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You guys, this is a conversation that Sophia and I personally have been looking forward to for years. We've got Joy on the spot now. Confess.
Confessing her former feelings for our very handsome guest, Craig Sheffer. Oh, Craig. Hey, Craig, Joy has a question for you. And we're all dying to know the answer. Do it, Joy. Do it. Ask him, ask him, ask him. Craig, do you remember you and me sitting at Deluxe with Paul when Paul, you know, I had a massive crush on you for the first like four or five years of the show. Oh, yes.
At you, did you know that you had to have known this? I heard something, but I was like, Oh, you sweet. Did you know at the time? Actually, joy, joy. I, I, I didn't know how to handle it. You actually left me a letter on my doorstep. No, I didn't. Yes, you did. No, wait, wait. No, I didn't. You left me a letter on my doorstep at the beach. Like,
let's go to a lovely afternoon on the beach and stuff like that. I'm so embarrassed. No, you're not. You're like, you're a child. I was paralyzed. I was like, she's just a baby. I don't know what to do. Oh my God. Craig, you good guy. Pretending you never left us.
I forgot. Terrible. I must have blocked it out. You're such a good guy because any other dude would have been like, ooh, a 21-year-old. Give me some. Oh, you're such a good dude. What a great guy. Well, that was the thing. We were sitting at dinner with Paul and Paul goes, hey, Craig, you know, Joy's been in love with you for like four years.
And I'm just, it was like, you know, I mean, I was a kid, so I hadn't been, you know, I hadn't had anybody just do that to me. It felt like high school. Somebody just outed you with your secrets. Oh my God. And you were so sweet. It's so strange too, because Paul's usually so subtle, you know? Oh my God.
Oh, God. I'm sweating for you guys right now. I'm so sweaty. I'm like, I'm, I'm, I'm sweaty. I'm not sweating. I'm sweating out of my eyeballs right now. I don't know what's happening. Oh, well, you handled it all with such grace. And it's just all the more testament to what an awesome guy you are. We just, well, we always, we had a great connection talking about poetry and writing and all that stuff. Did
'cause you were like me and you were all into that. So I think that's really what it was about. We used to sit on set and always talk about your writing and I was writing and- - Well, you're such an attractive personality. You're so interested in other people. You're so interested in learning and you're a curious person.
And, you know, you really, I think that's what makes you such a great actor too. And you brought, oh, that's why we fell in love with Keith as well. We loved this guy who is so compassionate and so interested. You know, Keith was a great listener and he was everybody's best friend, you know? And you brought that sense of yourself. It's so interesting for us to watch the show now and look back. Hilary, you said it.
Craig's a romantic. Yes. You make things, you create, you write poetry, you lean into, you know, the essence under the words. And none of us, you know, we were all 21-year-old ding-dongs. And like, we were in the era of Tiger Beat when all the boys were idiots. And here you were, like, talking about poems. And you were like velvet in a person. And we were so...
Just enamored by you. And it's fun to see that the way we all kind of looked at you like, wow, he's a he's a grown up. We see him. We see all that in Keith. And it's I mean, we just love him. We love to watch you. This episode was so gorgeous for for that romance that you put in here with my zoom. All right.
I am so like old man with technology. I was trying to find the show lesson. I can't find it. What do you remember from it, though? Like, what do you remember from originally getting the script of the pilot and coming aboard this ship? The original? Yeah. Ravens.
Oh, oh, I just really, well, first of all, I really liked the character, you know? I liked the mentor aspect of him and the relationship with the brother and the whole, I don't know what Shakespearean feel to it. You know what I mean? Yeah. And yeah,
Yeah, I just, I don't know. I just, I was really looking forward to it because I'd never done television to that point. Before that, it was just movie, movie, movies and things started to slow down and well,
At that time was when I was doing a lot of direct to... What do you call it? Direct to video stuff was happening. Yeah. Yeah. So this was an opportunity to do something that was going to get seen more because for about four years before that, things were getting a little slow. Well, also, that's when reality TV really took over like 50% of programming. Oh, that's very true. That's right, Hill. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So I just...
