Tric or Treat • EP202
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Hey, you guys. Welcome back. We just watched episode two, Truth Doesn't Make a Noise. What a great episode. It's so good. I loved this episode. I loved this episode. Like, y'all, I really feel like this might be to date anyway. This is like a top.

Like, I don't know. Top five. Is this like a top two? Top five? Ooh, top two. Hey. I don't know. I'm a little hyperbolic. I get a little excited. You've got to rein me in. Well, listen, you're also... I'm in top ten territory for sure. Yeah. Listen, just to call it all out, Sophia's sick. Sophia and Joy have been traveling all over the freaking planet, working like crazy. I'm in the midst of two renovations. This is the highlight of my week when I get to just sit down for two hours with you guys.

It's so nice. But yeah, juggling all the things is a lot. So what are you juggling right now? Walk me through it. You were getting like blood drawn yesterday. Oh man, my morning yesterday was so crazy. We're doing this really big episode and it's so good. You know, it's like we're on episode five. So like, you guys know, season one, episode five, it's like all these things are happening.

And this incredible director, Kate Wood, is here with us. And she's amazing. And like she directs pilots all the time. And we couldn't believe we got her to come work on our show. We're so pumped. That's a good name. Kate Wood. She's fabulous. And she's from Australia. And she'll come into set and just be like, okay, darling. And I'm just like. It's Kate Wood. Say it again, Joy. Okay.

Kate Woods. Oh, yeah. You're good at that. I love it. You're really good at that. Yeah, she's like the kind of person who comes over to you and calls you darling and squeezes your shoulder and you're just like, stay with me.

But yeah, we were doing splits yesterday. So I went to work at 10 a.m. and had a Zoom with my, this is really fun, with my wedding planners and my sweet fiance. And I'm like riding to work, like combing out my wet hair, just being an animal. And these women are so sweet on the Zoom. And I'm like, hey guys, sorry. You know, I don't have like a bra on. I'm in the sweatpants I slept in. But how are you? Set the expectation.

Expectation real low. You want them to think you're a handful. Yeah, totally. And I get to set and because I've been sick, they've been trying to get me into the doctor, but I can't go to the doctor because we work all the time. And so this, a doctor sent a person, a phlebotomist. I love that word, by the way. I do too. It's so good. Doesn't that feel so good to say? I want to play a phlebotomist on TV. How about that? Phlebotomist. Yeah, I'm really into it. Maybe it's because I love Dexter so much.

I don't know. But this lovely person comes to like draw my blood. But I get into my trailer and I'm on the Zoom with the wedding players and I lay down because I'm like, if I sit up while you draw my blood, I'll faint. So I just lay down. Yeah.

The nurse like follows me to the ground, takes my blood. I'm still on the Zoom and everyone's just kind of like, what is your life? And then I went from the blood draw into the hair and makeup trailer to get ready and like run lines while, you know, finishing the Zoom. And I just was like, you know what?

This is what we do. We juggle. It's a lot. Yeah. We're in a circus. A hundred percent. We totally are. And I say that like, you know, with the caveat, and I know we all say this, it's like, it's organized chaos. It's insane. And it's delicious. And we love it. And we're all just like...

I don't know. I look around every day being up here and I'm just so grateful. The only thing I could ask for, the only thing more I would want is to get you two lunatics up here to play with me. Well, yeah. Yeah. Then I'd be like, I've won the lottery. Everything's good. Girl, I've got winter coats. We can come to Canada. We can just drive up from the fog. Wrap ourselves in Canada goose. We'll put Joy on a plane and we'll do it. Joy, you've

I'm down. Are you home for a little bit? Yep. What are you doing? I can't figure out what city you're in every day for the last three weeks. No, last time I saw you were in Nashville. It's been a lot. It's been a lot of traveling that was surprising for me because, you know, as it is in the circus, you never know when you're going to get called to get on a plane all of a sudden. Yeah. So, yeah, I got a job in Charleston on a great movie, a Miramax movie with Paul Bettany and Carmen Yogo and just a really amazing group of people. Yeah.

And it was a small group. It was a small cast and we were all kind of in one location the whole time. So it was nice. I wasn't just there for a couple scenes and then left. I really got to be there for four weeks and just get to know everybody and spend time and

It felt great. They were keeping it small because of COVID restrictions and just making sure everybody would stay safe. So did it feel really intimate? So that was a blast. It did. Yeah. We were all just kind of in a house for three weeks, three, four weeks. I love it. That's so cool. I also feel like I have to throw us all under the bus a little bit because as soon as you said Paul Bettany, we all leaned in. We all were like, fuck. I just...

I have to just be honest with our queendom fandom that we really all, we were like texting Joy being like, how is he? Is he so handsome? Is he so nice? You guys, Joy. He's all those things. One of the most embarrassing nights of my life was with Paul Bettany because we were doing Secret Life of Bees. What happened? Secret Life of Bees. He's playing my abusive husband. But like we had to shoot all this lovey dovey stuff before. Those scenes were so heartbreaking.

And we're like kissing on steps and it's all cute. And he's like such a gentleman, but also like really fun. And on the drive home that night, I'm just making small, small talk in the van and,

And we're driving on this old country road and our van driver hits a deer and just, it's like three o'clock in the morning and it's chaos and it's a nightmare. And I was pretty sure he was like, I'm never coming back to this place again. These people are insane. Oh my God.

but he's a gentleman. I didn't know you guys had worked together. I didn't put two and two together. That's why my eyes lit up. Cause he really is. He was so great. It's a movie that he actually co-wrote with a friend of his, uh, Dana Brown and, um,

And we had Mark Waters directing. And it was just so cool. It was a really cool group. The pictures that you showed us. And Carmen was awesome, too. I just love her. She's so creative. You look like a babe in this movie. Oh, my God. Your hair is so good in that movie. Super fun. Super fun. And then after, I mean, we loved Charleston. We had a great time. And then went to Nashville for a week to stay with some close friends. And also, I had some meetings with...

and write music, musicians and writers and just putting together this upcoming album that I'm planning. Did we see that you were hanging out with a friend of the show? Oh. Did you go see a friend of ours? A friend of ours. Wait, I sent you a photo, but my brain is dead right now. Jimmy. Jimmy Allen. Oh my gosh, Jimmy, Jimmy, yes. I had dinner with Jimmy. It was amazing. Sorry, I was thinking somebody from our cast. I was like, I don't think I saw anyone from our cast. They're tricking me right now.

