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All right, welcome back to another episode of the Psychopedia podcast. I am your co-host, Tank Sinatra, here with my co-host... Investigators later. We got coffee for days. Yeah, we do. We got a lot of cold brew flowing through the house right now. And we are doing something for the first time that we've never done before. A doubleheader? No, we're revisiting a case...
that we fucked up. We botched it real good. Oh, yeah. But it was too good to let go by the wayside. Yes. It was a real edge of your seat. You got to listen. You should go get some cold brew. The listeners. To listen to this. Absolutely. Yeah, you need to. If you're just listening to this like, oh, I'm going to do some laundry or go for a walk or do something else, it's
Have fun, I guess, but don't expect to have any idea what's going on. Yeah, this case is, well, this is, like you said, our second time around the track. Say it's a doozy. That's weird. It's a doozy. It's a doozy. Doozy. What's my motherfucking name? So the first time we did this case, as you know, Tank, but I'm informing our listeners, we
It was so confusing and there were so many twists and turns and moving parts that we ended up calling the main character by the wrong name, if you recall. But it was a wild case. It was an absolutely wild case. And the thing is, if you're not really paying attention and keeping your eye on the bouncing ball, you're going to miss it.
And I'm going to keep us on track. Oh, that's your fucking expertise. Yeah, I'm going to be just as confused as anyone else. Yeah, yeah. So I'm going to be asking questions. Wait, go back, explain who this is. Not to the point where it becomes annoying, like I'm a DJ that just won't let the record play, but that was for people in New York who know that Funk Flex does that, and that's it. Very few people are going to understand that. Do you even know what I'm talking about? I know Funk Flex.
Funk Flex has never let a song play through in his entire life. Obviously worked out nicely for him. He plays 10 seconds and then drops a bomb and then brings it back and then plays 10 seconds and then drops a bomb and brings it back and then 20 seconds. It's like the most...
Oh, you're not a fan. Okay. It's funny because I'm not, but I am. It's like he just drags the song out way longer than it should be. It's his signature. It is his signature. He did it when DOA premiered Jay-Z's song, Death of Auto. Dead on Arrival? No, Death of Auto 2. Oh, okay.
Shit. Fucking true crime fanatic over here. Well, what did you think? I was talking about Bon Jovi. Is that a Bon Jovi song? D.O.A.? No. Dead or Alive. Oh, well, that's D.O.A. Yeah, it is. I can't believe I just sang. But as we run through this case, just if you get lost...
It's not you. It's the case. Not all those who wander are lost. Right. Also, you said to me before, if something doesn't make sense in the moment, don't freak because it will make sense later on. Right. Just hang on. Be patient. Go through this journey with us. We're going to hold your hand. It's going to pay off. It's going to pay off. Yeah.
So, you little psychos, welcome to the podcast. For those of you who have graduated to Seam and Demon, we're over there, heavy. We just did some stuff for the Patreon. That thing is going to be chocked full of content left and right. We're over there freaking out. Yeah, patreon.com slash psychopedia pod. Listen, if you like the podcast on Apple and Spotify and wherever you listen, great. If you want more of it,
And maybe a little different twist on it that's over there. We're doing Psychopedia Unhinged, which is really bringing life to me. It is. I fucking love it. You have a really good time during those episodes. I really do. I just let it all hang out. And, you know, it's a fun time. We revisit old cases that... That made an impression upon us. Made an impression upon us. We were impacted by that stuck with us. We go back, we go through it.
And we say what we should have said during the first episode. Even more than that, and I'm going to take a comment from the Patreon page. Somebody said that the reason why they love the Patreon episode so much is because they feel like they're getting to know you and I. Oh, yeah. Like personally. Yeah. Which is great.
I got a DM from somebody on Instagram that said, you guys are so good together. How did you guys meet? Like, can we get that story? And I was like, fucking funny you should ask. Episode one on Patreon. Funny you should ask because episode one on Patreon, which was Feed Me, Fuck Me, Kill Me, the Sharon Lepotka story, but unhinged. Very much so. Yeah, that one was... It was a little wild. That one was a lot. It got out of hand quick.
So we have a brand new case for you today. Brand new for you, not brand new for us, but it's my second time hearing it, but my first time knowing what's going on because I was absolutely lost the last time. We did not go through the entire case because I think we probably got like a quarter of the way through. No, we were like three quarters of the way through. I don't think so. And you were like, oh my God, that's not... Have I been... I was... What the fuck? And then you flipped the table over. And I was like, hey, let's just...
Because so much work goes into these cases. And when I realized we were fucking up the names and we had to stop and redo it, I could not handle it. Yeah. But here we are. You kicked my dog. I absolutely did not do that. Jesus.
By the way, we got another catchphrase coming for you. And I almost just early released it right there. Semen Demons. Semen Demons is about to have a sister. I also had a thought. We may want to do something on the Patreon where we do something with cash and then call it like a podcast.
Or something. I'm so happy right now. There's... Yes. So much yes. Yeah. And we also decided, I believe, that for every 500 Patreons we get... So we're not... As far as goals and like hitting...
100 or 500 or 1,000 and giving a different goal every time. I think we're just for every 500 Patreons we get, we're going to fly someone out to sit in on a live recording with us and hang out and be here for the episode and then probably have lunch and go to the Amityville Horror House or something. I don't know. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. I can put together a tour of creepy pleasures. Really? Yeah.
On Long Island? Yeah. Ooh, that's interesting. This is something Dave and I for fun have been working on. Really? Yes. We go crazy in our marriage. You guys are a shot. How do you keep the romance alive? We go to Pilgrim State Psychiatric Center at night. Yeah, it's spooky. Jesus, it's spooky. All right, so without further ado,
You can let it out. It's ruined for me. It's like, how am I not myself? I can't do it. I can't tell the mayo chicken salad story anymore. So I can't say it's a doozy. No, but without further... Without further... Adieu. Adieu. Okay. Hit it.
Today's case really is one of the most intricate and convoluted that I have researched. Convoluted. Okay. In the words of the real Winston Churchill, it is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. Winston Churchill said that? Yes, he did. He was not referring to this case. He was talking about Russia in 1939, but the sentiment is the same. So this case, as we mentioned, doesn't...
