Kyrie Tears ACL, SGA Delivers Another 50-Burger & Durant Trade Destinations
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Sweet world! And welcome to the No Dunks Podcast on The Athletic Network. It's Tuesday, March 4th, 2025. I'm J.E. Skeets, here in the Classic Factory, despite our neon sign not working. And alongside me, it's the bearded one, my top shot hot boy, Trey Kirby. Hey-o! And over yonder, making the magic happen, super producer J.D. Hello. There he is. And still paying off his pick'em loss from last month.

Heavy is the head that wears the throne. It's Tass Mellis. I got a footstool today. I feel quite, quite extravagant right now. I mean, look at me. This is ridiculous. I don't know if I complained about my legs being sore, but somebody felt the need to put in a footstool here in the bathroom. So not an official, uh,

Potty squatty or squatty potty or whatever the heck it's called. Just a regular old stool. Yes, I guess so. It does feel better. I guess it will help for the potential hemorrhoids. It takes a little pressure off the buttocks. So I've got somewhere to put my feet. It does look hilarious. I do recommend. I've never actually used one at home, but apparently it does help for exactly what that cold open was talking about. Right, right.

The way things come out of you. Man, we just had a cold open about the way states look like feces. How fitting. Yeah, we're having quite the week here. JD's having way too much fun today. I'm telling you right now. Yeah, yes. So podcast listeners might want to check out the YouTube stream once again. Hit the like button, subscribe, and podcast listeners, leave us a five-star rating and review. Yeah, you didn't get to see this yesterday. I saw it.

I was going to miss seeing this with my eyeballs. True, true. But now you're like, you're in it.

Yeah, but I won't be in that bathroom. I heard there's a camera in there now. Yeah, that's true. It's very dangerous. It might be illegal. I'm not sure. Has anybody used this bathroom in the last 24 hours since we last recorded, JD? I don't think so. Yeah, we've had a few, like, I don't know, YouTube accidents where suddenly the stream goes live for whatever reason. Oh, yeah. You've got to be careful around here. Whoa. Yeah.

Holy moly. Okay, let's get into some basketball talk a little bit later in this show. We'll break down some potential Kevin Durant trade destinations here from the guys where they think he might land this offseason. But some games last night. We've got to start with some very unfortunate news. Kyrie Irving suffering a left knee sprain last night. He did shoot free throws for the Mavs. He had tears rolling down his cheeks before leaving the floor in obvious pain late in the first quarter.

He banged his knee as he was driving to the rim, and then that sort of left leg buckled, right? And hyperextended, I guess, better way to put it, and didn't look good. TK, he remained down on the floor. Like I said, hit the free throws. But my God, this nightmare season for the Dallas Mavericks continues. Yeah, super bummer for the Mavericks. Kyrie has been playing awesome since the Luka Doncic trade. I mentioned last week that he's been a really good leader for this team, saying all the right stuff about everything that happened.

And just looked like a nasty injury. Looked like it could have been an injury on his right leg. Like you're saying, he kind of like hits knees with Valanchunas, steps on his foot as well. And then whatever happens to his knee, I guess they're calling it a knee sprain. Today, we'll probably hear some further information about it. But the Mavs are obviously in trouble here. You know, it was a common trade deadline take that if something were to happen to Kyrie Irving, the Mavs...

wouldn't really have a backup creator behind him so i guess it's spencer dinwiddie because jayden hardy went out with a sprained ankle in this one as well other than that like brandon williams is around max christie maybe steps up jason kidd perhaps gets a special dispensation to just move the ball around out on the perimeter they don't got creators you can win games in the regular season playing a very small lineup we saw the rockets do that years ago when they had westbrook

basically playing center. But you got to have creators to be able to pull it off. And right now, the Mavericks aren't going to have any creators. And the timing of it's really bad too. Like they're in a play-in, play-off race right now.

That seems like it's going to be going by the wayside, though they got a little bit of a cushion on the 11th seeded Suns who aren't winning any games. No, I guess it maybe it's 11th seeded Blazers. Now, I don't know. I don't actually remember. Still the Suns, still the Suns for the time being. It's close. Yeah, Mavs might stick in 10th, which I guess is beneficial for them at least get a

play in game, but being so late in the season happening in March here, it puts next year in jeopardy for Kyrie Irving as well, depending on what the diagnosis ends up being. Yeah, that's right. Tass, I mean, we're waiting on the severity. We're waiting on the news of how bad this is, but you saw it. It didn't look good. I mean, he couldn't put any pressure on it. Like was down for a long time. Like I said, then he,

You know, he decides to shoot the free throws because if you're ever going to come back in that game somehow, you have to shoot those free throws. You can't just leave the floor. Reminiscent of the late Kobe Bryant, no doubt, when he hit, I guess, two game-tying foul shots for the Lakers way back in 2013 after he tore his Achilles tendon late in the fourth quarter of that game. But yeah, what's your takeaway here, Tass? Besides, obviously, this just being brutal news for Dallas Mavericks fans.

This was Kyrie's team. This was his baby. It was on his shoulders to make this team fight or fly. I mean, it was on him. And I'm sure he feels extremely terrible, as you said. He was back at his bench, and then he remembered, oh, yeah, if I'm going to come back, I've got to shoot those free throws. So they carried him out there, and you could see the tears running

rolling down his eyes and rolling down his entire face. I mean, it was... You don't see a man cry in an NBA game too often, but...

