Aaron Rodgers | Club Random with Bill Maher
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LinkedIn, the place to be, to be. All right. I said only reigning MVPs would I talk to at this point. Oh, it is. I'm sorry. I was about to yell at the crew. Right. Aaron Rodgers. Good to see you. Man of his word. Thank you. You said you would do this and you fucking showed up. You're the man. Well. And Bill Maher hits you up and asks you to be on his show. Thank you. I have to ask you, though.

I mean, I didn't realize until yesterday that your season starts a week from tomorrow. Yeah. Wow. Last few days of vacation. Right. This is the calm before the chaos. Yeah, right. You don't have to practice every fucking day. No, we get the weekend off. It's great. Right, you need that. What is it like going back to school? The first day of training camp is for sure. It's...

Aaron, I got you a cigar. Oh, thank you. I saw you smoking it on another Lesser podcast. Do you smoke or? I don't smoke that. Why not? You know, I was going to ask. Well, first of all, as someone once said, a cigar is a cigarette without any manners.

I don't know what the kick is. Like, I understand what... Boy, do I understand about marijuana. Because it gets you high. You're making me not want to smoke this thing. I'll put that away, all right? Yeah. No, I want you to be happy here. I'm so... I want to have a little 42 with you. Okay, great. Yeah. Right. It's the last week... It's Labor Day weekend. Come on. Come on. How much? Well, pour until you're happy. All right. Yeah. There's plenty here. Thank you.

Yeah, I mean, I... This is incredible, by the way. Oh, isn't this a great setup? This is amazing. I get very upset when people call it a man cave. A man cave is something a married person has that has a fish on the wall. This is a nightclub, right? It is, it is. I mean, there's the VIP room. I want to invite back when it is a nightclub, though. Yeah, please. I had parties in here for 20 years before we made it into this. Yeah.

But you see the VIP sign and it says, best friends only, drink what you like. Stab is 2021. Yeah, exactly. Year two, drink what you like, say what you want. Okay. Which is my credo in life as well as here. You know, I've always tried to make...

The closest approximation of my real life as I can on television. When I did that show, Politically Incorrect, that was the beginning of it. I think Real Time on HBO, which is not a broad, you know, it's a cable network. It can say fuck and whatever the fuck you want. It's the best. Right. That got closer to it. But this is the closest. This is exactly what my life is. I love it. I love it. Yeah.

So, and I know you can't- It seems like on real time, that's you though. Oh, totally. Yeah. It's just me in a suit.

And we're talking politics almost the whole time because that's what the show is. This is much more informal. And I started this because people kept saying to me at dinner, like, you know, there's so many things you talk about that are interesting that you would never go to on real time because it's really a weekly wrap up show. I got to talk about what Biden's fucking doing and shit like that. And it's not that's not my whole that's not all of me.

This is closer to me. I love it. You know, we get into politics. I mean, I'm sure we will too. But, I mean, I have, I mean, look, I never know what I'm going to say. That's the other thing. On my show, I prepare everything. Here, I prepare nothing. Really? Because it seems so off the cuff. I mean, you're so brilliant, but it seems so... On real time. Yeah. Yes, because I try to make it look like that. That's what...

There's an Italian phrase, sprezzatura. They used to say Joe DiMaggio embodied it. It's making something that is hard look easy. I would say that is very much what you do. I would send it right back to you. Well, I'll try to hit the route over the middle, Aaron, and then you can hit me. Those are the easy ones. You've got to get the back shoulder one down the sidelines. I have to say about football...

That of all the sport things I've thought of this many times because I have a basketball court here I have a pitching machine. I had balls every day. I loved it Oh, it's the greatest warm-up. Even if you don't feel like working out. Yeah, you'll always feel like hitting something and to swing a bat at a ball and

It's like I can get into a little sweat from that, even if I don't feel good. And then, oh, now here's the court. I'll shoot hoops for 20 minutes. So you're an athlete. Not quite on your level. Very close. Don't challenge me, Aaron. No, but... I will take out just enough to beat you. Most people in your field have very limited athletic skills. Woody Harrelson was sitting in this chair. Woody's an athlete. Two weeks ago. Yeah.

Doing this at night Friday night and went on for three hours because of this we had to cut like two hours out of it, but We went and played midnight basketball. Yeah at like 1:00 in the morning and Of course, we were high which gives you both of us are the type who get high from pot So we had a lot of energy. Yeah, but I mean, yeah for 66 years old I covered him

I wore him like your shirt. Locked down. Because he is good. And we won those games. I was playing with a guy who can't shoot and a girl who was on my team. We still beat him. You like the challenge. You gave them a good squad, right? No, he didn't have a good squad either. But he was the one who would have scored, and I shut him down. We won that game on defense. Good.

I love it. So what else do you want to know from me about sports? Man. Yeah. Basketball, baseball, golf. No, but what I was going to say is like, I feel like in football, it is the sport, your position is the sport, like of all the sports, of all the things you can do in sports, it is the place where you get most easily exposed and embarrassed.

if you're not really, really good. I mean, I have seen so many guys, you know, I'm a lifelong Giant fan. I love watching you, but sorry, that'll never happen. That's okay. I know it's okay. Of course it's okay. Whatever you want. I learned it on my father's knee, okay? I'm literally on my father's knee watching the New York Giants. And my father was a fan of the Giants.

from, he was born in 1921, the franchise started in 1925, so he kind of like came alive with the franchise and was always a lifelong giant fan. When they were in the Super Bowl in 86, I flew him out here with money I did not have and bought tickets with money I did not have. Nosebleed seats, but still, we got to see him play

The Giants and Phil Simms beat Elway. That had to be a thrill for him. Such a thrill. I feel like that, more than anything, was my thank you for raising me right and not like a fucking pussy. It's a pretty fucking good gift. It was a great gift. And he did raise me right. We were not like friends. He was my father, which is where parents go wrong. You can't do that anymore, though. Exactly. Exactly.

Anyway, but the point being that, like, I've seen so many guys, especially on the New York teams in recent years, just get carried out in body bags at that position. If you can't, you either are at the very, very top... Mm-hmm.

or you're embarrassed. That's why people are paying so much for a guy, because we got a guy, even if he's not like the guy or an elite guy, they got to pay him because they know the difference between kind of the top 10, top 15 guys in the bottom. Cigar? Yeah, sure. Oh. Let me cut this. It's so... The circumcision of the cigar. Yeah. Right? There we go. That's a good cutter. I call that the cigar circumcision.

That is a stogie. Jesus Christ. You look like the mayor of Boston in 1910. Yeah. That I just don't get because it doesn't get you high. It smells like a skunk's cunt. It can, yeah. I think it's all about the look. You're saying you're not getting any type of feeling from this. Right. It's more just kind of the look and the atmosphere. I mean, you certainly don't inhale it. No, of course not.

See, the problem with this is I can never finish a thought. I've been trying to finish a thought. How long have you been here? Like an hour? No, but yeah, I feel like as a fan, and I am a true fan, if the game does not have two very capable quarterbacks,

It's fucking boring. Can be, yeah. It's like, it's almost soccer. Yeah, but I grew up watching Barry Sanders and that was electric because every time he touched the ball, he could take it the distance. So there's certain players on certain teams where you don't need a stud quarterback. But the quarterbacks push the league forward. Not really, because, I mean, a running back, if they only have the running back, they're going to,

the box and stopped. They did that against Detroit, but Barry still rushed for 2,000 in 98. Was each game interesting? Did the Lions go anywhere? Did they win those games? They went to the playoffs one year. Lost to the Packers. Unless I'm watching the Giants, okay.

Kind of the Jets. I mean, we also rooted for the Jets. Really? Is that okay? Of course. That's okay? I never understood that thing about... The Yankees and Mets? Yes, absolutely. I gave up. I became a Met. Some people are real territorial about that. You got to like the Jets and the Yankees. You got to like the Jets and the Mets. No, I was a Met minority owner for 10 years. I bought into the Mets. You got out? Had to. Steve Cohen bought the team last year.

You had done pretty well with that. Very well. It's amazing that it... Sports franchises are going fucking nuts right now. I knew that in 2011 when it happened. I was like, why am I doing this? There's a lot of richer people than me. I was like, oh, I'm glad I saved my pennies. I'm glad I have no alimony and children and other appurtenances that would have cost me my savings. I was able to buy...

a percentage of the New York Mets, a fucking comedian. And yes, it did very well. It was so undervalued. The team was valued at like $750 million. This is the New York franchise Major League Baseball in New York. I was like, and everybody told me not to do it. I was like, you're fucking nuts. Who? My accountants. Who defriended them? They're not invited to Club Random. These were my financial advisors. Oh, right.

Because the Mets had such a stink on them. They were being sued by the Bernie Madoff survivors because the Wilpons, who owned the team at the time, were like very in with Madoff. So it looked like the whole thing was going to shit. And the team sucked. But I was like, it's New York. Yeah. It's New York. It's sports franchise too. And exact. So anyway, it sold for $2.4 billion.

Good for you. Yeah, good for me, exactly. But no, you can, I rooted for the, we rooted for the Mets and the Yankees and the Giants and the Jets. It was like being bisexual. You had twice, you had twice the chance of a date on Saturday night. You had twice the chance that the team would win. You know, that one of your teams would win. The Mets won the series in 86, right? Yes. But they haven't won it since. And the Yankees obviously have won it 20 some odd times. 2009. Yeah.

You remind me a lot of Jeter. That's a compliment. It is. Is that because I'm not married and I'm almost 40? Well, I wasn't thinking of that, but Derek Jeter certainly did have a notable bachelorhood. I mean, there was some most valuable pussy in that guy's past.

But I think in both cases, we're talking about two guys who are so, like, focused in a very controlled, unobnoxious way, unlike certain Patriot quarterbacks, and know that they couldn't

Really do both that you can't you're kind of married to your career. Yeah, I'm the same way except I never retired So I don't ever have to get married. I can do this till I'm 100. What am I doing? I'm sitting here getting My skills are not going to erode I might I might get Alzheimer's tomorrow or got it No, but you fucking sure. No, thanks, but I feel like that like I think you will get married and

like Derek Jeter did. But you can't be married to both this sport, which is to be at the top like you guys are of this most competitive thing in the whole world. Who doesn't want to be the star quarterback in the high school? You get all the cheerleaders liking you and the money and also just the thrill of achieving something

At that level. Because it is mostly mental, right? 100%. Especially as you get older. On your level? Yeah, because the physical talent is so equal, you know, in the NFL. But it's the mental that separates you from good to great. I would say, you know, I think, and I think Derek would probably say the same thing, but the most important thing is balance. You know, like I think balance is so important. Being excellent is...

And what you do has to be paired with a healthy balance of, like, other interests off the field, travel, separation from your sport. Because to be that locked in for six months, you got to fucking, on the other side, be able to unwind. So what do you do? I mean, I live out here in Malibu. I know. You're from California. Yeah, I'm from California. Yeah. State's going to shit, but I'm hanging on. It sure is.

