeah. It's how elegant is your problem. I bet you your problems are fairly elegant compared to problems that people can have. Right? Sure, absolutely. It's just, it's the, you never have no problems. It's just, do you have Cadillac problems? Right. Or do you have Plymouth Duster problems? Yeah.

And I know what it's like to have both. I'm so glad for that, that I had years that sucked when I was depressed like that for good reasons. Because for the rest of your life, you appreciate it all a lot. Yeah, and that's my thing. That's what I try to do so hard these days is just appreciate and be thankful.

It made me for the rest of my life always look at a problem that I was having in that way. I know. I need to slap myself around the head. No, I mean, I don't know what your problems are. They could be horrendous. I mean, the worst problems of all happen at our age because the worst problem of all is health. Well, this is key.

So nothing compares. Agreed. And I think a lot of my frustration, I guess you could say, is the pain I feel with the people that I know and love that are not well. Right. And you can only do so much. No. So that hurts. Well, but I mean, yes, that's noble to worry about other people, but

As the years climb up, the person you're mostly worried about with that issue is you. Oh, yeah, for sure. And in that, I think it's the same George Harrison documentary. Yeah. There's a great moment where Roy Orbison...

Yes. That's not what a great moment. No, no, no. It was a terrible moment. Yeah. In the movie. Okay, so he was in The Traveling Wilburys. Yes, of course, of course. That band. Which was fantastic. Yeah, George Harrison, for you kids out there, put together a super group

about 20 years after the Beatles had broken up, the early 90s. And it was Bob Dylan, Tom Petty, Jeff Lint, Roy Orbison and George Harrison. They put out two albums. They're good. They were fantastic. Yeah. They all took turns and they worked on some stuff together. But yeah. And fuck, why did I tell you that? It's very important.

Oh, in the documentary. This is the documentary. So when Roy Orbison dies, Tom Petty tells the story on camera. Yes. And he says, when Roy Orbison died, I called up George. And before he even said hello, he said, aren't you glad it wasn't you? Yeah, I know. And I thought, I adore that kind of honesty. Yeah. It's what I go for. And it's hard. I mean, of course, he's saying this privately. So there's going to be no repercussions. But it's still super honest. Yeah.

And it's true. Yeah. You know, if you and I are in a plane crash together and there's no food, I might have to eat you. That's okay. You know, I'm just saying. Cheers to that. It's just the way of the world. Well, as long as we both agree we can eat each other. Yeah.

Yeah, why can't we? We could live longer. You eat my foot and I'll eat your foot, but we're not going to kill. Let's make a pact that if that happens, we don't kill each other. No, no. We start feeding each other an equal body part. I've got the visual of that, unfortunately. How big's your dick? Because when we get down to that, I don't want to get gypped. Sorry. Jesus. What? Nothing.

did i say something wrong no not at all i've just got the visuals on this in my head that are playing maybe looped for a long time for after this amazing amazing highlight of your career oh my god uh i'm here for a few weeks oh you are yeah yeah yeah you know los angeles has a lot of amazing beetle history of course the visit with elvis you know about that no

Oh, my God. I'm being well-educated. Okay, so the Beatles were out here in 65, I think it was, their second American tour, and they had a few days off. They rented a place in Bel Air or, no, I think that's Blue Jay Way, the song Blue Jay Way. Yeah, yeah, I do remember. Elvis had a place in Bel Air, and he was in town.

and they went and visited elvis the way george harrison describes it in the documentary so funny not that one the anthology he says we got stoned before we went over there and he said then when we got to the house it was just like a beatles cartoon where we tumble out of the limousine and fall on the ground oh that's fantastic but elvis was not very nice as you might imagine

Yeah, I've heard stories. He was a little cold. Yeah, I've heard stories. He felt threatened and he had been superseded and, you know, so he kind of, you know, but... Yeah, I've heard a few things, but... He was someone who disappointed them when they, you know, because they loved him when they... He was their main inspiration. Of course. How could you not be? I mean, he was so overwhelming in those first couple of years. Absolutely. I remember Paul saying after he went in the army...

And he came out of the army, he said it was never the same. Like, the little twinkle in his eye was gone. You know, they kind of took the... Yeah, well, yeah, I was... I saw the Elvis movie. Did you see that? I did. What were your thoughts? Great performance, not great movie. Yeah. Well, I was...

