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Hello, everyone. I'm Jan Arden. This is the Jan Arden Podcast, one of the most successful, wildly acclaimed podcasts of all times. I'm here with Caitlin Green. Caitlin Green is
is a person that I have personally known and vouched for many, many times. Hello. What an intro. Hi, Caitlin. Yeah. I know. Personally vouched for, to the police specifically. Yes. And Sarah Burke. So I'm here with two young women, everyone. I'm 62 years old. For those who are new listeners to our podcast, I'm a 62-year-old singer-songwriter, author, sometimes actor, animal advocate,
vegan. You get sick of me talking about that. And I am here with two, what generation would you girls say you're from? Because I know that Sarah Burke is 37-ish. I'm just going to put that out there. Good memory. Yes. Caitlin Green is 40. I'm a millennial. Are you also a millennial, Sarah? Yeah, I would say yes. All right. So I'm here with women that are basically, you know, 30 years younger than me. Let's say 25. Let's just split it down the middle.
And we have not opposing points of view, but we have very different takes on things. So the first thing I'm going to throw at you young women is the whole idea of, and this is because of the Bridgerton thing. It's been online a lot about the slightly rotund star of
the the ingenue the the love interest of the very slim attractive man and the internet's gone wild talking about how can a girl that's a little bit you know rotund be with this guy it wouldn't happen in real life as some of the comments that i've been reading say rotund do you mean like the mean people are saying she's too fat you know a fat girl wouldn't end up with a
you know, a slim fit guy. It doesn't work. I haven't watched Bridgerton. So maybe just in case someone hasn't watched Bridgerton, give us like a little, it is a period piece. It's a Shonda Rhimes. It's in that realm of, of one of her creations. It's like a sexy soap opera set in an imaginary world of the 1800s. I think it's the 18th century indeed. Okay. But just like the big puffy dresses, the puff hair, the poofy hair picture, Marie Antoinette.
But it's... Okay. Anyway, so this thing has gone wild and I'm just...
The thing that bugs me is that we're used to seeing Fred Flintstone and Wilma. So this big lumpy guy with a skinny little, you know, Wilma. We're used to seeing the King of Queens, what's his name, with the very, very slim girlfriend or anything John Candy was in. He always had a very, very stick-like wife or partner or girlfriend or love interest. So we're used to seeing that trope over and over and over again of these big guys, whether it's Tony Soprano and, you know,
his wife on that long running show. We're used to the idea of the big guy with the very slim, attractive woman, but my God, everyone's losing their shit over this girl who's, you know, diminutive. She's like five foot two, probably 180 pounds. And then this really tall, handsome man who's trim and fit. So I want your take on it. Yeah. I feel like it's her name. The actress's name, I believe is Nicola Coughlin or Nicola Coughlin. She's from Ireland and,
I could be butchering that pronunciation, but she's beautiful. She is beautiful. And she's talked a lot about being curvy and in the media. And I think people would ask her frequently about dating for her or what it's like to be in the public eye and on screen for a woman of her size. And I think that she repeatedly had said, oh, for someone with my body type, do you mean somebody with perfect breasts? I love it.
I love that. She's like, what's it like for me with my perfect breasts? Oh, it's great. So she's obviously in real life, like a very confident, attractive person. And the criticism to me seems, oh God, boring is the first word that comes to mind. It's just a very boring conversation for anyone to get caught up in. But this is a lot of women going against it too. They're just like, that's not really... I believe it, of course. Like, I mean, internalized misogyny is here to stay apparently. But I feel as though...
It's boring, it's outdated, and it's just illogical because you're going to see people of all shapes and sizes in relationships with each other in real life all the time. And looks are subjective. You might find somebody to be not of the same...
ranking on your attractiveness scale as the person that they're partnered with but that's you and I'm sure if you flipped your I mean how many times if you're like taking a selfie or like taking a photo and you flip your camera around and you look at yourself and you're like oh my god I always think when people are criticizing someone else's looks on on the internet I'm like if we flipped your phone around right now I bet you'd look like crap so I never get too worried about it
But it's rude. It's rude and outdated and boring. It's rude and outdated and boring. It's just like, it's just not for me. Sarah. Oh, okay. You're up. You think you're going to be exempt from this conversation? I just find it curious, that's all, that there's just so much criticism. I wouldn't call myself a curvy woman, but I have an athletic body type, right? And I will say that it doesn't make me feel amazing to be beside a slender man in real life, right? Are you kidding me right now?
No, but I'm just saying like sometimes like I'm just putting myself in this actress's, you know, shoes maybe. And, you know, sometimes I think that like, especially if I'm like swiping on the apps and stuff, it's like I'd crush that guy. Crush him in bed or crush him? Well, not necessarily. Like probably be able to fight him. Maybe even. You know what I'm saying? Like I. Well, hopefully it doesn't come to that in the dating world. No, I just mean I wouldn't.
I would feel more confident in my own skin next to someone who is same or larger than me. Would you date a fat guy? Yeah. I don't care about that. Okay. I love the idea of a big bear to cuddle with. Yeah. Okay. I'm glad to hear that. But so you lean away from a slighter build of a man because you prefer the feeling in a relationship of being smaller than your partner. Yeah. For some reason. And that's interesting now that we're saying it out loud. Hey, I've talked about this, you know, over the years in media too, when these topics would kind of come up.
and frequently when I was on the radio. And we would have male listeners text us in and say, okay, so to counter with what we feel judged by is our height. So there'll be lots of criticism about women for their weight, but then men will say, you go to a dating site and one of the most common things that no woman is interested in or they claim not to be interested in on these dating sites is a man under six feet tall. Under six foot? Yeah.
Yes. And that's like, that's like a whole thing is like women who are interested in very tall men only. And even just, you know, that trending piece of audio that was turned into like a song that was, you know, going around this year where it was like six, five, blue eyes, finance, like all that. Can you sing that again for us, please? Yeah.
But it's a list of what women find attractive in men, frequently starting with being tall. Like, how's a guy going to go be tall if he's not tall? I'm lost on the I would crush you thing. What do you mean by that? Like, I feel like I have a bigger build. So like hugging? Like this way, wide. Wide versus tall, I think, is what I'm saying. Like, I've got some shoulders and like... She's tiny. You're very fit. This is a ridiculous conversation. So we're moving on. Okay. You wanted to know
thoughts. Now I feel bad because when I look at you two, you are absolutely the quintessential fit, fabulous, beautiful, smart, entrepreneurial,
And so that there's even a shadow of a shadow of a doubt in your minds that you're going to crush a guy because you have broad shoulders. You are a very, you're a small person, Sarah. Like we've had dinner with you and you're not a big eater. Telling you what, you're not a big eater.
