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I thought there was a good writing in this episode too. Arlie Fleming Jr. wrote this one. The synopsis here is basketball season starts at Tree Hill High with a disastrous midnight pep rally, which neither of us ever did. Girl, I know a pep rally. I can move around a pep rally blindfolded. This was bonkers. I know. I know you do.

Everyone's throwing punches. It goes crazy. Brooke is threatened by a new girl, Rachel, on the cheer squad, our beloved Danielle Harris-Ackles. And Nathan puts Haley to the test. He just openly tells her, I'm testing you. And forces her to work with Chris Keller, which is really just our excuse to get Tyler back on the show. I love him. Oh, he's so good.

And then Whitey, who is super kind of nice and cheery this whole episode, all of a sudden has a big blowout when he has to make a decision about forcing Nathan and Lucas to work together again. And then Dan gets a surprising opponent running against him for mayor.

Lots happening. But we don't talk about Peyton in this synopsis. I don't know why, because this was my favorite part of the whole episode, was the Peyton storyline. Hey, thanks. Yeah. Before we get into any of it, should we tell people about what we've been cooking up for our one-year anniversary? Should we tell them? Let's tell them. Let's tell them. You know what?

idea came to us kind of during the Dare Night episode because we love a scavenger hunt. Like, we... No, literally, like, I did that for my birthday one year. That's right, you did. It was so much fun. I had all my friends come...

We all met in one place. Everybody got a little booklet with a glue stick and a Polaroid camera. And then they got a list and they had to go. We all had to go out on the town. We had like an hour and a half and you had to go find all these things in the street and random things, you know, roll a toilet paper from a restaurant, bottle caps from a bar, a chalk outline on the street, you know, and you had to take a Polaroid of your team with the thing and then paste it into the book. And whoever made it first, you know, got the prize. Yeah.

I remember like kissing a dude because he had a scavenger hunt written out on his t-shirt. It was his like bachelor party. And it was like, you have to kiss a strange blonde woman. And I was like, I'm a strange blonde woman. It's me. I'll do it.

Yeah, you know, it's an excuse to goof around and have some fun. And so we wanted to create a cyber scavenger hunt for our fans because we really have been so lucky that so many of you spend your week with us. Yeah. We've got some—this is a big payoff, too. This is not just like, oh, it's cute. Like, y'all are going to freak out. It's not just a T-shirt, Joy. Tell them what they're going to win. Yeah.

Here's what you're going to win. We're going to explain the rules of the game in a minute, but what you're going to win is this. You get a Zoom with the Drama Queens. I think that's going to be really fun. Chatting it up. Sorry, my dog is drinking out of the water bowl right now. It's the loudest thing in the world. Are you good, Heidi? She's like banging her metal collar against the thing. You're going to win a Zoom with the Drama Queens. So all three of us are going to sit and have a chat with you. Super fun.

You're going to win a trip. A trip.

to North Carolina, to Wilmington, North Carolina, which includes... Hillary, tell them what's in it. Baby. It is domestic round-trip airfare. Let's see. What else do we got here? It's for a winner and one guest. For the winner and one guest. Hold on. I'm zooming this up. We got a whole list, folks. All right. So you're going to get domestic round-trip airfare for the winner and a guest. You are going to get two nights in a hotel and a $500

$500 Visa gift card. It's just some spending cash for that river walk so you can pretend you're Nathan and Haley sitting there by the Cape Fear River. Maybe we'll try and find a little bracelet to throw in there for you too. Oh my gosh. It's so exciting. We've been working on this for a while because we wanted to make it really special for you guys. We wanted you to feel everything that we felt when we were back there in Wilmington and just still experience the town the way that it is

with all of the history that we walked through all those years ago. And we want you to be a part of that. So here's how we've structured this so that you can win this trip and this Zoom. You're going to follow the instructions on Drama Queens OTH on Instagram. So it's at Drama Queens OTH, which hopefully you're already following. If you're not, do it right now. That's right. Now's your time. We're going to post 10 questions that