It sure is. I bitch about it all the time. It took me three years to get the solar turned on here. Really? Yeah, just because of the bureaucracy. Yeah, that's bullshit. But no, I like to travel. I like to just unwind. You know, my schedule is to the minute on what I got to do for six months. So when I'm off, I'm off. I'm not like adherent to any type of schedule. I do exactly what I want to do. I spend time where I want to spend time. I travel when I want to travel.

What do you mean to the minute? Like, you know, 8 o'clock, we got a meeting. 8.30, I got to work out. You know, 8.45. This is set by the team or you? Yeah, by the team. By the team. Yeah. So, I mean, I work out in the off-season and I go through my process and stuff. And you obviously are okay with that. Yeah, I mean, there's something to the satisfaction of...

you know, having a schedule and sticking to it. I think there's something, you know, there's something satisfying about that. But there's also the freedom of being able to set your own schedule that gives me the mental clarity to be able to come back and fucking lock in. I would think that at this point, the team would trust you a little more than that. Down to the minute. It's the NFL. Like, we're a dinosaur, you know? It's like, it's justifying position every second of the day. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah.

And they've done a good job, a better job the last couple years of trusting, you know, if I need to be away from the team, you know, for OTAs and stuff, I have the latitude to make sure that I'm, you know, mentally clear because they know when I'm back, I'm fucking back. I'm locked in. Of course. It's like, who wants to win more than you? No one. It's like...

you have not reached this point in your life yet, but you will, I was talking to a cardiologist, nothing wrong with me, don't worry people, but you know, you just want to get checked up. Okay. So, like, he was telling me this and that, and like, you and I will, hopefully we'll get to this, but probably not, because I'll forget because I'm smoking pot, but I do want to talk to you about medical matters, because that's the

original reason that I really connected with you is because I'm like, oh, finally, here's a guy who's got the balls to be on my page. And he's like, finally, I have an ally out there who's sort of like just put in the water out there, people, that there is a different way to look

at medicine and matters of health than just what they're telling you from up high. Anyway, we'll get to that. But so this cardiologist is telling me, you know, this and that. And it doesn't all jive with what I believe from what I talk to many different kinds of doctors and medical experts. As you should. As you should. And I finally said to him, look, of all the people in the world,

who want me to live, I guarantee you I am at the top of the list. Like if you made a list, I know you have my best interest at heart. - Number one. - And you want me to be unstattened badly and blah, blah, blah. And I submit to that. But I'm telling you, I'm not self-sabotaging. If I don't do exactly what you say, it's because I have other information. And you don't have a monopoly on health information. No doctor does. Medicine is not that kind of field.

Anyway. So what happened? You're on statins? No! I won't. I won't. They're terrible for you. Yeah. You agree? I agree. Yes. And there's plenty of the science. These people are like, as if there is such a thing as the science. That pisses me off right away. Science is ever-changing. Of course, especially medical science. What they don't know is they just found out two weeks ago they were prescribing...

What is one of those antidepressants because it or maybe all of them because they did something with serotonin and they just found out the depression had nothing to do with the serotonin. So something they were giving people forever was completely misdiagnosed. And I'm not saying they did it on purpose, although there is a lot of corruption in medicine.

Yeah. But they just got it wrong. And they're always getting shit wrong. Again, not because I'm not saying it's a giant plot. I'm just saying we're at the infancy of understanding how the body works. If we weren't, you could go to a doctor tomorrow and say, I'm not feeling good. Oh, yeah. Well, you have cancer here, but we know exactly what caused it. And we know exactly how to fix it.

We're not there. We're not close. Yeah, so just fucking admit when you're wrong. And admit what you don't know. What you don't know. I mean, we're not fucking living on Elysium, that movie where you could go in some little tube and get fucking healed in a heartbeat. I just saw it. Come on, that'd be fucking great, but that's not the reality. Not a great movie, but it killed two hours. But Matt Damon was in it, so you watch it. Yeah, you watch it.

So, but the point I was getting to was that, like, I would think that these people at the Packers understand that of all the people in the world who have a vested interest in winning and doing your best, you're number one. So give you a little, you know, leeway. I mean, you have one day off a week, don't you? Yeah, we do. What day? Tuesday. Tuesday.

Not Monday after the game? No. It's actually better on Tuesday. Monday, it's better to get in, get a workout, kind of get the lactic acid out, and then Tuesday, have an off day. It's much better. Wow. You're almost like Broadway. Some teams do Mondays, but I never like Mondays because what would happen is they would use that Monday. They'd make it so where you really didn't have a day off because they'd say, Monday, well, you got to come and get the lactic acid out. So then...

Everybody would come in Monday and you'd end up not having a day off. And how do we get the lactic acid out these days? Just sweat a little bit, I guess. I don't know. Is that it? Yeah. It's like saunas. Move around, sweat, yeah. Sauna's really good for you. Massages. There's a lot of great research about sauna. Do you have a sauna? Absolutely. I have an infrared sauna. I mean, it's like something crazy. The numbers, you know, it's exponentially higher one time a week, two times a week, three times a week, four times a week with cardiovascular disease and heart attack issues. Yeah.

the more times you sit in it per week. It's crazy. All saunas? Or, I mean, this one I have... You probably have the best of the best. You might only need one or two times a week. I was told... You did play at a good era because you play in an era where you can't just attack the quarterback the way they used to. No, no. If you were playing in, I mean...

I mean, even the 90s. Even the 90s. Absolutely. I mean, how did quarterbacks even survive? I mean, you wouldn't need ayahuasca. You could have what Terry Bradshaw had, just a juggled brain. It's very freeing, Aaron. TBS, Terry Bradshaw syndrome, and you're high all the time. But would you think you'd even be playing? I don't know.

Because maybe you might have been knocked out. I always feel like I could be a generational player. I feel like I'm a throwback to some extent. You know, I don't wear any rib pads. I wear a single chin strap, no mouthpiece, no ankles taped.

You know, I've always prided myself on toughness. That's what everybody else wears? I mean, people wear, you know, rib pads and anchor tape and mouthpiece. And why you don't? Because it... Because I played behind the ultimate tough guy. You play better... What? I played behind the ultimate tough guy. Who? Brett Favre. He started 300-plus straight games, and he taped his ankles, but that's single strap, chin strap, no mouthpiece, no rib pads. So I said, shit, if this guy does it, I got to do it. Wow. Got no choice.

This is what toughness looks like. Okay, I'm going to do that. Oh, jeez. So macho, Aaron. Jesus Christ. Take a chill pill. Who gives a shit what Brett Favre did? I mean, he was great, but he also, he was much more, I feel like,

I feel like he won a lot of games, and he also lost a lot with his sort of recklessness. I don't think that's you. I don't have the reckless streak. You don't. And that's a very important part of that position, I feel. I remember when he was on the Jets, more than one time being like, oh, fuck you, Brett Favre. What did you do that for?

He liked to take some chances, man. He liked to take a lot of chances. Yeah, he was a good old... That's why people loved him, because he played on the edge. So you were like a rookie when he was... Three years. Three years you were his understudy. That must have been tough. It was interesting. To sit, right? You're not a sit guy. No, it was definitely an ego hit, for sure, because you think you're coming in, I'm the fucking man, I'm going to play right away, and blah, blah, blah. But the best thing was I got to see what greatness was firsthand, so it...

Yeah, you know not many quarterbacks had to come in and kind of have that tutorial I remember from a guy can really fucking play I don't know I remember this cuz I don't I often think why do you remember certain things? That seemed trivial and then remember and then forget like I forget like fucking whole swaths of time and like really of course and

You don't remember everything you're disc full, you know, you don't so it's like it's like so it just seems so idiosyncratic like what thing sticks in my mind, but I remember At a Playboy mansion party. It was probably around start to the story. What you what year was your rookie year? Oh five Okay, so this must have been like oh four or five and you were not there Cato Kaelin Packer fan

Son of Wisconsin, huge Packer fan, telling a group of guys who should have been talking to girls, who were sitting talking about football, and he was saying, we have this guy coming up, Aaron Rodgers, who's going to be, and he just went on and on. And we were like, we never heard of him, Aaron Rodgers. And we, it was, okay, of course you're a Packer fan. Look at Cato give me a shout out at the Playboy Man. And predicted it right. He was like, this guy is going to be one of the all-time greats. And we were like,

We'll see. They said that about everybody. I love it, man. Yeah. Thanks, Kato. Yes. If you ever run into him, I'm sure he... I've never run into him, but I think he follows me on Twitter. I'm sure he does. And I always thought that was fascinating at first, and then I was like... Trust me, he'd suck your dick in two seconds. You would not have to ask twice. But, yeah. Yeah.

When I had Ricky Williams, this may be one of his joints, by the way. What? Ricky Williams is in the pot business. Yeah. A lot of athletes are. How crazy that basically that ruined his career. You know, a plant ruined his career. Marijuana ruined Ricky Williams' career. Oh. Because he got suspended and basically kicked out of the league for smoking. Yeah.

Such, you know, speaking of what we were just speaking of, pharmaceuticals, and the NFL being dictatorial, here's a guy who, he had, this is also like 2005, right? Did you ever play with him or against him? Against him, yeah. Really? He was still in the league? He was in Miami in 06, I think. Okay, but that was the end of it. Yeah. Okay. So here's, and he had mental issues, right?

He's a very smart guy. Like depression or something? Yes, and anxiety. And I think paranoia. I mean, he thought every Sunday a bunch of big guys were chasing him. I love Pot. But no, he did. He had paranoia and he had anxiety. And Pot was great for all of this.

For him. For a lot of people. For a lot of people. And this is so like a recapitulation of what we've seen with COVID recently. It's like, no, the government stepped in, the powers that be, the people who think they have the billions, and said, no, Ricky Williams, you can't do the thing that works for you, that you know works for you. You have to do the pharmaceutical version of it. And Ricky was like, I don't want to do the pharmaceutical version. It doesn't work as good and it's worse for me.

This is like when people were dying from Vioxx. Which was distributed super widely, and then what, recalled? You're talking about Vioxx? Yeah. And then they got sued, and they paid out $5 billion, but they made $12 billion. Vioxx relieves the pain of arthritis by killing you. There was five figures of people that died. Like 50,000, 60,000 people that died. How many? 50,000 or 60,000, I believe. We talked about it on Rogan's podcast about Vioxx. When I was in college, everybody was on Vioxx.

All my team is from Vioxx. 50,000 people? I think something like that. From Vioxx? Maybe they'll fact check me, those amazing fact checkers. Okay, so let's just be clear about that. We're not saying we know for sure it's that number.