You know, anyway, it's, it's a confidence thing. I guess my point being is when we see a slim, nice looking man, a fit man with an overweight, I'm just going to put that out there. Cause that's, I'm trying to be delicate about it.
That's what people are calling her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, we're all freaking out. And now we're living in a world where when these actresses are overweight, this is the first comment they get. Why are you not on Ozempic? Why don't you go on Monjourno? That's terrible. Why aren't you taking Wagovi? Why aren't you doing any of these things? Now you have a choice. This is what's fucking happening now. You have a choice.
You are choosing to be fat. You are choosing to look like that because now you have the option of taking something that's been proven to be scientifically, you know, positive and not harmful to you. Now we have another layer to this already...
Yeah, I think everyone knew that when I at least I knew when Ozempic came out, I thought to myself, oh, dang it, this is going to lead to some disordered eating for sure. And also it's going to treat this like this is a problem to be fixed that you now you're choosing not to fix the problem of not being considered hot by very well.
narrow, boring standards that aren't actually applicable in real life. I mean, truthfully, there are tons and tons of men and women who are attracted to people of all different shapes and sizes. And I think a lot about the height thing for men, the weight thing for women, and that when it all really comes down to it, it's just designed to make people
kind of hate how they look and hate themselves and then probably spend a whole bunch of money on trying to fix that. Valid point, product of our environment. Yeah. So it's like, you know, it's just, I think an increased awareness around like how this makes people feel and then how it makes them, you know, interact with other people and dating and all that stuff. Such a tired conversation that we see. We're never not going to have it. You know, we're going to be having these conversations. And, you know, like I was saying with the drugs now,
We face a whole new barrage of criticisms that there's lots of things we could do to change this. And obviously, you're just not doing it. But the price is also a factor. Ozempic, I know for a fact, is about $400 a month.
And it's not covered by healthcare unless you are a type two diabetic or a diabetic where it is often covered because it's obviously a drug designed initially to help with your glycemic index and your blood sugars and all of that kind of stuff. So there are people, and I read this article, there are women, and I believe it was out of Oklahoma. A woman was, her drugs because of the healthcare in the United States were a thousand dollars a month. So she was paying 250 a week for
for her. I don't, I want to say Ozempic, but I listen, I'm not sure folks, but one of those drugs. And she was literally the, the desire to keep, she went off it for like a month and she put 10 pounds on. She freaked out so badly because she was going broke. She could hardly feed her kids, hardly pay the rent. And she was in a quandary. She out loud said it, I am choosing to
to pay for this drug when my kids are going without stuff at school. We're struggling to get by because she is taking that money and spending it on her weight loss drugs. This already broke tax to the Max family. Her kids are suffering because she's taking these drugs.
I also like guys spend this money on therapy, please. But this is what I mean. She panicked because they say as soon as you go off of these drugs and this is science, your weight comes back. This is a lifetime commitment. Yeah. If that's the type of thing that your doctor is genuinely recommending to you for diabetic reasons, because you're weighing the risk and reward and it's a value to you, then you
Obviously, like, you know, listen to what your doctor says. Beyond that, I think recognizing the role that vanity is playing in it and how what that says about the society that you operate in and your own self-worth, I think it's an important conversation to dig a little bit deeper on. To say nothing of the fact that you're injecting yourself with a needle every day. I mean, that's something.
I would have a hard time with that if it wasn't deemed medically necessary. If I had to medically do it, I'd be like, whatever, I can tough it out. If I was like, oh no, I'm so worried about how I look and I'm going to inject myself, not even have someone else do it. I'm like, where is it going? In your leg? Or you, I don't know. You inject it into your stomach. Okay. Yeah. So I like, it's, it's a lot. It's a lot. Well, listen, at one point I considered it. I'm like,
I technically should probably lose 25 pounds, but I'm a fit person. I'm in the gym a lot. I love to eat. I probably do way more carbs, but yeah, I've been that person kind of my whole life. I've been up and down, but
I think I'm 163, 163 pounds. I'm five foot three, which is definitely, I should be like 140, you know, I should be there. It's so funny how different bodies are so like, I am five four, I'm one inch taller than you. And right now I've just built a bunch of muscle because I've been training hard and I'm at 160. Isn't that so funny how different bodies? Well, this is the thing. It doesn't matter what's on the scale. I was kind of shocked when I stepped on the scale. I'm like, huh, okay. Yeah.
And I've got, you know, the double D boobs. I carry stuff on my tummy. But I mean, I'm always glad that I can do...
hard hikes and 45 minute cardio. And I've, I've added weights. Like I'm doing weights now, but I look at myself and I'm like, huh? You looking good girl. Like I don't, I don't stop in front of a mirror. Like I'm a solid person. You don't grab me. And it's flabby. That's what I was going to say. I know. I think that way when I'm considering, you know, someone, but like when I'm on my own, I'm happy. Like I'm not worried. I'm very confident on my own. I'd crush you. Yeah.
I mean, I just, I think, yeah, like I have, I've been heavier when I was not working out and not watching what I ate. I've lost the weight. You had a baby. Yeah.
Yeah, I had two. Yeah. You know what? You did. You did. I had two C-sections. I had, I gained pregnancy weight. Like I've, like I've been there. I will say that my default body setting is naturally slim so far. That can change with so much with age and with hormones and all of these things. But yeah, I definitely think there is a fixation. So,
societally on how we all look and it triggers for different people in different ways. And I just think a little more curiosity about where that comes from and why, and it is, is probably necessary for everybody with the increase in Ozempic. I also want to say Ozempic face is a real thing. So for many people who are like looking for this rail thin body, Sharon Osbourne, Sharon Osbourne, exactly. She looks, she looks,
So unwell. And another person, Shania Twain. And Scott Disick for men too, right? Osempic, osempic, osempic. It's making people look gaunt and older and unhealthy. They look bad. I take me any time, any fucking time, I will take my body over that shit. I agree. Agree. It just, it's not, I'm not super comfortable with it. So I don't, I knew,
you knew it was going to be a slippery slope the second that it came around, the second this drug came around and it became popular and it was the whispers in Hollywood. That's how everyone was losing weight. And then they came out with it and admitted it, which needed to happen. It's just, you knew it was going to be weird. Well, if that's your currency, if, if you are putting your appearance, like your weight, um,
above other things in your life, your character, your good heart, your ability to inspire others, your ability to be part of your community. I think women in particular, and I'll just put this out there, please encourage each other. Please tell your pals they look good. Please encourage them to put on a bathing suit. Please tell them that those jeans are great. Please tell them that, oh my God, that's so cute on you. Please encourage your friends, lift them up and encourage them.