that only true drama queens would know? Explain a little bit about that. Yeah, so here's the deal. Everybody knows all the One Tree Hill trivia on the internet. It's out there. There's like Wikipedia pages about who kissed who and this and that. We wanted to really reward our listeners. And so these 10 questions are things that you would only know

know if you have listened to our episodes. We have carefully crafted these. So that's the scavenger hunt. If you haven't caught up on all your episodes, now would be a great time to do it. Because, yeah, these are all the kind of behind the scenes questions that we've had a lot of fun digging into. And yeah, the harder, the better. Make it hard.

So what you're going to do is once you know the answers to those questions, you're going to email dramaqueens at iheartradio.com. Super easy. dramaqueens at iheartradio.com.

Or you can DM us at DramaQueensOTH and put your answers to the questions right on in there. And for anyone who answers all 10 questions correctly, you will automatically get placed in a drawing. It's a standard raffle. We're going to stick your name in there. And one person is going to be chosen. One winner at random. And you will get...

A Zoom with the Drama Queens and a trip to Wilmington, North Carolina to see where it all began. Well, we'll probably also like tell them where to go in the Zoom. Like we should Zoom before they go on the trip so we can be like, go here, go here, go here. Oh yeah, we have to. We have to. Or while they're there. Ooh, that's good too. That's fun too.

Yeah. We're going to have lots of good advice for you guys. It's going to be so fun. I can't wait to see who wins this. Cause we do have some like really loyal fans that we're on a first name basis with now. And I feel like they're like dibs dibs. Yep. I'm coming for it. Get on over there and check it out. Awesome. Can't wait. Awesome. And thank you to I heart for helping us set that up. They've been really cool about, you know, letting us connect with our fans in this way. Um,

So, yeah. Okay, this episode, Bananas Joy.

Yeah. I mean, it wasn't as big as the last episode, it felt like. But I did like that they went back in time. Have we done that yet on this show? I think we have. Three days before or something? This didn't have every... I mean, we had another... We went from having a huge party last episode to a huge pep rally this episode. Yeah. Lots of extras. Continually trying to one-up themselves. I remember our crew getting fatigue at this point, just being like...

Bro, can we just have a couple like quiet episodes where people just like talk and cry? What happened to people making moody faces and just like crying? Can we do more of that, please? No, no. We're going to teach you a dance routine. That'll be easy. Hayley becomes a cheerleader in this episode. I love it. Hayley should have always been a cheerleader. Yeah.

I like that she kind of finds her way into it begrudgingly. I looked like I was 11 years old in that cheer costume standing up against the wall behind Brooke. I love that you call it a cheer costume. What's it called? It's a uniform, Joy. Oh, sorry. Yeah, it's a sport. Okay. You're like, we went to cheer rehearsal. What are the basketball auditions? What are those happening? Okay.

Yeah. No, I thought the whole pushback that Haley had, that scene that you and Sophia had in the apartment where she is so pleased with herself that she came up with this genius plan and you're just like, yeah, nah.

You guys make such a good pair. Yeah, it was fun. It was really nice to see that chemistry happen. I like that they leaned into that this season. Because you and I got some real time in the first season. Yeah. And then they had to break us up so you and Brooke could get together. Totally. I know.

But yeah, we did. And I like where Brooke's at right now. And I think it's really fun. She was having a lot of fun with her character. Sophia was having a lot of fun with her character in this episode. So much pouting and petulant stomping around and, you know, a bed of her own making that she's had to lie in. Well, her writing's so good in this. What does she say that one time? She goes, oh, great, we solved your riddle. Let's get back to mine. Yeah. Yeah.

Fantastic. We've solved your riddle. No, the writing for Brooke is really good. They zoned in on her. Yeah, they figured out how good she is at comedy and they went, oh, let's write to that because we need more of that on the show for sure. Thank God.

