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Hey all you drama queens, welcome back to episode 11, 111, The Loot.

Isn't that a song? That feels good. It is. The Living Years. That's why. Okay. The Eagles, maybe Don Henley. Okay. Anyway, listen. Here's what happens in this episode. In this episode, unable to cope with the pressure from Dan, Nathan quits the basketball team while Peyton enjoys having her dad home.

Daddy. And we get to meet her dad for the first time, which was such a nice introduction of a new parent to the scenario. And I wish we'd gotten to see more of him, this lovely actor. Thomas Ian Griffith. Yeah. I mean, I had two, three very good actors playing father figures to me. There's Thomas Ian Griffith here.

And then Kevin Kilner came in to play the character later. And then John Doe played my birth dad years later. But in this first, like, introduction of Peyton's dad, the character's name was not originally Larry. The character's name was originally Glenn. But I was living above that bar. Oh, Glenn, the guy! Yeah.

The scary guy. Scary guy that would stare at you. Girls, I had so many creepy nights with Glenn. We're like, I would go out on my patio and our patios are right next to each other. And he'd just be like, you alone over there? You know, and I'd like just broken up with my boyfriend and was like living alone. And it was the first time I really kind of had to navigate that myself. And you know, I'm that person that's been watching Dateline like forever. Forever.

And like before that unsolved mysteries and things. And like SVU marathons on Sundays. Oh my God. Oh my God. Yes. And so worst case scenario was always like on my mind. But this dude named Glenn that lived next to me had creeped me out enough.

That when I got the script, I immediately went to our bosses and I was like, guys, he's going to think it's a sign. He's going to think I'm like communicating with him. I want to change the name. And they're like, OK, we don't care. You know, like, what do you want to change it to?

And my childhood love, like the boy I loved from kindergarten through freshman year in high school was Larry Eppard. He has since married one of like my other great loves, Sarah Yassine, who we cheered with. And I, you know, like, I guess they hadn't gotten married yet, but they had been together since we were in high school. And I was like, Larry is a safe person. Like Larry is someone who I love. It's a name I can say with like affection, like I love you.

you, Larry. Did you tell the show? Did you tell them that the writers that? Oh, yeah. I was like, it's my childhood love. It's the person who I trust so, so much. You know, it was just a name that did sound like a like strong dad energy. Sure. Like there's not a lot of kids walking around named Larry. Like we weren't going to run into a Larry at Tree Hill High School. So they're like, sure. But that is how that's how dad got his name. But yeah, to Joy's point,

I had been told, did you guys hear this? I did now that once you said it, I had like echoes in my memory of something. They recast my dad because they thought that we had so much flirty energy. And when we were in the thick of it back in like 2003, I just kind of took their word for it. And now that I'm watching it back, I'm like, I don't see it. I don't see it. I don't see it at all. I see so much like...

but it doesn't feel like it has a chemistry. It feels really authentic and the affection feels real. And he definitely does not, I mean, to me anyway, appear to be flirting with you. No, no, he like, Thomas did a really nice job. He did a beautiful job. Poor Thomas. Yeah, well, he's on Cobra Kai now. So he was like the bad guy from Karate Kid. And they're bringing him back onto Cobra Kai now.

So I hope he's out there kicking ass. I think we had a good three-episode run with him. It's hard bringing in a new parent character and having to see these characters that have been really independent now all of a sudden like, aw, shucks. It felt weird to say daddy. That felt weird. For Peyton, yeah, I could see that. I could see that. I loved it, though. I loved watching the way you guys played your scenes, and I love seeing that

that sort of youthful innocence in her. Cause she does always have to be a grownup and like he comes home and, and you know, you, you really seem like a sweet kid and it's nice. We weren't flirty. I'll tell you who was flirty today in this episode was Brooke. That was a lot of flirtiness, but it was vulnerable. But then, oh yeah. I mean, it went to a really vulnerable place, which I loved. I loved that arc for you.

But yeah, that was that was tough. We were all kind of cringing at that hot tub scene. That was that was a rough way to start. Yeah. I mean, that that was the scene that led to my, you know, first ever screaming fight with my bosses. And I did what I said I was going to do, which was I came to work for the next scene wearing a turtleneck. So you sure did, girl. I was like, watch me. This is completely inappropriate. And I will continue to wear I will wear turtlenecks forever.

Is the title of this episode Pasties and Turtlenecks? Because honestly, it should be. It really should be. You could have had the same effect with all of your scenes, whether it's like from last episode where you're taking the Polaroids to this episode where you're unzipping your pants and stuff. You could have gotten the same effect without...

turning it up to 11 every time. Yeah. You know, it was like somebody read a perfectly good script and was like, you know what we need is more cowbell. It's like, Brooke is the cowbell. That's a great reference. Honestly, they were like, ring the bell, child. Yes. You're the cowbell. I will say, though, like, it made me so happy to finally get to a point with her in this episode where...

All of that gets taken away. Yeah. You know, like the cracking the joke being like, I'm going to borrow this poem in case he's feeling frisky. Like all those gross one liners. We get to this point where she's she keeps saying, like, I feel uncomfortable. I feel scared. I feel like I'm not enough. I feel like I'm not being chosen. I I feel afraid. Yeah. And and it and those scenes grow in intensity. Yeah.

And when she finally gets to say, I don't feel like, I feel like we're both being played, which honestly is true. Oh my God, she's so right. She's so right. She's like, he's literally, he's dating us both. It's weird. But by the end, when she gets to sit and be really vulnerable, and I kind of feel like it's the foreshadowing for years later when she finally admits that she's terrified she's not enough. Oh, when she's like, I need you to need me. Oh, this is the beginning.

of that. It's the beginning of this girl saying, I don't feel like I am as valuable. I'm scared you're not going to pick me. I'm scared you don't really want me for anything other than, you know. Or that you have to supplement me with someone else, which is a terrible feeling, you know, where it's like, like, Brooke Davis is enough. I think our fan base, you know, can like fervently express that. But

to know like, oh, you have to go and hang out with a whole other person because you're not stimulated talking to me or you're not, you know, whatever. I got nervous watching this. I was like, oh, is Peyton gaslighting Brooke by being like, you're fine. Everything's fine. Everything's fine. And I think, I think

No. And maybe that's just me being defensive of Peyton. Like, I think she genuinely wanted you to feel like, no, baby, this is your win. This is your win. But Lucas for sure gaslights her. Like, Lucas for sure is like, what are you talking about? But you know what I actually see for Peyton? And I have such a heart for it. I see a friend really trying to do her best.