Which is fine. Rogan said on the podcast last week it was 50 or 60,000. Okay, but I'm not sure about that either. I've never seen that number, and it could be. But if it is, I'll say this. If that number is that high, it's kind of a scandal that the media didn't cover it more. Because I remember the media covering it, but that's an astounding number. I mean, when opioids, which kill more than that every year,

But the Sackler family who run the drug company that put out Oxycontin They have been held accountable now not as much they should have they well They should be in many people would say not enough because they should be in jail for what they did But I mean if they knew that they did possible. This was the trial that we just had This is that great movie dope sick is about that with Michael Keaton That Syria that gets on one of the streaming services anyway

No, I mean, they have been made to pay a multi-billion dollar fine. It wasn't just a slap on the wrist, but I don't think it was commensurate with what they did. The thing, you know, that I emailed you the other day about what I did Friday night, I had on two people I like a lot, Senator Klobuchar and Rob Reiner, but they were very happy about Joe Biden just passing this new bill.

You know, and I think it's a good bill in general that and part of it is that finally we're going to allow How we didn't do this forever. I don't know what we were finding real finally going to allow in this law drug companies

the government rather, to negotiate with the drug companies for Medicare, the prices that... Medicare is the biggest buyer in the world, and they're not getting a wholesale price on that? That's what's been going on. And Obama tried to get that, couldn't get it. Even Trump wanted to get that. Now the government can negotiate for lower prices with Medicare. So I said, you know...

All right, so the drug companies were evil for withholding that for this long. And they were like, oh, yes, drug companies evil. And they're evil because they fucking sold people these opioids and killed hundreds of thousands of people. Yes, evil. But somehow with COVID, they always have our best interests at heart. And of course, there's not much they could say about that.

Because it just doesn't make sense. It's the fucking truth, though. It is the truth. That's my problem with society today is why does everyone have to be so fucking bipartisan? Like, every issue is not a partisan issue. There's right and there's wrong. There's things that make sense and things that don't make sense. Medicine. You don't have to fucking toe the line on what your party's saying.

And that's the only stance you can take, right? Can you not rationally have a conversation about things that make sense and be able to not be swayed by whether you vote red or blue? Not in America anymore, no. You can't. And to me, the ultimate issue that should not be political or partisan is medicine, health. Yeah. What is more personal?

then what I, you know, you do you to how you want to treat your body. Now, if the argument is, well, if you don't do our pharmaceutical answer, then you're going to risk other people's lives. First of all, that's not true. That's a red herring argument. I mean, it may be

That's true with other things at other times or with this before they knew that the vaccine does not prevent infection and does not prevent transferal. So now that we know it doesn't do either one of those things, it shouldn't matter what I do. Okay. So that's first. But beyond that, what could be more personal than how I choose to treat my body? I mean, like Djokovic can't play.

It's so annoying to me. I'm watching the U.S. Open now. Yeah, last night, Serena. Oh, I didn't see. She won? She lost last night. Oh. Oh, well. But the best fucking player in the men's side can't play. One of the most fit guys in the fucking world. That's the point. Who's had COVID at least once, if not twice. Can't fucking come to New York. It is a complete compendium of what a Potemkin village, this whole...

arsenal of nonsense they've thrown at this disease is. You know what's even worse than that, though? Kyrie Irving attended a basketball game courtside but couldn't play for his team. Right. How is that fucking possible? He attended a basketball game and got to watch it in the stands but couldn't fucking play on his team because he wasn't vaxxed? I mean... Make it make sense. That's all I'm saying. Make it make sense. You can't. He also was able to play on the road with his team. Eventually.

No, no. From the beginning. At the end, he was able to play at home. But they wouldn't let him play. No, not at home. No, he wouldn't play. Oh, right. But that was the team's decision. Yeah. But they changed. Science changed, I'm sure. What? Science changed. Not that science.

But no, at first he could not play or they wouldn't. They couldn't play at home. Yeah. Or in Canada. The rule was he couldn't play at home, but he could play on the road. But the team said, if we can't play one place, we don't want you anywhere. Then they changed and said, okay, you know what? We're not doing so good. Why don't you play on the road games? But at the same time, people who were not vaccinated on other teams could somehow play in his arena. I think Bradley Beal of the Wizards was not vaccinated and played

It was as stupid as it is to sit at a restaurant and take your mask off and then put it on when you stand up as if the virus only attacks you when you're standing. You got to put it back on in between bites. I've seen people do it. I have too. I swear to God, I've seen people. I have too. I've seen people have dinner. But you know what? Fuck it. It's your decision. That's what you want to do? Right. That's what makes you feel safe? Fucking go for it. Exactly. That's great.

yes just go for it but don't fucking put your shit on to me but especially like that's like i got to acquiesce to exactly what you want otherwise i'm endangering you that was the whole thing about me i'm endangering all these people i fucking tested every goddamn morning at at 6 45 in the morning to make sure everybody else felt safe in the building safe again this this fucking sort of

World of Imagineering that I have to live in with this safe. I hear this all the time safety ism It's just everywhere around me people who don't feel safe safe. I remember when the Dodgers won the 2020 series and then of course after you win you have to jump in a big pile because you guys are basically gays, you know, I mean, it's okay We all understand that you gotta jump in a big pile after you win and grope each other. It's fine. Um

And then Justin Turner, remember him? You know him? The red-headed, terrific third baseman for the Dodgers. Okay. He had tested positive. They found out like during the game or something. So he couldn't play in that game or was pulled or something. He jumps in the pile. And the media went apeshit about this for a full week.

And then we heard the tragic news a week later, Clayton Kershaw dead at 32. Oh no, that didn't happen. Nothing happened. Nothing fucking happened. That's what happened. Because again, these are fit, healthy, young people. They are not going to go

the way of the grave from COVID. Of course, anything could happen to anyone. There are always outliers. There's one in a million things. But the idea that we did not protect the vulnerable, specifically target them, you know, as they did more in some states, because even Bill Gates said, we found out later that this wasn't, he said, it wasn't that virulent a pathogen. And he said, um,

It was he compared it to the flu. He said it's somewhat different and it is somewhat different, but it basically targets the elderly like the flu does. So to freak out that Justin Turner or to have there are colleges that

These woke colleges that are out of their mind. We're talking about the people who are never going to die from this, 22-year-olds, 20-year-olds. And they are masking outside at my alma mater, Cornell. They have to wear masks outside. They get their meals, like, left at the door. They're masking at Berkeley this fall. Oh, I'm sure, Berkeley, of course. And this is all just, this is ideology. This is not medicine.

This is indoctrination. This is... And to me, the frightening thing was never the disease itself. The frightening thing was how much you could get people so quickly to change their way of life. Stay home, wear a mask, you know, don't touch... It was altruistic at first. It's like, all right, yeah, we'll take two weeks to flatten the curve, right? And then...

Just about every conspiracy theory came true. Vaccine mandates, vaccine passports. Right. And it turned into like away from doing your job to stop the spread to like lockdowns. And that's my whole problem.

You know, I grew up in a small town, very little cases up in Chico, California, but all the small businesses fucking gone. I mean, our favorite restaurants in L.A. and New York and across the country, not just in big cities. Some crazy percentage will never open again. Why? Absolutely. And what are we doing for them?

What are we doing for the small businesses? There was some PPE loans and stuff that people could file for. We passed out $6 trillion. And the sad fact about that is that a very big, big, big chunk of it was just flat out stolen. Yeah.

I mean, we spent more to keep people hiding under the bed than we did for World War II. World War II cost $4 trillion, and we passed out almost $6 trillion for this. I mean, wow. Talk about a country that's gone a little soft.

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I mean, we can pretend that only MDs know about medicine. It's a ridiculous pretension. It's not true. But let's pretend that because I don't want to have that fight this day. But just among MDs,

If we're just talking among MDs, they disagree with each other. There's thousands of MDs that you can read, see on Twitter, the ones who haven't been canceled or somehow shoved off it. You certainly won't see them on TV many times because they won't let them anywhere. They will let them on Fox News and then they get tagged as a conservative. No, they're not a conservative. They're a doctor. It's just that Fox News is the only place that will let them speak. So,

Why are your doctors, meaning Fauci's and those people, why are your doctors better than these doctors? There's thousands of doctors who signed that Barrington letter, which basically was, you know, reasonable, esteemed, knowledgeable, credited MDs who said... Published.

Published and practicing. And who said basic... And seen patients. Of course. Yes. And... Not like some of the people. Right. Who were bureaucrats. Yeah. Right. Yes. And they just basically said, look, lockdowns are... Look, of course, we had to like, at certain point, if the hospitals are being overrun, I agree. But...

If a hospital is being overrun, you have to take some kind of draconian measures. Not these necessarily, but yes. That didn't last that long, and at a certain point it was, what happened to herd immunity? We were told, oh, at a certain point, X number of people will get it, and then we can just forget about this whole thing. Well, that seemed to have come and gone, herd immunity, and we're still fucking freaking.

You know, they're still talking about now they want another booster for that's a hybrid of the Omicron. And I don't need it. You know, I had it. They made me get one. OK, I got one. I got that. Then I didn't get it for 14 months when I was unvaccinated. Somehow I got it like three weeks after I got vaccinated. OK, fine.

I'm not saying there's a causal there. What I'm saying is there could be. Might be. I don't know if you, I don't know. And you don't know either. You don't know. Certainly I've heard anecdotally a lot of people who say the same thing. Now, it also could be the case that because I had the vaccine, that when I then got COVID, it was almost imperceptible. I barely knew I had it. I lost my smell for a couple of days, had a little stuffy nose.

If there wasn't this paranoia about COVID, I would have just gone to work and said, well, I feel a little down. But Bill, the whole problem with the COVID thing is the only way they got to get emergency authorization use was if there was no other therapeutic options. And there were plenty of therapeutic options because many doctors were giving out doses of a lot of medicine that actually worked.

That was suppressed and canceled and kicked off of social media platforms. Demonized. Demonized. That's what it is. Yeah. Demonized ivermectin, which the creator, the guy that made it, won a fucking Nobel Prize. They've given out billions of doses. It worked in Japan. It worked in Uttar Pradesh. It worked in Mexico. But to mention it in the States, oh, you're a fucking conspiracy theorist taking horse dewormer. Horse, yes. It's like...

Yeah. Why is that? Well, I mean, to me, that speaks to the bankruptcy of the media because once they heard horse, they were like a writer's room at a comedy show. Oh, we got a premise now.

Oh, we can't. This is a hangout. Horse. Horse is fun. Anything with a horse is always going to be funny. Horse cock. Catherine the Great got fucked by a horse. Horses are just funny. So they were just going to like... So they just hit the... And I'm talking about like the serious people on MSNBC. You know, these very serious people. Horse. It's like, yes, horses use it. There's lots of medicines that cross over between... Lots of medicines that are animal and human... Yes.

Right. I was just taking ketamine yesterday. No. Good for you. One of those that is a tranquilizer, they say it's the thing that Bill Cosby used.

Bill Cosby got a... GHB, right? No, I don't think it's GHB. It could be. I don't know. Fact check. I don't know. But I thought it was ketamine, but I could be wrong about that, too. But I remember reading that Bill Cosby got himself a vet license, a veterinarian's license.