Yeah. Well, this midnight pep rally, she is, you know, there's like two different authoritative groups running this pep rally. You've got Nathan on his like power spree being, I'm a captain, I'm captain, captain. And then Brooke is like, I'm captain. And they're kind of running these parallel. It was fun. Yeah. These like aggressive captain maneuvers, which is.

As someone who's been a captain, that is not how you run your ship. Boo his. Ooh, how do you do it? Talk to me about being a cheer captain. Because you are a natural leader, Hillary. Well, I wasn't cheer captain senior year. That was Ashley Dawson and Anika King, and they were so good. But I was cheer captain sophomore year for JV. Okay.

I got too dark as I got older. Like, I was Peyton Sawyer. I had a megaphone with, like, a picture of Charles Manson on it and, like, all these, like, super angsty, like, quotes. I'm broody. I'm mad, but I'm also here in these bloomers. So, you know, call it what it is. Yeah, you don't do that shit. There was a girl who was a year older than me who was a really awful captain like that, and...

And nobody liked her. And this is a terrible story. We became grownups and she went and she interviewed for a job at one of my friend's offices. And she was just like, we can't hire her. She's a terrible cheer captain. Oh, my God. It comes back to haunt you, man. Don't be a dick. That's just true. It's life. No, I've never heard of this midnight pep rally thing.

Yeah, Midnight Mass. I know, but Midnight Pep Rally. You can get people to show up at church at midnight, but not a pep rally? That seems backwards somehow. Well, and it's only on Christmas. That's Christmas Eve joy. People only go to church on Christmas Eve at midnight. That's true. Yeah, for Midnight Mass. Yeah. If anybody out there did have Midnight Pep Rallies, tell us, because I went to a huge football school, and it was like,

I don't know, you didn't want kids out roaming the town at 1 o'clock in the morning. That seems weird. That seems so weird. But that's kind of our MO, isn't it? That they're all out at trick, at these lock-in parties, and at these parties where there's alcohol, and parents just seem to be totally fine with their kids going to this club that's run by a high school girl where there's liquor and crazy bands coming in. Was it liquor or was it just like, you know, soda pop?

Do we remember if that was actual liquor behind the bar or if they replaced? Well, I knew that they had bartenders there, but then on these all ages nights, maybe they would lock it up. No, I mean in real life. Oh, I mean in real life, I had a water bottle full of liquor, so I have no idea what was going on behind the bar.

I didn't have to go behind the bar. I know. I don't know. I feel like there were some of the bottles were all sealed up, but some of them were open. And I, I feel like at some point we got in there and tried to discover which ones were real and which ones weren't. Somebody had to have filled some up with real stuff. You know, the crew had definitely had some long days and they were like, somebody go find the Jack Daniels. That's like the fourth one on the right. The props department. Can we call it the art department, please? Um,

Yeah. Did you have pep rallies at your high school? We did. I think I went to a few, although our high school was, we did do basketball, but we were bigger in soccer. Oh, cool. Yeah. I went to Eastern Christian, EC High in North Hale in New Jersey. What up, New Jersey? What up, New Jersey?

And they were big. It was a big, big soccer town. So we did a lot of those. And I did go to a lot of the soccer games. I didn't go to many of the basketball games. EC Eagles. I was a cheerleader for a semester. Yes. For which sport? I think it was basketball. Yeah. I don't know why I didn't. I just couldn't. I didn't care. I think that's what it was. I had a hard time caring about it. I appreciate you saying that.

You're like, you guys, you're jumping up and down. Is it helping? Is it really helping? Are the boys going to shoot more baskets because you're jumping up and down? I feel you on that. I get it. Yeah, I guess I thought my time would just be better spent somewhere else. I was like, I'm in this skirt and I'm learning how to throw my arms in these weird positions and it's not.