That's clearly what was happening to Kyrie Irving. And this just feels bad because I think here in his post-30s life, this was his chance to try and lead a team as far as he could possibly go. Even before Luka was traded, this was sort of Kyrie's team because Luka played in fewer than half games this season. But then after Luka was traded, it was definitely Kyrie's team. And I think he's trying to

reconcile for a lot of mistakes that he's made in the past. Brooklyn did not work out. Leading in Boston did not work out. The Cleveland experience the first time where he was just a baby. He was such a young player. Then LeBron came in and Kyrie left and reportedly said, I want to be what LeBron is. I want to have what he has. I want my friends to be able to come on the airplane. I think he wants just to rectify that. And this was his opportunity. And that's why he was crying at that free throw line. And

I think in a weird way, it's okay. It shows that it's okay for men to cry. It's totally fine. I mean, he may just be crying because of the injury. But yeah, to see him hobbled out there and you could see that he didn't want to land again on that left leg. He just, he pulled it up and it was sort of reminiscent of Giannis DiCumpo hyperextending his leg before the NBA Finals in 21. Now, I'm not saying that

Kyrie's going to pull a Giannis and come back in one week and come back. But there is the chance that he does come back. Now, it is going to be interesting to see what happens in the 10, 11, 12 spots because they have nobody, as Trey was saying. They have nobody to create. In this game against Sacramento, the first 10 minutes of the third quarter without Kyrie, they're in single digits. They weren't scoring. And so they picked it up a little bit, but...

Yeah, it's going to be rough. Still without, obviously, their top three big guys. Anthony Davis is one of the guys out there in street clothes helping Kyrie Irving hobble around. Derek Lively II still out. Daniel Gafford still out. You added the Hardy news. I mean, just like insult to injury. Injury to injury, I guess, with his right ankle sprain having to leave this. We had a lot of guys leaving NBA games last night. There were a ton of injuries across the board. So yeah, it's just a matter of like, are the Suns so bad or are the Blazers playing too much of a catch-up

to overtake, I think, the Dallas Mavericks for that 10th seed. Otherwise, they're just sort of going to back their way in probably to maybe one, maybe two games in a play-in tournament. Yeah, three-and-a-half game lead on the Suns for 11th and a four-game lead on the Trail Blazers right now. Blazers are playing a lot better than the Suns are. The Suns feel like they're just done. I mean, Tass flushed them down the toilet yesterday. So unless there were plumbing problems, I think they're still cooked. Let me check.

The Blazers, though, I guess maybe they could make a run and be nice for them to get a play-in appearance, but I wouldn't be surprised if Dallas sticks just because they do have a little bit of a cushion here. I just don't really know how they're going to do it. Like, I think Max Christie's going to have to start. He didn't start last night. He's kind of hit quarterbacks.

cold patch here after a really hot start after the Luca trade Dinwiddie I imagine we'll have to start as well just trying to get as much offense as they can possibly get on the court yeah totally right the Suns do have the toughest schedule the rest of the way so it's unlikely they're gonna make up for it the Blazers have a pretty tough schedule too so that bodes well for the Mavs and who knows what the doctors say about this hyper extended knee it could be a few weeks which it doesn't bode well but it bodes well for their playoff chances I

I just want that for the Mavs to get guys back for the playoffs so we have 10 incredibly good playoff teams. Because if they do get Kyrie back and they get Anthony Davis back, they do have a really good playoff team. Sure, sure. And the Kings, I mean, look, it almost feels like they were handed this one with the Kyrie injury. That said, no Sabonis. He's out for a little bit. And their starters played really well in terms of DeRozan and Keegan Murray and Zach Levine and Monk and...

and JV holding down the middle, all of them positive in this game, like huge. I mean, it was the starters that won them this game, especially after the Kyrie Irving injury. So a much-needed win. They're 32-28. The Mavericks have played a couple more games. They're 32-30. But Sacramento obviously fighting for positioning as well, trying to either get home court advantage in a play-in tournament or two cracks at it to get into the playoffs being in the 7th or 8th seed.

I think that's a big win for Sacramento because it was pretty even going into halftime. You know, the Mavs recovered well after the Kyrie injury in the first quarter. Things were looking, you know, up in the air at least going into the third quarter. And Sacramento just went out and took it 34-16 in the quarter. Five offensive rebounds. They couldn't keep Valanchunas off the offensive glass. Five threes as well for Sacramento. A couple of those were off offensive rebounds. Kick it out. Fine. Jake LaRavia knocks it down. They're eighth in the West. Like you said, they're only a half game back.

Right now, they beat a team that's below them in the Mavericks, so that counts as like a double win almost. They got a nice cushion here with Sabonis out. They've won four straight by double digits. Zach Levine is the reigning Western Conference Player of the Year right now. Sacramento, after that disaster against Golden State where it's like, uh-oh, what are you guys doing? They figured it out a little bit. So, you know, four-game losing streak on the way. Yeah, I know. I just jinxed it. Sorry, Kings fans. All right, let's move to Shea Gilgis-Alexander powering the Thunder to their 50th win.

with his latest 50-point night. Another one for SGA here, TK, as the Thunder...

Take care of the very banged up Houston Rockets. We watched a lot of this one on playback. They're missing four starters. The Houston Rockets, but Shea with another masterpiece here. Missing four starters and missing three guys who would be theoretically guarding Shea Gilgis-Alexander. No Amin Thompson, no Fred, no Dylan Brooks. Those are like their main choices. So Reed Shepard got his first start in the NBA, scored a career-high 25 points, and got an absolute education from Shea Gilgis-Alexander.

Shay was torching Reed Shepard, six for seven from the field, when guarded by Reed Shepard in this one. And it was like, he scored every which way. Sometimes Shepard would play off him. It's like, oh, I can't give up the drive. Shay just drives right by him. So he's like, okay, this time I'm stepping up on him. Whoops, step back right in your face. Impressive stuff from Shay. He's got the most 50-point games.

Yeah.

This is so easy for him right now. You know, Brian Wendhorst is always talking about he doesn't sweat. Sometimes he sweats. I see him wiping his hands on his shorts all the time. But it just looks like he knows the perfect counter for whatever sort of defense you're going to see. They tried some zone on Shea, but between the lack of defenders out there and, like,

Those lineups probably haven't played all that often together for the Rockets. The cohesion wasn't there, and Shea just dominated this one. They needed him to be scoring in the first quarter, too. He had 20 points. They were a little bit of cold. He said, I got you guys. Don't worry about it. Here's 50. OKC is now 50-11 on the season task. First team in the Western Conference to reach 50 victories.

