It’s a Trap! • EP311
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Oh, boy. Hi, guys. Guys, we decided... I need a drink after that episode. Yeah, we need a drink for this is probably going to be the title of this episode. Honestly, I've got liquor somewhere from one of our previous recordings. I can't do this straight-faced. That was a bad episode. This...

This was the first time I think we've actually...

looked at each other and gone, how are we going to make it through the rest of this? There are 20 more minutes of this. This was not a good episode. No, it wasn't. This was, all right, it's episode three, episode 11 of season three. Tell them about it, Joy. Tell them about it. Okay. It's his return of the future, which we had kind of high hopes for. It sounds, you know, futuristic and exciting. Was not. It was not exciting. It sounds futuristic. There's going to be spacesuits. Anti-gravity. There were no

There were no hoverboards and this episode was trash. The Ravens losing streak continues and Whitey forces the team to find another home gym in an incredibly tropey... I'm gonna make y'all play in a dunk. You're gonna have to work for it, kids. Clean this place till it shines like the top of the Chrysler building. Okay, Amy.

Nathan gets upset at Haley when Dan puts the idea in his head that she's trying to trap him with a baby. Brooke finds an unlikely ally with her designs when she gets in rogue vogue. Ellie and Peyton continue to bond. Best part of the episode. I wish the whole episode had just been you two. Continue to bond over music by putting together an album that will benefit charity. And finally, Keith returns to Tree Hill. But Dan gets in the way of his happily ever after with Karen.

And he twirls his mustache in his pinstripe suit. His pinstripe suit. Guys, let's not talk about it. I don't want to talk about it yet. I'm not ready to talk about it. I still have that bile taste in my throat where I'm like, we have to talk about what we talked about last week. Joy's love life. We have a follow up. Can we just talk about Joy's love life, please?

Can we talk about the suitor whose Instagram we did a deep dive into? We'll never tell you who he is, but we know all about him. We know. Oh my gosh. You know what? Like I spend a few days thinking like, you know, was I overreacting?

You know, like I've been in moods where I was just feeling happy and friendly and like, hey, let's sit down and have lunch. You seem nice and I'm nice and let's have a chat. You know, we're both kind of new in town and let's just sit and chat. And then like as the lunch goes on, oh, wow, I'm really attracted to this person. Oh, maybe. So like I'm thinking, okay, maybe I could give him a little bit of space for that felt unsure. Hillary's just shaking her head. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. No, you can't because we talk too often.

to our husbands. We sure did. Because you know there's going to be somebody who's like, God, you girls are so uptight. No, we're not. Because guess who else is mad about this? Our husbands. Yeah, 100%. We gave this thing the smell test to both Grant and Jeff. Yeah. And they've got notes. They're very upset. They both were like, that's absolutely unacceptable. Yeah.

Yeah. It's unacceptable. We went to a sushi dinner. It was like the first time we'd gone to dinner with just the two of us. And we're like, we're not going to talk about the kids, you know? I was like, well, let me tell you about this with joy. I laid it all out for him. And I was like, out of curiosity, have you invited a strange woman to sit with you during lunch where you talk for hours and don't tell her about me? And he's like, no.

First of all, you're a psychopath and you would destroy her. But second of all, that's totally a date. That's 100% a date. And he was offended and he was like, let me see the guy's Instagram. And we, the Morgans, don't think he's attractive enough for all of this. I agree.

By the way, I think we're going to set the bar higher is what we're going to do. Look, I'm just saying it was my type. If you walked into a room with cute boys and there was attractive men in there, that's probably the one you would have picked for me. Like tall, lumberjacky, disheveled, smart. I was like, this is great. Disheveled. We want more shoveled. All right? We want a little more shoveled than that. A little less dis. But truly, when I talked to Grant about it, he was like, listen,

And we talked about this last week, ladies. Like, we have so many. I'm sorry. Grant's the kind of person who is like, he's sweet, open. I could see him, like, striking up a conversation with someone quite innocently. And just, you know. So I am actually interested in knowing particularly what he thinks, too. Yeah. By the way, one of my favorite things about my husband, still not used to saying it, still feels really fun, just to clarify. So cute. Is that...

I literally like I can I can take him anywhere. We can lose each other at a party and he's always having a great time. He's made a new friend. Can't wait to talk to me about the person that he met and what we're going to do. And we wind up inviting people to dinner. I love that about him. His point was, look, it's great if you're social, but if you're hiding your life, you're lying. He lied to her. That's what he said. He said that man lied to her. And when I said, yeah, you know,

My feedback to Joy was you and Maria could have had new friends in town if you'd known that this guy and his fiance had a farm. Like y'all could have been family friends. And Grant said, exactly. Yeah. But he lied to her. When you leave out one of the most important facts of your life, you're lying. And not only Grant's point was that not only did this guy lie to you, but he lied about her.

Yeah. And to do that to the person that you have pledged your life to is dark. All right. So that relationship is doomed. I was like, see, I am. This is why we're mad. And Grant was like, we need to introduce Joy to someone. I'm going to think about this because this is unacceptable. You guys know how sometimes like Entertainment Weekly or some of these news outlets will pick up things that we've talked about in the podcast and turn them into a news story? What the fuck are we going to do when they take this?

The case of the lying farmer and they turned it into a news story.

Oh, my God. In the paper's case of the Lion Farmer. Oh, okay. Well, listen, if we're going to do what the tabloids would do, for one more second, let me just follow up that in addition to y'all going through his Instagram, I showed it to Grant. And then I said, and look, because if you scroll so far down and you find the only picture she's in, and then you go to her page, he goes, let me guess, he's in every photo? And I said, yes! So she tells the truth about her life. And this man...

This man is telling a lie about his life and I don't like it. And our families are all very offended. It's a bad instinct. Even on the most generous benefit of the doubt level, even there...

And you go, okay, he's just finding himself attracted and didn't expect to and doesn't know what to do. Listen, every time you have a choice to do the right thing or be selfish, and those moments happen every day, all the time, you have a choice in that moment. And what you do with that choice is the measure of your character.

That is who you are. It doesn't happen in the charity cases that you show up to take care of. It doesn't happen in all the big grand gestures. It happens in those small moments when you have a split second choice and you have to do the right thing.

And what I will say is we're all human. It's impossible to be infallible. Everyone has had low moments. Everyone has, you know, you think of your highest highs, you've got your lowest lows. You have things you regret. You have things about your past you wish you could change. You have decisions you wish you could have made differently. But not to be, you know, tropey and annoying, but at our age, come on. Come on. Like, we're too grown up for this s**t.

years ago, I could have gone, you know what? Maybe he felt pressured and they got engaged and he's trying to get out and he saw you and he didn't want to chance get away and he's breaking up with her next week. No, at this point, absolutely not. We are adults.