I don't know. It wasn't for me. I mean, obviously a lot of people really love it and they're great for pep. They get the crowd excited. I've never been one of those people that's like, good morning, I said good day. You hate that. You posted on social media the other day. How much you hate the, I said good day. Friends, we all.

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I think it's such a perfect spot for Paul. It's applicable. I mean, I know people that run for local office and they're not. I guess when I was a kid, I thought it was like, I don't know, kind of untouchable people that would run for these offices. And now that I'm a grown up, I'm like, no, that's just that dude from down the street. Like they're not different from us. They're just, you know, they've got time on their hands. Yeah. It's just Karen that runs a cafe. It's just Karen. Yeah.

Yeah. The whole, like, you pointed this out. You're like, literally every character in our show hates Dan, but somehow the whole town loves him. Yeah. I don't know how that works. It's strange. Also, as someone who has been to a lot of pep rallies, like a lot, I've never seen a parent run them. Like, where's the principal? That's usually the person that's, like, on the microphone. And maybe you let a parent talk for two seconds, but...

I guess Whitey was the one who was sort of leading the fray, but it should have been a kid. I mean, that's right. It's like the kids kind of run the pep rally. That's what's exciting about it. It's so weird to see like this grownup who's literally at the school every single day. Like Dan lives at the school.

Or in the mayor's house. Logistically, I cannot figure this out. Okay, so yes, I get that the whole thing about people who are abusive is that often they're pillars in the community. Everyone loves them and it's just in their home. They're monsters. That happens. I know that's real. And I've experienced some of that in my life. So I know firsthand that it's real. However, Dan is not just...

to the like four or five people in his little circle. I mean, you don't get to be that kind of a megalomaniac unless you're screwing people over left and right. He runs a dealership. You know he's in dirty deals with everybody all the time. Selling lemons, man. He's screwing people. He walks around looking for ways to screw people over. So how does he not, in a small town like that, have a terrible reputation? Like how? I don't understand. Anybody who went to high school with him knows like, oh yeah, Danny, he's...

a dick. I know the kids I went to high school with that were dicks and I would never vote for them for mayor. And he's still in the town that he went to the high school where he went to high school. Ooh, yeah. Yeah. Where are all like the kids that he picked on in high school or that, or like the girls that he like, you know, cheated on Karen with all that kind of. I know now that we're older and I enjoying the adult storylines more, um,

That's the kind of stuff I wish we would have seen. That would have been really fun. Listen, the fact that Dan had to campaign at all is weird. If he's running unopposed, but he's still having to do this whole like, these are the billboards. This is my jersey getting retired. Here are my pamphlets and my buttons. Like what kind of dork campaign? Just blowing money if he's unopposed.

This was not thought through as well as it should have been. No one in our writer's room ran for local office ever. No. You know what they did think through, though? This war of the roses between him and Deb.

I'm loving this storyline. I want it to go on forever and ever. I'm obsessed. So this is the episode where Dan puts Deb's toothbrush in the toilet, and then she shows up with her whiskey in her lingerie at the morning meeting for Mayer with the— Who were the pillars of the community? Financiers. The financiers. Oh, my God. And Barbara is so brilliant. She's so funny, but she's also so hot. Like, really?

It's insane how hot she is. What a great opportunity to just show off how smoking hot she is. Can you see my ass in this? Yeah, just so cute, so likable. Yeah, and I like, you know, we were asking the last episode, is Deb going to sabotage his campaign, you know? And so it's great to see in this episode that little sidebar conversation that she had with Karen where she's like,

I can make it messy for him. I have some ideas. Let's do that. Okay. It's the most fun. We should have, it'd be really fun to have Barbara back to talk about doing this stuff. Cause this is when she got really got into the fun part of her work. Well, and also, so if she's, I'm trying to think here just storyline wise, cause she went from being real like square and like serious and

And we're watching this slippery slope where like party Deb comes out. She's already gone to rehab for pills. Yeah. Which were not party pills. Those were downer pills. Those were to like put her to sleep. Now she's like using the alcohol as a way to get it down and just kind of make a scene until it's not funny anymore. Like at what point does it go from being like, oh, this is something I'm doing to mess with you to, oh, oh, now I'm a mess.