And I think it was so he could buy stuff that he was knocking women out with. It's awful. It is so awful. I mean, to think, when you ponder, like, how is the complexity of the human being that he could be this brilliant comedian and America's dad and, you know, so good at what, at his... Kids say the darndest things. Craft. Yeah. Yeah.

And then be this monster. But, I mean, that's why that guy wrote Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. You know, that's the human nature. What are your demons, Aaron Rodgers? Plant medicine, I guess, as far as where they want to cancel me on lately. You're fine. But, you know, how many people have OD on weed? Certainly none at my bathhouse. Yeah.

The other guys seem-- Plants are here-- plants can be used as medicine, just like diet can be used as medicine. All medicine-- Sweetheart, all medicine comes from plants. Do you know how they make antibiotics? How? They go into the jungle, which they're destroying, so we're not going to have antibiotics, which is horrible. Not that I like antibiotics. I hate them, but sometimes you need them. OK. They go into the jungle, and they find what kills what.

Isn't that fascinating? And then they synthesize those things. Because fungus, for example, is everywhere. Fungus could take over the world. When there's an earthquake, people die sometimes because the fungus comes up from the ground and it's very poisonous. There's nothing more antifungal acidic than a lemon.

But if you leave a lemon out for a week, it'll have fungus on it. That's how, and everybody has a fungal infection who's ever been on antibiotics because when you take antibiotics, you know this. I do. I know. See, this is the kind of stuff that is important to us that I think validates our view about this other stuff. But other people, I think, just don't want to, they just listen to what the doctor says, the guy in the white coat.

Because I've had this discussion with many people and they're surprised to hear that there's a downside to antibiotics. What? No, really. That to them is news. They just think antibiotics, great, I felt shitty and the doctor gave me antibiotics and it fixed that. They're a miracle. And they are a miracle.

Yeah, there's some great antibiotics. I had MRSA and I got antibiotics was great for me when I had MRSA. Well, they do the job they're supposed to do generally. The problem is they also kill a lot of things that are good. A lot of good stuff, yeah. And if you have to do a lot of them or do a lot of them or overdo them as we have done in society, you create a number of seriously deleterious health issues and problems. Well, unless we take it back and start using plant medicine.

But it's the same thing. No, it's not. What do you think? Synthetic compared to plant? No, but the origin is the plant. I get it, but plants aren't killing anybody because it's not just a plant that you take in a bottle. I take a Motrin to anti-inflamm, to take out the inflammation in my knee, but it's fucking with my liver.

You know, I take curcumin, which comes from turmeric. Right. I'm not fucking up my liver. Correct. I mean, that's my view. Well, if the government didn't say it, then it can't be true. But if you... Yeah, whenever they say misinformation, I always want to go, whose? Ours or yours? Yeah.

Because you had a lot. Or even the things that just people do that I just don't like. I see them with the hand sanitizer. Okay, talking about antibiotics. That's what that is. And when you put something on your skin, it absorbs into your body. Not at the level of, of course, if you drank it. But I don't want to put hand sanitizer there.

I don't want to put an antibiotic on my skin all day long. You need to live in an atmosphere of germs. It's actually... That's how you build your immune system. It's healthier. Yes. And of course, the reason... It seems rational and sensical, right? I'm telling you, some of this stuff, which, because it's important to us,

It's just mind-blowing to other people, only because, like you're saying, the media and the medical-industrial complex has a vest. Which it is. What? Which it is. It is a medical-industrial complex. Yes. They have a vested interest in basically making the competition, which would be turmeric as opposed to motrin. That's the competition. Pot was the competition to liquor.

I split the difference. CBD and anything. And we know the healing powers of CBD. You said you took antibiotics for your MRSA. Yeah. Okay. There's a perfect example. You didn't want to, you're not going to, garlic was not going to fix that.

Right? I feel good about taking the antibiotics, yeah. Exactly. It's a nuclear option. It's like if you really have to go there. That's why I'm saying I'm glad we have antibiotics. I am too, yeah. Just like I'm glad I have a gun. But I don't want to ever use it. Right. But if I have to, I will. If you get out of line. You're at Club Random. I got it right here. I got some too in Wisconsin. I'd hate to kill you right before the season. Right.

Come on, you must have some butterflies. You'd be on the field in a week on the old gridiron, tossing the old pigskin. Of course. You're not fucking human. The sports world wants robots. That's why I'm an anomaly, because I just fucking speak my mind. But they want robots for the most part. You're doing it so right. Do you know that they cover you on TMZ on a weekly basis? That means they're covering you like a celebrity.

And that's how they should. And that's where, I mean, you're not going to be able to play forever. No. Right. I mean, you know, there's a clock. You're not going to want to play forever. Really? It's going to be time to. You wouldn't want to if you could? No. Because the too onerous, the part of it that's like the six months of drudgery. Yeah, because there's just other things that I'm interested in. I enjoy doing, you know. Like football has been, has given me a ton of things. Yeah.

Unbelievable wealth, platform, opportunity, friendships, memories. But at some point, the ride ends, you know? And you've got to do something else. And winning. You know, I remember when the guy said, Sonny, our lives are so...

juxtaposed because your thing that you're great at comes early because you're an athlete. I didn't get politically incorrect until I was the age you are now. I was just starting. But like I said, I could go to 100 doing this. You should. Because it's the opposite, right? And you should. Right. Thank you. If not you, who? I mean, seriously. We need fucking voices of reason. And you've always been

Well, thank you. No, I'm not going anywhere. But what I'm getting to is that just the idea that you can be at the top of your game, that's when you can walk away because you're like, "I had this dream, I had this goal, I wanted to do this thing. I got to be the top of the game." In your case, it's like, "Oh, I've been the MVP two years in a row and before that, I won the Super Bowl.

you know, that makes it okay. I could walk away now. I don't want to, but good because I got to like, I wanted to perfect this thing that I can do. And I did. And now it's like fun to live in it and keep doing it. Yeah. But I could stop. Whereas if I had to do it before I got there, it would have gnawed at me for the rest of my life. And like, that's where you are. Yeah. And there's, and I guarantee you feel the same way. There's some part in us that,

When you reach a level of success where you don't want to go out a bum either, you know, you don't want to go out on the downturn, right? I'm still really good. I can still play. I don't want to be a washed up, you know,

hanging on type of guy. No, no. I'm a fucking competitor, you know? Right. And I know you're competitive too because you have to be, right? No, I think you, another thing we have in common is I think we both have a chip on our shoulder. Yours is from like they didn't, like you weren't drafted. I got a few, yeah. There's been a few over the years. But most, but they're good. Like mine is from like they won't like give me Emmys.

Or, you know, because, like, I don't... The woke doesn't like me because... Because the reason the fans like me is why the woke don't like me. So they are the ones who vote on that kind of shit. Like, I... Years ago, I stopped caring that much. Can you prod me and get me to care about it? Yes, if you're like, Bill, it's Emmy Day. And yes, like, you could, but it doesn't... I don't care, like, 364 days a year. But that's where mine comes from, is like, okay...

plainly a lot of people think that if we did by the criteria that I think would matter for like the voting on something like Courage Originality actually being funny. I think we would have won like 35 Emmys for sure. That's okay That's that's the if that's the cross to bear I have in life. It's a it's a light one as crosses go and

But that chip that it kind of puts on your shoulder, like I'm going to embarrass you for not giving it. Like it's not really on me anymore. You should be embarrassed. And I think you have the same fucking thing. Like you didn't draft me. I'm going to make you feel very, very bad about that. And you already have. I have. And I'm going to keep doing it. I'm going to keep doing it as long as I can.

But I'll tell you what, I guarantee you feel the same way. Like, as much as, you know, I won the MVP the last two years, so thankfully I've got enough votes to do that. But the most important opinions about my play is from my contemporaries, from the players I play against, from the coaches that coach against me. They know. They know. They know. They do. They know if you're going to prepare against us, it's going to be a fucking rough time. Of course. And they know.

I don't know who's winning Emmys in your category, but when you're talking about the dude that you would watch a show...

Right. If he was on and you had five options, it'd be fucking you. Thank you. But it's the truth. I know. Because your level of like... And it is... Your level of aptitude and intelligence and conversation is just so far... I don't even know who's in your fucking category. Well, let's... But like, if I'm going to listen... If I'm going to watch a show... Yeah, I know. I'm not going to fucking turn into like a late night show. I'm going to fucking watch...

Real time. And I'm not just bullshitting you. I know. I understand. I appreciate it. And I don't watch a lot of TV. I know. If I want to get a good conversation and here's somebody who knows how to fucking handle a conversation and be intelligent and be interesting...

But that's the only thing that matters. It's your contemporaries, not some random group of people. We know. We're in this area. Who votes on the fucking Academy Awards? How you got to get nominated for those type of things? Who you got to take out to dinner for those? Come on. We know how this town works. You've lived here a lot longer than I have, but I know. I've only been here for 10 years. Oh, I know. I know.

And I'm telling you, DMZ covers you like you're in show business, which you are. But see, here's one thing that always did bug me a little. When people talk about winning an award and they then compare it to, they compare it to, you want ice? I got some.

Yeah, I picked up that one earlier. It's like, no, I don't. They compare winning an award to winning a sports, you know, the Super Bowl. Right. And I'm like, stop doing that.

It's okay. It's okay that you are doing what you're doing, but don't make that comparison. Because when you win an award, you didn't win it. It's the opinion of like 10 people who got a tape of one show of each of the people who got nominated and who gets nominated. That's just another virtue signaling exercise. Exactly. Okay. And then, so it's like, it's an opinion.

If you remember Kanye West at the Grammys, or at the VMAs or whatever, when he went up on stage and said, "Taylor Swift, I'm gonna let you finish, but..." Yeah. Beyonce and the best video. Yeah. "I'm gonna let you finish, but Beyonce and the best..." Okay, that just showed. It's people's opinions. But it's not an opinion if you win the Super Bowl.

You actually beat the other team. That's why the ESPYs are the stupidest award show ever. Because we don't need an award show about sports. We have the actual winners. And now for best football team, yes, the...

The team that won the Super Bowl is the best football team. That's why we watch sports. Because it is... No more ESPYs. It's done now. ESPYs is done now. Is what? ESPYs is done. We're not doing it anymore after this. Don't I have a point? I'm with you, yeah. I have a point. Best MLB team. Who won the World Series? All right, write them in. Best hockey team. By the way, did I... Speaking of show business, did I dream this or...

Were you like trying to be the host of Jeopardy? I was. Why the fuck would you want to do that? I watched the show growing up. It's very nostalgic for me. I used to watch it with my grandparents. I love the show.

And they offered it up to... I was on it one time. I was Celebrity Jeopardy. Me too. Did you win? No. Why not? I was probably... It was the 90s. Were you up against Cheech? I remember the network got mad at the shirt I wore. I probably came right from a club. It was like a club shirt. I thought it was very inappropriate for the host of Politically Incorrect to be wearing...

