Twin Peaked w/ Sheryl Lee • EP310
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Wow. Hey, everybody. What a weird episode. That was just a bunch of flashbacks kind of super glued together with some weird expository filler.

It was in there. It was very strange. It feels like somebody looked at the board

for what's happened so far in the season and what needs to happen and went, oh, shit. How are we? It's too many bridges. And they were like, I know. We can make a bunch of things make sense if we just tell people all these things happened and also we'll freeze frame constantly. Freeze frame. What was that? Do you remember that song?

Oh my god. I'm dating myself. Alright, this was season 3, episode 10, Brave New World. It originally aired January 11th, 2006, which makes sense because this would have been like the episode that comes back after mid-season. Yeah. So our mid-season break would have happened last episode with Nathan and Hayley getting back together and with Brooke and Lucas getting back together. Big cliffhangers. Peyton just crying all by herself and

And then we come back with this madness. The day after Brooke says those three magic words to Lucas, he gets in a car with Peyton to take a road trip to visit Ellie. And then Peyton makes Ellie an offer that could bring them closer together. Meanwhile, Lucas reconnects with an old friend, which was lovely, but super random. And then back in Tree Hill, Brooke's clothing line

Clothes Over Bros becomes an overnight hit and she asks literally everybody to help out. Plus, Nathan finds out the truth about his mother and her role in the fire that almost killed Dan. That was dramatic. In a scene that was so badly written

that we just didn't know what to do with ourselves. Honestly, James and Barbara did, I think they did a great job with that, with what they could do with that material. They leaned in, they committed so hard and that is not easy when you get a scene that could either be filler on Days of Our Lives or CSI. You're like, whose show is this? Joy, when you said that,

I just cackled. You go, what is this, an episode of CSI? It was perfect. First, I had to crush the pills. Then I had to write the letter. The last thing that was left to do was seal the bottle. And third, I had to light the fire. I mean, that was... It's worth saying, I usually like this writer. You know, not everybody can win every time. I mean, it's not the end of the world, but you know...

Well, and just because this writer's name is on the script doesn't mean that's the person that actually wrote it. Like, sometimes it's like the last person to put a polish on it.

So, in season three, a lot of times what happens on shows, regardless of how successful a show is, is that your original writers start peeling off and they get pilots of their own or they get jobs on other shows and you start bumping newbies up.

And so sometimes scripts like this were like, was this a new kid? Was this someone getting their first go? So we want to be gentle while also poking a lot of fun at it because it was dreadful. Well, listen, before we get too far into this.

Something happened to me this week. Okay, okay, okay. She has to talk about this. You guys, we just need you to know the willpower of our friend Joy because we got on, as we always do, to watch the episode and we start, you know, cackling about dumb things we've done this week. And Joy goes, oh, I have a story to tell the two of you. And we go, okay. And she goes, I'll save it for the episode. She made us wait. She made us wait a whole hour. It's been an hour. It's been an hour.

An hour. Okay. What happened? Hit us. Okay. I'm standing in line for lunch, to order lunch. And I have the menu in my hand. And I hear, what are you going to get? Stop. And I look up and there is like a six foot five or more.

lumberjack looking slightly disheveled, crystal blue eyed, sweet man staring down at me. Okay. And I'm like, I'm like, uh, I don't know. I think I'm going to get there. Whatever. Rap. And, uh, you know, hell yeah, this place is pretty good. Blah, blah, blah. He strikes up a conversation and he's, can I look at the menu? Yeah. Yeah. It takes a minute.

And we start, how's your day going? Oh, I say, my day's going great, actually. How about you? Oh, it's great. You know, blah, blah, blah. He starts launching into this whole story about how he's just bought this new property. I was like, oh, great. Where are you from? So it turns out we've actually lived in several of the same places. And I've moved around a lot. So it's kind of cool that we've lived in several of the same places.

And we're talking and as he keeps talking about this property that he just bought and a couple of companies that he owns and he's super charming and really sweet. And I'm thinking, yeah, I'm going to ask this guy to join me for lunch. Yeah, you are. And he gets up to the register. He pays for his food and he turns around. And before I can say it, he goes, hey, you want to eat? And I'm like, yeah. Yeah. All right. Okay. Okay.

Like great. The meet cute? This is great. So total meet cute.

So I go sit down, I get my food, I get my little placard and I go, we go sit down. And so we start talking and it's easy conversation. Like this guy is, he's interested and smart and intelligent. We're talking about architects. We're talking about philosophers. We're talking about traveling. And it's just like, God, this is so nice. And he's an ex-athlete. I have to remind myself to breathe while you're doing this. Yeah, Joy, we are bated breath right now. Yeah.

It's so interesting. Like I'm just, I'm at this table in, I'm there and I'm interested. It's so nice. And we just have this great chat and he's like mid forties and I'm just going, God, is this real? Like, wow, how amazing. And as he's talking toward the end of the meal, we were sitting there for like an hour toward the end of the meal, he's saying something about

It's business venture and the property. And he says the word we a couple of times, and I've already talked about, but the first sentence I say out of my mouth is like, yeah, my daughter and I just moved here, blah, blah, blah, or whatever. And so-

I'm thinking, oh, does he have a kid? Oh, that's weird. He didn't, he would have said that if I, and then I'm like, oh, he's talking about his pets a lot. Like sometimes I talk about my pets like we, or maybe it's a business partner or like maybe his mother lives with him. And there's a part of me that's like, maybe he's got a girlfriend and it's going south. Yeah. And like, I'm like, I don't know how I feel about that, but you know, I'm going to give him a little space.

So I didn't want to ask because the thing is, if I ask, who's we? It puts me in a position of A, I give him my cards of him knowing that I'm interested. So, and I just don't, I like to, they need to work a little harder than that for me. So I just was like, I didn't say anything, you know?

But he gives me the Instagram handle for the website of this property, like farm thing. Oh, by the way, he lives on a farm. He bought a farm. Oh my God. It's like a dream. I mean, I'm dying. It's a dream. I'm dying, you guys. And so he gives me, he's like going to turn it into a retreat property and Airbnb and all this stuff. And

here's the Instagram handle. Go look at it. I'm like, okay, great. He gives me his number. I give him my number. We leave. No, he texts me afterwards. You know, this is me. Nice to meet you. And I'm like, yeah, great to know you. So then I go look at the Instagram handle later on. I'm like scrolling and I see it's like all these beautiful pictures of nature and great stuff. And I see one photo of him with this girl and they look kind of cozy, but it's from like a little bit ago. So I'm like, Oh, maybe it's, you know, maybe that's an ex-girlfriend or something.