I think in that scene where you're like, no, you're good and you're enough. He's choosing you. I think the reason you leave is because you can't keep going. Like what a weird moment to leave a person. But I think you leave because you're doing your best to

To be her friend. And in the last episode, when you, you know, when you left the cafe at open mic night, cause seeing us was hard and I run after you that the sort of like missed connection that these girls are having of like, don't feel like a third wheel. You're my best friend. You're more important to me than him. And you're like, yeah, it's the third wheel thing. Like Peyton is picking Brooke. She's saying, you're my best friend. I choose you over this.

And it, I don't know, it is, it is a love story. These two. For sure. Yeah. I love it. And I think when you're, I, I have a lot of like, oh, baby girl tenderness for Peyton in this position because what a nightmarish spot to be in. And they're just kids who don't know how to explain the totality of their feelings to each other.

Well, I like that Haley is expressing her feelings in this episode of loyalty to Nathan through booze and skipping school. Hey, you just got the devil in her this episode. But honestly, it didn't make me cringe at all. I loved it. I was like, you go, Haley James. When Haley goes buck wild, we're all like, woo!

Why does Haley keep ending up with these hats? Oh, my God. At this point, they're just screwing with you, baby. Yeah, I mean, that was the most hideous thing I've ever seen in my life. That was worse than the penis hat. You're saying you don't want to sell that as merch? You don't want to sell the Haley James, like, knit goober hat? Maybe that one was the penis hat, and I mixed up my memories.

I don't know. No, the other one surely looked more phallic. Yeah, it was bad. But I do remember that was the first time I ever had to throw up on anybody on camera. And they gave me this cup full of like a little, like a banana smoothie. And I had to take a sip of it right before I got in the car and hold it in my mouth. The whole time. Yeah, until the shot. It's the worst. So you just sit there like acting normal. And then you have to pretend like something's coming up and then you throw it up. Yeah.

I just had never thrown up in anybody's lap. I didn't throw up in his lap. Crazy. They didn't have done that multiple times. He was a great sport about it. I wish we had him on right now to talk about it, but we'll ask him when we see him. But that was a fun day. It was a fun episode. We went out to the beach and that house was so gorgeous, Dan's Beach House. And it was fun.

To be... James and I had fun. I think I just remember being outside. He and I hadn't gotten to do a lot of stuff, just the two of us out on a location. We usually were on stage somewhere. So...

That might have been the first time it was just the two of us on location somewhere. Has there been another scene that I'm missing? Is it the first time we're on the beach? Might have been. It feels like it. Tree Hill was this kind of like nondescript town in the middle of nowhere. And then they realized like, oh God, we've got this gorgeous ocean right here. Like let's use that. But yeah. Yeah.

I feel like the beach kind of belonged to you two. You know, we'd seen the distance at the party, but we hadn't been out there, had we? I don't think so. I don't think so. So it was a really, it was a gorgeous house. It was a beautiful day. I had on that stupid hat and I got to play drunk, which was so fun. So here's the secret to playing drunk for all you actors out there, which I hope I did a good job so that you actually want to take this advice. You did. Yeah.

You did great. The secret to playing drunk is play sober. So whatever you think you would do to act sober, like intentionally, like I am acting, I am going to put this down. I'm going to sit down here and I'm going to be fine. I am fine. I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm fine.

That actually is always the thing I do when I have to play drunk. Is I literally, like, I get a little like this. I kind of give myself a sway. She's swaying back and forth. I'm fine. I'm good. And it puts me right there where I'm like... The sense memory comes back. Totally fine. The spins. That's it. The, like, difficulty opening your eyes. Yeah. But what I like about this episode is that we see...

Haley and Nathan who have nothing in common. And we see Brooke and Lucas who have nothing in common. And these two couples are trying to navigate like, how do we connect? And because Haley and Nathan talk so much and they talk about therapy and they, you know, they really like dig into the meat of a relationship. They're getting there, you know, whereas Brooke and Lucas are like,

She's begging him. She's like, I want to connect. I want to connect. I want to connect. And he's like, let me put my tongue in your mouth. Right. That's how every conversation ends. He's like, sure, baby, you got it. He's like, yeah, let's kiss. Yeah, exactly. Well, and one of the things I love so much, too, as we look at the difference between the two, that moment.

As fun as it was to watch Nathan and Haley skip school and have these little adventures and like, you know, get teenage wild. I loved when he came to her and said, essentially, like, I don't want you to change first.

I like you. And he says, I like that a person like you sees something in me. And the energy that James brought to that scene, at least for me as a viewer, was it felt like he was saying to her, you make me want to change for the better. I don't want you to change to like ditch class. Yeah. But it was good for her though. It was good for her. It was good for her. But I just, I loved that he,

Rather than leaning into it and being like, let's just keep, you know, partying was like, no, but you, I like you. Yeah. Did you ever do a bad thing for a boy in high school? What was the worst thing that you did? I don't know. I was a, I was a pretty tame kid. Oh, I know what I did. I lied. I had a boyfriend who was real bad. We've talked about him. And, uh, he, uh,

Snuck out of school and went home and like had lunch and then drank a beer and then came back to school in the English teacher smelled beer on him.

