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All right. Welcome back to another episode of the Psychopedia podcast. I am your co-host, Hank Sinatra, here with my pro host. Investigator Slater. Surprise. I love it. I know. Pro host. I thought of that one way earlier today and I was rubbing my hands like, oh, fuck. Did you write it down in a note? No. Oh, so you remembered it? To be honest with you, I was excited to say it and
And then I forgot about it completely until I was about to just say that. And then it came to me again. Well, that's why I was asking if you wrote it down. I'm great with prompts. Props. Like, what do you mean? Prompts. Oh, prompts. Prompt-ses. I think you mispronounced something there. Oh, I did. How did it feel to do it on air? It felt great. I can't wait. Listen, obviously, we're not even a minute in. The biggest announcement we have to make is what? What do you think it is? Merch.
And they just said there's merch. I got a podcast that I like. I am living in psychopedia threads.
Yeah. Living. And what a great job. Like they all look, everything looks fantastic. I was surprised to see, by the way, the link for the merch is going to be in our pinned stories on Instagram. Okay. Psychopedia pod. I didn't even know that. That's where you'll be able to find it. When that guy sent us the link and there was a
onesie that said semen demon people were talking about putting them on their dogs I love it we should possibly consider making bandanas for dogs or
or a dog t-shirt, you know? Why not? With Cashy's face. I am devastated to report that my lips are still chapped. I have something for you. Oh my gosh. I'm so glad that you reminded me. Yeah. Hold on. The next merch that's going to come out is going to be Chapped Lips Gang, CLG Represent, and all of those proceeds are going to go to my lip surgery when I inevitably have to get them removed. Try this, Cash. You ready? No.
Oh, nice throw, kind of. Cocoa butter formula. Good. Did you try it? Did I try it? Oh, okay. It's still in the bag. No, no, not that. I'm saying not the one I just bought you. No, I haven't tried it. But here's what I've gone through in the last 10 days or so. Chapstick. Started off with chapstick, obviously. Then I went to Aquaphor. I was like, Aquaphor is definitely going to fucking cure it. Probably the number one suggested item on all of our forums when you mentioned having chap lips. Yeah. Then I switched to Vaseline with cocoa butter.
Then I graduated to some harder stuff where I got Orogel. Because I was like, at this point, I can't handle my lips burning so bad. I'd rather just have them be numb. And they feel weird, but at least they feel weird a different way, which I can handle for a little while. Then I got Orogel...
Medicated lip-numbing herpes medicine. Wonderful. Because I'm at my wit's end with this stuff. Then somebody on our Patreon recommended that I get cortisone ointment because I already had cortisone cream. I also did put...
gold bond medicated fucking cream on my lips fire in my face i wiped it right off i was like fuck that i thought you had some success when you busted open vitamin e capsules i did i did bust open vitamin e capsules and uh great and that felt good for a little while so i've graduated from herpes medicine i'm at the german diaper rash cream phase of the chapped lips have you
Have you tried butt paste? I have penitent cream. Try butt paste. I know, I know. It's the same. I don't know. Butt paste is a miracle product. Well, penitent cream is what we used to use when we were little. And I put it on the other day before I went to bed and I woke up and my whole mouth was white and Jessica thought I died. You're foaming at the mouth.
It was not great. I'm going to feel really good about myself when you try the product I just bought for you and it works. God, I hope it works. I hope so too because honestly, your lips are screaming right now. Are they still? Yeah, I can see them across the room. They're bright red.
It's not good. It's very sad for me to see you in pain like this. I have another, I'm going to go to the dermatologist this week. That was going to be my next suggestion. Obviously, you've tried everything at this point. What I saw on Google and my medical knowledge, this is some form of precancerous. Your medical knowledge, WebMD? Yeah. No, Google also. WebMD is like, it's just the tip of the iceberg. All my medical advice I get from TikTok,
And threads. Speaking of TikTok. Yeah. Oh, shit. Yeah. Oh, shit. Yeah. So I have a funny story about that. So my nieces were over when I made my first TikTok, which Tank has posted on our Instagram page and it's posted on Investigator Slater TikTok as well. And I was telling my nieces about it, right? And I was going out last night to dinner. So I was like all dressed up and I was like, girls, TikTok.
guess what? I made my first TikTok reel. They're like, Aunt Brookie, it's not a reel. I'm like, okay. I'm like, okay. I made my first whatever, TikTok video. They're like, Aunt Brookie, it's not a TikTok video. I was like, I made my first TikTok film. And they were like, how can somebody who looks so cool be so lame? I felt so stupid. I was like, just tell me what to say, girls. They were like, you made a TikTok. It's just a TikTok. Good to know. But then...
But then there's people who on Instagram go, oh, did you see my TikTok on Instagram? Bro, are you fucking shot? I empathize. That reminds me, oh my God, I just remembered something I haven't thought of in 15 years. When I was working at Prime, I was jacked, obviously. Obviously. Prime is a restaurant in Huntington, by the way. Don't worry about it. Long Island. Yeah, Long Island. New York, America, Earth for our interstellar listeners. And I came in with a tank top one day and this girl goes...
It was cute, but it's like, you have no idea about anything. She goes, damn, dude, how much do you squat when you bench? And I was like, what? Damn, dude, how much do you eat when you drink? Well, I feel a lot better about myself now. Thank you for that. Everyone has issues with talking. If you're enjoying Psychopedia Pod, please rate it.
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Unhinged on Patreon, patreon.com slash psychopediapod, where we have a blast over there. And the cases are so much more fun. Because they're not cases. They're about you. I know. If you see a pattern emerging, I'm aware of it. Okay. First step is to identify that you have a problem. I do. Yes. Now it's a problem, but... All right. Without further dry, irritated, chapped lips, why don't we hear about this week's case? All right. Let's do it. And I will stop talking.
During my college days at the University of Maryland, on a particularly frigid winter evening in January of my junior year, I made my customary pilgrimage to the Wawa convenience store for an oversized late night cheese and cucumber sandwich specially crafted by everyone's favorite employee, Wanda Moo. We said it at the same time. I was going to ask if you saw Wanda Moo as soon as I possibly could. Wanda Moo was the man.
That guy is the happiest man on the earth. Legend. Herma smile. Yes, yes. And he was very good at making sandwiches. He was.
So Wawa was like, for those who don't know, a scene straight out of a college party playbook as I joined the ranks of my friends venturing into the frosty night for booze, boys, and bready goodness. The clock struck 1.30 a.m. that night, a time that now feels positively unholy for still being out. And the inside of Wawa was a familiar hub of complete college chaos.
Picture rowdy frat boys, cackling barefoot sorority girls choosing cold, dirty feet over wearing high heels for another second, and at least one townie bumming cigarettes for good measure, right? All in all, a typical Saturday night at good old UMD. Until, that is, at about 1.40 a.m., when the night took an unexpected turn as one of my friends reached down to grab a zesty bag of Funyuns.
Have you ever had Funyuns, by the way? I know they exist. I don't know that I've ever had Funyuns. Don't bother. Okay, that's what I thought. Because at the precise moment when my friend bent down to grab that savory, nasty-ass snack, the door to Wawa aggressively swung open, bringing in a gust of frigid air, the distant vibration of a thumping bass, and a seriously unhinged individual. Really? Because before my friend even had the chance to stand up after reaching down for the Funyuns,
Yeah. Yeah.
