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Right now, yeah. Investigator Slater. Listen, I'm just going off of the Patreon comments. Oh, you are loving it in there. And there are, just right off the top of the hour, bald, bearded, muscled, smart, hilarious, tank your house, fuck. And then something about Investigator Slater. What do you mean something about Investigator Slater, you shit?
That's from Klebinator. And then another one said, Tank, you're hot. Investigator Slater, blah, blah, blah. You got problems. Yeah, I got problems. I got Patreon problems. Yeah. Those are from our little semen demons over at patreon.com slash psychopedia pod where I posted the video the other day of me. You were drumming our theme song. Yeah, but I was mouthing it more than I was drumming it because if you isolated the drums...
It would not sound anything like the theme song. By the way, the female voice that added beautiful harmony was mine. I didn't like that. I want it to be the star of the moment. Man, you are not giving me any spotlight. Okay, let me give you a little spotlight. It's okay. I don't need it. Gorgeous, passionate, patriotic. Yes. Oh, because you said you wanted to die for the president. I do. Empathetic with a Wednesday Addams vibe. Slater, you're awesome as fuck. I mean... To which I replied...
I'd officially like this written on my tombstone. Thank you, Slater XO. Yeah, I'll make sure that happens. Thank you. I want bagpipes at my funeral. I've told my wife this. You're not Scottish. Shh.
I wasn't asking for opinions on this. Okay. I was just making a statement. I demand bagpipes at my funeral. It's actually a very moving sound. I want them to play Amazing Grace. So I went to Dave's installation dinner for firefighting and they walk in behind people playing bagpipes, like all the first responders, firefighters. I was bawling. Oh, it's insane. Bagpipes are gorgeous. Speaking of bagpipes, a legend has left us.
Who? Sinead O'Connor. Shut the fuck up. I don't know why I'm so passionate. I felt the same way. Oh my God. You didn't know she died? No. What happened? No cause of death yet, but her 17-year-old son committed- I was just going to say she has teenage children and one of them committed suicide. Yeah, and she just maybe couldn't get past it. I don't know if she ended her own life. Oh.
Oh, no. They're romantic in me. I like stories of like old people, like one of them passes away and then like a month later, the other one dies. Oh, yeah. I love it. I mean, I really believe in love and God when that happens. But I think that may have been a similar situation unless she actually ended her own life because I'm not sure. I don't know. Oh, that's so tragic. But right up your alley, I was watching videos of her last night. First of all, she was incredible. Second of all,
Second of all, she made the bald head cool way before it had any business being cool. I'm not kidding. I remember watching that video with just her head in isolated in the, with the black background. We'll edit that out. Um, and yeah,
We'll put Sinead's voice in there. And she famously ripped up a picture of the Pope on Saturday Night Live. Do you know about this? No. She very famously sang an acapella moving song about fighting and, you know, never giving up. She said, let's fight real evil. And she ripped up a picture of the Pope on Saturday Night Live.
because of the pedophilia and the covering up of it. Oh, wow. Ten years before anybody would even have an inclination that priests were doing this. Right. I mean, she battled with mental health. I've been just, you know, from little, what little I know. I'm sorry to hear that, though. Yeah, me too. She was a golden voice. And also...
Stop fact-checking us, please. I'm just tired of being fact-checked. Oh, are you talking about the Norwegian slash Swedish? No, that was... Yeah, a little bit. That was fine. Listen, should we have things right? Yes. But I'm no investigator Slater. I'm winging it over here. You're doing a great job winging it. And somebody messaged us about my calculations being wrong on the rupee because I just put in rupee and it converted it from...
USD to Indian rupees to USD. And these were Pakistani rupees. And it's like, I don't know. I'm fucking Googling shit on my phone while you're talking, trying to pay attention. So, uh, listen to me, you're doing a phenomenal job. You can fact check us just, you know, send them to investigators later. No, please don't. Please don't.
But the case that we have today, I am all but vaguely familiar with. I have heard rumblings of it on the internet, TikTok and Instagram. This case was requested by one of our little semen demons over on Patreon. That's what we do over there. If you want to get in our ear and really fucking get our attention, get over there because we will do whatever you say over there.
We are but your humble servants. We are but your humble servants. That should be the cover photo on Patreon because we need one.
We do need one. We're winging that too. But the content is fire. It is fire. Mostly because people are talking about you in there. Yeah, the comments are real good. Keep them up. And the Psychopedia Unhinged episodes that we're doing, every time we record one, I'm like, we can't put that out. That's fucking terrible. We sucked. I sucked. That was terrible. And then I listened to them and I'm like, oh shit, it's fucking pretty good. Well, because we have a good time. Yeah, we have a good time. It's a party over there. And that is like...
Dancing, which I love, as you know. I do. You like to get down. I like to get down. I always believed that it was impossible to be a bad dancer as long as you were having fun.
Because you can be a great dancer, choreograph. If you got a straight face and you're just busting moves out like a creep. Oh, yeah. I don't think you're a great dancer. I want you to be having fun. A great dancer moves with his or her face and expression 100%. Yeah, so you could be doing the Elaine from Seinfeld spazzing out. Yeah.
And if you're smiling and having fun, I'm like, that person's a great dancer. Yeah. Yeah, you got the right idea, Tank. Can I just say one thing, though? Sure. I will 100%, and I have been 100% also listening to our little psychos when they make case requests. I have a running list. I just want to put that out there. You have a running list. I have a huge running list. That list is getting longer and longer. I know. I love it. It just makes me want to work harder.
All right, good. Well, that's where I come from. I want to go to bed. Don't worry. I got you. Take a nap. So without further, um, uh, let me get, uh, let's get into the case.
Love can drive people to engage in some pretty outlandish behavior. So can meth. The convergence of these two potent elements in today's case led to the absolutely savage and untimely death of a 25-year-old man named Shad Therian. Underrated intro, by the way. I just hope people really understand how brilliant that intro was. Give me props. Love can make you do crazy things. So can meth.
Love of meth.