So I click on the picture and I do the clickety clicks, you know, to see who we have to. This man is engaged. No, this man is engaged. Not for long. Not when she hears this. All I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. And engaged. I'm just like, but like, yeah, there's still there. It's all happening. Like there's new posts about the place and it's like all the new, you know, we bought this place and we're so excited and blah, blah,

Joy, you know every engaged chick is going through her fiance's phone. She better. If this motherfucker has Joy Lenz's number in his phone, he is dead. So I call my friend Eric Palladino. Hillary, you know Eric. Of course I do. You and Jeff know Eric Palladino. Guys, Eric Palladino, the reason I called Eric, he's on Marvelous Mrs. Maisel for any of you guys who watch that show. Eric is from Yonkers. And he's the most direct person

just deeply, deeply masculine. Like, I don't know how else to say it. He's just such a guy's guy. Yeah. So I was like, if anybody's going to understand the male psyche, this is the guy I'm going to call. So I, that's why I texted him and I was like, here's what's up. And you know, I told him what happened and he, and he was like, joy, joy,

No man is going to stand in line and start talking to you and have a strike up a conversation and then ask you to lunch just to be friends. That's not a thing. And especially if he's engaged, the first words out of his mouth should have been my fiance and I blah, blah, blah. Because then you know, and I'm like, yeah, that's it. And that's it. Because then I would know. They could have been your new city friends.

Totally. That was not this man's intention. I cannot wait to see who this chick is. He was trying to get away with something, man. And he was like, I'm sorry if you're battling yourself. I get it. Like, whatever. You're having a moment. Yeah, but don't make me a casualty.

Of your battle. That's it. Honestly, it hurt. I was like, I spent the whole day kind of being like excited and like, oh, I met this guy and he liked me and he thought I was cute. And like, you are cute. You are very cute. And then like, oh, you're engaged. What? Well, it's bad behavior. You're so cute that someone is ready to firebomb their life to have lunch with you. How about that? That's how cute you are. But, but, okay, so here's the next part. So I,

Eric tells me, he's like, no, no, just them. And I'm like, okay, fine. I'm never going to hear from this guy again. He was having a weird moment and whatever. He texts me. Stop it. Two days later. No, he did not. Sends me a text, a voice note. Hey, I was just thinking about you and like, you know, I know you're picking out tile and I just, anyway, hope you're having a great day. So I write back. I am having a great day. Hey, are you engaged? And he writes back, yes, with a bunch of exclamation points.

And then he says, are we too attracted to each other to be friends? What is this tomfoolery? Let me just say, like, you guys in our listening audience, like, you guys know I don't air dirty laundry. Like, I never talk about... No, but this one's got in common. But this is Easton, our male producer on the show. Yeah, he's like, wow, I can't, like, it's unreal. You guys, our chat right now is blowing up. Our chat. People are screaming. And so...

It really blew me away because I just totally misjudged him, right? I told you my picker's bad. Like I thought this guy was really sweet. No, boss.

No, you didn't try to pick. He came and picked on you. He picked you. So undo that. This is not your fault. Yeah. So I said, you know what? I didn't want to get into it. I just said, yes, we, yes, we are too attracted to each other. And I said, but good luck and stop asking pretty girls to lunch. Yeah. You know, I put a little smiley face, like I'm going to be nice about this, but you're, you know, that was a dick move. Dick. Yeah.

And he writes back. The response is no, no, no, whatever. If I had a nickel for every time I was hit on, I wouldn't have to work. And then he says something about, um, I know I figured it's the same for you. So you'd appreciate the sentiment. We just, you know, it just gets overlooked and then we become friends anyway. Um,

But I wasn't expecting a lunch like what we had. I wasn't expecting us to connect that much. This chemistry is undeniable. But like, okay, here's what my real problem here is that

A, he's convincing. First of all, the response of like, whatever. Oh, blah, blah, blah. I get hit all the time. How about take the answer is you're right. I totally was trying to get away with something. I don't know what's going on with me. I'm sorry. That was unfair to you and totally unfair to my fiance. And yeah, I'm sorry. I don't know what's going on with me. I'm sorry. That's the answer. That's the only answer. That's the only answer.

Yeah. I need you to send me this Instagram profile right now. Yeah. You are going to send us this farm Instagram joy when we get off on this bike. You need to gaslight me into thinking that I'm the one, like, sorry if you're not enlightened enough to just be friends with a handsome guy. Ew. Fuck off. Are you kidding me? I'm not that stupid. Does he not have friends? You're the one that's new in town. Well, and by the way, and by the way,

It's so deeply insulting. And like, I'm going to put my petty hat on for a minute. I'm like, have you seen, have you seen the guy friends in our friend group? Like, sir, we have plenty of deeply attractive male friends. We only hang out with attractive people. Some of our closest people. Like that ain't it. That, that ain't it. Stop. Where are the men of all time?

honor. There is no honor in trying to get away with something like that. And then convincing yourself that you're not trying to get away with something. Yeah. If he wasn't trying to get away with something, the first words out of his mouth would have been, if he's caught, found himself talking to a pretty girl and got caught up in it,

You correct your course. You should meet my girlfriend. My fiance and I, blah, blah, blah. You should meet my girlfriend. Yeah. I think you guys would like each other so much. You're new here. But she'll sit for an hour at lunch. That's brutal. And talk to me. Flirting. And get me thinking for two days and then text me without acknowledging, hey, I was talking to my girlfriend about your tile situation and she had some idea. Like what the fuck?

ever. Just don't try to get away with it and then act like you weren't. And girls, if a man does this to you, it's bullshit. It's bullshit. It's gaslighting. It's not okay. This is why older women don't trust men. So Dan Scott of him. No, but this is why we get more and more blunt as we get older. Because the next dude that comes up to you in line, you're just going to say, are you engaged?

Do you have a girlfriend? Like you're just going to say it and they're going to be like, this chick's bananas. Yeah. But it's because. And you're like, I just don't have time. Why are you wasting my time? Don't waste my time. Why are you wasting my time? Or tell me, just tell me that you're engaged. I would have had lunch with you anyway. Of course you would. And it would have been a different lunch. I can't wait to see a picture of this dude. I know. He's doomed. He's doomed. That's what happens when you cross a drama queen, friends. Yeah. Watch out.