Oh.
And sadly, this assault was not their first rodeo. I'm ashamed to admit that at the time, at 20 years old, it never dawned on me that my male friend might be caught in an abusive relationship with a woman. Even worse, he faced ridicule for allowing a girl to push him around and was taunted after that incident for being a little bitch and pussy whipped.
Looking back, those reactions were completely off-base and ignorant. And he deserved a much more compassionate and respectful response from those who suspected the abuse he was enduring, whether behind closed doors or in the midst of a bustling late-night convenience store. Now, undoubtedly, the issue of domestic violence against women stands as a profoundly grave and pressing concern deserving of a central position on the societal stage.
It's a serious and widespread problem that necessitates relentless focus and united efforts to prevent and eradicate. Yet, in the midst of this imperative, one must ask, how much attention is given to the plight of men facing domestic violence?
Surprisingly, statistics reveal that one in four men has encountered some form of physical violence at the hands of an intimate partner. One in four? Yep. I know, I was shocked too. And one in seven has suffered severe physical abuse from such partners over their lifetimes. I have a question for you. You might not know the answer to. Do you know what the reverse statistic is? How many women have been a victim of domestic violence? Yes, it's one in three women. Wow. So the question then arises...
Why is the narrative of male victims not as prevalent as it should be? Even if it's not as high statistically as women, it's still happening. Why do we tend to neglect the notion that violence and abuse transcend gender boundaries? Today, we are discussing the case of an individual in England who narrowly survived near-fatal, ongoing, horrific domestic abuse at the hands of his girlfriend-turned-wife. Yeah, that's sad.
So women beating men in a heterosexual relationship, right, is not as common as men beating women. I mean, one in four is pretty close to one in three. It's not like it's 5%, right? So I wonder, just like you said that the kid was ridiculed, I wonder if men don't report it as much. Hank. You know what I'm going to say? Yeah, you're spot on.
Per usual. If that's the same reason why women don't report sexual assault as much. Wow, I'm fucking... We come around to this, but a big part of why men don't come forward and why the statistics may not be as accurate for men is because there's a different type of
and embarrassment experienced when the male is at the receiving end of an abusive relationship. Yeah. And it doesn't have to be super violent, aggressive domestic abuse. Like I have a friend whose father used to go through that. Yeah.
It was bad enough. It wasn't like, you know, constant beating and like just vicious on the floor kicking and whatever. But like if you're a kid and you see your mom violently punch your dad in the face. It's just as unacceptable. Yes. For that to happen. However infrequently it's happening. Yeah. Then it is for it to be happening to women. Yeah. No, 100%. Putting hands on people is just the most immature childish thing. It's worse than immature. It's... Well, just shows... I mean, immature in a way that it's like...
you have no faculties over yourself. You've lost control. Yeah. And that's like, you should, you learn how to do it by the age of eight or nine. But I'll tell you, I want to circle back to that idea of being out of control after you've heard this case because the perpetrator in this case was very, very much in control. She knew exactly what she was doing. This wasn't an explosive, you know, apologetic. Oh God. This was an ongoing, calculated, manipulative, abusive,
systemic breakdown of the guy's entire existence yes yeah precisely in every area which it also is in the reverse like of course men that beat women do it for all kinds of reasons they lose control their anger gets the best of them but also it's a psychological tactic as well 100% and none of the reasons are acceptable correct
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So when the man that we're going to be talking about in this case was eventually discovered by police, the responding officer indicated that his situation was the worst domestic scene he had ever encountered. I feel strongly, and this probably should have happened already, but about issuing a trigger warning for this episode because the level of abuse that this individual endured...
is truly staggering. And domestic violence as a topic is undeniably upsetting and understandably triggering for some. So please, please listen with caution as we go on to discuss the outrageous case of Alex Skeel.
At the tender age of just 16 years old, Alex Skeel's life intersected with that of 17-year-old Jordan Wirth on the fateful evening of June 3rd, 2012, at a college in England. Their paths crossed unexpectedly amidst the backdrop of a school drama performance where chance brought them together in casual conversation while awaiting the curtain to rise. For Alex, unaccustomed to female attention and having never been in a romantic relationship before—he was only 16—
This experience was nothing short of astonishing and elating. Here was an attractive, self-assured, and flirty brunette who not only granted him her time, but also unequivocally expressed her attraction for him, which made him feel really, really good. Yeah, of course. Jordan's immediate and intense interest in Alex was, of course, swiftly reciprocated, marking the birth of a relationship that would profoundly alter the course of his entire life.
Even off the bat, it initiated a profound metamorphosis in almost every area of Alex's life. Passions that he once had, like soccer, friends, family, his twin brother Luke, gradually receded into the background as the fervor of young love seized the spotlight. These kinds of shifts are not necessarily uncommon within the impassioned realm of adolescent love, where infatuation often reigns supreme. Right.
Wait, can I tell you something? Yeah. When I was younger, I was a fat kid. So if I got attention from a girl, I mean, I had absolute tunnel vision. Oh, yeah. I used to hear people in movies or like just in the halls in high school, like bros before hoes, dude, bros before hoes. And I was always like, yeah, I don't know about that. I got a girl paying attention to me, brother. And I don't know when that's going to happen again. I'll see you in two weeks.
Yeah, I mean, it is. It's exciting. And when it's like mutual, when like you're feeling it back. Oh, yeah. No, that's what I'm talking about. Powerful. Oh, yeah. And especially you add to that the hormones of being 16. Oh, my God. It's just intoxicating. Yes, exactly.
But the changes here in Alex's case were definitely more profound and impactful than sort of the typical 16-year-old going through this. When it came to Jordan, Alex maintained a sort of tunnel vision, as you just expressed, Hank.
she walked on water and was truly seen not just by Alex, but by all of his friends to be a quiet, timid, lovely, and delightful girl. And those adjectives are taken directly from one of his friends from an interview I saw with her. During their first year together, there weren't any discernible red flags or distressing signs of violence peeking through a crack in the facade. On
On the contrary, their relationship seems solid and formidable and radiated an aura of contentment and harmony.
But as the sands of time continued to flow, Jordan's once agreeable personality began to change and adopted a more assertive and controlling tone, which suddenly appeared with greater frequency and intensity, hinting at a much darker side. You know how soon that happened? One year. One year. Wow, that's a long time to keep up a facade. It's a long honeymoon phase, you know? That's a long just being on your best behavior. Yeah, and holding back who you really are.
I was good for like one and a half dates. Second half of the second date, I was like, all right, let's fucking figure out what's going on here. What kind of person are you? Yeah, yeah. I think most people get a couple of months of that. I think, yeah, a few months. And then you have your first fight in Penn Station.
Her now domineering influence extended to the minutia of Alex's existence, from selecting his clothing to dictating his haircuts and even imposing constraints on how long he could sit at the dinner table with his family. And this is when Alex's mother, Geraldine, began to experience a gut feeling that something was not right with Jordan. A maternal spidey tingle, if you will.