It is a recipe for disaster. It sure is. This is unrelated, but we went to San Francisco four years ago for the Comedy Central Cluster Fest. A friend of mine was like, hey, be careful when you go over there. The homeless population is a little aggressive. That's where Dave is right now. I know. And he has indicated the same thing, Sally. I talked to him about it. Okay. I called him. He was out there and I was like, and I told him the same story. I was so sure I was going to be fine there. I was
I was like, dude, my office is on 38th and 8th. I'm good. However, let me tell you something.
I became keenly aware of the difference between someone who is homeless and on heroin and someone who is homeless and on meth. Really? In San Francisco, yes. Because it was nothing like what I thought it was going to be. I almost fought a five-foot-tall woman who looked like Da Brat and was calling me the N-word and a juice head and saying she was going to fucking kill me. I was like...
Let's go. What do you want me to... She was in my face. She was screaming at me because I made eye contact with her for an eighth of a second. So when you say meth makes you do crazy things, you ain't lying, sister. Well, getting in your face is nothing compared to what we're going to talk about tonight. Shad-thoriasis, right? No, shad-tharian. Plaxoriasis, got it. So as I mentioned, the two potent elements of meth
Love, although that's debatable, combined with meth led to the absolutely savage and untimely death of a 25-year-old man named Shadtherian. And when I say savage, I'm referring to body parts being severed and concealed in different places. Yeah. Skin, muscles, and tendons stripped meticulously from the bone. What? His back being sliced open to reveal his rib cage. Oh.
Oh, okay.
The method was tweaking, but on his body. Yeah. Do you know what tweaking is? I do, because you posted a video of me stretching, which is healthy and normal, and you said investigators later is tweaking. But do you know what tweaking really is? It's a reaction to meth. Yeah, it makes them take apart TVs and then ever put them back together. They start cleaning, they ever finish. They take on projects. Yeah.
This is the recent case of Taylor Shabizness, a 24-year-old woman from Green Bay, Wisconsin. These names are just... Taylor Mind Shabizness. Mind Shabizness. Just call her Taylor S. from now on because I will not be able to handle it. We will touch upon her name a little bit later. Get out your business, my business. Yes.
Stay the fuck up out my business. Oh my God. Man, this case is off to a rough start. You need to just sit quietly in the corner. Start from after her name, please.
This is the recent case of a 24-year-old woman from Green Bay, Wisconsin, who claims to have committed the aforementioned atrocities due to her intense love for the victim. Let's begin. At 3.23 a.m. on February 23rd, 2022, this just happened. Officer Alex Wainish and Officer Garth Russell with the Green Bay Police Department responded to a call made by Shad Therian's mother, Tara Pekanich,
who made a rather grisly discovery after being woken up by the sound of the storm door slamming. Startled by the noise of the door, Tara decided to investigate and see if her son was home as she noticed the basement light was still on. As she descended the steps into the basement, her eyes fell upon a five-gallon bucket covered with a beach towel placed at the bottom of the staircase.
Upon removing the beach towel, Tara was confronted with a horrifying sight. Her son's decapitated head, along with his penis and testicles, were found in that very bucket, accompanied by a yellow-handled pocket knife and a Jolly Rancher. I was waiting for that Jolly Rancher. Upon arriving at the residence situated on the 800 block of Stony Brook Lane in Green Bay, Wisconsin,
Oh my God. So his head, his penis, what else was in there? His testicles. His testicles, a pocket knife, and a Jolly Rancher. And
And a nail. Like a hammer nail or like a fingernail? No, a hammer nail. Okay. Were found in a bucket that was covered with a large beach towel. I've seen footage. Me too. Yeah, readily available. And it's so innocuous looking. You can understand why when Tara was descending the steps and she just sees this bucket a little bit out of place. Yeah. She's like, what is this? Moves the towel and sees her son. Yeah, that is absolutely...
It's horrific and beyond, I can't even, so the footage that I saw was the cop finding it. And I'm trying to get off true crime TikTok and YouTube because, you know, if you linger for more than like a second on any of these videos, they're like, this motherfucker wants more true crime now. Give it to him. But it's so interesting. Welcome to my world. You've officially entered it. No, I'm resisting it. I'm resisting it.
Horrible. Nice. Nice.
An attempt to comprehend the underlying factors that led her to commit such a gruesome, bloodthirsty act. This isn't like an accident or an argument gone wrong, gone too far. This is like this person has been cut up meticulously. I mean, I don't believe it was premeditated, but I also don't believe that she snapped in a heat of rage or passion. Right. And we're going to get into talking about... Meth is no joke. Okay.
Hang on to that because I know that you have some pretty solid contributions on that front. I know you really want me to not talk about it right now, so I'm just going to hold my contributions. Some self-control I'm not used to seeing. Until I've been authorized to share my contributions on meth.
Taylor Denise Coronado, later known as Taylor Shabizness. Stop saying Shabizness. It's her fucking name, bro. I saw a DM, I don't remember where it was, that said, please do this case with Shad...
moderate to severe plaque psoriasis and Taylor Shabuiz. I could have, I was like, I'm not reading that last name. I don't even know what it says. I can't, I'm just S-H-A-B, whatever. In my head, I was like, that looks like it says Shabizness, but I was like, it can't say Shabizness. It very much says Shabizness. So let's just get on with Shabizness of this case. All right. And just hang tight for a minute and let me talk, man. All right, I'll grow up.
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LinkedIn, the place to be, to be. Taylor Denise Coronado, later known as Taylor Shabiznes, hold your comment, was born in Green Bay on November 23rd, 1997. She attended school in the Howard-Suamico School District, along with Shad, though neither one of them had graduated from Bayport High School, but they knew each other. They went through the whole school system together. Is Bayport High School the main high school there? It is. Okay. Neither one graduated, but they both attended. Oh, they didn't graduate. Right.
Oh, yeah. Okay. Gotcha. Before perpetrating the heinous incident in question, Taylor had a prior criminal record that included a recent conviction for fleeing, eluding, and obstructing a police officer, for which she was sentenced to three months in jail on January 4th, 2022, and granted work release privileges, meaning she should have been in custody or under work release supervision at the time in which she carried out Chad's murder. Yeah.