It was a new adventure and it was really great to be down there. Yeah. Had you been to Wilmington before? Yeah, I had done, um,
I'd done a movie with my daughter's mom called The Grave with Josh Charles and Eric Roberts. Oh, Eric Roberts. Love Eric Roberts. Donald O. Oh, my God. I love him. Craig, you beat my husband out for the role of Uncle Keith. No way. Yeah.
Yes way. Literally when we met, he was like, I auditioned for that show. And I'm like, what? What are you talking about? Obviously, they weren't going for looks. Whatever. Are you kidding me? He's a good looking guy. He's cool. Everyone wanted to be Uncle Keith because that was like the sexiest part. It was like the cool guy. And you brought so much of your own style to it.
um one of my favorite stories you've ever ever ever told me is about andy warhol discovering you oh my god i i need you to tell people this story because i just watched the andy warhol documentary and i'm like where's craig okay was i in it i haven't seen the whole thing yet i only watched the first episode since i since i told you that okay so i'll tell the story very quickly
Yes, please. I'm 23 years old. I've just gotten my first role on Broadway. Literally like the day before, two days before. So I'm at my last day working at Cafe Shasha in the West Village. Like, I was like, I'm done with work. I'm not going to work. I never did work again after that. Fabulous. I'm leaving work. I'm walking down the street. I've got my shirt open, you know, just trucking home. Yeah. And...
and my jeans on and this limousine kind of slowly pulls by me and the windows crack down i'm like and i see top of the head looking out and i'm like that was a little weird and then i walk down a little further now comes back the other way and circles again i'm like somebody's stalking me anyway limousine pulls up and this guy gets out a younger guy and he comes up and goes hi uh
Andy Warhol's in that limousine. He wants to shoot you. I'm like, Andy, I said, is that the Campbell Soup guy? Like, that was really nice.
That's all I knew about him. Like I was just this shithead from Pennsylvania that moved up to New York and gradually grew some culture in my, you know, in my soul. But anyway, so I go over to the window and he's like, you know, I'd really like to shoot you. And I was like, okay. He's like, yeah, for me, 300 bucks. And, and so I'm like,
So I called my agent. I was like, this guy, Andy Warhol, wants to take your picture. Go do it, man. What are you kidding me? And blah, blah, blah. Make sure you get a copy. And I was like, OK. Anyway, so I go up to the studio and I have lunch in the factory around this big table with these other people, strange people. They were just strange. Everybody in there, everything about them was strange.
And he says, well, you ready to do the pictures? Yeah, we go in the back and he's like, well, how many clothes can you take off? And I was like, wait a minute. And I was like, he said, well, can you take your shirt off? And I was like, sure. Anyway, so he had American flag on the back wall and
He took, you know, did a photo shoot, did a bunch of pictures of me. And, and, and that was it. One thing, he was really nice. He invited me to all the parties that they had, you know, after that, which was kind of cool. It was like all kinds of big stars like Bowie and got to hang out with people like that. And, and anyway, so here's the, the end of it or the,
So my daughter, my daughter's a brother and sister who are my godchildren. The girl like calls my daughter and goes, oh, my God. They call me Chango, which is monkey in Spanish. And they're like, Chango. They're like, you just saw Chango. They're selling one of his pictures for like $15,000. What? On Kristen's website.
What? I had never seen the pictures. No. I never went to see them or anything like that. So, yeah. So the picture...
Is it online? Yeah. If you look up Andy Warhol, there's a picture. Oh, my God. The picture they shot of me, they sold it on Christie's, and I guess it's supposed to come out from a book called Boys of Stoner. No way. Craig, when you told me this story like 15, 20 years ago, you were like, never seen the picture. Can't find it. Yeah. I have no idea what it looks like. We have to post this on our social media. I'm beside myself. I'll send it to you if you want. I'm looking for,
it right now. I'm trying to type it in. Oh my god, Craig, you're gorgeous. Okay, hold on. Oh my god. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm putting it in the chat. I'm sending the link right now. Oh wait a minute, you see already? Yes,
I'm staring at you. Oh, my God, Craig. Oh, my God. These are crazy. Yes, this is why you pull over your limousine. This is 100%. Wow. 100%. Wait, you know what's crazy also is I never thought you and Paul really looked like brothers, but this photo, the close-up of you with your chin down, you guys have a very similar look, too. Oh, that's interesting. Oh, my God.
