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LinkedIn, the place to be, to be. I don't know. They always said it's better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all. When you're going through a breakup, that isn't true. I'm pretty good at it. Hey, if you don't like me, you don't like what I think, you don't like it, the door's over there. I also know where you live. How are you, pal? Good. How are you? Got a drink? Yeah. Got to get this right here.

What is that? It's the energy drink. It's crack in a can. What is that, all caffeine? Yeah, it's like caffeine. You don't drink liquor? I do. I have my daughter here, so we go out for my kids. You can't be... You know, I'm going to be started.

- No, I'm going to get you started. Hopefully not so much that you kill me, but... - Oh, no, no. It's just my ex, and we're going through a divorce, and she's trying to make out, like, oh, he's an alcoholic. - Oh, I see. - We have a custody violation. - I'll tell you what. - You want to guess who the kids have never seen drink?

this guy really they've seen her drink right but it's it's like i just don't really want my kids well you're an athlete athletes you can't really be a drunkard but you're an athlete i mean yeah okay don't be wrong i i i've drank my my fair share at times but i'm right it's like no we don't need you drunk yeah we know i do not want to see you uh but how old is the how is your daughter

11. Oh, 11. Yeah. Well, that's an interesting age. Not that I would know. I've never had children or wanted them, but I understand they're very popular. I mean, so many people, even celebrities like yourself, have children. What is it about the kids that I'm not getting? I mean, I don't know. I don't know what it is, but I love my kids. Of course. It's a much purer love than a relationship love, right? Yeah, definitely. Yeah.

But yeah, I mean, I don't know. She's great. But 11, that's right on the cusp of real trouble time. You know, I have a 22, 21-year-old. A 21-year-old? Really? Graduated from UCSD next week. How old are you? 53. Wow. Yeah, good. Amazing you can keep that kind of...

muscle on it at that age. I wonder what it's going to be like when I'm that age. Oh, now you're laughing. But no, I know like Stallone did a Rocky picture, I think when he was 60.

I mean, I'm not talking about Rocky's manager. I'm talking about Rocky. Do you know what I'm talking about? First of all, I love Sylvester Stallone. I just do. I love his movies. I love him. I guess I got to catch up with that reality show, but I don't want to risk watching it and not loving him like I've loved him. I always thought he was great. But like 60 and you're in the ring and he was...

I don't think you could have gotten that body without steroids. Am I wrong? I'm guessing. I'm not that age. I probably, I mean... But you don't do that. No, I never did. I never did training. They're coming out, but I mean...

I guess some guys just, I mean, some guys look like you couldn't get that body normally. Yeah, I mean, yeah, we see that a lot. You see that a lot. You fought guys like that. Yeah, I mean, I fought guys I knew. But I always thought, you know, I always thought if they were choosing to get up to me, up to my weight, I was cutting to get to my weight. I walked around at 215, 220, above 215, 220 since I was 19. Yeah.

So at 35, when I'm still fighting at 205, coming down to 205, I'm about as strong. I've never been muscled at that weight. No one's ever gone out and muscled me at that weight. So I've never been seen that. But a lot of the fighters, they're not like the... Like, Conor McGregor's not like a big guy. He's a smaller weight class. Oh, is that what it is? Yeah, he fights a lot smaller. 45s and 55s. So why did he become so famous in the first place?

I mean, you know, I don't know that much. Marketing, he was exciting, and he won when he needed to. He won exciting. He beat some guys, knocked guys out when he needed to. I mean, sometimes it's just... And he had a personality, right? He had a personality, and he was pushing it. I mean, it got huge. You know, he beat some bad guys. Yeah. Yeah, I guess there's just nothing more...

primal than the you know i i really think he want he beat him what's his name uh i can't even name right now brazilian kid um anyway he knocked him out in the first round i watched all i just watched all all his fights i mean and the kid the kid always felt guys out you know move around for a little for a round and then then he started beating on their legs beat their legs up and then then go after him

And he ran right across the ring because he was mad. I mean, Conor got him mad talking trash before the fight. He ran right across the ring, got knocked out, got caught coming across the ring, and it was over. Wait, who got knocked out? Jose Aldo.

Bad, he was bad. - So he baited him into running across the ring? - Basically, he got him so mad he just ran right across the ring. I mean, 'cause he's an old school Muay Thai guy and they tend to, you know, they'll feel you out for a round and they move around. But that getting in there, I mean, if you're, it's one thing about, if you're talking trash, you're trying to, a lot of times when I, if I talk trash at all before fights, I was trying to get in the guy's head.

I was trying to get him to do something I wanted him to do. Of course. All right, say things that I wanted him to hear. Right. There's no, there's no, I mean, there's no, and so I, for me, I was a human. Past dispersions on his mother, perhaps. I never went there. Never went there? No. Mothers were off limits? For me, there's a, there's a. You have a code, like the mafia. Oh, no, I, Tito one time, Tito Ortiz, he said on a radio show in San Diego, he said, I don't need white trash bitches like Chuck.

And I was pissed. Why? Because, well, you don't talk trash about my girlfriend. Oh, your girlfriend? Yeah, I don't do white trash, but she's like, shut up. Oh, date? I thought he was calling you white trash. No, I don't care. Call me anything you want, talk shit all you want about me. Sure, I could see why that would get a guy like you upset. And it was just one of those things, like, hey, man. And I went, and after he won, he wasn't even fighting me. He was fighting Vitor Belfort.

He beat Vitor and I was at, we were at the same place after party. And the promoter knew me and he said, look, your group's gonna want to fight. They're gonna fight. I can't have it. Can you just, can you squash this with him, please? I said, no problem. Bring him over. He came over and I go, okay. First off, it's my girlfriend. Apologize. Oh, I'm sorry. I was talking about Juliette Lewis. I'm like,

Bro, like, what? Like, I guess somewhere in some magazine that said I was dating her. You mean at Lewis? Oh, do you mean at Lewis? She plays them on TV. She's not white trash. I think she's in Scientology. Yeah. And they say, you're the one who's doing crazy things. Yeah, yeah. But then I said, look, and secondly, I know where you live. If you ever do that again...

Talk about my family or friends on an interview, anywhere. I'll come to your house and beat you in a living room. You got that? He said, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, man. Okay. We're cool, man.

But I mean, I... Chuck, are you sure I can't get you a drink? Something to take the edge off. All this talk about beating people up in their own homes. It's a little unnerving here in my home. I'm just fucking... Yeah, no, I... But it's like different, though. Like, it's like... But it must be interesting to go through the world as you do

as a guy who can pull that arrow out of your quiver. Most of us can't be like, if something bad happens, well, we have to go through channels or call HR or get a lawyer or complain or something. But you are one of those people who can go right to, I'm going to come to your house and rain punches upon your face. But for me, I'm one of those guys, that's my last option. I'll be honest, I get...