The exact reason for Taylor's unrestricted movement on that day remains unclear, though it seems likely that she had once again been evading or eluding authorities while out on work release. When the officers asked Taylor if she knew why they were approaching her after they discovered Chad's severed head, she stated something to the effect of, because of my warrant for my arrest. So Taylor seemed to think that the officers were there to arrest her for that infraction, but
rather than the much, much more serious matter for which they were actually present. In terms of her upbringing, Taylor was raised by her parents until age 11 before moving to Cotulla, Texas to live with her paternal grandparents. By the time she was in seventh grade, she started receiving mental health treatment and was ultimately diagnosed with bipolar disorder.
In 2009, Taylor experienced the sudden loss of her mother due to cirrhosis and alcoholism at the young age of 41. Cirrhosis is pretty bad. Yes. Like if you die of cirrhosis. It's a very, very hard way to go. Do you know that that's the only time that they put cause of death alcoholism? Really? On the death certificate, yeah. No, I didn't. Don't fact check me, please. But from what I've heard,
because there's so many different results of drinking yourself basically to death. And cirrhosis is one that is linked almost completely to alcoholism. I'm obviously making a blanket statement. Please allow for nuance and exceptions. Suicide is almost,
very often linked to substance abuse problems or obviously mental health. They're not going to put, was a drug addict that couldn't stop doing drugs on here and just end his life. But cirrhosis is like one of those things where they're like, there's no wiggling. That's interesting. And cirrhosis is obviously like the total decline of liver functioning, right? Yeah. The liver just gets so overloaded with fat that it can't process the
what a normal liver does. Right. No, my understanding is that when the liver fails, that's a very, very painful way to go. Oh my God. Yeah, your whole body just basically shuts down. Yeah. Yeah. So after her mother's death at a very young age, 41,
Tragedy struck again in 2022 when Taylor's brother, Arturo, known as AJ Coronado, lost his life in a motorcycle accident. So these are very somewhat close together, not terribly, I mean, over a decade, deaths of her family. But very close to her nuclear family, mother and brother. Yes. Taylor is officially married to a man named Warren Shabiznis, whose original last name was Shabow. And together they have a two-year-old son named Mateo.
So they go by the last name Shabizness, but really it's Shabow. I do not understand. I know. I see that on your face very clearly. They changed it. I knew two people who got married who mixed their last names together. Yeah, I know. Dave and I almost did that. But they just...
He didn't change it to Shabowanato? Nope. He changed it to Shabizness. So that's not a real last name. No. And then one of his Facebook posts- That makes so much more sense. Warren Shabizness posted a photo of Taylor and he said something along the lines of, and I'm paraphrasing here-
Here's the lucky lady whose name I've graciously bestowed upon her. In other words, I gave her this sick-ass last name, Shabizness. Wow. What a guy, Warren. Right. What a guy. Warren, who has Taylor's name tattooed on his neck, was actually incarcerated during the period when Taylor and Shad started to hang out, as well as when the actual murder took place.
Despite being married to Warren, Taylor asserts that she and Shad had engaged in a sexual relationship prior to the murder. She even indicated later on that she killed Shad out of some kind of intense love she felt for him. But before we explore her potential motive or reason behind the brutal murder...
Let's delve into the appalling and truly, truly heartbreaking acts of violence that occurred leading up to the discovery of Shad's remains. We're going to go through almost a day and a half of what she did to him. Oh, God. Okay.
Around 9.30 p.m. on February 21st, Taylor picked up Shad and then acquired some drugs before returning to Taylor's apartment on Eastman Avenue. Then, Taylor, Shad, and Taylor's roommate smoked marijuana, with Taylor and Shad also smoking methamphetamine.
After her roommate left, Taylor injected Shad as well as herself with an antidepressant called Trazodone. Really? Yeah, side note, my dog Cash is prescribed Trazodone for when we leave him alone in the house. Yeah. Doesn't work for him, by the way. You should give him meth. Maybe that would help him not chew holes in my wall. You would not have a house if he took meth. I don't have a house when I leave him alone now, which is why he records with us. No, he does damage in the house. I mean, if you gave that dog meth...
you would literally get home and it would just be a pile of sticks and sheetrock. I'm just picturing Cash with like, you know, plaster in his jaws and like, you know, that's not hyperbole. That's real. Real quick, what do you call a dog's like face? Like the long part of his face? Snout. No, it's a beak. We call it a beak in the family. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know that. You did? I did, but it is a snout. Okay. Okay.
Pop quiz. Oh. How does Taylor refer to smoking meth? A, melting the ice. Okay. B, smoking the bitch. C, shake and bake.
Melting the ice. No. Good fucking diversion or whatever it's called. Good distraction. I threw you off your game, you mean? Melting the ice is pretty good. Because you do so well on pop quizzes generally. No, no. I just mean like melting the ice. Oh, well, because your girl does her research on these pop quizzes. Yeah. I want to talk about meth so bad. Smoking the bitch? Yeah. Okay.
At some point, Taylor and Chad eventually arrived at Chad's mother's home after taking drugs together and proceeded down to the basement.
According to Tara, who again is Shad's mother, they remained in the basement for most or all of February 22nd. Though Tara wasn't home that day, so she can't say with 100% certainty if anybody left at any point. Okay. So Taylor and Shad are downstairs as far as she's concerned. That's right. Okay. Approximately five minutes after entering the basement, Shad took out two metal silver chains that looked like choke collars you might see on a dog.
and he placed one of them around his neck while giving the other one to Taylor. Now, Taylor has admitted that strangulation has been part of their previous sexual activities, so this was not unusual for them to choke each other.
However, after placing the chain around Shad's neck, she lied him face down on the bed. Then, according to Taylor, she'd gone into a complete frenzy and choked Shad relentlessly with the chain until his face turned purple and he began coughing up blood. And she continued to choke Shad until he stopped breathing entirely.
Taylor indicated later that when she felt Shad's heart still beating while she was choking him, it prompted her to pull and choke harder. It took Shad approximately three to five minutes to die. Three to five minutes of choking? Yes. Ugh.