No, I did not do well. I thought the buzzer was... I felt like I knew some answers, but I couldn't get... It's all timing. You've got to wait until that white light goes on. Whatever. Anyway, I wanted to... Yeah. Alex passed away, and I wanted to... I thought it made sense. I'm still an active player. I could film in the off-season. I love the show. I mean, I watched it religiously for years.

I gotta say, I think you could do better. I really do. I just gotta be your friend here right now and be like, there's a famous Mary Tyler Moore episode where Ted Baxter wants to host a game show and Lou Grant humiliates him. Ted, you want to be a quiz master?

Does that mean you want to be, Aaron, a quiz master? I've followed a legend before. I thought I could pull it off. Well, you could pull it off. That's what I'm saying. But the show is really geared to...

Middle America. It's geared to, well, first of all, I'm thrilled the show is on. It's one of the last vestiges of our quote-unquote culture that caters to a thinking mind. It's about knowing things. Knowing things is very out of fashion right now.

Kids don't know anything. I mean, they used to like know one thing. They don't know math. They don't know science. They don't know. They definitely don't know history. They certainly don't know civics, which is how government works. That's why we're in such trouble with our government. It's like the democracy is failing. And they're like, what's democracy? Like, well, we won't have the checks and balance. What's that mean? You know, how can you get people to learn about democracy? They don't know what the fuck it is.

So I'm glad Jeopardy exists because it is for those last few people on Earth who care about knowing shit. But you're still a quiz master. I mean, fuck. I mean, come on, man. You got the answers right in your hand. I get it. Okay, yeah. You got the answers. Yes. And so it's...

I don't see what the, for a guy who was like so jacked on the adrenaline of the ultimate challenge, I got to fucking freeze the safety and then hit this guy exactly in a postage stamp size square of a window with two seconds left in the game and this guy rushing at me. And now you're just going to be like, the capital of Bosnia is Bosnia.

It's like... That's your... I mean, come on, man. You're going to get the bends from, like, the challenges. I think you could do a little... You know, I saw you on TMZ wearing, like, the outfit from Nick Cage, Warren... What was that? Connor. Why, is that your favorite movie? No, but I love...

i'm a big fan of nick cage keanu reeves yeah yeah why not yeah i love movie stars yeah i was just watching top gun maverick yes amazing yeah i mean it's the militarism is not thrilling to me the the glorification of wasting jet fuel you know we're wasting a lot of jet fuel

I'm a guy who believes that we could cut the defense budget in half. No. How would we police the world then? You had me first. I thought you were serious. Right, exactly. And we still could, by the way, with half. Of course. We spend more than the...

2 through 25, don't we? Yes. Well, I don't know. Again, fact check. But we do spend more. Our defense budget is more than like the next 9 or 10 countries combined, many of which are allies. Yeah.

And when people say defense, what they really should be saying is defense contractor. That's who's getting all the money. And we are creating many times... Or neo and, you know, colonialism. What's this? Or colonialism. Imperialism. That's what it is. Well, I don't think... You think we're imperialist now? I mean, it doesn't look the same as it did maybe in the 1800s. Where are we being imperialistic? We're...

In every country surrounding Russia and how many countries around the world? Well, we're certainly not in every country surrounding Russia, but... Everyone but Ukraine. Well, we have troops in Germany, which is not border... NATO, every country that borders Russia other than Ukraine is NATO. Well, not in Asia. Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan...

Those countries are not NATO. Either are the Caspian countries, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Armenia. Those are not NATO. Yes. Look, I have made the case on my show that I think we should not have expanded NATO to their borders. A lot of people said that. But that goes back to the 40s. And when FDR passed away, there was something in place to...

To divide Germany a certain way that FDR had talked to Stalin and Churchill about. And then FDR passes away, Truman gets in office, drops a bomb, and the world gets destabilized from that point. Well, after World War II, yes, we did divide the world with the Soviet Union because otherwise...

Look, both sides were... But they went from an ally to an enemy. Of course, for good reason. They were a communist menace and a monolith. And they were headstrong to take over the world. Stalin wanted to take over the world. Communism wanted to take over the world. And communism, Reagan was right about one thing. It is evil.

Communism is a horrible system, and it imprisoned millions and millions of people and made their lives miserable. You mean it doesn't work? Probably does not work. Probably killed 100 million people. I mean... For sure. Yes, communism... And still does. Yes.

In China? But China, even China and Russia, the two monoliths of communism, finally gave up on it. Russia formally, I mean, China says they're still a communist country, but they're not. They're a capitalist country. That's why they're doing so well. They have a communist dictatorship government, but what they did was they...

lifted the economic strictures of communism. That's why China is a powerhouse today. But they kept the dictatorship part. And people said at the time, oh, they can't do that. You'll never be able to do that. You can't keep the dictatorship part. No, actually you can. You can buy off the people because the people became more middle class. They were doing well. They had a TV now and a car and air conditioning. And they were like, yeah, I can't speak freely, but you know what? I like the car. Make them happy. Keep them distracted.

It's not something that hasn't been done here, too. So your politics obviously are not very conservative. But I never thought they were. The reason why people say conservative is any time you get outside the box, including medically, you know, if I don't want to use hand sanitizer or I want to make up my own mind about how many boosters I want to get, zero.

Somehow that makes me a conservative. It doesn't make me a conservative. No. I mean, and look, I mean, I imagine you're... I was championed by the right, by my back status. And I'm like, I was getting weekly requests to go on Fox News. I'm like, I'm going to fucking go on Fox News. Like, I don't want to be part of any politics at all. Right, right.

I believe what I believe. Right. Most of it I based on my own personal version of common sense. And I don't believe in partisanship. The partisanship two-party system has fucking ruined this country. George Washington predicted that. Yeah. George Washington said we can never have parties that...

It's amazing how some people can be so foresighted and pressing. He foresaw that if we had parties, two parties, it would get to this point where they became the enemy. Russia's not the enemy anymore to Republicans. It used to be Russia was the greatest enemy in the world. Now it's the Democrats. And I'll tell you something else. It's interesting. I think there are so many more people who agree with us because...

You would not have won the MVP. No chance. Wait. If people really thought that your stance, I thought courageous stance, on let's call it medical independence, was so outrageous. If you had said I voted for Trump, I bet you you would not have won that MVP. I would not have. Right.

So it just says that what we believe about medicine is not that outrageous and not that uncommon because I think otherwise you never would have still got voted MVP. And that's what I found. The silent majority was so strong. Right. The first 48 hours, I felt...

Alone and low and abandoned. And then I... Fucking you emailed me. And then I emailed you and the sun shone again. The sun shone. It's okay, Aaron. I get it. And all was right in the world. But it's true. It's true. You can have certain opinions. Right. And not make it. Like agreeing, you know, voting for Trump. But... Right. And I... You can...

But I think there's a lot of people that believe that you should have your own decision-making on your own medical decisions. My thing is, I have an issue with the hypocrisy in society in general. I know you do as well. But abortion's been a hot topic, right? And especially after Roe v. Wade got overturned and sent back to the States or whatever. I don't believe the government should have any control over what we do with our bodies. No. So as much as I might...

be lean more pro-life, I don't want the government telling me I can't smoke a cigar, I can't have a drink of alcohol, I can't choose my own medical decisions, and if I'm a woman, don't fucking tell me what to do. Like, whether or not I agree with what you decide to do, who cares? And the government should not have a decision that infringes upon my own personal freedoms. I agree with all that. My thing is,

But just don't say to the pro-life people, you're doing it because you hate women, because that's what I hear all the time. You're doing it because you hate women. They don't hate women. They just think it's murder. And I get that. I personally don't, because I personally don't think life is always precious. I don't think people who are alive now necessarily are living a life that's precious. If you picture some guy who's on death row,

And he's committed horrendous crimes, grisly crimes, murdered his family, axe murdering children. Let me go on. Keep going. What else has he done? Sex with children. Just horrible, horrible things. Skull fucking. Okay. So now this guy's on death row, right? And he's in solitary. Right.

And he'll never get out. Is that life really precious? I mean, I don't... It just doesn't break my heart that we would have the death penalty for somebody like that. I think we're almost doing him a favor. You're just keeping something alive.

It's almost cruel. So I don't think life is, and the unborn, like, yeah, I get these people, like, it's murder. Yeah, it's undeniably becoming a life. That's why it's such a gray area. It's not a life, but it's undeniably would be. I just don't care. It's like, if you're not born, I'm sorry, we're not going to miss you. How could we? We never met you.

And you're not going to miss us because you didn't meet us. Right. You know? So, but I get their thing. I totally do. I think it's kind of like me with animals. You know, I'm a PETA person. I just, I just, it's just innate in me. I love animals. I can watch a movie where people are being horribly mistreated. It doesn't make me cry. I can't watch two seconds of, you know, Bambi, uh,

The Cove. I wouldn't even watch King Kong. Blackfish. No. I wouldn't even watch King Kong.

or Planet of the Apes, because it looks like animals are being hurt. Even the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park, I don't want to see hurt. I don't know, it's just innate. And I think it's like that with them with babies. They just have a thing with babies. I fucking hate babies. I mean, I would always help one if they were needed, unless I had to touch it. But they just have a thing with babies and they think it's murder. And they're like, just because you have a vagina, you can't commit murder.

That's their view. Okay. So I feel like this abortion thing has to begin with stop insulting them about that. Just accept this difference. I know people who I'm very friendly with and I know we are on the opposite sides on abortion. We just don't talk about it. I'm not going to convince you. You're not going to convince me.

And we're not going to have a baby together. So we don't really need to discuss it. We don't need to fucking discuss it, you know? But that's the problem with society. You can't have different opinions anymore.

Like you and I might have 50 topics we could talk about and half of them we might agree on 100%, half of them we might not. And that's fucking okay. It's totally okay. And it's actually great. It's good, exactly. It's fucking the best thing ever. Why would you want to surround yourself with a fucking echo chamber of people who just repeat, regurgitate the same shit back to you that you believe in? Where's the fun in that? But that's what social media has become. That's what our TV programs have become.

It's funny, that's what people have become because sometimes I will have a guest on, usually from the left,

who I generally agree, or certainly often less than I used to because they went crazier than they used to, but I didn't change. They got woke. Yeah, they got woke. But like, you know, a person who's like, and they will, I will think, oh, this was not such a good guess because they were just about talking points, like democratic talking points. It was predictable. It was boring. It was in the box.

And then I will hear from people over the weekend after the show airs that some agree with me. And then I will hear from other people who were like, the fact that it was boring, predictable, in the box and talking points is what they loved about it. That's what I hated. That's what they fucking loved. And that's what makes me go, oh.

This is a hard country to turn this battleship around in the river because that's what you're working with. People who just want to hear what they already know and what's in there. They just want to be reaffirmed in their echo chamber. They don't want to be challenged. What I find boring and just hateful, they find great.

And that's the other cross I have to bear. But, you know. How do you do it? But that's how I win all the Emmys. So how long are you going to be out here in your home state of? Let's see. I got about. Oh, you got right down to the minute. Yeah. Let me see here. 12 and 20 more hours.