We are so adult. Yeah. And the fact that when you gave him the opportunity to tell the truth and say, I asked you to have lunch because you seem so nice. And then we got to talking and then suddenly I thought, oh no, I've done this thing. This feels like a date. I don't know how to tell her I'm engaged. I'm embarrassed. And I should have just told you. I'm so mortified. If he'd said that,

maybe you could be friends literally you could see him around town and meet his fiance at a coffee shop one day and you all could become friends and laugh about it yeah but the way he reacted well if i had a dollar for every time a girl hit on me ew fired forever goodbye the boys are on our side i don't need girls i don't need i don't need to please please whatever please i don't need you i could ask i can get any girl i want like he's not a 24 year old ding dong we are grown up

We are adults. And it was a follow-up. That's what really kicked me because I was like, you know what? Walking away from that lunch and being like, okay, you know what? You had a weird moment. It's selfish and rude, but okay, fine. It was the follow-up two days later that was the real kicker. That's what it was. I was

I wasn't going to say anything. I was like, I got your number, but I'm just going to back off. I'm never going to talk to this guy again. It's fine. It was the fact that he, that was, that's why my immediate response was like, yeah. Hey, hey, you engaged. Why are you talking to me? Why are you talking to me? Yeah. Why are you still here? Why are you still here? This ties in perfectly to your storyline in this episode, Joy, because Haley is not suffering any bullshit.

There she goes, bringing it back around. There we go, Hillary. No, but for real, as we're talking about this, like, ding-dong boy, you know, the world revolves around them. The world revolves around their goals and their hopes and their dreams. Fantastic. Congratulations, Nathan. You're good at sports. Yeah. This idea that, like, Haley's trying to trap him, his quickness to buy into Daddy's narrative is very unsatisfying to me. And also...

I don't know. I could see it. I could see it because of because of the town history, because of Karen and Deb. That's why it feels like, OK, maybe this is a thing women do. But we commented how yelly this episode was. Oh, yeah. Perhaps my issue is more with the way it was scripted, where if you notice in this episode, everyone went from zero to one hundred percent.

very quickly. And it, and every scene was only like half a page long. So it was just these tiny vignettes of people screaming at each other. I don't want to do that. It was so, let's relax. Let's relax. What I'll say is that your, your willingness to be vulnerable in real life is,

is something that I really respect about you. And you've always been that way. You've always been the one to be like, hey, I don't feel good. This doesn't feel nice. Can we talk about it? Even when we were kids, you were the person that would be like, let's cut the shit. I don't feel nice. Let's talk. Haley does that in this episode where she's like, okay, I understand that you're all whacked out right now, but this doesn't feel nice. So I'm not going to make it better for you. It's not my job to fix this.

Which is so great after she's been groveling. Groveling. Thank you. Yes. Yes.

And I thought for a second, I was like, is this a defense mechanism? Because now she got him back and now he's being weird again. And so instead of being worried, instead of turning it back around on herself, she's angry and like letting out all of her frustration that she's had pent up. Or is this legitimate? But it's legitimate. He's being irrational and crazy. Yeah.

And I think it's really important, that line that she has been very willing to see his pain. She's been very willing to say, I hurt you and I know why you're struggling to trust me again. Haley and Lucas have this interesting parallel with that a little bit, but Haley's being kind and Lucas is being the king of misdirects. And I like that in this moment,

It's, this goes past his feelings and into an accusation that while you can say like, I get that you have trauma because this is your dad's story, right?

How dare you? I love the way... There's so much writing I could criticize in this episode. But that you were scripted to say some... You know, what you said about being 17 and having your own dreams and your own career goals. It's like this idea that women just trap men with babies. And you're like, hey, I'd have to carry it. I'd be a teen mom. I'd be giving up my future. Like, this isn't some casual thing to me. And it was such a nice... You're not the catch. Call out. Yeah, like...

It's not a small deal for a girl of any age to get pregnant. Screw you, dude. Like, I loved that there was that wherewithal. It really is. Like, who do you think you are? Who do you think I am? How stupid do you think I am? Yes. And how desperate for you do you think I am? Right, right. It's like, oh, no, baby, I wanted you. I don't, I don't need you. This is a want. Yeah. Yeah.

And that goes into her being really clear about why she wasn't on birth control. She's like, I'm sorry, you're yelling at me. You left me. I was gone. And I wasn't sleeping with that guy you thought I was sleeping with.

You could have not been the idiot at the end of the unprotected sex night, sir. Duh. I really liked that. I really liked it. It takes two, Nathan. I was like, yes, Haley, you're right. It sure does. Absolutely. Yeah, that's never happened to me before. I mean, there are children present, but that moment of questioning, hey, you were taking care of that, right? Because I didn't.

Like I've never, I've never experienced that before. Like, I'm sorry, excuse me? Sorry, what? Pardon? Pardonnez-moi? No, it's actually almost always their responsibility. You know what I think is really interesting about that? This is one of the moments where I relish in our on-screen friendship, in the Haley and Brooke of it. Because...

The girls are being the adults in the room. Yeah. We're having a conversation. I'm like, I love that you're back with your husband. What? I'm mad at you that you had unsafe sex. Yeah. And we have this like safe sex talk that is actually frank. And once we get into it, we ask each other questions and there's no judgment. There's like real encouragement of exploration of a relationship dynamic and

and thank god we're getting it somewhere with our female friendships because with the boys we're just being accused of ridiculousness it's totally ridiculous throw my hands up i've had it i agree no it's nice it's nice to see that uh between us i love our conversations i do love our conversations in this episode and that we the conversation that you guys had was so much better than the conversation that luke and nathan had because they essentially have the same conversation where he's like

Brooke and I had a pregnancy scare and get a man, but like, you know, and it's so just broed out and it doesn't get to any like point of honesty where it's like, hey, it's on us to always have protection. It's on us to be participants in this safe sex game.

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And also, where was his bandana?

I don't know if his boots were even tucked into his jeans. Who is this man? It's like, you know, Craig came on our show and talked about the fight that he had with our bosses about how they wanted him to be super clean cut. And so they wrote him out of a whole bunch of episodes. And it felt like, okay, well, you're coming back, but you're coming back on our terms. And the way that we can show that Keith is a new man is by tidying him up in this like super clean cut way, right?

You're going to play, but you're going to play by our rules. And it just felt like if Karen was going to have the hots for Keith, she wanted, you know, mechanic Keith. Yeah. Keith with the floppy boots. Aww. That's the Keith I want. I will say I did like that scene for him. Well, for both of them, really, when he fixed her car. Yes. And she came out in that little dress and was just so cute.

Well, I bet Andy could have a team of guys do this. All right, we're going to lay it out there, huh? And then she just dropped the honesty on him. I traveled halfway around the world. But that's what happened. Everything I wanted was right here. When you're our age, there's no time. Why waste time? Why are we wasting time not just being 100% honest, you know? I love that about Karen. Yeah, she got the memo. We're too old for this.

We're too old for this. I do like, though, that as much as they made him clean up, Craig was like, I'm keeping this bandana in my back pocket. He sure was. The red one was there.

That was the picture of Bruce Springsteen's Born in the USA cover with the jeans and the red handkerchief tucked in the back. That was so great. That was his silent rebellion. That was, that was a fucking great silent rebellion. Just like, they can't win all the way. I'm going to let them win a little, but they're not going to win all the way. That's right. Bandana's here to stay. I love that.

I will say, truly, for as much weird energy as there was in this episode and as clunky as the scenes felt, and as much as I hated that they wrote Lucas to still be misdirecting Brooke and then to tease her about sex and that, like, he's not in love. And then he's like, just kidding. I'm in love with you. Ew. Don't read on the bed where there's light. The highlight for me was Peyton and Ellie.