Oh, my God. I'm so into it. Crazy, Craig. Wow. Craig, I'm proud of you, and I love that. Oh, my Christ. Oh, there's a bunch. Craig. What? Absolute smoke show. I only ever saw one. Oh, my God. You holding this barbell? Look at your traps. What? I'm not. Are you kidding me? Dude, hold on. No, Craig, you need to do a Google search on yourself. I'm pasting. I have to figure that out.
We'll show you how. We'll do it for you. Yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. I love these stories, though, because, Craig, you never told a story about, like, big, huge, famous people in any kind of jaded manner. You were every bit as excited as, like, we were as 21-year-olds, you know? Like, you never let the business kind of, I don't know, eat you. Harden you. Yeah. Yeah.
I think that's, you know, blue collar roots, good family. They would put up with that, you know? Yeah. Kind of in my soul. Kind of like them. That's nice. Part of what made you perfect for Keith. Well, and perfect for every single woman on our show because your track record on this show is extraordinary with the Karen of it all, the Deb of it all, the Jules of it all. Yeah.
Your chemistry with all the women is bananas. Is that just a gif? Yeah, I really enjoy it. What a great group of people. Really, we had so much fun together. Moira felt like, you know, my wife. And Barbara was a lovely little dessert. What a flirt, that Barbara. I am really curious, you know, because you guys were such...
good friends to us as young women on our first show. But, you know, to the point of what we're talking about, some of you had histories together. Some of you were there with your kids. What
What was that sort of camaraderie among the grownups like for you with you and Moira, Paul and Barbara? What did that life look like? Because, you know, we know how weird it was for ourselves to have to uproot our lives, leave college, leave jobs, move to North Carolina. What was it like for you with, you know, family? To me, it was great. I think one of the things like with Moira is,
You know, you guys have had this last 20 years of, you know, your brand of stardom and the different roads you've traveled. And Moira and I kind of always traveled around each other. We were always kind of both doing all these, you know, big movies and stuff like that. And then both of us were on TV for the first time. And I think also being sequestered in a place like we were,
And the outside world, your normal outside world isn't there. You kind of bond because that's where you are and what you have. And you're in a new world. And I think that displacement kind of makes for new friendships. I want to know about when Keith died.
spoiler alert when keith died um did you did you know in advance did they did they come and talk to you ahead of time or did you just get the script and you were like oh i guess this is happening now like what what was that like it was actually uh really uh
extremely disappointing because I had just made a movie and and uh financed myself for like a million dollars and um Mark Schwann had told me that that because they had left me go for the last six shows the season before and I was like are you gonna cut me you know he came to dinner and tell me said no no no as long as this show's run you're you're gonna be on it you know you're my you're the character I based on my brother so you know all this stuff
And literally the guy didn't call me until like I was talking to Paul and he's like, dude, I'm leaving in three days. I go, what? You know, to go back to the show. And it was the next day I was out golfing. The phone rings. It's Mark Swan. He goes, oh, I got some really exciting news for you. It's going to be the best season ever. And I said, well, yeah, I was wondering when you're going to like, I didn't even get a call. So I didn't know what was going on. And I had my agent call yesterday. Nobody returned his call. And he goes, yeah, it was good news and bad news. You know, um,
It's a great tells me about this great thing. And then he goes, and then Paul shoots you. And I go, okay, so I'm dead. Does that mean I don't get paid anymore? Yeah. It was like, yeah. And I was like, hold me. Yeah. All the rigmarole. Yeah. It was like, it was pretty cheap. Not that it was a cheesy, but just the way it was handled. You don't call me and talk to me about it. No, it's not. Okay. That's just kind of the worst example of.