Seriously? Yeah. I'm so flattered you came by, that you made time to do this. This was at the top of the list. You're a man of your word. Oh, thank you. You know, you reached out to me, and I don't think I told you the story, but you reached out to me, and I hit up my representation. I said, I just got this email from Bill Maher. Is he in the family?

And I said, will you just verify his email? Because this is fucking tripping me out. Because I told you, I texted you yesterday. I said, this is surreal for me because I have held you on this, in this esteem of like a voice of reason for so long. And I grew up in a very conservative household. Right. So like watching you would be.

Like, not okay. So, being a rebel in nature... Really? Yeah. Just watching me? Yeah, because you were a liberal for so long, right? I'm a liberal now. Yeah.

So for me, being a rebel, I was like, I'm going to fucking watch Bill Maher. I'm going to see what he's all about. And from the first time I watched your show, I was just always struck by your level of intelligence, and I respected that. Oh, finish your thought. Now go on. No, just how I always appreciate your point of view. And I've always been someone, even if I don't agree with you...

I can respect opinions if they're well thought out and intelligent. And that's what you've always been about. So for you to hit me up the way you did, it meant the absolute world to me. Oh, I'm so glad. And I was so awestruck. I was like, can you just verify I'm not getting fucking pranked here? This is actually Bill. Oh, yeah. So that's why I said, when I hit you up and I'm like, I'm going to be in L.A.,

You know, I'd love to come on if it works. These are the times I got available. This was at the top of the list. I appreciate it. I'm so glad you told me that because I didn't really even realize all that. And, you know, it's just nice on a personal level because I was doing it basically because I was thinking how, you know, I've always loved watching this guy play. But, like, here is a good voice and we need more voices.

To just, again, open a window and let a little fresh air in, in this room full of stale air about medical information and what we think we know and what is the science.

We need more people who are just saying, just keep an open mind. We're not anti-vaxxers. I'm not a... I never was. No. A vaccine is a medical intervention. It is a pharmaceutical product. Those are not dirty words to me. Every time you take any sort of medicine, it is a medical intervention. You're probably using a pharmaceutical product or a natural product, but even natural products can have very harmful effects. Totally. Herbs are strong. Okay. Okay.

But we make these decisions based on our best knowledge of what's going on in our body at the time. What's best for us. And it should be our decision of whatever. So to put vaccines in a much bigger picture than just the fucking monofocus people had on COVID and vaccine, it's like, okay, I look at health in general, and I think you did too. So I felt I saw on...

whatever the interview was or whatever got you in fucking trouble. I thought I saw, oh, there's a kindred spirit. Yes, there's a kindred spirit. And there's many of them out there. Again, it's just that people are so intimidated from speaking on this subject. Doctors are. They know they will be ostracized. They will be demon-sized. They can lose their license. I just told you, Gavin Newsom is thinking about signing a bill to criminalize, criminalize medical misinformation. Based on whose standard of misinformation? So,

Exactly. So, you know, to have an ally on this subject meant a lot to me. And it's great to find out now that there's personal connection, too. You got more than an ally now. You got a friend. I appreciate that. And, you know, not to make this a mutual dick-sucking contest, but I just have to say, as a football fan,

I mean, getting back to what I think I said, like, I don't know when we started. I can't remember what day this is now. But, like, all the entertainment you've given me. Because at the end of the day, we're both entertainers. Sports is for entertainment. I mean, many times I've said to myself, if I had never got hooked on football, watching football...

I generally don't watch. See, football's once a week. Well, no. It's four times. It used to be. And then it was like, when I was a kid, it was just Sunday. And then it was like, oh, you know what? Now it's Sunday night, Sunday afternoon, Sunday morning, Sunday afternoon, Sunday night, Monday night, Thursday night. Even in December, Saturday. Saturdays. Yes. With COVID, there were some Tuesday games. Right. Yeah.

Yes. Do you remember when Frank Gifford got caught cheating on Kathy Lee Gifford? Yeah. You do? I do. Frank Gifford, Al Michaels, Dan Deere. That was like the voices of my childhood. Monday Night Football. It was those three. Norm Crosby, I think it was, had the best joke. He said, Kathy Lee Gifford, the wife at the time, got very suspicious when somebody told her there was no such thing as Tuesday Night Football. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

But... We need comedy. We need comedy. We don't need censorship. We need comedy. I'm down with that, brother. We need comedy to lighten the load. But it is entertainment. Totally. What we both do is just entertainment. And I was going to say, you know, many of the time I've thought to myself, if I had never gotten started, how many hours in my life would I have back to have done something of merit,

of value other than sitting and watching you throw a fucking piece of leather, which is pointless. And yet, you know, it's... I can't wait for the season to start. I can't. And when I'm... You know, I have the NFL package, like all red-blooded American men. Do you like watching games or do you like watching the Red Zone channel? I mean, people with a penis...

The Red Zone channel, I can watch. It depends. See, here's the thing. Like I said... Well, the Giants are playing. You're watching the Giants. Of course. If the Jets are playing and the Giants aren't playing, you're watching the Jets? I...

Yes, the Jets. But I'll have one game going on in the bathroom, one on the TV. I'm walking back and forth. See, I get up when the games start. The games start early out here, and I don't get up early. You're a night owl. I'm a night owl. Come on, I'm a comedian. I live here at Club Random. Come on. I sleep right there in the VIP. No, so when I get up,

It's probably like halftime of the first game, which out here on the coast starts at 10 a.m. Yeah. Which is perfect. Good for you. Waking up at 11.30? Exactly. Yeah. Sounds like your day. Sometimes it's like right before the half I get to catch something exciting. Two minutes you're on the first half. Yeah. I see you scamper out of bounds. Yeah. I'm just getting the crusties out of my eyes, and there you are scampering out of bounds. Nice. Good for you, man. Yeah.

A little coffee? You're a coffee drinker? Yes. Yeah. Yes. I only have two meals a day, which I think is the right number of meals. Coffee and dinner? Coffee and heroin. It's...

Now, do you take the ayahuasca right before the game? I do. Or do you take a little more of that? Blacktar heroin the night before and then the ayahuasca. And at halftime, do you do a little ayahuasca? Yeah, a lot of blow. Did I read that story right? You do ayahuasca at halftime and that's why you had the best season. That's exactly what I thought. That's what happened. Anyway, so...

No, I usually see like the second half of the first game and then whatever the second game is. And Sunday Night Football? Yes. But you're not always on there. We are a couple times a year. Oh, yeah, exactly. No, you do very well there. That's why they cover you on TMZ.

No, seriously. What I'm saying is that, like, yes, of course the Giants will always get my loyalty first. Y.A. Tittle, I think, was the quarterback. I mean, that's how far we go back. I think it was Y.A. Tittle. We're talking about, like, 1962 or something. This is after he was with the Niners? And then, of course, yes. That famous picture of him. Yes, the bloody one. Yeah, it's amazing. Iconic, right? And then Fran Tarkington. Mm-hmm.

Marty Glickman, I can still hear his voice. And I've gone down there, off to the right, Tucker Ferber's been off for two yards. They were not very good, so anything was very exciting to them. And then Phil Simms and Jeff Hostetler. Jeff Hostetler. I forgot about him. He played in the Super Bowl, right? When Otis Anderson, didn't he

No, no, I guess it was Phil, huh? Yeah, no, it could have been. When Otis Anderson won the MVP, was Hostile the quarterback or was Sims the quarterback? You're the football player. I'm a lover, not a fighter, Aaron. And you're an Eli fan, obviously? Of course. The two times they beat the Patriots, of course I love that because, oh, let's not even go into it, but I did. David Tyree with the football, I mean, come on. Plaxco Burris?

Plexiglas Burris. Got the game-winning touchdown? Yeah, and then shot himself in the leg. Yeah, accidentally. Accidentally, but still it shouldn't happen.

Come on. You know what? Oh, New York sports. Maybe it's like this everywhere and it just gets played more in New York. But it seems like our players do just some incredibly boneheaded things. Like over the years, you would think that New York, I mean, look at the Giants now. I mean, honestly, are you afraid of the Giants this year?

No. Well, they got a new coach, right? Somewhat. It's not about the coach, is it? I'm a Saquon fan, though. I am a big Saquon fan. It's never happened. We'll see. It might happen. We play him in London this year. We're playing at Tottenham Stadium. What? Against the Giants.

You're playing the Giants in London? In Tottenham, yeah. I'm so not going. You should. That would be perfect. It's the first time Green Bay is in London. Oh. Or in England, I guess. I don't know if Tottenham is in London. Can you get me good seats? Yeah. No, I can't go to London. I'll get you in the box. I don't want to be in the box. Why? They've got 1942 up there. You can smoke your weed up there probably. You'll be fine. Probably, definitely. But I went to a Super Bowl.

after the one I took my father to, which was the nosebleed seats. I still have... You went to the 87 Super Bowl? Yes. Well, it was the year they beat the... 86? Yes. 88? I think it was 86. I think the season was 85 and the Super Bowl was January of 86. No, that was the Bears. 85 was Bears. Okay, then it was the next year. 86, 87? It must have been. I think it was 88, 89.

No, that was Niners, Niners. So it must have been 86, 87. Okay, so I still have the... They gave you a little cushion.

Because the seats, it was the Rose Bowl. And the seats were like hard and wood. And I still have it for that Super Bowl. Where is it at? It's not in Club Random, is it? No, no, no, no, no. It's in a special place? Yes. I rubbed on it at night and masturbated. No. Was that too personal? Anyway, you said we were friends. No, but I went to this other Super Bowl. I think it was 99. Again, it was fucking John Elway. See?

I can't lose this guy. Against the Falcons? Yes. Yeah. Okay. So it was in a box, you know, by then. In San Diego? No. No, it was in Miami. Okay.

You know, it was like, you know, by then I was on TV. Big time, yeah. I wouldn't say big time, but big enough to, like, get invited. You know, there was somebody's plane was going, and I took a girl. And, you know, it was a whole thing. Yeah, that's good. And, like, we were in the box. It was a party. I didn't see any of the game. I want to see the game. You see the game better on TV. I mean, you actually...

I mean, I don't need the announcers, but I like to see the game. I do like the game. Do you like the announcers, some of them? Who do you like? You know...

I don't think any of them should be hosting Jeopardy, but I mean, they're okay. I mean, I used to like, who do I, well, Bob Costas is the best, but he doesn't do football. No. But he's a good friend. He got phased out. But there is a guy who is just like, he brings a level of sophistication and wit and elocution to sports. Yep. That is very uncommon. Totally. I mean, Brian Gumbel is a brilliant sports analyst too. I mean, his show is brilliant. So who non-HBO do you like?

Ah, good point. It did sound like I was kissing some corporate ass. Isn't Bob on HBO now? Yeah, he is. Back on the record. And Brian's obviously real sports on HBO. Okay. Do you have to put real in front of every show on HBO? I'm going to kick you out of Club Random, so you're never going to get in that VIP room. No, I like, well, I mean, oh gosh. I don't want to name names and say I don't like this guy. I mean, you know, I mean.