And so he got sent to the principal's office and they like didn't have a breathalyzer at the high school. And they were like, you have been drinking. And he's like, what are you talking about? They're like, you've been drinking. And he said, no, I have not. I did go home. I did. I'll admit that I skipped school and I went home and I had leftovers from last night. I went to Outback Steakhouse with the Burtons last night because we had gone out to dinner and my parents had had him like join us and

But he didn't get like beer soaked pizza or, you know, like what, what smells like beer the next day? And so they called me into the office and they're like, is this story true? Yeah.

And I had to be like, oh, yeah, for sure. It's the leftover Outback Steakhouse. That's what you're smelling, friends. And it was traumatic because I was like student government and like, you know, super good. That's hilarious, though, Hill. Soph, did you ever do anything in high school that was like bad for a boy? Yeah. Oh, man. Well, oh, I remember my junior year in high school.

my friend's parents were going out of town the weekend of prom, which I'm like, I mean, what do you do? What parent plans that? Yeah, it's pretty stupid. You planned it? Like you set us up. And because I was like, you know, a pretty type A responsible kid. I remember her parents being like, well, the two of you are in charge. And I was like, I'm not in this family, but okay. Like, sure. Yeah.

Because I think the idea was, you know, we know nine times out of ten, like, you know, Sophia is the designated driver. If there's like house parties, whatever. Yeah, Sophia had a checklist. She's like, turn the porch lights on at 830. I got wild from time to time, but I was generally too scared. And so I think they were kind of like, you'll make sure things don't get out of hand. And we had...

some friends that liked to be out of hand. And what was supposed to be like 20 people having an after prom party turned into like 150 people at the house in the pool. It was a rager. It was insane. That's way too many people. You were like Lindsay Lohan in Mean Girls. No, it was on. It felt like a movie. Like it was so crazy. There were so many people. And I,

I remember just being like, what are we going to do? And like trying to manage stuff, but also, you know, trying to make sure, I don't know. I didn't want to like be a dork. I didn't want to be like a, you know, stick in the mud. Yeah.

And yeah, things just got so wonky. Safe, thank God, but I was terrified. I could just picture you like looking in the bathrooms to make sure there's still enough toilet paper for everyone. 100%. 100%. Oh yeah, I was like, oh, you need a bottle?

her here oh you need toilet paper here like whatever I remember one of this guy who a girl at my school was dating was like showing us something and I didn't want I was like cool like I don't know what that is and literally years later when I was in college the first time I ever saw a person roll a joint I was like oh my god he was smoking marijuana like I was such a dork I just didn't know and so um

I remember going, I went to sleep that night and like there were obviously not enough beds for everyone. And I slept in a bed with my boyfriend. What? And it turned into...

this like massive scandalous like because of course we got caught we all got caught yeah of course um we tried to lie it didn't go well that's what I did I lied I lied to my friend's parents because I tried to say only a couple people came and then they invited other people and then which was true but we were like uh and I don't know why we said this we were like everyone was out by 1 a.m we swear and

And my friend's dad holds up a photo like this and goes, so why does the clock behind this guy opening a beer in my kitchen say 4.30? And we were like...

And then somebody had taken a picture of my high school sweetheart and I asleep in a bed together. But they did it because the joke was this poor guy's been dating Sophia for three years. She won't put out. She won't put out. Like the poor kid. It's his one trophy. Yeah. Everyone was like, oh, oh, oh, oh. And so then it turned into this thing where like weirdly parent, like the parents were like, what did you do? And I was like, I slept. Yes. I was sleeping.

What are you talking about?

And man, it was a whole, it was like a whole big thing. Luckily he has the loveliest family and his parents were just like, the fact that you can give us a break, y'all were fine. But I, I definitely felt bad because I lied. I lied to my friend's parents about the time, but that was really not, that wasn't for a boy so much as just for us because we were trying to not get grounded until we graduated. It's the lion man. Joy, were you a liar like we were?

No, I was pretty good. I mean, no, I can't think of anything I did bad for a boy. I really like, no, that was, that was really have annoyed me. And my best friend at the time who I was totally in love with in high school, who was a boy, was also a good kid. So, you know, he was like upstanding young man, citizen, always trying to do the right thing. No, I do. I don't know why this is coming to mind because it's not,

Really on topic, but I'll tell you anyway. I remember... Because I guess it's a misunderstanding. I did feel like because I...

It's because I'm an artist or a theater kid. I told you like I would change in the backseat of a car, whether it was a boy or girl driving, like whatever I would have. Like I just was used to dance and theater and you just, I was very comfortable with my body. But not in like, I wasn't trying to fuck everybody. I just was like comfortable in my body. And by the way, it's a bangin' body, Joy. I'd be comfortable in that too. What?

So it just, but I knew that I felt misunderstood a lot. I felt like people looked at me like I was trying to get attention with my body and that I was trying to be slutty when I wasn't. I just was like a dancer kid, theater kid. Oh, you mean they were mad at you because you didn't feel insurmountable shame about just being a girl? Yeah.

Oh, shocking. For a scarlet letter on her. Who are you? I remember going up to his lake house. He and his family had this lake house, and I remember going up to it one summer, and I

And I got, there was a shower and we were kind of like, I don't know if I had just, if we were, it was a bunch of kids that weekend. I think his parents maybe weren't there. And I remember I got, I was taking a shower and he came in to brush his teeth and there was a big curtain. It's not like we could see each other, but, and we were very, very close, like besties, like since we were 13. So this was a very Lucas Haley relationship, except that I was desperately in love with him. Oh.

It's okay. It all worked out. But I was in the shower and I don't know if you guys do this when you turn on the hot water again, being like a tactile person and being in touch with my body. I just sit there under the heat and I'm like, ah. And I just like, you know, let it all. I'm a singer and I'm vocal. And so I'm sitting in this shower and he's brushing his teeth and I'm in the steaming shower going, ah. Ah.

And he just goes. And he just like, he stops the water and he's like, what are you doing? Oh, God. I didn't even clock that. But it wasn't like he was turned on. He was like mad at me for trying to do something. I was like, I'm taking a shower. Oh, God. Oh, no. No, I'm not.