I wanted the whole episode to be you and your mom on a road trip, meeting with bands and having her. It was like she was building the yellow brick road for you. Yeah. Like you see Ellie. You see her teaching Peyton all the cool, like rock and roll world band manager tricks. And I,

As a viewer, I could see, not just for her, how refreshing it is that Peyton's in a moment of joy, but I, as Sophia, could see you as Hillary having fun.

And it's so fun to watch you have fun. That was it. It was a big change. I kept thinking, I was like, what is it about? I mean, you're beautiful no matter what, but there was a different light about you in this episode. Your hair was done a little differently and your skin looked really glowy and your makeup was lovely, but...

It was that you were happy and it was so nice to just see Peyton being happy. I felt like very protected in my storyline with Cheryl. I wasn't being asked to do anything compromising. I wasn't having to kiss any of the boys on the show, which isn't like an awful thing, but it is, you know, it's weird. I was just asked to connect with someone who I really, really, really liked.

And it felt so fun and so safe. And in that scene where she's telling me about the day that Peyton was born, like I found myself as Hillary, just like hungry for that. Like I wanted to know every minute of that experience. And then what? And then what? And then what? And, and yeah, I think, I don't know. Watching her,

she's so glittery and like when she throws her hands up in the air when the band like agrees to everything oh my gosh and she lights up i just i'm so enamored with this person um in front of the camera and you know like off screen that yeah i would can sign me up for anything shirley ever does ever like she's just a magic person our editors also did such a beautiful job

Because when you guys have that conversation, you say, not a surf is in. And she throws her arms up right when her hands get all the way outstretched is when always love kicks in. You always notice the music cues. Look at you. It's happening again. No, I'm not okay. It made me cry and I'm crying again. Like, it was such a moment. And I was like, oh, God. It was beautiful between the two of you. I don't know what's wrong with me. Oh, look at you. So funny.

I just wish more of our storytelling was about those relationships. There's so much emphasis put on boyfriends, boyfriends, boyfriends, or girlfriends, boyfriends, like whatever. And I get it. Like I was the kid who was love crazy forever. But I also have like a family thing where I like stories about families because I –

I'm not necessarily good at that all the time. And so I like watching it. I like those narratives because they help me understand like what I'm doing wrong or what I can do better or what maybe things should look like, you know? And Ellie is just, you know, one of those little magical bubbles that we got to play in. I also think that having more examples set

can be really helpful, not just for us, you know, now watching families learning that kind of stuff in terms of how to navigate it, like you're saying, but as a young person, I think sometimes the reason that young love can feel so all-consuming or life-shattering when it ends is because

We have so many shows like this that just focus on who are you in love with and who loves you. As though that's the most important thing. As though that's it. And then you think, well, this is all I'm supposed to be thinking about. And when we watch episodes where we have a really good balance of these young kids finding themselves, finding themselves in their families, figuring out how to excel in school, find out what they're passionate about, in addition to, yes, the, you know,

the beautiful fragment of life that is finding love.

It feels more balanced. It's more enjoyable. And then things become less repetitive and tropey. Like if we do too much relationship drama, it gets annoying. And it's like we've seen it a hundred times. If all Dan Scott has is to be the evil mustache guy, we're like, oh my God, they've made him do the same thing for five episodes. We get annoyed with it. I like a balance better. And I think it's why it's so refreshing having Dan

Peyton and Ellie having this beautiful storyline because it adds something to our show and makes it better. Well, I miss... Because...

I think that's a great point. I am just as excited to watch Haley fall in love with music and Brooke fall in love with her fashion line as I am to see them fall in love with Luke and Nathan. Like, cool. Great. It's the... It's that magic of the potential and the unknown and the excitement. You know, like, that's riveting to watch. And the reason this episode fell so flat is that...

We know all that content is there. And right now it's just like, boys, boys, boys, boys, boys. These boys are tough to deal with, you know, and Lucas is being all, you know, misdirect and Nathan's picking fights to pick fights and repeating a cycle that is frankly boring at this point. It's boring to watch. That's what we said. We all were just like, I'm so bored. The cycle is boring. Dan Scott showing up with no redeeming qualities is boring.

And sometimes what happens is when you have different writers on every episode, what I found with my character is that every single writer, every single visiting director wanted that moment of Peyton crying. Right. And so you just end up doing that one thing over and over again. And I think that's what's happened with Dan. Everybody wants to have the Dan moment. And it's just like, guys, we've done it for three seasons.

Like, show Dan doing something f***ing adorable. What if Dan saved a baby? What if there was a baby carriage rolling down the street and Dan saved the baby? You know? Yeah. And then Deb and Karen could have a great joke about, of course he did. You know, there could be a moment. Yes. Yes. I just think sometimes that's a...

It's a pitfall of a writer's room where you've got different writers on every episode because everyone's working kind of in a bubble. And it's hard to know, like, what are you doing? Well, what are you doing? Well, what are you doing? All right, well, I won't make Dan crazy in this episode. I'll actually make him really likable so that it packs a punch in your episode. I also think sometimes on a show with a cast of this size, like,

people will get really focused on the thing that needs to happen. Like they want Nathan and Haley to have this big fight because is Nathan going to become Dan? And then because that's such a focus, they'll get lazy with Dan or, you know, they, they want there to be this push and pull with Brooke. And somebody says, well, Lucas should tease Brooke with these misdirects where he says something that makes her feel real bad about herself. And then he'll be like, I'm kidding. You're my favorite person. I'm obsessed with you. And, and,

It's like a throwaway comment, but then two writers on two different episodes hear it and they each do it in their episode three times. So then you're like, well, I hate this. Instead of it being impactful, I hate it. So I wonder how many moments we had like that. What if Dan was like a really good mayor? What if Dan was doing initiatives in the town that were actually wonderful? Yeah.

And then it was juxtaposed by this behind closed doors stuff. But instead, it's just all slimy. Yeah. It's weird. I mean, we had 22 episodes, sometimes 24, I think. God. Yeah.

But it's funny now when you look at how it's TV shows are 12 to 13 episodes, you know, at max like 16, but that's pretty rare. And they usually take a long time to draw out a storyline over that period of time. We had 22 episodes. I don't know why. I guess it just wasn't the thing to do. It wasn't popular back then. We always thought we might be canceled. So they were just like, we got to always wrap everything up so fast. Yeah.

I know. Well, and I think that's a big part of it, too, is when you have that many episodes, things do become repetitive because it's so much time to film. Yeah, but they can do it. Like, it's an hour. I mean, we can always flashback to Deb at the fire 20 more times. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. More flashbacks. Please.

We got our money's worth. And the scene with her and Keith where it was shot all shaky, like we're watching 24 or whatever it was like the Bourne movie came out. Or like an episode of Intervention. I was like, what is this? Like what handheld person is in the bed with these two? Choices were made. It was very, it was a very disjointed episode, but I will say talking about it for the last 32 minutes, I realized there were more highlights than we thought because we really were bored the whole time. Yeah.

Okay, who else? What else happened in this episode? Rachel. Rachel submitted Brooke's designs. I liked that. That was a redeeming moment. Wait. Although she had an event. She had an ulterior motive. This is the thing. We were getting to the end of that scene and I'm watching me and Daniil being these real cute little rivals who are deeply obsessed with each other and mad about it. Like, I'm a big Brachel fan, guys. Yeah. Yeah. And...