Al Michaels is great. I happen to know he's a very strong conservative. Is he really? Al Michaels. I didn't know that. I think he would do this. I should have him here, shouldn't I? You should. I should. He's got a classic voice. Yes. Interesting guy. And been doing it for... He's called everything from... He called The Miracle on Ice in 1980. 80? Yeah. Oh, yeah. He was a lot of fun in production meetings. I'm a big Al fan.

What do you mean, production meeting? So the day before the game, most of the time, they've kind of changed now with COVID and stuff, but you go to the hotel and meet with a... So if we're playing Sunday Night Football, it was Al and Chris Collinsworth and Michelle Tafoya. It'd be those three in a room and Fred Godelli, who's the producer, and some of the other... But you're not filming it? No, no, no. It would just be like they would ask questions to you, information to use during the telecast. From you directly? Mm-hmm.

It's like we go to Minnesota. If it was on Sunday Football, it would be Al and Chris and Michelle and Fred in a room. And you, how long did this? Like 30 minutes. And what were the questions like? Just to be talking about different things, different players. Give me something on this player. Give me something on this player. Hey, what about this? And then on the... And then they would use the information on the telecast. But would they attribute it to you when they used it? Sometimes, yeah. Oh, we talked to Aaron yesterday and he said, you know, this or whatever. About this guy. You know, he's a big fan. You know, he loves...

David Bakhtiari said, you know, this is about Dave and you can trust him, whatever it might be. Do you ever want to like punk them? Sometimes, yeah. A few of them. Because there's some great ones and there's some not so good ones. I loved Aikman and Buck. So they were the number one on the Fox crew. So NFC does Fox. Joe Buck. I think he's fantastic. A lot of people hate him.

Joe Buck? Yeah. Hate him? Why? What's to hate? No, no, no. I'm glad you mentioned him. I'm a big Joe Buck fan. I'm a huge Joe Buck fan. And Aikman is one of the best in the business. Yes, and he's good too. And now they're both on ESPN. Finally, ESPN finally has a good crew. Why do people hate Joe Buck? I have no idea. That is so America right now. We're so full of hate that they even hate...

like people who are nothing to hate about. Joe is great. I understand why they hate me. He's great at his job. Why do they hate you? Because I'm controversial because I say a million things. That's why they hate me too. If you're controversial, they hate you. Okay, so I understand why they hate us. But why hate Joe Buck? He's like the host of Jeopardy. He's just reading the card. Every team thinks that Joe hates their team. Packers fans think Joe doesn't like the Packers.

I'm like, why? Joe's a great dude. He's a friend. And he's fucking great at what he does. He likes the game and he calls it... He's also a guy who... He's very much in the Costas realm. He's erudite. You know, you get the feeling you're watching not some jock or just some dumb guy. And by the way, Tony Romo carved out an amazing place for himself. He did. You know? I mean, a guy who had...

You know, he never became Aaron Rodgers. A very, very, it just, that shows like how difficult this thing is because it was a dedicated, dedicated, amazing football player, quarterback, and still can't get to that level. I mean, but for him, that was such a great move. He got to that level as an announcer. Yeah. You know.

You never? There's a lot of bad announcers, though. I was watching college football last night just briefly, and I was like, "These dudes know nothing about the game." Really? See, I don't watch anything college. My view on college is, I will watch you when you get to the pros.

Seriously, I've never watched anything college. Really? I don't know anything about college sports. I don't want to know anything about it. You don't watch March Madness or anything? Fuck no. No. Not basketball, not football. Is there even college baseball? I guess. I don't care. World Series. It's like when you get to the pros, then you will be worthy of my attention. Right.

love it as a sports viewer that's but not while you are in your apprenticeship yeah did you come out to watch me you're drawing a hard line man fuck i'm not gonna walk you till you get paid to do what you do exactly yeah did you come watch me my time you come watch me at the improv yeah no you let me work out do you tour do you do any comedy tour where do you go everywhere you don't go to green bay

We got a couple of good venues. It's amazing. Maybe not as big for a big time like you. But I go to Milwaukee. Where? You haven't been to the Pfizer Forum. I bet you I have. How big is it? 17,000. Oh, no, that's too big for me. No, it wouldn't be too big for you. Yes. We could book you in a heartbeat. Who wouldn't know? You just got to know somebody who's like a minority owner of the Milwaukee Bucks to help you out. Is that you? Me. You're a minority owner of the Milwaukee Bucks? I am. Look, we're both minority owners. I know.

Wow, I never knew that. I love basketball. I mean, that was my first love. And one of the majority owners, Wes Eden, is a good friend and a great, great dude. New York guy. And they're the champs. Yeah, we should have won last year. Our second best player got hurt. You're not the champs. No, Warriors are the champs. But I'm a big Steph fan. I like Steph. Oh, me too. Apropos of our discussion about award shows and MVPs, I remember when there were

playing the, I guess it was, well, it was some LeBron James team. It's like five or six years ago. And I remember Steph was the MVP. And they were saying, the announcers were talking about it, and one of them says like, yeah, you know, that looks good for the Warriors. They got the MVP. And the other guy says, yeah, but you know, the

Was it the Cavaliers they played? Probably. Okay. Yep. But I think we all agree they've got the best player on the planet. Absolutely. I'm like, okay, wait, you're all agreeing that one team has the MVP and the other team has the best player on the planet. How can that be? How can we square this circle? Shouldn't that be the same person? Should be.

Okay. That's my point about it's just an opinion. It is an opinion. Just like medicine. But I'm thankful for all those opinions the last two years. Yeah, but yours are from the players, aren't they? No, it's from 50 writers. Oh, right, right, writers. Like, people can be these... They can just be assholes. Totally. Yes, it's happened before with other people who were like...

Almost unanimous choices. And some guy just makes a decision. I don't like this guy for whatever fucking reason. Yeah. That's what happened last year with me. The guy in Chicago didn't like me, so he didn't vote for me. And he said it before the vote. Well, see, that could have been COVID stuff. It was. It probably was. Again, the fact that you still won it indicates to me that...

We overestimate how much people are in the bubble on this. They actually do have a yearning. But that's about almost every issue, right? Think about the most hot-button issues. Most of those issues are fractions of the population. But they're highlighted because they're the most divisive. Of course. Are they not? But everything becomes divisive. That's the thing. Like, they raided Trump's Mar-a-Lago house to get classified documents he stole. Now...

Twenty years ago, there would be no controversy here. Everybody would be on the side of, "Well, you can't steal classified documents, and just leave them out where you put your golf clubs." Like, this would not be a controversy.

Now it is because it's Trump. So like immediately half the country went to, how dare you go into his home where his golf clubs are. Right. And take stuff he stole that was plainly not his to take. And the other side is like, we got him now, Trump. String him up. And in past times, we would have all just been on the page of, yeah, people can't act like Trump acts.

You just can't act like that, especially when you're president. You know, you can have any beliefs you want. You can be a big ass hole you want, but you can't do kind of things. You can't like not concede elections. You're lost. You know, be a man. It's down to that level. That's what I always want to say to the Trump people. And I'm a big proponent of you can hate Trump, but not the people who voted for him. It's half the country. But I do want to say to them,

You guys, you think you're the big macho types, make America great again, and you're the tough people. Losing. It happens. You know that, too. You can't win every game. No. Every season. And I'm sure it hurts like fuck. Yeah. But you know what? You take it like a man. You don't go, we won that game. That's what Donald Trump does. We won that game. You didn't. You lost it. It happens. You lose sometimes. Be a fucking man and just...

own up like every other president has ever done. Everybody else who ever lost an election was just man enough to say, I fucking lost. I'll try next time. Good luck with the job. That's where America always was. That to me is the crux of why we're in a fucked up place. How does it change? I don't know. What happens? The Democrats put up Biden again and expect him to win? Oh, he could. He definitely could.

I'm not a huge fan, but I'm not against him. And he did an important thing in winning an election that if it went to Trump, we would be in a much worse place. Has he stuck the landing on everything, Uncle Joe? No. Are there going to be some senior moments? Oh, yes. He's going to show up without pants on somewhere. I hope so. I mean, this is just... Just keep them on bicycles. Okay. Can we just keep them on bicycles? Whose decision was that?

Come on. I know, but compared to like, okay, he fell off a bicycle compared to taking sides with Putin against our intelligence agencies. I mean, please.

The other guy took sides with the Russian dude. Okay? Yeah. All right. I'm a rational thinker. I understand. I'm not on one side or the other. I'm just like... I'm laughing at both sides. Okay. Well, I am too, but I'm definitely more on the side of the people who don't side with Putin. Like, that's a worse offense to me than anything the woke are doing. And I fucking hate the woke from my balls. I mean, like... I know you do. That's what I love about you. The Republicans are actually...

more dangerous and there's certainly more I can't say the word anymore, but it begins with our we're not allowed to say that word which is why which is why I hate the woke because we need that word desperately because the country is Okay, so what the Republicans are actually more dangerous But the Democrats and the look the woke side are so much more obnoxious like the the level of hate that

that they engender in me with the kind of shit that they do is like... Why would they not think to move to the middle, though? They would get everybody on their side. I tell them that every week. I tell them that every week. You go into the far left, everybody hates you even more. Right. If you just would shed this skin, this woke skin of pregnant men and, you know, let's make crime legal. You know, whatever nonsense they're in, math is racist,

All that shit. It would be so easy to just leave that and they would win every election. Win every election? Yeah. In a landslide. But it's just not where we are. Look, at a time in my life where, like, I kind of am playing with the house money. Good for you. Yeah. You should. You've earned it. Because, I mean, 66 is usually an age, people retire at 65. You know, that's like the normal American. So, like...

I mean, I never watched what I say. I think we know that. But like even more now, like what do you, okay, could I get people to say to me, it's so ridiculous. You're uncancellable. No one is uncancellable. We're all so cancelable, like in two seconds. I mean, one reason to host Jeopardy, if we're going to have that discussion, would be it's very safe. Yeah.

Like, it's not a thing that's going to get you canceled. Right. But again, it'll be like throwing a pass to a guy and there's nobody else on the field. He's going to catch it. But is it really that much fun? Well, then what should I do? Put it in between tight coverage. Okay? Yes. Make sure when he turns around, the ball is there. He knows it's going to be there and you know it's going to be there. That's the love of your life with that guy. I heard you and...

Who's your boyfriend who's on the other team now? Devante. Yes. I was like, get a room. You too. I love him. He's a great dude. I love... He's a fucking great player. He's the man. Can I say, I really feel like if all of America could be as racially in sync as you players are, a lot of this country would be healed. We have so much...

racial stuff going on. Some of it, of course, still... That's why it's hard to relate in the locker room because we're 70% black, I would say, in our sport. It might even be low. Correct, yes. But it's just dudes. It's just the homies. It's just like our guys. Right. And there's... I mean, maybe, I don't know, there might be a few guys in a league that grew up super fucked up and have weird...