People miss an entire summer because they don't want to be seen in a bathing suit. They miss entire lifetimes. On a podcast I edited recently, Sarah Nicole Landry, Birds Papaya on Instagram, she was saying that she was so upset about...
about missing so much with her kids before the last one that she had during the pandemic. Cause there were a bunch of years in between and that she's wearing her, her bathing suits. She's got it like a new sports illustrated thing. She just did with Nick's. She is not missing another summer. She is, you know, all about being confident in her body as it is. And I love that. Girl, when you get here, I'm going to be in my orange bikini with my side boob fat.
I'm going to be in there with my de-alcoholized Corona. Corona, please sponsor us. Are we in Texas? I love your sun beer that you have, those Coronas, those no-alcohol Coronas. I love those. When I was pregnant, I drank those things like crazy. They're the best. I have been on a Peroni kick. Peroni. You know the Italian beer? Yeah. It's so delicious. Well, obviously, Peroni stole their name from Corona. Corona. Ah!
Okay. If you're on Ozempic out there and you're trying to manage your weight, I guess I am backtracking right now because I don't want to discourage you. Some people have come to a wall in their life where they cannot budge. They cannot move that number. It's affecting their mental health. So I am going to apologize and I am going to back up a bit because if that's helping you and if it's making you happier, if it's giving you hopefulness, if getting into that smaller size, you know what?
Good on you. I guess I'm being really hypocritical, but I'm saying whatever makes you feel good, do it. But if you're feeling pressured because you think that's how you're supposed to be, that's, I think, our argument here on the podcast today is you're good no matter what you are, but we also want you to be in good health. We want your heart to keep ticking away. We want you to be able to walk with your kids safely.
We want you to be able to do all those things. But, you know, find... I guess it's balance. Hey, guys, finding that balance. That's the thing. It's like there's always like things go too far and then it's unhealthy and then things are, you know... So long as you're checking in and doing like the, I would say, like the internal look work of like how is this making me feel? How am I engaging with it? Is it healthy for me emotionally? Then, you know, go right ahead. But it's not...
It's not, it doesn't seem like, again, for all the celebs that are doing this all the time, it doesn't always seem like there's necessarily a healthy conversation happening. And it's not about that. It's about being super, super skinny. And that's also what Hollywood expects a lot of them to look like. And they live in a world where that is rewarded.
And it's rewarded with career opportunities and with positive feedback and more PR deals and all these things. So you can see how it happens. But again, it's just that curiosity about is this healthy and what role do I play in a larger system that is designed to make people spend money because we have told them to hate themselves. Like that's just not cool. That's fair. Caitlin, that's very fair. And well said. We are just going to take a real quick break. We're going to be right back. Don't go away. You're listening to the Jan Arden Podcast.
Moving on to diarrhea, because that's what we do on the show. Well, there's a connection here. Caitlin brought this story. I'm just going to hand it over to you. It's Gwyneth Paltrow. It's apparently a goop party, but fuck, Caitlin, this is so funny. What's the scoop on the goop? Well, it's related to poop.
And it's also related in a weird way to Ozempic. Oh my God. Is there, we've connected it. See, we are not randos here. We, I thought you did that on purpose. I fucking didn't. We are well organized. I did not. Okay. So what happened was there's these, there's the thing in the entertainment news world called a blind item where a publication or a tabloid will come out with a story that is making its way through the whisper networks of Hollywood or New York or wherever and
and but they they'll give semi identifying details about who this story is about but they won't actually come out and say it because they're afraid of you know litigation i'm convinced you are an lapi i should be i would love i would love that job i would love to be the demois of canada so badly anyways so um this story comes out it was a blind item i forget if it was demois or if it was somewhere else but anyways
It was said that Gwyneth Paltrow was going around telling her famous friends, inclusive of the Seinfelds, you know, and everyone else and saying that she had this party at her estate in the Hamptons and that a guest who was staying for the weekend suffered from an explosive round of diarrhea in bed. And then instead of notifying her and taking ownership of the issue, just fled the scene of the crime.
And she was, she knows who was staying in the room. But so this, so she knows who it was, but then it starts going around in the New York and Hollywood Hampton circles and everyone wants to reveal who it is, but nobody wants to be the person who reveals it. So it's going around, it's going around. And then everyone starts playing this guessing game of who had, who literally shit the bed at Gwyneth Paltrow's house. And, and,
It turned out to be a longtime celebrity sort of style commentator, man about town, who you likely won't know, who isn't even like a household name, named Derek Blasberg. And this poor guy now has been... I know. I'm sorry, too, because this is embarrassing. We're obviously not that sorry.
I mean, people poop. That is the truth. But I just love that the Daily Mail UK, you know, really down there at the bottom of the barrel sometimes for celebrity news stories, starts covering this as if it was an election, as if this was, you know, a manhunt. And they find out that, oh, it was celebrity hanger on Derek Blasberg. What does this have to do with Ozempic?
He apparently blamed it on Ozempic. And that was what picked this. That's what kind of the story gained some traction because then all these celebrities who take it and have talked about it, don't want everyone going around thinking that one of the side effects is okay. Yeah. They don't want everyone thinking that they have diarrhea in bed commonly. Like it couldn't be all the alcohol you're drinking or, or other substances. Like, yeah, I feel like they're, it's a big party and maybe,
you had too many tacos, who the heck knows. But I guess the complaint was that it was Ozempic caused diarrhea. And then everyone starts coming out and saying, Ozempic doesn't do that. And now I'm like, how much time has everyone in the tabloid world devoted to tracking down this poor guy who just is guilty of kind of being a human being? Like I feel bad for him. He's never going to leave. This story won't leave now. Poor guy.