And it got there before any other West Squad 140. You got a little light reading going on, do you? Yeah. Might as well. It is fitting that the first page is called Messy Fun. I'm having some messy fun in here. Yeah, why not? You're not excited about the SGA conversation? That's a Highlights magazine? Yes, a Highlights magazine. You finding the hidden objects?

I brought it myself. Well, of course, I'm excited about Shea dropping 50 without a team that didn't have a men Thompson, Dylan Brooks, Tariqs, and the guys that they would all throw at Shea, Gilgis, Alexander. Yeah, it stunk. Yes, they were starting. Reed Shepard, yeah, who's balling offensively along with... That's not going to be an issue, I don't think, for Reed Shepard. It's going to be the other end. Yeah, yeah, that was Shea's...

You could see. I mean, he could easily get into that crossover, into the pullback, as he does every single time. He's always going to be perfect in that number one role. It is just seeing how Jalen Williams with Chet Holmgren fit into that 2-3 along with Isaiah Hartenstein. So this is just...

the trials and tribulations period for the Thunder here in the last 20 games just to see those guys as secondary guys. I am seeing Shea Ballant from the three-point land as well. I mean, he's just so good right now from...

42% in February and continues to be great here. What was that noise? Just a quick toot? JD is going crazy, man. JD has turned into an eight-year-old. It's amazing. It isn't me. It isn't me. It definitely wasn't me. Okay, it was me. I was asked by my children. That was the time, man. Yeah.

We got to be dropping them last night. The perfect crime. I can't even tell you what that was. I thought I was hearing just some static in my ears, my earbuds. But no, it was not me. My kids asked me today, do you fart during the show? I said, absolutely not. I got nothing to go. I got nothing.

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Mark Dagnall said about SGA, quote, he's got an unbelievable pace to him right now. He's attacking and really hitting the gas on some plays. Thank you, Mark. Same with JD. On other plays, he's letting the defense tell him what to do and moving it to his teammates. It's allowing the rest of the team to play really well at the same time as him. So he deserves a lot of credit. I thought that was a cool quote, like pointing out like, yeah, these are crazy, insane 50-point games, but

Oddly, it is still in the flow of our offense. He's picking his spots, no doubt. He's obviously still getting the line. He's hitting the three. He's like an assassin in the mid-range. But other guys are playing well still, too. It's not just like, okay, it's just SCA. Everybody else out of the way. That jumped out to me. This season will become SGA's third consecutive one, averaging 30-plus points.

Only six other guys have ever done that in NBA history. It's a short list, and they are incredible players. Wilt Chamberlain, Michael Jordan, Oscar Robertson, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bob McAdoo, and James Harden. SGA's joining that list. That's an insane, incredible score. And man, this MVP race...

It's like a heavyweight fight over the last couple of months. I mean, all season long, but really the last couple of months. This is Muhammad Ali versus Joe Frazier here between SGA and Jokic. Let me go through a few of their key games. They're sort of counter punches to each other. Let's start with SGA's career-high 54-point night, right? He did that in January, late January, January 22nd. The next night, Jokic counters with 35 points, 22 rebounds, 17 assists, and a win. All right.

January 29th, so a week later for SGA, he stays hot, he scores 52 points. January 31st, Jokic kicks off a Nuggets 9-game win streak where he averages 30 points per game, 11.6 rebounds, 11 assists, while shooting 62% from the floor. Over the 9-game win streak. Averages, not one game. SGA, he takes those punches on February 3rd, he scored 34 points in 22 minutes in a blowout win over the Bucs.

OKC's next game, SGA goes for 50 points, 8 boards, 5 assists. Meanwhile, OKC's on a 7-game win streak, so they're also racking them up. On February 24th, Jokic notches a career-high 19 assists against Indy. He follows that up with 2 more triple doubles on the road. And then last night, SGA scores 51 on 30 shots. Man, this is unreal, these two guys. It's a 2-man race.

It's like, it's probably going to be SGA winning it. Shay is going to win MVP. Yeah. It's over. But what's wild about it is Jokic is going to have better numbers than he did in any of his other MVP seasons. Oh yeah. He's still the best player. Yeah.

But Jay's the best scorer, and he's on the best team, and he brings it defensively as well. Had an awesome block in this one. Like you're saying, seven assists. Like, took 30 shots, still seven assists, only, I think, two turnovers. Yeah, they're putting up crazy numbers every year. Like, you're talking up Jokic doing 30-11-11 over a win streak. He's averaging 29-12-10 for the season. Yeah. Shooting incredible percentages as well. These guys are just a level above, even in Giannis, who's having a great season as well. So there are...

two candidates for MVP, but the race is definitely over. You agree with that, Tess? Well, they have a two-game set in OKC, March 9th and March 10th. They are coming up. Two games, Denver visiting OKC on back-to-back nights. So I think it'll spark the conversation.

As to how do we grade Jokic? It's not so much for us. It's for the voters. Can you give this guy another MVP? Three in four years, it just doesn't happen very much in NBA history. So I think that part of the discussion will happen. Because as Trey was saying, Jokic is having the better season. It's all about wins for Shea. And the conversation will be more about how we grade these guys. Will it change? Will the way we just look at MVP change?

Simply change. Because it's so much about just the narrative and all that. And I felt that way coming into this season. I felt that Jokic wasn't likely to win it because they lost last year in the second round in the playoffs. And that hurts. But maybe we just give the vote to the best guy. And I think that's what that two games will be about. Sure, it'll be fun to watch. But I don't think it really determines who's going to win or not. I think it'll just...

get the headlines up a little bit more as to how we do this thing. Well, let's move on and talk a little bit about the Hawks pulling off a pretty miraculous win at the end.