I was like, man, look, it's starting. We're cute. And then I walk away from her and she goes, no, thank you. And I was like, wait, what evil thing does she have planned? Oh, dear. I genuinely don't remember. I don't either. That Rachel loves you.

Like, I honestly think, because I remember being in high school and not necessarily, like, wanting to go out with a girl. But I remember there were girls that I was like, I can't stop thinking about this. Like, this chick is just in my brain. Yeah. In my brain. Taking up space. It's a girl crush. Yeah. Rachel's got a thing where she's fixated on Brooke and she's like, I'm either going to win this girl over or I'm going to destroy her. Or I'm going to win over her. And I'm going to win over her.

Over her by destroying her and then make her my pet. You know, like there's just like kind of this sexy power thing going on between the two of you. Yeah, I like it. For sure. And I couldn't help being amused by Daniil. And you can see it on my face. Yeah, you're not pissed off. You're like, okay, cutie. When she like admits it. And I have this like, I try to talk and I get stuck.

and I'm like, oh no, that's real. Yeah, it's

You're not really mad. You're trying to put the puzzle piece together. And honestly, I think you two should just kiss. Like, you guys are super freaking cute. There's a way, like, eventually you guys start mirroring each other in the way you wear your hair and the way you dress. And it becomes a mobsi twin situation. It's so cute. Wait, you guys become roommates? I missed that. Yes. Does that happen? Oh, my God. Joy, this is why I'm like, what evil thing does she does? Because I know what's coming, but obviously not that well.

If this show were being made today, Brooke and Rachel would have gotten a kiss and I would have liked that. Yeah. You know who else Brooke really likes in this episode? Uncle Keith coming back. I ran and jumped into his arms like Lois Lane launching herself at Superman. Oh my God. Sophia, when you, Brooke freaks out and is like,

But your body blocks who you're running up to go see. So I had zero idea. Because I was flailing, running towards him.

really missed Craig I don't know what else to say we all missed Craig it was great that he was back should the poll be should Brooke have been that excited to see Uncle Keith like should she I liked it I liked what you said Hill that that uh you that's what you do it's like a cute young girl thing to do and you know what I still do it like I want to care about the things that you care about I'm gonna show that I care it's a good girlfriend sweet oh my god this is my boyfriend's favorite person

And plus, we all really missed Craig. He was such a good energy. We missed him a lot. We did. Yeah. Yeah. I also like that Craig was given these jokes. Once I say, you know, I'll go sleep on my couch. You guys have time to catch up. And Craig and Lucas leave together. He, at the fountain, had jokes to insinuate that we knew how ridiculous the fire storyline was.

And I liked that the writers did that. Yeah. I liked that they had him poke fun at a pretty major jumping of the shark that we did on our episode. It made me laugh. Yeah. Well, because it just, it doesn't feel like part of our show. It's still not like it's so out of left field. Like someone tried to murder Dan and then he won the mayoral election. Like it's all just so extra funny.

And there's no... And Dan's still showing up at, like, random gyms. He's everywhere. And I like the new gym because I think one of the problems our show gets into is that...

It's the success curse. If every kid on the show is like the best at something. Yeah. And everyone's successful at everything and everything's shiny and winning, it loses its relatability with our audience. And so taking the kids out of the fancy gym and putting them in a gym that actually looks more like some of the schools, you know, that I grew up around. Yeah. The schools I grew up around were all built like in the,

40s, 50s, 60s, 70s. You know, there was nothing that was shiny and happy. And so I remember that gym that was out. Where was that? That was out in Bregard or something. The reason that we got kicked to that gym is that it was actually basketball season for the real high school. Oh, yeah. And like, we just couldn't film there anymore. Yeah, I think so, too. We got to find an alternate place. For years, they said they were just going to build a court on the stage.

Right? Yeah, I don't know why they didn't. Because they kept threatening to cancel us. That's why. I mean, it's great. It brought in revenue for the city and for the schools, I'm sure. So that's always a good thing. But yeah, I agree with you. I think we needed to bring it back down to earth a little bit. It was becoming a lot dynasty. We had to get into Whitey's crap hole. Oh, God. What did he say? He said, crawl out of my crap hole?

He said, get out of my crap hole, Danny. And I was like, did any of this sounded like when they put it on a page? Did they? Very committed, man. Very committed. And you could see how amused he was by it. Totally. A little twinkle in his eye. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

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Well, guys, we have managed to fill up 35 minutes of time miraculously. How did we do this? We have something exciting because you guys will remember, so for our listeners, we did a contest and we invited you all to listen back to old Drama Queens episodes and answer questions that we asked you that you could only get the answer from listening to our episodes, not from anything online.

And so we found a winner and here's what she's won. She gets a Zoom with the drama queens, with all of us. Hello. And we're going to talk with her in a second. She gets a trip to Wilmington, North Carolina, which includes round trip airfare domestically for the winner and one guest, a two night hotel stay at a

$500 Visa gift card. And we're probably going to throw in a couple of our favorite places to let her know, like a little list of all of our favorite places to go to. So can we please bring her in? I'm so excited to welcome Amanda Dortch. Yeah. Amanda, are you there? What's up? You're our honorary drama queen. I was like, I'm going to play it so cool. I mean, I'll freak out. We're not cool. We never play it cool. Where are you from, Amanda?

I'm from Detroit, Michigan. Okay. That's my home away from home. Oh, Amanda. I'm like...

We're so honored that you spent the time to listen to our show and take the notes and find all these. I'm just so grateful. Thank you. Oh my goodness. Thank y'all. I was so funny when the scavenger hunt was dropped. I was like, okay, yeah, these are great questions. These are just hard to know on behalf of the fandom. Y'all did great, but it was awesome. So thank y'all just for the opportunity. I appreciate it. Yeah. Have you ever been to Wilmington before?

Never. And it's so funny because my sister and I, we have been talking about it. We're like, we have to get down there. She's my who I watch with and we listen together. And so it was y'all announced the podcast or announced the scavenger hunt the day before her 18th birthday. And so we were like, if it's meant to be, it's meant to be. So she's going to go with me. And I was like, yeah.

is so sweet that's awesome so wait wait what are you the most excited to see because it's going to be your first time so do you have a list of where y'all want to go so yes we have we have of course all the landmark places and then like we we are avid listeners to the podcast and so we've been like taking notes on where you all say and like we're really excited to eat of

So we're, yeah, we have a little list, but of course we want all of y'all's recommendations all over again. And we definitely said we wanted to go to recess. We definitely said that we wanted to go. Just all the trademarks, all the houses. We were talking about all the little trinkets that we're going to pick up.

for the people. I know y'all had mentioned that. So we're like, okay, yeah, we'll find some cute stuff. So yes. That's so great. Okay, so what are our top recommendations? We're going to send you up, right? Please, yes. Because we also get DMs about this a lot. Everyone's like, I'm going to Wilmington. I've got 48 hours. What do I do? Go. Y'all know my first two. You have to go to get tacos at Tower 7 at Wrightsville Beach. Yes.

It's just so good. Yeah. It's also just so local. That is such a standard staple Wilmington thing to do. Yeah. Got it.

