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Nobody wants to start. This is your favorite episode. It's Sophia's favorite episode. She loves rain towers more than anybody. I love them so much. Hi, everybody. We're all debating about who's going to start with this. Because we're all trying not to cry. I'm emotionally spent. Y'all, I can't with this. There's part of me that's glad the Ellie storyline is over because it has been an ordeal. Me trying not to cry in these episodes. It's a lot.

Like, we've been sitting on Zoom the last couple weeks, all of us crying. And this one took the cake. Season 3, episode 13, The Wind That Blew My Heart Away. Before we watched the episode and we read the title, we were all joking that it feels like a romance novel with Fabio on the cover. And now we're like, oh. Oh. What a bait and switch.

Another bait and switch. I loved this episode. Oh, my gosh. Okay, y'all, this episode aired originally on February 1st, 2006. It is about the big storm, which causes a blackout, hits Tree Hill, and some very pivotal relationship moments happen for everyone. Everybody's all coupled up in the rain. Keith and Karen's relationship takes a big step forward, physically and emotionally, with three little words.

But Dan gets in the way again. Mouth and Rachel's friendship keeps growing. Nathan and Haley find common ground on their college issue and perhaps their marriage. Lucas declares his love for Brooke again. Ellie and Peyton grow closer as mother and daughter. But Ellie decides to leave anyway, perhaps to try to protect Peyton as she knows she is going to pass away.

We all sobbed. And David Jackson really directed the hell out of this episode. Directed his pants off, man. My God. And Stacey Rukeyser brought all the feelings in the script. And not mentioned in our synopsis, but someone who certainly deserves a shout-out is Lindsay Wolfington, our incredible music supervisor, who really brought a soundtrack that devastated us all. Wow. And...

I don't know what to say. I'm just trying not to cry. I guess we should get into it. Yeah, I mean. David, this episode was a dance, the way it was directed. It felt like it was seamless. There was never a jarring moment. There was nothing that felt like, oh, I'm watching a show. I felt like I was in it. I mean, I was in it, but. Right, right, right. Oh, we know. I mean, I acted in it, but also.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Cause you know what it was? Um, we have two tempos that we do really well on our show. We do the crowd scenes, the big basketball, uh, montages really, really well with lots and lots and lots of people. Um,

And there were never more than two people in any scene in this episode. It was theater. It was theater. You would get a four-page scene, and you'd have to act the scene and not be dependent on the edit or tricks and stuff like that. And some really powerful monologues in this episode. It was beautiful to watch every pair have their own version of vulnerability. Yeah.

You know, Hillary, you had this amazing dynamic of ease growing with Cheryl and Joy. We finally get to see Haley and Nathan in this. The note that I wrote down on one of my Post-it notes was innocence. Like the kids cereal and the sweet conversation. And it was this innocent moment for these two who'd been through a lot. Yes. And, you know, Brooke lashes out about feeling like

and perhaps not prioritized, and Lucas has to kind of take it. It reminds me of the cartoons when you see somebody put their hand on someone's forehead and that person's just punching but can't reach the person's body. So everyone had their own dynamic, but in these pairs, the vulnerability really ran the gamut. I really, really enjoyed that.

watching everybody just act their faces off. Yeah, maybe that's one of the reasons why I really love this episode because it was theater, like you're saying. It was just us in a room together and...

Yes, it could have been a slightly less exciting with maybe a less skilled director because I think David brought a lot to this in terms of creating the story of the storm as a character and bringing the town together in all of our locations. And I mean, that really, really helped. But at the end of the day, everything was relying on us being able to deliver in each of our respective rooms. And I'm just so proud of all of us. I think we all did a great job.

Good job. Good job, team. Go team. We did good. I love to, you know, what you're saying about David Jackson as a director. You said something at the beginning that illuminated his choices for me. You said it really felt like a dance. Yeah. You keep saying it felt like theater. It felt like you were in these little, you know, black box theaters with these two actors in every spot. Probably helped also energetically by the fact that the rooms were dark. Yeah.

But David did this beautiful thing. Like, you know when you see good ballet and dancers, like, hand off between each other and from one side of the stage you just follow motion? He did that with the camera. Yeah.

Yeah. Yes. Every scene would pass through to the next one. Without it feeling like a device, like we're passing, you know, like in the Breakfast Club episode, that device was used and it worked for that comedy of that episode and sort of where we were. Yeah. But if someone had tried to do that with this episode, it would have felt forced. Yeah. I don't know how, I mean, that was really great. I want to watch it again just from a director's perspective.

to learn because it was so well done. Especially because, you know, we know from having become directors on the show, you can design transitions and things. And so often your coolest shots get lost for time. They're like, we got to get right to the dialogue. And like the thing you spent an hour setting up just ends up on the cutting room floor and you sob. And I'm very curious about how someone...

Like him, who came from much more experience than obviously we did on our first couple of episodes, knew how to create motion that wouldn't be lost and that wouldn't feel like a gimmick. That is a needle to thread. And I agree. I kind of want to watch it again. It felt like our show. It didn't feel like somebody coming in and trying to do their own tricks and experiment and learn how to direct or something. It was like, no, I'm going to honor your show.

Well, and they threw him this huge curveball with also it's going to be a hurricane, which is going to be very expensive, really hard to shoot.

And so all of the things that we had to do in the homes, we had to do that in like three or four days because the vast majority of the time we spent was doing hurricane stuff. Outside. Outside. It was an all-nights episode in the rain. It must have been cold because we had all those scarves. It was awful. But more than that, like once you got wet, you had to continue to do hours of work after that. So do you remember the inflatable hot tub? Hot tub. Full of hot water. Yeah.