Describing Jordan as tricky, Geraldine's apprehension without doubt foreshadowed the complexity and darkness of Jordan's true character. And at this point, Jordan was already controlling those things that you said, right? Yes. When the mom started to pick up on it. Exactly. But Alex just didn't see it. Well, he was under the spell of lust. I think it was even more than that. I agree with you that that was definitely an element, but I think that...
She was very manipulative. I think she had psychopathic tendencies. And he... I don't want to say he had no chance because that just takes away the idea that he has agency and, you know... But I think that it was going to be a very, very tough battle, clearly, for him to fight. And keep in mind, Jordan had this intense
innocent, wholesome facade that completely enraptured him. And it trumped any doubts that his mother expressed at this point in the case. Jordan excelled academically. She had aspirations of studying fine art at the University of Hertfordshire. She came from a loving and supportive family, engaged in philanthropic endeavors, dedicated to abandoned animals and fundraising for children in Africa. She really seemed, from where Alex sat,
Pretty spectacular. I keep forgetting they're in England and now I'm listening to this and they're speaking in English accent. Would you like me to try? What the fuck was that? And the mom's going, Alex, I don't like this lassie. P.S. Obsessed with that accent and I hope that that is what people take away from this. Oh, I wish I talked like that. Same. I would be unstoppable.
When Dave used to work in real estate, I think I may have told you this, I recorded on his voicemail myself being like, Dave's not available right now to take your call. Pretty good. Pretty good. Not bad. Not bad. Getting back to the case. So from the outside, she looked pretty wonderful, right? But like a round steak hidden beneath a tender filet mignon.
The true, disgusting quality of her character could only remain concealed for so long. I'm going to need to challenge you on that phraseology. Oh, God. Like a round steak under a filet mignon? Well, let me give you a pop quiz real quick. Oh, great. All right? And this is...
unrelated to the case in and of the case itself, but related to my analogy. Is it about beans on toast? Nope. Okay. Pop quiz. What is the name of the product used to conceal a cheap cut of meat beneath a finer cut of meat? Oh, snap. Yeah. A, Moo Goo. Okay. B, Meat Glue. Okay. C, Beef Bond. Fuck. Okay.
Meat glue? That's your choice? Yeah. You got it right. I've heard of it before. Oh, okay. I watch a lot of fucking steak YouTube shorts. Evidently. A lot of cookers. It's a perfect analogy to refer to Jordan as a
a shitty piece of meat hidden beneath a tender filet mignon. Wow. And meat glue is deceptive. It's nasty and it's potentially deadly. Really? Yes. So it's an enzyme that helps bond proteins together and it's made using the blood plasma, which is like the clotting factors from cows and pigs. Okay. And for anybody who doesn't know what I'm talking about, and the only reason I know what this is and why I'm using it in this case is because
My father used to work in restaurants and he used to talk about how, I don't know if it was the restaurants he worked in or he just was aware of it in the industry, but when they were at the very ends of either like scrap meat or they just had crappier cuts of meat, they would literally bond it beneath a finer cut of meat because when you cut into meat, you cut from the top down. So you're cutting into the top and it's delicious. It's the filet mignon. And by the time you get to the bottom, which is the crappy cut,
you're sort of not registering that it's not as tasty.
Yeah, wow, that's gross. So thinking of Jordan Worth in this case made me think of that. And the first time that Jordan's rancid interior cut through her enticing exterior was in April 2013, when Alex's parents generously treated both Alex and Jordan, as well as Alex's entire family, to a performance of the Lion King musical in London for Jordan's 18th birthday. 18? Yeah. Oh my God. What?
That is so young. So young. And this has already been going on for a year. Holy crap. So that day proceeded smoothly and the musical was thoroughly enjoyed by all. After the day came and went, where they were all watching Lion King and it went well, they all went back to the hotel where they were staying and a troubling scene unfolded at around midnight. Alex emerged from the bathroom in his shared room with Jordan to see that she was gone.
She vanished without a trace and wasn't picking up her phone. Alex and his entire family went into an absolute panic-stricken frenzy for over an hour searching for her. And then suddenly, Jordan made a reappearance in the hotel lobby. Pop quiz. After the party, it's the after party. That's right. After the party, it's the hotel lobby then. After the Belvedere, it's probably Chris. And after the original, it's probably this, Fiesta. Wow.
Well done. Thank you. Just had to let that go until the end. Thank you for not cutting me. When Alex and his family finally found Jordan after frantically searching for her, what did they discover? A, Jordan laughing at them. B, Jordan smoking a cigarette with a hotel bellhop flirting. C, Jordan crying and apologizing, claiming that someone abducted her, but that she managed to escape. Oh my God. I mean, she's manipulative, but she could also be two-faced, uh,
Smoking a cigarette with a bellhop. No. Cool. Great. Crying. No. Laughing. Yes. She found it absolutely hilarious that the entire family was tied into knots, worried sick, trying to find her. And as her laughter echoed in that hotel lobby, it became increasingly evident that Jordan's mask of sanity was slowly slipping.
So at this point, Alex's family started urging him to break up with her. There was no more, I got that spidey tingle, something's not right. It was, Alex, run for the hills. There's something very wrong. However, Alex kept insisting that when they were alone, she didn't engage in any of these cruel or manipulative behaviors.
Until she pulled the exact same stunt a little while later while vacationing in Egypt with just Alex. Jordan once again vanished, this time for a longer period of time, leaving Alex to scramble and panic in a foreign land all by himself. And just as she had done in London, Jordan suddenly reappeared in the hotel lobby again.
laughing at the stress she had inflicted on her boyfriend. Oh, she liked it. She's loving it. Oh my God. She's doing this by design. I thought maybe she just thought it was silly that they were so up in arms. No. Or concerned, but she's doing it on purpose. Oh my God. The psychological manipulation was intensifying. And even for Alex, who was still deeply infatuated with Jordan, her conduct was becoming increasingly unbearable.
She not only played with his emotions and found amusement in his anguish, but she also persistently began to regularly accuse him of cheating on her and checking out other girls when he should have remained solely focused on her.
In fact, on Alex's 18th birthday, which was August 17th, 2013... Happy birthday. ...at a blowout party shared with his twin brother, Luke, hosted by their parents, Jordan caused a massive and humiliating scene involving a 15-year-old girl who was a family friend who was at the party. Oh, my God. Alex essentially grew up with this girl as their families were extremely close, and Jordan just could not...
handle the fact that this other girl even existed in Alex's life at all. So about halfway through the party, which took place at a rented town hall, Jordan verbally accosted this child in front of everyone. The music stopped and Alex started to sob at his own 18th birthday party in front of what he described as being hundreds of people in attendance. Well, it is his birthday and he can cry if he wants to. Oh my God.
If we didn't have that one ready. I don't bring the levity. You do. Very true. Good point. Now, you might be thinking that Alex was sobbing out of humiliation and anger about the unhinged public demonstration of possessiveness exhibited by his girlfriend. Nope. But apparently, Alex was crying over the stress that Jordan felt at the very sight of this other girl. Yeah, this is codependency. Yes, sir.
All he said through his sobbing tears was, I need to look after my girlfriend. I love her.