Yeah, it's it's such a good vibe. And it's fun because whether you go for lunch or dinner, you can go for a walk on the beach. There's like there's so many just cute things to see out at Wrightsville. And then you've got to go when you do the downtown like the waterfront where Nathan gives Haley her charm bracelet and where are, you know, all of our little stores where our record shop was. You have to go to Kilwins for ice cream.

My personal favorite is a chocolate chip cookie dough. I don't know what your jam is, but if you get it, get it in a waffle cone, you're welcome. You're welcome. You're welcome. I love La Catalane. I always used to go there and just, because you could always get a great glass of wine and you just sit on the, on the water. Um, so it depends on what time of, when are you going? Do you know? Is La Catalane still open? Oh,

oh my gosh i don't know is it i don't need it i don't know riverway the riverwalk is open for sure okay so we're we're still talking about it we haven't decided on on the date so we've been working with your team and they've been amazing just listen they are amazing i was like oh my gosh yeah because they they saw my original freak out so shout out to them

And so we were talking about maybe going, so my little sister, she is starting college. So I'm trying to work around her schedule too. So this would be her freshman year. So we're thinking either Labor Day or right before she leaves, which is in like two, three weeks. Yeah. Okay. All right. Labor Day is great weather. Yeah.

It'll probably be good still in the water. It'll be gorgeous. Oh, my God. It's warm until Thanksgiving with the water. But also, Labor Day is before hurricane season, which we learned the hard way filming this show. That's right. Don't wait too long. Yeah. Okay, but to Joy's point, glasses of wine on the Riverwalk are kind of...

Oh, yeah. So great. And then Brasserie du Soleil. That's still open, I hope. Just go get their steak frites and... And the mac and cheese. Oh, yeah. The truffle mac and cheese. It comes in that little terrine that they bake. It's all crispy on the top. You can't touch it. It's so hot. It's so good there. Antique shopping. Y'all have mentioned it before. We are top...

Jess James vintage has always has great stuff. She curates it herself and it's really interesting things. And castle street has quite a few antique stores. Castle street. I want to say it's like below eighth. So like everything kind of below eighth on castle street is an antique Emporium. And there there's just little tiny shops all over the place. Some of them you walk in and you think it's a little shop and then it goes on forever.

Oh, yeah. But then there's also the Ivy Cottage, which is on Market Street. That's what I was going to say. The cottage. Yeah. I spent a lot of time in there. Yeah. Joy, we did some damage in there. We did. Guys, our houses were just like out of control. We'd be like old ladies. I bought a carousel horse. What do you want from me? It was $45. How could I not? It was a steal. I needed this.

Okay. Amanda, so can you tell us a little bit about your history with One Tree Hill? And I would love to know when you started watching. And yeah, just tell me more. Tell me more. Of course. Okay, yes. So I was a part of the Netflix generation of One Tree Hill fandom, I guess you could say. I watched for the first time my sophomore year of college, so in 2015, and became obsessed immediately. Okay.

So it was, it quickly became like a comfort show. And so I rewatched it right after graduation when I moved to Dallas for my first big girl job. It was my go-to show. And then same thing, like just when everything happened and then it's also been a really big bridge for my sister and I. So she is eight years younger than me. And it was the first show where we ever got to like talk about it. Like she had very strong opinions. Oh really? Yeah.

When you're eight years apart, I think when you're growing up, it feels like I could be your mom. But really, in reality, that's not true at all. But...

It's like, you have to be the grownup. Yeah. Yeah. And that was our relationship until we started talking about the show. And it was right at a peak time where like middle school and right before she started high school. And so she's talking about boys and like just messy things that are happening. So that was kind of like our bridge. And then when drama queens came out, we both were like, we have to like, this is the thing that we have. And so that's, that's what we've been doing. And,

it's so funny because she's like for both of us listening to y'all is like being also at the big kids table so it's also like y'all are like our big sisters too oh did you hear that a piece of advice you should probably use that and I'm like yes so we kind of go back and forth on that but yeah so it's just kind of come full circle and we've had really good conversations I think

What y'all are doing is so amazing and how you're doing it. Cause there are a lot of different podcasts and things out there, but I think y'all are very honest and it's transparent because we've had conversations even before

I think you can, you can, y'all talk a lot about duality and how two things can be true. You can love something and still critique it. Cause we had that same conversation about one tree hill is like, okay, we love this show. Right. But I watched you in 2015 from a different lens than what it was. Girl. I understand. Oh my gosh. At least they think the same thing that I did. Yes. Even like, I think we, you can love the show and still critique it in the way of like,

is it okay to love a show that you don't necessarily see yourself represented in I think we've talked about that y'all have talked about that too I'm saying yeah you were there yeah whereas like I think diversity and inclusion was different you can probably count on your fingers how many black women are presented in once you heal and especially with lines but I still love this show and is that okay like you know what I mean so we we've had conversations like that and so with

with y'all critiquing it and seeing it and that gave me permission to be like okay i still love this show and i can still say how i feel but still be a part of a fandom you know human our hearts all bleed for a lot of the same stuff you know you know no matter what background you come from

The story resonates, the stories of teenage love and confusion about, you know, your family and struggling through friendships. These are all very real, raw things for anyone, um,

In our age bracket. I mean, for anyone in high school, like going through that stuff. I'm just so curious about what your sister's strong opinions are. I need to get back to that. Because we're 40, 40-ish, you know, and so you're talking about the 2015 lens.

I'm dying to know what an 18 year old's critique of the show is like, this is exciting for me. Okay. So her, she's going to kill me. So her, her biggest thing has always been, we want to Haley to stay on tour a little longer. We were like, she has to go. She has to follow her dreams. What are we talking about? And she was like, yes, of course, like their conversation should have been different and she should have told him to come, but.

she's an icon. She's going to be an icon. Like, so that was our huge conversation. Cause I, and I think maybe it's just cause we are, we pride ourselves in like, I just want to go after it. Like, you know, like that's how we are. That was how we were seeing. And she's so talented. That was probably our strongest takeaway. And so, yeah, so that was, those are her big, big, huge opinions. She's always been team, the sisterhood. So I think that,

oh is it y'all haven't gotten the sisterhood yeah so it's like in season five she was like we needed to see we needed to see Brooke and um and Peyton come when nanny Carrie was tripping like why didn't they come and why didn't they help her that's right damn it they would have been there so yeah they were

Right? We've already proven we can fight. Like, we throw fists so many times throughout the course of this series. They send Deb after her. Brooke Davis will slap somebody. That's right. She should have slapped Nanny Carrie. So, yeah. So, we... And because we got to binge it all, I couldn't imagine if I was waiting week to week, I would have been freaking out. So...

It was a different time, babe. You had to like wait and then we'd have our mid-season breaks and you'd have to wait like three months. Like it was crazy. That's what makes the bad episodes so much worse is that, you know, people sat around and they had to wait a whole week and then they, they like sat up in front of their TV with their popcorn or their dinner and they were like, it's on, close.

and then they had to suffer through an hour of terrible writing if it was a bad episode. Yes. And even when y'all were talking about like those cliffhangers, I think, I think it, I don't remember who it was, but when y'all called Dan an iceberg, like from the Titanic. I was like, oh my God. Like, you know, it's so good. So do you have a favorite episode?