For the friends at home that don't know how we do this, hit them. Tell them how we do this. So this episode, you know, aired in February, which meant we were filming it around the beginning of December. And for our friends at home, it doesn't often snow in Wilmington, but it is a cold winter place made a little more...

in terms of how the temperature affects you by the fact that it'll get right around like 34 or 33 degrees, not quite cold enough for everything to freeze, but

but Wilmington's on the ocean, so everything is damp. It's a wet cold. And it's freezing. Bone cold. We'd done some water-based episodes in previous seasons, and everybody got really, really sick. So for this one, they said, we're going to spring, you know, we'll spend some extra money, guys, and we're going to get these inflatable hot tubs. And our sweet FX crew ran hot water in these things, but it was like...

Just above freezing, you'd go and you'd get soaking wet under these freezing cold rain towers. And then they'd throw you in this hot tub, but you were wet, but then it was hot and so it hurt. And it just...

It was also about three o'clock in the morning. Oh yeah. It was all night. It's not like when you go to the, you know, Norwegian spa and you have a dip in the cold tub and then you have a dip in the hot tub and it's the middle of the day at your leisure. No, no, no. You're

like fully clothed. You're fully clothed jumping in these things. So in that whole bit where Brooke and Lucas are like tromping down that road, that was the road behind the studio. Oh yeah. Oh it was. That's great. And they set up that little hot tub thing, the inflatable pool, under a tent because once the towers were going, they take a while to turn on and off and

And I just remember being out there, you know, yelling and stomping my feet, like, back by the airport. And those boots I was wearing would fill up to the top with freezing water every take. And...

And the other thing that comes back to me, it's like I can smell it. The whole thing. Remember the fans? Yeah, those fans are disgusting. To blow the rain. It wasn't enough just to rain on you. It had to blow in your face. They wanted the water to be blowing sideways to look like the worst storm anyone had ever seen.

And so they got these fans, these giant yellow industrial fans that I'm not exaggerating, are as wide around as an airplane. Like if you cut an airplane in half and they put one on either end of the road just off camera, which also meant that the whole episode was like... So we had to go in...

They cut the episode reading our lips in those scenes. Yeah, for sure. And then we had to go to ADR and do dialogue. Could you guys even hear each other? Oh, I mean, we were screaming to hear each other. Did you lose your voice? So bad. Which you can hear in the ADR. You did lose your voice. You did. You sounded like it in the ADR. Yeah.

It was wild. It was so... Oh, my gosh. It's one of those ideas that I don't think they thought through. Like, no one thought, like, hey, we're going to do this thing in the rain and also have to record half the episode all over again. We never ever did those big industrial fans for a hurricane episode again because it cost so much money to do the post-production. Yeah. And, like, things weren't matching. Even when I'm screaming and I'm like, I am not your recyclable.

That's not what I said in the tape that they used. And I was like, guys, we were out there. We were like doing the scene. We're ad-libbing and whatever. If you want the dialogue as scripted, like use any other take other than the one where I said the wrong line. And they were like, we like that one the way it looks the best. So I just yell recycling bin over my mouth.

doing something completely different. I love this. I'm going to need somebody to zoom in on that. That's so funny. That's fun. Yeah. Well, I love this scene that Nathan and Haley have just because it dates our show in such a beautiful way because he has cut out every article on her tour. It's so cute. So romantic. We just freaking...

I can screen grab that stuff now. Yeah, now you just take screenshots. That's right. You have like a note with the links to the online articles, but back in the day they were physical. Boyfriend had a shoebox. Did you guys have shoeboxes? Yes. I still have a box of notes and all that kind of stuff. I mean, did you ever have like a person-specific shoebox? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Did you? I mean, why are we talking past tense?

I might have six or seven of them. You know what? There's something witchy about that. Like, I'm going to keep all the mementos of this person so I can conjure them when I need to. That's right. It's mine. It belongs to me now. Yes, yes. I'm not burning red candles while I look at these things. Yeah, exactly. No, and it's such a thing that, like, you wouldn't expect, like, a jock dude to do. Yeah. Yeah.

Nathan nailed it. I loved it. I loved it too. I remember sitting at that kitchen counter and feeling like in the first scene when he's like, that's how you wore your hair the first time and blah, blah, blah. It was very sweet. Hilary, you pointed out. I loved it. It was very sweet to have someone. I loved it. I remember it feeling really forced. Like we were both forcing our way through that dialogue because it's also so not James. No. To talk that way. It's like, you know, in that sort of...

I don't know. I mean, I was never in that context with him in real life. So I don't know if he really ever does that or not. But it just didn't seem like his personality. And we both seemed to just be having a hard time getting through.

But then once we got into it and we were like down on the floor and by the fireplace and then we were really. In the Renaissance painting? In the Renaissance painting. Wasn't that beautiful? It was gorgeous. It just felt more conversational, I guess, and more playful. And so that felt great. And then out in the rain. When did the notebook come out? I feel like we were just copying that scene because everybody was copying that scene in the rain once. Everybody was kissing in the rain. Every show was like, letters in the rain. It has to happen. Somebody kiss in the rain.

It just dawned on me as you were talking about that monologue being scripted for James. It's a Hugh Grant monologue. Do you know what I mean? Good call. It's absolutely a Hugh Grant monologue. And so to have James, who is very much like a practical man, deliver it is, I mean, I found it very impactful because I was swooning. And you're like, Hillary. I was just like, wow, he remembers all those things. That's fascinating.

I would never have expected that. Can you say it again with a British accent? The two of us were dying at how sweet you guys were and joy. You were like, oh, it was so awkward that day. It's such a testament to how you never know.

how something's going to look to an audience, how it's going to cut together in an edit. Yeah, that's right. And something I always loved, because you guys had to act together the entire, I mean, the entire length of the show. Yeah. Like, your friendship was, like, so often you guys had this amazing, almost like off-camera, almost sibling energy. Yes. And when one of you would be like, what is this scene? It would just be so funny, and it always,

Yeah. We didn't see it, baby. We did, but you know what?

it is kind of the magic, the lightning in a bottle that you don't know how it happens or where it comes from. But yeah, I mean, they would write this stuff for us. And a lot of times we would be like, this is so ridiculous, but we would just commit to it. And it turned out great. And fans loved it. And the chemistry worked and it would just be like, all right, you know, check another box off the list. We did it. It turned out okay. Yeah. I

Well, in this episode, they nailed it. Having you and Nathan like talking about the relationship, talking about the tour, finally addressing the stuff.