Sounds like I was the first. Well, it's different when we're both professional fighters. So it's a different thing to me. It is. Yeah, it's a different thing because we're both professional fighters. Well, because, of course, this fight should happen where people can pay and make you rich for having it. People used to ask me when we come in a club, they'd be like, hey, Tito's in there. I said, you'll be okay? I said, you got a couple million dollars? No? Okay, then we're going to be fine. Ah!

That's perfect. Exactly. That's, that's, yes, perfect. Yeah. Right. Yeah. You're not that stupid. Yeah. There's no way I would invite for free. Well, maybe he is. Not that I'm trying to start something. No, he isn't either. Hey, that's going to be a good job for me when I'm like 89. I can be like, I'm free.

I can trade on my reputation for having a good debate show by, like, being the guy in the middle, and I have to, like, get you to cockfighting. I think I can do it very easily. But you already have beef with a lot of these guys, right? No. You have to. Don't you have to hate somebody to punch them in the face? Absolutely not.

That is the funniest thing anyone's ever said on this show. Absolutely not. You just enjoy punching in the face. You know, I think, like, Anger Clouds Judgment. What? Anger Clouds Judgment. That's what Michael Corleone said in Godfather III, a highly underrated movie. I really want Francis Ford Coppola to do this show because I feel like I could...

Say to him what he's been people have denied that that Godfather 3 was a great movie too Maybe not quite as great as the other two, but you love the guy. Yeah, it's still great. It's still a great movie, right? And that's what Michael Cole that's one of his great lines in that was don't get angry it clouds your judgment So you're never angry when you're in a fight no, I actually calm down my fight. Oh really? Oh

So you don't really hate them? No. I'm just trying to end it. Don't get me wrong. I'm trying to end them when we're fighting. I'm trying to end them as fast as possible. But as soon as I'm done, I'm hoping they're okay. Right. I've had probably two fights where I had the guys, they didn't move for a while after I knocked them out.

And I was actually sitting there going, oh, man, come on, man, please move. So what's it feel like? I got beat up once in high school. And I really didn't enjoy it, I got to say. Like one guy held me down and another guy just punched my face. And I, you know, ever since then, my appetite for seeing face punching, I feel like, was diminished.

But I get, you know, I have seen you fight. I've seen, I certainly watched with great interest the great Ali fights when I was 20 or whatever it was. And he was fighting in the jungle and I was in college. And I mean, it was Zaire and come on, it was so much drama. And when he won, you know, that kind of stuff. But I just...

What does it feel like when somebody punches you in the face? Because I remember it being very bad. Well, I mean, for someone like me, like, I've been doing it so long. I did karate since I was 12. And, you know, it's like always, it's just kind of, that's like more of like, okay, he's scoring and I've got to figure out how to not make him score. Were you worried about your face?

Not really, no. Yeah, yeah. And I've been looking at you now. I would never guess if I didn't know that you were a guy who fought his whole life. You don't have any, like... Well, the funny thing is, I think I've been split under here like three times. I've been split over here a couple times. I know guys your age who have much worse under eye problems. Yeah. But I feel pretty well. My skin, I have good skin. Well...

Listen, Kylie Jenner sells a lot of concealer. I think, let me hook you up. No, it's, the body does heal. I mean, but you must be like, like after a fight, there must be like pain in a lot of different places, right? Yeah, it depends. I mean, I had a fight, I fought down in Brazil for, it was 30 minutes, one round.

Bare knuckle. We went the full 30 minutes. Headbutts were allowed. Strikes to the groin were allowed. They allowed everything. But I mean, the whole fight, I had a couple of bruises right here and I had a cut under each eye, a small cut under each eye. But other than that, I could have fought the next day. Why? Because you're so good at evading your opponent's punches? Well, you ate some of them, but it really didn't beat me up that bad.

But I've also been in a fight, I kicked a guy in the head once and knocked him out in the first round in a kickboxing match. And this part of my foot swole up. By the time I got home, I couldn't walk for three weeks because it was so swollen right here. I've had that happen here playing basketball with my friends when I turned an ankle and I couldn't walk for three weeks. Are you kidding?

That's nothing considering what you're putting yourself in the ring with. I've got to say, my body's held together pretty well from when I put it through. I mean, I've got two levels of shoes in my neck. But you're not doing it anymore. No, no, I'm retired. You would never consider it for any amount of money? Oh, look at you. It took one second to break you down. I haven't got to the ye in money and you gave up.

I think that's not a good decision because you know what? You could. It's easy to think, I remember my 50s. It wasn't that long ago. It was the one before this one. And yeah, you kind of do still think you're 20. Now I know I'm not. I mean, it would have to be a lot. I don't think it's, I don't think it's, it would have to be a lot. But you can't put a price on your brain.

I mean, you don't think you risk... I mean, it's taking its place, but when you think about it, I mean, they're doing a lot better stuff with brain training and fixing stuff with the brain, so it's been... Fixing the brain? I don't think so. I don't think brain fixing is like their best suit right now. I don't think they got up to that. I think...

You know, the football players who have CTE. And, I mean, there have been a lot of suicides. There's a lot of people who just are not happy. They're alcoholism, suicide, you know, just angry at the wife all the time. And, you know... Well, they're doing a lot of crazy stuff with that. We had a brain training where you do an EEG for you. And I was in...

One of my things, whatever it was, like, fight or flight, like, all day long. Right. And after about 20 sessions watching this thing with the electrode thing, I was back to normal.

AEG is back to normal. So it's, I mean, they can fix some of it. I mean, I'm not, I mean, because a lot of it. I can tell talking to you, you're 100%, you have zero mental problems. You're totally focused, tracked, articulate. One thing is we've had for a long time was fighters, you get knocked out, you get suspended.

for a period of time. You can't fight for us. And if you're hurt, you can wait. You just don't set up another fight until you're ready to get ready. Where in football, the problem is you've got to be in the next play for a long time. You've got to be in the next week and they can't lose you for three weeks. They need you for week after week after week.

and so they're taking that beating over and over again but do you miss punching people in the face it seems like if if you like it it feels good you want to keep i don't i don't know that i miss i miss the whole process of being a fighter going to go into training camp the guys well going into training camp because it was like you got to shut off the rest of your world i mean i got i get to be like that i like to be well not

not really shut up but you're able to not worry like i i didn't worry about it i just everyone knew i had one job i get ready for this fight get ready for fight i and if they if i they got other other stresses or other problems they'll save if they can save it if they can wait they'll wait till after the fight to talk to me about it right you know so you have that kind of grace and then you got to go hang out with the guys

you know, a couple times a day and I got into the routines you got into. It was just, I enjoyed it. I enjoyed training. I like fighting. I like learning. I like learning. I loved martial arts when I was a kid. I got into it. When I first got into it, it really helped me. I was kind of like an 80s, like, all over the place kid and it taught me how to focus because I wanted to learn this stuff and they would make me sit there and do like 500 on each side before I could learn something new and I wanted to learn.

