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Mike Pence Testifies

2023/5/1
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Andrew Weissmann: 对案件进展时间预测的谨慎态度,认为对调查时间进行预测是不明智的,因为内部审查和流程需要时间。他提到在穆勒调查期间,许多人对调查进展的预测都是不准确的。 Mary McCord: 对彭斯作证时间的解读:这并非调查结束的信号,而是持续进行中的一个步骤。她指出,在寻求彭斯作证的过程中,经历了合作尝试、传票以及对传票的诉讼等多个阶段。此外,调查还在进行新的调查方向,例如与选举舞弊相关的筹款活动。她认为,这些新的调查方向与彭斯作证的时间点相近,表明调查仍在进行中,并未接近尾声。 Mary McCord: 特朗普试图唆使针对彭斯的暴力犯罪。她认为,如果剥离一月六日事件的其他方面,仅关注特朗普针对彭斯的行为,就会发现特朗普试图利用彭斯来推翻选举结果,即使他被告知彭斯没有这样的权力。她列举了特朗普在1月4日、5日和6日对彭斯的公开言论,以及特朗普在得知彭斯没有权力后仍然坚持这一说法的事实,来证明特朗普试图唆使暴力行为。她还提到,特朗普在观看国会骚乱时,知道彭斯已被疏散,并且仍然发布推文说彭斯没有勇气这样做。她认为,特朗普的行为构成对彭斯的暴力犯罪的唆使。

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Despite Trump's efforts, Mike Pence testified before the January 6th grand jury. The discussion explores the implications of Pence's testimony and the potential impact on Special Counsel Jack Smith's investigation.

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Despite Donald Trump’s objections, Mike Pence testified before the Jan. 6th grand jury for several hours last week. But if you strip away the insurrection and the attempt to overturn the election, did Trump also try to solicit a crime of violence against Pence himself? MSNBC legal analysts Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord get into that and what it could all mean for Special Counsel Jack Smith’s investigation.