Yeah. With Chris Keller, with Tyler Hilton singing. In the background. Lindsay Wilpington. Genius. Him covering Missing You while you guys are getting over the Chris Keller of it all was genius. It's so smart. It's so smart. That's my favorite cover, by the way. I just love his cover of that song. It is.

You know, Chris Keller perhaps is your guardian angel. Maybe you guys would have fizzled out and burned if you didn't have to deal with the, you know, that first little bit of turmoil. But he made you guys really fight for him. That's right. We found our way back. That's great. Friends, we all...

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It was, again, another one of those, like, it's pelting you in the eye. I couldn't look up at him. You guys are always kissing in the rain. Oh, so, and I also had just, I don't know if I had just gotten married when this was shot or if I was about to get married, but I felt suddenly very, you know, I was young and, like, not sure how I should interact with my on-screen husband when I was in a romantic relationship and wanting to, like,

be a good partner in real life, but also wanted to do my job well. And, you know, there were some complications with that anyway. Just, you know, and everybody's feelings and, you know, it just was like, what do I do? And so, and I remember when I was watching this, I was like, he picks me up. Why didn't I wrap my legs around him and just like give him a big hug? And I was like, oh, that's why. Yeah.

I don't know what I'm supposed to do. You're trying to have a boundary. Yeah. I'm like, where is my art and my personal life? And where, you know, it's like young, trying to figure all that stuff out. That stuff was hard. It was hard then. And it's still even weird now. Like when we spent last year up in Canada, I'm having,

having to kiss Edwin and Michael at work and sweet Grant is like, we all hang out like every weekend. Yeah. Are they coming to dinner later? Do I acknowledge that I know that you guys have to kiss at work? Does it make it weird if I say something? Do I crack a joke? Do I not? And I was like, imagine how I feel. I have to do it. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's still weird even as a grown up. I don't know, man. Our jobs are very...

Strange. Well, and the whole. They really are. Let's talk about kissing. God bless our partners. But while we're here, let's talk about kissing. Hillary's going to drop some gems. The hand went up. I'm ready. Because Mouth gives this whole speech, which, okay, we're going to get into the mouth of Rachel of it all. But he gives this whole speech about how I'm not going to kiss you because I'm going to want to do it again and you won't. And I'm going to wait till you want to do it again all the time. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Kids, kiss everything. I'm telling you right now, as a 40-year-old woman, just kiss one of everything. Two of everything. Three, I don't care. Do it. Kiss everything. It's so fun. It's what you talk to your friends about when you're an old person. You're just like, can you believe I kissed that? Yeah, that was awesome. I don't buy into the mouth of it all. I think he should have kissed her. And my face, my face and mouth didn't kiss her.

I was so mad. I was stunned. Horrified. What are you doing? Kid. Yeah. But listen, I do respect that he had, there are some people who can do that, who can just make it super casual because it's just fun. And you understand that you're in high school and nothing is-

lasting forever that starts in high school, generally speaking. Yeah. Except in Tree Hill, where we all stay together forever. Says the one who did the long relationship on screen. Yeah, yeah. Some people are more sensitive than others. I appreciate that Mouth knew that his heart would get attached. Yeah. And so, you know, knowing that he's not that kind of a person, I could appreciate and respect that. I thought he was crazy that night, but, you know.

Yeah. Would you have kissed her? I would have kissed her. 100%. I also, I will say, I liked where that wound up because in the beginning, the things that were written for Rachel to say

Made me feel very uncomfortable. This girl, you know. Yeah. What was that quote? Did we write it down? You have to be mean to girls if you want them to like you. Here it is. You can tell a girl she's nothing and she'll come running. Yeah. Ew. You know, pick out a flaw and then blow it way out of proportion, she says. And I was like, okay.

We know the incredible woman who wrote this episode and the three of us were going, this was a pass by you know who being a bully because, you know, we worked for some people who not only picked on us as women and on our friendships, but really picked on us all.

physically in ways that was real shitty. Like, it just felt terrible. How many times was Peyton called anorexic or bulimic or you've got chickeny legs? Or there was always like a comment about... I was fat ass. That was totally the thing that floated around for me. So frustrating. You know, when you're like 20 and your bosses are talking about you like that behind your back, it's just unbelievable. And it was interesting too, because like...

They figured out how to bully everybody. Like, Hillary, they bullied you for being skinny, and then they always bullied me for not being as skinny as you. Like, there was always a thing. And it was... It just felt horrible. And I think the three of us really went, ugh, when we saw those words coming out of Rachel's mouth, because it felt familiar and...

I was like, oh, there's a trigger. That's what therapists talk about. Look at the three of us having a moment. And then as much as I didn't like that, I understood why they went so far with her in the beginning of the episode so that they could kind of wrap it up near the end of the episode. And you could see that, you know, sometimes based on how we're socialized, girls can be terrible agents of the patriarchy. And then there's sweet mouth saying, okay,

I don't care what she looks like and I'm not going to need it to be this, that, or the other. I'm going to love this girl who loves me and I'll tell her she's beautiful every day and I'll never be mean to her and I'll never pick on her. And I was like, oh man, more mouth. Like, we just needed more of this guy. He said she'll be an elite girl to me. To me. Elite girls, go. What is the definition of an elite girl? When Rachel said that,

Wait, wait. I literally just wrote. But all I did was write it in quotes. Quote, the elite girls. What the? What? You could say, what the fuck is an elite girl? What the fuck is an elite girl? Guys. A cheerleader? I don't know. Brooke. It feels rude. Yeah, Brooke and according to Rachel, they're the elite girls. Come on. We're elite.