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Okay. We can segue out of that. I just had to tell you, but we guys, everybody out there, listen, we actually have something really much more exciting than my weird love life story. I don't know. On this episode. Um, we have an awesome guest, Hillary. I think you should be the one. You guys, I'm going to cry at some point during the course of this. Um,

I feel really, really lucky that for the majority of season three, the love story that I got to have is between Peyton and her birth mother, Ellie. And the actress that played Ellie is the one and only Cheryl Lee. She was with us today. I'm totally freaking obsessed with her. And I don't get to see her or talk to her nearly enough. So bring her in here. Give her to us. Cheryl! There she is! Oh my God!

not aged Cheryl you look exactly the same oh my gosh look I'm so happy to see you I miss you a huge hug for you I miss you you guys so the last time we we saw each other was the first time we'd seen each other since we weren't on the show together anymore it had been like I don't know 12 years it had been a very long time

Yeah. And it was at the convention right before the pandemic hit. And I just remember you walking into the green room and I just started like sobbing uncontrollably. I turned into Peyton in real life. I was so happy to see you. It just, it's good for my heart. Where are you right now?

I am in Topanga Canyon in Los Angeles. Nice. Cheryl, do you know Daphne? Are you and Daphne Zuniga friends? I know she's out there in Topanga. I don't think I've ever met her. Oh, that's fine. You guys would have had such good energy together on the show too. She was on, she was Brooke's mom. It's so cool to see you two side by side here after having just watched that episode too. I'm,

We've always been gushing. Every time you're on screen, we gush about what an incredible actress you are and how much we all looked up to you before you came on the show and how excited we were when we heard that we got you. It was like catching a big fish. We were so excited. Oh my gosh. Thank you so much. I'm so grateful to be a part of it.

Well, you were an original drama queen. You know, we like tongue in cheek named ourselves drama queens for this podcast because we were like, you know, we were kissing and crying for the better part of a decade. And like it paid all our mortgages. But you as Laura Palmer on Twin Peaks, I mean, you were an original drama queen, this iconic teenage character that the country was obsessed with. You know, who killed Laura Palmer was like,

That was the catchphrase. And so if you could tell our audience kind of about your trajectory getting involved in that, because that was like your first big job, right? Yes, I was living in Seattle, studying theater. I hadn't really even thought about television or film. But I had an agent in Seattle and, you know, just for commercial stuff or whatever.

And I got a call from her that this director, David Lynch, was in town for this mysterious television pilot and was interested in casting local for, and it was the role of a dead girl. And that's all anyone knew. And so I went in, I had seen Blue Velvet. I went in. Which was shot in Wilmington.

Yeah. Oh my gosh. That's right. I forgot about that. Yeah, man. So much. Is a lot still shooting in Wilmington now? There's a ton, but where our river court was is where they like found the ear in the field.

In Blue Velvet. You know how like the movie begins and there's like an air in a field. It's over there where the river. That's the crossover we needed is the Blue Velvet Tree Hill. I went to Wilmington a lot in the 90s for work. Oh, wow. Yeah. So then I just I didn't know what to expect meeting him. And I went in and I met him, met David and I.

He was so kind and so warm. And I was so nervous that my hands were shaking so bad I had to sit on my hands. Do you talk with your hands like we do? The three of us can't stop talking with our hands. Yeah, I was shaking like a leaf. But he was kind and warm and asked me how I feel about that.

being dipped in gray dye and plastic and freezing cold water. And I said, just absolutely fine. And then that's how it started. I was hired for, I think it was four days of work as a corpse, you know, the finding the body and then the flashback scenes. And then, and then I stayed in Seattle and kept doing theater. And then much later, um,

He called and asked if I would be interested in coming back on the show. And I said, well, sure. She has a sister. I'm dead. He's like, don't worry about that. I'll figure it out. Wow. That was my first grown-up show I remember watching. I remember, like, my dad was watching it. And I don't know how. It was probably, like, 10 years ago.

Actually, I have no idea how old I was, but I remember it being like, I think this show is too grown up for me, but I can't stop watching it. This is so interesting. It had a real impact on probably my whole macabre outlook on life.

things. It was definitely the show that like goth girls were into and being a goth girl in high school was like, man, if you're not watching twin peaks, if you're not like freaking out over twin peaks, what are you even doing with your life? What are you listening to boy bands? Ew. What are you listening on? New kids on the block. Get out of here. And so you ended up doing, how many seasons of the show did you guys do of twin peaks? Um,

two. So there were only two seasons. Wow. I think they just did not know what to do with us. Wow. And then that ended. And then years later, the movie came and then that ended. And then 20 something years later, the season three came. We'll talk about the movie though, because Moira, who was Karen on our show was in the movie with you, right? Yeah.

Yes, yes. And I actually had worked with Moira before that even. Really? Really. The movie of the week together when we were, I mean, I was right out of Twin Peaks. It was like one of my first jobs off of the second season of Twin Peaks. I worked with Moira. So when I heard Moira was coming onto the film, I was so excited because we already had this history and I loved her. I'm just a big fan of hers. So yeah.

She's a good time. And then you also worked with Craig. Who on our cast didn't you work with? Did you work with Paul too? Hanson too? I don't, I don't think so. I mean, you know, it's, sometimes I forget what I've worked on. Yeah. Yeah. We know that. When I was rewatching the show, um,

this show last night and I was seeing you all and it's like my heart just burst open because you're so young and I know what it feels like to be to have to go through you know you're on a show and this is happening and you're at this

really important time in your own life figuring things out and then you're on the show and that becomes a success and like there's no handbook that comes with this right you're just kind of going with it and um it just oh I wish we'd had the wherewithal to ask you for advice when yes you were that age god

When I was your age, that was one thing. I would find older actors and I would follow them around like a puppy because I was like, I don't know anything. I need to learn as much as I can. How do you have a life while you do this? What happens when you work with directors that terrify you? All of the questions, I was probably really annoying because I just would...

And I still am that way where I will seek out elders to...

for guidance. How do you walk this path? That's a great quality because I think we all felt like we have to act like we have it all together because if we don't act like we have it all together, then no one will trust us. And then if nobody trusts us, we won't be able to do our job right. And then we won't be able to stand up for ourselves. And so we have to be taken seriously. And in order to be taken seriously, we just have to act like we know everything, which is so dumb. And the grownups that were around us regularly were scary. A lot.