People in power in our industry treating us, the ones who move and change their lives for their shows, like they treat us like we're supply rather than people. Disposable. I'm really sorry. I'm really sorry that happened to you. Like three days a week. And I was like, guys, can you, because Willow was with me at the first two years. Yeah. Homeschooler and all that. And then after that, I was like, can you maybe just give me every other Friday off so I can fly home? And they were just such,
Yeah. Maybe we have said it on this show. We're like, oh, you can say whatever you want. You can say what? Because honestly, we didn't Craig. We didn't know it was most of our like first pretty big jobs. And so we didn't know how toxic it was until I went and I worked on white collar and they were lovely. They're like, oh, you want to see your child? Fantastic. You haven't seen your husband in three weeks. Fantastic. We'll figure this out. And I was like,
Oh, there's a different way. It's not that hard. And we do know that product schedules can get crazy. But for simple things, it was just like, it was so about control. As a matter of fact, I had really...
I showed up as this character. I had a teeny bit of facial hair. I wore my boots outside my pants like I always did. I love it. We talk about your boots all the time. They threatened to fire me about my boots. I was like, look, I'm just going to leave my boots and my pants. I wear my bandana. I've been doing it for the first three, four weeks. We don't want that anymore. We want your hair combed back and we want you shaved and we want this. And literally got to the point where they're calling my agent and going, well, if this power struggle is going to continue, we're just going to get rid of him.
Oh my God. Psychos. That kind of stuff where they break down your soul, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And it's only a power struggle because they're creating totally unreasonable, a totally unreasonable bar for anybody to reach. And non-collaborative control. Yeah. Non-collaborative control and something that feels important is like,
To acknowledge, look, you hired each of us because of what we brought to a character. Right. If you take that away. That's 101. If you take it away, what are we doing? And there's so little acknowledgement given to the uprooting, the moving, the pulling your daughter out of school, having to put her in a new place, the leaving your entire family behind, the being on this crazy schedule. We love what we do, so we do it.
but you literally are not. You're going to kill our creativity. Yeah, you're not in control of anything in your entire life. What time you wake up, what time you go to bed. Nothing except for your creativity. And for somebody to say, we hired you for your creativity and now we want to step on it. You just go like, what's happening here? Yeah, why am I here? It was crazy. It was ridiculous. That's wild. Did you guys have the same control? Oh,
If we brushed our hair in the wrong direction, we were like threatened with being fired. My last season they called, they were like, your hair's too red. And I was like, I'm gone. I'm a ghost. It doesn't matter anymore. I love that. Yeah. No, it was, it was crazy. I remember our, our, our Voldemort. I'd gone to do a movie in the summer between seasons two and three and
And I, Hillary knows we talked all about it. Cause they're our favorite kind of girls. I was playing this like super goth chick in New Orleans and I cut bangs and I dyed my hair jet black and like the character had tattoos, super fun. So obviously I dyed my hair back to like the Brooke Davis Brown when I come home and
And Mark lost his mind on me. My bangs were growing out. It was like a cute little side, like little part moment. We all loved it. Joy, I remember you being like, oh my God, you're so cute with bangs. Like we were excited. And you know what he said to me? A grown man who was my boss, I was 22, 23. I can't do math. He goes, who the told you you could cut bangs? You know who had bangs? All the fucking cheerleaders in high school who never wanted to have sex with me. And I was like, what's?