I'm so glad that I'm not like a famous person because I have pooed my pants. The plane story, it's stuck in my brain. The plane? That was a fart. But wasn't it a shart? No, I didn't shart. I did not shart on the plane. I farted and people around me started coughing because it was so bad.
I had some stomach issues and it was one of those really quiet flights. We'd probably been in the air for three and a half hours and I was slowly trying to hold farts in so that they didn't make any noise. I mean, a good place to fart is on a plane because you have enough white noise that you can get away with, you know, a pretty good loud fart. Just saying. When you travel a lot, you know these things. But when you do have, when you hit a stinky patch, which I rarely, rarely ever have in my life, I mean that earnestly, people around me were coughing. Yeah.
But anyway, and this is, I've told this story many times, but I did, I had diarrhea. I had come from Africa. I was now in Germany. I hadn't really dealt with a parasite that I had in my stomach. It was terrible. I was slowly taking these pills, but I got on stage in Cologne, Germany. Oh, the irony is not lost on me. Cologne.
And on the first song, I had liquid hot poo going down my legs, like down my pant legs into my boot. And I literally like had tears. I just felt like bursting out crying. It was a showcase. I have tears right now. I just, I was so upset and I was so, and I was pinching my bum together and I'm trying to sing and, and I just stayed up there the whole time. And Russell's looking at me. Singing, could I be your girl with diarrhea? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. You want to hit this? I know you do. I know you do. But I just, yeah. So these moments where you do have, you know, I've certainly had experiences in my life when I've been really sick, you know, with the flu and not made it or whatever. And I, anyway, that was like in public. It was, I wasn't drunk or drinking. I obviously wasn't on any kind of weight loss medication.
And I shit my pants. I ended up, I begged Russell after the show was over and I had to do an encore because
So when, before we went on stage, I did burst into tears. And I said to Russ, you know, I'm pooing my pants and he goes, it's okay, buddy. I said, can you see it? And I'm, I'm, I'm spinning around for him so that he can look at me. Is anything showing? And he's like earnestly looking up, lifting up my jacket. There's something to be said for a girl that always wears jackets and long shirts and shit like that. And he lifted up my shirt and he said, I don't see any poo.
You know, this is true friendship. I didn't realize how close you guys were. No, we were. And I was just, I was trying. He's like, oh, come on, bud, we can do it. And we went back out. And I think, you know, we're singing Good Mother as an encore. This would have been in the 90s. Having to do an encore with diarrhea is cruel and unusual punishment. Why don't you just call the encore off the one night is my question. You just can't. I just couldn't.
People were like, oh, it's Germany. They're like, they got their beer steins in their hand. They're waving their pretzels in the air. And I'm just like, I got to go do this. I'm kidding, of course. And anyway, I ended up, Russell went and got my suitcase afterwards. I'm now crying in the bathroom stall. He's rolled my suitcase in. I roll these pants up and I fucking stuff them in the garbage. But I'm so self-conscious that I've now wrapped, I'm wrapping these
And it was like watery. It was like, it was so awful. So I wrapped them in all these paper towels to put the pants in the garbage because I was so embarrassed of even the janitors finding this stuff. And then I got myself cleaned up and I threw the underpants in the garbage and I got paper towel and I got soapy and I washed my legs off and I'm bawling my head off. And then I put on clean jeans and it just felt so good to put on clean jeans and get out of there. And my heart was skippy.
Of course. Anyway, it is not fun to poo your pants. So Derek, I'm sorry that we've outed you. I'm obviously telling the story that is more horrible than your story. I would have rather shit the bed at Gwyneth Paltrow's house than go through what I went through. I'd rather be in Gwyneth's 1,400 fucking thread count sheets and shit in them than go through what I went through.
With an audience, yeah. Well, and then you think about too, like I listened to, you know, from Weekend Update on SNL, Colin Jost. He said a conversation that he had early on in his relationship with Scarlett Johansson, who he's now married to, was that he frequently shit his pants. And when he realized that she never had, he's like, I approached this from a place of, isn't this an annual occurrence for most people? Yeah.
And she was like, no, this has never happened to me. And he was like, oh, I might have like digestive issues. And she was like, yeah, you should probably go talk to your doctor if this happens a lot. But I was like, this guy could have had Norwalk. Like he could have had norovirus. Because when I was in New York and I was super sick, I'll tell you. Oh, yeah. Before I got on that flight, when I left the hotel that day and I left the safety of being within six feet of a toilet, I was so full of Imodium and Gravol. I cannot even tell you. I...
And I don't think I ate properly for a full week after. Like, it's a mess. And so what are you supposed to do? You get food poisoning. You happen to be at Gwyneth Paltrow's house. It's like the worst possible situation. But you crap the bed. And anyone who has had any kind of pants ruining incident knows there is no greater fear in life than when you are part of a society that is going to very publicly shame you for this. But like, you can't help it.
I once got so high that I thought I peed my pants. I'll say that. I didn't. You got so high? Or something else. Yeah, I smoked so much weed when I was in high school once at a party that I convinced myself that I peed my pants. Because I don't know if anyone else ever has this, but if you get too high, sometimes I hold my pee. I've never smoked. I've smoked hot water. You've never smoked weed? No, I don't know. Do you ever have this thing where you feel like sometimes when you get too high, you realize when you go to the bathroom, you're like, I've been holding my pee for like two hours? Shrooms, but not weed. Okay, interesting. So weed for me. I'm so glad I'm with young people.
I love hearing the stories of the young people. And shrooms hurt your tummy. They can. Oh, they definitely can. Yeah. Yeah. Don't give yourself a hefty dose of mushrooms, everyone, if you're not close to a toilet. I still think about you seeing cubed people, but everything was cubed. It was cubist. Caitlin took some shrooms years ago and everything was fine. And then that two hour mark, everything kicks in and the fucking dogs were cubed. The cars were cubed. The people were cubed. They were like...
I literally stepped foot, like my one foot exited the illegal nightclub I was in and I walked outside and everything transitioned from regular life to cubism. And I was like, I'm going to have to, this is going to be an interesting car ride home. And it was, it was really fun. My square driver was wonderful and I didn't have any stomach issues. So it was great. Oh my God. I think I would be phoning 911. I just have no...