This is our second bite of the apple. We're going to see how we do. We're going to do great. We're going to do great. It's really an intricate puzzle with a thousand moving pieces that makes your head spin. But holy shit, when those pieces come together to form the picture of the case, it is amazing.
And think of it like a jigsaw puzzle where you start putting it together and you start with the edges and the corners and then- A little wobbly here and there. The horse's head, but then it starts coming together. It feels good. Yeah. So with that said, let's just jump right in. Okay.
On the morning of May 7, 2007, in the tranquil village of Kurum, located in the Czech Republic, a man named Edward Trudy was setting up a baby monitor in his home in preparation for the arrival of his first child. Edward meticulously tinkered with the placement of the baby monitor while trying to determine the best spot in the room to ensure optimal coverage of the crib area.
He diligently turned the screen on and off, on and off, while continuously adjusting and readjusting the camera angle until he was satisfied with its placement.
Checking the monitor one last time before exiting the room, Edward found himself perplexed by what he was suddenly looking at on the screen. Because rather than seeing the interior of his baby's nursery like he repeatedly had been all morning, Edward was instead now looking at a grainy, monochrome image of something.
He could not initially figure out what the black and white grainy image was on the screen, but he could tell that it was alive and moving and human. Suddenly, it became bizarrely apparent to Edward that the baby monitor was picking up and transmitting a signal from a different baby monitor or a different camera that must have been located nearby. The background depicted on the screen was that of a small, dark room.
Edward could discern a figure crouched down and engaging with a tiny little object on the ground.
Although the initial view seemed confusing and somewhat unclear, once Edward managed to decipher the image on the screen, there was no mistaking what he was looking at. Dun-dun-dun. And that was a young child of about six or seven years old laying on a concrete floor, completely naked, with his hands and feet bound, playing with a roll of scotch tape. Oh, I fucking hated it so much already.
This is the dark and mysterious case of the Curum Cannibal Mother. Just so you know, I am already not lost. I remember none of this. I know. I can tell by your face. You have a very confused but also engaged look. I'm like waiting for you to get to the part where I remember something, and I'm like, eventually, hopefully. Well, I also uncovered more because I did deeper research from the last time we did this. Some more details.
Today we will be discussing the most shocking type of family abuse and dysfunction you can imagine. And we'll touch upon highly disturbing topics like cults, cages, confinement, and cannibalism. All intertwined with elements of religious mysticism, psychotic delusions, and identity fraud. I mean, the cult was not enough for them? They needed to just steal some credit cards? It just keeps going.
But before delving into the origin of the disturbing footage found on Edwards' baby monitor, let's begin first by exploring the backgrounds of the key individuals involved in this harrowing family narrative. All right, let's keep it together, Tank. With this case, we need to start by examining the perpetrators so that we can back into how the victims tragically wound up where they did.
It's like looking at a picture of the completed puzzle, just to use the analogy from before, on the box before trying to make sense of all the little pieces. Yeah. Is it possible to put together a puzzle without looking at the picture on the box? I don't know. I would never even attempt something. Sure. Why not? You can, you just, you match the shapes. You match the pieces together. No. It's harder, but it's possible.
So there are three main perpetrators in this twisted tale. 31-year-old Clara Maurova. Clara. Clara's 33-year-old sister, Katerina. Clara Katerina. And Clara's 13-year-old adopted daughter, Annika, who also goes by the name Anna. Clara Katerina and Annika. Slash Anna. Two sisters and an adopted daughter? Yes. Okay, got it. Let's start with Clara.
Clara Marovova was born on January 30th, 1977 in Brno's Czech Republic and was raised in a tight-knit family with her older sister, Katerina, and their younger sister, Gabrielle. The Marovas were a moderately religious Catholic family that would occasionally go to church. In the Czech Republic? Yes. Okay.
Though Clara and her sisters were raised strictly on the principles of the Ten Commandments and the golden rule of do unto others as you would have them do to you. It should just be 11 commandments. Just make that golden rule a commandment. Yeah, why is it separate, you know? I have no idea. I don't know. Oh, you know, I do know why. The Ten Commandments came
came down with Moses or for Moses and do unto others as you would have them do unto you is didn't come till the New Testament with Jesus. There you go. Wow. Smarty pants. Yeah. By the way, if that's not right, keep it to yourself. Okay. I don't want to hear it. Do unto others. Don't nail them to the cross over it. Please leave me alone. Unintended. I got excited.
Overall, Clara, Katerina, and Gabrielle were raised in a loving environment and had a typical childhood. But as they entered their teenage years, both Clara and Katerina began to struggle with mental health issues. Katerina and Clara both began experiencing dreams and visions about being selected by God as His chosen ones, and this was in their teenage years. Clara, in particular, felt that she was Joan of Arc, reincarnated, and that she was destined to fulfill a special mission for God.
Along with this extraordinary destiny came certain gifts, according to Clara, including the ability to resurrect the dead. Wow. As such, Clara decided one day to place a pillow over Katerina's face with the intention of suffocating her so that she could flex her ability to bring her dead sister back to life.
Didn't happen, by the way. Interesting approach. And this Messiah complex, while not a clinical term or a diagnosable disorder, is most often reported in patients suffering with bipolar disorder and or schizophrenia.
And her psychological deterioration was not going unnoticed at this point in her life. Social workers and teachers at Clara's school reached out to her parents to express their concern over the escalating symptoms of mental health issues in both Clara and Katerina, but more so in Clara. Yeah. Clara thought she was Joan of Arc, right? Yeah. Okay. However, their parents chose to disregard these concerns and refused to have the girls evaluated or treated.
Instead, just writing off their behaviors as signs of mystical inclinations. In fact, their parents' only action was to withdraw the girls from school, which led to a further decline in their mental health conditions. Sure.
Upon turning 18, Clara experienced an unplanned pregnancy that led her to marry her significantly older boyfriend, Radek Kufal. In 1997, they welcomed that baby, a little boy named Jacob, into the world. And then two years after that, they had their second child, also a boy named Andre.