What's happening? Yeah. Is this what I'm getting yelled at for? Like Craig, it was so controlling and gross and misogynistic and creepy for us. You know, he'd yell at Hillary and I, if we put our hair in ponytails during cheer practice, like it,
Well, that was one of the reasons also why they were trying to figure out if they could write me off the show too. Because Joy didn't want to do the blocking that every single, you know, if the director showed up and they said, okay, we would sometimes show up to rehearsal and it would be a blocking. It would be supposed to be a blocking rehearsal, but they would have it already lit and they would already have decided where you're going to walk. And it was just like, we're just going to do a run through and then just say your lines. We're going to roll. Okay, come to set, camera ready. And I'd show up and I'd be like,
I appreciate that everybody's trying to move fast, but I don't want to walk across the room because it doesn't make any sense for my character. She has to stay grounded right where she is. If she goes to that part of the room, it implies that she's going further into the house when all she wants to do is run out the door. You know what I mean? Like it doesn't make sense. And then they're like, we're already lit there. At least give us a chance to discuss it with you. Yes. You get, you get to make the final decision and all that, but,
You're not even regarding our creativity or our art. Exactly. If you've got a good reason, like, let's talk about it for sure. Yeah, exactly. But it's the difference between discussion and order. Like when someone orders you to do something versus says, hey, I have this idea. What's your idea? Let's meet at an idea. Yeah.
It's a control versus a collaboration. And I think as we're having this moment in society where we're talking about the way we treat each other, like what I love about us and the thing we formulated back then that we've held on to is we really like to collaborate with each other. And we don't like it when anybody's getting controlled, whether it's us or anybody out there in the world. And that's...
that's the kind of stirring I'm here for. So the point is that I love us and I,
I have to say, Craig, and I think I can speak for all of us. It's kind of mind blowing to know we we thought we got a lot of this because we were young women. We had no idea they were doing this to you, too. Literally no clue to us. You know, you you came in like royalty on our show and to the network and people always I don't know if you know this, but people were like, can you believe we got Craig Schaeffer? It was why I signed on to the show.
You and Moira were why I signed on. They talked about how we got you and Moira so much. So it's like, I'm shocked, but knowing who they were, I'm not surprised they were terrible to you, but I'm shocked they were terrible to you. Well, you know, I'm kind of shocked they were to you guys too, because I was like, you know, they're young and beautiful. They can't complain about anything with these people. I was like 42 at the time, I guess, 20 years ago. You were a baby. You were just a little baby.
I think it's really common in the industry that the people writing the book. I didn't know you guys were getting that same pressure. I think it would have been. Yeah. I remember on my first movie, I had a diabolical director and actor. They were playing this method game with me of some sort. Oh, God. And I just remember how it just picked me up.
for years I didn't trust anybody. I'd go on set and I was like, I got to protect myself, man. You know, and then you go on a good set and you still felt that you had to, you know, really feel things out because there are some. And for people like people who are real
Real artists, trust is everything as an actor. You've got to be able to be vulnerable. And if you feel like you're getting messed with, it's really hard to do your best work and then to feel good about it. Absolutely. And I think it's a really common thing in the industry, though, that the people writing the checks are under the misconception that actors are just puppets.
Or animation. I was going to use those exact terms about five minutes ago when you were talking. Yeah. I have felt like that many times on a set where they just don't quite understand that I actually have put a lot of thought and work into it. There's a reason why I'm not just a face. I actually have done a lot of work. You know. Oh, no, no. There's a brain in there? Yeah.
They're hoping to perfect CGI and they won't need us anymore. Hey, let's see how that goes. Craig, I think part of the reason we're all so close is because we went through this pretty toxic experience together. Like when we see each other at conventions, it is a big family reunion. And I want to be very clear. You were a safe place for us well before the Me Too movement happened. Absolutely. Before we ever vocalized our concerns. Yes.
you were always a good guy for us. And I appreciate that. I feel badly that this experience didn't honor you as it should, but I want to know like what your favorite job of all time was like, what's the job that was the most fun experience ever? Well, there's, I had a lot of jobs that were fun experiences, but you know, yeah, a river runs through it. It was just,
by far like the most it just has so much heart soul I don't know it's just so deep you're so dreamy in that movie there's another guy some people think is dreamier but did you keep did you keep up fishing at all after that movie or was it kind of just the the thing you did for the film and then you call you know what I can't I can't even hook a fish and feel good I like
Like I grew up, you know, my family has a hunting cabin. So I was just like, I so can't go there. Oh, gosh. I lived on a lake, though, for 25 years. And I enjoy swimming in the lakes and going off rope swings and all that stuff. Yeah. And I eat fish. I'm not a vegetarian or anything like that. So I should be able to catch them. But Sophia does that. Sophia goes fishing in Montana now.