So it was just, you know, I always like trying to figure things out, learn new things, add new things to my game. What if one of the guys at the training camp was gay? What would happen? I'm just curious. Like, would they be accepted because it's 2023? Or would it make it weird because the guys are...

You know, honestly, no one cares. Really? I don't. Now, that's what I call progress. I'm always saying, I'm always beating this drum on my show that, you know, to acknowledge progress does not make you some sort of conservative or flag waver or anything. It's just to acknowledge reality. Like, it wasn't that long ago when, especially the macho sports era,

football, you know, was like, you couldn't, you would, there were some gay players, but they could never come out. - Yeah, and I'm sure there's still places that people would find them, but I like, guys, I don't care. - That's what I keep trying to tell people, that the, especially, I mean, you're not even that young, but the younger generations especially, they don't care.

They don't care about these things that the other generations, the older generations did. And that's the problem. If you can fight, I don't care. If you can help me get ready for my fight, I don't care. Look, you're not going to make me do anything I don't want to do. But it would be awkward if you were fighting a guy and he got an erection. I mean, that would be uncomfortable, would it not? If you got him in a clinch and he went...

And he, you know, it's like, you'd tap out. I can't stand this guy's flash slide. It gets my ass cracked. Yeah, you know, if we were training, I might have to tap. Hey, bro, you're going to have to take a break. I'll be over here. Take care of yourself.

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But I feel like

Getting all, whatever the glory there is in it. And it must be great satisfaction, you know, to be like the baddest dude on the planet status. But like to get punched in the face, I just remember that day. And it was just, and you know, I was so ashamed that I got beat up like this. That I didn't want my father to know.

I always think, you know, like, okay, you got two guys jumping. Most guys can't do anything about that.

But I was 14. Yes, you just, and of course, just the emotional trauma. And luckily, my father worked nights. So he wasn't, I didn't see him during the week. So my mother covered for me. And then he must have known because he did see me. But my face, you know, you're young, your face heals quickly. But it was a mess. She kept me out of school for two weeks, told them I had bronchitis.

But it was just the, I guess it was the trauma of it, you know, just as well as the physical pain.

But you don't have any of that emotional baggage with it. No. No. And I thought like, I thought like, it was always trying to, I hated bullies, I hate people, picked on people, and I love fighting. I can think of a million things I would rather not do than punch people in the face for a living. For example, proctologist. Proctologist.

Like, would I rather punch people in the face or, like, stick my finger in their ass? Well, yeah, no, I, there wasn't, I mean, I got, I mean, I remember, I was in high school, I used to say, man, it really sucks, it really sucks, I can't do, I can't get paid to do what I'm really the best at. I was talking about street fighting.

I graduated in '88, so the first UFC was in '93. Yeah, you really changed the game. Invented the game, kind of. When I was interested in the pugilistic arts, it didn't exist. There was no MMA. It was just boxing. Yeah, '93 was the first UFC.

And there was a succession of boxers that, you know, I thought were pretty interesting. I mean, nobody was Ali, but Holyfield was kind of cool. Yeah. You know, the ear. And certainly Mike Tyson was, you know, super. I love Mike. He sat here. Yeah. We chopped it up one night. And, you know, but George Foreman was a character. Oh, yeah? You know, there was...

I turned to one of his sons in George Foreman 3 the other day. I think he named all his sons George. Yeah. Which I am not passing comment on that at all. But yeah, but there were characters and I enjoyed it. But I never can kind of watch it without thinking of that bad day.

Yeah. So, but, you know, I wasn't born the, you were like born the tough guy. You could, yeah, you know, you should be like the, you should do, you know, like Schwarzenegger did, like Hussis did, like The Rock did.

Oh, yeah. You don't want to do that? Oh, no, I'd love to. Sure. I'm in. I'm in. We can go. Yeah, you got the look. The popcorn crowd loves to see a guy who can kick ass. It's like one of the most American things there is. It's like we like a guy who can kick ass. I mean, you got to do it. You can't do it.

you know, in the service of a bad cause. Right. You can't do it to protect the Confederacy or, you know, pedophilia or something, you know. You've got to do it in the right cause. Right. Gotcha. I understand. But, yeah, no, we can definitely make you into the next action star. And we don't need a special power. You're big and strong. You've got the old school. Perfect. Yeah.

And now there's nothing in your past that we have to worry about, is there? Or what about your political opinions down the middle? For the most part, yes. Like who? I believe...

You know, people have their rights and opinion. I got friends that have different opinions on a lot of things. Good. Because we can have... Yes, this is what I'm always preaching. We don't have to agree to not hate each other. Yeah, exactly. On almost anything. There's a few things, you know. Obviously, pedophilia. I can't have any room for that.

Or cannibalism. I feel like that should be out of bounds completely. But you've got to give people a wide leeway in how they see the world differently than you. And, you know what? Which results in their... I tell people all the time, I'll listen to anybody's opinion. Right. And as long as you have... I'm okay with your opinion as long as you're consistent with your beliefs. But when you're talking about stuff. But I'll listen to it. And you can... If...

I'm pretty set in my ways with a lot of things, but if you can convince me I'm wrong, I'm happy to change. If you can convince me, if you can, or you might even, a lot of times I get a way to understand what you believe. You know, like people, I've had people convince me, oh, okay, now I understand why you think that or why you feel that. I don't believe, I don't agree with you, but now I can understand you better. And that's cool too. But I like talking to people about stuff. I don't, I get people like, oh, okay.

I don't want you to talk to me because I don't want you to... I'm going to ask questions. That's all I ask questions. I want to understand your belief. If that's not okay, I'm sorry. Then I'll back off. For me, as long as you don't come into my... As long as you don't affect...

directly affect my circle of people and my friends and family. We're good. So I'm down with all that. Which party do you think is more judgy? I don't. Honestly, I couldn't tell you, actually. I mean, both sides. It's like I listen to both sides. I'll listen to different things, and I'll listen to them, and you're going, I'm more conservative than them. If I had to pick one, I'm more conservative.

Yeah, you don't have to apologize for it. No, I'm not apologizing. Yeah, I know. I won't. But my thing is, I also don't... I mean, I will look at these guys and they'll try to make a mountain out of a molehill on this side about some little thing happening. I'm like, okay, he misspoke something or whatever. Not a big deal. Yeah. But it's like, I don't know. It just bothers me the way people just so...

you know, you said, so biased, the way people use statistics. Statistics make me laugh. I always tell people, I did a, I did a, I did a, in college, my first, no, like, no, yeah. Which ones bother you? No, any. Like, the way people use them. Yeah. I did, I would, Give me an example of a statistic that is misleading. I'm not arguing that you can lie with statistics, for sure. The way I was playing was, like, I did one on gun control, a paper on gun control back in,

88, 89. Gun control. Gun control. They had me do a paper for our guests. But then they had, right after the teacher took, as you turned your head, she said, now go do it. Now go do it on the other side. When I went back to the library to argue the other side, I found they were quoting the same studies. Both of them. Both sides. Just they're using the statistics different from the same study.