And he was like, whatever, Joy. Then, you know, he rinses his mouth and walked out of the bathroom. He was mad at me. And I just don't, I don't like, I could never have said anything to convince him that I was not like trying to turn him on and get him in the shower. Remember when all those herbal essence commercials were out? Remember the herbal essence commercials? There was like the woman moaning in the shower. Yes.

Isn't that so funny? That made me so uncomfortable. You guys, I'm so red. I just had to let it go. I had to let it go. I was like, well, he's going to think I'm a slut. Okay. He thinks I'm shiny. Also, the acoustics in the bathroom are supreme. Oh, yeah. So, of course you're making sounds. Yeah. I'm red, too. I'm sweating just even thinking about it still. I'm so uncomfortable. Embarrassing moments from high school. Also, I just realized, you guys, I need to say this. So, we threw this party that got out of hand after prom. She's still upset about it.

the party. I'm so upset. And we got caught and it was so sad. And my mom really did me a solid and was like, if I tell your father, he's going to kill you, which honestly doesn't make sense. My dad's like a very sensitive artist. I don't think that would have happened. But my mom goes, I'm going to tell your dad I found a pack of cigarettes in your car and that's why you're grounded for three weeks.

And so, Dad, you should probably know that when I was a junior in high school, we threw a rager of an after prom party and mom and I lied to you about why. Wait, your dad doesn't know?

I don't think he knows. Hi, Dad. I was realizing that in real time. My sweet dad who cries every time he tells me he's proud of me probably wouldn't have flipped out. But I was today years old when I realized I still had a secret from him. I love this confession. The cigarettes. My mom, I was like, what? Oh, all right. Whatever. Sure, Mom. Confessional moments. Friends, we all...

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Okay, how do we get back into the show right now? Well, my question is, okay, so Sophia, if your dad would have been upset about you having this party like in high school. Yeah. When we shot this, we're only like a couple years out of high school. We're like, you know, three, four years out of high school. How did your parents react to all this like hot tub stuff? Like all the sexy time stuff? Yeah, they didn't love that.

They were like, this is... What is this? You know, I think it was just, it was always, it was uncomfortable for them. You know, like as a kid, I don't know. I don't think any of us or anyone listening, like you don't want to see your parents have sex. And I don't think parents want to think about their kids having sex either. No, it's awkward enough when it comes on in a movie and you're all sitting in the room together. It's like, oh man.

And, you know, there's that probably points to the fact that as a society, we need to grow up a little bit and like get unashamed of our bodies. Joy, teach a class.

You know what does it real quick? I just showed Gus the Shining where, you know, like the hot naked woman in the bathtub gets out and he's being a creep and they start kissing and then her body decomposes. So I just watched that with Gus and he never wants to see a naked woman ever in his whole life. He's ruined. You're all witches. Yeah, their body's going to fall apart and rot. That'll do it.

Yeah, that's the only sex scene that's acceptable is when she turns into a corpse. Well, and the irony that here we are, you know, talking about like crazy teenage behavior, which we were always modeling on the show. And like everyone's flirting with everyone. And they recast your dad because apparently y'all were flirting. And there was no sexual energy between you. I don't see it. I mean, maybe it'll come up in future episodes, but I didn't clock it at all.

You know who has real sexy energy? And they have a scene in this episode and I was like, oh man, Deb and Keef. Girl, that was hot. They talk like when they're chatting and he's like, yeah, send Nathan to talk to me. I'm just like, I don't know.

Isn't it funny how chemistry works? Because I do love Keith and Karen and there's a, there's a no, like they know each other and there's a warmth there. There's something familiar. It's tender. But there was like some kind of heat, some kind of energy between Deb and Keith. I don't know how that happens. And interestingly though,

And Craig is like a, I don't want to say he's a flirty person, but he is a person who listens. Yeah. And he looks at you when he's talking to you and it feels nice. Yeah. And so his character like listens to the women. He listens to Deb. He listens to Karen. He wants to tell them both like, you're a good mom. You're doing a good job. He says the things that you want to hear. Lucas is copying that behavior and he's telling Brooke that.

girl, you are great. And he's telling Peyton, like, your art matters. You know, like, it's, I don't know how intentional it is, but it is a generational pattern that we're witnessing. Except that the way Lucas is doing it is, I guess, the way a teenage boy would, which is mimicking rather than, I don't know, help me with the vocabulary word of like,

He's he's mimicking it. He's not actually it's not coming from authentic place of really listening and caring. I think he's mimicking the kiss the hot girl. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it seems like he wants to kiss all the girls. Like, you know, the the continuation of the way he shows up for Peyton and then the way he shows up for Brooke. It makes sense to me why Brooke says, I think he's

you know, when she says he's trying to have it both ways, he's like, he's basically trying to date us both. And, and when you watch it, you're like, yeah, I mean, it kind of is. Yeah.

Yeah, for sure. He's confused. It's probably the most 16-year-old thing about Lucas. You know, they like wrote, like, I love books and I'm a man and I'm the man of the house and I think about things. But like ultimately, 16-year-old boys want to get down with as many girls as they can get down with. You know, like it's just, it's a hormone thing. Well, yeah, I think the most juvenile thing about the character is the immaturity with his emotions. Yeah. And if he didn't have that, you'd probably be like, come on, this is not a kid.

No, it'd be James Van Der Beek. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's terrible for Brooke and Peyton, but it works really well, you know, for, for a young boy. I like it in the show too, because it's a good contrast with where Nathan is at having already experienced all of the stuff that Lucas is just kind of walking into, wading into the world. Nathan's already been through all that. So now he's on this journey of,

To self-discovery, to discovering how to be a better person in the world. He's seeing Dan for who he is. He's...

really confused and torn in so many directions, but he's learning how to stand up for himself. I mean, I was just so in love with the character of Nathan in this episode. He really won my heart in a big way. I was just proud of him, the way he walked away from the two parents arguing about who's going to give him a ride. And he's like, I'm going to take care of me, you know, setting his own boundaries. It's pretty great.