I don't know, but I hope there are girl gangs all over America starting right now dubbing themselves the elite girls. Because call it, you know? This is who we are. We're the girls that everybody wants to make out with in the storm. That's a word that I also feel so weird about because if you haven't noticed, it's always like really misogynistic billionaire men who call people who have fractions of their money elite in the world today. And I'm just like,

What's happening? Like, what's going on here? So I feel like I would love to know what elite meant in the sort of cultural lexicon in 2006. Because now it's trash. Stacey was sitting there at her desk and she was like, okay, it's not the it girls. We're not Paris Hilton. We can't be the pink ladies. Yeah, where's my thesaurus? What's a word that means special? Elite, f*** it.

We're going to use elite. These are elite girls now. I think you were right, by the way, Hillary, that she was kind of poking fun at our creator because she, with the poncho, the whole thing with the poncho with Nathan and me, and a lot of the dialogue that Rachel was saying was so, it felt very overly done.

To the point where, yeah, go ahead. It was so overtly...

exact phrases that had come out of his mouth. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So to be able to rebuttal that from like, from mouth's perspective of like, no, this is, and we know he sort of always saw himself as mouth. So I think it's genius level trolling to have a boss and take that. Cause when, when they said like certain things about Rachel, I was like, Oh my God, like, you know, those are things that Mark used to pick on. And what mouth says is, um,

Oh my God, I can't find any flaws in this. You're perfect. And I'm not going to come after you physically and kiss you because it's inappropriate. And so it's basically a female writer's way of putting him in check. Just being like, no, no techie, techie, techie, techie, techie. I like it. I wanted to hear something else with Mark mouth and Rachel that I want to talk about. Um,

When he first is there in the beginning of the episode, he kisses her and she's like, whoa, whoa, what are you doing? Did you just try and kiss me? Or he tries to kiss her or something. And he says, well, you invited me over, you offered me a beer and then turned out all the lights and we're sitting on your bed. Like basically what else am I supposed to think? And she's like, I just thought we were going to hang out or whatever. And he's great about it. He's like, I'm so sorry. You know, it's a really nice example of how to behave. Um,

What do we think of like, is it fair to say that if you're putting out those kinds of signals, it's a fair assumption for the other person to make that this is your goal and

I mean, she definitely put out a vibe. Well, no, hold on. I'm going to go back. Mouth set the tone with the, I'm taking a picture in your bedroom because I want to be able to like show my friends that I was in your bedroom. Okay. Yeah. And she is like, okay, well, if you're trying to impress your friends, let's take like a good photo. And that's when she pulls him onto the bed and is like, let's, you know.

Yeah, yeah. That's a wingman move. That's a move where it's like, you want to look cool? I'm going to make you look really f***ing cool. Yeah. But then... Yeah, she's... I just feel for... I feel for guys like that they're like trying to catch the signals and for girls who are trying to send signals but now we're in a phase right now where it's like, I don't... Guys don't want to pick up on signals because they don't want to be afraid that they did it wrong and then...

We're just sitting here like, well, is he going to make a move or not? Consent is the coolest invention ever because literally all you have to do is be like, you trying to kiss? Can I kiss you? Yeah. That's it. Yeah. It got so simple. Right. Right. And here's what I think is interesting. We're analyzing this as adults. Yeah. I, when I was 16, I was still having sleepovers every weekend. Yeah.

And you are in this gray area where it's like, well, yeah, when my friends come over, we hang out in my room. Like, I don't want to hang out with my parents. Ew. And so what I liked about it was the fact that he went, well—

Because of all this, I was kind of hoping. And she's like, I just invited you to hang out with me. Like, oh, God. Yeah. But they got over it real fast. Yeah. Nobody was like mortified. It wasn't a big deal. It was just like, I tried something. No, thanks. Oh, okay. Sorry. No problem. Let's move on to the next topic. Perfect example. But to Hillary's point, it's mature because it's communicated. Yes. Things get messy when you're not communicating. Right.

And then he was like, sorry, I just kind of was wondering if all this meant. And she was like, yeah, sorry, that's not my intention. And then they let it go. And so that's where I think, to your point, being like, do you want to kiss me? I think I want to kiss you.

Is a great idea. You just ask. And if somebody says no, it's like not the end of the world. And if somebody says yes, you get to make out. Good for you. You know how many more people I would have kissed in high school if I knew that trick of like, hey, do you want to kiss? We used to have to guess, kids. We had to guess if someone wanted to kiss us. And now the rules are different and all you have to do is ask, which is fun. That's like there are fun ways to set it up. Let me know when you're trying to kiss me.

Yeah. And I liked, it interestingly does go back to what he said in the end when he's like, when you wake up and you have to call me, like when I'm the one you want, then we can talk about kissing. And I was like, touche. And then she bounces over to his locker Monday morning. Hi. Hi. But, oh, oh, speaking of the locker.

She made eye contact with Brooke. That was bitchy. She put her arm around mouth. Brooke is right. You can be sweet and bitchy at the same time. I like duality. I did like seeing that. I liked seeing that little moment. That was just a nice little reminder of where we are in the story and in our fairy tale land. That's where we are.

How about Moira? I'm pushing off Ellie because it's the most emotional thing. So how about Moira and Craig, the Keith and Karen of it all? Well, speaking of kissing. In the windows. They got down in the buff. On the couch. On Main Street with windows. A corner building. What a bold move. Not even the kids are doing that on this show.

And we were spicy. It's a lot. Their chemistry was so lovely. And these moments between them were very, they were very sexy, but like tender. And I was like, oh, oh, there's something happening here between these two. I don't know.