And Jordan refused to leave the party. So the night just went on as if nothing happened. So strange. But Alex was only able to tolerate Jordan's antics for another two weeks before he mustered the strength to finally call it quits with her. Oh, that's pretty good. Doesn't last because we're featuring this on psychopedia, right? Okay. So they usually say it takes half the amount of time that you were dating somebody to get over them. Is that right?
That's like the fucking rule that was put forth in Swingers, I think, with Jon Favreau. So it's gospel, in other words. True, yeah. And I was the exact opposite. If I dated somebody for a year, it would take two years to break up.
So he did break up with her two weeks later. And this happened following an incident where Jordan decided that Alex was not allowed to have a direct line of communication with anyone other than her, prompting her to remove the SIM card from his phone and snap it in half. You gotta do what you gotta do. And this was the SIM card that broke the camel's back. Oh, shit. Because Alex finally ended the relationship.
Oh, yeah.
No. Because a couple of weeks after the breakup, Jordan showed up at Alex's family home and did which of the following things? Oh, my God. Pop quiz. Okay. A, started a fire in his garage. Totally plausible. B, informed Alex that she was diagnosed with leukemia. Also plausible. C, announced that she was pregnant. Oh, my God.
I, just to go back for a second, I knew a guy who was dating a girl who used to give him like the hardest time ever about his female cousin. Like she thought there was something going on between those two. Between the guy and his own cousin? Between his own female cousin. She was like, you're not allowed to see your cousin anymore. Oh boy. Do you remember the pop quiz now, buddy? Um,
What pop quiz? Exactly. Just to refresh my memory. Oh, start a fire. Tell them that she was pregnant. Tell them she had cancer or leukemia. I don't know. Start a fire in the garage? No. Tell them that she was pregnant? Yes. Yeah, that's a lot. She revealed that she was pregnant. And Alex, doing what was right, made a solemn vow to stand by, support, and love their child through every stage of life. However...
he firmly maintained his stance of not reentering a romantic relationship with Jordan. Naturally, this proved far from satisfactory for Jordan. And as punishment for Alex's refusal to reunite romantically,
Jordan, along with their unborn and subsequently newborn child, vanished from Alex's life for over a year. Wow. Leaving him in total darkness with respect to his own child. And despair and all that, everything. Because during that void from Alex's life, Jordan gave birth on May 19th, 2014, to a baby boy she named Thomas J.,
Alex remained clueless about the whereabouts of his child until three months after he was born, when Jordan, wielding ultimate control once again, decided to text Geraldine, Alex's mother, asking if she'd be willing to meet her grandson. Everything was meticulously orchestrated on Jordan's terms, with her remaining firmly in the driver's seat, calling all shots and setting every condition.
So in this narrative that Jordan is creating, she assumes an almost godlike role, determining the destiny of an entire family, including her own child who had every right to know his father. Needless to say, on August 12th, Jordan made her re-entry into the Skeel family's lives through her reconnection with Geraldine. She was able to
She expertly concealed her true nature beneath a facade that now appeared refined and seemingly maternal, like a round steak hiding beneath a filet mignon. With meat glue on it. That's right. She expertly managed to convince Geraldine that motherhood had altered her, rendering her more gentle, down-to-earth, and mature. Under this pretext, Geraldine encouraged Alex to give her another chance, a decision he ultimately agreed to make and would forever
Ever regret Geraldine too probably 100% And so Jordan and Thomas J TJ for short Moved into the Skeel family home And by January 2015 Alex and Jordan Were officially a couple Once again Wow so she's living In the house now Yeah Oof
Several months later, the inevitable occurred, right? As Jordan's jealousy once again erupted into a venomous rage aimed squarely at the same 15-year-old girl from Alex's 18th birthday celebration. She was probably 16 by this point. In the wake of this incident, she confronted Alex with an ultimatum. Either Alex was to move in with her into her parents' home or face the permanent loss of TJ. Yeah, that's not how it works. It isn't.
Keep something in mind. Yeah. We have the benefit of hindsight. Of hindsight. And being removed from it. Yes. All of that. But I was going to say, we have the benefit of having some worldly knowledge. And I'm not suggesting Alex didn't have worldly knowledge. I'm not insulting him at all. But I'm just saying he's very young. Yeah.
I think that unless you have a reason to be exposed to this type of situation, you're really not aware of what your rights are. No, it's daunting. It's terrifying. You don't even know which way to go. Yeah. Do you call the police? Do you call an attorney? I don't have money for an attorney. You know what I mean? It can take you down a rabbit hole just to figure out your first step. And when your adrenaline is rushing through your body, you're not making great decisions. And it doesn't just last for five minutes while you first hear it. That shit sticks around for until it's resolved.
Really? Until it's not there. Exactly. Yeah. And not wanting to leave TJ or even run the risk of having him being taken away, Alex recognized that he really had no option to consider. The prospect of being separated from his child was something he could not bear. So he agreed.
In the painful context of domestic abuse, the threat to withhold access to children becomes a devastating weapon of control. It's a dark manifestation of power dynamics where abusers exploit the deep emotional bonds between parents and children, wielding the potential separation as a means to torment and manipulate their victims.
This cruel tactic not only inflicts profound emotional anguish, but also perpetuates a cycle of fear and submission, further ensnaring victims within the web of the abuser's control. By April 2015, Alex made the difficult decision to pack his bags and move into Jordan's parents' home. And this would mark...
the last time for two years that anyone in Alec's family would see him. Wow, it just keeps getting worse. And it only gets worse still because this is when the mask of sanity fully slipped off Jordan Worth's face to reveal her true identity as a violent, depraved, abusive, rancid, round steak. Oh, that's why you asked me what the worst kind of steak was. Ha ha!
I was wondering when you were going to realize that. I texted Tank, what, a week, two weeks ago, asking him what the worst cut of meat was, particularly for this case. Yeah. Oh, that's so funny. You're like, what, are you going to cook me the worst meal ever?
Alex's disturbing descent into the darkest depths of hell began with Jordan systematically severing him from his entire support network, including friends, family, and his twin brother. She forced Alex to get a new phone with a new phone number and to get rid of his cherished PlayStation, all with the calculated aim of isolating him from any avenue of communication. Because apparently on a PlayStation, you can like chat with people.
Jordan is controlling everything and she's isolating him, which is a classic tactic for abusers to use. She even at this point delivered the news to Alex that his beloved grandfather, Gerald, had died, which was devastating news that plunged Alex into a profound state of grief and self-reproach as he cherished his grandfather dearly and was tormented by the thought of not being present during his final moments on account of Jordan not allowing him to be. Pop quiz.
When Alex told Jordan that he was absolutely heartbroken over the death of his grandfather, after she asked him why he was crying about it, what did Jordan then do? A, told Alex that his grandfather never even loved him because he's unlovable, so quit crying. B, threw out every picture Alex had of his grandfather. C, told Alex that his grandfather wasn't actually dead. Oh my God. Well, I thought maybe he wasn't actually dead.