I just reality. I don't know. But those are really, really funny stories. I've heard so many funny stories. They're like, they're so funny.
I feel like the bathroom is like a chapter when it resets almost. Like when you go to the bathroom. Yes. When you're alone with yourself and maybe not in the comfort of other people for those few minutes, you're like, oh, how much am I feeling this? Or did I pee my pants? Or whatever it is. I can't believe where this conversation is going. Oh my, or sometimes you're not aware of what's like, of like how you're doing on the scale of things. And then I'll go to my friend's bathroom and the floor is tiled and the floor is like breathing. And I'm like, okay. Okay.
All right. Well, we've had enough. Now, do you think those days are over for you, Caitlin? Like as far as, well, you've got Will and-
And, you know, you're 40 now and not that age should. I mean, I know people that just start taking mushrooms when they're 75. My father is on a wait list to go to Burning Man. So like, I don't know that. I mean, so, yeah, it just depends. I also like when I say mushrooms, I'm not talking like a hero dose. Like I'm I'm talking like micro doses. I don't like the feeling of being out of control. It is undesirable to me.
So I think the thing with things like micro dosing and the conversation that now happens around certain drugs like mushrooms and weed for sure is around like smaller teeny tiny doses so that you're never going too far and you're you're.
anteing things up at a rate with which you're comfortable. And of course this is like, everyone has to be the right age. So I do feel like, yeah, I know my constitution. I'm not an addictive personality. Like, thank God. I just am not. What if Will became a cube? See, now that's the thing.
that's the problem. You're like, as a parent, you really never want to be in a situation where you're in trouble with like your psyche and your surroundings. Because like if, if things go sideways, it's like, it's not good. And I'm an anxious person as well. So like, I can't really enjoy that the same way. I don't even like being hung over around him even slightly. Cause I just feel like a deadbeat. So yeah, that changes. But I mean, as he gets older or when you have time away with your partner, if we're like traveling or something like that, who's to say, um,
So I don't know. I'm not sure. And I didn't even like, I didn't, I was like, I was freaked out by mushrooms when I was a lot younger too. So I don't know. I won't rule it out. Well, I'm, I'm a fan of all that stuff. And by that, I mean, I would much rather see people doing mushrooms and smoking pot or taking,
CBD or any of those tinctures than alcohol anytime. I think alcohol ruins lives, ruins bodies.
I've talked about this before. You don't see stoned guys jumping out of their cars on a Saturday night, beating the shit out of each other. They're like, hey, nice shirt. I love your car, man. It's cool. Let's go back to your place and eat stuff. Like, hey, you're a cube right now. Holy crap, man. You look like, I don't know, but I really am a fan of the medical medicinal stuff.
Those qualities and all the tests they're doing with PTSD and LSD, all the different little, like you said, these micro doses. I think there's good things coming in the future for people that suffer from depression and chronic anxiety. Well, especially for things like PTSD. Yeah.
And I think that there is a lot of, if you're curious about it and you want to look into it and like study it, there's a lot of, there's a lot of benefits. And because so many of these substances were deemed illegal and were just given this classification that meant they were never actually researched and we don't know the full potential of them. But I mean, you look at how, for example, you know, Indigenous societies have used things like
peyote over, over like years and years. And they use it to treat things like trauma quite successfully, like trauma within communities, the trauma of systemic racism, but also people who are alcoholics. Um, and they'll talk about sort of this like
mind altering thing in a good way, like changing, making, you know, increasing your, what connecting to spirit, connecting to spirit. And also like, yeah, when you're on certain types of these drugs, you know, there's a thing called neuroplasticity, which means that you're more open to the suggestion and introduction of
positive ideas, if you've been stuck in a very negative mental space. And that's just a habit that your brain has to be trained out of. So again, if anyone's ever interested in this stuff, there's a great author called Michael Pollan. He's a journalist, and I believe he's a professor at a few universities as well. And he wrote a book called This Is Your Mind on Plants.
And I just like his work. I read it a long time ago. He's done some great work around, you know, diet and just health in general. And he explores the, you know, since humans were on this planet, we have looked to alter our lives.
state of mind with plants, whether that's caffeine, whether that's, you know, peyote, whether that is, you know, the history of opioids. He really dug into it. And I thought from a kind of investigative perspective, it's really interesting stuff. It can be really interesting. There's a couple of great podcasts if you want to check them out too. Bioactive is a good one with like a ton of research. It's hosted by a professor in the States.
who actually does research on the chemistry of all the drugs and the psychotherapist on the network, Spicy Fat, and Karlyn Costa, she's certified to implement and integrate cannabis or psilocybin into patients that she treats. Yeah. And I mean, I have friends who were, you know, drug resistant or friends, family members who were drug resistant to antidepressants and they had medically supervised ketamine sessions. Yeah. That's supposed to be helping too.
Yeah, there's lots of potential here. So much research. Yeah, I sway away from, you know, like making any grand declarations. Oh, me? I'm never going to do that either. And I'm also all into someone who has a glass of red wine because...
They want to relax at night. You know what I mean? Everything has a place, but... He also, in this book, Michael Pollan talks about how there is like a, I guess, an ancient sort of saying that says the poison is in the dose, meaning you can die from over-consuming water. So any substance can be lethal with the wrong dose. Aspirin, Advil, there's so many. Tide pods, you never want to do more than one of those. Don't have more than one tide pod, everybody. Yeah.
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Well, listen, while we're still on farting, shitting, drugs and stuff like that, this is another story that Caitlin brought to the table and it's a Delta flight. And I read about this as well. Oh my God. You know, imagine 300 people on a flight. It's summer travel. Even things are delayed. You finally get on your plane, you're sitting in there and they served a meal. I don't know if there's any two scarier words in the English language put together than spoiled meat. Ugh.
When I hear spoiled meat. You don't have to tell me twice. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So this is what was apparently the culprit on board. It was that there was some sort of spoiled meat that was served to people as part of their in-flight meal. And so it starts that people are really quite sick. Two bathrooms on a plane. Imagine 300 people.