Karis Levert, last second bucket thanks to some defense from Dyson Daniels to give the Hawks the 132 to 130 victory over the Grizzlies. Atlanta was down 10 with about 530 to go and then it was the Karis Levert show. I mean, it really got them back in the game. Yes, it was. And then Daniels with the defense. As I know, JD will fire up the clip here, but

your takeaways from the Hawks pulling this one out. This was a wild win for Atlanta. They finished the game on a 19-6 run, and like you're saying, it was basically Karis Levert because Jalen Wells was all over Trae Young, just not letting him catch the ball, so Levert had 16 in the fourth, went 7 for 8 from the field, 2 for 3 from 3. Had a great look at a game-winning three-pointer with like 24 seconds left. Missed it, but

Grizzlies don't call a timeout. They try and get into their offense. They'll tie games. Smart stuff. Incredible play by Dyson Daniels to get the steal, then to throw the pass, and then Levert had enough poise to slow down. Didn't rush. Get a good layup up and get it off. I think it was like .5 seconds when he released the layup, so not even close to...

coming after the buzzer. That was very, very good. On the flip side of things, Memphis looks bad. Right now they've lost three straight games by game winners. They had the OG Ananobi three. They had De'Aaron Fox hitting a mid-range jumper, and then they had the double-ender here, Dyson, to Levert. Since the trade deadline, Memphis is 3-7. They're ninth in offense.

27th in defense. The Hawks scored 82 points in the paint in this one. And Memphis just looked like they had no idea what to do offensively in the last four minutes. They scored two points. Jaron Jackson Jr. went out with an injury in this game. John Morant was not playing.

They have a system that relies a lot on one-on-one basketball, not a lot of creativity. It's like, can you beat your man off the dribble and score or drive and kick? That works when you got John Morant and Jaron Jackson Jr. out there. It's a different story when it's Luke Kennard and Desmond Bain. Kennard was hooping for the first six minutes of the fourth quarter, and then it was just late shot clock scenarios for every single possession for the Grizzlies. And I don't know. Their fans are very mad at Taylor Jenkins. I mean,

because he's not really doing much offensively. They keep losing these fourth quarter leads. It looks pretty bad, but the Hawks had an opportunity. I thought they were buried, and they came back and stole this one. Nice win. Crazy. Legit stole it from that Dyson Daniel deal. Dyson, excuse me, Daniels.

Dyson Daniels. I'm all flustered from a man on a toilet I'm trying to talk to. That textbook defense where he like, you got to show that to the kids at the YMCA. I mean, that was like he fought over the pick. He shuffled his feet, kept his hands back, and then timed it perfectly, Tass, where he poked it loose. And then again, like Trey said, had the wherewithal to throw it ahead to Karis LeVert, who was off streaking right away. Streaking. There you go. There's another one. But what do you think, Tass?

Yeah, the second Dyson Daniels steal to seal a game this season. His first one was prettier against De'Aaron Fox. I think how he bodied Fox and held him up. This one, Desmond Bain kind of just gave the ball away. He's losing the ball. Desmond Bain, a bad close to this game.

Because as Trey was saying, no Morant, no Jaron Jackson Jr. closed this game. We have all been wondering who are the closers for this team as they struggle in fourth quarters. And Desmond Bain traveled just a minute before that and gave this ball away here. Strictly kind of just gave it away. Although Dyson Daniels was in a perfect spot to grab a ball because that's what Dyson Daniels does the most steals since 2019 in NBA season.

Great season for him, obviously. It is worrisome for the Grizzlies. Number one, Jaron Jackson Jr. got hurt in the first two minutes of this game. And that's why the Hawks dropping 50 points to paint in the first half. Yeah, because there's no one there. And then 82 for the game. That's a huge number.

And they always come back at the end of games. That's what the Hawks do. They're down 10 with five minutes left. It's always just, let's scramble. Let's scramble and get it done. And they got it done, Karis LeVert.

Beauty Eurostep to finish that baby off. So a fun ending. Although, yeah, the worrisome part here is the Grizzlies are trying to run up and down the floor and beat teams with fast break points and are struggling in those fourth quarter moments. But the running is going to stop in playoff games when playoff defenses are getting back. We all know that. And so the worrisome part is Desmond Bain. Can you be that guy? Jaron Jackson Jr., can you be that guy?

Sometimes they can. And I thought against the Knicks on Friday night, John Morant was that guy. He was looking spectacular. But, you know, on the other side, a Brunson and an OG combo got him. Richa Shea had a great game for the Hawks. Just wanted to slip that in there. 27 points for the Rook.

probably his second or third best game of the entire season when you look at the whole scope of it. So really good stuff from him chipping in there. And yeah, Desmond Bain, I mean... He had a game. He had a great game. He had a triple-double, 35-point triple-double. So, you know, I know we're pointing out all the mistakes because, yeah, the travel and then obviously a bad turnover at the end. And that's unfortunate.

For the most part, he played really damn well. Yeah, he didn't score in the fourth quarter, though. No, no. They locked in on him, and he came up short. Any other takeaways from either that game or any of the other last night's games? I wonder if the Jimmy Butler honeymoon is over for Golden State. Just a regular happy marriage now.

you know, came in, looked awesome, 18 points a game, five rebounds, five assists in his first six games with the Warriors. That was what they were hoping to get, getting Jimmy Butler. The last four games, he had six points on eight shots in a win against Charlotte, five points on seven shots in a win against Orlando, rested against Philadelphia, and then last night, 13 points on seven shots and yet another win over the Hornets. So,

So I'm like, is this Jimmy just kind of settling into regular season mode where I will play hard when you need me to play hard? That was a problem in Miami. Pat Riley called him out for it. But look, they won these three games where Jimmy was taking single digit shots here. They're against Charlotte twice in Orlando. These are teams that Golden State playing as well as they have been should beat. I think Jimmy sees the schedule and says, yeah, we can beat those teams with me hardly going at it here. But he's hardly going at it here. That's disappointing. I thought this team was supposed to be ramping up for the playoffs.

trying to figure things out. Things are still working good for him because they still, they've seen a favorable schedule and Jimmy still is helping the team. Um, even if he's not trying to take over, but this is, this is the stuff that was driving Pat Riley crazy, not getting the full Jimmy when that's what they're paying for. Right. So they're back from the honeymoon in Fiji. We're just living now. Now you're like, Oh, we got to worry about bills and grocery store. Yeah.