What an awful way to go. And with a chain? Yeah. The only consolation I have, and this may be totally off base, and I really don't have any consolation because my heart breaks for him, is maybe he was too high to have fully absorbed the dire situation he was in. I don't know.
I don't know if that's the case. I try to... The throat, anything throat related really fucking hurts. Yeah. Yeah. Like, do yourself a favor. If you're listening to this right now, just flick yourself in your throat. Just punch yourself in the Adam's apple. No, flick. Like a light flick and just see how much it sucks. And then imagine...
a metal chain. Actually don't, I don't, I don't know why I'm telling people to imagine this. No, I just, your sentiment is understood. It's a very, very uncomfortable, painful, scary sensation. There's times in jujitsu where someone's trying to choke you and they don't have it right. And because they don't have it right, their forearm and bicep are not on your, like the sides of your neck. Their forearm is pulled against your throat.
And it fucking sucks. That's a tap for me also. I'm not grinding through your forearm bone being pushed against my throat. Right. We're done. Like, let's start over again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got me. I'm good. I'd rather be choked out. Being choked out doesn't hurt as much. I mean, being throat choked just sucks. Oh, my God. It's the worst. I'm sure really just a terrible way for Shad to have gone. Yeah. Then...
For the next two to three hours, Taylor admitted to doing which of the following things? Pop quiz. A, napping next to Shad's body underneath one large beach towel. Definitely not napping on meth, but keep going. B, sexually assaulting Shad's body with an object. Okay. C, grooming Shad's body, including trimming his nails and putting her lipstick on his lips.
sexually assaulting him. Yes. Yeah. That's the worst thing. Severely underestimated your knowledge of meth and that there's no way she'd be napping. Yeah, she might be napping, but it's with her eyes open. Yeah. So Taylor admitted to playing with the victim's body. And that's a quote. First, she performed oral sex on Chad's corpse. Oh, for what? Did anything even happen? Well, listen, Taylor,
Then she retrieved a dildo and forcibly inserted it into Shad's mouth and anus.
And I watched the interrogation between Taylor and the detectives after she was apprehended. And he asked what, if any type of sexual context she had directly engaged in with Shad's body, aside from inserting the dildo into him. Yeah. And she said, quote, I grinded on him. He was half hard while I was still sucking on him. I was sucking and cutting at the same time. Cutting what? She was dismembering him. Oh.
Oh, this chick is fucking whacked.
The detective asked point blank whether Taylor stuck the decedent's penis inside her vagina and she looked him dead in the eye while slowly shaking her head yes. This is on, this is, there's a video of this? Yes, it is. Oh my God. Taylor spent an entire day, all of Tuesday, Tuesday night, and into Wednesday morning defiling Shad's body.
Then she retrieved kitchen knives from upstairs in the house and brought them down into the basement where she proceeded to use them to dismember Shad's body piece by piece.
Taylor placed a black bucket and a tote bag beneath Shad's body to catch the blood that oozed from his gaping wounds. But there wasn't too much hemorrhaging because when you cut somebody post-mortem, there's a lack of blood flow. Yeah. But she still put the bucket and the tote bag beneath him to catch the blood. And then she discarded the contents of the blood and tissue down the shower drain in the basement. Following killing, raping, mutilating, and dismembering her body,
friend-slash-lover, Taylor left the house. The criminal complaint is not specific as to when that happened, in other words, exactly when she left, but that same morning on which Tara called the police, Taylor was picked up outside her apartment on Eastman Avenue as she was getting ready to leave the premises. She appeared very clearly to have bloodstains on her black hoodie and
as well as a cut on her left thumb and some scratches on her arms and hand, which she claimed were self-inflicted, but which very clearly reek of self-defense wounds that were given by Shad.
When officers asked Taylor where the rest of Shad's body was, as by that point they'd only found his head and genitals in the bucket, Taylor's only response was to say, you're going to have fun trying to find all of the organs. So I have to assume by the time she's found...
She is not as high as she was when she was doing it. She doesn't appear to be. There's body cam footage of her arrest and when the officers approached her after finding Shad's head. Yeah. And she seems completely coherent, responding appropriately. Yeah. Not really too afraid or too concerned by what was happening. Yeah. But not off her tits.
Wow. But to say something like that when you're borderline not high or sober is like, you can't blame it on that anymore. This is in her. Something's in her. We're going to explore that. Okay. According to the Dane County Medical Examiner, Shad's post-mortem mutilation included the following. His entire back was filleted and defleshed with skin and muscles removed exposing the rib cage. This reminds me,
Have you ever watched Vikings? No. I think it's an A&E show. Really, really great series. They had a form of torture and death, the Vikings, in which they bald-eagled someone.
And what they did was they would slice open the back and they would tear out the victim's lungs while he was still alive. So the lungs were outside of his body, I guess, to look like an eagle. Yeah. And the idea was if the victim did not scream during that process, he would go to Valhalla, heaven. And if he did scream at all during that process, he wouldn't. Right.
reminds me of that. So nobody goes to Valhalla. Well, if you watch the show, somebody does, but I don't know if it's like a factual account, historically speaking. I doubt it, but it's a show. I highly doubt it. There were also deep cuts to Shad's muscles, tissue, and tendons. There was decapitation, evidence of scalpel trauma, including sawing,
as well as start and stop chopping injuries to the bone consistent with dismemberment. There was also transection of the torso, meaning it was cut and divided.
Was she like a hyena or something? She was a predator, for sure. Yeah. Thad's foot was placed inside his chest cavity. And of course, he was also castrated.
Jesus, man. Four main containers harboring the majority of Shad's body parts were discovered in the basement. The bucket with his head and genitals, a blue bag on top of a dresser, a pink and gray bag on the floor, and a tote bag. That said, not all of his body parts were accounted for. Missing from the basement was Shad's right thigh from the waist to the knee, as well as his left thigh and left leg.
Law enforcement recovered those parts in a Chrysler minivan registered to Taylor's roommate, Scott Tomes. Pop quiz. Okay. Where exactly in the car did Taylor place the body parts? A, inside the glove compartment. B, inside a Green Bay Packers duffel bag. C, inside a Crock-Pot box in the backseat.