I know she's always seemed to have it all together. And that's probably, I think, why Dan married her, right? It was, I can see a successful future with this woman. She's going to be the wind beneath my wings. She's a go-getter. Yeah, she's going to carry me into all the places I need to go. And her dad had money. And so Deb sort of always had it together. So it's been fun watching her grow.

unravel a bit um but also yeah that's there's a there's a painful element of that too there's it's it's hard to see it's hard to see someone go through that where they don't know they don't know really where they belong anymore and he's been gaslighting her their entire marriage so it's she's kind of figuring out who she is again for the first time probably since high school or college

Well, it's fun to, like you said, watch this back as an adult and be closer in age to the adults on the show than the kids. And I think when we originally did this, I didn't really buy into the whole, like, Deb getting wild storyline. I didn't either. When we were filming it, I was like, this is so silly. Who?

mother would do that and I'm gonna tell you what mother would do that us us mothers joy us y'all ain't seen nothing till you seen joy and I out at a French nightclub or making poor choices somewhere we joke about making poor choices but god bless them we have fun yeah I get it now because it's like you're still young you've got all these responsibilities and

But inside, we all still feel like 15, 16 years old. That's what blows me away about getting older. I really always... It's so weird to see... Was this in the episode last week that we watched? Somebody said... Oh, it was about Tommy Lee. And Sophia said it. She said, he's like 40 and he looks like that. Yeah.

Yeah. It was so funny, but it really, we, and we laughed about it when we were watching it, but it's still true. It's still a hurt. I was like, Oh God, now that I'm getting older, I'm getting older. And I look at kids and I see they're so young. And I remember thinking about people who are our age and like they, they're so old and they've got it all together and they're, and you know, if,

They just like they had all the answers. We certainly don't. No, guys. I'm a child inside. I still feel like a kid. Hence the reason I'm still around boys like that doesn't go away either. Like a cute boy starts talking to me. I'm like, OK, Mr. I don't know how to function. I'm like 16 all over again every time. You seem to handle yourself very well with Chris Keller in this episode. You were like, oh, not today.

Boo his. Haley's good at it. Haley knows what's up. What do you think is at the crux of that whole thing? Do you really think that Nathan thinks he can trust Haley or is he just trying to create an aha, like a gotcha moment? I think he is trying to figure out if he can trust her. And this is his weird...

high school way of doing it. I mean, that's what I keep remembering when I watch the show. We have to remember they're high schoolers. Peyton's massive up and down, up and down, up and down with Ellie. You know, she walks in, sees the article, and suddenly it's like, it's all for exploding. It's all for nothing. I hate you. Don't ever talk to me again. An hour later, I'm sorry. I'm really sorry. But that's high school. So I think that's what Nathan's doing. I think he's just trying to figure it out.

I don't know. Do you think it's a reasonable way of going about finding out if you can trust someone or not? It certainly seems efficient. It's like walking into traffic. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, it is rather than be passive aggressive. It feels aggressive, aggressive. Like, you know what? Let's just strip all the bullshit away. If you can work with him and you don't have feelings for him. Fantastic. Show me if you do have feelings for him.

I think the thing that's complicated as an adult is that we know that attraction and relationships are not some magic spell where you're only attracted to one person and you're only in love with, you know, like being in a monogamous relationship is a choice. And you will find 8 billion other people in the world attractive, but your choice is to be with the person you're with and to honor them and respect them.