I loved it. I loved, we were watching the episode, you guys, and it was so cute. I don't even remember what scene it was, but a scene with Nathan ended and Joy, you go, I'm team Nathan, man. Yeah.

We were like, yeah. We love it. It was so cute. The Dan Scott, I love you, only exists because of Nathan asserting himself. Yeah. Right? Yeah. But was such a great piece of acting from Paul. And it was shot so well. What I loved, loved, loved about it is that it's super tight. So it feels like a whisper. And it's over Dan's shoulder.

Yeah, over the back. Those French overs. It feels like I can't look you in the eye when I say this. And, you know, normally when you shoot a scene, it's like your master shot, which includes the whole set and all the actors, big wide shot, and then coverage, coverage. You get coverage of each character. For them to use that angle on Paul and do a whole camera setup for that secret special, I love you, is...

It was really, really good. That's good TV. Yeah. It's such good TV. And the way Paul chose to play it, you know, saying how much he cares about him, no matter what he chooses, he says these things and starts to cry. I mean, his, you know, his tears in his eyes and the,

That pregnant pause where he says all the validating things and that's already so hard for him. And it's like he almost chokes before he says, I love you. And you're right. He can't look Nathan in the eye when he does it. Oh, I mean, what a vulnerable place for Paul to have gone as an actor. What beautiful choices he made in that moment. Yeah, I agree. It was lovely. Considering he's such a bastard in all the other scenes.

Well, I'm considering that the scene starts, by the way, with Nathan coming in and saying, I'm really sorry for all the stuff I've been pulling. And Hillary, when we watched it, you were like, he's apologizing to his abuser. Yeah, maybe not. And then we get to the end of the scene and we're like, oh, man, Paul did really good. It's such a weird thing when you're trying to observe the characters, but you're also watching your friends be incredible actors. Yeah. Tom.

Tom Wright did a great job directing this episode. I especially loved the ending when we got to see everybody in their own place of kind of feeling out their own sense of loss, confusion, misplacement in the world. And...

You know, hoping for hope. I felt like we got a piece of all of that, which was a tone that I think had been missing a little bit from the last few episodes. I think we kind of got away from that with all the drama. And this episode seemed to come back to the heart, the core of what this show is about. It's not about the drama. It's about the people. Yeah.

Well, and the space for big feelings. I mean, even thinking about the fact that it opens in the therapist's office. Right. It's like, this is going to be an episode where we really excavate what's going on with everybody. And it rings true through the whole thing. And it's really good. Yeah. I loved that. I want to talk about Jake Jagielski. Let's talk about him. All the time. I mean, Jake Jagielski is...

is a really grounding character in this because he makes Lucas kind of cut the and he's got way bigger things going on than anyone else you know like having a child is such a major deal that it's like oh your feelings got hurt by a boy cool story kid you know um I I loved

working with Brian. Like, it's not a secret that I was just like, oh my God, he's so cool. But to see him with these scenes with the baby in this episode and bringing her to practice and the slow burn between Peyton and Jake, she has not, like, I mean, we see like little twinkle in her eye, but Peyton has not been like, sup? And,

Whereas so many other characters in our show are just like, I love you, like right away. Like the rush into relationships. Like even, Sophia, you were saying in the last episode when Brooke shows up and she's like, hi, boyfriend. And we were like, oh, yeah.

We're there. What? I guess. We're on the B word? Yeah. Fine. Yeah. The slow burn with Jake, I like. I'm slow to warm up in real life. It's good for Peyton. Same. This is sort of what we were talking about in the episode that we saw.

where everybody was goading you and you kissed Lucas out of spite almost. And then suddenly you guys were in a bedroom tearing each other's clothes off. And he's telling you, I want everything with you. I want the whole fairy tale after like four episodes. It's just like, you know, I mean, he just met you. Yeah. Chill the fuck out, man. Like what? Yeah. And this feels, that's what I was saying when we were watching, I get such soulmate vibes from Jake and Peyton because he, yeah,

waiting for her. He gets it and she takes time and he takes time. He's got plenty of shit going on too and I just feel like it was such a good match and I'm so mad that we got robbed and we didn't get to see you guys together forever. I agree. That's all. I'm off my soapbox. We were supposed to do a different movie. There was a movie that we were supposed to do together years ago. Really?

yeah, something he did. And they like called to see if I could do it. And I had like, you know, I had a toddler and Jeff was gone and I wasn't able to go do it. But Greenberg is one of those people. I've gotten to work with so many of our friends doing Christmas movies. Yeah. You know, like Tyler and Buckley and, you know, Antoine and Lee and all, you know, the whole gang that I haven't gotten to work with.

Brian again. And I would like to. He's a scene partner. That's going to give me my Peyton and Jake for life moment. It's the ending we want to see. You know what's funny though? When you point out

How swiftly characters are like, all of it. You've changed my life. You're my everything. You've changed my life in three episodes. Yeah, it's like, gee, this is a lot. So much pressure. I love, and I guess I'm like, oh, that's what I relate to. Like the moment in the last episode at the open mic night,

when there's just that beat between Peyton and Jake and you like look at him, I'm like, oh, it's, that's everything. And I'm like, I guess that's how I flirt. I'm like, hey, and then I don't talk.

Because I'm slow to do the warm-up, too. I don't know. Greenberg, in real life, became like a good friend of me season one because I had gone through that breakup. I was like starting to date someone new. I didn't have a car. He went car shopping with me. And like I remember we were like looking at Mountaineers. Like he was like, what you need is a Mountaineer. Like let's go look at Mountaineers. Is that what I need? Yeah. I was like, sure, mister. That'll get you in my car.

But then he became, I'd never lived in LA. And so he became the person when we started to have to go out to LA for press for the show that would like show me where to eat dinner and like where to go. And you know, that, that same cool dude energy, like girl, I'm not, I'm not into you, but I'm your cool guy friend. You know, Jake has that. He's not looking for a girlfriend, you know, everything's about the daughter and he's,

his interests lie outside of, I want to put my tongue in that girl's mouth. That's what sets him apart from the other boys. We're like, wow, look at that guy. And then it's like, oh man, the bar's maybe not that high. He's high above it, but I feel like the bar is kind of low. Set your bars high, ladies.