I didn't like it. You don't like it at all. I didn't like it. It felt weird. I like... You've never thought they had chemistry. You didn't like it. I like the way that Craig and Barbara acted. Like, I was... I shipped, as the kids say, Deb and Keith. I thought their chemistry was like bananas. Yeah, yeah.

You know, Moira and Craig certainly had like a tender element, but just always kind of felt like, guys, you've been friends for so long. Why are we going to do this? Why are we going to go down this road? What is it about chemistry? Like, how is it that some people just don't click on camera and some people do, even if they're written for each other and they're writing and they're both great actors? Yeah.

It's such a mystery to me what that factor is. It's a chemical. It's a chemical. It's chemical for sure. Must be chemical. Yeah. And it is embarrassing to like, it's embarrassing as an actor to know that the chemicals there. Right. And then have to be like, but it's pretend this is our job. Like there's just a weird dance you have to do in your head where you're like, I don't

don't love this person. I can fake it really well, though, because we both were genetically predisposed with the pheromones needed to create a chemical connection. But also a lot of people who are not remotely attracted to each other have great chemistry on screen. Yeah. Yeah. I would say people who hate each other. Yeah, that happens too. At times. Been there, done that. Yep. Yep.

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I kind of go back and forth. I was watching them when they were talking in the cafe right before the last scene when they were all tangled up in each other. And they do feel like friends. It's a little boring to me. It's not exciting. Sophia, we're going to... Hold on. We're going to bring Sophia over to the dark side. Sophia, Karen and Andy versus Karen and Keith. No, I get it. I...

I think what's interesting, there's so much on our show that's about chemistry, chemistry, chemistry, fireworks, whatever. Yeah. The, like the way that he got real close to her face in the back of the cafe at the top of the episode, right before the blackout and did his whole bit about like single guy, single girl, lots of history. I was like, Oh, okay. And I, and I,

I think perhaps because so much of Keith, the Keith storyline is combative. Him and Dan are combative. Sure. Him and Deb were, they had fireworks, but it was a real bad idea and it made a mess. Everything's messy. And him and Karen are tender. It's a comfort place. And kind of safe. Yeah. Like, I don't know. I...

I feel kind of drawn to that ease and that comfort. Okay. Which maybe is because, you know, I've done enough therapy to no longer be willing to date toxic people. And I'm like, look at that. Emotional safety and communication with two people who genuinely respect each other. I like it. So what you're saying is I got to take a class. I don't know. I'm just saying perhaps I like it now in a way that I might not.

I appreciate what you're saying and I hear you and I honor your truth. See, I'm using my therapy words too. Look at you. Yeah. Okay. So who else? So Dan creeping around in this storm and then getting the key to the lockbox. I'm sorry. In what world? I'm sorry. In what world does a background check?

That you can do on a website, tell you a person has a safe deposit box. I hated that. Especially back then. Back then. When the internet was slick. We were still inventing the internet then. It was a work in progress. That felt really lame. Yeah, they got bored on that one. They're like, just get us from point A to point B. Like, just get us in that lockbox. But, again, we've got these fabulous flashbacks to remind us that Keith didn't take the ledger. It was Lucas. Yes.

Yeah. I just was like, why is the ledger back? And Dan, I guess it would have been, was it last season when he's like, you thought that was real? I set you up to prove that you, you know, are conniving or whatever he said to Lucas. So now it's worth something? Like, I don't know. Wait, and didn't he shred it? And Brooke put it together? Yeah.

Yes. I'm very confused. No, wait. That was long sheets of paper. It was like one long printout. Wait, what was that that I put back together? What was in the ledger? A copy? Was it a copy that Brooke put back together? It was something from Dan's. From the ceiling? Dan shredded a whole bunch of stuff once Lucas had seen the ledger. So I don't know, probably files or something. So.

If you guys are going to be a criminal, do better. Yeah. Like, tidy up. What is Dan even looking for in Keith's place? He just decided to go wander around and poke around because he... And the one picture he knocks over has a key tape behind it. And of course, it's a picture of the two of them from when they loved each other. I don't know. That all felt schmaltzy to me. Yeah, that was this one strange little flashback of the two boys. I mean...

I don't know. It worked within the context of the episode, but it felt like that would have worked better if the whole episode really was about the two of them and their history together like a bottle episode. Yeah. I also, I just have to express something because we're talking about our own sort of lessons in directing and...

And there was so much in this episode that David Jackson did so well. It drives me nuts when directors... And maybe he just wasn't given the time. Let me asterisk that. Seven hours after we filmed all the Storm stuff to do everything else. But, like, when...

Whether it's directors, producers, the whole show, maybe they were running late. You know, working with kids is tricky because you only get them for so much time. But when you don't work with kids enough to get them past the stage where they are saying their lines and looking at the other kid and saying everything is going to be okay, I'm like...

Help these kids talk to each other. And that whole thing felt rushed. Even the way they shot that scene with them, like they never got comfortable with their dialogue. Yeah. And I think that- It had to have been rushed. I think you're right. It must have been. We were always behind the ball on our show with time. We were always scrambling to get the last shot. Yeah. Because, you know-

As happens so often in TV, a studio doesn't want to give you as much of a budget as you need to shoot your show. So you usually do like one to few days per episode. But they also want you to make the biggest show ever. The biggest. They'll give you a lot of money to rent airplane-sized fans, but not to produce the show. So interestingly, I would imagine that was a very rushed thing, especially because they cross-covered it. Like, that's...

That was a rushed scene. But I think the fact that those kids didn't get long enough to really feel familiar with each other made the flashback also stick out in a really, like, what is this kind of way? Yeah.

That's sometimes where the technical stuff shoots you in the foot. You know, man, if we saw like a stand-by-me flashback of Keith and Danny doing something serious together. Oh, would have loved that. That would have been a cool kind of a bottle episode, I think. Yeah. Oh my God, yeah. We never got that. It actually would be a cool series, like a prequel.