And so I think it's reasonable that Haley can still think Chris Keller is like charming because he is. He's so fun. Even Nathan was trying not to like him on the basketball court. He had that little smirk when Chris walked away. He's like, see, he's likable. I think that's the redemption. It's not that Haley has to prove herself with Chris Keller. It's that Nathan has to spend some time with him and be like, you know what? I get it. I get it.

This is, it's not romantic, but it's fun. This is fun. As opposed to all the serious grown-up shit that we've been doing, this dude represents levity and, you know. Nathan kind of needs a pal right now too, which just seems like this is maybe going to happen. Like somehow Chris is going to endear himself to, because I feel like eventually that's where it goes. It's the devil you know. Yeah, exactly. Nathan definitely doesn't really have a friend right now.

What's going on with him and Lucas? Why is he being such a total... I don't know. Well, I should say he's just very instigate... Instigative? That's not the right word. He's instigating things. I'm the captain. I'm the captain. Yeah. It's so weird because he did all this work to not be a jerk. And he's been the star player on the team for a couple years now. So being captain senior year isn't like...

A big deal. Like he went to High Flyers. Of course he's going to be the captain. Yeah. But Lucas, Lucas was with him the whole time Haley was gone. They were free. They went to the racetrack. Lucas was there to, you know, help him get through that. They became good friends. They were living together. So it's just seems strange just because I mean, he's a Nathan still hates Dan. So I just, it feels a little out of left field that just because Lucas was looking into Haley,

Dan's past and kind of setting him up with Andy and all that, that suddenly Nathan's like, I hate you. I don't get it. That's... I feel like I missed something in the episodes I wasn't here for. Like, did they... What'd they do? It seems like Lucas is always defending Hayley. You know, like, that's how the episode opens. He's like, be nice to your wife. I'm telling you to be nice to her. Whitey says it best. I mean, he says to Dan...

At the beginning of the episode, damn your sperm, Danny. When the boys come tumbling out, maybe they are just like genetically predisposed to turmoil. God, those poor boys. Yeah. He really put them through it. Yeah, Dan running for mayor is funny, but I love this Karen coming back and saving the day.

This is exciting. You know what? Moira needed a storyline, too. She wasn't doing anything. She hasn't been doing anything for a while. Well, because they didn't want to pay any of her romantic interests. Like, Craig's gone. Kieran's gone. Andy's gone. I know. Larry's off busy with Ellie now. Damn. Let's talk about that, because that was my favorite storyline. Everything else in the episode was interconnected, except the Peyton and Ellie stuff. And that felt...

That felt kind of ground in the way that you were saying the last episode, Haley's groundedness storyline with all the chaos going on at the party. I felt the same way about Peyton and Ellie in this episode. You had some really nice work. It was, it was really just subtle and, and again, grounded. And, and God, Cheryl was so good too. Even the moment where she's on the MRI table and the going back to go into the machine, the CAT scan machine, which we were talking about.

That was like 10 seconds. A shot of, you know, they did a close-up of her face and she was upset. And then they did the wide shot of her going into the tunnel. But they had to drive over there with all the trucks, go into the hospital, set the trucks up. Because this is before we had the hospital set, I believe. Well, I mean, we wouldn't have had all this MRI equipment. There's no way that we would have had this. No.

So they had to set all that up, get her into a thing, you know, then they had to do the close-up shot of her face, then the wide shot. It's so funny how that probably took like five hours all in all, but, you know, for 10 seconds. It's amazing. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's those little parts of the show where you're like, do we really need this? Right? Like, this is going to eat up a third of a day, if not half of a day of filming. Do we really absolutely need this 10-second shot? Yeah.

We did. I think so too. Yes. Because someone telling you they have cancer is one thing, right? And this is like in anything in storytelling. Saying it, okay, fine. Showing it is entirely different because without saying a word, we felt her fear. We felt the cheat that she's such a young woman on this table, you know? Yeah.