It's high school. Listen, I kissed so many people in high school and I don't regret a bit of it. No way, Jose. That's when you're supposed to kiss people. Yes. Get it out of your system. Oh, man. When I lived in New York after high school, I kissed so many people. So fun. You did? Of course. What's the best? Give me the best New York City post-high school kiss. Oh, my gosh. Where you hear like, kiss. Kiss. Kiss.

I told you about the guy that was at, from, from Juilliard that I, you know, we were dancing around and I was standing outside of his college dorm and he like answered, I went back cause I left something there and he answered the door shirtless. And then like, I was like, I'm dying right now. And then he, he hugged me and like my heart was pounding and he goes, your heart's pounding. Oh,

It was very exciting. But I actually don't even remember if we kissed then. I think I ran away like I always did. I was like, I'm okay. And then just ran off. But I was dating a guy in New York and I remember it was just like a dreary night. We went to see some Beatles movie at like one of those, you know, movie theaters underground that played old movies. Yeah. Some draft house or something. And then, yeah, I remember going outside and it was like,

It was on the east side and it was drizzly and we just kissed on a street corner. And it was so beautiful. And by the way, this is somebody who had been dating my roommate before.

And then... Scandal. I know. And then he... This is the high school thing. Oh my gosh, Hillary, this is the same thing that happened to you, the switcheroo. And then he was like, I think I like your roommate instead. And I was like, I don't know if I... Oh my God, I think I was kind of like Brooke in this scenario. Boys love the switcheroo. She was like, I'm fine. It's fine. Whatever. Don't worry about it. You know, I wasn't that into him anyway. And then of course, years later, she was like, that wrecked me. I was like, I'm sorry. Oh God. You're like, but you said... Oh wow. You know, it is realistic. It is. It's your Brooke and Peyton moment. We're just...

young and dumb and we don't understand our emotions and we don't have anybody telling us what's okay and what's not okay. We're just trying to figure it out. And you so badly want to be okay with things to like be cool. You think it's mature. You know, team player and team player.

Just tell me how you feel. Here's the thing. If you're young out there listening, we just need you to go be as messy as humanly possible because, one, you'll get to laugh about it when you get older. Safely, please. And two, it's a good way to practice chaos. Like, chaos from kissing somebody is so easy. It seems big when you're young, but it's a really easy practice tool so that when you're older and like real shit,

hits the fan yeah you're like oh i know how to deal with this yeah i kissed the wrong person once and i practiced these feelings yeah yeah that's right i kissed somebody there was a boy my right before i left for college that i worked with and he was older and he was very um he felt dangerous like one of our dates was like we went to a cemetery that was supposed to be real haunted and

He'd been living alone in like a farmhouse out in the middle of nowhere. And, you know, like, and he drove like a muscle car. Sounds like a serial killer. I know. I'm like, is this true detective? Baby, he was so good looking. Yeah.

And I was like, I'm working with this guy, but I'm going to kiss him for sure. And so we went out. We had to – I don't know where we went one night. And he picked me up, and he brought me home, and we talked on my parents' front stoop for a long time. And I was like, well, I'll walk you to your car. My parents' neighborhood had the best show because I was kissing a nude dude every other week. Like that's the last summer before college. And as we got to his car door, we just stood there, and I was like –

I don't want it to be awkward at work. And he goes, it's been awkward. And then kissed me. And I was just like, this is awesome. That is good. Kiss as many people as possible. Yeah, for sure. I'm down with that. All right. This is what you do when the love of your life, the apple of your eye, the bag you would beg for can wait no longer. You ready? You

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I know what I want to talk about in this episode. Oh, yeah, go, go. Eye makeup. Because you guys have met JoJo. You haven't met Kelly Jefferson yet, who was the other half of that dream team. Sophia, your eye makeup in particular is so on point. So beautiful. It's so good. It's so bold.

Talk to us about the collaboration between you and Kelly Jefferson to create the iconic early 2000s look. Oh, yeah. I don't know. I...

I wish I could remember how it started. But when Kelly came in, because, you know, she wasn't our makeup artist right in the beginning. Yeah. She was like, this girl is into fashion. And we were like looking through magazines because there was no Pinterest yet. And we really got into this idea, which I love because it's like Brooke's trying to make herself up.

Like the girls she sees in the magazines. But she's 16, so she like matches her eyeshadow to her outfit. And I just love it. And we really thought a lot about how to do it and how to bring...

Something young to it because it's a it's a it's a it's a look that you see on girls in their 20s. Yeah, or at least you did then. And so we really wanted to figure out how to make it feel like, you know, this young girl who was super into makeup, but she didn't have like an eye. She did every day. She like coordinated with her outfits and everything.

I don't know. I just loved it. Remember the Candies ads? Remember the Candies ads? The shoes? Yeah, yeah. I feel like that kind of color and that mischief is like really kind of how the Brooke character started to feel. Like, I'm going to wear this juicy lip gloss today.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. We got really into God, we bought so many palettes of really colorful eyeshadow. We got really into like super glossy lip gloss. I mean, Kelly and I really, really worked on what that girl looked like. It's awesome. Your eye makeup was really good, too. Did you? Yeah. Once you started dating Nathan, did that free you up to be flirtier aesthetically? Yeah.