Got a dinner plan. We're having veggie burgers tonight. Interesting. Something to keep watching, though. They got the victory, like Trey said, Tass. Yeah, the worrisome part is the injuries because we're all wondering, will Jimmy have the Tom Thibodeau effect here at some point of his career? Didn't play last year in the playoffs. He did sit out that Philadelphia game, according to the team, because of back spasms. So the fact that he came back,

You could look at it as a good sign, but yeah, the single digit shots are definitely happening from Jimmy. And I was, I just wonder what's going to happen in the playoffs in the post season. Are we going to get a, a full throttle Jimmy? Maybe yes. Maybe he is waiting for this time because we know that he doesn't give it at all. Every single game in the regular season.

But we could see Jimmy turn it up in the offseason. Yeah, looking stationary the last couple of games. There's not a lot of Jimmy Butler movement really out there, which is playing into the part of him not contributing much. But yeah, they got the victory. Any other games, Tass, you want to touch on?

Well, I'll just touch on that game right there. I was interested in Charlotte. It is our nut dust bowl entry that looks like the worst team right now. So I wanted to see what they could do against Steph coming back to his hometown. So I was listening to the broadcast. I heard Brandon Miller, who is out most likely for the rest of the season because of a cast on his right hand because of a wrist injury. He said that he is beating everybody

with his left hand in shot competitions. No one has beaten him. No one.

And so I'm looking forward to next season. That's more of an indictment to the rest of the Hornets team. Yeah, it's both. It's both. Hey, what do you know? They're 28th in three-point percentage. That's crazy. He can start ripping it with his left hand next season. Maybe we'll see some shots with his left hand. Incredible Tejan Salon turnover in this one. He traveled twice on the same play and double dribbled. Yes. He's...

He's very young. He's raw. He's so raw they haven't even sliced the beef off yet. No, he got popped in the neck or the head by Draymond Green. I guess it got upgraded to a flagrant. I think Draymond's at 12 if you're keeping track of technicals or whatever. Yeah, that's technicals. So you got to get to 16, but keep your eye on that. Draymond, yeah, we'll keep an eye on that.

Surprisingly, yeah, we saw some Draymond techs. Not surprisingly. But on the other side, he just kept fighting. He just kept fighting for boards, kept fighting defensively, doing the things that they needed. What didn't surprise me was listening to the broadcast. We know our man, Eric Collins, always screaming. Screaming when the Hornets do something. But he would do it.

It's a classic Hornets thing where they have a terrible possession. Then LaMelo would get the ball back and shoot a ball, and he'd hit a three to bring them from 12 down to nine down. LaMelo! He just, Eric Collins just can't help himself. No, no. He just has to. It doesn't matter where they are in the game. It's so strange seeing this team play. They just have bad possession. 9-11, okay, LaMelo, shoot off one leg. Sure, they might go down, but this team is just...

Pretty disappointing overall. Steve Kerr also was upset in this game. He got a technical because he got a technical complaining about a travel. And I don't even know what he was complaining about. Was he complaining about the play where Nurkic catches it inside? He like jump stops, doesn't move, and then gets fouled. But then on the very next, like on the inbounds play, it's Lamello catches the ball.

He maybe travels on the possession. That's when Kirk got the tech. Yeah. After Lomelo caught it after the screen and roll. He basically says he wants more travels called. It would be good for the game because footwork is the basis of the game. I thought that was a good point. It definitely is. But he also is like everybody in the stands saw it was a travel. I was like, you cannot trust fans in the stands. They don't know the rules. No, he did say, I saw Steve say after watching film, uh,

He saw his own team travel four times in Saturday night's loss to the 76ers and none of them were called. So he's being fair about this. He's like, not only are you blowing missed foul travel calls on the other team, but you're not even calling them on our team. So let's get better. So he wants the officials to get better at calling travels in this league, Tass. He's not wrong. No, he is, right. They do it better. It's the one thing international referees are a little bit better at.

It's called travels. Yeah. The traveling and the carrying of the ball is happening more in NBA games. And I guess Steve Kerr is just talking to the referees association. He's just speaking straight to them. Hey, fix it. Because it is a little annoying. And I know people are...

Getting a little bit more just angry. Watching guys come down the floor and carry a little bit, travel a little bit. That's understandable. That's something they can rectify. It was just last year where guys like Trae Young would just sell some contact and they would get a foul. Not anymore. They rectified that. It's gone down for sure. Oh, yeah. Big time.

All right. We'll see if they start calling these travels. I highly doubt it. Yeah. I honestly don't want more travels. You don't want more travels? We don't need more whistles and stoppages. I like highlights. Okay. I mean, yeah, I always post the highest dunk score from the night. The other night, Giannis had it, and it was a travel. He definitely travels. And all my comments, that's a travel, that's a travel, that's a travel. I was like, well, yeah, they didn't call it. It's a dunk. It's two points. But I understand your concern. Terrence Mann had a hilarious one last night as well. Yep.

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Good enough for just 11th in the West, just ahead of the 12th seeded Blazers, despite having the highest payroll in the league. So it's bad. It's very bad in Phoenix. And because of this, NBA insiders like Windy and Shams, they're reporting that Phoenix is ready to make real changes this summer and will look to trade Kevin Durant in the offseason.

the franchise already tried to trade him at the deadline. KD essentially blocked that trade to the Warriors. He had no interest in moving mid-season or rejoining his old team. But this begs the question, if everyone knows Durant is going to be dealt, where will he land? What will that deal look like? Who should take a risk or not? So let's talk it out here and start with you, Trey. I mean, the question is simple.