And it was like, I was like, okay. I mean, so I started, I was like, or like, or like my buddy sent me a thing. Ah, man, I wish I would do the numbers, but he, he did a first, second and third year of a presidency versus a second, third and fourth. And I'm like, wait, so why did, why do you use those numbers? Let me go look back. So I looked it all up because there was no other way that his guy came ahead and

that whatever thing it was the only way it came ahead of it was one two three and two three four any other version of that It's like the the people who were arguing against the idea that climate change is real and man-made and happening and accelerating They found a year. I think it was 1998 which was an anomaly year, you know, I

Climate, things like climate don't go in a steady line. They go in a line that's squiggly, but it's going in a certain direction. And for, of course, for planet Earth, that line is going toward the bad side, constantly going up, but not straight.

So they picked this one year, 1998, which is an aberration year, to make all sorts of lies, to your point about statistics lying, about how we really shouldn't worry about climate change. Because if you go from 1998 to, yeah, because 1998 was not the typical year.

But the statistics are not something that's a salable. But it's essentially a lie. It's a lie with statistics. Right. Exactly. So you follow things. You follow politics closely. Not closely. Not real closely. But I got buddies that send me stuff on both sides.

From both sides. That's good. I can argue with them on both sides. I like to play devil's advocate. Tell me, is this your real belief? Do you know about it? Have you studied it? Do you understand it? Or did you just see some memes somewhere and now you're sending it to me? Exactly. If you understand it, I'll listen. It's so funny. I also get stuff from a zillion people from both sides. And

More times than not, what I have to do if something intrigues me is take it into my office, into my writers meeting, and say to the producers and the writers who work there, "Okay, this blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Find out if it's true." Because I don't trust anybody. I don't trust them on the left. I don't trust them on the right. And most of the times, what I get back from my staff, who does know how to vet things, brilliant they are,

is, well, it wasn't wrong what you were sent. It just wasn't the whole story. Right. Because no one wants to tell you the whole story. They just want to tell you the part that makes you join their team. Right.

That's what I fucking hate about America these days. Just tell me the whole story. Tell me the whole story and let me make a decision. Your team doesn't have to win everyone. Because everyone's team has to win, no one's winning. That's really where we are. That's the thing too. I've had people ask me about coming on their concert or their show or whatever. I said, okay, just so you know, be careful.

What you asked me, because I'm going to tell you what I believe, not what you want me to say. Good. I don't have a... Good, we need more people like that. I don't have a... Agenda? Agenda, and I don't have like a party line. You certainly don't fear someone's going to beat you up over it. Yeah. See, that's a nice armor to have. But...

We need more people to do that. And I mean, if you're really sincere about that, because you have to be, it's not, what you have to fear from that is people who will turn on you in different ways because you didn't conform to the one true opinion, you know? Yeah. And that for me, I honestly, I'm pretty good at it. And if you don't like me, you don't like what I think, you don't like it, the door's over there. Right. I don't care. Yeah.

And I also know where you live. Yeah. Let's not forget the living room thing, okay, asshole? No, but like I used to tell, like my oldest son, my oldest son, when he was having a problem with social media back then, someone bullying him on there or something, saying bad things. Oh, no. Saying bad things on there. I'm like, wait, son, let me take this for you. You know that kid? Nope. Does he know you? No. Has he talked to you? No. No.

Do you look up to him for some reason? Has he done something that you find impressive? No? Okay. Then why the fuck do you care?

And if you do, get off social media. Right. But that's all I got to say. Like, if you can't handle that, because people, all of a sudden, you want to look on mine? You want to see guys tell me they kicked my ass? You think they kicked my ass? No. Do I think I care? If they could, come on by. Whatever. I mean, we can see. I'm sure you must attract a lot of that. No, I've never had that problem. Well, but like...

I think Sylvester Stallone once said something about how like when you're me and you're Rocky and you go out in public, everyone wants to fight you. The way like with me, maybe they want to debate me, you know, if they see me. Or they want to tell me a joke.

You know, people kind of want to mimic what they see you as publicly. But I think a lot of times from the fighters, like sometimes guys will think, I'm a street fighter. He's a boxer, not a street fighter. I can beat him. Or he's a big football player. I can beat him. I'm a street fighter. I'm known as a heavy-handed brawler, street fighter. You know, and 9 out of 10 people see me, you're a lot bigger than I thought you were. And to be honest, the guys that would do that kind of thing, most of them are fans of mine anyways.

And so if I'm just, and I worked in bars for, I worked in bars for like eight years, nine years. And I knew, I know how to turn a conversation into, I go and say something, okay, okay. Hey, you know, we're making a lot of money now. You should be in the UFC if you're that tough. And they're like, well, I go tell your friends I told them I could be in the UFC and I'm going to sit back down and drink my beer. It's a lot like the animal world, isn't it?

You know, the way humans, which we're still animals, the way we posture and fight. You know, I have this pool over here, which I don't use. And the ducks, like... I saw them, actually. You saw the ducks? I was out there. We were talking about them. Oh, okay. So, like...

Yeah, when we first found him, it was like, oh, we got to get rid of the ducks. I said, no, no, no. You know what? I'm going to bequeath this pool to the ducks. It'll be a lot more interesting. I don't use this pool. I have another pool. OK? Hate me. So it became the duck pond. And it was very idyllic for quite a while. There was just two there, Onyx and Ducky.

And then, like, the pool became a battleground because other ducks came by. And so, like, some days there'd just be a lot of feathers in the pool. And I've seen some of the duck fights, you know. That'd be interesting, actually. It's not what I envisioned. I thought, oh, a duck pond. This will be so...

pastoral and idyllic and peaceful and it's actually fucking MMA with wings. I'm telling you, every day there's a fight for this pool and I mean, I don't know what to do to solve this problem. It's why I've called you here. Perfect. You're an expert in fighting. What should I do? They're a referee. They can fucking share the pool.

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Hidden Hills. Oh, you live out here. Yeah.

Everybody fucking lives out here, don't they? I mean, everybody, like, why do you need to be out here? You don't. Like, lots of people, like, I need to be out here because there's like a, you know, I work at a TV studio. That's where the studios are. They're in Hollywood, Los Angeles, California. Okay, but like so many people who don't have to be here, like for all the shit LA takes, everybody's here. Well, honestly, I was in San Luis Obispo and I would have stayed there. When I got married, my wife,

Well, my wife was, her daughter was doing movies. And to move up to slow would have meant the movies were done. She just, you know, she was doing auditions. She was doing auditions in some movies. I see. I got some, she was on like, I think it was All My Children. Oh, okay.