Of Drama Queens or of One Tree Hill? Of One Tree Hill. Oh, One Tree Hill. Okay. My favorite episode. So...

People ask us that question all the time and I'm like, how are you supposed to pick one? Yeah. How are you supposed to pick? So I am, I'm actually a huge, I'm a huge fan of season three and six. Those are my favorite. Three is great. Three is so good. Except for episode 11 that we just watched. Oh my God. Did you watch episode 11 yet? Cause it's grim.

Yeah, I did. No, Amanda, we just watched it and we were like, what? How is 12 better? I really hope it is. So just get to 13. Get to 13. Hang in there. Get to 13. And we love it there. We love it at 13. Great. That's good. That's what I'm saying about. That's where everything is safe again.

That's going to be the title of that episode, by the way. That's what we'll do. Everything is safe again. Amanda said so. Please. We'll be good. We'll get back. The ball gets rolling again. And that's what I love about y'all's podcast, though, is like, you can say it. And I know sometimes the fandom, it just looks different all the time. So kudos to you again. Y'all handle things with such good grace. Because I've been wanting to get in comments like, wait,

have the opportunity to say if they don't like it it's okay guys but it is always combated with something better coming down the line so yeah just hang in there thank you so much yeah thank you

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who would you cruise around with? Oh, yeah. Who's your BFF? So here's the thing. We're not going to put you on the spot. None of us. Someone other than us. There you go. If you had to go out with someone other than the drama queens, who would you cruise with? Do I get to cruise around in the comet? Like, is that also part of it? In the comet. Okay, cool. You can do a squad. You're the winner. No, yes. Oh, yes. Love this for me. Love this for me. Yeah.

I'm going to steal that line. So hard. So I'm torn between Lee Norris or...

A day with Moira Kelly would be iconic, though. Oh, my gosh. Oh, okay. I can't pick. Can I pick those two? Yes. You know what I do for you? They're both in the comment. Start your day with Moira Kelly. Have a fabulous brunch. There you go. Do the river walk. And then you hit those bars with Lee Norris. Because you have never lived until you have danced with Lee Norris. That's all I'm trying to do.

It's really true. Let me tell you something. He got on the dance floor at my wedding and it was his wedding. Yes. People were laughing. People

Everyone just put your bodies around his body. It was iconic. Please tell me y'all did the yin yang twins. Please. We did. Okay. So here's what I need you to know is Lee Norris and I actually have two songs and three, six, nine is our first song, but Lee's favorite song in the world is I want to dance with somebody by Whitney Houston. No idea. And I was so excited when that song came on. Stop.

And he looked at me and I just went, I did this for you. And we ran toward each other on the dance floor. And what almost nobody knows is that since the iPhone came out when we were, I don't know, 23 or 24. So this is like over 15 years now. Anytime. Anytime.

either Lee or I is in a place where that song comes on, we send each other a video of one of us singing it. So like in our text thread, we just have like years of being like, ah,

And nobody can sing to Whitney Houston, by the way. So these videos are horrible and they can never see the light of day. But we should compile those, Sophia. This sounds like a music video we should see. There you go. Truly, I will protect our secrets till the day I die. But I will say that as we're telling this story, I must concur with Hillary. You have to end your tour with Lee Norris. It's just, it's a fact. Yeah. If you can hit a karaoke spot in Wilmington, like,

Your late night options are karaoke spot, right? Either at level five or Yosaki or there's some other places that are doing it now. Level five is on our list. Level five. If they have a comedy show, go see it. Go see it playing.

way at Thalian Hall too by the way oh okay Thalian Hall is gorgeous yeah they might have a good show on now I don't know what's the plan but I also would be negligent if I did not tell you to go on a ghost tour because listen I spoke to my old neighbor

George, his name was George. And we spoke recently on the phone and I was like, Oh my God, what's going on? How's the neighborhood? And he's like, we got these tours coming by your house all the time. Cause I lived in a haunted house downtown and the tours, I think my house might be on the ghost tour now. It should be. I feel like we've talked enough about it. Oh yeah. The ghost tour is a weird way to spend the night. And if you're taking your 18 year old sister and you can't take her into bars, that's like a great option. Yeah.

Okay. That you guys can just get a great lay of the land in Wilmington. And you can see all of these like old houses close up, all the like monuments close up. They'll show you where some of the other cool stuff that filmed in town is. There's the Carolina apartments where they filmed blue velvet. Uh,

there's the on the corner from where I lived is where OutKast filmed Idlewild and I just got to sit across the street while Big Boy and Audrey were across the street and I was so excited so yeah go on these walking tours they're very cool yeah

Make sure you ask them to take you by the old haunted dentist's house. Haunted dentist? Haunted dentist? That sounds really painful. It's truly like it's the darkest, wildest story. But whoever's leading the ghost tour will be like, oh, she knows what's up. Yeah. Okay. That's a way to get some points. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I do too. Go play skee-ball in Blue Post.

You have to go to Blue Post. Oh, if you go to Blue Post, will you please let us know if our little placards from completing the beer list are on the wall? It took so many years to earn those. Amanda, when you're done with all this, we want to see photos. Tag us. Oh my God, we need a photo diary. Oh yes, we need a photo diary. Wait, can you just take over our Instagram while we're doing this?

while you're there can we just that's a great idea Hillary you should let's just do that you want me to cry oh my god yeah okay so you're gonna create content that is gonna be our Instagram during the course of your trip you'll take over Drama Queens this is gonna be exciting if it's not too much pressure we want you to enjoy your trip so you know no I would love that I mean you don't have to like work but you could you could just take us along yeah we want to see what you're seeing

And make sure you go and visit our friend Jesse at Edge of Urge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She made a lot of our clothes back then and still does a lot of cool stuff for us now. She made Haley's bra the first time Haley and Nathan got down. Spent the night together.

Okay, Joy, you, what is the name of the hall so we can go see plays? What did you say? Thalian. Thalian, yeah. T-H-A-L-I-A-N. Thalian Hall. Thalian Hall.

It's beautiful. Perfect. Sorry, diligent notes here. Yeah, no, but I love it. I love it. You're going to have to ride like Drama Queen's Guide to Wilmington, North Carolina. Oh, absolutely. That's right. For the first timer. So listen, do you have any questions for us before we, you know, let you go on your adventure? Oh yeah, we've just been pestering you. But I'm sorry. No, no.

You know, I do have a couple. Yes. Hold on. Sorry. The notes app. Wait, what do you do for a living? I love how organized you are. I know.

Well, no, I'm saying it's a mess. But I spent way more time doing this than working today. So that's. But I actually work for Microsoft currently in Detroit. I'm one of their account managers. So I work with their health and life sciences department. I work with hospitals and stuff. So that's right. You're a grown up. You're organized. Amazing. No, it's all pretend. No. No.

but I think that perfectly like kind of goes into our my first question I guess so I'm 26 and

And what I always say about the podcast is nobody really gives you permission anymore to be messy. I think with our generation, because we have social media and we have all of these things, we were told to be a lot more careful, I guess, than other generations before us, just because it can be documented and anybody can see it and to follow you forever. Right.