Yes, I had dinner with Jimmy and his beautiful wife, Alexis, and their kids. And they were lovely. Had me and Maria over and ordered a feast. And we just sat and chatted. And it was really fun. He's really a big fan. I'm such a huge fan of his, too. It was super cool. It's been fun. I've been having a

couple of months, I have to say. All I'm doing is taking care of all the stuff that I didn't do for the last year. Like Jeff and I left the farm last October to go film The Walking Dead. And then we've just been on the road, you know, either in North Carolina or in Georgia. And so all this stuff accumulated here. And thankfully, we had really awesome people to, you know, take care of the animals. But there's just stuff that

Only you know how to do. And now I'm in the thick of major renovations. I've got really witchy wallpaper up in my kitchen now. And that's all I care about. I love that wallpaper. Ooh, I want to see it. Oh, wait, you showed it to us. Sometimes you just have to like stop what you're doing and take care of the nest so that you can then go out into the world and like do all the stuff. But yeah, we've got a ton of production stuff happening. And all I want to do is wallpaper. I stayed up till the same. That's how I feel.

That's how I feel. Literally, we've got this very, very ugly stone fireplace. It was not built by a stonemason. It was just like somebody was like, I'm going to put these rocks on a wall. And I concreted it last night. I stayed up till like midnight. I'm like, I'm sick of looking at this thing. I love that. We're so similar. I mean, that's how my kitchen started. I was like, I got a can of green paint from my garage and I started painting a cabinet. I was like, this will work. Yeah.

You know, a week and a half later, I'm still on the ground with a spray gun painting my cabinets. I love that. But it's great to be back. I go to New Jersey for a convention in a few days, so it'd be nice to go back home for a little while. And then I'm here for Christmas. So it's just that time of year when everything is so...

jam-packed and your email inbox is blowing up and your text messages are blowing up and we're having a Christmas party here and lots to plan for that. So it's just busy, busy. I got home from this like weird, crazy day at 4 a.m. I mean, I guess technically today. And

I was on Pinterest for an hour. I was like, this is how I'm going to align. We're monsters. I'm going to categorize. Oh man. Let's get into lustfactor.com. No, I want to bury it. No, I don't. I definitely don't. We have such good stuff with the party, but let's get into the CD aspect of, of this episode. Cause it actually was pretty funny. Um,

You know what I'm going to say? And Hillary, you said this early. You were like, you know, those people who've done great acting with killer scripts, like I dare you to do armadillo. You and I somehow, I think we deserve like a Girl Scout patch. You and I somehow made the creepiest storyline feel very cute between two friends. I dare Kate Winslet to do this. You know what I mean? Right.

to see. Come on, Jodie Foster. Impress me. Just try. You just take a picture of her ass for lust factor and make it look not assaulty. Did you have

take that photo for props. So here's what I tried to do is I tried to unsexy every element. If you notice, my posture in this episode is incredibly slouchy. And then when they had to take the ash shot, I tried to make my legs all not cute. Yeah, you did the giraffe stance. Yeah, I looked like Big Bird. It was a total giraffe. It's not cute. And then they're like, we're going to take this picture in the shower. And I'm like, I know how to make this ugly. I'm going to put this

If you fight sexy at every turn...

ultimately you'll end up with something adorable. It becomes cute. You know what I think you end up with is comedy. And well done on you. You're a smart cookie. Well, listen, let's talk about the dating scene, though, in Wilmington, because there was not a lustfactor.com. There wasn't one. We were all very available women for like five minutes. Hill, did you actually do a dating site? Okay, you did. It wasn't until later seasons. But...

i was single for like i don't know what some of season season all of season six for sure um yeah and my best friend tori who lived in raleigh so tori would like come and hang out with us all the time in town we decided to sign up for match.com on new year's eve and we were like let's just do it let's just do it together this is going to be fantastic

And so Wilmington was like a college town, but also like kind of a military town. And it was like it was an odd bag of dudes. Yeah.

You never knew what you were going to get. And I get on Match.com and every single dude I talk to is a pilot. And he happens to be flying out that night. And it's the only night he can see you. And he's going to be gone, but he just really wants to meet you that night. So I didn't really end up dating anybody from Match.com. However, I was living alone and

And the uncomfortable thing is that a number of my neighbors matched with me. And then they just like walk by the house. And on top of that, one of our crew members matched with me. It was very uncomfortable. You have to tell us. I'll tell you later. You guys, it was one of those where they're like, should we? And I'm like, definitely not. I mean, I feel like I need to paint a picture for our listeners. So bad. Of the dating scene in Wilmington.

Because it has mystified. In 2004. Yeah, in 2004, it has mystified a lot of people. They're like, why are you guys just kissing each other? And I'm like, you don't get it. You don't understand. People are always like, why was that show like such an actual high school? And I'm like, well,

Because Wilmington has two groups of people. There's all of the UNCW students who are 18 to 21. Yes. And we are now 21, but on television. So, you know, we're pretty exciting, I don't know, commodities to the college kids. So immediately we're like, we must avoid the college kids.