And she had a couple of cool, like, Hallmark movies she was in, so it made me care. But, you know, for her moving up, up there with me, I just retired, and her moving up there would have meant it was over. We're not going to drive all the way down to L.A. for auditions. Right. And so I'm like, okay, yeah, we'll try it out. I ran a house in Hidden Hills. I really loved it in there and wound up moving down.

- Boy. - She got out of the movie thing a little bit later, but I actually was, I was okay with that. - So you're single now? - Yeah.

Well, join the club. There's a support group here. I'm the president because I never got married. I never quite understood that whole thing. I know it has advantages sometimes. I certainly have been in long-term relationships and know the beauty and love that goes there. But I don't know. When it gets to be where you ask people, how's it going? And it's like,

Well, you know, it's work. And it's like, okay. I don't want to go to work. I don't want to go to work. Yeah. And everybody always says that. I'm with you. What? Relationships are work. And they say it. They don't even say it like it's a bad thing. They're just saying it like you're a good person if you are willing to do the work. Were you willing to do the work, Chuck? Did you do the work? I tried. You did? I tried. You tried? I tried.

You did the work for the kids, you know, that was, you know, but in the relationship, did you do the work? I tried. Yeah. I bet you did. You seem like the kind of guy who, when you go for something, you don't go for it totally. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, here's what it is. I don't know. They always said it's better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all.

But when you're going through a breakup, that isn't true. That's just some bull from 1808 or something. No, that's not true. I mean, if an ex becomes a great friend, then the pain of the breakup hopefully is worth it for both of you. Yeah. You know.

Do you see that in the future with your ex? No. You are... You have the best natural comic timing, I've got to tell you. You don't even have to think. Don't think about it. I don't want to make you self-conscious, but, man, you... And just stick to that. I actually did a thing where it was actually pretty fun. I didn't think I... I really always said I didn't want to, like...

entertaining, but I think I really do. Because I went up and I was doing a thing with David Spade, and he put an earpiece in, and I went to that open mic. I was just saying whatever he told me to say. David Spade was in your ear. Yeah. And I was saying for a show, and I was saying, and I was doing it to a crowd, a comedy, so doing a comedy thing, and it was fun. I mean, people were laughing, and I was having a good time, and I was...

I had no idea what he was going to say. So they get David Spade's brain and they get to look at you. It's a win-win.

But I actually really kind of enjoyed being up there, even though it wasn't me doing it. I just kind of thought it was fun. Well, that's a little catch about comedy. You can't do it. I mean, you've got to. Although, I guess with modern technology, fucking AI could probably do it. Not at the top level, but AI could definitely do a. Open mic night. It's fine. Exactly. Or I think they could also do the Cleveland Comedy Club. I'd say that as a lover of Cleveland.

I was just in Cleveland. Lovely town. But, okay, so we decided you're going to be a big action star. Nice. Really? I mean, who would be better at that? I can't even think. Yeah. No. I mean, you got the fame. You got the name. You got the rep.

You know, you're an OG, but you're not over the hill. Right. Right. I agree with you on all points. I should be your publicist. I know. Or your agent. What the fuck are they doing for you that I have to come up with all the good ideas? Jesus Christ. Monday, you've got to go in there and you've got to kick some ass with your agent and your publicist. All right. You should already be Thor-man. I don't know what you're talking about.

And that's your catchphrase. I'm Thor. I'm Thor. Did I mention it's a gay? That's groundbreaking. Would you do it for the love of a billion dollar franchise? Would you be gay? Gay. Thor. Because there are gay guys who could fucking kick ass. Would you kiss a guy on camera if it was... They're drawing a line somewhere. Come on.

All right. Hey, we can CGI that in. We can CGI the dick. We can CGI everything. Yeah, I see that in your future. Okay, so you're a divorced dad. Yep. You're like that guy in every fucking movie on streaming. And what do you drive, Chuck? Let's complete this picture. A divorced dad who drives a...

Well, actually, I still have my H2 from the UFC. What's that, a Hummer? A Hummer. You drive a Hummer. No, I actually drive. We usually drive the Escalade, though. For having kids. I mean, come on. Of course. Are we going to go against the brand? What are you going to be, in a Subaru? Come on. OK, so a divorced dad, two kids.

I love this for a sitcom also. Former MMA champion and, you know, we've got to make this. Everyone laughs. My daughter does a competitive cheer.

I'd be like, you're a cheer dad too. A what? Cheer dad. What's that? Well, I'm just supporting my daughter who does competitive cheer, so I'm there watching her. So I'm just a dad. They have a name for this? A cheer dad? You're a cheer dad too? I'm like, yeah, yes. My daughter cheers. Oh, God. I'm here supporting her. What do you think? So that's a real term, cheer dad. Yeah. And you're one of them.

Yeah. All right. Well, you definitely should not fight again because your balls have shrunk a little just from being called a cheer dad. Okay. So. But it's great that you're. But I'm telling you. The thing you should do. Yeah. Anything for your kids. I say that like I have kids. But I mean, I know that, again, I see this from the outside. I don't understand it, but I see it. I would be so nervous to have kids because what if they're fuck-ups?

And it would not necessarily be your fault. Oh, yeah, I agree. You know, sometimes fate just... Yeah, sometimes I agree. But I guess you're... But I also would say 90% of the time, I do think a parent can shape a kid into a decent human being. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. So those are good odds. Yeah. If you do it right. I imagine you are fairly strict with...

- Um, fairly. I'm reasonable. I mean, I was raised by my mom raised me like basically to think for yourself. And, you know, I was allowed to actually argue with respect, allowed to argue with her, like try to prove my point. I didn't win very often, but if I could put a good argument together and convince her that maybe it's okay, she'd give in every once in a while. - But I'll tell you something, my father was allowed to do to me.

that you are not allowed to do, which is spank.

Especially you. I've never had to. I know, and you never would want to, Chuck. I don't want to either. No, because they would say, you know, this guy, of all the people who shouldn't be hitting, you know. Well, you know, I always tell my grandpa, I remember it was my accident with my father. I mean, we moved in with my grandparents when I was eight. And I remember he spanked me when I was 12 and, you know,

You know, I'm crying because I had to so he'd stop spanking me. You know, they went on. I didn't care. At that point, he couldn't hurt me. But he always said he was going to hurt me more than I hurt you. I went out and he was sitting there crying at the table. I was like,

Oh, okay. I can't do that again. You know, it was like, that's what got me. Not, not, it made me. Did he felt so bad about it? Yeah, he felt so bad about it. But he felt like it was something he had to do to teach me a lesson. And later on, when you showed up in his living room. No. Yeah. You always win in the end. Yeah. No, that's, that's very sweet. Yeah. But, yeah. He really...