Yeah, like how do we get here? Little Karen? Yeah, that'd be kind of fun. Okay. Okay. Things to ponder, friends. Interesting. All right, well, let's talk about the elephant in the room. Oh, man. Golly, Hillary. When you're like... This is good work. No, when you're a little kid and you're like... I don't know, like sometimes you...

think, maybe I'm adopted. I wonder who my real parents are. Like, my best friend Nick swears to God Susan Sarandon is his real mother, you know? Like, sometimes you just see people and you're like, yeah, no, that's who I belong to.

There's just this thing with Cheryl Lee that I still, 20 years out, like cry over her. And it makes me feel like a total weirdo that I've got this like trauma bond to a person who didn't die. She didn't die, guys. She's still around. But your body thought it was real. Yeah. You guys did such beautiful work together. And your fondness for each other comes through.

And it's so genuine. Like every scene with the two of you makes me cry. So then that scene, I was like, I gotta go. I have to leave my own house right now. It wrecked me. God, it killed me. She played that so perfectly too. She was so gentle and genuine and...

Um, she wasn't even conflicted and, and that's what I loved about it. There was, she was sad, but she wasn't conflicted. Like, am I making the wrong decision by leaving or, um, is Peyton going to be okay? Or she had just come to, she'd already had all those conversations with herself and she was just there, um,

to say goodbye. And it was very simple and to hold space for you to start asking all of those questions and go through all of that. And she just wanted to be that safe, stable place. I loved that. And yeah,

I love that they gave her the time and space to have those moments of struggle, even in the end, just in the montage. Those moments, you know, were so beautiful. I like that they trusted her as an actress to do that. And they trusted you and they knew what you were capable of and really gave you guys just such high quality material and moments and space. That's what I felt like. They just backed off.

They meaning the director and the showrunner and everybody who's got their hands in the pot trying to make every, the producers and everybody's trying to make everything something. And I felt the space that you guys experienced in those moments. It was such beautiful work. And, and so many small gestures carried so much weight because of the way that the two of you related to each other, like her saying, you know, let's go out and live and you having this time in the rain and,

You were laughing so genuinely and experiencing these big feelings. And then you come inside and she started brushing your hair. Oh, my God. The hair brushing. Oh, the hair brushing. Don't y'all ever try to brush my hair because it is a sense memory that will destroy me. I think when you're the oldest kid, you...

You your job becomes to help take care of younger siblings. And this is only something that I've figured out as an adult because I've got two kids of my own. The oldest kid stops being touched. There's like a touch thing, a comfort. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. And so you see like your parents like, you know, trying to take care of everybody and like making sure everyone's fed and everyone's at their like school stuff and their after school stuff. And there's a functionality there.

But the eldest kid doesn't get physically touched anymore because the baby always needs it more, especially in like families with big broods. And it's only in making friends with other people from like big families that I've been like, oh, that's why I'm such a weirdo. It's probably why I made out with literally everyone in high school because you're trying to. It's like touch therapy where you're just like. Yeah.

And anybody touching my hair, I mean, you know the connection I had to JoJo on the show. It is a very maternal thing to do that I've always been, I mean, I'm not embarrassed to admit, I'm like super sensitive about it. So you're right, Cheryl Lee brushing my hair. I was like, who dreamed this shit up? I'm not going to be able to get through this scene. Yeah.

You guys saw my face. That wasn't acting. That was just me being like, Oh my God, someone's touching me. Someone's touching me. Someone's touching me. No. When you were leaning into her robe at the end of that scene with the two of you. And she said, my daughter. And then, you know, you just have this one tear. I heard that perfectly. Yeah. It was beautiful. Broke my heart. Well, she, I was really, really sad that we lost her. And I,

You know, sad for Peyton, but also sad for myself because, you know, we've gone on and on about how awesome she is. But I do think the modeling grief for our audience is really important. And now, like, watching this as an adult is so different. This is the first time I've seen this back since, like, it aired, right? How much was our upset based in, but oh my God, Ellie's so young.

You know, like when we did this the first time, she was a grown-up. And I was like, oh, grown-ups die sometimes. She's younger than we are, you know? And the idea that a young woman could die in this way is super traumatic. Like, I mean, what? Cheryl was in her 30s when we shot this. Like, she was so young. And so parents dying young is...

you know, that's a hard thing for kids to deal with. And if our show has been able to help kids navigate it, we had a lot of missing parents. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we had a lot of missing parents, but Ellie's storyline was specifically for the teenager who had lost somebody and was like, okay, how do I go to school on Monday after my parent died? I know. I love that. We've got to model that and that you, you did such a,

care full of a job full of care is what I mean to say in taking care of the hearts of those, those teenagers and those kids that didn't know how to, how to move forward. But they had, they had Peyton, they had our show. They had these moments when they knew that they could just tune in and walk along that journey with somebody else. If they couldn't talk to their friends, if they didn't know how to get through it, being able to see that had to have made a massive difference. I'm sure you hear it all the time from people.

I mean, I've had people reach out just recently on DM and say like, you know, people I love are dying of breast cancer. Will you guys do like a follow-up album ever to Friends With Benefit? And I'm like, I wish I had control over that. Yes. Wouldn't that be great? Wouldn't that be cool? Is that even still on the internet? Like, does that album exist still? I don't know. Are we going to Google this? Is this when our telephones are first?

I mean, oh, so listen. Don't go to the same site, Dan. I just pulled up my music site and Beyonce is up. I don't know. Listen, we're going to need to change pace so I don't cry anymore. Have you all listened to the new Beyonce? No. Because it's on repeat for days. Joy. It's so naughty. It's like, ooh.