Is there a favorite of yours, the best Kevin Durant sort of trade destination? Or if you even want to start, like, should any team, considering his age and obviously his cost and all that...

want to be in the KD sweepstakes. He still thinks he's got something left to contribute to a team. KD's obviously got something left. The guy's still a 30-point-per-game scorer. He's shooting an incredible percentage specifically from the midrange. He's shooting great from three as well. Doesn't get to the rim as often, and like you're saying, he is older. He's going to be 37 at the start of next season, and after this year, when the Suns missed the playoffs, Kevin Durant will have won two playoff series in the last five years. He will have won zero playoff games in the last two seasons, including this one in the sweep last year at the hands

of the Timberwolves who everybody picked the Timberwolves not me but everybody else picked the Timberwolves at this point Kevin Durant to me is a finishing piece he's not a foundational piece of your team you would need him as like your number two scorer at the max I do believe

And the question, there's a few questions that need to be answered first. Like, what's the cost going to be? Because that is a huge thing. The cost for the Suns has been too much. This is a huge part of the reason why they've been a disappointment this season. They were better before they traded for Kevin Durant. The Bradley Beal thing was the final nail in the coffin. But they traded away a lot of their depth. Then they involved Durant in some of these personnel decisions, which led to Nurkic's

replacing DeAndre Ayton and another rotation piece potentially into Monty Kamara going out as well. So they've seen a lot of brain drain in Phoenix and haven't had a way to really bring it back. So what's going to cost to get KD? Cause he even said to Draymond, he's like, yeah, I just didn't want to move to a team that's going to have to pay to get me because then there's nothing left. So that's tough. The sons, we got to figure out what they want. Do they want to like retool around Devin Booker?

Who they say they are not trading. I mean, they are coming out and saying that. This guy is having the most anonymous season. Yeah. We haven't talked about Devin Booker hardly at all. We've talked about Durant and Beal way more. Or do they actually want a full-on rebuild? Doesn't seem likely. Matt Ishbia doesn't seem like that's something he would want to do. And then I think the playoffs are going to answer a lot of questions. Like if Houston falls short, they maybe are interested in Kevin Durant. But...

In general, I think young teams should just keep brewing on what they're doing. OKC, I would say, is a massive no on trading for Kevin Durant and bringing him back. Even if they fall up like shockingly short in the playoffs? Even if. Even if you're not considering trading. If they get swept in the first round, maybe it's different. OK, but outside of that, you're not trading a Hartenstein and a Caruso or a Dort and whatever draft capital it would take for a QB. I wouldn't.

Tassie, okay, let's start with that. You agree with that sort of like OKC, if it was a disaster in the playoffs and they flamed out very early because they expect to obviously compete for a championship. So I assume conference finals or bust, probably finals or bust, would they at least consider a KD trade or should they?

No, I don't think it's for them. I think they should continue with their incredibly young core and just go forward with it. Because if you were trading for somebody who's definitely got a couple, two to three, maybe four good years left, it doesn't bode well. It doesn't make sense. It just doesn't work with their timeline, period. What team then do you...

see as a possibility to make a realistic move for Kevin Durant? And maybe it does come down to what Trey's saying, like which of these teams flame out in the playoffs? Like, is it the Rockets? Maybe it's the Timberwolves. Like you do get teams that panic, so to speak, because it doesn't go well and they want to switch it up. But do you have a trade destination in mind? I think the Timberwolves could see a situation where they just say, we need something different. We need a

A guy who is sort of the co-leader definitely could be the number two scorer, but you definitely, we see what's happening in Phoenix. You need somebody to be the leader and Anthony Edwards would still be that guy. I think the package coming back the other way would be the problem in that situation. I think they would be happy to get off Rudy Gobert to be the primary part of it along with picks and

And the Phoenix Suns could say, well, okay, well, Devin and Rudy can maybe work it out together. But I think we've seen, it's been a short amount of time in Minnesota, but you can sort of look back to his Utah days with Donovan Mitchell, Rudy Gobert. They had one, uh, very good, very good run, a conference finals. And this Minnesota team, yes, it was just the second round last year. Um,

where they were able to beat Denver and getting to a conference finals themselves. But it sort of feels that way where Rudy is just not clicking the way he used to, but I don't know if Phoenix would actually do something that,

It doesn't seem like a good enough package for Phoenix at this point. I think it's more likely they would trade Julius Randle than Rudy Gobert. Gobert seems like a big piece of what they're still trying to do, even if he's taken a little bit of a step back. But I don't mind Minnesota as well. He would be a clear upgrade over Jade McDaniels.

Jalen McDaniels, Jaden McDaniels. This is the only one I get messed up on. I always remember it. Every single time, I got to remember. It's defense. Yeah, that's what I do too. D for defense. Every other player in the NBA is named Jalen. Yeah, right, right. And this is the one situation where Jaden is better than Jalen. Yeah, usually, yes. He's the exception that proves the rule. But I think Minnesota is like the perfect kind of spot for him where –

They're still a younger team because Anthony Edwards is young. You know, DiVincenzo is on the younger side. Nas Reid, I don't exactly know how he would fit into the plans here, but Gobert's a little bit older. Like, they're kind of caught in between timelines. So I can see Durant fitting there. I think Dallas makes a lot of sense there.

They would just become the Suns all over. They're the old team with nothing in the future, so we might as well just try and win with these old guys now. I wonder if the Kyrie Irving injury throws a wrench into those kind of plans. Also, the last Kyrie-KD party...

didn't end perfectly as well. And then Miami, I think, is a team that should be in the mix as well. They're always trading for superstars. As for young teams, Houston is a little bit interesting because I think they're going to need a real offensive superstar at some point. And then Detroit, I think, could maybe get in the mix. Yeah. Again, they're so early that I don't think they should do it either. Right, right. And...

Yeah, and what's coming back in theory in a hypothetical KD to Detroit trade? It's like Tobias Harris. Mostly picks, probably. Yeah, picks. Maybe one of their young guys, like a Ron Holland. You're not giving up a Sarr Thompson. He should be untouchable, I think, for Detroit. Maybe Ivy, obviously out right now. Yeah, the heat's interesting, Tass. Like Trey said, that's what Pat Riley does. He chases superstars, and they've struck out on a couple. But could they...

entice Phoenix with a Wiggins I guess a Terry Rozier sort of deal to make the money work I don't know if a young guy has to be included be it a Hawkeyes or a Ware I think they would have two picks after the draft maybe that's enough to get it done do you see something there that would have KD going to the east too I mean get out of the west help your chances to maybe go far I don't know what do you think

I don't think there's enough there for Matt Ishbia when it comes to the star level. I mean, Matt Ishbia sold everything. He told James Jones, you go make this deal for Kevin Durant. I don't care what you say. And for the return to be Wiggins as the prime guy, I don't think that's enough. Now, I buy the Minnesota deal a little bit more. I don't know if it's Julius Randle to equate to enough of a star. I think the Rudy Gobert thing might work out.