I didn't know the whole background to Elvis and this whole storyline. You don't even know the Beatles. Yeah, correct. I told you my memory has gone to shit. It's not your memory. It's just so interesting that you... Yeah, I just don't absorb things in a certain way. What about... Okay, here's another L.A. moment that you... Someone's going to tell you this, so...

Your father was at the Troubadour one night. Yeah, I know about that. And wound up with a Kotex on his head. I don't know about that, but I know about that. Google Kotex on John Lennon's head. I can't remember exactly what that even means. I think that's some sort of woman's personal item. Was that with Harry Nilsson? Was that that night? Yes.

And I believe Ringo. It was during the... Lost weekend. Lost weekend, which for you kids again out there, was really 18 months, okay? So I know John and Yoko had the perfect fairy tale. Yeah, because I came out here to visit him. Oh, out here to L.A.? Yeah. What year? No idea, but... Well, how old were you? Young.

Honestly. Ten, five. No, he wasn't out here. He moved to... It was in between sort of seven and ten, maybe eleven. Yeah, because he moved to America in 1970 and never set foot in England again. Yeah, I know, which he wanted to do. He wanted to come back and

Oh, he did? Oh, yeah. It was because of immigration? No, no. He wanted to reacquaint with his family and friends. You know, he had half-sisters back in England. So in the 80s, he would have gone to England? Yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure. Oh, okay. As far as I know, he was planning a trip.

to come back over. But when you saw him, you always had to come out here to America. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So mostly it was in New York? Well, except in the early days when he was living at Ascot, which is Tittenhurst Park, which is where he did Imagine. Sure, I know. I remember the video. Because I used to go out there on weekends, uh,

on quite a few occasions. Okay, so this is not the house you remember growing up in when he was with your mother. No, no, no. This is the Yoko house. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. That way, yeah. Right. Yeah, which is an amazing, amazing space. I mean, it was a wonderland for me as a kid. I think I was about seven at that time.

That's got to be tough with you and Sean. No, it's not. Listen, when I was younger... You must have feelings about her that he doesn't because it's his mother. Well, you know, I used to. She plays such a different role in each of your lives. Yes, very much so. But that was a different time and a different place. But I certainly, when I first came to New York going to visit him,

as a kid at the Dakota and saw that he had a room dedicated to every toy known to mankind. And I'm sure I was jealous. Are you kidding me? That was Elvis Costello's point. Oh, yeah. Well, I was, you know, I was upset. But that's got to be heaven for a kid. I was just annoyed that I didn't have those things. Oh, right. You only visited. But I got over that, you know.

I figured I didn't need that. I wasn't going to get it anyway. Again, I've always felt like a quiet survivor, kind of like mom in that regard. You got dealt a shit hand. It's a weird one. I always acknowledge that I had a huge advantage in life.

parents. Right. Yeah, yeah. And of course, in the time when I was born, 1956, also, yes, race. There was advantages of, I'm sure there was comedy clubs that were like, no, we're going to hire the white comic instead of the black one. In 1980, that absolutely, I'm sure. So I acknowledge that. But I also acknowledge parents. It's like, it's to have two stable, loving parents who, the right amount of discipline, but

And, you know, we weren't like, I love you, I love you kind of family. People didn't do that back then. I was certainly very jealous of that. You should be, because it's great. And it allows you... And it allows... You know, the funny thing was, I sought after that. I mean, it wasn't a thing I initially went looking for, but it was certainly with...

My ex, my last ex, her family were everything to me because I felt like I had the family that I never had. So that, and they were a close-knit family. And I loved that. I would do anything to be part of that, be cared for and loved. Because I'd pretty much been a loner.

Yeah, I think you're more normal than I am. I think I should have that desire too. But it was something that I... I don't feel that bad about it. No, but it's something I certainly missed over the years. And I thought having that family element would certainly...

make me feel happier, I guess, at that time anyway. You know, I'm thinking now of that song, Awesome One. I mean, your father has a million awesome songs. But I mean, certainly he showed...

in his last record that he still had it. Oh, sure. Because starting over. Yeah, yeah. It's a great, just a great fucking record. That was the first. Phil Spector, Crazy Matty Is. That was the first song that Dad played me when we were starting to get closer, just literally just before he was killed. Late 70s. Oh.

And he played, I remember hearing that I was in my attic, which was my bedroom in North Wales when I was about 15 or 16. I can't remember exactly. And he played Starting Over the Phone to me. Wow. And I said I loved it, you know, I did love it. And then he starts sending me a bunch of copies of the actual album. See, this is my thing. It's so tragic because...