It's the perfect palate cleanser for a Crybaby episode like this one. You put on this song, Cuff It, and you're just like, I'm going to go make terrible choices right now. Very on brand with Ellie's messaging of go live a messy life. Don't be scared of anything. It's just life. Listen to Beyonce. Make terrible choices. Yeah. I've read...

I read this article the other day. I can't remember if it was like on Vice or Vulture or something. And they were basically saying that

Beyonce came out and made an anthem to inject culture back into a society that's gone flat from pandemic exhaustion. And I was like, yeah, because every song on this album makes me want to be in the middle of a warehouse in a sea of at least 600 sweaty bodies in the dark dancing.

Like I want to go out like we were, like we did when we were 24. I'm like, let's go. Where are we going? Where can we dance? The best part about Beyonce being exactly our age is that every phase of life we're in, she creates a soundtrack for. And I'm like, girl, how'd you know?

How did you know that that's what I was dealing with? God bless you. Oh, man. Yeah, Joy, that's going to be the thing that makes us all feel better after this episode is just... Oh, good. Oh, good. She was right. Our contest winner, Amanda? Yes. Right? Because she was saying you just have to wait two more episodes. So this is the one she was talking about. I did personally like the last episode, but this one was a clear winner. I

maybe of the whole season for me. I loved this. I walked through every moment with this. I think the mouth and Rachel stuff felt a little...

It felt like they didn't have a lot to write, so they stretched it out a little bit more than necessary just for the sake of being able to cut back and forth. Because I left myself wondering, or it left me wondering, what's the point of this? Where are we getting? But, of course, we finally got there, so I really loved that. But anyway, I loved this episode. I did too. And I like that Brooke asserted herself. Like, I'm not getting hurt again. Like, explain to me why me. Yeah.

I'm going to ask you pointed questions and I want a serious answer and I'm not going to let you flirt your way around this anymore. Yeah. She was right too, by the way. Yeah. You don't sign off the same way you signed off to an ex-girlfriend. No. Get out of here. No, no, no, no, no. No. Especially after you're like, let's check in on her. No, we will not. We will not. I am...

Yeah, I loved, I did really love the way Stacey wrote those scenes. I thought. It's beautifully written, all of it. To let Brooke really express and get to the core of why she's having trust issues. Look, you betrayed me. I don't trust you. You have to tell me more. It's not dissimilar to what Haley was saying to Nathan. I'm sorry. I just, I have so many questions. I need to talk about it.

You know, when you need to know more so that you can understand where you stand with someone. Well, and Peyton does that too. She says, I need to talk to you about the cancer. All three of us do that in this episode. Explain it to me like I'm a kindergartner. Hmm.

Yeah, it was very well done. And oddly, even comes back to the conversation about Mouth and Rachel and kissing. It's about communication. You gotta communicate. Because the reality of being a human is that if you're not communicating with the people in your life, your brain is filling in all those gaps with whatever story serves your fear or your anxiety or whatever. And so it's so much better to...

To talk about it. And yeah, I... Talking sexy. Talking it out. Talking is so sexy. Super sexy. Dude, that actually... Big time to tell you guys. I looked at our prep doc for this week and got so excited because one of our listener questions is from this girl, Emily. And she said, what do you think your character's love language is? And I'm like...

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What are our listener questions this week? Yeah. Well, I mean. Words of affirmation. Yeah, joke aside. What do we, yeah. Words of my love language is touch. That's Emily's question. What's your character's love language? Peyton's is probably touch too. If her mom's been dead for years and her dad doesn't touch her, like touch is going to be like a sensitive subject for her. Yeah.

Yeah. I would say maybe acts of service for Peyton too, because she's doing everything herself that when people do things to help her. Oh my God. How do you, how does she feel about that? Is it like, leave me alone. Let me do things myself. Well, you clearly see her fall for Lucas later. Cause he's like comes into her kitchen once and sweeps things up. And like, he like helps her do things. And yeah,

Jake never does that. You know, like none of the other boys that she dates does that. It's like Lucas is the person that shows up and does manual labor at her house. And she's like, I think this is cute. That's right. What's Brooks? I mean, definitely words of affirmation for her. I think especially because she comes from a family where her parents don't talk to her about anything. And yeah, I would likewise say acts of service. It can be hard for her to receive help.

That's something, that's an arena in which we're certainly similar. So when people do it because I refuse to ask for it, it's like, it's earth shifting. It's so meaningful to me. Yeah. And I think that's something we have in common. It also took me years to realize that

You know, I'm a bit of a magpie. I like to collect and nest and build. It took you years to realize that, Sophia? Because we could have told you as your friends. No, but you know what I have to say? Trinkets. Like, I'll be vulnerable here. Like,

As a younger person, when people started talking about love languages and people were like, gift giving. I was like, how shallow. Gift giving. Annoying. And then I started to realize like, oh no, gift giving is such a love language to me. Yeah. Like, I love nothing more than being out in the world and seeing something and going, that's Hillary. Oh, that joy would love that. And collecting little things and like,

I realize I'm not even a person who saves things for people's birthdays. Like you both know this. You'll just get a package from me. Yes. Because I get excited. I'm like, I collected all these little things for you and I want you to have them. Yeah. And like, I'm like, oh, I'm a squirrel. Like I just, I just grab them and then I bury them. Joy's a garden fairy. Joy will send you like a box full of citrus. Those citrus Joy would send me from California so I could make things here at the farm. I would be like, it's gold in a box.

Gift giving is treasure hunting for your loved ones. Let me tell you, if you actually receive something from me in the mail, I love you because I cannot get to the post office for my life. Not to save my life. It's so hard for me. I don't know why. And I do the same thing. So if I like to buy things that remind me of people, but then they sit

on a desk. Like I'll even put them in the box. I get them ready to go. And then, you know, the box ends up at the bottom of a pile and then it's like a year later. And I'm like, what's in here? Let's open this up. You know what changed my life? Cause I've done that for years. You and her, the same. I finally signed up. I have a FedEx account and I have a UPS account.