We got to avoid the colleges. But also kind of too old, too mature to date. Well, that's it. Guys that were in that 21 year old bracket in that college town because we had our shit together. We had our lives going. We had 401ks, guys. It's not like a normal 21 year old. Like we had jobs and we weren't like going to go to someone's, you know, Sigma Chi party. Although,

that would have been fun. No one invited me. That would have been fun. I'd have gone. You know what we should have done is before the show premiered, we should have crashed some frat parties. We really, we, we, we missed it. But as I digress, the other available quote, largest pool of men in Wilmington are retirees who live on golf courses. I'm telling you, you're not wrong down to date somebody's grandfather. So I was like,

you could have had it but yeah this is basically why we all just kissed each other I kept being like isn't there like a hot professor in town or you know like there was a hot professor in town and he was married to an equally hot academic and I was like well could we all have dinner and you could teach me about how you met I don't know there really was there was just a

a gap well lustfactor.com match.com yeah it could have it could have done wonders for all of us had it really existed i also don't understand how you uploaded polaroid pictures to the internet in 2000 what was that no i was uploading photos from the canon elf oh is that what your little phone was from the little power shot and then i put it in the card reader oh my gosh that was so fun watching that old technology it really was fun seeing all that it's so insane

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You guys, let's talk about that opening. Those shots were so beautiful. The like twisting shots, the upside down, the transitions of faces looking at each other in different places. I loved that. Yeah. Was this the first episode he directed? I don't know.

For those of you at home, Billy Dixon was our director of photography. And he had done Ally McNeil. He'd put a lot of lamps. A lot of lamps. He did a lot of great work. Sorry, I don't mean to reduce him to just the lamp. You can also blame art department for some of the lamps. You know what I mean? That's true. That's true. Team sport. No, Billy has an illustrious career. And yes, he's done a lot of great work. But this may have been the first time he directed, in

Sorry, behind the actual camera, not just setting up lighting and stuff. So I thought he did a great job. I love all the transitions. And he was so creative. Like the CD going into the case, going into the round basketball hoop. And that shot of Dan and Deb in the hospital room with the cityscape and he coming, shooting through the glass with the reflection. Really, really creative stuff. Wow.

But that's such a smart way for us to not be in an actual city, use a screen, like a printed screen, and just use the reflection of it in the glass because it makes it look totally real. And you don't have to travel to Raleigh or Charlotte to get that shot. You know, it's such a smart use of your stage. Yeah, you can build your hospital room on a stage and make it look like it's outside in a downtown area. And never leave the compound ever.

They never wanted to leave the compound. You know what stuck out to me, speaking of the tech that we thought was cool?

any of us ever texted like excellent X C L N T like you know or great like GR8 oh my god I was like Haley would never she's a tutor she would never that was definitely a grown up like how do the kids talk the kids joke like this and then I realized I think they did it to get the Bill joke when you call Lucas Bill and then you're like you know brother-in-law which I thought was so cute

There was something about that setting. That wasn't the parking lot we normally shot in. And they put like those big banners on the chain link fences and you could see kids playing like sports on the field. It felt like a high school. It felt like a real high school. This episode, scenes like that and the party episode, it gave me like...

All the cult classics of our time, like Can't Hardly Wait and what was the 10 Things I Hate About You and She's All That. Oh, yes. Oh, I loved it so much. This episode felt like that to me.

Well, and it also was big core five energy in this episode. That scene in the parking lot where it's the five of us, there were not a lot of scenes. I wish it would longer. I know, me too. That gave me like big time warm fuzzies to just see us all together and know that like we just come back from hiatus. This was episode two. Like we're still riding high on like everyone's still got a tan from the summer. Those scenes.

scenes felt really good to be together, you know, because we knew at that point that we were working on something that had collected an audience and that we were making a really fun episode. And we also knew that the Nathan and Haley bomb had dropped and was like blowing people's minds. And so it just was really fun to play into that. What was the feedback you got, Joy, as like the wedding stuff unfurled?

Well, I think it was still a lot of the same stuff we talked about before, which is what kind of an impact is this going to have on young people who are falling in love at that age. And that was still in the era of message boards as brutal. Like an IM's instant messages when the guy says, I am me sometime. Yeah.

So funny. But yeah, so there were message boards. And so I think that was sort of the chatter at the time. But I really...

I don't remember in terms of feedback of specifically Nathan and Haley being married young. I know it was a little hot topic in some magazine blurbs at the time, you know, things that were like, oh, things that are happening on big news in TV land and different things. But I do remember shooting the party scene because that was our first time at Trick. We got that building. Yeah.

And I didn't remember when we were watching the episode, I didn't remember that that came to be through Lucas and the scene with you guys. I had never seen that before. My jaw dropped. I loved that. I was so shocked. Yeah. How did we forget that? We were like, Lucas found trick? Like, what? Totally. I always thought it was Peyton. Yeah, me too. I thought it was Peyton too. I guess he gets credit. Thanks, Lucas. Well, you know what? In your defense, it's not trick yet. It's just a warehouse party. Yeah.

I would say that's true. It's probably your idea. It's a rave right now. Out of all of the sets that we filmed in, I have the strongest emotional connection to trick. And so it was really exciting to see it. Did you guys know that the trick building is in blue velvet? Really? Yeah.

Yeah, it's like a legendary spot in Wilmington. I just loved that building. I loved the parking lot. I loved that it was kind of seedy right there on the train tracks on the edge of town. There's a bar next to it now where my buddy Skyler works, Satellite. I love that bar. It's a hangout, man. And the fact that our convention friends, Friends with Benefit, do their conventions out of that space and we get to go back and visit their space

a lot. So awesome. It's so special. Walking up that inner stairwell, like when we did our last convention there, I was like, and like walking up there holding your hand, I was like, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. Like I felt like I should be back in that pink top

Oh my God. The best top ever. Yeah. Why didn't I keep that? You had great outfits in this episode. Yeah. I really liked it. The purple top. Yeah. You looked so cute. The party though, this party was so, I like, it's so retro. I want to throw another one of these parties, like do some sort of theme, Nathan and Haley. Their anniversary party. Anniversary party. Oh my gosh. You said that you remember that moment of walking up the stairs of that sense memory. I,

I do. I do. And I know that I have a million memories of walking up those stairs, but that one in particular, I don't necessarily remember all the details, but it's weird watching it. It's a convert, like my brain and...