Inside a crock pot box. Yeah. Right. Nicely done. All right, we got another dog. We do. She's jumping all over me. Taylor placed the body parts inside of a crock pot box in the back seat of the vehicle, including a defleshed right femur, a portion of the left thigh, and a left leg from the knee to the ankle.
Taylor's intent was apparently to dismember Shad's body and take all of the parts with her when she left the house. But Taylor's plan changed after she, and I quote, got lazy and paranoid and decided to just leave his head in the basement. Yeah, I mean, meth will make you do crazy things. You're going to tell us all about that in a few minutes. And irresponsible things. According to Taylor's attorney at the time, a man named Quinn Jolly, she did not intend to kill Shad. However,
However, she later confessed that she had blacked out from methamphetamine after smoking the bitch. All right. All right.
At the pretrial hearing on February 14th, 2023, Quinn Jolly requested more time from the court so that a defense expert could review the case and testify as to this client's competency, this client obviously being Taylor. Accordingly, Judge Thomas J. Walsh made the reluctant decision to push back Taylor's trial date to May 15th from March 6th.
Pop quiz. Okay. After the extra time was granted for the defendant's evaluation at this pretrial hearing, what happened in court? A, Shad's mother, Tara, cursed out the judge for extending the trial date before being escorted out of the courtroom. Okay. B, the bailiff walked out of the courtroom shaking his head. C, Taylor attacked her attorney. The bailiff walked out shaking his head? No. That would have been cool. I know, right?
Taylor attacked her attorney? Yeah. Wow. You're doing pretty well this episode with pop quizzes. I mean, I'm just guessing better. I know, but... It has nothing to do with anything. Bill, take the compliment, man. It's not a compliment. I intended for it to be a compliment. No, I mean, it's not a compliment because... I know, because it's a shot in the dark. I get it.
It's not your brain. It's your fucking guessing. Your random guessing is really good this episode. And what do you think the lottery is? Right? We've talked about this. I mean, I wouldn't take a compliment. If someone said, wow, you worked so hard and got so much money. Good for you. And I won it on the lottery. I'd be like, that's not what happened. Okay. This is a lottery. Note to self, do not compliment Tank when he does well. Compliment me. Maybe. But not on pop quizzes because there's no skill there whatsoever. Understood. Yeah. Maybe you're just doing bad at them. What?
Why? Why did you have to take it there? You also know a little bit about this case. All I know is that the cop found the head in the bucket. Uh-huh. Sure. And I didn't even watch that. It was the video. It was like seven minutes long. I was like, all right, I get it. He found the fucking head in the bucket. I also knew that she attacked her attorney in the US.
No, I'm kidding. I'm joking. I don't know what to believe anymore. I'm all confused. I am an enigma. Taylor's threw an elbow at Quinn Jolly's head as she was unhappy about the decision to delay her trial and blamed her attorney. That's like when you hugged the rabbi. Oh my God, it is. But that was worse. Hugging the rabbi was a far, far bigger transgression than this.
Taylor was forced to the ground by a Brown County Sheriff's officer and the courtroom was cleared in an effort to calm her down. The court resumed 10 minutes later, at which point Mr. Jolly informed the judge that he planned to file a motion asking to be removed from the case. Wait, who asked to be removed? Her attorney, who she attacked. Wow.
Taylor Shabizness' trial ended up starting on July 25th, 2023, which was just two days prior to the recording of this episode. Wow. So her trial's underway right now. Mm.
Not as of last night. Really? As of last night, it concluded and I was losing my goddamn mind. Why? What happened? Because it's just when I prepared for this case, it was ongoing. I happened to check the interweb. Yeah. And it came to a conclusion. I was dying. I couldn't wait to record this. Good timing. Yeah. So now you have more information. Yeah, I do. Tan.
Taylor, at the trial in the beginning, pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity to first-degree intentional homicide and mutilating a corpse, as well as third-degree sexual assault. Prosecutors were alleging that after smoking meth and engaging in a sexual encounter with the victim, Chad, Taylor took a sinister turn and strangled Chad. Afterward, prosecutors alleged that Taylor admitted to mutilating Chad's body for hours during police interrogation.
Now, according to the prosecution, the choice was to utterly degrade Shad after his murder. According to the testimony of a former Green Bay Police Department detective, crime scene analysts discovered which of the following things...
We're giving you another PQ. PQ. A, searches for Jeffrey Dahmer on Taylor's cell phone. B, bite marks on chunks of Shad's flesh that were found in the shower drain. Oh my God. C, Taylor's urine inside the bucket containing Shad's head. Taylor's urine. No. That would have been horrific, but not as bad as bite marks on his flesh? Nope.
But not as bad as searching for Jeffrey Dahmer. Yeah. Yeah. Nicely done slash not at all. Thanks. Analysts found 24 separate searches for Jeffrey Dahmer, as well as the following terms on Taylor's cell phone. Jeff Boyardee, Jeffrey Dahmer's butt, Jeffrey Dahmer walking into court all sexy. Yeah.
as well as Google searches for phrases like cadaver and Satan. Jeffrey Dahmer walking out of court like Tupac. What? Also on Taylor's cell phone were around 10 to 12 screenshots of Jeffrey Dahmer captured on February 12th, 2022, merely 11 days before the murder. Oh, that's bad.
Additionally, there was a selfie showing Taylor smiling in front of a mirror, holding up a photo of Dahmer on her phone, giving the illusion that they were posing for a selfie together. I feel like...
Around that time, is that the time that Jeffrey Dahmer was like a superstar for some reason? Well, not for some reason. Well, the Netflix. The Netflix, right. I think actually time-wise it does line up. I mean, don't hold me to it. There might be a lot of people out there with Jeffrey Dahmer searches around February 12th. But Jeffrey Dahmer's butt and walking out of court all sexy? 100%.