I have those too. And I go online and I log in and I print a label and I schedule a pickup. I can't be bothered. Isn't that cool?

haven't seen the inside of any post office that isn't like a cute post office from the 50s in a little town where I'm like, oh, I got to go in there and buy some stamps. Like that is like a community service project to me. But you think I'm going to go to the post office in L.A.? Absolutely never. So it's only since I finally was like, I'm an adult. I've managed to pay my mortgage for a long time. I have to figure out how to get the mail out of this house. And

That's it. Like, that's where the internet has been helpful to me. But if it wasn't for that, you never would have gotten your tumblers and Hillary never would have gotten the mug with her initials on it. Joy, we're just going to find you like a brawny mailman that has to come by once a week and pick up your packages. Or I just need like a scale. Yeah.

I need what the post office has where it's a scale and then there's a keypad on it. And then I punch in the address and the weight and then the scale prints the label for me and then I just stick it on the box. That I could do. It's the getting online part that is just an endless abyss of pain.

Baby, if Dan Scott can find a... If Dan Scott can find that little box that Keith had in 2005, we can find you a scale machine. We're going to find you the scale printout machine. Oh my God.

I believe in the power of our audience. That's what I need. Wait, so wait, what's Haley's love language? Did you say? Yeah, I think she's acts of service and probably words of affirmation. Actually, I don't know if she is words of affirmation because Haley does seem to call bullshit on a lot of things and she's very like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you say it, but show me, show me, show me. Yeah. So I don't know, maybe it's acts of service and what are the other ones? Gift giving, acts of service, physical touch,

Words of affirmation. Words of affirmation. And quality time. Quality time. That's what it is. It's quality time for her, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I think that makes a big difference. And then we have Danielle who says, how different would the show have been if Dan and Deb had another child once they were older and more established? Oh. So if Nathan had a little brother, do you think there would be a different dynamic or drama if Nathan had a kid sister or brother? I wonder if they ever thought about that. That's interesting. Hmm.

I mean... I feel like it kind of would have been a distraction. I don't know that Deb would have been willing to have... She stuck around that marriage for a long time. To have another kid with Dan? God bless her, but... I don't know. No, sometimes it can take the heat off of... Well, it's a... You know...

It can either take the heat off of the first kid or then you could just pit the kids against each other. And it becomes a daddy loves you more, mommy loves you more kind of situation. I don't know. They're so gross. Dan did it with Nathan and Lucas and they didn't even grow up in the same house together. But we went through that whole dynamic where he moved Lucas in and...

I definitely think he would be the kind of parent who'd pit the kids against each other. Yeah. And I wonder if, you know, do you think having a girl would have changed him? Do you think having a daughter would have been, uh, he would have been Trumpy with her. It would have been weird. Yeah. Like, I can't even say it. Oh,

I know exactly the photo you're picturing right now. You know what I'm talking about. He would have been gross. Yeah. Dan Scott would have been the man who said, is it wrong for me to want to date my daughter? Yeah. Oh, you guys, I'm going to barf. That's right. He picked up Haley's bra and he would hang out outside of the shower where Peyton was. Ew. Yes, you're right. Gross. Nasty. I really think Deb...

She knew he was a terrible parent. She saw the way that Dan was willing, like the deep misogyny that you have to be capable of to literally get two girls pregnant at the same time and watch them both have your kids is pretty gnarly. And I think Deb would have observed the dynamic Dan had with Keith, which was so cruel and said, either way we would lose. Like, no. Yeah. Yeah.

She had to know. But I will say as, you know, as an only in my life, yeah, man, like being the only one, it's a lot of pressure. And my parents are pretty great. They're not like Dan and Deb, but it is a lot of pressure. There's no one else to pull focus. So there is a lot of expectation, attention, you know,

There's a lot you have to kind of live up to. Yeah. But I would, if I put myself in Deb's shoes, I think she likely would have said, I'd rather focus on one than run the risk of either of these dynamics I've seen Dan have in his life that have been so toxic. Yeah. She probably secretly got her tubes tied or something. Right. Don't tell anybody.

Oh, guys, thanks for walking through this wild hurricane of an episode with us. We hope you enjoyed it. Let's spin a wheel. Most likely to... Okay, most likely to have the messiest trailer on set. So I guess we're not doing character options. This one's going to burn, guys. I mean, I feel like this may...

I was going to say it's either you or me. It's definitely you two because I don't bring shit into my trailer. No, you don't, Hillary. I do a full move in. Yes. Sophia, you had like artwork. We came

to visit you in Toronto you had like dishes and things in your trailer like you had moved in like it was an apartment I loved it oh cause all that single you shit on set makes me so crazy I do I bring like camping gear yeah I bring lamps cause the lights in there are terrible

Joy brings plants and crafts. Always. It's a full, but I think that's, I was inspired. I remember walking into your trailer and seeing all of your apartment in your trailer. And I was like, oh my gosh, we could do this. This is an option. And so the difference though, is that you're capable of keeping it all organized and putting everything back. Yeah.

I didn't know that I wasn't really capable of that until I brought it all in. And then I was like, oh, it feels like a bomb went off every day. Oh, my God. Maybe I need to take baby steps with this product. I thought it was whimsical. I appreciated it. Yeah. You were also like painting in your trailer. I'd come in and there'd be like watercolors out. I was like, what are you doing?

This is amazing. Yeah, pillows and crafts and sewing and all kinds of fun stuff. You know. Got to keep your brain busy. That's what I'm saying. There's a lot of sitting around. I love it. All right, guys. Well, that hit too close to home. Thanks a lot, everybody. We'll see you next week with Season 3, Episode 14, All Tomorrow's Parties. Bye. Bye-bye.

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