So, see. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that was what I thought from the very start. After telling Alex that his grandfather died, Jordan then callously decided to reveal the truth that his grandfather was, in fact...
still alive. What a fucking psycho. According to Alex, this manipulation was born out of Jordan's jealousy regarding the deep bond that he shared with his grandfather, and it served as a means to poison that cherished connection. And it was a deliberate tactic to further erode Alex's emotional resilience, diminishing him in order to elevate herself in the power dynamic of control that characterizes domestic abuse.
She manipulated him at every turn, a strategy that when combined with an imbalance of power, created a relentless cycle of control and fear. And this presented a dark and dangerous landscape ripe for escalation.
First, Jordan, Alex, and baby TJ moved out of Jordan's parents' home in July of 2016 to live in further isolation in the nearby village of Stewartby, nestled within the heart of Bedforshire. And for the first month, everything was peachy keen, and Alex was hopeful that things were going to be okay, which is exactly how Jordan designed it.
Because in cases of domestic abuse, perpetrators frequently employ tactics such as intermittent reinforcement, where they deliberately cycle between episodes of negative conduct involving abuse, whether
whether verbal, psychological, physical, and instances of positive behavior characterized by affection and kindness. And this is how coercive control works, right? The abuser is not only in control of the violent times, but also in charge of the relief period as well. These brief moments of kindness can confuse and destabilize victims and survivors while fostering hope for improvement and emotional attachment. Intermittent reassurance is like pulling the rat out of the water. Yes, exactly.
And it just makes you hold on that much longer. Yes. You always hold this hope. I mean, I know narcissism, love bombing, all that stuff, whatever. I'm happy to announce to myself that I'm not a narcissist and I never love bombed, even though I thought I did. And I was. No, you just bombed with love. Big difference. Well, I just was excited. Yeah. I'm being serious. I didn't do it with the express intention of using that later on. I mean, I bomb cash with love constantly. So it's not a bad thing. But love bombing is.
But I've also been on the other end of that and holding on for that person who's not around anymore is really confusing. Do you want to talk about, because I think you only talked about pulling the rat out of the water on a Patreon episode. Oh, really? If memory serves. And it is a very, very heartbreaking but powerful study. Yeah. And I think you should talk about it since you just brought it up.
There was a study done. I don't remember who. I don't remember when or where. Off to a great start. It was done. I'm happy I can remember the numbers. So they did an experiment with rats where they put them in a cylinder of water and timed how long it would take for them to give up and drown. Hate it.
Hate that part. The average was 17 minutes, if I'm not mistaken. So the average rat swam, treaded water for 17 minutes before sinking down to the bottom. Then in a subsequent trial, they let rats tread water for like...
15 minutes or so, like slightly below the average. Took them out of the water, let them rest for a few minutes, put them right back in. And then the rats swam for an average of 70 hours. 70 hours or 70 minutes? 70 hours. What? Yeah.
Because they had that little glimpse of hope. Oh, wow. They were able to hang on way longer. It just shows you the power of hope. And when you give a little bit of what's needed on the emotional front, how far that can take you when you're otherwise being deprived. 100%. Right? And this strategy of constantly keeping the victim on...
on edge only serves to bolster that existing power imbalance that's just growing bigger and bigger by the day. So for instance, as Jordan's controlling and emotionally abusive behavior took a darker turn, she then intentionally released the information that she was once again pregnant and used this news as a decoy to divert Alex's attention from her escalating aggression. And
And this pregnancy only served to tighten Jordan's grip around Alex's throat. She forced him to quit his job and insisted that he instead accompany her every single day to the University of Hertfordshire, where she was pursuing a degree in fine arts, and to sit
and wait in the car while she attended classes. Oh my God. Since Alex couldn't drive and had no means to leave the campus, he would spend countless hours idling in the car while she engaged in her studies and social activities. And to further ensure that he remained compliant and reliant, Jordan confiscated his wallet and bank cards, making him entirely financially dependent upon her.
Additionally, she went as far as creating a fake Facebook account in Alex's name and used it to send hateful messages to his former friends and family, further damaging the already strained relationships. That is so strange. She wanted to just put a nail in that coffin that she buried him in.
She messaged his grandfather, remember, as Alex, informing the grandfather that he wanted nothing to do with him while also messaging one of Alex's female friends to taunt her about being fat. What the fuck? It's too much time. Right?
Then, one night in 2016, while attending a Winter Wonderland event in Hyde Park in London, Jordan forced Alex to purchase a packet of over-the-counter sleeping pills from a nearby pharmacy. She then ordered him to chew and swallow every pill in the packet, to which he obediently complied. Wow. Because the idea of Jordan flipping out was more frightening than the alternative choice of spending the evening in a drug-induced fog.
And you may be asking yourself at this point, why doesn't Alex just leave? And by the way, chewing pills up makes them hit three times harder. Is that right? Instead of swallowing it? Yeah, because it's already half digested by being chewed. Oh, interesting. The surface area of it is much, much greater because it's in less pieces, obviously. Right. So some people listening may be asking themselves why Alex doesn't just leave.
leave, right? Doesn't he see that Jordan's behavior is escalating and then it's gone from jealousy to rage to social isolation to coercive control to economic abuse to now acts of physical violence and threats of irreparable harm. The slow progression of domestic abuse can be likened to the analogy of the frog in boiling water where the temperature rises gradually and
Initially, everything may seem comfortable just as a relationship might begin with the apparent normalcy and love that tends to exist in the initial stages. However, as the heat gradually intensifies, the frog, much like the victim or survivor, adapts to the changing circumstances without realizing the imminent danger until it reaches a critical point, potentially being too late.
In a similar vein, in an abusive relationship, the escalation may occur so subtly that the victim may not discern the threat until they are, metaphorically speaking, in boiling hot water. Oh, yeah. And this can make the victim less inclined to resist and more inclined to comply. It's really, really, really heartbreaking. Especially for the people in their lives to watch that because they're not in the fucking boiling water. Exactly. You can see everything from a distance and it's absolutely heartbreaking to watch. Yeah, good point.
In Alex's case, he was truly wrapped up in the warped belief that he and Jordan were actually happy together. Wow. After all, they were raising their beloved son, expecting their second child. They lived in a beautiful home. Jordan was earning her degree. Everything on paper was going great. But they were far, far from happy. And the next few months were unmitigated misery.
Between September 2016 and February 2017, Alex was physically assaulted by Jordan on an almost daily basis.
If Jordan happened to skip a night of abusing Alex, she would compensate for it the following day by increasing the intensity and brutality of her abuse. That's fucking terrible. On one horrifying occasion, she struck Alex in the face with such force using a hairbrush while driving that one of his teeth dangled by a thread from his mouth. To make matters worse, she retained the broken hairbrush in the car and used it as a weapon for subsequent beatings.
There were numerous instances where Alex was forced to sleep on the floor at night as he was denied access to the bed. And during these nights, Jordan would subject him to physical assaults, striking him with objects from all around the bedroom. When Alex would awake to tend to the injuries inflicted upon him by these unprovoked and unwarranted attacks, Jordan would then proceed to assault his legs with a hammer. Like the movie Misery. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. It's fucking terrible. Jordan regularly slashed Alex's arms and legs with a kitchen knife, causing continuous bleeding and resulting in permanent scarring. She also exerted control over his diet, often restricting it to the bare minimum, which led to significant weight loss, weakness, and disorientation due to malnutrition.