Yeah, I mean... He did it because he felt that that was the right thing to do to teach you a lesson at that time. That's why he was right. And that's why I am grateful for the spankings I got. They were few and far between. I knew I deserved every one I got. Yeah, but when they happened, it made the point. There was a way to go, there was a place to go that a parent was able to say to a child, well, this is like on DEFCON 2 level, okay? Yeah.

You know, DEFCON 1 is we kick you out of the house. But, you know, so you got the message. And, you know, I... Yeah, and my thing, I told my little ex, when I first met her, she got mad at her daughter and grabbed her one time. And I'm like, look, hey, I'm not going to tell you how to raise your kid, but if you want to spank her or whatever, that's fine, but just don't hit her out of anger.

If you hit her, hit her for a purpose. If you want to spank her, spank her. But don't do it because you're going to hurt her by mistake. I know it's going to kill you. It's going to hurt you. And I know people will hate me for saying this. They hate sometimes when I sort of delineate the differences between generations. But I'm sorry. It's what I truly believe. The reason why I'm okay with my father spanking me is because I trust that generation.

That was the World War II generation. My parents. Yeah. Grandpa. Right. Okay. World War II. Yeah. I, they were good parents, you know. Um,

People were just they just had a lot more boundaries and a lot more responsibility back then and so I trust them generally to be able to handle Spanking a kid. I don't trust that of today's generations because I think like you say there would be too much in anger or just stupid Just that they just got people just got fucking stupider So I just don't trust them to do it today, which is a sad comment. Yeah But no, I'm sure you're ever see idiocracy

idiocracy the movie yeah the best that that i feel like sometimes i feel like we're used to that so funny you mentioned that movie listen to this so i just got a new car right okay it's electric and of course

Everything is so high tech and it has this console in the middle and it asks for your name. And I didn't want to have my real name in there because when you turn it on, it'll say, hello, Bill Maher. And I'm like, no, I don't want the ballet guy's going to hear this or whatever.

So I remember in the movie Idiocracy, remember they're trying to identify him. He's going through that machine and the robot voice is like, what is the name? And he's like, well, I'm not sure if you want the name that I'm using. Not sure. Not sure. That's his name.

So I put my name in my car. It's not sure. That's awesome. So when I turn on the car, it's like, hello, not sure. That's awesome. Isn't that great? That's so good. That's funny. I love that movie. So, okay, so in the sitcom I'm putting you in now, you're a divorced dad with two kids, and you ride around in a Hummer. I like the Hummer better. And...

I think that you are a Trump voter in a liberal town. And you wear the MAGA hat once at a softball game with your daughter. And that's the pilot. Now it's no succession. But I think CBS might fight. What do you do now that you're single? What's your social life like?

Well, actually, I've seen her grow now, so... So you have a new girlfriend already? Yeah. She's a girlfriend that I used to hang out with way back. Way back? Yeah. We've been friends for 15 years. Really? Yeah. You know, it's funny, but I hear a lot of relationships like that. I mean, from people I know, I just feel like I've heard that a lot. Like, oh, yeah, I'm with somebody. Oh, really? How'd you meet? Well, I knew him a long time ago. And it's like...

People have this connection, and then it's just the timing is wrong. Right. And one of them maybe had to mature. Wink, wink. The one with the penis, usually. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Well, that's great. So you have a comfort level. That would be cool. Oh. It's awesome. So where do you think that's going to go? Would you get married again? Or are you like those? Yeah. I would. You would? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Kid Rock has a song about being 50 and it was something like, "I used to get blown on the tour bus, now I'm more likely to be at Toys R Us." That's funny. That's what I never got about going down that path in life, that path that people have.

you know, "Oh, hey, we like each other," and then we move to the next step is like, "Oh, well, now we're kind of getting exclusive," and, "Oh, we've been together a couple of years. I mean, we probably should get engaged."

And then, okay, we're getting engaged, and it means we're going to get married. We should set a date. You know, there's this path. I feel like I'm walking down death row, you know. And it's just, okay, so then we're going to get married, and then we're going to have children. And, you know, there's just this path that it just always seemed to me like a corridor, you know, that I was walking down. And I just wanted to be able to have a –

It was like the thing when you walk onto the plane, you know. I want some escape route off of it, but it didn't exist. Yeah. Well, that's an interesting way to look at it. And I think I did for a long time. I was almost single until I was almost 40. Rain Wilson was here before. We had such a fun time. You took a picture with him. Yeah. He's a great guy. But he was like so many people who sat in that chair, they tell me that they were in therapy.

And he was saying how much, and I totally believe him, how much his therapist helped him, and he said, for 21 years. And I said, 21 years, isn't that proof it's not working? Which may be wrong, because he said, no, it's proof that it is working, because I'm so happy, and he was genuinely happy in his life. But I've never really gotten the whole therapy thing. I had stuck my toe in a couple of times, and I was like...

I couldn't stop laughing out loud at what was going on in there. Maybe that was just me, but you don't seem like you're a therapy guy. I moved to marriage counselor for a little bit. That's what mine was. It was a relationship counselor. Yeah, and it was pretty much...

I mean, I think she was going there to try to get him to change me. Like, it's like, it's like, um... I hate to be that guy, but... Exactly, bro! I'm 40 when we met. I'm... You know who I am. You knew who I was, and you know what I mean. It's like, I don't know where... I'm not...

I was 48 maybe at the time. You know, I'm not changing anytime soon. I've been this way for 48 years. I'm pretty much stuck. I never work so hard to, like, try to open my mind, to keep an open mind about something. Because I really said, if I'm going to do this, I'm not going to, like, do it like, okay, I'm going to really, really try as hard as I can.

to think this, because it could be something. And therapy truly has helped millions and billions of people, I'm sure. But I found it ridiculous. And I really tried not to. I really, I wanted it not to be ridiculous. But I just found it to be ridiculous. And like, only in the sense of like, you know, we're coming up against

forces of nature that are so much deeper than just what can happen in a therapy session. And you can't change them. You can't change them. You can't change the nature of men and women and what works. What works? Woody Allen had that movie. Whatever works. And I know a lot of people are snickering like, oh, he's one to talk about relationships. Well, don't get me started on Woody Allen and what an injustice and how un-American it is to have made him a pariah.

for something two investigations proved to their proof. You know, I mean, we don't know for sure what the truth is, but for the investigation to say he was innocent, he did not molest his five-year-old daughter. It's like people love to do that with famous people. It's like what happened to innocent until proven guilty? Exactly. Oh, I know. Oh, it's...

Do you fear cancel culture? Have they tried to get rid of you? How can they get rid of you? No, I don't. I mean, I don't.

I don't know. You definitely don't belong to the left, so they can't excommunicate you because you don't live there. Yeah, but I'm okay with people. I'm fine. We can be friends. A lot of the stuff that they're going after so far one way, it's like no one cares. No one cares if you have drag shows. Exactly. No one cares. I don't know anyone that does.