While everything seemed to happen in rapid succession for Clara at a pretty young age, her life was wholesome and it was moving along smoothly. Yeah. That is until she reached the age of 26 and her undiagnosed, untreated schizophrenia symptoms began to rise to the surface once again. So scary. Yeah. I mean, years and years and years of having no treatment.
and a real issue, it's not going to go away. No, I mean the fact that schizophrenia waits that long. Sometimes I think I may be also speaking out of turn here, but in your 20s is when schizophrenia tends to take the deepest hold on the most people. Obviously you can set in earlier, can set in later, but the majority, I was terrified I was going to become schizophrenic in my 20s. What were your symptoms that led you to have that fear? Just hallucinations and Messiah complex and
Killed a couple of people. That's what I thought you were going to say. No, I used to be like a mental illness hypochondriac. I used to think like, oh man, I saw American Psycho and I was like, oh, the mask of sanity is slipping. I'm definitely going to be schizophrenic and I'm going to wind up killing hundreds of people and I'm not going to be able to stop myself. It goes back to, which I've spoken about on here before, the intrusive thoughts. It was legitimately my biggest mental illness, I guess.
I don't even know if that's what it's called, was the fear of having, it was like a fear of having horrific mental illnesses that would change my life forever. Wow. Mental illness exclusively or physical illnesses? No, I didn't give a shit about my physical health. I knew that was fine. Yeah. Yeah. I thought I was going to snap one day.
I'm okay right now being here with you. I feel okay. Good. My dad works in B2B marketing. He came by my school for career day and said he was a big ROAS man. Then he told everyone how much he loved calculating his return on ad spend.
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It didn't take long for Clara to start viewing her husband and children as obstacles standing in her way from achieving this greater destiny. Clara's marriage with Roddick unsurprisingly turned tumultuous and toxic, which led Roddick to ultimately file for divorce. At this point, in spite of Clara's rapidly declining mental health state, she was still a doting, attentive, and decent mother towards her sons.
Following the divorce, she decided to take Jacob and Andre and move into a new apartment with their aunt, her sister, Katerina. Oh, yeah. And Jacob and Andre were coping remarkably well with all of the recent changes to their family dynamic and home. They remained the same spirited kids that they were before their mother's condition really took hold. Jacob's interests included dinosaurs, basketball, and playing the flute, while Andre had a passion for hockey and exploring the outdoors.
Most importantly, though, the children had a loving and caring mother, a father that they saw every other weekend, and an aunt who was helping to raise them day to day. Sadly, this once stable and seemingly normal life took a dramatic and irreparable turn when Clara made the decision to adopt a 13-year-old girl named Annika. Here.
Here comes Annika. The girl had been attending a daycare slash youth center where Katarina worked, and she presented as having a profoundly challenging past that began in Norway, where she claimed to have been orphaned at a very young age, and then bounced around from different children's homes where she endured extensive abuse and maltreatment.
At a young age, Annika purports to have been sold into a sex trafficking ring that ultimately led her to the Czech Republic, where she somehow amazingly managed to escape...
Wow. Wow.
Annika was in a desperate way and really was in sort of a laser-focused pursuit to find someone who would adopt her and provide her with the protection, stability, and much-needed medical attention that she needed to survive. Yeah, of course. After encountering this child at the daycare center where she worked, it was Katerina who took the initiative to introduce Annika to her sister Clara.
And without hesitation, Clara welcomed Annika into her home and made the decision to initiate an official adoption process in September of 2005.
So after moving in with Clara and her children, Jacob and Andre and Katarina, red flags surrounding this very sad yet undeniably unusual child, Annika, started to pop up left, right, and center. Following her move into Clara's home and her official infiltration into the Maurova family,
When Annika began to undergo chemotherapy treatment, Clara started receiving text messages from an individual purporting to be Annika's doctor, prohibiting Clara from attending the chemotherapy. And this supposed pediatric oncologist was the same doctor who was said to have treated Anna after she escaped the sex ring. Annika? Yeah, but she also goes by Anna. I swear to God, when I heard you say she also goes by, I thought you said Annika.
And I was like, that won't be confusing. Annika, Katerina, her sister Clara, her sister Katerina. Katerina also went by Annika, who also went by Clara. It's not going to get confusing. Don't worry. We're a quarter of the way through the case and you are confused.
So this doctor's texting Clara, okay? And this is the same doctor now who is- Allegedly doctor. Correct. Who said to be treating Annika, who goes by Anna, after she escaped the pedophile ring, saying, do not come to chemotherapy. It's weird. That's my fucking point. Totally normal. Right. Totally normal doctor behavior to do that.
He also refused to ever speak with Clara on the phone or to meet with her face-to-face. He would only ever text. He was catfishing. Yeah. Yeah. And as if this wasn't peculiar enough, this doctor, and I'm doing air quotes for our listeners, had begun to regularly send Clara text messages with explicit instructions on how she should treat and care for Annika at home.
He indicated, via text of course, that it was Clara's responsibility to aid Annika in her recovery from her traumatic past and to help her combat her leukemia. He would communicate precise instructions to Clara on how she was to administer the specialized care. Pop quiz. I felt it brewing.
And I almost said, I feel a pop quiz coming about seven seconds ago, but I just let it go. And now everyone thinks I'm lying. PQ, what explicit instructions did the doctor provide to Clara in order to aid Anika's healing process, both physically and emotionally?
Oh my God. Oh.
wire money, massage your genitals or a rebirth there. I have a story after this. Um, can't wait. Uh,
Uh, wire money is the... No? No. That's what I was going to say is not the answer. Uh-huh. I cut you off. Okay. Yeah. Um, rebirth sessions? Nope. Ew. He made... So, massage her? Yeah. And what else was in there? Offer continuous praise and buy her at least one gift every day. Oh, so like, Anika's texting Clara. Maybe. We're going to get into it. It's possible. That's...
That's crazy. I know. I just picture her sitting there with her little thumbs typing, okay, you have to buy her a gift every day, tell her how amazing she is, and give her a handjob every day. What? Love, Dr. So-and-so. Give her a handjob.
And Clara agreed to this. Well, Clara shot Till. Yeah. The thing of it is the following. All of the players involved have really deep-seated psychological issues. Of course. If that wasn't clear. Yeah, it's clear.
I do have a story real quick. It's one of my favorite stories of all time. When I was in California, I used to go to these meetings and sometimes they were guided meditation meetings. Somebody would be asked to lead the meeting. It's just some rando doing a guided meditation. So one day, this guy, won't say his name, doesn't matter, nobody's going to know who he is, but he was the type of guy to like, he had a soul patch and he would have a guitar with him all the time. Fucking the worst.