And for Ishbia, just because you now have a great defensive player. Now it's, it's questionable as to how they are playing right now, but there's still, you know, I think they're six defense wise. I think you can sort of sell that a little bit more. The sons suddenly have a good defensive player and they,

That's something I think that the Minnesota Timberwolves would have to take. Have to take a risk on Nas Reed being your starting center, which has boded well. I don't know what they do with Julius Randle coming up to this offseason. He's a free agent. It's a very, very interesting scenario for them with bringing him back or not. Hopefully they can all get healthy right now because he is out and...

Maybe they can see what they have going forward. But I like to see the sharing of Anthony Edwards and Kevin Durant as the guys there. So Anthony Edwards doesn't have to answer all the questions, doesn't have to be the face of the league kind of thing. It can be on Kevin Durant. But it is an odd scenario, you know, as Trey said, about where they are just age-wise. So...

The Rockets thing, I don't think it makes sense because of age. OKC doesn't make sense. Wait, wait, wait. Why not the Rockets, though? The Rockets maybe did a move last offseason to set them up for the Kevin Durant sweepstakes because they traded. They had that trade with the Nets where they basically gave the Nets their draft capital back, which is more immediate, and took a bunch of the Suns

future draft capital. And I think even Woj, when he was still working for ESPN, reported at the time, oh yeah, they want Durant or Booker. Like, that's what their belief is here. And they think they can get Phoenix to sort of bite by returning all their draft picks. And...

That makes some sense, right? It's like, okay, you are really spinning your wheels. You guys have a crazy luxury tax. You're not even in the playoffs, we're crying out loud, despite having the largest payroll in the league. You don't have any of your future draft capital. We'll give it all back to you. And, you know, Van Vliet's contract and one of our young guys, you know, be it Atari Eason or Cam Whitmore or something. We got a lot of them. We'll give you that back and all your picks. And we'll take KD.

and fold him into our team. Does this mean then that the Suns would be trading Devin Booker as well? Because what's the point of getting your picks back if you're not going to be bad? Well, to make maybe more moves. The other part of this, they don't like draft picks. So maybe they're like, no, we don't want them. That's why we got rid of them. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think so. Then again, that could be all smoke. They are really clearly saying we're trading Kevin Durant. Like this is like a

He's gone, man. He's saying, I would have gotten traded if I didn't have to sell my house. Yeah, yeah. No wonder their team stinks. But they are, well, yeah, right. That sort of blew up in their face, no doubt. Well, that and Benji Beal trying to get him to waive his no trade clause. Right. Nobody wants to leave Phoenix. Why couldn't he just sell his house and be traded?

It's hard, man. It takes time. You got to hire a realtor? You think he's in there showing potential buyers? Do you like this bathroom? Do you like this bathroom here? This is my favorite bathroom of the house. Please buy it. Yeah, Kevin Durant definitely could have been traded to Golden State. I think even though he went on Draymond's podcast and said it had nothing to do with our history and how it ended.

I think there's something there. And just going back to a place where he wasn't anointed as...

The guy. And he didn't get the limelight that he thought he was going to get. The whole Houston thing, it is going to be two years later on Kevin Durant's timeline if they were to get him for next year's playoffs. He would be old in comparison to their other guys. Now, it's an interesting scenario there. They definitely need a number one score. We see it every fourth quarter. We see it. There's no doubt. And it's going to be interesting to see what they do. They have a team option for Fred Van Vliet coming next year. Right.

The reason for that, the way they signed that was a very interesting deal by Raphael Stone was so that they could just let other guys go and let other guys sort of be their leaders and Jalen Green and Alperen Chengun. So that's a huge question what they do with that.

He's not even going to be tradable if they just simply let him go. But they could just pick him up and, yeah, lump him together for a star. They definitely need a star. That is totally true. And then a lot of people are bringing up the Dallas Mavericks. Why not the Mavericks? You know, Nico Harrison made it clear that the Dallas championship window, it's only two to three years. So, okay, Durant would sort of fit that concept.

I just don't know how they get there. And this is like obviously before the Kyrie injury last night, which we're still waiting to see how severe it is. We got news. Oh, how bad is it? Season-ending torn ACL, per all sources. Can't say I'm shocked by that news with the guy being carried off the floor and tears in his eyes when he's shooting the free throws. I actually think Dallas makes a ton of sense.

If I'm being honest, they've got two swaps or two first round picks and four swaps that they're able to trade come summertime. And Phoenix would actually be able to get back some like helpful players who knows who they would actually throw in. But like PJ Washington, helpful player, maybe lively goes back. Max Christie. These are all guys that could be in your rotation and actually have you being a decent team. The payoff would be farther down the road with these Mavericks picks. Kevin Durant could carry the team until Kyrie Irving comes back healthy.

And makes a ton of sense from both sides to me. I get that. I just like, it's difficult with the contracts. I mean, maybe this is a third or fourth team is like folded into this. Like the Mavs have two guys that make over 40 million in AD and Kyrie. And then it's a steep drop off to guys that make,

16, 15, 14 million, and then even less in Lively's case. So it's like, you got to put us so many guys together to get to a Kevin Durant sort of contract. That's the difficulty of that. But yeah, I mean, now with the Kyrie injury, wow. Damn. Can the Suns get that 10th seed, baby? Let's go. What a nightmare for Dallas Mavericks fans this season. Even if you could try and squint. Oh.

And think about your team with Kyrie and Anthony Davis this postseason. You can't anymore. Just close those eyes. It is a clear nightmare for this team. Horrible, horrible stuff. And I feel bad for Kyrie in that this was the team he was going to try and lead and get it right as a leader for the first time.