Do you remember how weird people were about Jeffrey Dahmer? Yeah, I do. They were like obsessing over him and glorifying him. And everyone was like, dude, the guy's a sicko. Right. It just became a little bit of a weird thing. Women were like, oh, Jeffrey Dahmer can, you know, kill me. That's not a terribly uncommon phenomenon where women in particular feel...
fetishize serial killers. Because women are dumb. Oh, wow. Holy shit. Shots have been fired. Where to take that? I said that for you and you alone. Okay, well, it hit. Yeah. And you will hear more about it later. Off air. Oh boy, I'm in trouble. There's nothing on record.
So the defense actually asked for a mistrial after all of these Jeffrey Dahmer images were revealed because they felt that it painted Taylor in a prejudiced light, but their request was denied because Taylor paints Taylor in a prejudiced light. For sure. We can...
We can likely agree on the notion that Taylor's show business is a very, very disturbed individual who undoubtedly strangled, raped, and dismembered Chad Therrien. Yeah. Perhaps during a meth-induced rage or a period of psychosis or perhaps due to a pre-existing disorder like schizophrenia, for example, that may have exacerbated the drug use. Or a combination. Or a combination. Now, there's a lot of research to back up the theory that prolonged use of meth can lead to violent behavior and...
And she was apparently really off her rocker and had indeed been engaged in long-term drug use. Yeah. So meth, and you will definitely speak more to this. Yeah, can I talk about meth? Methamphetamine impacts the central nervous system and can have a variety of side effects, including meth-induced psychosis. And meth psychosis can consist of hallucinations, delusions, paranoia, and bizarre or violent behavior. And do you want to jump in at this point? Because I know you have some...
subject matter intelligence on this. Okay, well, just really quick. For those of you out there who drink 10 cups of coffee all day, every day, and wonder why the world seems to be caving in around you and crumbling and you can't, you know, get yourself together and whatever, and you have anxiety, I know from experience that...
because my therapist told me this after I told him I cut down on my caffeine intake significantly. He goes, oh, that's good. He goes, you know, there is such thing as caffeine-induced psychosis. Yes, you've touched upon this. Yeah, caffeine-induced schizophrenia. And I was like, dude, how about a heads up on that before I almost OD'd on myself. Yeah. Anything that stimulates the central nervous system like that, I don't know if it's overstimulation. You're not meant to process and
everything you see all the time. So for instance, there was a person who was a blind Paralympic skier. I read this in the book, The Brain, the story of you by David Eagleman. Love it. This guy was blind his whole life. He skied by sound and he was world champion. Incredible. Incredible. Yes.
He had a revolutionary surgery to restore his eyesight. Oh my God. When you're blind, it's not that your eyes don't work. It's that the brain does not process what it's seeing. So usually a brain thing. Sometimes it's the eyes are just a window and the brain is what's actually seeing. So they had their eyesight restored.
ruined his life. Oh, God. He was nauseous throwing up for a month straight. Never skied well again and just couldn't see. Like, we're sitting by a carpet, right? Imagine you could see all...
I don't know, 15 million fibers in this carpet right now. I could see every hair on your head like it was individual and everything. Like it's just, your brain does you a favor by making things recede into the background and caffeine kind of meth more. It removes that function of the brain. So you're just processing everything and it's too much to handle. That's wild. Yeah.
So meth, right, during World War II played a very dark role in the Nazi war machine, which you seem to know. Yeah. So a German pharmaceutical company called Temmler produced about 38 million methamphetamine tablets in the form of the drug Pervitin, which was distributed to troops before the invasions of Poland and France in or around 1940. It was
It was called Pilot's Salt. And it was said to increase endurance, reduce fatigue, and when combined with cocaine, incite violence and rage and aggression. Do you know how they gave it to them? Panzer Chocolat is what they... Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah, they used to give it to them in chocolate. And Hitler, Hitler was evil incarnate, but he was definitely driven by meth. And I think we did talk about this on another episode. There's a video of him sitting at the Olympics wearing...
rocking back and forth, tweaking out of his mind. And it's like he was getting it injected. He was getting injections of meth. He wasn't eating it. He wasn't snorting it, smoking it. He was injecting it. And injections is the fastest route of administration. Is that correct? It's the fastest. It's the most volatile. Like it just hits your bloodstream instantly. It hits you hard and fast. Yeah. And he was getting multiple injections per day. Wow. Yeah.
He should have just fucking overdosed and done the world a favor. Well, he wound up killing himself. Not soon enough, my friend. Yeah, no, I know. He was, I mean, he's literally the, he's synonymous with evil. Yes, indeed.
So if Taylor was suffering from drug-induced psychosis or a pre-existing psychotic disorder like schizophrenia that was exacerbated by meth, and I say schizophrenia because that's the example that's used very often when talking about a drug-induced psychosis that has a pre-existing psychotic disorder. But really, we know that she was diagnosed with bipolar disorder in her past. So does that at all change anything with how we feel in terms of her punishment slash treatment?
Because according to testimony from the defense, Taylor suffered from untreated bipolar disorder. Would this impact Taylor's responsibility for what took place? No. Meaning, was she legally insane during the time in which she committed the crime? What was her sentence? I don't know if you said that. Well, her charges? No, her sentence.
She hasn't been sentenced yet at this point in the case. At this point in the case, we're talking about the trial and what she's been charged with. You just said it would have changed how he felt about her punishment. Well, whatever punishment she's dished out, do you think that should impact it? No, she needs to be locked away. She's too dangerous to be in society. Does she need treatment or incarceration? There's no difference in my head. If you have somebody who...
has the combination of environmental, physiological factors that result in them. And I'm talking about environmental from all the way their entire life. They do drugs because of whatever coping mechanism, whatever. You're going to hurt somebody again. And for that reason,
You need to go away somewhere where you can't hurt people. Maybe you need to be locked behind bars. Maybe you need to be in a mental hospital. I don't know what the word is now. What is the word? Psychiatric facility. Psychiatric facility. They don't call them sanitariums anymore. They sure don't. That's like, you know, that's in the meetings I go to. That's it's a very common word, sanitarium. So here's what I'll say. I don't know if she needs to be incarcerated or in a psychiatric facility. She needs to be institutionalized for sure.