So he's, you know, we start the meeting and it's like, it's 7 a.m., by the way. And he's like, you know, relax the top of your head, your scalp, just let it let it go. Just your forehead, your eyebrows, your eyeballs, let your eyeballs just let them go and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, already, I know this guy's weird. So I'm already thinking about how he's going to circumnavigate the dick area. Yeah.
It's such a freak. Okay. I'm like, I can't wait to see how he gets around it. So he goes through the chin, the neck, the upper chest, the sternum, the upper abs, lower abs. I'm like, here we go. Here we go. He goes, relax your lower abdomen. Just let it, whatever, all the stress melt away from there. And then he takes what felt like an eternity, but was probably like three seconds, because every other part of the body, he was just running right through. Yeah. And then he goes...
All right, now relax your genitals and just let them melt. Let everything melt out of there. I was like, dude, why didn't you just skip it? Because he wanted your penis to be relaxed. But he didn't have to like...
It was just such a weird choice on his part. And me and my friend who live over there, who I'm still very close with, say relax your genitals all the time to each other. It's one of my favorite phrases. Relax your genitals might become another catchphrase. It is 100% right now. Didn't mean for this to happen, but... Relax your genitals. Relax your genitals is what you will probably say to me when I say something about Annika Huffman.
So throughout this period of time, another alarming behavior emerged that drew concerns from neighbors and family and friends. And it was the fact that Anna refused to walk on her own. Instead, she would force Clara to carry her up and down the stairs to their apartment and demonstrate explosive fits of rage and threats of suicide should Clara not comply.
There were harrowing incidents in which Annika nearly jumped in front of a moving train during one of her tantrums. On another occasion, she brandished a knife and threatened to throw herself out of an open window. She can't walk, but she can jump in front of a train? I mean, this is what we're dealing with. Annika also consistently avoided making eye contact with adults and would look down at the floor whenever somebody would speak to her.
This behavior wasn't due to an inability to make eye contact or a developmental issue. She merely chose not to engage in eye contact. Strange choice. Whenever anyone would make a comment to Clara pointing out any one of these peculiar behaviors...
Clara would staunchly defend Annika by explaining that she had a troubled past and as a result, she should not be held to the same standard or expectation as a typical 13-year-old child who had not experienced the same horrors that Annika had endured. A
Allegedly. Allegedly. But at this point, this is where everybody exists in the case, on this plane that there's this troubled teenager. She survived a sex trafficking ring and she's got leukemia. Give her a fucking break. Right. But regardless of how bizarre any of the aforementioned behavior sound, it was all pretty innocuous until that point. Strange, to be sure, but not hurtful to others. Yeah. Until now. Oh.
When Annika decided to target Clara's sons, eight-year-old Jacob and six-year-old Andre, she resented the attention that the boys received from their mother and desired to have Clara all to herself. So in an effort to turn Clara against her own children, Annika... Just keep going. Run through it. Deceitfully...
Deceitfully convinced Clara that they had been relentlessly bullying her behind Clara's back. And by this stage, Clara had become so adept at attending to Anika's every need and heeding her every word as instructed by the doctor through text messaging and consistently reinforced by Anika on a daily basis. She was conditioned.
Annika had effectively turned Clara into this malleable piece of clay that she could manipulate and shape in a manner that served Annika's own personal agenda, which ultimately turned out to be diabolical in nature. Yeah. Clara stopped eating, bathing, and taking care of herself. Clara the mom? The mother. Okay. Because she was being so manipulated and her mental health condition was worsening. Oh, fuck. That's right. Totally, honestly, terrible.
completely forgot about the whole schizophrenia thing and bipolar. That is... Arguably made her more susceptible to this manipulation. That's a huge piece of the puzzle. Right. Clara was only sleeping for about three hours a night at this point, and she really had sadly become a mere shadow of her former self. Yeah. But most tragically, Clara completely turned against her young sons. Mm-hmm.
Annika, the puppet master, had successfully pulled the strings of her psychologically challenged adoptive mother, meticulously isolating her from her own children, her extended family by this point, whom she'd been very close with, and all of her friends and neighbors. The only person Annika seemed to allow to remain in Clara's life was Katerina.
Annika possessed a remarkable ability to switch between two distinct personas. At times, she would display an explosive, hot-tempered, and petulant demeanor resembling what you might expect to see from a child with a difficult past. Yeah. And then she would seamlessly transform into a cold, calculated, emotionally detached, manipulative individual displaying a level of maturity far beyond her 13 years.
much like someone with psychopathy can do. Mm-hmm. So, who is this enigmatic child named Annika? Who was this child capable of flipping out one moment and then displaying an eerie calm and sense of control the next? Pop quiz. I'm really asking, who the hell was Annika? Okay. A, a 16-year-old runaway suspected of murdering her family in Norway. Ha ha ha.
B, an 18-year-old Russian spy. C, a 33-year-old award-winning classical composer. I don't want to do this one. A 16-year-old who murdered her family. An 18-year-old... An 18-year-old Russian spy. An 18-year-old Russian spy. Or a 33-year-old classical composer. Fuck, I don't know. My brain hurts right now. Shall I tell you? A 16-year-old who murdered her family. No. No.
33-year-old classical composer? Yep. Yeah, Spy just seems a little bit out there, but so does a 33-year-old... I don't know. It seems more out there than the reality? I have no idea. This is obviously a huge plot twist. There's no 13-year-old girl named Hanukkah. She doesn't exist.
But there's very much an outlandishly disturbed 33-year-old award-winning classical composer named Barbara Skrilova with a pituitary gland disorder that stunted her growth and kept her in a perpetual childlike appearing stage. It gave her leukemia. No.
No, that wasn't real. I know. I'm joking. Holy shit. Barbara Squirillova. So now what are we going to call her? Annika or Barbara? This is where I admittedly get even more confused. So let's keep it simple then. Okay. Okay. What are we going to call her? Let's call her Barbara. That's her name. Okay. You know the part in The Matrix where that child is holding up a spoon to Keanu Reeves and she's like, you need to realize the reality. And he's like, what's that?
And she's holding a spoon. And she goes, there is no spoon. That's this fucking case. That's Annika slash Barbara. Yeah. Like there is no Annika. But she's right there. She's a figment of her imagination. It's a lot. It's a lot.