You know, not our coworker, lovely friends, but like we had some people around where very quickly we were like, oh no, we don't want to be, we can't. We got to, we're going to hide. We're going to hide. And so interestingly, I think it made us less, I don't know if the word is aware or perhaps it made us feel like we had less wherewithal or permission to then when someone like you was around to, you know,

to to go and you know trust you or seek your advice like and i think that was probably pretty subconscious but now even just i was just scared yeah i was nervous all the time and so you don't want to like do something dumb or be like how was your what was it like we're gonna like just a bunch of derpy little puppies and now i'm like damn it we should have just followed you around and been annoying

I am in awe of you all now because the way that you

are so multifaceted creatively and speaking your truth and connecting and following what you believe to be true. I did not have the guts to do that at all. And so I bow to you with great respect and gratitude. I'm like, thank God this generation has the courage to stand up in a way

that I know I didn't in mine. Well, I didn't realize how similar our situations were, Cheryl, because we were filming in Wilmington where we were all like taken away from our friends and our family and kind of the circles that we built and kind of put in this little small bubble. And you guys being in Seattle, filming this show that was like a sensation and a huge hit. Did you feel protected by that bubble or did you feel like more stuff could

more, more things could get away, you know, people get away with things. Well, we, so, um, the pilot was shot up there in Washington, but then, um,

At some point, a lot of the series was shot in L.A. Oh, it was. Really? I can't remember the exact timeline. Yeah. Wow. And so I had no idea what I was in for because I had no television experience, no film experience, no experience being in front of the public eye. And so...

Then, like I remember watching the pilot in the series in LA. That's when I was living in LA when it started to come out. So we were shooting down here. We had studios in the Valley. So yeah, in that sense,

The only bubble that I had was just that I didn't know anything. Totally inexperienced and had no idea. Unfortunately, you know, social media didn't exist. Oh, my God. I don't know how now. You saved my ass because when we were doing...

I want to say it's maybe even the next episode. It's when Ellie is like moved in with Peyton. I was up for a job where there was mandatory nudity and you had your son at the time.

And I was just so enamored with that, that you were this like working mom and you would like tell me about your son's dreams and the phone calls you would have with him. And I loved hearing about this. And I feel like you told me like your son really likes snakes, you know, like there's, there's certain things that just pop. And we talked about your kids so much that when I was like, I'm up for this job, they really want me to be naked in it. And you were just like,

Don't do it. You're like, you're going to have to talk to him about it one day, your son. And at the time I was years away from having kids, you know, and I was just like, oh God, I never thought about that. Like I never thought about the people in my future I'd have to have these conversations with.

And it really changed the way I made decisions and the way I prioritize jobs. And it made me reconsider like which jobs were artsy and which job, you know, because they were there was kind of the shtick with women where they'd be like, well, if you're a real artist.

You'll do all the things we want you to do. And you called bullshit on it for me at a very young age and made me feel empowered to be like, I don't know. Sounds like a low budget movie to me. You guys can go. Maybe this was Titanic. Yeah. Pay me like a French girl, but also pay me. Yeah. I learned that one the hard way. I didn't have anyone tell me, um,

to think about that or to, and also I, you know, a lot of the jobs I did, I didn't feel like there was a choice. It was like, yeah, I work as an actor or as an actress, this is, this is what you do. And, um, within that, there are parameters of, you know, what the audience sees is what you did say yes to, not what you said no to. Um,

But, yeah. So I would do a lot of things different if I could go back in time. But even during that era, it was still really normal to not have a choice. You know, like if you wanted to do a show on HBO or cable, we all were presented with that. It was like, oh, that wasn't part of the contract. If you want to be on a big girl show...

You got to, you know, bear all. And you were so protective of us, even in the midst of all of that, when it was still really, really prevalent. I feel like it only now, like just only recently in the last year or two is where you can be like, no. And then they just hire a body double. So it looks like you were naked anyway. I feel like a lot of that changed with Sex and the City because all those girls, like, yeah.

uh what's her name kim cattrall was the only one on that show who was ever naked really camera

Yeah, I think so. Cynthia Nixon was too. Cynthia Nixon was? Okay. But the other two weren't. And you're on a show called Sex and the City, and it's all about girls and young women and their sex lives. And two of the lead actresses who were very famous already at the time did not have to be nude in the show ever. And I don't know how Sarah Jessica worked that into her contract or Kim Davis, but not Kim Davis. What's her name?

Kristen Davis. Kristen Davis. Thank you. But yeah, but I think when that happened and it said an example of like, look, if Sarah Jessica Parker can lead a show called Sex and the City all about sex and never have to be nude on camera, I think the rest of us can figure it out. Yeah, we can certainly do a teen drama. And it also made it so easy to be like, yeah, people have sex in bras, guys.

Moving on. Like moving on. Sex and bras. Is that the name of our episode? That's it. Yeah, it should be. It's like that movie driving in cars with boys, but it's having sex on TV and bras. Let's write that memoir. Great. Cheryl, how did they come to you for our show? Yeah, how did we get you? Yeah, I don't know. They just someone...

All I remember is knowing that there was an arc and knowing that it was a limited amount, which was good because that's all I could do with my son being young and because I was living in LA and it was shot there. And so I just remember going in to talk to Mark about the character and I was really interested in the character and I was interested in the show and that was...

kind of all I remember about it of just feeling like, yeah, this, this, I'm really excited about this. It,

It's such an interesting character because to play a woman who is coming, you know, you've got the layer of dying. You've got the layer of coming of having given up your child for adoption and never seen her for years and years. And I mean, how old Peyton were you? 17. Hillary was Peyton when, no, when, when Ellie, it was at birth, right? Like you were right. You right. Okay. And then you're, you're, you've come back.

But you're still kind of aloof and don't like totally want to, it's like you want to be in her life. But as soon as Peyton reaches out, you're like, ah, don't get too close. It's so interesting and so many layers to play. What do you remember about that? And what were your challenges there? Well, I, you know, it's, I remember just feeling so grateful for

our connection, you know, I loved you right away. That's how I felt. I'm just like, okay, this is great. I can, I can anchor into this relationship and all the complexities here and just feeling that instant, you know, that's always such a gift to just have that instant chemistry. And, um, you know, it's before, before I became a mother, um,

My memories about my work experiences were about my work experience. And after I became a mother, my memories about my work experience changed to,

what were the complexities of life going on behind the scenes of the work experience, the traveling back and forth, the times that my son got to come visit while I was there working. Those are the things that it becomes more about what was going on in life. And also just also where

I remember just that I did feel very grateful for the complexities of the character that as a woman and as an actress, just always trying to find parts that were multifaceted, you know, that that part of it...

I really appreciate it. And everyone was so nice there. You all, you know, everyone was in awe. Like you showed up and was like, the cool girl's here. Oh my God. She's so cool.