This tactic of malnutrition and starvation is frequently employed by individuals practicing coercive control to render their victims physically and psychologically vulnerable or malleable, making them more amenable to manipulation. And similar tactics have been observed in the practices of cult leaders. This is like cult 101. A cult of one.
And this was exemplified by people like Rock Terrio, who we discussed in our Patreon episode on the Ant Hill kids in Canada. Despite being entirely under Jordan's control at this point, Alex still had this small, small amount of wherewithal to realize that he was in dire straits. He could sense that his body was shutting down.
So at 2.30 a.m. on February 3rd, 2017, Alex summoned the strength to call his father, Graham, desperately seeking assistance. In response to Alex's distress call, Graham and Geraldine swiftly made their way over to Alex and Jordan's residence. However, as they approached the house, the interior lights suddenly went out and no one would answer the door.
Growing increasingly alarmed, they decided to involve the police, resulting in the prompt dispatch of two patrol cars. Upon entering the home to conduct their investigation, the officers ultimately emerged without handcuffing Jordan and without Alex. To Graham and Geraldine's bewilderment, the police informed them that it had been nothing more than a relationship dispute between Alex and his pregnant wife, with neither party interested in pursuing further action. Never
Nevertheless, the police did take note of Alex's visibly debilitated state and noticed that he was walking with a limp. Oh, okay, good. So they did make a note of this. Shortly thereafter, while they were staying at a hotel in Leeds following up a steel concert, which outwardly appeared to be a considerate act on Jordan's part because she planned the whole weekend, it was actually a very manipulative ploy. She subjected Alex to such a...
a horrific ordeal over that weekend that it bears another trigger warning here. As Alex slept on the floor of the hotel, Jordan poured scalding hot water from a kettle onto his back, causing his skin to blister and peel instantly, all while he cried out in excruciating agony.
My reference to the concert being a manipulative gesture stems from Jordan's cruel practice of alternating between providing Alex with enjoyable experiences and then subjecting him to unbearable suffering. Also, regrettably, the use of scalding hot water would become a recurring and horrifying element in her twisted repertoire of abusive tactics.
Upon returning home from the concert in an effort to explain Alex's injuries, Jordan instructed Alex to falsely claim that he'd been burned by the hotel shower. Oh my God. Ironically, while instructing him to lie, Jordan simultaneously chastised Alex for his dishonesty. Pop quiz. What did Jordan do to punish Alex for lying?
A, force him to leave a Facebook status confessing to being a cheating bastard. B, disappear with TJ for 41 days. C, purchase and subject Alex to an electric shock lie detector test. B. Disappear with TJ? No. Okay. Not that that, I mean, I don't know if it's better or worse. Electric shock lie detector test? Yep. Okay.
Jordan purchased a five pound, pound as in currency, lie detector test called Shocking Liar. Oh, it's probably real reliable. That she strapped onto Alex's hand.
While administering this unreliable piece of faux technology, a very pregnant Jordan then stood beside Alex with a boiling hot kettle of water while reading off a list of questions. She grilled him about his cheating habits, which, by the way, were non-existent. And also, just to interject, people I know are thinking like, why isn't he leaving, right? Oh, he must have low self-esteem or whatever. Right.
You can start off in a relationship like this, totally normal, healthy, well-adjusted adult, and then it gets chipped away over time. If the first thing she did to him that was bad was pour boiling water on him, he'd be out probably. Well, that's why I brought up the frog in the boiling pot of water because you don't realize you're in dire straits.
until you're at a very extreme level. And hopefully it's not too late by that point, God willing, but that's the whole point. And the people who are dishing out the abuse, at least in this case, I can't put a blanket statement on every abuser, but Jordan Worth was a master manipulator. But I mean, like, yes, yes, she was. But what I'm saying is that anybody can end up in this situation. You don't have to have
self-esteem issues or, you know, come from a traumatic upbringing and think you deserve this, like it sneaks up on you quick. It does. And I think it's a really, really good point to make.
So Jordan is using this dollar store lie detector on Alex. And every time that the lie detector buzzed to suggest that Alex was lying about this amazingly reliable piece of technology, P.S., lie detector tests even used by quote-unquote professionals are completely unreliable and inadmissible in court. So imagine what this piece of shit is like. Yeah, it's just a shock machine. Right.
But Jordan would pour boiling hot water on Alex's arms while simultaneously screaming nasty and degrading insults in his face every time the machine went off that he was lying. After his arms were thoroughly destroyed and covered in blistering burns.
Jordan then allowed him to run a cold bath. But just as he was about to step in, she told him to get out or she'd burn him again. She continued to giveth and then taketh. She was taketh in a lot. Yeah, mostly taketh.
By this point in the case, it's about one year after Jordan and Alex moved out of her parents' home and into their own place with TJ. On May 2nd, 2017, Jordan gave birth to a little girl named Iris. Is that the one she was pregnant with? Yep. Okay. And Alex was hopeful that the baby would change Jordan for the better and prevent her from continuing to harm him. Yeah. And he was right for a total of one month. But then after that...
Everything took a dramatic turn when Jordan turned up the nightmarish abuse once again. On June 3rd, 2017, Jordan's brutality was overheard by a neighbor who called 999 to report a domestic disturbance upon hearing screaming. And this is what a concerned neighbor said during her call to the police. And this is a direct quote from the 999 call, which I heard.
There's a couple and it sounds like they're having a really, really bad fight. They've been shouting, it's not my fault. Get off me. Leave me alone. Stop hurting me. It's so tragic. Yeah. It's just so tragic. He's like pleading.
After this neighbor called 999, police constable Ed Finn with the Bedfisher police knocked on the door to investigate the source of the screaming. Yeah. But when Jordan answered the door, she looked absolutely fine. She was casually dressed, relaxed, and off the bat offered up information saying that she was okay, but that there was a problem. Alex hurt himself. Oh, God.
Upon entering the home, PC Finn confronted a scene that he would later recount as the worst domestic situation he had ever witnessed. Alex stood at the top of the stairs with a sock tied around an open gash on his left wrist from which a tremendous amount of blood was profusely leaking. The bathroom floor was covered in fresh blood with both Jordan and Alex explaining that it had been the result of a self-inflicted injury.
Jordan went on to explain to PC Finn that Alex suffered from depression and caught himself, a story that Alex agreed with. PC Finn immediately brought Alex along with Jordan to Lister Hospital in Stebeninch to address the wound. And what hospital staff saw upon their arrival was like something out of a horror movie because it was not just the injury on his left wrist.
Alex's arms were covered in slashes, gashes, burns, bruises, and scars, as well as copious amounts of dead skin that medical staff had to scrape off in order to administer an IV to fight infection. Oh my God. Can you imagine? He has decaying flesh.
In some areas, the wounds were so deep that doctors needed to administer stitches before providing any other additional care. His injuries were so severe that it warranted immediate surgery to address the red, raw, eviscerated flesh.
But as staff worked to prepare the operating room, Jordan suddenly announced that she and Alex were leaving. The nurses pleaded with Alex to stay, indicating that his health was in a very, very precarious state, but he insisted on following Jordan's lead.