And so I guess one of the things that I love about One Tree Hill and one of the things I always see is one of the biggest takeaways is the talks about forgiveness and the art of forgiveness and how that's kind of woven into healing.

Right now you're a teenager and you're messy and you're in your early twenties and you're messy. Have y'all noticed any similar themes so far of like that forgiveness, that hero's journey, that rekindling of different pieces? Like what has been your biggest theme takeaway just up into the season three of the show? Oh, of the show of what you're talking about. It is a theme that runs through. I mean,

Nathan and Haley have to find forgiveness for each other and hurting each other and being messy. But that's really what forgiveness is for. It's not because, I mean, in my opinion, it's not for like, because you're expected to be perfect. It's because you can't be perfect and you are going to hurt someone in the process of living your life and just trying to figure out

All of the important foundational questions of life that we all as humans inevitably ask ourselves and each other, you're going to hurt yourself and hurt each other. And so that's what forgiveness is for. And so it's good to put it into practice.

And so, yeah, I mean, I see that a lot with Nathan and Haley, which is a great, their marriage is a great example of that because in marriage you are messy and you are going to hurt each other. And so you have to be able to learn how to have that forgiveness in that context. So that's what I mean. I guess that's been mine, but also because I was close to that storyline. Yeah. You know, being in it and all. Having to shoulder that bear. I think, yeah,

For me watching the show back, the forgiveness is the forgiveness of oneself. You know, Peyton beats herself up about everything. Oh, yeah. And I personally beat myself up about everything. And this idea that, well, when I'm older, I won't do that anymore. When I'm older, I won't make mistakes anymore. When I'm older, I'll know better. It's bullshit.

It's total bullshit because what we figured out is that in our brains, we're all 17 years old forever. It doesn't matter if you're 25, 35, 75, you're 17 in your brain forever. So the quicker you can learn to forgive the kid in you, the young adult in you, the parent in you, that's the phase we're in right now, the partner in you.

You will be better at all of those things because you won't be doing that internal turmoil. The internal forgiveness, just be nice to the little kid in you. That's the thing. You're always talking to the little kid. Yeah. Yeah, I like that a lot. I think watching this so far, one of the things that I find really interesting about Brooke's journey is –

Similarly to what you're saying, Hillary, she has to learn to be nicer to herself. She has to learn to believe in herself and realize that she's worthy to be able to forgive people and to be able to set healthy boundaries for herself. Because when she doesn't carry herself in worth...

People treat her poorly. Yeah. And the more she steps into her own power, the more she's able to be vulnerable to admit how she feels and to grow. And I think that that was certainly my journey.

through my 20s. I mean, it's still a journey now. But then I was so nervous to make a mistake that I was too scared to ever ask for help that I just walked around feeling so terrified all the time and being sure that I was the screw up. Yeah. And it wasn't until I was like, hold on. All these people who I love that are awesome tell me I'm awesome.

And I know I'm telling the truth that they're awesome. And I don't think they're liars, which must mean when they say I'm awesome, I am awesome. You're awesome. And like, it took me a while to be like, not perfect, but like, I'm a pretty nice person. And life got easier after that. So I do really wish, you know, like you said, Amanda, I wish that people would teach us to be a little gentler with ourselves and

And to feel okay admitting how we feel or what we're nervous about or what we might need help with. Because the more we can be in honest and supportive community, the better our lives are. I mean, that's why we do this show. We're just like, we just want to be together all the time. How do we do that? And look what we made. I love what you guys are saying. You know what? That's so true. The forgiving of yourself. That's one of the hardest things to do. And it's extra hard too when you are carrying...

It's hard to forgive yourself if you don't know how to forgive other people too, which is I think kind of what you were saying, Hill, that's like, you're so hard on yourself and Peyton beats herself up. But then we carry that expectation of, well, if I can handle A, B, and C, then other people should be able to too. And then it's harder to forgive other people. I mean, I just, you know, speaking of the topic of forgiveness, I just saw a play, I

a couple weeks ago based on The Hiding Place. Did you guys ever read that story about Carrie Ten Boom? She was a Polish girl in the 1940s and her family was hiding Jews in their home. And one of the soldiers, her father was a watchmaker, and one of the soldiers said,

came to work. Sorry, this is kind of backwards. Before he was a soldier, he was a German man and her father was very like, I don't discriminate against anyone, Jew, German, whoever you are. If you want to work for me, you can work for me. So this German man comes in, works for them as an apprentice. He's very unlikable the whole time, leaves, becomes a Nazi soldier,

gives their family away. They all go off to concentration camps and her sister, who she's very, very, very close with and is like the joy and the light. And Corey's the one who's like, oh, I hate these people. And her sister is the one who's just like, it's okay. Just God wants us to love everyone. Let's just share love and be love and forgive. And you know, they don't know. And I'm sorry, they're telling me to speed it, speed it up. I'm speeding. I'm sorry. But it's beautiful. It's this amazing mind blowing story because in the end,

It's all over. The war is over. And they're all just living in the aftermath. And Corey's sister has died in the concentration camp. And so she's carrying all this anger. And as she is walking through a train station one day, she runs into this former soldier who sent her to the camp and who...

This is a true story? This is a true story. Oh my God. And he was the cause of her sister's death. And he stops her and he says, I know what I did. I'm so sorry. I've had an awakening in life and I don't know any other way to apologize except to say that I'm so sorry and can you ever forgive me? And there's this beautiful moment where she just stands at him and stares at him and

And finally embraces him. And that's it. And then just it's like, that's it. We're walking away and we're done. And this moment, like, and there's a quote in the play that's forgiveness is scandalous. It's not something that's easily given. And that's why it's so meaningful. Yeah.

because it's not something that you can just write off and be like, yeah, I forgive you. It's easy. It's outrageous. It's scandalous. How could you forgive that person? How could you? But, you know, like in this recognition that we're all human, we're all susceptible of all different kinds of things. We're all capable of all kinds of things put in the right scenario or the wrong scenario or the right conditioning or the wrong conditioning. And so anyway, that level of forgiveness in humanity is a theme that I love.

And I'm so happy that you brought it up. Sorry, I didn't mean to go so far off the rails, but thinking about like forgiving yourself for the things that you do. And like when we forgive other people, how much more that opens up for us to be able to forgive ourselves. So, yeah. All right. You can kiss your best friend's boyfriend twice and then she can be the best made of

I can always count on you for a segue, Hillary. Thank you. If you're going to be an awful person, it's got to come full circle and you've got to be able to say, I'm sorry. There is no better breaker for levity than our sister Hillary. Truly, it's such a skill. I'm amazed by you. So

I'm sorry, Amanda. Do you have any other questions? I'm sorry. Yeah, no, that is actually perfect. I know. I think y'all have talked about this before because it all kind of like weaves together in this really weird way. But I think y'all drama queens has been such a big part of like,

But another theme is like that rekindling within sisterhood and within friendships and things like that. And so to the points that all of you made in forgiving yourself and forgiving yourself, your sister and forgiving your significant other, I think a lot of times you hear the stories of like, oh, stick with me.

stick by your man like a lot of people say things like that but sometimes we throw our friendships away so i know y'all have talked a lot about kind of how y'all swam back together what kind of advice would you give for young women or like girls and women who are looking to rebuild lost friendships or like they've lost kind of that connection and similar to how you all did like we were away for a minute but back stronger than ever what did that first step look like

Honestly, you can't dictate who your friend will grow into. Okay. Cause let's say your friends from high school, you know, you meet when you're 15 years old, you have no control over the person. Your friend is going to be a 25 or 35, you know? Um,

And so it is loving the growth in your people is really important because we all started off. You look at Sophia, joy and I, we're all essentially the same person. We all grew up really, really fast. We're all pretty ADD, you know, we're all like spinning plates and hyper in a very similar way. And so we all started off at the beginning of season one, uh,

Level playing field. And then because of all the variables that were thrown at us, we all kind of found different paths. Some of us hung out more with the crew. Some of us isolated ourselves more. Some of us hung out more with the cast, you know, and we picked different paths. And it's choosing to appreciate that.