The image that I'm seeing on screen and the feeling that I had in my body when I was in that were, you know, finally converge and connect. And so I remembered standing there with everybody shooting off their confetti, little mini handheld confetti cannons and silly string and seeing all those faces and the smell of the place. And yeah, I just remembered that moment. I could feel it again. It was really cool. Do you guys remember...

I don't know why we didn't just like tent the building, but for whatever reason, like when we would film there, it would be from like six o'clock at night to six o'clock in the morning. And we essentially had like slumber parties there and we'd leave trick as the sun was coming up and like going down those real rickety stairs, you know, six o'clock in the morning, that green room in the back, that green room off to the side with a couple of couches. And like, if you could get to that couch before anybody else did, you got to take a nap. Yeah.

Otherwise you were stuck with your cast chair. I just remember craft service being set up in the downstairs of trick and like it being freezing in there and drinking gallons and gallons of coffee in that place. Yeah. Yeah. What were your favorite sets? I mean, trick for sure. And then I will say, you know, I had such an attachment to,

to Karen's Cafe because Karen's became Clothes Over Bros. I loved the river court, but you never knew what you were going to get. And it wasn't easy to move around because of the gravel around the trailers and the mud and the mosquitoes and the cold. So I loved the location as a visually. I loved it. But you know what I did? Like I liked whenever we shot outside downtown walking around in the streets. I was just going to say that. Yeah.

And market. Like whenever we got to do stuff at those little shops or down by the water, I always loved that. And then we could always run into Edge of Urge. Well, that's it. During our lunch break, we just go to Edge of Urge.

We'd like go to Phoenix and get a hummus plate. I loved it. Oh my God. Phoenix. Caprice. Yes. Such a good time. I loved it. But you know, the thing that was great about Trick too is that you always kind of knew what you were going to get because they had, they figured, eventually they figured out the temperature situation. So they had AC pumping into the building on hot days and they had heat coming in on the cold days. Like season five. And even on,

Yeah. And on the cold days, actually, you pack enough people in there. You just shut the doors and you don't have to turn anything on. Everybody just body heat warms up the whole place. Wait, whose body heat were you absorbing, Joy? I was always cold. Wouldn't you like to do that? Yeah, I don't know. I guess trick was probably my favorite, too. I really enjoyed being there. We just we have such special memories there. And I don't know, like you were saying that that feeling of your memory and

It's like your memory comes out of the back of your head and your heart is swelling up. And it's like all right here. It's very emotional. Yeah. So good. I don't know. Seeing how it started is so sweet. We have to talk about the fake cough. Oh, God. Because trick begins there.

This amazing Brooke and Peyton joke and the callback to the fake cough at the party. That killed me, you guys. I loved it. We talked about how I really like a Brooke and Peyton two on one. And we do it throughout the course of the show. You know, we're yeah. Yeah. You clearly see the footing of this friendship. It's like, OK, like we're on one side. You're on the other. Lucas is definitely on the other side of this.

I, are you so out of his element with you too? And he's not even wearing real shoes. Um, I mean, the flip flops were killing me. Oh my God. But by the way, teasing chat about flip flops in real life, like, bro, you're on a film set. You got to wear real shoes. They drop shit all the time, you know? Um, but back then, like flip flops were cool. Remember everybody had like rainbows. Oh yeah.

Especially in a beach town. Oh, yeah. I remember those. Big deal. Huge. So I love that the only thing we could think of to get out of this letter burning conversation with Lucas was a fake call. Peyton's not a clever girl. No, but it, no, I know. I disagree. I love it. It's such a funny conversation.

It's such a classic comedic device. And you get, with no exposition, that it's a joke between the two of them. And it's so funny to me that it's like, that's the thing you did earlier with the fake cough? And then so Brooke uses it on Peyton at the end. You're just like, oh man, it just killed me. But how awkward. You know, it's like they call him the nameless one earlier in the episode. It's like Voldemort. Yeah.

Has he done? What's he done really that's that bad? I feel like he's apologized 300 times. How does he know that you didn't read the letter? Well, he doesn't know till the end, but like. Just because we're being so awkward about it.

I think he can just see that we're like, yeah, no, the letter was fine. And he's like, fine. No, but even asking the question in the first place, like, why would he know to like, what was it that was giving it away that he went? You guys didn't read the letter. We didn't cry joy. We didn't cry because his words moved our hearts. You guys want to talk about Deb and Dan? Oh man.

Wow. They are projecting. Oh, yeah. Big time. They are just projecting onto Nathan and Haley so much. And God, it breaks my heart. I guess Dan is too. For our listeners, when we watch the show together, we're all in different places and, you know, we all hit play at the same time. So if you miss something, it's kind of hard to be like, OK, everybody stop. Let me rewind. Let me watch it again. You just keep going. So I missed Nathan.

I don't know. My brain was distracted. What was the doctor saying about Dan? Why is he suddenly nice? What happened? He had a heart attack. I mean, it wasn't like some sort of brain. I feel like he was trying to say there's some something happened where now he's like, can't remember. He's got some kind of amnesia or he's got some kind of something.