At that point, nurses called the consultant, which in England means the senior physician, who earnestly implored Alex to remain at the hospital. Locking eyes with Alex, the doctor flat out asked him whether or not he felt safe enough to return home. And Alex looked him straight in the eye and said, yes.
Again, people are probably wondering, in this intimate moment where, you know, Jordan was not within earshot, why didn't you just say no? Yeah, you're too scared. Yeah. So Alex and Jordan left.
A few days later, though, police constable Ed Finn, the one who responded to the initial 999 call, could not shake the feeling that something was terribly amiss in Alex and Jordan's home. He decided to stop by their house to conduct a well check, but no one answered the door. So at that point, he was forced to leave. But then...
A few days later on June 10th, PC Finn intercepted a radio call reporting a domestic disturbance in the vicinity. He immediately recognized the address as Alex's and hurried to the scene, sensing that there was more to the situation than had been previously disclosed by Alex. PC Finn, equipped with a body cam, entered the residence and engaged in conversations with both Alex and Jordan. Separately, though.
stuck to his earlier story, insisting that everything was fine, that he was not being harmed. Me,
Meanwhile, Jordan would intermittently enter the room during his interview with PC Finn, a constant presence reminding Alex to remain silent. However, PC Finn, to his credit, refused to accept Alex's claims at face value and remained determined to ensure Alex's safety. He insisted that he would not leave unless Alex agreed to accompany him. PC Finn told him, quote,
We're not leaving until you tell me the truth. You need help. She needs help. And your children need help. You all need help. Then, under the pretext of taking Alex to the hospital for a change of the dressing on his wrist, PC Finn successfully removed him from the house and took him safely into police custody. Once in the police car together and away from Jordan...
PC Finn deactivated his body cam and offered Alex reassurance, emphasizing his safety. After enduring five years of severe domestic abuse, Alex finally mustered the courage to meet DC Finn's eyes and utter four words that set the wheels of justice in motion. And those four words were, yes, it was her.
Good for him. Yeah. Within minutes, Jordan was apprehended and placed under arrest for suspicion of inflicting grievous bodily harm. Alex was promptly transported back to the hospital where physicians determined that he had been just 10 days away from death. Really? Yes.
between the malnutrition, loss of blood, infection, 10 days away from dying. Yeah, that's very close. That evening, police officers from the Bedfordshire Police Department arranged for Alex to stay at a hotel for the night and treated him to a meal at McDonald's. For Alex, it was a culinary delight, marking his first hot meal in months and months.
The following morning, still donning a blood-stained T-shirt, Alex indulged in a buffet breakfast at the hotel with a view overlooking the Bedford River. Overwhelmed by a mix of disbelief, relief, and profound gratitude, he found himself giggling in sheer astonishment that his traumatic ordeal had finally come to an end. Oh, my God. I mean, just a little distance from a situation like that, the scales fall from your eyes, you can finally see clearly...
Yeah, I mean, it really is like some kind of a spell that people go under. It's incredibly difficult to break. It's five years of being held in captivity under that spell. Yeah. It's nothing short of liberating. So sad. When you come out the other side. So Alex went back to his family home after indicating that he just wanted his mother, which as a mother, particularly of sons. Yeah.
my heart. When he called his dad, I was imagining like how happy they must have been to hear from him. Also sad because of what was going on. And
And then to have to lose him again. Right. For another, whatever it was, year or two. When you were struggling with addiction. Yeah. And I don't know if this is like too personal, but did your parents try to intervene? Oh my God. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I assume they would because they're fantastic people, but I'm just saying, and I'm sure you pushed them away. Oh, it was mostly my mom and my
It's so crazy to think that when I was in the middle of it and I didn't want to stop, I saw it as being annoying. Sure. And like a pain in the ass.
And then all of a sudden, when I was ready, I saw it as loving guidance into the, you know, the place where I needed to go to get help. And I actually was talking to somebody the other day about this. When you have a support group in recovery, right? And you're brand new and you drink or you do drugs or whatever it is, the people around you will go, why didn't you call me? Why didn't you call me before? And I realized that people don't call somebody when they want to drink. They call somebody when they don't want to drink. Hmm.
That makes so much sense. When you want to drink, you don't want to talk to somebody who's going to try and talk you out of it. It's like ask for forgiveness rather than permission. Yeah. Act now, consequence later, which is very common with addictive mentality. Need relief now, I'll deal with the consequences later. Right. And then I'm sure when you were ready to receive that help, your parents were like, thank fucking God. Oh, it was that day. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. That night. And with Alex, his family hadn't physically seen him for two years. Alex's aunt, his mom's sister, said that when Alex came back home, he quite literally smelled like death as a result of all the rotting flesh on his body. Within five days, TJ and baby Iris were back with Alex in the Skeel family home. And within months, Alex was able to physically recover from his horrific injuries.
On September 28th, 2017, Jordan Worth faced 17 charges, including grievous bodily harm and controlling or coercive behavior. Jordan eventually pleaded guilty to only three out of the 17 charges. During her police interrogation, which I watched, she presented herself as this passive, polite, meek,
She spoke in a very, very high-pitched voice. She leaned forward in this sort of theatrical effort to convey her cooperation. She attempted to appear small and vulnerable, delicately touching her hair while tilting her head. She pulled out all the stops. Like Lucy Letby. Exactly, Tank. What are these British women? I'm just kidding. No. No, bad. Bad, Tank.
She was aiming to come across as refined and civil, respectful, and fully engaged in the interview. Remember, she is nothing if not a master manipulator. Oh, yeah. Also, I'm caveling that you remembered that Lucy Letby did that in her interview. Caveling. I'm giving you a high five across the room. Thank you. I'll take it. During Jordan's sentencing, she displayed no signs of remorse, guilt, shame, or regret for her actions.
And while there isn't too much information available regarding Jordan's mental health, if you can believe it, and I'm not a mental health expert or professional, I believe that she may exhibit traits associated with what is known as the dark tetrad. Hmm.
The dark tetrad, which is another term for us, breaking something new out. Dark tetras. Comprises four personality traits. Narcissism, which is involving an inflated sense of self-importance, a constant need for admiration, and a lack of empathy. Machiavellianism, characterized by manipulation, deceitfulness, and self-interest. Psychopathy, marked by lack of empathy, remorse, and guilt, often masked by charm. And
and sadism, deriving pleasure from inflicting pain, suffering, or humiliation on others. In the case of Jordan, this suggests a presence of all of these personality characteristics. And in order to have the dark
tetrid personality, you have to have all four of those things. Yeah. Further, I believe that Jordan may have also experienced paranoid personality disorder or PPD, which could have contributed to her consistent and unfounded accusations of Alex being unfaithful to her. Even though he doesn't leave the house. Exactly. He doesn't leave her
present her control ever. Yeah. During the trial, Jordan's defense attorney argued that she had hydrocephalus, a condition caused by the accumulation of cerebrospinal fluid inside the skull, which made her vulnerable. And I actually know a little bit about hydrocephalus.