Because they really tried to make you like, you know, the girl that didn't wear any makeup in the beginning. Yeah, I think that was part of it. She was like just experimenting a little bit more with...

feel it wanting to feel grown up um but I also don't know that we put I don't think I put that much thought into it I might have but I don't remember but was Kelly on this episode she must have been because that is such a Kelly yeah so um yeah I mean I think that was just her instinct was to was to draw out my brown eyes I don't know try and make them look

bigger or something doughier i don't know but she knows she did a great job yeah we need to ask her for sure she'll tell us kelly ray gore jefferson okay so destiny wants to know after so many years of doing the show how were you guys able to snap into character and back into your own personality during filming and do you think that affected your actual personality

I think it would be the other way around for me. I mean, my personality would have affected the character more than the character affecting my personality. I think, I hope. Yeah. I mean, I've said it in the past. I feel like part of the reason I got so goofy in interviews or just like kind of flippant and would lie is because I needed people to understand that I'm not Peyton. Sorry. Like I, I'm not an innately sad person. So I would clown it up a lot. I still do. Um,

Because I also just don't like wallowing in shit, you know? I'm not a wallower. Yeah. Just be sad and move on. Me too. Yeah, I feel that. I don't like to wallow, but I...

I am really analytical and really introspective and really want to like, I want to suck the marrow out. You know, I want to get the lesson. I want to understand systems. Like I like technical things and none of that you see in Brooke. We got a glimpse of it this episode where she's like, I need to know your hobby. Yeah, that's true. I need to know what you like. I need to know what you like and I want to like it too. But I...

Yeah, I think what was hard, and I talked about this a little bit before too, it was hard for me to feel like people thought I was some like out there super sexual person because Brooke was. Because it brought an energy and like a gaze my way that made me feel very, very exposed and very uncomfortable. So it's interesting. I...

I know that as the years went on, there were things about my personality, to Joy's point, that affected Brooks more.

And I do think I took some lessons from Brooke. God, I was such a people pleaser. I was a pro at ignoring red flags and just being a good girl. And Brooke really taught me to be like, I'm not going to put up with this. Absolutely not. I'm done. We're finished here. This is the line. You've crossed it. I didn't have that when I started playing her at all. That took me years to cultivate. And I, in hindsight...

And like, I don't know. But in hindsight, I feel like she probably helped me learn that. That's so cool. Yeah. I was like, I'm done. I'm done. I'm just crying in my Cheerios still. Just feeling big feelings. Dealing with my kids. You know, it's so funny because I like...

My son is a really tender animal. And so sometimes when we're watching these episodes and I see Peyton being like particularly sensitive, it's like watching Gus in a wig. Because he has the chin tremble when he gets upset. And I'm just like, oh.

Oh, my gosh. That's my kid. Yeah. Yeah. He can't watch these till he's much, much, much older. Otherwise, he'll just be able to manipulate me. It's too much. All right. We got another question. Joy, what's our next question? Oh, I like this one. And we've talked about this, but I think the fans will love to know. Aaron has a question about stage names. Mm-hmm.

She asks, have you ever considered or did you ever consider using a stage name instead of your real name? And Joy, why do you use Bethany if you don't go by that name? Is there a story behind why you go by Joy instead of Bethany?

Um, yeah, I'll run into my, my portion portion of this real quick. Um, I, I of course considered using a stage name when I was younger because I was obsessed with the name Rose. And I remember going on an audition once with my mother and I was old enough to sign my name. She made me sign myself into the sign in sheet. So I must've been, I think I was probably 10, nine or 10. And I, uh, wrote my name as Rose Lenz.

on the sign-in sheet because I wanted to see what, you know, what it would sound like to have somebody call that out. And if I liked it. And so she said, you know, somebody came out and called Rose, Rose Lenz. And I stood up and walked in. My mom's like, do you know where you got the name from? Where'd you hear it? That you were like, that's the one. I don't. I've just, and it's my daughter's middle name. I've just always, I don't know that name just very syncopated with me in some, in some deep way. Um,

symbiotic. I don't know what the word is anyway. But yeah. And then I changed the spelling of my name to J-O-I-E when I was 13, just in high school and went by J-O-I-E lens for many years professionally and then changed it. When I got One Tree Hill, I was just going through sort of a shift in my life and trying to figure out, I guess, wanting to be more authentic and not trying to be whatever everybody else

what I thought everyone else wanted me to be. Um, which it's like the theme of my life. It's something I've been trying to figure out how to, it's been a very, it's funny being my age now and looking back and being like,

man, God, it took me a long time. Like I was aware that that was a problem of mine when I was 20, but it's still working its way out of my system. It takes time. Yeah. So that's why I decided to use my whole name. I've never personally liked the name Bethany for me. But I, I,

It was more of like a leap of faith. Like, I'm just going to embrace fully who I am and just go for this and use my whole name. So whatever. I still wish I was Rose Lenz, but it's too late now. Rose Joy Lenz. Yeah.

Yeah, it's funny because I interestingly know a lot of guys who go by their middle name. Oh, yeah. Oh, sure. Yeah. You know, and I don't really know where that comes from. If someone wants to give us the research on that, we would love it. Yeah. But one of the things that I always thought was cool about you using your full name, you know, first, middle, last, was that people who aren't really close to you will call you Bethany and we get to call you Jill.

It's also how we know who's full of shit. It does. It does help. It helps to know when somebody says, hey, Bethany, and I'm like, oh, you don't know me. Yes. How can I help you? If somebody calls me Joy, then I know they know me. Yeah. I don't know. I just think that's so cool. I never thought to use one. Hill, did you? So when we started doing the show, I never had this problem at MTV. I had this problem when we started doing the show is, you know, like the creepy message boards.

People started accusing me of making up my name because the spelling is like all wonky. And they were like, she's trying so hard to get attention by like changing. Like, clearly that's not her real name. And I remember like, you know, when you get mad about dumb stuff when you're a kid. It's not like your name was like Tiger. Well, that'd be cool. I mean, it would be cool. No, I'm named. You know how I got my name? I guess this is the story that I got.

My mother was like turbo pregnant. And if I was going to be a boy, I was going to be named after my dad. But she didn't have a girl name. And I guess she went to her brother's house and there was a golden retriever next door that was like yapping. And this woman comes out of the back door and is like, Hillary, Hillary, knock it off. You know, and my mom was like, cool. I mean, that's the story that I've gotten over the years. But a yappy golden retriever.

With an I-E. Hillary with an I-E. Yeah, you know, I thought about going as Hillary Ross. My middle name is Ross with one S. See, again, it was like a weird spelling thing. I like it. I don't know, guys. But no, I...