They immediately decide that they're like, this is now too far gone. We have to land the plane. Too many people are sick. So they make this emergency landing and emergency medical responders met the plane when it arrived and immediately treated 12 passengers. So they said they don't know how many, there's 277 people on board. They don't know how many of them got sick. Um,
But yeah, Delta just basically said, you know, we apologize to our customers for, you know, the inconvenience and delay in their travels. But I just increasingly do we not feel like I have an ax to grind with air travel? Like, why does it feel so much worse? I mean, everything in life feels a little bit worse lately since like the pandemic and everything. But if I hear one more story about like a Boeing whistleblower, you know, killing himself in their car or like a plane just
auto landing itself or diarrhea running down the aisle of a plane or someone trying to, you know, unhook the emergency door mid-flight. I'm like, we need trains. We need trains back, everyone. We need high-speed rail. I think we need to go back to like a steamboat era. I feel... We need a passenger...
We need some paddle wheeler. We need some paddle wheelers. We jumped the shark on air travel because every two days there's a story that makes me never want to get on a plane again. What about a simple ride on mower? You know, how hard is that? Point A to point B. Listen, when you have a system called capitalism that fuels your economy. So this is about saving money. You cannot tell me.
that someone made a decision to serve things that were improperly stored somewhere along that chain of command. Someone made a decision to pack up, you know, 320 meals, put them on a plane that may have been left out. Or I just find it very suspect that that many meals are tainted. That means a lot of food that was stored in one communal place. But anyway, it's about saving money and it's about how can, how cost effective can we be?
And it always takes it getting to that point. Now they're going to be facing lawsuits. I mean, Boeing, they're just... They're going to be pleading guilty for... They owe like $250 million in fines. I think it should be more. And that's with...
The 737 MAX crashes. Yeah, with all those crashes that were not coincidental. They were definitely, you know... Well, then the whistleblowers all wound up dead. Isn't that interesting? And then one of the Boeing executives, when he was being questioned in front of some form of the U.S. government, admitted to the fact that they were targeting these whistleblowers with intimidation campaigns.
So whether or not they're, you know, directly or indirectly responsible for giving someone a mental health crisis, like who knows? But the whistleblowers, some of them were frequently people who were commenting on the fact that they had rolled back their unions. They had rolled back their unionized safety checks at these events.
plants that were building the planes. And so they said, it's no surprise to us that these planes have become less and less safe. The more you erode unions and the effectiveness of the unions that do their desire to do their jobs, you know, but so like you said, Jan, like it's all just coming down to saving a buck. It sure is. Well, the WestJet pilot, the mechanics that went on strike two weeks ago, uh,
that they're still trying to catch up with like 150,000 odd, you know, people that were, their travel was really disrupted, but those, the mechanics just wanted more money. And the argument could be like, there's a lot of people out there. Listen, if you don't like what you're making in your job, quit your job, go find another job because you're,
And really, that is the baseline of everyone working everywhere on the planet right now, whether you're working at a coffee shop, whether you're working in retail, whether you're working... People obviously want to make more money. So when you have a group of individuals that strike that are in very important jobs, the feeling for me is these are guys that are obviously in very, very important positions, like you said, the safety and the maintenance of these aircrafts that are used...
sometimes for 24, 36 hours at a time. They pull in, they're refueled, they go. And I know that there's a point where they absolutely have to be parked. They have to be looked at. And the maintenance is quite, quite astringent. But you know, you're like, just fucking pay these people because they could make our lives really hard. And who's looking after the plane. So there's a sense of urgency there.
Yeah. And it also depends on what's happening with the company financially on its own. Right. So if you say to yourself, well, you're giving for executives tens of millions of dollars in bonuses annually, but you're refusing to pay the people who actually construct your planes and are responsible for the safety, security and well-being of your passengers.
the appropriate amount. And if you structure the bonuses of these executives on not giving any raises to their employees, which is frequently the case. So you think to yourself, these managers are rewarded each year financially for not increasing their costs of their budgets. And so when they, when they,
When you create a financial incentive for the one person in charge of hundreds to never reward them or pay them properly, you've lost any sort of moral or ethical argument about how much you can or can't afford. And it's the same thing we see with, you know, the grocery barons. I was going to say that's the global economic system. That is the entire system globally is the very few that are in charge of food.
billions of us and control the narrative of how the world economic stage really functions. I mean, they're having the NATO summit right now. And I think they're in New York City meeting for three days. And it's like the richest people deciding what's going to happen to the poorest people.
Yes. And that's, and so we are a little, I will say like you can feel it, you know, in the global climate and with the news headlines, like we're a little overdue for some movement in that area. You're not going to see them get bad fucking chicken at any of their dinners. I'll guarantee you that right now. They're not going to be, they're not going to be shitting anywhere.
No, they're pooping probably on the poor. I mean, like, it's very, it's very clear the way this works. So I do, again, if you see like a strike happen and you are personally inconvenienced by said strike, say here, for example, in Ontario with the LCBO and you find yourself saying, well, they don't like what they're raking, then they can go quit their job. Tell people what the LCBO is for people listening that don't know what that is.
The Liquor Control Board of Ontario is the government body that is in charge of selling alcohol. Run by the government and controlled by the government. It is a very rare piece of government asset that actually makes a ton of money. So for it to go on strike, they're on strike right now for two weeks, I think. We're losing hundreds of millions of dollars probably in lost revenue. That goes directly towards funding things. But your premier has created websites to direct people to...
to non-governmental places to buy their wine and beer and their liquor, which is so funny. The intent behind this is fairly obvious. I think it's on fairly clear display that if we lived in a society during the pandemic where we had
regular citizens scrambling to put together a website to point out where you could go get COVID vaccinations or find COVID tests. But the government has the LCBO going strike and immediately puts together a real time map of where you can buy alcohol. I think you can recognize that. Oh my God. So we're living in an idiocracy. Like that's truly what's actually happened. And so, and great cottage, Mr. Ford that you're showing off there as you're on the grill. I like a cottage. I just also think people should be able to find,
Yeah, they can create that, but that's exactly right. They cannot create a real-time map where there's a doctor right now that is actually can take 200 patients in the next three weeks. So please sign up, but it doesn't exist. But in, you know, and again, this is this through line. This is this buck a beer. This is this booze being sold at convenience stores. There's
There's a theme.