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So did you always know that Ellie was going to die? They were always like, yes. Yeah. Really? Because see, I didn't, Cheryl. I didn't. And they kind of led me on to be like, oh, you've had to kiss all the boys on the show already. You know, like this is going to be your new trajectory. You get to go do this other thing. And so then when you...

sorry, spoiler alert for anybody who's watching along with us and hasn't caught up. When Ellie dies, I was despondent. Like, like no one could talk sense into me. They were like, Hillary, it's okay. And I'm like, but she's going to come back from the dead, right? Like maybe she's got a sister on this show too. How do we get Cheryl back? Um,

Wow. That's interesting that we never... They never told me. I don't know if someone said, don't say anything or... Wow. Yeah. I was ready for you to stay forever. Aww. And ever. And then eventually we meet Peyton's birth father, John Doe, who is from the band X, the punk band out in L.A.,

And I just feel like it's such a missed opportunity that our parents, like my parents were never in the same place at the same time. Sophia, did your parents ever like get into the same place at the same time? Did your dad ever arrive?

Yes. The Brooks dad. So, you know, we get Daphne playing my mom, playing Victoria in season five. So you got to do all that overlap. Who was your dad? Gregory Harrison? Robert Davis Jr., who went by Ted. I've never understood why Ted is a nickname for Robert, but someone can explain it to us at another time. Was played by a lovely actor, Richard Bergey, Hilary.

You didn't get to meet him. Would I have kissed? I had a crush on all the dads. Oh, 100%. You would have had such a crush on Richard. He was such a dreamboat. I had a crush on him. Him and Gregory Harrison. They played Brooke and Julian's dads. And I was like, we won the dad jackpot. What is going on here? That sent me back to soap opera days because I would look at the two of them. That's what all the soap operas looked like. And I was just like, I'm just going to stare at you. Oh, Richard. I'm looking at my telephone right now. Uh-huh.

And God, what a lovely man. And he and Daphne played off of each other deliciously.

Their chemistry was so great. They were so fun. The three of us just had a ball. I really wish we'd had him on the show before the last season because he was wonderful. Cheryl, we have gotten a lot of closure and redemption and also like a lot of fun by doing this like podcast reboot, rewatch situation. But you guys did that with Twin Peaks years ago. Like you guys all got together again and

How many years after the original show to do this reboot? Well, it was almost 25 years. That's amazing. Wow. 25 years. Wait, was it almost 25 years? Wait a minute. You're like, math is dumb. 55. And I think that we did season three around...

Six years ago or seven years ago. And I was like, 2017, you guys did. And I was like, and it was like 92 when we did that 25 years.

How was getting that call? Who called? Did David Lynch call? Or like, how'd that go down? Well, it was, you know, there's been rumors for decades that we were going to do seasons. And we knew that was not going to happen. So I didn't pay any attention to the rumors. And so then these rumors started happening that seemed to not work.

kind of quiet. It's like the wave of the rumor just kept getting bigger. Finally one of the castmates reached out to me and said, "You know this is real." I said, "There's no way." So I sent David an email and asked, "Is this real?"

Whoa. And did he answer? Did he send back like a coded message or something weird? I feel like he sent like a hot air balloon or something. It was a little bit cryptic. It was a little bit mysterious. It was a yes, but not really any, just more to come. Yeah. I'm into that. Stay tuned.

So what was your experience shooting in Wilmington before? You've been there so many times before. Yeah. Did it feel familiar going back or was it new? I loved Wilmington. I loved working there so much. Yeah.

So I had stayed, I can't even remember the jobs that I did there. They were independent films. I had stayed once in one of those beach houses. Oh yeah. Yeah. Amazing. And, and then also downtown. So I loved that feeling of that. I felt like creatively, it really fed the work, whatever the work that I was doing was, I found it to be, yeah,

I really enjoyed it creatively. You know, there's history there. There's a lot of interesting different parts to that place. It's a really artistic town too. There's so much theater, so many fine arts communities and music. Yeah. I love that. And just the feeling of the, um,

sort of smaller city feeling that was really nice to be in. Well, and there's a, there's a weirdness to Wilmington, you know, there's kind of like, because it's such a haunted city, there's like a little bit of like a cryptic feel to it. And Ellie is kind of a cryptic woman, you know, she's living in this like,

dilapidated Victorian home with no furniture and like a lot of... She doesn't even have a glass to drink out of. Yeah, there's like a lot of echo. She drinks right out of the carton. They're like, this'll do. There's like roaches everywhere and high grass. No, but it... You know, there's an edge to this character that I think was great because so often...

Women are portrayed as martyrs if they're playing mothers. You know, everyone wants the martyr. And Ellie's just like, no, I chose a fun life. Yeah. I made the choice that was right for me. Like, I'm not going to apologize for it, you know, which was great and kind of revolutionary at the time. Yeah. Yeah. How'd you put it together at a time where not everyone was doing that?

Well, I feel like they, they, the writers did, did the work. Do you know what I mean? That, that was there. And so to really just, and fortunately I had known many women in my life who didn't just follow the supposed tos or, or, you know, and so I had references and,

personal references that I could draw from and that kind of directness and just inner knowing and just that life experience. There's something I don't think the writers did, though. They didn't... To me, some of Ellie's behavior was really...

contrasting, you know, showing up and wanting to be a part of Peyton's life and begging to be a part of it. And then when Peyton comes to find her pushing her away and then coming back and that,

The push and pull, that's just on the page. But making it believable, creating a character that you had to justify that behavior for you so that you could empathize with her and then play her, that's not anything the writers did. That's you. And I'm interested to know how you...

justified all that behavior for her in order to make her someone that we didn't hate. Like we loved her. We, we empathized along with her as well, even though she was feeling all these complicated things. Yeah. And now I look at the way she treated her daughter and I'm like, wow, that's intense. I remember hearing, you know, from one of my acting teachers at a very young age, that's,

if you can find the love under all that, right. That if it's, if it's because of the love underneath it, then it's, then I could find as a mother a way to justify it. If that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody just sort of does what they think is best. And usually, you know,

I can understand how you would be doing those things thinking that it's best for Peyton and thinking that you're willing to hurt yourself for the sake of her, even though she doesn't understand. Yeah, that's kind of what I was getting from Ellie anyway. Of all the storylines that Peyton had to do, the one that I get the most fan feedback from is this one because they're...