I don't know. Even now, you know, I'm Hillary Burton Morgan now and it just feels like so many syllables. I know. Bethany Joy Lines. It doesn't like, it's not like, Sarah Jessica Parker, it all rolls off your tongue. It made signing autographs significantly more work. I know. You should just do your initials. Yeah. HBM. The BM is a little, am I a BM, girls? What?

I'm such a 10-year-old about it. You're perfect. You're like, I don't know what that means. Oh, my God. If you just... I need you to do just once. Sign something Hillary poop. I'm Hillary number two. Number two.

I don't know. I love, I like the sound of your name with Jeff's name. It feels very complete. Dude, it feels like to me, Farrah Fawcett Majors. That's what I thought of when I added the Morgan on. I was like, yeah, I always wanted three names. Everybody else got three names. Got it. Chad and Joy got three names. I never thought to have a stage name.

And honestly, I kind of wish I did because people are so freaking creepy. Yeah. Like most people are nice, but the ones that are creepy are so deeply creepy. They like track down your parents. Yeah. And it's like, I really wish I had like a layer of protection, like even with silly things like, you know, certain verifications you need, like for your bank where you have to give them your mom's maiden name. I can't.

Yeah. I had to make something up. And I mean, this is obviously a thing we all share. Yeah. I don't know. It really irks me. Like, I am such a believer in, like, respect and boundaries. So when they get crossed, it, like, it makes me, like, not be able to sleep at night. And oof, it just, like, it really, like, affects my feelings. Yeah.

like, man, if I had a stage name, maybe I could have just had a whole space. Hold on. What would your stage name be? In a person.

world. What's your stage name? It's 1955. You go to the studio, you show up at 20th Century Fox or what was the big studio back then? I don't know. MGM. MGM. Fine. Fine. You go to MGM. Metro Golden Mayor. Metro Golden Mayor. And they've got the little window and you walk up to the window and there's a guy sitting there and he's got two things of index cards. One is first names. One is last names. And that's how they picked your name, by the way. Is that

really? Yep. You would just file through the thing and pick a card at random and pick another card at random. And there you go. Ava Gardner. No. Stop. That's it. Okay. So what will yours be? I was also today years old when I learned this. I can't believe it. We need, we need good stage names so that when we do our next series together. That's right. Here's mine. Eve Harling.

Oh, Harling. Harling. I love it. Eve is really good. I would take, there's all sorts of names I love the sound of, but man, let me tell you what, I would love to have not shared a last name with two former US presidents, especially because my dad is from Canada. Remember everybody thought you were related? Yeah.

It's so insane. And I still get people who like yell at me who were like, you know, you're, you're so progressive. Your family must be embarrassed. I'm like, my family's from Canada. And I don't know what you're talking about. Um, but so yeah, it would have been cool to not have had that. I would, I would have taken an index card of whatever. Yeah. I'll take anything you got. I always wanted to be someone really bitchy, like, like Andromeda Sykes, you know, like,

Like something kind of androgynous and just like, I'm hard. I'm a hard. I'm Andromeda. That's good. Yeah. Evil. Yeah, we like evil. Evil works. You know what I mean? Every movie needs an evil person. Oh, yeah, man. Like a name like Cruella de Vil. It's so good. So good. While we're talking about selecting things at random, should we spin the wheel? Oh, let's spin the wheel. That's a good segue, Joy. Okay.

Okay, what do we got? The winner is most likely to live with their mom as an adult. Well, okay, so character. Most likely to live with their mom as an adult. Wait, did Brooke live with Victoria? No. Did Victoria live with Brooke? I think Victoria lived with Brooke, maybe. She didn't live with me. I would have loved it, honestly. If I could have gotten more hilarious scenes, like with, you know, Daphne just juggling stuff at home.

I would have loved it. Yeah. Which character would live with their mom? Can I sign Brooke up to live with her mom now? Yeah. All right. Fine. Call dad. I'm into it. I think Keith would have, but not in the derogatory way that I think this is implying. I think he would have done that to care for. He seems like the most nurturing that would be the kind of person that would have stuck around. And actually Craig himself also would be the type of person that would do that. Yeah.

Yeah. Craig Keith. Winner, winner. Chicken dinner. Into it. Yeah. And in the sweetest way. And in a loving way. Yeah. Caretaking. Respect for your elders. I love it. Hey, do we know what happens in the next episode? What do we have to look forward to next week? Anything dangerous? Anybody else taking their pants off next episode?

I have to look at the rundown. What is it? Crash Course in Polite Conversations is the next episode. Are you guys at home watching along with us? I hope so. I hope so, too. It's fun to watch it week by week like we had to in 2003. Yes.

You know, that weekly anticipation. Because as I'm washing dishes before we tape these things, I'm like, man, I can't wait. I know. I can't wait. Yeah, I'm excited. And guys, we watch these right before we film our podcast. I mean, that's how we do it. It's not like, oh, watch it sometime this week. Like, we are sitting down watching them together and rolling right into taping for you. So I hope that you'll watch along with us. In fact, maybe we should do a live watch sometime soon.

Like an Instagram live watch right before we film our podcast or something. Let's do that. Well, we're going to practice our live events. And I'm really excited about the live event that we have coming up for OTH Day. I hope we get a ton of fan questions. Yeah. I think we should all coordinate our outfits. Oh, yeah. Right? Yeah. What are you guys wearing? I don't know what to wear. I don't either. I'm excited to see you in person, though. That's going to be really fun. Me too. So exciting.

Yeah. All right. So you guys get your tickets to that. Watch episode 12. So that way we're all on the same page next week. Bye, everybody. Bye. Thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also follow us on Instagram at DramaQueensOTH. Or email us at DramaQueens at iHeartRadio.com. See you next time. We're high school drama girl drama about them high school queens. Pride and our comic girl. Drama girl. Cheering for the right team. DramaQueens. DramaQueens. You could dream of more.

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