It's a horrible scenario in a bunch of those ways. I mean, he got hurt in Brooklyn when Giannis DiCupo got under him in that postseason before the Bucs went and won that title. Things could have been very different if Kevin Durant had Kyrie beside him and if Kevin Durant had smaller shoes in that Game 7. And the Boston thing and the Cavs, they win a title, obviously, but he wanted to get out of there. It's a bad, bad scene.

And it was like, to some extent, it's like, that's a fluke injury. I get it. The guy's driving in through the lane and bumping knees and the leg buckles. And now it's out for the season. But like, they also put a lot on his shoulders when they traded Luka Doncic and he was playing heavy minutes for a guy getting up there in age, especially the way he plays being a smaller guy. Like, I'm not saying it's like, oh, you should have seen this coming. But like, that's how unfortunately these injuries can occur, right? It's like,

You're putting this guy through the wringer here. He's playing 40, 40 plus minutes a game a lot of these and having to do a lot of the heavy lifting with the no AD portion as well. Only playing...

like a half a game for the Dallas Mavericks. So really, really bad stuff. And now the Dallas Mavericks fans have to even pay more for season tickets, which I'm sure will come up on Friday's worst of the week. Yeah, I think isn't AD... I think all their big guys are supposed to be re-evaluated like today. Yeah. Like we're supposed to get information on all these guys today. So I wonder if the Kyrie injury has an effect on Anthony Davis coming back. Right. Yeah. Like why? To make the play-in is why. And, you know, to...

He was trying to re-energize the city, he said, before he went down with his injury. So, I don't know. Just bad stuff. Another team I would say you can't rule out the Lakers going after Kevin Durant. Oh, God. You can't. They've got Austin Reeves. They've got Dalton Connect. And they've still got all their picks now. Interesting. Interesting. And, I mean, that fits your...

Your window, so to speak, if LeBron's still at this level, it's like, hey, we're going for it now, and we have Luka. Yeah? Yeah? Oh, my God. I'm sure fans will love that if that happens. Well, let's hear from you out there in the stream team, podcast listeners, your best Kevin Durant trade destinations, maybe some teams that we've overlooked that you could see in play. And I guess a part of this, too, I think Shams in his reporting said, like,

The idea that they'll want to try and get him to a potential contender, right? Kevin Durant, I think. Well, that's a Jimmy Butler situation, right? Where it's like he's going to want an extension for a team and he's not signing an extension with the Chicago Bulls, for instance, you know? Sure. He wants to try and win another title. To go to a team that has a chance to obviously compete. Yeah, that's a good point. And it gets them the most back. Most. Quite often. The team that's going to want to try and win a championship with Kevin Durant is going to give up the most. Mm-hmm.

So yeah, it's good for every side. Let's get to Pick'Em game tonight. Quickly. Tass, you got a victory. I backed with you. We got the Blazers winning last night. Yeah, you said you didn't want to back me because I stunk in February. But I said, you know what? The Blazers are just a better team than the Philadelphia 76ers. Philadelphia 70 stinkers is what Tass calls them from the can. Yes, I do. Where are we going tonight?

We're going to the Philadelphia. No, we're going to the New York Knicks hosting the Golden State Warriors. They continue their trip going into New York. It's on TNT. Knicks are favored by four and a half because the Warriors are on a back-to-back, I suppose. That should be the big part of it. We'll see if Jimmy Butler does suit up as we just talked about.

just sat out against those Philadelphia 70 stinkers because of his back spasms. Trey and I think that the Knicks will cover against Golden State. Got to win by five or more. Esch and Skeets are taking the Warriors. Why are you taking the Warriors, Skeets? Uh...

Yeah, I'm expecting, I guess, well, Steph Curry and Madison Square Garden. Always excited for that show. Jimmy, yeah, maybe he's like, oh, TNT. Oh, New York City. Okay, I'll bring my best game. There's that. The other part of the equation is the Knicks play a lot of close games over the last little bit here. No doubt. They always play clutch games. They're always close. So, like, Knicks could win this, but I think it could be within, you know, four points, three points, two points. So that's why I'm sort of thinking the Warriors cover it.

That's my reasoning. That's good reasoning. Thank you. I was thinking the same thing. It very well could happen. I don't know why I took the New York Knicks in all honesty. Honestly, flip a coin with this stuff. Because, yeah, they play close games. That being said, Jimmy is very, very important to this team, so I wonder if he plays tonight. Okay. All right, we'll call it there. I do want to remind everyone.

Got a little save the date for you. If you are in the Atlanta area, maybe you're coming here for the second round of March Madness because I believe Atlanta hosting some of those games in the second weekend. We're going to be doing a live show slash pizza party. I'm not even kidding. We're going to have a live show on March 27th at the Seven Stages Theater in

in little five points here in atlanta so no link very handy for us why do you say that well it's in our city that's great yeah that is a great flights no flights right here it's gonna be yeah we're not missing this one for sure you guys book your hotels yet i'm staying at bass lofts i'm staying at the claremont oh oh nice downstairs oh sexy time um

So, yeah, we will have a link for you to get tickets. I believe they're going to be $25, but we are going to have a lot of fun finally doing a live show. It's been a while. We didn't have one at All-Star Weekend, so we wanted to do one here around the March Madness. You know, we're not the biggest college basketball fans, but it's going to be right here in our backyard. We'll be sauced up. Sauced up. Tabasco sauced up. That's right. So March 27th, we'll share that link for you soon. I assume those tickets are going to go pretty quickly. Tass, we may bring the toilet hat.

That could be fun. Yeah, I'll like it there better because I won't be in a bathroom. Yeah, man. I'll wear it. I will wear it. I was trying to think, yeah, we could bring all of our pick and payoffs, like...

I have the interstellar space costume. We've got three costumes. I got a pickle. You had the pickle. Wow. Now it's a costume party. Costume pizza party? It's a costume pizza party. March 27th, we'll get a lot more information in the future. But let's call it there. We're back tomorrow.

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