There are a number of people out there who have lost a parent to cancer and this storyline as messy as it is, you know, as like back and forth as it is as conflicted as it is. Um,

has been cathartic for a lot of people. And I feel like when I saw you at the convention, you mentioned that people come up and, or have talked to you about it and been like, thank you so much for doing this storyline. Has that been your experience often? Yeah. If, if I'm ever recognized for this, it is usually with someone who has experience with cancer, you know, and, and,

I wish there were more stories out there about this for children and parents. And, you know, I feel like that's part of, as storytellers, that's part of our responsibility is to really keep bringing these stories into the

into the awareness for healing and for the conversation. So people feel seen and known and there's something, somebody else is going through this too. I'm not alone. Yes. We don't think about like how old were we doing this? 23, 24. You don't think about it on the day, but then like all these years later, you realize you're providing other people with the language and with the framework to deal with it in real life and

Because if you don't have the right words, you know, if you don't have an example of like a person, whether they be real or fictional, living past a bad situation like this, you don't know what it looks like. But if you can watch it and visualize it and be like, oh, no, we've lost this character. And then life moves on as it does. But it is changed, you know. To give people hope.

A safe place to witness grief, I think, can also be very transformational because when you go through loss, it's so personal. It's often very private. When you're grieving, you tend to stay home. It's insular. And so it's not something in our society we've been able to witness a lot of. It's very private and personal. And

hearing about the ways in which a storyline like this one for an audience can model how hard it will be to lose somebody, but also that they will remain with you in ways that you will carry on a project that you began with them before they died, as Peyton does, that you will honor them in parts of your life. And yes, you will be, if you are, if we are lucky enough to be

to survive someone. And I don't mean we're lucky that we've lost someone. I mean, like we're lucky we're alive. We're all lucky we're alive every day. You know, if you're lucky enough to continue living your life, you can do it in a way where you carry that person with you. And, and yeah, like when had we ever seen that before? We got to see you guys do it in a storyline. It was beautiful. Yeah.

Cheryl, I was so sad when you left. And then I left the show and hooked up with Jeff. And then the first job he does right when I gave birth to Gus, like Gus was like two months old. He's like, oh, my buddy Cheryl's doing this movie with me. I was like, Cheryl who? He's like, you don't know her, Cheryl Lee. And I'm like, she's my mother.

But you guys have known each other like forever. And that was such a weird, it was the universe's way of being like, Hillary, you didn't misread the connection. Like this is someone who is absolutely like supposed to be in your world. It's good to love her. I was so happy that you guys just like randomly were in this movie together. But again, you were playing like a bad girl. Is that your shtick? Does everyone cast you to play like a drunky pants? Yeah. Or I die. Yeah. Oh no.

I was trying to remember the other day how many times I had died. I die all the time too, Cheryl. You do? What is it? Do you hate me or am I just like so lovely that to kill me is so tragic for the story? Oh, it's going to ruin these people. I'm going to try and believe the second one. I'm going to break everybody's heart.

And all different kinds of ways of dying, right? Yes, always. Yeah, haven't you done like a vampire movie? Yeah. Oh, God, I had the life sucked out of me. Yeah, what about you? Let's talk about that. What's been your favorite on-screen death? Of all the things that you've passed in, what's been the winner? You know, I mean, it kind of probably is Twin Peaks, but it wasn't the... It was probably more just the...

experience of being able to, you know, that, that first scene being found on the beach wrapped in plastic, I didn't have any lines, thank God, because I was so nervous and I didn't know anything about filmmaking or television or anything. And so I got to just lay there and listen to everyone and be like a little sponge and soak it all up. So, so great.

taped up in my plastic. Well, yeah, but back to Hillary's question, is that sort of your, your typical go-to people cast you as the bad girl a lot? And is there anything that you're still just like dying to do? Well,

Well, no one thinks, I mean, I've never, I don't think I've ever done a comedy. I don't think I've ever. Really? Yeah. I mean, unless it would be, maybe be a really, really dark. It's a dark comedy. Yeah. Yeah. And I would love to do, you know, I played a vampire at one point, but I would also love to do something really kind of fantasy-like. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Me too. Right? Like Lord of the Rings. Like Pan's Labyrinth. Like something really...

Weird. Should we all do the witches of Eastwick? Is that what this podcast is really about? Sure, let's just be witches! Hello! As long as we can fly. Oh, great. Come on!

I like reading about Appalachian witches because what they would do is at night they would shapeshift and then they'd turn men into horses and ride them all night long around the countryside. So when these men woke up, they couldn't go to work. They had the vapors. I've been ridden by a witch all night. And I'm just like, I feel like this is a lot of innuendo. Ah!

We're going to be some creepy witches, Cheryl. I can't wait. I am in. Dawn. Somebody give us some money. Yeah. One Tree Hill, 25 years later, just like Twin Peaks, is now a supernatural experience. Oh, my God. What do we have? What do we have? Seven years to go or something? We'll figure it out. I'm all for it. Cheryl...

The only thing that I took from the show when I left was Ellie's leather jacket. It is my prized possession.

Oh, fantastic. I keep it in a safe space. My son steals all my coats because he's my size now. And I'm just like, don't touch that one. That's the special one. But I hope I get to see you in real life soon. We've got more conventions and stuff coming up. But you're such an important part of this show. And you were a really, really, really important part of my time on the show. And you know that.

Well, I am very, very grateful to have been a part of the show. And it just warms my heart to see all your beautiful faces and smiles and congratulations on everything you're doing and just...

tons and tons of love and gratitude to you yay we need to do a mommy daughter trip with all of our mothers from the show and all the girls from the show oh my god yes best armstrong cheryl lee daphne zuniga let's go moira and barbara and let's let's hit the road let's hit the bar oh we love seeing you thank you so much for coming and joining thank you so much cheryl

Thank you all so much. Wow. That was awesome. I've got no childhood dream come true. No, that she's amazing. I can't believe you held your tears back. That was even still like, she just makes me, it's not that I'm nervous. It's not that I'm nervous. It's that I just get like giddy about her and geek out so hard. Cause I get it.

Oh, I wanted to keep her so bad. If we'd gotten to keep Cheryl, oh my God. It would have been so- It probably wouldn't have packed the same punch though. You know, it was so great. Like she was so iconic because of the way she came in. And I mean, this character was so iconic because she came in and went out so quickly and, but made such a huge impact. And only somebody Cheryl's caliber and talent could have been able to handle that and make that happen.

Well, and now I look at the part that she played and the fact that she was able to be like a mother and work out of town on location. And I'm just like, when do I get to start playing Ellie's? Like, who's going to call me to play the Ellie Harp character in whatever? I mean, I don't even know what teenage shows are on right now. That makes me sound like a grandma. I'm like, what are the kids watching these days? But yeah, those are the parts that are really fun as a mom to go in and like,

put the leather bracelet on and the cool concert tee and you're not in the school pickup line for a couple days and you're like, yeah, yeah, I'm cool. I remember how to be cool. She's so freaking cool. Can we,

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It was interesting to me, too, that, like, as we are wondering, again, not perhaps inappropriately, but, like, we're learning things as bold women. And we don't love this seesaw that's happening with Lucas and Peyton and Lucas and Brooke. Mm-mm.