You know like and it's both sides like white dude or black dude who might like hate the other side But like I don't I've never I've been in league 18 years and never felt it one time from any player nothing but just like love and camaraderie and friendship and brotherhood That this is such an important message that this can happen in America Yeah, and and it's I'm so glad to hear you say that because that's what from the outside is

That's what I was gleaning. But now I have confirmation.

But that's because, like, I mean, like, I've heard you talk to the way you talk about Devante and he talks about you. And it is so genuine and so very loving. And, again, this comes from, obviously, there are things on that field that transcend race. We're both on this team trying to be those motherfuckers. Yeah. And we're, I mean, the pain endurance. I feel like a lot of football is just a war of attrition about pain. It is. Yeah. Right. Right.

So you're in a war of attrition about pain with this guy. It's like the army almost. It brings you together. Right. Because you're both experiencing the same thing. And transcends race. Yeah. Man, if we could find a way to do that for society. But I think I really do think one of the core tenets of that is celebration. Because literally I celebrate him living his best life. And for him that was...

moving closer to the West Coast and going to Las Vegas. And as much as it sucked because I love him and he's a fucking great player. Great. Like, what am I going to do? Stand in this guy's way and tell my team to not fucking trade this guy? Exactly. No, this is my homie. That's my guy. It's like sometimes when you're in my business, you lose a writer. Yeah. And, you know, when I was starting out,

When I was your age, like I was, oh, this writer left. And then I realized, of course, because they have careers too. Don't be mad. Yeah. Like they got to fly. Yeah. They got to, they don't want to just be writing for me. They want to have their own thing or, and then you just are happy for them. Yeah. But it's hard because there's jealousy and envy and bitterness. Well, it's going to be really hard if the Raiders beat you. And entitlement. Beat you this year. Well, we're not playing them, so we're fine. Oh, you're not? Yeah. Well, you could in the Super Bowl.

Yeah. Can you imagine? If they get there, we'll probably be there. Yes. I hope so. If it's not the Giants, I would want it to be you. Thank you. That's the highest compliment I can give to an athlete. I appreciate that. What about the Jets? What? Jets, Giants, Jets, and then us.

Where's the hierarchy right now? I can throw the Jets under the bus. Okay. I was not watching the Jets on my father's knee. Okay. Did they exist in 1962? I don't know. Yeah, I think so. Because they were in Super Bowl in 67. Nine. Nine? Yeah, absolutely nine. Okay. That was the Joe Namath year. Great year. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, you mean because the sex act that everyone laughs about but no one ever actually does? Like, whenever somebody's 69, I'm like, but do you do it? No. No, of course not. It's like the Betamax of fucking sex acts. Everyone tried it, and it just doesn't work. Am I wrong? Why is that? Why is that? Because I think there's just too much going on. Yeah.

There's some other smells and locations close by. Is that the problem or is it something else? I mean, I haven't tried it since like 1985. But my memory of it is that it sucked. You gotta do it once though. You have to, of course. And you think it's going to be great. And then something about it. But it's great afterwards. Maybe not in the moment, but afterwards it's great. I think it's good for Cirque du Soleil. I don't know.

Anyway, so what else are you doing this year? You're literally leaving in... What is your Mickey Mouse watch? This is not a Mickey Mouse. This is a Zenith watch. Let's see. I'm looking at your clock. I'm leaving at... Let's see. You got a plane tonight? No, no. 19 hours and 15 minutes. It's like you're in the military. You're going to be back on the base. Yeah, that's what NFL life, man. It's...

But it's Sunday Labor Day tomorrow. You just got to be back. We work on Labor Day. We don't celebrate holidays. We work on Thanksgiving. We work on Halloween. We work on Christmas. We play on Christmas again this year in Miami. It'll be beautiful this time of year. Maybe we should go. So you've got the whole schedule in your head already. I've got some of them. The important ones. We play the Bears week two at home, Sunday night football. I'm sure you'll be watching that. We play in London week five.

We play in Christmas against the Dolphins in Miami. Great time. I got a box. You should come. You're invited. Miami? Yeah. That could happen. Beautiful in December in Miami. You'd love it. There's great clubs down there. That could happen. Oh, I know Miami very well. I bet you do. I'll bet you do, player.

But what I was going to say to you before about Sunday, like when I wake up, I never finish this, halftime of the first game, whatever game, if it's not the Giants, I watch you. Because like I said at the beginning of this, whenever we started, what day that was, before we took this ayahuasca. Like football, if you don't have two very good quarterbacks,

It's soccer. It's just not good. I don't care about Barry whatever. I don't want to watch a running back like pound it.

50 times a game. That's not entertaining. I'm in it for the entertainment. That's how my coach sometimes. They didn't come here to see me hand off. They came here to see me through the ball. Exactly. And if you score and then you're ahead and then the other guy is good enough to score on you, this is what gets our dicks hard as fans. We're just looking to kill time till we die. That's all life is, okay? There's no fucking man in the sky. And

This is one of the ways I've chosen to kill time. Could I do it more elegantly? Could I have been writing plays with all that time I've spent writing? Probably. I could have. And they probably would have sucked. No, I don't think so. Well, I don't know. I'm not a play writer. But maybe I could have been if I spent that time. But who cares? I'll be dead and it won't matter. What I want to know is what am I going to do this Sunday that's going to be interesting for now? Because I only live in the present. I'm going to watch the football. Okay? So I want to see...

Two good quarterbacks. And it doesn't happen that often. And you are one of the guys who let me have that pleasure. Well, who else do you like watching? Whoever's good. You have to have one of those elite quarterbacks. Well, who are those people to you? This is your field. I mean, name the quarterbacks. Obviously, Tom, Cruz, I mean, Brady, whoever. What about Matt Stafford? I think they're the same person. Matt Stafford? Matt Stafford.

Yeah, I guess when he got with the... Look, there are certain ones who are like always going to be entertaining. You're in that category. There are... Pat Mahomes. Pat Mahomes. You like Pat Mahomes? Yes.

Chargers got a good guy, Justin Herbert. Yes. Oh, and the Ravens. Lamar Jackson. Absolutely. Yeah, super. There are guys. And then there's another level who, like, yeah, on their good day, Ryan Tannehill can...

I don't know why you were leading me into this thing. I didn't lead you into Ryan Daniel. I like Ryan Daniel. You're leading me into an area that's much more dangerous for you than me, which is rating your competitors and then they'll get mad at you. Oh, I love you for that. I love that you don't care. Exactly. Can't you tell me for an opinion about a fellow quarterback? You're the MVP. Fuck them. Yeah.

Okay, then. There's a few great ones and there's some good ones and then there's a lower tier. So like on a good day, and I'm not picking on Ryan Tannehill. I remember when they were on Hard Knocks and thinking, boy, Mrs. Tannehill is very attractive. Do you remember that year? I don't know if he's still married. Ryan's a great guy. His wife's very pretty. Oh, you've met Mrs. Tannehill. Yeah.

See, now that would be a good thing to say in that meeting with the network twinks the day before. What's some information we don't have about the dolphins, Aaron? Well, I fucked Ryan Tannehill's wife, and I think there's going to be a little extra effort here on our front line to keep me protected this week. Just throw that in, just as a joke. No.

But she was very attractive. Okay. Now, the question is, would you, if they, now, I can't believe the Packers would not have to take this to you personally, giving your position on the Packers. If they came to you and said, all right, next season, HBO wants to do Hard Knocks training camp with the Green Bay Packers. Would you think that was a good thing? No. You would veto it? Veto. Exactly. That would be my position too. Veto. Has that happened?

Have they asked you? I heard they were interested a couple times, but our GM never wanted to do it. Right. Why would you want to... I always feel like, you know, if you guys are serious about your season, I don't think you'd be doing this. Right? I mean, usually it's teams that are kind of at the bottom, and they've kind of worked it in a deal where there's like five or six teams that they can choose from that don't really have a choice, but...

I like real, authentic interactions and conversations. That's why you're here at Club Random. And not with 20 cameras around. Exactly. Now, I will say this. I could go to sleep and live a happy life every day having Liev Schreiber narrate my life. Love him. I agree.

I mean, I used to watch 24-7 just to hear his voice. It's so funny. I feel the same way. I was in line at the Oscars. I went to Oscars one year. And I was in line, and I heard his voice. And I was like, oh, my God. That's Lief Schreiber. I was like, where is he at? And I just, like, eavesdropped his conversation. Oh, my God. That's his voice.

It's incredible. That is a high compliment that we're both giving him. Yeah. That we would watch a show for the voiceover guy. 24-7 was amazing when Mayweather, Pacquiao, and whoever was doing it. It was fucking way better just leaf narrating. Other than that, I must say, and this is HBO, and I love HBO, but it is kind of the same show every year. Yeah.

We get to training camp. And here's this guy who's interesting, and this guy's over the top, and this guy had a rough time, and this coach is silly. And it's going to be hard to cut. There's always that coming into the office. Hey, you did everything right. You're great. If any opportunity comes up, we'll try to help you out. You're a great football player. Keep working at it. You're fired. Get out. Hit the road. Hit the road.

Yeah. Our budget will be going to Aaron Rodgers this year. Yeah. But leave Schreiber saying that shit? Leave Schreiber. I'm watching it. Yeah. No. So you would be... Good. Yeah. Excellent choice. All right. Well, listen, I know you have to get back to base. Buddy, thank you. This has meant a lot to me. I could sit here all night and get fucking high with you. You're great. And thanks for all the entertainment. Seriously. That's...

At least one more year to come. My main message. Yeah. Well, I'll be rooting for you second. Or third.

I will fucking put the Jets under the bus for you. There we go. Right. Me and Kato are going to be there. You know what? Let's go, Kato. If you get into the Super Bowl, I will come with Kato. You and Kato in the box. I used to be very close to Kato. Really? I still love him. He's the most lovable guy in the world. Yeah. You know, he got into a bad situation being in O.J. Simpson's guest house. Yeah, let's wrap it up with another football reference. O.J. Simpson. Oh, shit.

Of all the guest houses to be in. Right. And, you know, he got just caught in a thing. He's the sweetest guy. He's a nice guy. And he just loves Wisconsin and the Packers. And if you get into the Super Bowl this year, I'm like the little kid with Babe Ruth. Hit me a homer, babe. It's not far. It's in Arizona. I got cancer. Hit me a homer.

For a big-timer like you, just a short little... Okay, where? Short little flight to Arizona. Oh, that's where the Super Bowl is? Yeah. Well, you really know the future of where you're going, don't you? Manifestation, right? You've got to speak into existence. Right. All right. Well, listen, a little ayahuasca at halftime. We'll do that next offseason. A little Viagra. Your brain will get hard. Viagra, yeah, that's good. Get the dilation of the blood flows. All right.

I'm going to let you go because I feel like you have better things to do. I don't. Not better than this. I appreciate that. Thanks, buddy.