And the LCBO makes a fortune and they should and could, you know, engage more meaningfully with their workers about what a fair deal would look like. And the answer is ultimately not going to be to privatize the sale of alcohol because we would then lose this very, very incredible revenue generating stream for things like healthcare and schools and roads. You want to complain about the roads falling apart. It's all connected. So I think that,
it's easy to be annoyed immediately with the strike, especially like when it's an airline and your flights, you're, you know, when you're really put out by things like that. But the larger system that that is a part of is kind of the more important conversation to have. Cause I want safety checks for planes. I don't know about everyone else, but I really like the idea of that. We all do. We all want to be safe up there, but, but like you said, there's a lot of things falling through the cracks and,
More and more people are flying. Since COVID kind of officially ended, traveling has gone up exponentially. I mean, travel all over the world. They're even trying to...
like have selling times, like even at the Parthenon, like, like say in Greece where used to, you know, people could just show up and go visit their favorite monuments and things like that and just walk around freely. And now sort of in the last 10, 12 months, you have to get a time and a ticket and they're only allowing so many people at a time. I did that. Yeah, exactly. There's a lake here called Emerald Lake. That's about an hour and 20 minutes away.
directly west from here and it's this beautiful it's a mountain lake it's glacial water as blue as you can possibly the silt in the in the lake makes it this incredible emerald color and you used to be able to drive there like up until like even a year ago drive your car up park it was some it was a nuts getting a parking spot but eventually if you waited
You'd get one. Well, now you cannot drive a car up there. You have to park at the bottom of the hill in these massive parking lots. Now take buses up and you have to have a reservations to go because they're so overwhelmed by tourism. And it's kind of sad, like even going to Banff Lake Louise. Now it's almost impossible. You're shoulder to shoulder, just getting around because tourism has just people are, are out doing stuff. I'm not sure what or why, but,
I just want to be home. So I'm not going to be one of those people wandering around. Have you seen what's been happening in Barcelona that's popped up recently? So in Barcelona, they have all these anti-tourism protesters that are now firing water pistols. At tourists. When they see them, you know, in these tourist-heavy parts of the city, and they assume that they're tourists. I mean, I don't know that they're... They're not wearing like a badge that says tourist, but they assume that they're not locals. And yeah, it's this...
That would be scary, getting shot. I would think so too. Someone pointing a water pistol at you and squeezing water. I mean, the sad part is, is that tourism fuels almost all of these economies. Full stop, period, zero.
It's tourism that, you know, Greece is in such an economic disaster. That government is so broken. The country's broke. If it wasn't for tourism in those places, there would be a lot more problems over there than there is now. So the tourists are a blessing and a curse. I get that.
but it's just part of the world. In Barcelona, I think, and a major thing that has really changed, you know, within recent years is that you can rent private apartments now on Airbnb. And so they're saying that you're contributing to the housing crisis in many of these popular tourist destination cities. They're saying that every
Exactly. So it's like that was part of the protest that popped up in Barcelona. But the same sentiment exists in New York or London or Paris or here in Toronto. And they are also saying that while tourism, yes, is a huge economic boost for all of these cities, the money that is brought in from tourism is then never trickled down to social services. Right.
So as much as, you know, they're like, yeah, sure. It brings in a lot of money. But again, the question becomes for who? But I just saw the footage of these people who clearly just wanted to go see like the Sagrada Familia in Barcelona. And they were just sitting there eating their patatas bravas, getting squirted with water guns. I was like, I don't know. I mean, like it's a, it's one way to get your message across because now it's a, well, I'm talking about it. I read it in the headlines, but I just felt bad for all the families I saw. I was like, Ooh, that's kind of a bummer.
Did we get any voice notes this week, Sarah? We have messages, but no voice notes. And I'm happy to read you a few. What's going on with people? What...
We need voice notes, people. Am I going to have to start phoning our own site again? I'm going to. I'm going to leave a voice. As soon as I hang up from this podcast, I'm leaving us a voice note. So we got some messages. Also, we have put some posts out on all our socials about the Ask Us Anything episode that we'll do in the near future. Voice notes will be played in the Ask Us Anything episode. So if you got a question, might as well.
try a voice note. And we will try and answer the uncomfortable stuff too. Like, don't think we're just going to skip to like the obvious, these questions. We're going to, maybe I'll pick some questions for Caitlin and I'll pick some questions for you. You guys don't get to pick your own questions and I won't pick my own questions either. The girls can pick for me. And I promised to tell you other places that I've shit. Okay, go ahead.
You guys did the ask me kind of ask us questions thing when you were on tour with Rick Mercer. And I loved what's out there was one question that was the celebrity throuple. Who would you be in a celebrity throuple with? I thought that was funny, but I'm just trying to get everyone's like creative juices flowing. Cause sometimes when you say like, ask a question, I think it's hard to like think of what you'd even want to know. A lot of people were like, Oh my God, how long do I have to think about this? I want to have a really good question. So you have time. You have lots of time, but also you can just ask like,
You can ask anything you want. Virginity, what buildings I've thrown up on in Calgary, worst sexual experience. Best concert, worst concert. People that I have a crush on right now. Hottest topic in the group chat. Does your group chat have a name? And if so, what is it? These are all things you could ask us about. It's going to be a whole hour of questions. So your questions could very well make it on. So here's what we got in the last week.
Heather has written in on our website. Hi, Jan. I was listening to one of your podcasts recently and you mentioned the cost of walnuts at Safeway. My husband and I enjoy walnuts almost every day. I buy them from a place called Rancho Vignola online. They are located in Armstrong, BC. They source the nuts, seeds, and from around the world. The walnuts are the best I've ever had. I buy them in five pound bags.
Store them in the freezer. I'm confident that once you try these walnuts, you will never go back. Check them out online. Thank you. And I'm going to check them out. Okay. Walnuts are fricking expensive. I know. Now this one came in at like two in the morning. Okay. So we got somebody who's up. Hey, Jan. I've listened to every episode of the show. Love them all. However, this has been one of the top five for sure. That was for the last week's episode. What was last week? Which was Jeff versus Doug. Oh my God.
I am 63 and can so relate to summer romance, but I'm here to tell you, Jen, my favorite time to start a romance is February. In case you don't believe in love at first sight, this is a thing. I lived it, and we both felt the same way. Still in love. We've never married. And on another note, the bee story, Caitlin, made my eyes...
I can just picture the little boy and all the adults rallying around to help the beef. I loved it. Well done. Keep up the great storytelling. You really do not need special guests unless it's me.