I was going to say, Craig, I'll catch your fish for you and then I'll cook them. I really do think that my my sort of, you know, nostalgic love affair with learning to fly fish is because of you. Yeah, I mean, not not like you guys did in the movie or anything. But yeah, yeah. I'll send you a picture. Did your husband say fly fishing?
um i started actually going on that by the way thank you i follow you guys oh you cutie i started um going on fly fishing trips years ago before uh grant and i started dating i i
I don't know. I've always loved the great outdoors and been like a road tripper and a camper and all those things. And it was a thing I'd always wanted to learn. And I was up, you know, Hillary mentioned in Montana with some friends and I was like, I'm just going to do this. And I got so hooked.
And I've taken like groups of girlfriends to fly fish in Alaska, gone back to Montana, fly fish to New Mexico. Oh, so you got some of those big Alaskan trout. I love it. Look what you started, Craig. I hear there are monsters up there.
You did it. You started. Thank you. Thank you for my favorite sexy lady hobby. It's hard to actually catch them though sometimes, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. And there's nothing like when you've had a good day and you're like, I've done it. I've gotten good at this. And then the next day you don't catch anything. And you're like, and I'm humbled by nature. Once again, I shall, I shall go home empty handed. Done. How long are you in LA, Craig? Are you there? Are you living in LA now?
I moved back. Yeah. Right on. All right. Well, next time we cruise through. Like I said, it was the first week of the pandemic and just hung out for a long time. And now I'm, you know, I'm.
Starting to work. Good. Yeah. You just played Nixon on American Horror Story, which is super cool. It was, it was just a blast, man. I love it. Now talk about, again, a creative experience. I mean, they were so supportive, you know, like Ryan Murphy was just very, you know, I would hear like what I was doing. Nobody ever really tried to control anything. And I mean, you know, I got direction and all that, but
Yeah, it was really, really fun. I loved it. And when they sent it to me, I was like, me, Nixon? I was like, I don't get it. And then I was like, started watching stuff and playing around. I'm like, my ball. There he is.
And I like stuck my cheeks with cotton like Brando did in The Godfather. Oh my gosh. Stick my hair with, it was, it was just fun. I was like playing a character, which is what I, we all love to do the most, right? We all want to turn it into something else. I'm so curious about that. To play someone so famous, where do you start? Like what, what's the doorway into as an actor playing a character like Nixon? Where do you begin? Yeah.
yeah i just started with youtube you know i just started watching his speeches and his mannerisms and um you know i only had like three days to prepare for i put myself on tape you know no yeah so uh but i just immersed myself in youtube for like two or three days and started playing with makeup and and wow and as soon as i did i was just like
this is weird. I look like him. And I kind of sound like him. And then I put my own spin on it because it was a... This season, it was double feature last year and I'm in the last for the second half of the double feature. And it's like, it's all shot in black and white. It's 50s UFO stuff with, you know, Eisenhower and Kennedy and all these people. Nixon's like this Macadam guy behind the hole.
selling out to the UFOs, selling out to the aliens to become present. I just dropped the photo of you as Nixon into our chat. Oh my God, this is unbelievable. You're such a good actor. You're such a good actor.
I am really lucky that we had you at the beginning stages of our trajectory because you have always been a really strong example for us of good behavior on set and creativity and asserting yourself without being combative. You know, like you're you're a really good leader. And yeah.
So now when you're when we're in L.A., we're going to come bug you. Is that OK? Oh, can we come bug you? Please do. Please do bug me. I'm so proud of you guys for all this, all the stuff you've been doing, all the all the stuff you've been doing. Thanks, pal. I'm just happy. And I just can't believe you guys are. I can't believe you're like almost the age I was when I did that. Tell me about it.
Now I'm like 60. It's crazy, right? I'm like the age Barry was. No, no. I mean, I guess so. Barry wasn't old. Everyone thought Barry was old. And I'm like, Barry's not old, you guys. Barry's like young. He was young. I know. He's just been playing a grumpy old man forever, but he isn't. That's my vibe. He's so damn good at it. I know.