And the fact that she's going through this medical treatment in a town that she doesn't live in. She's been living in a motel just to be close to this kid. She's not with her family. I don't know. She's alone. Yeah. I don't know where she's supposed to be from, but she references her parents in this episode. She's like, my parents were hippies. You know, I wish Peyton would have followed up because those are her grandparents. I know. You'd think she wants more details. But I did like this. I really liked you guys' interaction in this. And, uh.

God, more hospital stuff. We're just in the, somebody's always in the hospital on our show. You know, it really was a missed opportunity that none of us became a doctor because that would have been the spinoff. Why didn't anybody become a nurse? How did nobody become a nurse or a doctor or a scientist or something? It's the one profession.

We had like clothing designers and sportscasters and like musicians and writers. Yeah, it was all artsy. You know what? That's what it was. It was all kind of like self-aggrandizing. Like nobody went into service, you know? Like everyone was just like, I want to work a spotlight job. I don't want to help anybody. Yeah.

That's what it is. That's the ego behind all of it. You're right. We should have had somebody. Who would have become a doctor? Not me. Peyton's like, nah, hospitals. Yeah. Hate them. Lucas would have been a good doctor because that would have been really, I mean, not that we need like another, can't really spin off a show off of a main character. You have to like have a side character.

it's probably like like one of the river court boys like fergie yeah or john yeah or skills oh yeah nurse skills skills he could have been i would feel confident if a nurse came in like if i needed stitches and i was like hi i'm hillary and they're like i'm skills great sew me up fix me you

I want you. Yeah. Okay. Well, we're going to have to talk to Antoine about that. That's going to be fun. That's a medical show I want to see. Skills. Nurse skills. Nurse skills.

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Okay, so speaking of like new characters and side characters, we got a whopper this episode. Rachel was introduced last week, but didn't really have a lot to do. She was just kind of like a seed that was being planted. We got the full Rachel this episode. Oh, it was glorious. Love her.

Yeah, I did. I didn't love the way that clearly she was being treated by her bosses. I don't know. What are we saying? By the writers? Yeah. I mean, I think we can look at this episode because you and I noticed a couple questionable things in this episode. We have to look at this episode through the lens of 2005, right? Yeah. Okay. And through the lens of a lot of men in positions of power. Yeah.

And when you're doing your, I don't know, checking the boxes, is this okay? Is this greenlit? Is this okay? Is this greenlit? There clearly wasn't a woman here that was like, you know what? The fat jokes are bad. Especially because you're directing them at a girl who's a size two. Size zero. Yeah.

Yeah, for sure. It's absurd. But then it plants the seed in every girl's head at home. If I'm Sophia size or bigger, I'm chubby now? Yeah. It was so wildly irresponsible and off. So off and so irresponsible. Boys thought it was funny, man. They were like, this is how girls talk to each other.

Well, that and the punching and slapping. And I mean, it was just so, so silly. It's also not a girl's fight. Are we doing Dynasty now? Yeah. It's not at all. No. Have you been in a fight? I've been, no, I've only been close to a fight when I was in like the fifth grade. Did I ever tell you about this? No, I want to hear it. The fifth grade. And there was this girl, there was this girl named Amanda. I don't know what her last name was.

But she was a big, tall girl, and she was kind of mean and grouchy, and she just didn't like me. She picked on me all the time. And I used to wear hats to school. How Haley of you! A little bowler hat and, like, cute hats. With, like, a sunflower on it? Like, I feel like... Oh, completely. Yeah. I feel like maybe I've told this story before, but I can't remember. No, I don't know this story. Anyway, a man... And I used to... I had, like...

Bracelets and all. Anyway. So Amanda walks up to me in the hallway one day. I have no idea why she was mad at me, but true to exactly what you said, Hillary, we were watching the episode and you said, girls don't punch each other. They, they pull hair. Yeah. And this is what she did. She walks up to me in the hallway and grabs my hair and yanks my head back. So I'm like forced to stare kind of up at her. And she's like yelling at me about something in my face and, you know, kind of throws my head back and like lets me go.