Then you have your people. Call my people, in which case I'll be happy to join. Well, thank you for that. No, no, that's really sweet. Thank you so much. So yeah, voice notes. More voice notes next week. We want to feature you in an upcoming episode. I'm calling in. We understand you take vacations too, but sending in a voice note is not a heavy lift. Also too, sometimes when it's like they ask us anything, it doesn't even have to be questions about, you know, our life.
lives or the show, it can also be, you know, for advice. We can look up scientific shit too. Like if you have a quandary about, we got the Google, you know, these girls, Caitlin and Sarah, they can, they can do some recon. They can find out. You guys are amazing as always. Thank you for being earnest and candid and forthright and bringing all these great stories week after week. Hope everyone's having a great summer. I hope you're listening to the Jans, J.
jam summer playlist. I was listening to it all day yesterday. I had workers here working on my hot tub. We got a few little issues, but we're getting there. Did you tell them, I made this playlist, guys. You should like it. I didn't say anything, but the very, very handsome Brazilian gentleman named Davidson, who's a member of the Canadian bobsled team, Olympic bobsled team, was in my yard yesterday, 30 years old, and I had feelings for you, Davidson. Like,
But what a nice guy. Anyway, he was, they were both great. Him and Charlie did such a great job in my yard, but they both loved the music. It was, it was our summer jams. And so anyway, thanks for listening. Thanks for subscribing. Thanks for leaving us a review. It helps other listeners find our podcast.
Have a great rest of your weekend. It's going to be hot. I'm going to let Caitlin leave you just with a few thoughts about these heat warnings and stuff, and then we'll say goodbye. But yeah, there's some shit going on. The heat warning that's been happening all across Canada is pretty crazy. And here in Toronto, it's been, you know, 40 degrees fairly regularly. What's that? I know, it's wild. But so they're telling everyone to really take the heat seriously, especially if you have...
Let's say older neighbors or somebody who's like a vulnerable member of the population, especially if you know someone who doesn't have air conditioning. A lot of these rental buildings in Toronto, a lot of them in Quebec as well, it's not having air conditioning at a rental apartment in Montreal is pretty commonplace. So it shouldn't be anymore. Schools need air conditioning. Homes need air conditioning because they're saying it's leading to a spike in deaths across the globe because of heat-related deaths that happen during these crazy heat waves.
We're not built for it, folks. We're just not built for it. It's too hot, genuinely. I know we always say as Canadians. And a fan doesn't cut it. Fan doesn't cut it. And when people are like, oh, we complain all winter about the weather, then we complain in the summer. But like this is objectively too hot just from like a health perspective. So take it seriously. If you have one of those little like, like the,
like a pug or a French bulldog, they can't be outside for very long. Everyone as a owner, a former owner of a French bulldog and their little feet on hot pavement, man, you've got, you've got flip flops on. Please do not take your dog on hot pavement. You can really screw up their feet. And for God's sakes, if I see a dog in a car, I'm going to bust your fucking window. I'm going to smash your fucking window and I will go to jail. I don't give a shit. But if your dog's in there, I'm busting your window. I carry a tactical pen, so I really will do it. So there you go. No, it's, it's not right.
There was a woman a few days ago that left her child in a, thank God the child's okay. She was in a casino and just wouldn't stop gambling and had her kid strapped in a car seat in a car with rolled up windows. What kind of person? Well, they caught her. They caught her and her child is now with hopefully family members. I don't think it went to social services, but you know, she's just claiming it wasn't in there that long, but they have video footage. Okay.
What about tar and feathering? Can we bring that back? Is that frowned upon now as a society? I would even go with honey and flax seeds. Anything. Because that would be god-awful too. And then we'll bake you. Yeah, done, in your own car. The views of the show expressed by these two women are not necessarily... Listen, just be sensible out there. Drink your water. I was telling you girls a while ago, I was walking in Toronto, it was two weeks ago,
I thought, you know, left at noon from my condo and I scared myself 40 minutes in. I dodged into a Starbucks. I was super overheated. I got myself like an $8 drink, but I scared myself and I won't do that again. I'm golfing today. We're taking a cart.
I'm wearing a hat. I'm wearing layers. I'm doing a linen long sleeve shirt. I'm doing SPF 5,000. And I'm just going to, I'm going to make sure we take it easy. Like I'm not going to march around. It's supposed to be 32 here today. So we've got, I just opened the weather in Toronto right now. We have everything.
Two weather alerts, a heat warning, and a special weather statement. Oh, yeah, because Hurricane Burl, or now Tropical Storm Burl, is making its way. The remnants of it is making its way up here after it laid waste to the Caribbean. I hope you get some rain. Get some rain. The warnings tomorrow could be up to 20 to 40 millimeters per hour.
I'm bringing a rain poncho to the concert tonight. I'm scared. Yeah, I don't know. As you tell me that you're going to an outdoor concert tonight and taking a bike there, I'm like, I might be in an SUV. I'm worried about you too. Can you not Uber it down? But that's like 45 minutes. I can bike there and be in and out in 20 minutes. No, you're making a great point on that. And I'm... Hat?
Hat, helmet, all the things. Water. Okay, all the things. I bring a water. I bring my refillable water bottle to the venue. Oh, yeah. Shout out to that. What's that again? Can you mention it? A broadcast friend of Caitlin and I, her name is Sarah Christie. She has a great podcast called The Earth Care Show. And Jan, you would love this because it's all like sustainable stuff. So she's got this-
She's got this Fans Choose to Reuse campaign, and they're these collapsible water bottles. The Hideaway, it's a 17-ounce collapsible water bottle. Oh, I love that. I can wear one of those little, like everyone has the Lulu bag or the Lowell bag from Costco, the flat one. This fits in. Look how thin this is. And you can just fill it with water. That's fantastic. So all these venues, you can just refill water. Like I don't even need to buy a beer anywhere. I just pull this out of my thing and...
I'm good to go. And can I just put this out there? Yeah. That could also act as an emergency diaphragm. If you don't want the wiener going all the way in,
I suggest you place that very carefully with the lid off, and that way you will not get pregnant. I'm just, you know, I'm not a scientist. I'm not a doctor, but I'm saying if your vagina is big enough, you could use that. I'll put the link in the show notes if you're interested, but also on her website, there's a list of venues that allow for refillable water bottles. She's really into this stuff. So there you go. Okay. So drum roll, everyone. We are starting a Patreon.
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