We spent a lot of time together at Charlie Brown's. Yes. Oh, my gosh. Yes. That's so fun. It's such good to see you. Before we leave, what was your favorite place in Wilmington? Because the fans really do like to do tours of our old haunt. So last question, favorite spot in Wilmington. Hmm.
Oh, Circa. Circa. Oh, yeah. You were a Circa king. I just loved Circa. I loved the Darkwood. It was just like my house. It was like being back at my house. And that food there was incredible. I liked the Sofa Bar, too, a lot. Caprice. But I'd say those two were my favorite. Pork City Chop House wasn't bad either.
Yeah. Remember that one down by the beach? Oh, yeah. Is that Chiquetti's? Is that still there? There were so many good restaurants. That was one of the great things. What'd you say? Chiquetti's, that Italian restaurant that was over by Handfall. Yeah, the Ash guy owned that place. Yeah. Oh, I miss that place. Well, we're going to have to take a trip back, Craig. Are we going to see you in Tree Hill again? Well, I'm sure there'll be a convention coming up sometime. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We're going to go to Trek. Oh, okay.
It'll be great. I can't wait. You better wear those boots and you better keep your pants tucked into them. I want to see boots and a bandana. There they are. And there's the bandana. And there's the bandana. That's all we want. It's been great. It's around my neck now ever since the pandemic. I need to get that. It's not around my head anymore. Oh, Craig, you are just the best. Thank you so much for hanging out with us today.
Thank you guys. Love you. Love you too. See you later. We'll see you soon. Bye. One tree hill fans. Guys, I cannot wait for all of us to be together with Craig wearing jackets that he made for us. It is like, yeah. And I'm talking to all my pants into boots. No pants outside of boots. Never. I got to get him. I got to get my bandanas out. I'm ready for this reunion. Yes. Sign me up. Can we have drama queen bandanas? Yes.
Oh my God, we need them. Drama queen bandanas with little flaming hearts on them. Ladies, let's spin a wheel because we've done a two-parter and last week we didn't get to see what our superlative was. Those are my favorite. Right. Most likely to become a motivational speaker. That's what Sophia does. Let's let her do her job. I think so.
Yeah. I mean, that was the easiest one that we've ever had to do. Kind of Anne Brooke. I mean, I don't know who else besides, I guess Mouth. Mouth is always a good, you know, I mean, he's a jack of all trades. Andy. Andy gives talks. He's like a college professor. Oh, yeah. So what is your favorite bit of motivational speaking that you've ever done? Was it the one with Michelle Obama or was it the one with Hillary Clinton? Who has been your favorite speech? Yeah.
Oh, man. I mean, yeah, doing doing education advocacy work with Mrs. Obama was pretty insane. Yeah. But I don't know. I think I've taken different things from different moments. I I remember, you know, speaking.
downtown at a big march in LA and just looking out at this sea of like a million people and thinking, wow, if everyone is willing to show up for each other, for their community, for democracy, for ideas, like we have this
uncrushable spirit as humans. And it just makes me feel really pumped. Yeah, no, I can't help it. This is definitely me. I'm hearing the words coming out of my mouth and I'm like, what stump speech am I giving? I need to go to bed. You have come such a long way since DW Not I, baby. We are very proud of you. Thank you, DW Not I. Very proud of you. So good.
All right, what do we got next week? Next week, we have episode 17 of season two, Something I Can Never Have. Oof. That sounds depressing. What's something you can never have? I don't know. Apparently, none of these characters can ever have healthy relationships. I'm very curious what that pertains to next week. I can never have expensive sunglasses. Oh, okay.
Yeah. I can never have rugs that don't have like dog pee on them. That's what I'm combating right now. This puppy is killing me. Okay. Yeah. We love you guys. Thank you so much for joining us once again. Thanks to Craig Sheffer for being a total smoke show and entertaining us. Hells yeah.
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