So just to recap to level set, Clara is real. Yes. Katarina is real. Yes. Those two are sisters. Yes. Clara has two children. Jacob and Andre. Andre. Anika, a.k.a. Anna...
formerly known as both of those, is actually Barbara Skrilova, who is a 33-year-old award-winning classical composer who has infiltrated this family. Yep. She has a pituitary issue. Yep. So she looks like a child or whatever, a teenager. What is she doing there? Why would she do this? Well, we're going to find out. Okay. Who is Barbara Skrilova?
Born in Czech Republic on July 20th, 1974, Barbara was raised by two parents who struggled with alcohol addiction and who very largely neglected her and her siblings. Sources indicate that she spent the majority of her childhood alone.
By the time she entered her teenage years, Barbara started suffering from mental health issues, including disassociative personality disorder and schizophrenia. She was also, shocking, a pathological liar. Oh, so she had issues also. Yes, sir. So Barbara, as I mentioned, was diagnosed with a condition called hypopituitarism, which is characterized by a hormonal deficiency that stunted her growth and kept her appearing far younger than she really was, well into adulthood.
As the world around her continued to treat her like a child, Barbara decided that she liked the attention. Yeah. It's probably because it was all the attention that she was not given during her actual childhood. Yeah. And she wanted more of that attention. So Barbara made the decision to use her condition to her advantage by manipulating adults around her into providing her with food, money, attention, and even their last names.
Clara was not the first person who Barbara attempted to have legally adopt her. So she did, she made this like a thing. Yep. On two previous occasions, she sought families to officially adopt her. But in each instance, her fraudulent actions were exposed. As a consequence, she was placed into psychiatric care. During the first time, she managed to escape from the facility. During the second time, she remained in care for a considerable amount of time before she was released in her late 20s.
Following her release from the psychiatric facility, Barbara went on to study music and performing arts at college, which is where she actually met Katerina Maurova. At college. At college. Now, if you recall, Katerina worked at a daycare youth center where she supposedly met Barbara when Barbara was Annika. Yeah. Okay. And that really happened.
Within a few months... Wait, did she meet her at college or at daycare? She met her at college and then got Barbara a job at the daycare center. Okay. So now they're working together. Yeah. The implication was obviously that Annika was a child at the daycare. Right. Within a few months of working at the daycare center, Barbara's behavior started to change and she began behaving less like the responsible adult in the room and more like the children under her care.
It was then that Barbara hatched a plan, this time with the help of Katerina, to transition into Annika. She quit her job at the daycare center and dedicated herself full-time into becoming Annika.
She lost a tremendous amount of weight, over half of her body weight to be exact. Really? Started to wear children's clothing and underwent breast reduction surgery. Wow. All to get some food and attention? Yep. I mean, definitely all to feed some kind of psychological deficit going on. But yeah. Yeah.
Then, months later, Barbara reintroduced herself to the world as a 13-year-old orphan named Annika. And this is when Katerina introduced her to her mentally unstable sister, Clara. All right? Okay. And remember the doctor, obviously, who was overseeing Barbara's treatment, who would only communicate via text message? Well, he, too, never existed in the world.
in true form. Obviously. He was another accomplice in this batshit insane scheme. Oh, so someone was actually telling Claire to rub her genitals? Yep. We're going to circle back to this mystery person shortly. Okay. So it's the summer of 2006, okay?
It's about one year after Barbara became Annika and she's living with the Maurova family. All right. So she's now 14. I'm just kidding. Sure. And Clara is full steam ahead on making this adoption legal. Yeah. All right. So Katerina and Barbara are obviously well aware of the deceptive nature of their scheme and they understand that they need to find a way to circumnavigate the conventional legal channels here because they're
As part of the adoption process, Barbara would have to undergo a physical examination to verify her age. Oh, yeah. How were they going to manage that small issue? Pop quiz. Okay. How did they manage to get through the medical evaluation component of the adoption process?
Smart. Savvy. C. No. Wow. B? No. No.
Yeah. Which I don't even remember what that was. Katerina had a friend who was the mother of a real 13-year-old girl. Oh. Incredibly, she managed to persuade her friend into allowing her to use her daughter to impersonate Annika during the medical examination. Wow. And in the end, their clever scheme succeeded in deceiving the legal system and the adoption was successfully completed. Wow.
Wow. Barbara Skrilova legally became Annika Maurova. But we are going to still just refer to her as Barbara moving forward. Okay. All right. And this brings us back to where we left off with Barbara now living in Clara's home and setting her sights on taking down Jacob and Andre.
If you recall, Barbara indicated to Clara that the boys were bullying her. Understandably, with the addition of this new and peculiar sister, and likely due to all the trouble she was causing behind Clara's back, coupled with Clara's now neglect of the children because of her heightened psychological decline,
Jacob and Andre did in fact begin to misbehave and act out. Yeah. How old are Jacob and Andre again? Do you remember or no? It doesn't matter. They're kids, right? Imagine you're a six-year-old boy or a nine-year-old boy. Let's say nine-year-old because a six-year-old was probably less savvy or picked up on this. But like a 13-year-old girl moves into your house and instantly you're like, there's no way this fucking chick is six and 13. She's like weird. Yeah, kids are perceptive. I think she's like 30. Right. Like boss baby shit. I think...
Pause, baby. She has a job, dude. She wears a suit.
Unfortunately, though, their new rebellious behavior only served to reinforce Barbara's bullshit claim that they were mistreating her. Of course. It was the perfect layup for Barbara to execute her diabolical plan, which was... It's unbelievable how these people find each other. I know. I was thinking that. I was thinking of you saying that in this episode because it's a point you rightfully raise pretty often. Yeah. It's like one thing for like...
these isolated individuals to exist separately. Yeah. For them to find each other, unite and execute. I know. Is wild. Yeah. So here's what Barbara did. She approached Clara one day and indicated that she had an idea as to how Clara could discipline the boys and keep them in order.
By this point, Clara, the malleable piece of clay that I referred to her being earlier, had become so deeply influenced and brainwashed by Barbara that she adapts herself to whatever Barbara desires of her. Yeah. And her idea involved receiving guidance via text message by the doctor. So here he comes again.