I forgot that in this episode, Brooke is upset that she's not hearing from Lucas all day and Haley's not hearing from Nathan at all. Yeah. And that misdirect was gold when you're like, what would make a boy? What would make a boy just leave a girl after a night? And I was like, this comment, this is actually in an episode that's not well written. This is great. Yeah. But not admitting it to each other. The friction of not knowing that the other person was going through the exact same thing. And then we were both angry and trying to solve our own problems without each other. Oh, it was great.

I loved it. I also loved that at the end of the episode, when Nathan comes to the door, like there was something vulnerable on James's face. And I saw you see it and know that you had been sort of making up a story that wasn't true all day. And you just welcomed him in. Yeah. And the familiarity between those two, between Nathan and Haley, makes it work wordlessly. Yeah.

Well, that's it. There's no misdirect there. He just says, I wanted to spend some time with you. Or can I hang out with you? It's such a relief, right? The directness. Instead of Lucas, who's like, I got a thing to do with you. You know? Yeah. Girls, take a lesson. Misdirect? Not hot. Not hot? Also, men take a lesson.

This is what I'm saying. Men in cafes. You can't act like you're direct but not be direct. Be a Nathan. Yeah. Be Nathan. Be a Nathan. That's really the point, guys. Be a Nathan. I also loved, in the ways that everyone's love story is a little messy right now, I love the love story of Peyton and Ellie. Yes. And Peyton trying to find...

A way to talk to her. And Hillary, you did it so beautifully because you can tell that you don't really want to be totally vulnerable. So you make it about work.

But then like you're hanging out and you're learning about the records she loves and she's talking about t-shirts and like your mom might give you a t-shirt. Oh my God. The mom giving her the t-shirt thing got me in real life. Like that's my love language when someone gives me a thing that's theirs and it's not like a new thing, you know, and you both have done it. You both have given me things that you're just like, oh, do you want this thing? And I'm like, oh,

Yeah, I do. And there's kind of that like thrift store quality to it where it's like this has collected a narrative before it's come to me. And the idea that Peyton is going to get these records of these T-shirts from this woman to create an intimacy is, you know, hits a little close to home. But I also, so much of our show is about whatever boy you're dating. Yeah. And I,

It's a relief. It meant so much to me to have a storyline that wasn't about a dude. Yeah. I think it meant a lot to our audience as well. Because that's not, it's not literally everything everybody thinks about all the time. Like, yes, when you're young and hormonal, you know, you're romantic.

interests are at the forefront of your mind most of the time, but there are a lot of people, a lot of people have problems with their family and their siblings and, and with their parents and how they're doing in their school. And that can be caught, that can take over at any moment. And it was really, really a relief to, to see that represented with, um, with Peyton and Ellie. Yeah. You know, it's interesting you saying that I remember, and I wrote it down in my notes that,

When we started watching this episode, there's some stuff for the comedy that they gave Brooke that made me laugh. But it was so cringey. They would sometimes...

Push me into these directions where I, as Sophia, would feel like they were they wanted Brooke to be mean or really tone deaf or like over the top. And it was very interesting because I remember feeling then like Brooke's finally launching her company and now she's just going to be awful to everyone.

And now I was like so self-conscious about it, but it's like, okay, this is what you've written for me and I'm going to commit and I'm going to try my best. And I'm going to put her paranoia about losing her chance underneath it and try to humanize it. And watching it for some reason now with like distance, I could hear it in a different way. Yeah, I thought you did a good job. I was like, oh, they wanted Brooke to be –

like the worst version of herself, the cheerleader that Faith is talking to Lucas about. So she was like, he's like, you know, I'm not defending who Brooke was. I'm defending who she is. And then it comes in and she's like a banshee screaming at everyone, like running a sweatshop. I was like, oh my God. The children. The little children. But now I can see the comedic device in a way that at the time I was like, why is she got to be mean when she's finally doing,

doing something for herself. Oh, man. So it's interesting. I loved it. Not just for the comedic device, but also because, again, characters have to have flaws and to be able to see Brooke at her worst, being a mess, falling apart, like we said, messy, messy Brooke.

And a big lovable mess. And then the second that Haley's like, hey, stop it. You're being a huge bitch. Be nice to people. Everybody here is busting their asses for you. And Brooke turns on a dime and she says, you're right. There's a lot of people out there who don't. They get defensive. It's like it takes days or weeks or years before they'll even admit that they're wrong. And Brooke is like, oh my God, you're right. And she turns immediately because she's not afraid to

She's not afraid of being wrong. That's kind of what's great about living a messy life, right? She's not afraid of being wrong. It's a good example of female friendship where you can call your friend out on something and it's not a fight that ends the relationship. We've talked about that a number of times. Where when someone tells you the truth, you realize, oh, you really love and respect me. Yeah. And that's the best example. Thank you. I would way rather watch somebody who's being a huge, huge ass fight

go, oh my God, I'm being such an asshole right now. I'm so sorry, everybody. I'm really sorry. That's great. You know, it's like we're only human. That's the best. What else can we expect? Yeah. I'd much rather watch that than somebody who's just like a jerk for no reason and then never admits they're wrong. Dan Scott? Dan Scott? Are we talking about Dan Scott? Yeah. How about Dan walking into Haley and Nathan's bedroom? That was so good. Picking up her friend.

Picking up her bra. That, no. Picking up a teenage girl's bra and talking about a one night stand. It's like, it wasn't sexual. It's all power for him. It's like, it has nothing to do with him trying to be like creepy, pervy. He wasn't being pervy. He was being his normal power hungry self. And in any way that he could diminish someone else and make them feel insecure and humiliated. That's what the picking up the bra was. But he,

regardless it's still disgusting well and then to say at least Peyton was pleasant in the morning just to remind you so gross it's petty in a way that like no no adult should be this petty and stealing note like he swiped Nathan's handwritten note to her what are you seven yeah

Yeah, I need Dan to like, I liked it when Dan and Karen got flirty in future episodes because Dan without that glimmer of redemption is a tough pill to swallow. But Dan, if I'm always on the verge of being like, it's just a more fun Dan to me. Yeah. Could I kiss him?