So it can lead to increased intracranial pressure, so inside the skull, and various neurological symptoms, including behavioral changes. It can do that. Sure. But Jordan's ability to turn it on and off, to me, in my unprofessional opinion...
reflects a personality disorder versus a medical condition. Did she have hydrocephalus? So I'm trying to find where she had MRI results because hydrocephalus shows up in an MRI and I could not find anything to support a hydrocephalus diagnosis. She was just grasping at straws. Totally. I mean, the defense has to do what the defense has to do, but I have not found an MRI to support that.
Finally, on April 13th, 2018, Judge Nick Madge handed Jordan two seven-year sentences for wounding with intent and grievous bodily harm to be served concurrently, plus a consecutive sentence of six months for controlling or coercive behavior. This made Jordan Worth the first female in UK history to be convicted of this charge.
So it's only seven years, right? Total? Yeah. I don't know why, like, why even bother doing that? It's not enough. Well, no, I'm just saying like, why have sentences run concurrent? Oh. What's the point? I believe it has to do with the ability to rehabilitate. Yeah, I'm just... No, I'm saying so to serve it concurrently,
suggests to me that she'll be treated during that period and has a strong likelihood of being rehabilitated. So it doesn't necessitate 14 years behind bars. Then why not just give her seven years? For both charges. Yeah. Right. I guess because each charge comes with its own sentence. Like you can't combine charges with one sentence. So why not give her three and a half years for one and three and a half years for the other? Maybe. It just never made any sense to me. No, no, I agree with you. I'm talking out loud. I think because certain charges come with a minimum sentence. Oh, okay. That makes sense.
It's me talking through this with you because I don't have the exact answer. Yeah. Full disclosure. The only reason I know what concurrent means is because of rap. Life sentences concurrent. That was Beanie Siegel. Checks out. Yeah. Yeah. Everything I know is from TikTok and rap.
So while Jordan Worth's conviction was historic, it's important to note, which we did at the top of this episode, that domestic violence perpetrated by women against men is not a new phenomenon. In 2020, the Office for National Statistics reported that 1.6 million women and 757,000 men experienced abuse.
Shockingly, 49% of male victims choose not to disclose their abuse, often due to feelings of shame and fear. Moreover, recent analysis of homicide reviews have highlighted shortcomings in training and support for recognizing and addressing male domestic abuse.
So there's this charity. It's called the Mankind Charity, and they reported that out of 238 refuge spaces for domestic abuse victims in 2021, only 58 were allocated to support male survivors. Additionally, a study conducted by Bristol University revealed that health professionals rarely inquire about the domestic relationships of male victims. When you go to see your physician, Tank, do they ever ask you about abuse? No. I
I get asked by every doctor I ever see. Yeah. In one way or the other, it comes up. Wow. No, never. There you go. Recognizing that domestic violence can impact individuals of any gender is essential. Yeah. To effectively address this pervasive problem, it is crucial to support all victims, ensuring they receive the necessary assistance and protection. And size has nothing to do with it. No, it doesn't at all. Size has nothing to do with it. Looks have nothing to do with it. I had a friend who,
who was sadly a victim of date rape. And when she told her friend about what happened, her friend didn't believe her. And you know what her reason was? This is disgusting. I don't believe it for one second. You're not hot enough. That's insane. Disgusting. Yeah. I was like speechless when she told me that.
But this issue should not be framed as a matter of men's or women's rights. Instead, it should revolve around fundamental human rights to safety, protection, accountability, and justice for all.
So I hope that this episode will resonate with and possibly inspire anyone who's ever faced the darkness to find the strength to emerge triumphant and to seek help because help is out there and everyone deserves peace, safety, and freedom from abuse. And to know that you're not alone. Absolutely. Because that's a big part. Yeah. If you're hearing this, you are not alone. No. Women, you are not alone. Men, you are not alone. Any gender,
gender way you identify, you're not alone. Yeah. And there's help out there. Yeah. Just to let you know, there is a BBC documentary about this case. Very good. It's called Abused by My Girlfriend. And it features interviews with Alex, with Alex's mother, with his aunt, with his friends,
Really? Yeah, and it's a pretty good documentary. How's he doing now? He's doing okay now. He has his children. Jordan, by the way, is actually out of prison. She was released in September of 2023, and she only served five years, by the way. Oh, man, that must suck for him. I know. The parole board deemed that she's no longer a risk to the public. And I sure hope so, because guess what? She's engaged. To? To a man named Adam Steff. Oh, my God.
Who's a bricklayer by profession. I thought you were going to say, Alex, I was about to fucking rip my own head off. He speaks now about domestic violence and he's very, very open about what he experienced, which I give him a lot of credit. Working with survivors of abuse, it takes a lot, not just to seek help for yourself, but to then be a source of light for other people going through it. It's, I give him credit.
So much props for doing that. There's certain things still, and I don't, it's not that I hope they go away or I hope they don't go away, the stigma around them, but there are certain things that are just harder to talk about in life. Yes. For whatever reason. Agreed. Because you don't know how it's going to be received. You might think it'll make you look bad or weak or, you know, like with women reporting sexual assault, they, God for fucking bids, somebody says,
You deserved it. Oh my God. Like it's... Well, women face that a lot. They still do based on what we wear, what we, what type of vibes we're putting out. Like you were putting out, can you put out rape me vibes? You asked for it type of bullshit. It's not even a fucking vibe. It's not a vibe. You don't have any right to sexually assault me. No. I mean, I remember there was a case of some kid in college, not our college, just in college in general,
It was very famous. I can't remember his name. He was an athlete. He found a girl behind a dumpster who was passed out and he just had sex with her. Yeah. God, fuck me. You know about that? No, but that is just horrific. I'm sure we'll hear from our listeners. Yeah. And it's like...
From the rapist's point of view, like, she was passed out, dude. She was asking for it. Really? I don't think she was asking for anything. She was passed out. Oh, my God. She was asking non-verbally for help. Right. To be brought inside to, you know, to a warm, safe space. Jesus. Yeah. Like, really. It's just next level sick. Yeah. Yeah, it's very sad. All right, well...
I can tell that was a lot of research. That was a lot of research. And I feel so passionate about this topic. This is part of what I dedicate my professional life to. Yeah. This topic and assault and abuse and victims and survivors who I just have so much respect for. Yeah.
Yeah. All right. Well, thank you for doing all that work. Always a pleasure. Thank you, you little psycho, for listening. Right? If you made it this far, Megs. And maybe you can circle back and let everybody know how that chapstick thing is that I got you. It will be ongoing. I actually had a fantasy that I was at some point in the very near future going to say, this was the only thing that worked. I tried everything. You're going to have it over this because I've given the energy to...
God, I hope so. Since I paid for it and it better fucking work. I'm ready to be, I'm ready for my lips to be healed. I've had enough. Yeah, me too. I can't hear about it anymore. I've had enough.
All right. Well, thank you for listening. Thank you, everybody. I hope you enjoyed it in the way that you think I mean it. Not enjoyed it, but like, I hope it was, you know. Yeah, words are tricky. We know what you mean. Educational for you and inspirational and identifiable if you're in this situation. If you're in this situation, I want you to understand that this is not something that you need to hide. You don't deserve the abuse.
And there is a way out and you're not alone. Amen. I think we'll leave off with that and we'll see you guys next episode. Bye. Bye.