Because incredibly, this doctor who was also apparently an expert in managing children's behavior, according to Barbara, right? So we know that he was not a real oncologist and that he was not a real child behaviorist. He's not a real doctor, right? Not at all. Okay. He was another shameful, evil accomplice in this utterly twisted crime who was controlling, manipulative, convincing, and a bottomless pit of ego. Now,
Hold on tight because we're about to venture even deeper into the realm of crazy town.
Okay. Who was the doctor that was about to set in motion the most depraved form of abuse yet? Okay. Well, he was somebody who was serving at the helm of an offshoot of an international religious cult known as the Grail Movement. You cannot make this up. He was a cult leader. So, Katerina, Katerina's really the ringleader here. Oh.
Because she's in on it from all angles. She knows the deal, but she's taking advantage of her sister. And she's also dealing with this fucking Grail Master. She's not the ringleader, but she's the one who's able to make it happen. Yeah, yeah. Right? So she's the connection between the cult leader, Barbara. And Clara. And Clara. Yeah. Sounds like a ringleader to me, but...
No, no, she's not the ringleader. She's just organizing everything. No, she's not the ringleader. They're both guilty. She didn't set the pieces in motion. Yeah, but she helped to... Heavy lifting. Yes. Situation. Yes. She's the heavy lifter, all right?
So aside from being an actual cult leader, who else was the doctor? What other hat did he wear? Pop quiz. A, he was also the mayor of Currum, which was the village they lived in. Mayor of Flavortown, okay. B, he was Barbara's biological father. Whoa. C, he was Katerina's secret lover. Um, Katerina's secret lover? No.
Um, Barbara's father? Yes. Wow. I cannot take this case. The doctor slash cult leader Okay. is also Barbara's father, Joseph Skrlova. Does Katerina know this? Yes. Oh.
Yes. This is going to become more clear, I promise. Even weirder that he would instruct Clara to rub his daughter's genitals. Yeah, but... He's a cult leader. We're not dealing with right-minded folks. Yeah, he's a cult leader. Okay. So it turns out that Barbara and Katerina were part of the same religious cult with an offshoot that existed in the Czech Republic that was led by Barbara's father.
father who in the cult went by the moniker the doctor oh but before delving into the deplorable ways in which the doctor instructed clara katarina and barbara into torturing jacob and andre let me first acquaint you with the fundamental principles of the grail movement
The Grail Movement is a global organization with approximately 10,000 members and originated in Austria around 1928. 10,000 members, okay. It was inspired by the teachings of a self-proclaimed messiah whose name was Oskar Ernst Bernhardt, who also went by the moniker Abdur-Rashid.
Okay. I see the connection. Okay, right. So the Movement's foundation lies in Abdur-Rashid's publication of a book, their scripture, their Bible, which was called In the Light of Truth, The Grail Message.
The Grail Movement's beliefs combine New Age concepts with conventional Christianity. Their followers worship a traditional Christian god, and their belief system starts with a creation narrative. In this belief system, God is depicted as eternal light that radiates. According to the teachings, humanity is comprised of, quote, spirit germs, from which the developed human spirits of the material world radiate.
What is New Age Christianity? What does that mean? It's like Jesus with crystals. Yes, it is.
Jesus with crystals represents New Age Christianity. It represents the Grail Movement. New Age and Christianity do not go together at all. Right. Like, they're diametrically opposed. Yes. Yeah. Little that I know about religion in general, I'm going to agree with that. Yeah. The followers of the Grail Movement also embraced the existence of mythical creatures like gnomes, fairies, and other beings, as well as the idea of reincarnation. Very prevalent in Christianity. Yeah.
I'm joking. I know. That much I know. Gnomes. It purports to answer all of life's questions and provide a much deeper understanding of God's laws, the Ten Commandments, and the Golden Rule, which sounds pretty okay. Yeah, yeah. Right? Sure. The issue with the doctor's particular sect of the Grail movement lie in his interpretation and teachings concerning disciplining children. Oh.
I don't care about any of the fucking gnomes and fairies and shit like that. The only thing that I care about here is his interpretation about children. Yeah, a lot of Christians have weird interpretations of disciplining children, spare the rod, the child, like...
It doesn't mean beat your kids. Sorry. No. As much as you might want it to be because you have a bad temper and no discipline, it's not what it means. Spare the rod, save the child, I think, or something like that. It basically means hit your kids. They think. Is that why like nuns in Catholic schools are said to... They took it to the max. Yeah. That's so unfortunate. Yeah. So in their scripture or the Bible of the Grail Movement, which as I said was called the Light of Truth...
The fourth commandment states, thou shalt honor father and mother. And this is how it was outlined in the original scripture. Yeah. Well, that's also a regular commandment. Yeah. But no, no, I'm going to actually read you how it's outlined in their scripture. Oh,
Oh, okay. So he took that and he was like...
Woe then unto those children who do not absolutely fulfill the commandment. A heavy karma would fall upon them. So my interpretation, after reading between the lines, is that the objective here is to keep children strictly within the boundaries so that they're more susceptible to being programmed as obedient followers who unquestionably adhere to the cult's beliefs without deviation. Classic cult indoctrination. Accordingly,
via text message, these were the instructions that the doctor gave to Carla, who by now had also joined the cult. This sounds like something that would happen in the early 1900s, by the way. So every time you say text messages, I'm like, oh yeah, that's... Yeah, just as a reminder, it's August 2006 at this point in the case.
So this is what happened. And it's very, very disturbing and very graphic. And it does involve child abuse. So please, please, please listen with caution. First, the doctor advised Carla to cut the children off from all external influences, remove them from school, and disallow them from having any contact with their extended family.
Next, Carla was tasked with delivering nine-year-old Jacob and eight-year-old Andre to an isolated cottage under the supervision of three court members who were individuals in higher positions within the cult. This cottage would function as a re-education camp, and the three court members responsible for running it were 29-year-old Jan Tarek, 26-year-old Hanna Basova,
and 23-year-old Jan Skrilova, who happened to also be Barbara's biological brother. Clara was instructed to view herself as a tutor rather than the boy's mother. Then, this sadistic group of adults, so the three court members I just mentioned, plus Barbara, Katerina, and Clara,
commenced with the re-education program. The torment began with Clara, Katerina, and Barbara forcing the boys to kneel for extended periods of time. Then, Andre and Jacob were locked inside small dog cages, completely naked, without blankets or any source of comfort or warmth, and were forced to sleep, urinate, and defecate behind those bars.