It's teen drama doctor talk. Sophia plays a doctor on TV. Tell us. Let me tell you what the way I took it and I thought it was a little unclear as well, but I thought Deb was basically like, what is going on with him? And he was saying, well, his disposition is positive and, and,

whatever. And, you know, he was saying all these words you've never heard Dan Scott described as so much to the point that I can't remember what they were and I didn't put them on my notes, but basically saying like, he's empathetic and, and happy. And she's just like, what? Like, is this going to last? You know, everyone is like, did he have a stroke? Like we're very confused. That's sort of confused. And even that, but like now that hearing Whitey was like,

Trying to get Keith to go back and try and reconcile again. That was so out of character. I didn't understand that part. I don't understand. Why doesn't everybody just tell Dan to go screw himself and leave, leave everybody alone. I love feisty joy. Yeah. Joy is joy. You have had it up to your eyeballs with toxic relationships and you are like out in the world with a flamethrower. Just like, take it down. Get out. I love it.

you're so over it the dan of it all like we've seen dan drinking whiskey out of his glass in every episode ever and in this episode he's like eating hospital jello you know like i loved it every single choice was to kind of emasculate and um soften yeah yeah to like defang him

Yeah. Even seeing him in the hospital gown at the beginning we talked about was like a choice because he's really vulnerable and like, um,

I like seeing Dan on his heels, but I also know it's bullshit because the second Deb comes in and is crying, he's like, baby, we got this. You called it. Together. You called it. You said in the early part of the episode, you said he's giving me major Anakin Skywalker vibes before he goes dark. Huge. And then when he's holding Deb and he says, we'll get our son back.

I was like, I'm just hearing like, you know, he's Anakin Skywalker. Yeah, sure.

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There was some new chemistry there. New chemistry. Yeah. Maybe it was like, maybe it was the fact that Keith had allowed himself to really like, well, not that he's not slept with anybody else in the last 30 years, but I guess it was 15 years. Yeah. I don't know. But there was something about, it seemed like maybe pheromones. Leaving town. Yeah. Yeah.

Just taking a stand. Yeah. Suddenly he feels a little more free and he's not quite so puppy dog ish with Karen. That is much more appealing. And she, and I loved those shots again, Billy Dixon with the great directing of shooting Karen low beneath when you're over Keith's shoulder, looking down at Karen. And then when you're behind Karen shoulder, looking up at Keith and you can see the,

The height difference. That sort of tall, masculine vibe from him and that small, feminine vibe from her. It was just... It was a nice... It was a quick scene, but it was nice. It was flirty. Well, it was interesting. It was flirty. And it's a really interesting thing to be able to observe because you realize...

you know, they always made us all stand on Apple boxes. So it would be easy to shoot around like we were all the same height. And none of us are as tall as those boys. We actually had very tall boys on our show. That's rare. Very tall. Super rare for actors. It is really rare. Yeah. So there was something really interesting in that dynamic. I want to look little. I always look like Lurch. Yeah, I want to look little. Damn it.

Someone give the boy an apple box. Those Bambi eyes. It's just interesting because Keith, in a way, has set a boundary. You know, he finally established a boundary between him and Karen, and Karen sees him differently now. And then, speaking of boundaries and flamethrowers, Hayley sets a gauntlet of a boundary down with Deb, and I liked it. Do you remember filming that scene? I do, in a...

I do in a way. I don't remember exactly any of the behind the scenes stuff, but...

Yeah, I mean, I love that scene. I love that she's willing to be... extend an olive branch, be nice, be generous up to a point. But then she's fierce and defends her family. And I loved that about her. Joy, do you know what I remember about filming that scene? What? It was one of the first times I remember you saying, we need to have a conversation about this. Because...

You were upset that Nathan wasn't backing Haley up while we were filming. You were like, how come Nathan doesn't say like anything to his mother? And I remember thinking like, yes. You don't remember that? You were like, he's really just going to stand there and just like watch? That sounds like me. While his mother is like berating his new wife? Like that is gross. And I remember thinking, girl!

make us do all the work? Why do they do that? And I was so happy that you said that. And I don't know that you necessarily won that fight. And I think, you know, Haley looks strong in this episode standing up for herself. But I also really value that you were like, no, it's not on me to put your mother into her place. This is a you situation. So for all of you at home, you're right. Yeah. I remember that fight and I liked it.

I love that. It would have been nice, actually. And that could have easily been done. They could have shot a quick glance where I look at Nathan and he doesn't do anything. And then I'm like, OK. And then I jump in or and then they have a fight about it later. Or they could have shot a moment where Nathan starts to talk and I put just touch him with my hand. And I'm like, I'd like to address this. And then I handle it. But just something to where Nathan's not just standing there like a putz.

But, you know, they're teenagers. I mean, he is a boy. And we we said that during the episode, you know, Deb's like, he's not a man. He's a boy. Right. And that was probably the truest line for me in this little narrative, because as the mother of a boy, no one better touch him ever, ever, ever. No, ruin his life. You're going to ruin him.

I thought Barb was handling all that really well, by the way, because it was nice to see after how much we talked about in the first season, how much she had everything together and was handling everything. And it was starting to spin out toward the end of season one. But yeah,

She was such a beacon of a woman with her together in the first season. So to see everything kind of spinning out and really seeing all the cracks start to show, I really liked that. And I thought Barb as an actress handled that really well. It was nice to see that. Yeah. And it is really nice too. I do think that, um,

Her reaction grounds the experience and it also enables everyone else's joy. Like if everyone was just happy about it, it wouldn't have felt as real or high stakes, I think. And her being the character who struggled with it enabled...

you know, Haley's parents to then be these supporters. And oh my God, Huey Lewis giving that speech at the end about, you know, you can drive at 16, go to war at 18, drink at 21. And he goes on and on and on. You know, how old do you have to be before your love is real? And I was just like, oh, what a sweet dad. And, you know, if Deb hadn't have had a terrible reaction, then that wouldn't have happened.

Maybe it wouldn't have been necessary, but it might not have felt as meaningful either. I loved Bess Armstrong and Huey Lewis in this episode so much. Them snuggling with Haley on her bed when she comes home. Yeah. Great parenting advice. I loved the way that they cuddled and snuggled and were like, we are here for you, but also you chose this and you got to fly the coop. You're done with...