So under Wisconsin law, and again, this case obviously took place in Wisconsin, you can utilize the insanity defense if at the time of your alleged crime or wrongful conduct... You were eating cheese. Oh, God, Wisconsin. They use what's called the cheesehead defense to lighten our sentence.
So at the time of the alleged crime, okay, you can utilize the insanity defense if the crime happened as a result of a mental disease or defect.
where you lack substantial capacity to appreciate the wrongfulness or conform your conduct to the requirements of the law. Yeah. All right. So further, according to the Wisconsin state legislature, a voluntary drugged condition is not a form of insanity that can constitute a mental defect or disease. Yeah. Medical testimony cannot be used on the issue of guilt to prove lack of intent and also to prove insanity.
If we are to consider this issue now, okay, between us, between our listeners. Yeah.
Putting aside what the law actually says in Wisconsin, I think to answer the question of whether or not confirmed drug-induced psychosis should qualify as an insanity defense, we first need to determine which side of the debate we fall on in terms of which comes first, mental illness or substance abuse. Mental illness. Okay. So if that's the case... That's my opinion. But if that's the case, then she was insane. No, because if I...
relapse and I start drinking again and I get into a car accident and kill somebody until I get that fully and completely under control,
which I mean, it's never really under control, but I've said this before. It's like being a werewolf. Like if there's a full moon, you got to get away from me. I'm going to hurt you. Is it really never under control addiction? It's on a day by day basis. No, because if I ever pick up a drink again, it's right back to where it was when I stopped. This far along. Not even, not even, it's not even where it was when I stopped. It is as if I never stopped drinking. It's progressive. Okay.
This far along in your sobriety? 100%. It never stops progressing. Are you tempted? No. The only recourse I have is for my sobriety to out-progress my addiction, to stay ahead of it. Wow.
Which it does day by day. Yeah, exactly. Interesting. Yeah. Wow. No, there's zero, as long as I have the same DNA, which I will, there's no chance of me picking up a drink and being able, me being able to predict what happens. I remember we spent a New Year's Eve with you and some friends and family and we were doing a cheers and Dave and I had champagne and
And I think Dave asked some people who were there who were sober if they wanted some champagne and they made a joke and they said, yeah, because on New Year's Eve, we allow ourselves one drink. And Dave poured them a drink and I was like, no, Dave, they're being sarcastic. There is no outside of the lines when somebody is battling addiction. They don't just have one drink on New Year's and correct me if I'm wrong, please. Yeah.
But, like, they were fucking with him. Yeah, I used to tell people that, you know, after you get five years, you can drink on the weekends. Right, exactly. It's that joke. It doesn't happen. No, it doesn't happen. Let me say something. In 20 plus years, I've never seen it happen. Okay, that's a diplomatic statement. Does it fucking happen? Sure, in make-believe land. But I live in reality. Nice. Yeah.
During her interview with detectives, Taylor chillingly revealed that she was curious to witness Shad's death and stated in a subdued tone, yeah, I liked it. She confessed to continuing to choke Shad because she was already deeply committed to the act and wanted to see it through.
Taylor also alleged that she didn't mean for any of this to have happened. She asked detectives during that interrogation after they apprehended her if they knew what it was like to love something so much that you kill it. In my perspective, what Taylor did to Shad had nothing to do with love, as her comment suggests.
but everything to do with severe mental illness and likely the influence of excessive drugs coursing through her system. My dog is so cute, sometimes I want to punch it in the face. Oh my God, I say that all the time to Cash. Stop. Stop.
And I say it low because I feel weird as fuck. But all the time I'm like, I'm going to punch your fucking face. Get over here. You're so cute. I'm going to smack your beak, you little freak. Yes, you said beak. There's a phenomenon. I don't know what it's called, but there is some kind of phenomenon that surrounds wanting to violently...
Not attack, but like to fucking smash something. Punch your kid in the face because it's so cute, but you're not going to do it. It's like, I don't know what it's called. I'm sure someone will let us know. But yeah, there is a phenomenon. Oh my God. I get that all the time with Cashie, with my kids, all the time. Did you ever see Punch Drunk Love? No, with Adam Sandler? Yeah, there's a very funny scene in there where he just takes that to the...
To the max. He's like, you're so fucking beautiful. I want to ram my car into you and pin you up against a wall and just watch you supper. He does it like, there's like six or seven iterations of it. Yeah.
So during the trial, Taylor's husband, Warren, posted a message from prison on his Facebook page acknowledging his wife's mental health issues. That's nuts that you can post prison onto Facebook, by the way. His post read, "'My prayers go out to my wife, Taylor Shabizness. She needs help mentally. Brown County Jail and the Brown County Circuit Courts are failing at understanding this. Nor do they even care.'"
I know what she's being accused of. It's not who she is. Not only has her addiction played a big role, but so does her mental background as well as postpartum depression. Ooh, yeah. And he concluded, I just want my wife to get help, professional help, because it's what she deserves. Like I said, my prayers go out to my wife. I love her more than anything in this world, and this will never change no matter what. But guess what?
Last night, July 26, 2023, the jury reached their verdict. So this is hot off the press. Hot goss. Taylor Denise Shibisnes was found guilty of
of homicide, third-degree sexual abuse, and mutilating a corpse. Okay. Taylor was mostly emotionless as the judge delivered the verdict, but for a strange smirk on her face. When you look at her, though, in trial, her expressions are wildly strange. I definitely do truly believe that she's suffering from some kind of mental health issue.
Whether or not that, you know, can... And it didn't. The jury decided that it wouldn't, you know, get her an insanity defense. Yeah. But she's definitely going through it. I'm just... I'm looking at pictures of her. Does not excuse her at all. She needs to be locked away. But I do believe that she's...
going through something. Wow, her last name really is Shabiz. Yep. The judge also polled the jury and every single person stood by their decision. So polling the jury is when either the prosecution or the defense asks for every single member of the jury to say that they support the decision that the judge read. And why would they do that? So my understanding is because they want a juror to...
be able to live with their decision. And if on the moment they can't say guilty, then it's possibly a verdict that won't stand. Yeah. Do they do that a lot? No. Either the prosecution or the defense has to request it. So in this case, the prosecution didn't request it, but the defense did. It's like a say it to my face kind of a thing. Yeah, exactly right. Say that shit to my face. It is. Guilty.