People don't care about drag shows. They do care, I think, legitimately about bringing five-year-olds to them. Yes, 100%. I saw one. Someone sent me a video. Some kid was throwing a dollar at that. If I took my son, who's nine, to a bikini bar, I'd get supervised visitation.

Yeah, right. And if I had them throwing dollars at a stripper at a bikini bar, I'd get, but I could take them to a drag show and have them throw dollars at this dude. I mean, they're not necessarily trans. Some of them are just, they're just drag. It's like, can't we just,

I just always want to say, can't we just go back to like five years ago? I'm not trying to turn the clock all the way back. I'm just saying like, do we have to get children involved in our political squabbles about sex and gender and race? Can't they just have age five to ten kids?

to think about bullshit, not their dick yet, and not the color of their skin, and all this kind of-- - 100%. - Or do we have to force this? And that's what we did five years ago. - I go back to, I don't mean to get myself in trouble talking about BLM, but to talk about BLM, I was trying to explain what was going on with my kid. Someone wanted me to explain it, so I'm trying to explain. So I was telling my daughter, "Okay, this is your friend, this is your friend who's black."

This friend's black. And this friend's your other friend that's black. I was pointing out some of their friends were black. And then I went, and they go, Dad, you're wrong. He's brown. And I went, I went, you know what? I'm good. We're good. I'm done talking. It's a color to them. They're kids. They were kids.

It's a color. Why do we have to teach them race? You can't be done. You got to stay in that fight because it's not that hard. But I admit, I agree rather, it's just annoying. But that's where that generation is. They're just...

My, like, philosophical view of it is they romanticize the idea of the social justice warrior. To them, that's the highest type of warrior. A certain type of kid, right? So they want to have all these causes.

But a lot of the heavy lifting was done by other generations. But since they weren't alive for that, it didn't happen. So when they say things are worse than they've ever been, that's because things are worse than they've ever been in their lifetime. Right. And they're 12. Right.

So they're going to be like race obsessed. And, you know, I mean, I'm not a parent, but if I was, I would make sure the kids knew I was an old school liberal on race before I also then interjected the idea. But there was also a lot of nuttiness on the other side going on now.

race-obsessed is different than race is a number one issue in America and we need to always be aware of it and work on it. That's different than just everything is race. You know, if Angela Bassett doesn't win the Oscar...

It's not a racial thing. Like some people, like in 2023, are you kidding? They're trying more to give it to people of color. 100%. Okay, so, you know, to make a racial issue of everything, to be against that does not make me a conservative. I don't know what you call yourself. You say you're in the middle. That's great. I think...

Even if we didn't agree on everything? Yeah, I mean, I lean... I have people ask... I mean, I lean conservative. I mean, I'm probably fiscally conservative more than anything. But I'm, like, I believe in live and let live. You're a big, badass bruiser. Of course you're a conservative. What the fuck do they think you're doing? Like, sitting around with a lute? Like, fucking... No, no.

Yes. Everybody has to sort of accept that they live in a country where half the people are nothing like you. They're like from a different planet. But they're not from a different planet. They're not even from a different country.

And actually, like, again, the progress thing, I just find it so interesting that we don't like stop and memorialize, okay, it wasn't that long ago when the sports, especially the tough guy sports, would not entertain these ideas about gayness or trans. And now it's just completely different. And it's funny that what used to be the liberal position on women in sports

which was Title IX. They passed Title IX in 1972, and it said every college and university has to have a program that gives equal resources to the women in sports. And yet because of that, they eliminated a lot of male sports. Right. A lot of male sports. And because they had to keep football, which had the most money, because it makes money. Right. It makes the most money.

Anyway, but that's what the old school was, that women should have equal. Now they're arguing that they should be able to, that they're trans, that people should be able to. Well, that's my point. That's ridiculous. Now they've completely undone what liberals did with Title IX. It had its flaws, yes, but it was a great start, that women's sports are equal. Equal, but not the same. Right.

And the idea that you put some of these obviously male athletes, I mean, I think the swimmer still had a penis and was still dating women, which was, I think, what I would define as a dude. Right. Okay. It was like something like at a hot. They just put a wig on and jumped in the pool. You know, I mean, come on. So, again, this... I mean, it's not...

I mean, it's not fair. It's not fair. It's just not competitive. And it's fair. I mean, when they say that he... Especially in sports like that, you can look at the time. If he was completely on the male side of that, he wouldn't even have been close. And this is the thing...

again, that makes people into Trump voters is that there is this level of being divorced from the reality of life, like men are pregnant and women are just as good at sports, that strikes a lot of people as like, yeah, I don't know what your exact policy is on this or this. I just know that people who think like that, I can't trust them with leadership.

That's a big problem. There's an article in The Atlantic, which is a very esteemed magazine, and the title of it was Separating Sports by Sex Doesn't Make Sense. Of course it does make sense for obvious reasons. And then it went on to say,

I mean, a whole article they printed where if I read you some of these quotes, you'd be like, it's LOL funny. How divorced from reality. And as if it was even an insult to say that women are not as physically strong. But it's like, I'll tell you, a couple of my really liberal friends, the funny thing about them is they will not denounce anything on the liberal side of politics. Yeah, that is a problem. It's a problem on the right, too. Oh.

on not one thing. But I mean, you don't think, oh, they're racist. I don't know one of my conservative friends that doesn't have a problem with the racists. Like, it's not. I mean, I don't know one of them. But they'll denounce someone. They'll tell you, you know, that guy's an asshole. I don't like that guy. They're more than happy to do that. But I mean, if you can't even, look, this is not, you know, it's not you. And I, because I'm not, I'd be like, I know, look, okay, we, I know you. We hang out.

I know you're not okay with that. Why can't you say you're not okay with it? Because it's a liberal policy point? I mean, it's like, why can't you just speak your mind? Because that's not your mind. And also just assess everything by the merit of it as an idea and not by who said it, what race they were when they said it. You know, just what's true and what's not true.

Instead of just like, that can't be true because you're on the other side. Because you're on the other team. Let me find out. Yeah, let me find something. It's like they say, you exchange your phone with someone else at a different time.

They can just see the news feeds you get. Okay, exactly. Because it's like that... Well, you say you get from both sides. Yeah, because people... I have friends on both sides. Good. But like social dilemma, they're talking about how people...

you know, how the social media, like, kind of, you know, it kind of feeds you down those rabbit holes of stuff that reinforces what you believe. Of course. That's what I'm saying. Like, I need it. But I can read, like, for me, like, when I start reading an article and I go, oh, fuck.

on either side, it's like I can tell that they're just trying to show bias one way. I'm like, I don't have time to do this because I'm not going to have to go research, read three more articles to figure out if this is right. And so I'm saying, I need a professional staff, not

everyone has that to actually vet this and find out, oh, okay, that part of what you said is true. This is misleading. Here's the other argument. Some of, some of that is bullshit also. And some is true. And like, but who has that?