Being the baby now. We really see where Haley got her ability to set great boundaries, which I loved. And I just, they're so cool. They're like, those are the kind of parents I want to be. And by the way, Bess is someone who I've stayed in touch with and who I've had lunches and dinners with. And she is such a generous, kind, open-hearted, smart woman. Like,

Couldn't ask for a better TV mom. It's somebody you can just get advice from and who's been through a lot in her own life and has seen all angles of this business. And I just love her. We love you, Bess. Yeah, Bess, come on the show. Come give us some advice. Please join us. Please. We think you're a babe. They were great wish fulfillment parents. After seeing all these kids with either broken homes or no parents at all,

To see that and to be able to just kind of like feel warm in it

was so nice and it made the end of the episode really painful to know that it's not gonna stick around when they announce that they're leaving oh no it feels like a cheat it's like oh we just got this really comfortable sweater and now we have to take it back like I know um Huey Lewis by the way so I got this t-shirt in third grade a Huey Lewis in the news t-shirt it was the sports pages album

And I wore that thing till it was see-through. I mean, absolutely see-through. You did. And I brought it to set while we were filming this episode. And he's, I was like, I feel like such a nerd, but will you sign my t-shirt? I've had it since I was eight. And he was like, I'm going to teach you a trick real fast. And he, he somehow like,

the t-shirt so it would be like super flat and tight so he could sign it. And he's like, this is an old tour trick. And it was just such a cool thing to see him go back into like lead singer mode, you know, to like go from dad mode to like, I'm a rock star. So cool. He's a cool dude. Real fun. Man. Yeah. What a babe. What an amazing, amazing opportunities. Our job affords us these strange moments of with heroes. Yeah.

With heroes. Yes. It's really cool. Well, to see him do the fake ID, Brooke set up a good party. Let's talk about Brooke's party tricks. Walk us through them. They were sweet.

They were very sweet. Okay, what did we do? Elevator, the elevator thing. Oh, my God. I loved my first and favorite thing of the night, actually, was the board that Peyton did with Nathan and Haley's baby photos. That's super cute. Loved that. That just killed me. And there was something so sweet about having those photos on that board and then the big photos of the two of them from the wedding on the stage. And you sort of see the motion of a life, right?

Yeah. And these people and I just loved it. But yeah, Brooke's party tricks, Brooke and Peyton threw a good party. Let's let's actually clarify that. Peyton just made the mixtape, baby. You know what? We did good. We did good. But I loved like temporary tattoo stations with Naley forever. And I loved, you know, everyone make your elevator list. And then if you if you have it in common, this is what's so funny. There is no Brooke is like, again,

the men who wrote our show, wrote this episode where Brooke is essentially violating Peyton's consent. Oh my God. For the entire episode, taking these horrible pictures of her. The whole episode. It's such a terrible model. It's the worst. And then weirdly, models a really good consent rule for a hookup and is like, you're only allowed to hook up with someone if you each have each other on your list. And I was like, what is this? Like, we're in, we're out, we're in, we're out. What is this?

We were still figuring it out. Early 2000s were dicey, man. We were still figuring it out. Dicey. But you know, I will say, you want to kiss somebody in the elevator who wants to kiss you, I still stand by it. Have a good time. Hey, hey. The spin the body was actually really cute. Wait, level five, the level five elevator that would always get stuck was ground zero for lots of debauchery in town. Did you ever kiss anybody in that elevator? Really? Really?

I didn't know that. Oh, my God. That elevator would get stuck all the time. And you'd just be in there. It did. Honestly, I think the only person I ever got stuck in that elevator with was you. So that's a missed opportunity. God! Sophia, what could have been? Guys, it was a big freight elevator. It was the elevator that they brought all the equipment up on. So they would load all the camera equipment and the lights and everything up on this freight elevator and then buzz it up to the second floor. But I didn't know it was always...

Yeah, the trick elevator. No, Hillary's talking about the elevator at level five downtown where we'd go to see comedy. Oh, level five. Yeah, baby, we had five levels to get stuck. Oh, that elevator was really tiny. That was a scary elevator, but also apparently a sexy one. So...

Sex evader. I will say I did. I agree with you, Joy. I love spin the body. I think that's actually very cute. Yeah. So cute. And how cute is mouth? He's yes. Yes. No, no. Yes. Yes. He's so sweet. And everyone's telling everyone who their elevator list is. And he says, Brooke. And it's like, they love each other so much that it's just a cute moment with them. It doesn't make it weird. It doesn't make it sexy. It doesn't. No one's annoyed. I, I,

I just keep coming back to like, man, this episode feels carbonated. Like it's bubbly and alive. We had the River Court boys back. You know, I was just going to say that. Finally, we got Vaughn. We got skills. Vaughn ate spray cheese off of Antoine's shoulder. I was like, that's the best thing anyone's ever done on our show. Yeah, it was brilliant.

Yeah, they add so much to it. And to see all like the basketball players at the party, to see our cheerleading friends dancing, like Bevan being totally better. Bevan and Daniela. She's a good dancer. She's a good party girl, Bev. Yeah, I think she's still got it too. So this anniversary party is going to be freaking off the chain. Whitey showing up at the party was very sweet. And bringing a baby gift, which...

So inappropriate. Oh, my God. Honestly, no, I was like, see, look, it's not just Brooke who thinks. Well, but by the way, you did a very good job of when you realize that Joy's really not pregnant. Haley's not pregnant of kind of that realization like, oh, people actually just love each other and don't get, you know, sideswiped into situations. That's crazy. Yeah, really nice moment. I loved that moment between us. Yeah, because Haley's...