Could I have an hour-long lunch with him before finding out he's engaged? Honestly. Honestly. You went on a lunch date with Dan Scott. That's what happened to you, Joy. Oh, my God, Joy! It's so frustrating. He was so nice and handsome and, like, sweet. Yeah, and clearly he knows it. He's running for mayor! We'll never get over a grown-ass man texting you, "'Well, if I had a nickel for every time I got hit on by a woman.'"

Excuse me? I think knowing this guy's tone, he was like, whatever. If I had a nickel, I thought it was blah, blah, blah. I think that's what he was going for. I hope he read it back after he sent it and was like, eww. That didn't read very well. I really hope he made himself feel queasy because he made me feel sick to my stomach. He's in bed with his fiance. Babe, babe, look at this text. Does this look weird?

Does this come off weird? I was with this girl and I think she got the wrong idea. It's like she thought I asked her out or something because I asked her to have a meal with me.

idiot no guys i'm just not enlightened enough i'm not enlightened enough to yeah joy just be friends when we talk about gasoline on yourself and just light it on fire for him no we talk about tree hill voters and how it's possible that dan scott was able to charm a town into not understanding he's a sociopath this is what i'm going to envision

Like, in line at lunch asking pretty girls to sit with him and then be like, Have a meal with me. Why did you misinterpret this? What's your problem? I'm just trying to get to know my constituents. Yes. Barf. Yeah. Barf.

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You go to eBay. Seriously, there you'll be reunited with that designer goddess of your dreams, that iconic Gucci handbag authenticated by experts no less. And with that in mind, you might let a fun Prada mini bag catch your attention. But at eBay, wandering eyes are always welcome. So if you happen to also find the perfect cheetah print dress to go with that bag, we'll just call it fate, baby. So go ahead and let's take you down a Y2K adventure. Flirt with the endless possibilities, baby tees that say I'm

back chunky heels only you can pull off and the Y2K mini skirts that were way ahead of their time. And you better make a move on that timeless Tiffany and Coach arm necklace while you're at it. And just because you look good in chunky heels doesn't mean you'll slack on your sneaker game. Let your love for sneakers take you down a not so sold out road and hit the ground running with all the latest streetwear. Nike, Off-White, Fear of God, Stone Island, Kith, Supreme, and whatever Adidas collab pops up next.

The fines are limitless and the authenticity is verified for real. So don't worry when that Chrome heart ring steals your heart, let it ignite your inner goth and follow your destiny. Fall in love with a goth queen seller from Nevada. Who's got the whole selection. Get that lace up corset with the knee high platforms and stop at nothing to find the perfect leather jacket to complete the collection.

And if that has you cross paths with a vintage fringe jacket, have the courage to get the boots to match. Just go full cowboy and never look back. Next thing you know, you're topping off your wardrobe with authentic luxury handbags and the most pristine watches because now you're confident and eBay's your place.

The more you love, the more you'll find. From the new to the pre-loved and waiting to be loved. The timeless classics to the one of ones and everything in between. Yeah, eBay. It's the place for new, pre-loved, vintage, and rare fashion. eBay. Things people love. Friends, Symbiotica is a supplement brand that we love and trust. You've heard Hillary say, we're science fair kids. We love research. We love hacking our health. And for me in particular, I...

I noticed that when I'm really good about my supplements, I have so much more energy. I focus better. I get better sleep. So I'm committed. Everyone around me can tell when I've been taking my supplements. I'm a much more pleasant person to be around.

And so these are formulated with high quality ingredients. Symbiotica is transparent about how and where they source ingredients to ensure that you get the best products possible. And their formulas do not have any seed oils, preservatives, toxins, or

artificial additives or quote natural flavors. I mean, most supplements have that weird chalky taste or it's like sulfuric and it lingers for a while. And so it's really, it's hard to find a supplement that has premium ingredients, but still tastes great.

That's why we like it. Symbiotica has transformed our lives, and I am so glad we've found a brand that actually cares about us, its customers. I know I can finally see a difference in how I function and feel, and I actually look forward to taking my supplements every day.

every day. Feel more energized, alert, and balanced with high quality supplements that work. Head over to symbiotica.com. That's C-Y-M-B-I-O-T-I-K-A.com and use code drama for 20% off and free shipping on your subscription order. I'm Victoria Cash, and I want to invite you to a place called Lucky Land.

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Let's spin that wheel. Yeah. Okay. We got a most likely to... Most likely to... Oh, this is great. Regift something gifted to them. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I mean, okay. On the show...

Dan Scott. I was going to say Whitey. I feel like, you know how teachers always get shitty gifts at the end of the year? Like, how many mugs does a teacher really need? You know? I feel like Whitey's the kind of guy that's just like, here, take this thing. I don't want this. I think it's Haley. Really? I think it's Haley. Oh my God, do tell. I think it's like the one...

It's like something she could get away with that's not wrong. Right. It's a minor. Do you know what I mean? It's just a slight, like, nobody's going to know, and she can just, like, slightly pass it on. No biggie. Well, actually, isn't it Brooke in this episode that gives away all her CDs? And she's like, that was a really nice thing to do with my things. With my CDs. Yeah.

I can see Brooke doing it majorly. I will say, I have a theory, perhaps controversial, but in the spirit of defending, re-gifting. Every so often, I've been given something that I'm like, this is lovely. I don't like to waste stuff. You don't. I take things to goodwill and salvation so regularly. Yeah.

have on occasion been given something and I'm just like this looks exactly like Jenny or oh my god you know who would love this my friend Jed like I've just been given something that I don't actually need or that like I might have one but one of my friends really wants one and then I'm like I'm gonna I'm

I'm not going to like give it to them for their birthday. That feels weird. But like on a random Tuesday, you're not going to wrap it. Is that the deal? As long as you don't wrap a re-gift, it's fine. I think so. Because then I think it's like, you won't believe this thing I got. I knew you wanted one here. And it's just like, well, that's nice. Yeah. I'm not mad. I think we need to buy less stuff.

And destigmatize. Regifting. Regifting. Yeah. By the way, essentially it's how I feel about vintage. I pay to regift someone else's stuff to myself. Is that true? Is that true? I know. All right. Sophia wins. So anyway. Sophia in real life. That's my theory. That's my theory. Sticking to it. Thank you guys for joining us. We will see you next week for episode 311.

311. More drama. Looks like maybe there's some storylines actually going to start happening now that they built all the bridges they needed to build. No more flashbacks. Yeah. The next episode is called Return of the Future. So like maybe we get real time TV back. I don't know. Yeah. No more freeze frame. Sorry, guys. Freeze frames out. This is all you got. See you guys later. See you next week.

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