Yeah, 100%. Because every once in a while I'll go through with a buddy that sends me some crazy meme. I'm like, okay, hold on. Let me research this for a minute. It's so gross. And now I'm going to send you what? This is really, yeah, it's kind of true, but it's not representative of what the answer really should be or could be. This may be a little inside politics and don't.

feel bad to say I didn't follow this, but there was a commission appointed to look into

the FBI's investigation of Trump for being connected with Russia. - Right, I-- - Called the Durham, John Durham did it. You heard about that? - I didn't hear, I don't look-- - Okay, but this is the kind of thing we're talking about. So John Durham, he's this prosecutor, seems to be a little leaning right. He was looked into, not into Trump's connections with Russia, which I won't bore everyone, but there are some very obvious connections with Russia.

like his campaign manager shared information with the Russian Secret Service. Okay, little things like that. But we'll go through that. That was five years ago. So the commission comes out and John Durham, I mean, it took like four years looking at it. And again, they're looking into the investigation of the investigation.

And, you know, the conservative papers were all like, just as we said, just as we thought, this was a hoax and they set him up. But when you look at what the facts were, this was a four year investigation, two very minor indictments.

of people peripherally involved with the Clinton campaign that were both acquittals, I believe. Or one was like, I think it was guilty, but it was guilty of like lying to the FBI, not guilty of the actual crime they were looking for. So like, nobody like, this is like, you're talking about statistics before. This is like, to me, okay, this is the statistic. This is the actual thing. After four years, the guy didn't bring evidence.

any cases except two little ones that he only half won. So for those of you who are saying, this proves Trump was set up, I can see you're lying. And the other side does it too. There were things that the FBI should have done differently and blah, blah, blah, and they downplay that. But basically, like, if I have to find a ref, I like to find something that's in, like, actual facts, like he only brought two cases and they did not succeed.

front of juries now people are stupid maybe the jury's were but it basically looks like you got nothing the FBI was looking into Trump for very good reasons because he was fucking connected with Russia in a million ways he didn't act there's no smoking gun reflux the Kremlin peed in a bed with a hooker and then somebody said okay and here's the information on Hillary but he encouraged that publicly

Russia, if you're listening, I hope you... I think it's Hillary encouraged China to do it. Hillary did not encourage China to do it. Actually, I did a bit... It was on a thing. I think she was trying to be funny on an interview. I did a bit that she should do that. And about a year later, then she said it. Possibly because of...

Someone had hipped her, I doubt. She watches my show, but someone probably hipped her to that. Maybe it's a coincidence, but yes. No, no, I'm not saying she did. That's an interview. I just remember seeing that. You're right, and that was a mistake too.

It wasn't nearly as consequential because she wasn't running for president at the time. He was actually saying during a presidential election. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know timing on it. Like I said, I try not to get too much into stuff that I didn't follow much, like the Durham report. I don't have enough information to argue it. Well, I'm telling you, that's important information, that Donald Trump is a guy who is not above taking...

help from people who nobody ever used help from in elections where we had, we fought like dogs for elections, but we had one rule. Don't bring any outside ringers in. You know, I used to play in this softball league in New York called the Broadway Show League. It was the comedians and the people in Broadway shows, not Muslim men like you, okay? Actors, singers, dancers, comics. And, you know, so we'd play against each other. It was fun.

And sometimes someone would bring in a ringer. Somebody you're like, where is this guy? What show is he in? Because he looks like ex-major leaguer, you know. And sure enough, it was like some ringer. And that was considered a great faux pas. You should not bring in a ringer. And I would say the same thing about Donald Trump and Russia. Don't bring in a ringer.

Fight here in America against your American foe, and don't take help from the people who do not have our best interests at heart, who are our enemies. And, you know, it's hard for me to reconcile how patriot-loving Americans can abide that in their big hero, Donald Trump. Yeah. Like I said, I didn't follow any of that. Why? Your friends didn't write you out that shit? No, I didn't get that back then. I don't know why.

Who would you, if you could pick anybody to be president, who would it be? Yeah, you know, that's an interesting question. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I've always said I want an option that's not the, you know. You what? I want an option that's not the lesser of two evils. Is there nobody coming up who, like, really stood out as somebody who had a lot of integrity and...

stood by you? I mean, I came up. I mean, me and my trainer, you know, I just came up. I don't know. A lot of people I liked, but I mean, I don't know. They need to be interested in being president. No, but you're saying you did it all yourself. Did what? Made it. Well, I mean... There was no, like, mentor, right?

Not really. I mean, my coach, the trainer helped me. But it was like he was my striking coach and helped me. And I kind of met a jiu-jitsu coach, and I kind of put it all together. I kind of built it together myself, put it together as a team. And, I mean, my trainer, you know, he helped me put the final touches on a lot of things. My jiu-jitsu coach, you know, he helped me, you know, become a better fighter. And a lot of people along the way.

But, I don't know. It all kind of just comes down to you. Yeah, it comes down to you. Yeah. That's cool. I mean, it's just not that way for everybody, but I totally get it. That's...

I think it's part of being part of a sport that was just coming up, too. It was just the beginning of a sport. No, you were ahead of the game. Yeah. I think it really helped. When I came into it, you have three elements, right? You have striking, some kind of striking. You have wrestling and then jiu-jitsu ground stuff, ground fighting. And I came in, I had a wrestling background. I was a striker.

And I had to learn one. So most guys were coming in with one that they're really good at. They had to learn the other two. So I had a little bit of advantage that I had two that I was pretty good at. And I had to learn a third. I just had to learn one. So it gave me a little bit of advantage that way in the beginning. So if you were in a bar and a fight broke out and you had to be in it, which of these? I prefer striking. Always have.

Striking. Punching people in the face. I knew it. Everything comes back to punching people in the face.

I wish I could have had a life where I was able to punch people in the face. I bet you it's really satisfying in a certain way, much as we hate to say it. But as long as you know you're not really killing them and sometimes they've been obnoxious and they deserve it, and they're young, it's gonna heal. Again, your face looks perfectly fine.

You're ready for your close-up as the next action star. All we got to do... Now, is the Mohawk a deal-breaker? No. It's my thing, but I've changed it for movies. Oh, you have? I've done...

Pretty much, it takes a little while to grow some out, but this is as long as it's been. It's decided. You will be the first gay superhero. It's perfect because, again, you're so macho. Like, you're the most macho guy there is. So, like, of all the people in the world who can afford to, like, then be a gay superhero, again, just a character, and we'll cut out the kissing, or we'll CGI it.

All right. I can be the producer? Sure. Okay. Thank you. That was a lot of fun. You are a good sport, Chuck.