Haley's trying to like make something make sense to Brooke. And Brooke is realizing that there doesn't have to be a device or a gimmick. And she's never had that modeled for her. And that's certainly not, you know, what she went through with Lucas and Peyton and that letter that they wrote. And so it's such a short scene between us, but it's really, really touching. You guys were both really good at this, um,

Keeping the, there was always, no matter what was going on, you know, with Peyton, it was the tough, hard, wry exterior. With Brooke, it was the bubbly excitement, pushing the buttons exterior. But you always kept the fragility of the little girl and what these, even as you were women and when we jumped ahead four years, both of you are always really good at being able to switch those moments from,

whatever the facade was into the real vulnerability um and i think that's one of the things that made your character so interesting that that you just never knew at any moment that fragility could pop up to the surface oh joy you're good at that too thank you yeah you are okay your lone tear in this episode during huey lewis's toast was like the killer that was the killer but don't you guys

feel like that in real life? Like, honestly, I don't know. I was just thinking that. I've got an 11-year-old son and I have been having all these conversations with him and there are some times where I feel like we're the same age. Do you know what I mean? Like on the inside, I still feel like I'm a middle schooler. And so... I do too. That little girl thing still pops up in real life. Yeah, I mean, I think that's the reality. Yeah.

for so many of us is, you know, you get older and you start to learn like what, what all the sort of teenagers and younger versions of yourself that you still carry are. And you're like, Oh wow. I kind of, I have to parent all these versions of myself so I can be an adult. And so I can be a real parent. And so, you know, the list goes on and yeah, I feel that I still sometimes sit and go, Oh,

Into that young girl who goes, is it me? Am I the one who's not supposed to be here? Am I in trouble? Like, ugh.

And I do. I think that's that, I don't know, that piece of us that maybe we carry forever. Well, the secret of the universe is that the grownups don't know the answers. And Karen says that. Karen says, I have no roadmap for you, Lucas. I love that. I love that moment. I'm figuring it out myself. And I think that's where I'm at in my life right now. I'm just like, there's no map. What are we doing? Nope.

I mean, we have all these paths of people who have gone before us where you find patterns where you're like, okay, eventually A plus B plus C is going to equal X. And so we know that pretty much no matter who you are, where you are in life, if you go down these roads, it's not going to lead to something great. Or if you go down these other roads, this is the pattern of success for a lot of other people. Hugs, not drugs is what you're saying. Yeah.

Hey, you know what? That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Just say no. Yeah. But, um, unless it's mushrooms, but we'll get back to that later. Uh,

You're welcome. But, yeah, you know, there is no roadmap for you. No. I mean, there's a general sense of, like, here's the direction. If you go east, you're going to go east. But there's no specific, like, we're all just fucking figuring it out. We've got a compass. It's a compass, not a map. There you go. Yeah, I like that.

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Do we want to answer some questions? Yeah, actually, I love this. Tiana asked, and this does feel incredibly appropriate given today's chat, would you react more like Dan and Deb or like Haley's parents if your child told you they wanted to get married at a young age? This is my worst nightmare. Yeah. Which kid? Unless I really liked the kid. Yeah, which one of my kids? Which kid? Which kid?

Because here's the deal. If someone thinks they can handle my daughter, congratulations. Like...

I tell everybody, I'm like, she is the greatest weapon I've ever created in my life. Like, she is payback for everything because she is so strong and so ferocious. So if someone thinks they can handle George Morgan, good luck. Hey. Yeah. Yeah, I would definitely be best in that situation. But I totally understand Deb. A hundred percent. Like, yeah, my son is such a sensitive animal. And I'm sure she had those moments with Nathan when he was a little boy. Yeah.

You know, and that's what she's she's not seeing older Nathan. She's seeing baby Nathan, the kid she was looking at in that picture. Of course. Yeah. I mean, I think about that like the first thing that comes to mind is anxiety. And the second thing that comes to mind is me thinking, well, your prefrontal cortex isn't done developing till you're 26. So no. No.

You have to wait until you're at least 26. Take it from those of us who were idiots in our early 20s. Just wait until you're 26. Like, come on. What do you want, a ring? I got a ring. You can have this ring. What do you want? Like, I'll send you somewhere on a trip. I don't know. You know, it gives me a lot of anxiety. But then, and I think I told this story last week. Like, I look at my sweet cousin and she's blissfully happy. And, you know, they got married in their early 20s. So...

I know is that I don't know. Joy, when Maria comes... I mean, when you look at Romeo and Juliet, I mean...

you know, their parents were, were totally disapproving and they did teenagers do what they want to do. They find a way. So I think that's where it comes into knowing your kid and knowing what your limits are with their independence and where, you know, at what point do you know that they are going to need an ally more than they need your strong word or your discipline? So I think I, I mean, my knowing my kid, I probably would come in

Real strong, but just to like to be really clear about how I feel. But then I would also have to come around because...

I don't want her like just running off and disappear. You know, at the end of the day, if she's going to choose what she's going to choose, she's going to need my help. She's going to need me to be an ally for her as things progress. Can we just make like a pact right now that if that happens to any of us, like we just run to Joy's house and let her make us a very stiff drink or like if it's you, we'll just run to you and just bring all the liquor. Yeah.

You're in charge. I'm into it. Bring it all. Alicia asks, how did you prepare for the scenes where you had to show emotion and cry? And also, does it take a while to come out of the deep emotion afterwards? You guys have anything to say? I mean, I don't, I just, I just cry. I don't know. It's kind of what we were talking about before, where the fragility of life and the things that, the groundedness of the things that you experience.

feel the weight of as a human throughout your day or your life that you just carry those with you. And, um, that's the gift of a storyteller. I guess we're able to access those points and release them, uh,

Upon command, generally. Well, yeah, Sophia and I are both cancers. We cry all the time. You know, cancers are just like super emotional people. I didn't think that my body was keeping score of all the crying that I was doing on one tree hill. And Cheryl Lee, who plays Ellie later in the show, warned me about this. She was like, you're really. Yes. She was like, your brain knows that it's bullshit.

Your body doesn't. And she's like, and you're doing all sorts of crazy stuff on this show, you know, and we hadn't even hit peak crazy yet. And yeah, it's like my body, my sense memories of being on the show is our trauma because there was just like tears and tears and tears. And, you know, your body releases chemicals. Your brain releases chemicals when you're going through all of that. So I tried to counter it by being super fun party girl outside of work.