They were starved, tortured, beaten, and sexually assaulted. I fucking don't like that at all. The boys were required to bathe in buckets of freezing cold water during the winter and were burned with cigarettes, given electric shocks, carved with forks, beaten with bamboo sticks and belt buckles, and almost drowned on a recurring basis.
Additionally, the brothers were forced to slice their flesh with knives. Whenever removed from their cages, Jacob and Andre were handcuffed to a table and forced to stand in their own urine and excrement for days. If either boy vomited, they would be forced to eat it. At one point, the women decided to force-feed Jacob and Andre to make them gain weight, after which they held Andre and Jacob down, skinned their legs, and then
and ate the raw flesh. Andre also had a piece of flesh cut from his backside before it was passed around and consumed by the adults. The women even forced the boys to eat their own flesh.
There were other forms of abuse beyond just the physical, as if this wasn't horrendous and heartbreaking enough. With their heads covered, the boys were made to memorize vulgar words and phrases, had industrial music blaring 24-7 to disorient them, and were forced to dig graves and lie in them while being told repeatedly that they were dead and would only be allowed to be brought back to life if they behaved themselves.
The boys were forced to fight each other with knives, which for me, for whatever reason, put me over the edge. Because this whole time... For whatever reason. Well, that one aspect. Yeah. Because I envisioned the two of them in it together. Yeah. It wouldn't have made it any easier, but I just feel like they had each other. And then when I heard that they were pitted against each other... Yeah. For some reason, that destroyed me. What are you... Like, your brain, when you're doing this...
What is it like? It's dark. It's very focused. Yeah.
Do you cry? Yeah. And then inevitably, I just kind of try to evaluate why this happened and I try to make some kind of sense of it. This is a classic case of shitstorm of things coming together. Mental illness, knowing the wrong people at the wrong time in the wrong place, getting the wrong message, internalizing the message as truth because you're looking for something, because you're so vulnerable and susceptible. And the kids...
obviously suffered yes the most out of anybody it's not even close yes it sucks to have schizophrenia that's rough i'm sure i can't imagine what that must be like but these kids i mean they're the true victims oh by it's an understatement of a lifetime yeah yeah all these people are going through it but the kids are innocent and uh
Fuck. All right. Weeks turned into months, three months to be precise at this point. And the court, which as I mentioned, were those three cult members. The fake court. The fake court. Yeah. Then notified Clara, Katerina and Barbara that Clara was no longer needed at the reprogramming sessions and that she could leave.
The three women ended up leaving and moving into a home acquired by the cult where Barbara enjoyed a luxurious room and a luxurious home all to herself. And where were the kids at this point? They were still at the cottage. Oh, God.
They went on to endure four more agonizing months in that wretched hellhole. Then Andre was allowed to leave and was sent back to the home with these three fucking she-wolves who just picked up right where he left off at the cottage. Andre was forced, now back in the home, to stay in a cold, cramped closet beneath the staircase.
enduring constant darkness and torture. He was left bound and naked with a surveillance camera trained on him 24-7. Until five months later, on May 7th, 2007, when a man named Edward decided to set up a baby monitor in his son's nursery. Thank God. And this brings us to the top of the case.
Edward notified the police, who of course realized that the image of the naked and bound child transmitting onto Edward's baby monitor must be coming from a nearby signal. The police basically started knocking on doors around Edward's home until they came across Clara's home. They asked Clara when she opened the door if she had a son or a young child, to which she replied, I don't have a son, but I have a 13-year-old sickly daughter named Annika.
And as if on cue, Annika came flying down the steps, started thrashing around, grabbing onto the officer's legs, screaming, Mama, Mama, no, no, no, no, no. While Clara continued to maintain that there were no other children in the house. Quick question. Yeah. Does Clara know Annika's Barbara yet?
By this stage, I think she knows that Barbara is Barbara, but she is so indoctrinated into the cult by this point and so broken down. I don't know if she knows which end is up. Yeah. So Clara's denying to the cops that she has a kid and Barbara's freaking out on the cops. And incredibly, this whole shit show was transmitting onto Edward's baby monitor. Oh, wow. So he gets in contact with the cops again and he's like,
This child is definitely in that house because it's coming through on the baby monitor. Wow. And then one of the law enforcement agents found the closet door beneath the steps and saw a padlock on it. They called in the fire department, busted open the door and...
And firefighters were slammed by the smell of vomit, human excrement, and dried urine. And the sight of this poor kid. Yeah. And the oppressive heat in the confined space was so unbearable that it made the pungent smell of human waste that much more potent. Much to their shock and horror, sitting amidst all the filth was a small, naked, malnourished child.
dehydrated child with bound hands and circular welts all over his body, playing with a roll of scotch tape. Clara and Katerina were both immediately arrested while emergency services rushed Andre to the Bruno Children's Institution for medical attention. They also took Barbara to the Children's Institute because they thought that she was a child in need of rescuing.
By the time a doctor came around to examining Barbara, what happened? And this was a couple days after arriving. So they couldn't immediately examine Annika when she first arrived because she was flipping out for three days straight. Yeah. Three days later, they go to examine her. And what happened? Pop quiz. A, Jacob and Andre were kidnapped by a member of the Grail movement. They were gone.
B, Barbara escaped. C, Barbara committed suicide. Barbara escaped. Yeah. Yep. That's the only part you remember? No, I don't even remember that, but her committing suicide didn't make sense and I did not want to even guess that the kids were kidnapped again.
So this child who... So Barbara escaped. Barbara escaped. The hospital. Yep. Okay. And it's baffling to people because they think that she's a developmentally disabled child. Yeah. And she simply vanished. Little do they know she's a developmentally disabled adult. She's just a...
Fucking terrible person is who she is. Yeah. The police released photographs of someone who they felt was a missing child, which led to a series of curious incoming calls from various people, all reporting the same outrageous claim. Oh, that's right. That they had seen that girl before. Only she wasn't a girl. She was a grown woman. Yeah. And at that moment, authorities discovered that Barbara Skrilova was Barbara Skrilova. Yeah.