That's exactly his story with his mother. I was just starting to get to know her again. Yeah, that's exactly that. And then she's taken away from me. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's spooky. Yeah, yeah. Again, something I didn't want to repeat if I could. What?

Just that, how the sequence of things that happened in his life. Right, right. You know, because I believe, wasn't he 17 when his mother passed? Yeah, I'm saying it's eerily similar. Exactly. Especially the part about just getting to know again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And music. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's all, you know.

I know, I know. It's a real shit. It's very House of Atreus kind of Greek, you know, those Greek cycles where it's always recurring. But I was well aware of that. I was fully, fully, fully aware of that weird cycle. I had to break it. I just couldn't. Whatever it took, I had to change that.

and i hope i believe i have so you know yeah especially with the timeline whatever happened i mean your father has a lot of songs about like wanting to bust out of a prison you know watch watching the wheels yeah yeah you know or or just like there's a bunch about sleeping i'm only sleeping i'm so tired like and a lot of it is share that he just has a lot of songs that are about

Leave me the fuck alone. I just want to hang out and do nothing today. You have written very similar songs. Is that true? You inherited that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think some of the early Beatles stuff, obviously. I'm only sleeping, you know.

When I wake up early in the morning. Great. Yeah, all that stuff. You know, I loved all of that stuff, the melodies, the rhythm, the visuals. And yeah, so, you know. I mean, he obviously was distracted way more in the 70s, first by the fact that he'd already conquered the world in the 60s, so there's less motivation. But then, you know, he's got a little kid and Yoko and the blah, blah, blah.

But there was still like great songs, Jealous Guy. Yeah, oh yeah. Which The Weeknd, did you see, just redid? No, I didn't. He did it for his HBO show, The Idol. No, I did not. And he redid Jealous Guy. Very good. No, I tried not to watch that show. I know, but the song. Okay, well. I mean, it's a great song. Yeah, no, it's a classic song. It's beyond a classic song. I think it's something everybody feels, you know, certainly.

But the melody. Yeah. Do you know that it started out as a completely different song? Oh, yeah. Called Nature. Yeah. Child of Nature. Yes. Yeah, yeah. It just shows artists. Morphine. Well, I think we're all this way. If you have a little nugget of something that's good, you square it away. You save it. Oh, yeah, yeah. No. The lyrics of this song are not working perfectly.

But there is this, I love this melody. I'm going to just completely write something new. Yeah, well, I can relate to that because I think you're aware that with this last album, Jude, that half of the songs on it are from over 30 years ago. Nuggets, so to speak, that...

that had no place anywhere else. And I just thought, I don't want to lose that, but there's got to be somewhere. And this last album, which I thought I was never going to do, became The Nuggets. I'm the same way. I mean, it would be nice to think that it's all inspiration, but a lot of it is just saving. There's something to that. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, comics do it with jokes. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure. You know, I have, like, a... I have books of, you know, lyrics and one-liners and comments and... I have a manila envelope that is stuffed to the gill with, like, cocktail napkins.

In the 80s when there was no phone to record. Yeah, yeah, of course. When I was high and out, which was a lot, and a young comic, and everything is a bit. And so you just write down, and I saved them. I probably couldn't even tell what half of them mean now, but it's just funny that you think, I'm a squirrel.

And the more nuts I save. And it's kind of true. It's true. It's very true. I have notebooks and notebooks. I just wonder if I'm ever going to get used to go through them all. I wonder if I'm ever going to make it through that stuff. I think you remember. I think you know where the good stuff is. I think you know where to find it. It's also not dissimilar to photography because something that you thought was

I know a lot of photographers throw away a lot of their images and a lot of their things because they just go, oh, it's not a good one. Throw it. We're just going to know. But I'm one of those that keeps everything, a bit of a hoarder in that regard. But 10 years later, I'll look back at a bunch of photos and it'll be exactly what I'm thinking or want to do today.

I know that syndrome where I say to myself, thank you, young me, for salting away this little nugget that I'm going to...

Old me is very grateful that you put this aside. Oh, yeah. Because I am that way. I'm a pack rat. I've got many more nuggets to go. I'm still working through about another 10 tracks. I'm glad you're still making nuggets. Oh, thank you. And I'm extraordinarily flattered you made time to come here. I know you don't do a lot of things like this. No. It's been an incredible pleasure. And who was that third person we said we were going to hang out with? Sean Perry.

Love. All right, man. Thank you. My absolute pleasure. Yeah.