I think I was just really tired all the time. You can only stay up till two in the morning so many nights in a row before all the, all it catches up. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. It is a really interesting thing to understand the, the kind of physiology of your body and the toll that this work takes, you know, people think being an actor is glamorous and it's, it's a lot of physical work and oftentimes a lot of emotional torture. And we love it because we love to tell stories. I mean, you said it, Joy, we, we are storytellers. It, it is, it is who we are. You, you are, or you're not. And, and for me, I,

I think, you know, when I was younger and had a lot more anxiety about being able to perform on command, being a good girl, doing the good job, that would be the thing that would kind of impede me. So I would try to take time. I like to make playlists for different projects. And I'd try to, like, get away from the noise, you know, the joking on set, like, put some headphones in, like, be in a space where

And it's interesting because I think as I've gotten older and been to more therapy and unpacked just more things and given myself more permission to feel how I feel rather than how I think everyone else in the room expects me to feel or behave all the time. It's much easier to let caveat with good writing, to let the writing take me to the place where

Because good writing, you have, to your point, you know, whether it's cancerian or just it comes from empathy, you have a response to it because it feels really grounded in something real. And yeah, I think...

The thing I'm still trying to figure out is, is how do you process the after effects? How do you get that stuff out of your body? You know, animals in the wild go through trauma and then they lay on the ground and they shake really violently for like 10 or 15 minutes and then they get up and they hop or run away. Oh, that's an option. Yeah. Like humans don't do that. So how do we get it out of us?

I think this is probably why I was like the healthiest when I was also like dancing regularly when I was in the classes and stuff. But, you know, like on my last job, to your point, Hillary, like I was in Peyton world. It was like trauma, sadness, death, murder, violence, crying all the time. Yeah. And I couldn't.

I couldn't talk to people. I couldn't be touched by strangers. Somebody grabbed me once on the street, like grabbed me by the back of the arm. Not meaning to be creepy, but like I turned around and elbowed a guy almost in the face. Like it was such a knee-jerk reaction. Did he still want a picture? Yeah.

And he was like, oh, God, I'm so sorry. I mean, he was at least a wise enough person to be like, I really shouldn't have done that. But it took me a long time to get that stuff out of my body. And so, yeah, I don't know. I'm like listeners at home. Do you have any any tips for movement medicine for us gals? Anything we can share with the rest of the audience? We're just going to have to dance it off.

Honestly, that I'm ready for. Dance it off, baby. We're going to Joy's. We're bringing the booze. We're having a dance. Whether any of our children want to get married early or not.

Yeah, well, I think that's why we appreciate these kinds of episodes where there is a lot of joy. Like we're having like a ton of fun in these episodes because we know we know that they were pleasant to film. Yeah, we had a good time. So thanks for those questions. Great. Y'all want to spin a wheel? Thanks, guys. I think we should. Where's that wheel? Come on now. Most likely to get it. What do we got?

Ooh. Ooh. Move to a foreign country. Who's most likely to move to a foreign country? Well, Karen moved to Italy. And then didn't she go to Australia? Yeah, with Karen, yeah. Yeah, with Karen. With Karen. Andy. What was his name? Andy. Hot Andy. Yeah, yeah. Hot Andy. Do that accent again, Joy.

On my Australian accent? Well. It's not, no, I can't do it when I'm, hold on, I'm doing British. No, it's so easy to go into British when you're trying. I know, I've got a sour cream. You go to get some coffee in the sour cream and, you know, I've got these Christmas cookies, but you can't really enjoy Christmas in the heat, can you? Oh, my God. Maybe you can. I've never been to Australia in the summer, in the winter, in the winter. That's a sexy accent, Joy. It's not very good. It's not right. No, I'd still kiss you. I like it. It's really close. I like it a lot. Joy, I would.

Well, I would say you're the person in real life who would move to a foreign, like I can see you going to live in Austria. Yeah. You know, going to live in France, like wherever. You were learning Italian, weren't you? French. I was learning. I know a little Italian, but yeah, I love languages and I love just different cultures. I'm so interested in the way other people live and how they interact with each other and the earth and

Spirituality and food and wine. I almost didn't come back from Italy this summer. I was like, I don't think I need to go. I think I should just stay. But you had the most magical trip ever. Like you had like a fairy tale. It was great. But it's like, you know, so much of my family's there. And I was just like, I don't know, man. Maybe we should just do this. Maybe I'll like make cheese. If there's a soap opera in Italy that wants to hire the three of us. Oh, yeah.

Oh, my God. I would love it. Call us. Let's go. Yeah. I just want to wear cool outfits and all black and, you know. Somebody send us on a European tour. Yeah, I want to drink coffee all day and wine all night and eat pasta.

You guys, this was a fun episode. I love your faces. So if I want you to go to sleep and get some rest. Love you too. I'm going to get in my bed. I want you to enjoy being home. Yeah. Yeah, I'm so happy to be home. You know who's coming over today who I've never met before? Who? Kimbra. What? Oh, she's such a big singer. She's the best. Please give her a hug for me. Yeah, I mean, I don't know her, but you can hug her for me too. Oh, I've known her for a long time. She's an angel and a hero.

You have? Yeah, for years. Yeah, we, God, I think we met the summer I turned 30. She's the best. She's really good friends with Kenny. Oh, who directed our music video. Yeah, he directed our video. One of my best, best friends. And she is a huge One Tree Hill fan.

Sweet. That's so cool. I love that. She's brilliant. I mean, I've been a huge fan of her music for many, many years. She is a savant. Many years. Like a true genius. Truly a genius. Oh, I'm so excited about this. Please write us a song. Yeah. Do it. She needs to finish our theme song. That's what she got. She's the perfect person, actually. All right. That's how we're going to kick off the new year. Well, we hope everybody's getting ready for the holiday season and having fun.

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