Award money was being offered by popular tabloids and the hunt to find Barbara became a topic of every conversation nationally and internationally. This was huge. But then, which I think this is just strange, on June 15th, 2007...
Barbara appeared in Copenhagen, Denmark, where she voluntarily surrendered herself to the Czech embassy. Then, when Czech authorities were preparing to send officials over to Denmark to detain Barbara, she once again escaped. What is wrong with these people? What the fuck is happening? Is she a magician? Czech police had foreign inquiries at this point into Denmark, Germany, and Sweden as they continued their international search for Barbara Skrilova.
And in January 2008, the most alarming discovery was made after now seven months of searching. Pop quiz. What was this alarming discovery? I feel like is she a magician is one of those things you're going to wish you laughed at later because that was a good one.
Sometimes your really, really timely jokes are also during a time in which I am very deep. That's how I feel about the pop quizzes. When something heavy is happening and then you pop quiz me, I'm like, how dare you? I kind of do that on purpose to bring you some levity. Okay. Bring you out of it. Thank you so much. Your sacrifice is noted. So PQ, what was the alarming discovery? Okay. A,
Okay. Okay.
See, under the new alias of Ella Johansson, Barbara successfully, once again, got herself legally adopted. I do remember that it was B. Yeah. Because the Arctic Circle threw me for a loop last time. This case is insane. She turned up in the city of Tromso, which is located in Norway, 190 miles above the Arctic Circle. Yes.
And she was posing as a little boy named Adam. Anyway, we are coming to an end here. Thank God. Barbara. I'm going to let that go. Barbara was arrested and extradited to the Czech Republic on January 9th. Where she escaped and was found 200 miles south of the South Pole. Let's talk about Barbara for a moment.
Where she was found in the core of the earth. I mean, it would make sense in the context of this case. Anything makes sense. Anything goes here. Yeah. It's theorized that Barbara had a true psychological condition known as age dysphoria. Yeah. Okay. Dysphoria is a mental state in which a person has a profound sense of unease or dissatisfaction. The opposite of euphoria. Yes, sir.
When she'd speak about herself as Barbara, the 33-year-old, she'd speak in third person, suggesting some kind of disassociation. She exhibited histrionic personality traits, significant anomalies, and a strong tendency towards manipulative behavior.
There was also clear evidence to me that she was a sadomasochist. In spite of Barbara's clear psychological issues, it was determined, however, that she acted completely of her own volition, meaning she was to be held legally culpable for her actions when the time came. But before we get into their sentences and convictions, you must be dying to know. You must.
Why, aside from being, you know, mentally unfit, why did Barbara infiltrate the Maurova family and fuck with them so horrendously? Apart from deriving sadistic pleasure from it, which I'm sure she did.
Was there a deeper motive behind all the lies, deceit, fake adoption documents, messages from the doctor, breaking down the children to mold them into obedient cult members? What was the ultimate goal here of the various players involved? There have been suggestions that Joseph Skrlova and his adherents were laying the groundwork to elevate Barbara into becoming the next Messiah. Oh.
Oh, okay. And in classic cult fashion, they preyed upon vulnerable individuals, including Clara and her children, who could then be manipulated into blindly following their orders. Okay. And that was the driving force behind this whole thing. All right, so what was the sentence?
I'm asking because I need to know at the end of this that these people went away and weren't able to... Okay. We're going to skip to the sentencing here so that your head doesn't explode. Katerina got 10 years. That's insane. Clara got nine years, of which she only served five. And Barbara got five years. How? Today, all three women walk three. And what about the boys? Walk three, not three. They walk in threes everywhere. Yeah.
They're inseparable. There also was not enough evidence to go after Joseph Skorlova or the three members of the court. Wow. How? That's not enough time for them. No, not even close.
Following their arrest, the entire nation turned their attention and support to Andre and Jacob. Yeah. Great. Gifts for the boys poured in, and an anonymous donor sponsored them twice to go on summer trips to Italy, to the Italian seaside. Wow. Their maternal grandmother ultimately got custody of them, and eventually an American family adopted them. Wonderful. I hope that worked out. Yeah. I'm going to just leave off on this. Many years later, Andre made the following statement on a Facebook post.
If you get hurt by someone who took the benefit from you with high hopes, learn to respect him and take him as the biggest teacher of yours. Because if your life is going smoothly, you become a delicate person. If on the other hand, you experience tragic circumstances, you develop inner power and courage to face them. Wow. That is fucking crazy. Yeah. That is really powerful. Remarkable perspective. Yeah. And take away from that. That situation is horrific. Yeah.
However, I do know tons of people not have been through anything as extreme as that. Like whenever I'm talking to somebody or I'm in a meeting and someone's talking about being physically abused, I always get so sad. And then ultimately they're able to take something from it, something positive, something that helps them throughout their every day. I guess when the bar is set that low for you as a child, like nothing can hurt you after that.
Yeah. But it does affect you. That's an optimistic way of looking at it. And I think in terms of the people that you may meet at your meetings, those people are in a position where they're like ready to grow and heal. And I don't know that many people, definitely not all people. I don't know how many. Well, I'm glad Andre. That was Andre. That was Andre. I arrive at that point where they're ready to heal. Yeah. I hope so. Oh my God. I hope so.
Annika Barbara Skrilova. Just Barbara Skrilova. Annika Maurova Barbara Skrilova. Jay Hova. Of course. Of course he went there.
Book of Hove. And I know it was confusing. I know. I am very grateful for those who have stuck around. Yeah, if you made it this far, hit us up. Yeah. Because we want to, I need a buddy in this. That's why we want to start flying people out. Yeah. So someone can sit with me and go through this with me. You want somebody to stay here and share this with you? Yeah. She won't stay and share this with me.
I heard Huckabees, you guys. Yeah. Didn't know. All right. So, well, first of all, thank you for putting that all together because to sit through it was a lot. I can only imagine what it must have been to put it together.
Yeah. You sacrificed your mental health, your well-being, your physical health, everything to put this case together. And it does not go unnoticed. Thank you. I did so with pleasure as always. Yes. So, and if you listen to it, thank you. Let us know what you thought of it. And I can't wait to revisit this one for Unhinged. It's already Unhinged. It is. We might not unhinge this one.
But great job as always to me. Thank you. Oh, thank you for not giving me that compliment. Great job to you as well. And we will see you guys the next episode. Bye.