This is a truly, truly tragic case in which a young life was taken in the most heinous way imaginable. Shad is described as having been kind and compassionate, who often thought of others before him. He enjoyed camping, games, wood carving, and spending time with his family. He was also a talented artist. Shad Therian truly had his entire life ahead of him, and my heart breaks for what he endured in his final moments.
and for all the moments ahead that were ruthlessly taken from him. I hope that his family may be able to find a bit of peace now that Taylor has been found guilty. I don't know if it quite works like that. I don't know how much closure, you know, a guilty verdict brings, but that's what they're left with at this point as well as their memories. And I hope it's enough to just get them through this life without Chad. Yeah. One thing that I like about death is
Here we go. Is that, so like, I don't even know how to begin this statement. You get to nap forever and you love to nap. Yeah, that's one thing I'm really looking forward to. No, all slates are wiped clean for the most part. Like all people are rendered essentially perfect.
When they die. Because to talk about something somebody did wrong after they've died is kind of like in bad taste. Talking ill of the dead. It's like frowned upon. It's like, dude, this fucking person's gone. Leave it alone. You don't need to... That's why I can't stand when someone famous dies.
And people, I don't know who, I don't have anyone in mind, but just bring up the shit that they did or the shit that happened when they were alive. It's like, dude, they're out of the game. You don't need to do this anymore. Right. I don't care what anybody did. Depends. You cared about Hitler when I... I just said Hitler's evil incarnate. I'm talking about some random celebrity that dies and they're like, yeah, but he was mean to me once on the street. Oh, yeah, he tweeted something not kind. Shut up. Shut up. Yeah, I mean...
I don't know. That gives people a pass, though, to do what they want in life if they're just going to be excused at death. No, because you still got to feel bad about what you do in life. I don't know. You don't think so? I don't know. Normal people, not psychopaths. Okay. I mean, I live in my head with psychopaths, and so I can't really answer that. Can't speak from the non-psychopath POV. No, I'm incapable at this point in the game. Because you are a psychopath. Yeah, so fucking what?
It is what it is, folks. That's why she's so good at it. The best therapists are mentally ill. Well said. Well said. I am a psychopedia. If you thought she was just faking it, she's not. She's going to wind up on this podcast one day. It's possible. I hope not. Me too. Who's going to present it? Not.
Not me. I'm not doing the research. I'm not digging that deep. So that's the case. Yeah. All right, good. I like this one. Chad Therion, rest in peace.
good luck in jail. But how long is she in jail for? That has not been determined yet. But when you're guilty of that sentence, it's life in prison. She's got to be in prison for life. Yeah. That's usually the correlating sentence. The defense is still trying to pull some punches with respect to her mental health diagnoses. But the last I heard was the judge was saying, I just don't see how you will find an expert that will attest to mental illness and
causing the reaction that she had in that moment and allowing for the insanity defense to have any input in her sentence. I think it was the prosecution defense you said was said that he, she degraded him after he died. Yes. I don't know. I don't think that's what it was about. I think she's just fucking, she just, I mean, she did degrade him, but I don't know that that was her goal. That wasn't her goal. Her goal was to fucking do evil stuff.
And maybe... Was she mad at him? Is there any background info on that? The only background info we have in terms of her emotions towards him, if you will, is that she loved him so much she killed him. Yeah, that's not the case. And I don't think that's the case at all. No. So like, you know, meth-induced psychosis...
Was she insane? Did she have a psychotic break? It's very possible. But that to me is neither here nor there because if you are the type of person that has mental illness diagnosis and your answer to that is to smoke meth,
then the chances of this happening again are pretty high. No matter what, she cannot be free. No, you're too sick. Like I've said before, prison, I believe, is like a quarantine for people who are too mentally ill to be in society. No judgment. I don't hate you, but I want you off the road. If you can't stop drinking and you have eight deweys,
And the next time you drive, you hit me or my family or another family, anybody. I'd rather you just were not able to do that. Sorry for you. But listen, if I were to, God forbid, pick up and I'm driving around and I hit somebody and kill them, I 100% belong behind bars forever.
ostensibly forever in my head. Cause I don't know if I, if I get back to being okay. You know what I mean? Yeah. You have to make do. I don't want a special pass. I say that now, but I don't believe I deserve a special pass just because I'm special and unique and I didn't mean it. And it was a mistake and blah, blah, blah.
Some mistakes are... There's not unforgivable, but... Irreversible. Irreversible. And there's different consequences for different mistakes. Yep. You know? Yeah. So the mistake that you made during the podcast, I will let go. What mistake? Mispronunciation. Oh, no. Which one was it this time? I don't know, but I hope it's still in there. I hope that the listeners get to enjoy it. Why does this always happen to me? Because you worked so hard on the case that...
that by the time it's ready to present it, it's all mixed up in your head, I'm sure. Well, yeah, I guess. I don't know. I'm so mad when I hear that I screw something up. Yeah. Even a mispronunciation, but that's kind of my thing. You meant to say dismembered and you said December. And I was like, do you remember? Yeah.
That was my first thought. Every episode, every episode, I fuck up at least one word. Oh, it's the best. It just gives a little like a little break to the tension because these things are so heavy. Yeah. Yeah. I'm happy to bring that levity, even though that's usually your wheelhouse. Well, I just I call it like I see it. I exploit a moment. And when you mispronounce something, it is the best. Yeah.
It is. We should make like a reel of all of my fucking mispronunciations. Yeah. I mean, you'd never know with the work that you do on this case, on these cases and how you present them and how you write and speak. You would never know how dumb you actually are. Wow. You flipped that on its head. That was what's called in the business, a redirect. Yeah.
That was what's called in the shabizness. Oh, redirect. Yeah, shabizness is going to become part of the vernacular for sure. Obviously. I'm going to be saying shabizness like nobody shabizness. I'm not going to be able to stop. I know it already. I thought Jesus with crystals was going to be our big one, but shabizness might take the cake.
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