In your friendships. Appreciate the differences. Appreciate the growth. As opposed to being threatened by it. Or being like no. We were supposed to be on this road together. You know you're not doing it right. Appreciate those turns. Because eventually your paths will meet up again. And then you'll have great stories to tell each other. And they'll be able to take you over onto their path. You know. Which is exciting. It's been fun to like travel the roads that you guys took.

because I took a very different road. Yeah. I think it's also really important, you know, that idea to use your road metaphor, you can't assume how someone ends up on a road. It took us until we'd had some distance to say, "I was actually really scared." So like, I'd go over there and then, you know, two of us could go, "Wait, what? You were? Like, I always thought you were so tough."

You have to realize that feelings aren't facts. Yes. And that very often the stories that we tell ourselves aren't true. They're based on the limited information that we have. And the advice that I would give to any group of friends is remember you're all on the same team. And if something gets weird...

Like, this is the moral of my marriage. This is the moral of my friendships. If something gets energetically weird, it's me and you against the problem. It is never me and you against each other. Yeah. And that's something we all had to learn. We did not have adults modeling that for us. And it's part of the reason that it feels really important for us to talk to you all about all of our experiences and how we grew and what therapy worked and what weird outward bound shit worked.

work. Whatever we did, you know? Just get your girls on a zip line, man. Ain't nothing going to be a problem after that. By the way, let's do that. Honestly, yes. But truthfully, you know, you've got to be able to come in and say, I feel this. And be honest enough to say, I don't know if this is really happening. I don't know if you're mad at me. I don't know if I'm being left out. I don't know if...

you know, I did something to hurt you, but I feel weird. Will you tell me if I'm nuts or if I'm tapped into something? Is there something we need to talk about? And it could be any version of that. But I think it takes a courage to talk to your people and to just say, oh man, like,

This is my stuff. I did that with Hillary last week. We were laughing about something and I said, dude, I still have 22 year old me brain where sometimes my brain says like X, Y, and Z to me. And she was like, you're insane. I was like, I know.

She's insane. But the key to what you're saying... But you have to be able to just do it together. Yeah. Sorry. No, the key to what you're saying and to your question, Amanda, about the first steps is humility really is the... That's the first step. You have to be humble enough to be vulnerable and to ask and to say the thing. You have to be willing to just...

Okay. I'm no better than nobody else. I'm, you know, sorry. That was a bad sentence, but you know what I mean? She's from New Jersey. She's no better than nobody else. I am no better than nobody else. All right. Listen.

I would love for our podcast to help female friendships. If that is part of what we're building. Awesome. Absolutely. And you know, it's interesting, like Amanda, you said it, there's a lot of, there is a lot of messaging, right? About like, do the work in your relationship. But let me tell you what,

The longest relationships of any of our lives, any of the women you're looking at right now are each other. Oh my God. Yes. Like you all are the, you are some of the longest relationships of my life. Yeah. Besides family. Yeah. It's why I got like all blubbery looking at my three girlfriends from middle school and the two, and the two of you and Daniil at my wedding. I was like, my girlfriend. We had so much fun with them in the back of the bus.

It was like we were just at Sophia's wedding. It was like her childhood friends and then us and we were all the bad kids in the back of the bus. And it was amazing. So fun. But truthfully, I was like weeping because I was like these these people like this is where I learned how to love.

And, you know, I'm excited for what the future holds. But to be clear, I will never be married to my husband for as long as I've been in a relationship with Hillary Burton and Bethany Joy Lange. It's mathematically impossible. And so I think we need to have cultural messaging about, like, don't forget who got you here. You know, like, stick with your girls. You tell your sister who said so. Yeah. You got it. Right.

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Because you're an honorary drama queen, Amanda, would you like to spin a wheel and do Most Likely To? It would be an honor. Truly. Yeah. All right. All right. Now you get to see behind the curtain. This is what it looks like. You just have to make a sound effect right now. What? Most Likely To. Go ahead. Not have one social media account.

Oh, so not be on any social media. So we have to pick a character and also a real life cast member. Amanda, do you agree? I agree. All right. I feel like somebody's probably said like, Keith, you got to get the body shop on Instagram. And he's like, I don't know what that is. What is a TikTok? I'm not interested. Is he still using like the Nokia flip phone that we have and all the others? 100%.

So it's like a StarTAC from 1999. Yeah, yeah. That would totally be an episode, by the way, if we were doing this show now and Keith was still alive, it would be like a whole episode of him trying to figure out how to do a TikTok. I would love him on TikTok. Amanda, is there anyone from our show that's not on social media that you want us to pester? Who's not on? Who's not on? Or are we all just attention whores?

Is Moira on social media? I don't think so, guys. You nailed it. You got the real life one. I don't think so. No. She's not. I don't think she is. No, which I think is why I was so emotional when we talked to her because there was no way to find her. Yeah, we haven't been keeping up.

Yeah, no, I think it's her. I love it. Wow. Okay. Well, when you figure out when you're going to Wilmington, let us know because our entire drama Queens family is going to be rabid for pictures and information and updates. You just go down there and you throw our names around. Every time you get a reservation, you're like, wow, Sophia, joy. And Hillary told me to come. They sent me here. They invited me here. Yeah. Yeah. To give me your best table. Done. Meanwhile, what do we got next week?

Oh, yeah. What episode are we doing next week, guys? Amanda said it's not good, but... You might know more about it than us. It's episode 312. She said you just got to make it to 13. Oh, I have it. I have it. The next episode, season three, episode 12, is I've Got Dreams to Remember. And perhaps it's an episode we will all want to forget. You're welcome. No.

we'll see we'll see we'll see maybe you'll love it you could love it i don't know after 11 i desperately hope to love it because today was painful but you really turned it around for us thank you for coming thank you for being here some joy thank y'all so much i truly i love your podcast i love y'all i think you're incredible so thank you what's your sister's name thank you all

Ariana. Okay, Ariana. Ariana. We're looking at you too, kid. You guys have such a good trip and we'll see all the rest of you next week. Thank you so much. Have a good one. Bye. Thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also follow us on Instagram at DramaQueensOTH or email us at DramaQueens at iHeartRadio.com See you next time. We school drama girl drama about them high school queens.

We'll take you for a ride in our Comet Girl. Drama girl. Cheering for the right team. Drama queens, drama queens. You could be smart, old-fashioned, but you're tough, girl. You could sit with us, girl. Drama queens, drama queens, drama queens. Drama, drama queens, drama queens.

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