And, oh, no, I hit her in the face and then she let me go. That's what it was. Sorry, the memories are coming back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did. So I reached up. She was holding my – and that was the only way we could let her to get going. But it wasn't like a full –

it wasn't like a dynasty slap or a Dallas slap. No, it was just like a pop. Fumbling. It was just a pop. Like, get off of me. You know, and then she did. And then later we went out, there was later on in the day and she was like, I'm going to fight you, blah, blah, blah. And it didn't,

up in my face and I just was like, oh, fine. I would rather get hit and get in trouble and fight this girl than continue on with this bullying day after day. So I took off my hat. I handed it to my friend. I pushed up my sleeves, took all my bracelets off and my necklaces and I put them all in the hat and I was like, okay, let's go.

And I was fully ready, fully ready to get hit and to hit her back. And I was like 100% in. And then she just looked up and down at me and was like, whatever, and then walked away. And then she never bothered me again. So let that be a lesson to you, I guess. Be willing to fight. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've been in a couple scraps. Not that I'm proud of you. Especially not as like a mother. I'm like, if my kid came home and was like, oh, I was in a fight, I would be like, oh.

I've got the vapors. Meanwhile, you know, as like a kid that grew up in the 80s and 90s, I'm like, oh yeah, all the time. Wait, what, tell me what were the circumstances? You can be as specific as you want or non-specific, but how does...

I don't know a lot of girls that have gotten in fights. I mean, how does that happen? I was attacked by a boy in elementary school. Oh, I was too, actually. I got, like, beat by a boy. What happened? You know, I think he had some problems, and I just became a target. Sure.

and he would scream in my ear. And so he would just screech in my ear, kind of like in Dumb and Dumber, that sound. Like, you want to hear the most annoying sound in the world? He would just screech. I elbowed him one day, and I was like, don't scream in my ear. And then he decided to follow me home and beat me on the walk home with a mailbox. I mean, it was really bad.

Wait, how did he get he? What did he pluck it out of the ground? No, it was lying on its side. It was all. It was joy. Like, God, it was insane. But it also made me, you know, once you get over that hump of being afraid of something like that. Yeah. You know, once you're once you're have a mailbox thrown at you, who cares? And so your brothers kick his ass. No, my brothers were like in third grade. They were little. Oh, no.

No, but then like in high school, there were a couple confrontations. Like I've been shoved by a boy in high school in front of the whole 10th grade and like a lot of male aggression. There were like fights that would come rolling down the hallway and I would somehow get tangled up in them. And, you know, just like. Sounds like the pep rally rumble. Yes, that's exactly. Why are we on top of each other?

It's like a tumbleweed coming down senior court. And you're just like, I don't know. There's arms and legs everywhere. And so I think the most accurate fight that we had in the show was with me and Nikki, where we're just pulling each other's hair. Because as a girl, that's what you do. You pull hair. Yeah. I remember Neen. I'm not going to say his name, but I had a guy grab me at a party and I need him in the balls.

And it was like, I remember thinking in the moment, I was like, this is like something out of a movie. He was on the football team. He knows who he is. Yeah, it was just a lot. I mean, I didn't really think about it a lot, but a lot of male aggression growing up as like a chick. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I had a kid. I had a boy shoved me up against a chain link fence with a baseball bat up against my throat. And we both got suspended. How did you get suspended? Because I was involved. Uh-huh. Cool story. You know what I mean? Like, just the right off. Yeah. Makes me so mad. I, I, um, I thankfully have a very passive personality.

sweet son who anytime someone's an aggressor with him, he's always like, I think they have a bad home life. And I'm like,

Yeah, probably, you know? Yeah, but that's good on you and Jeff as parents for teaching him that because not every kid understands that. No, sometimes you just want to, you know, elbow somebody. I like that in our tumbleweed fight in this pep rally, none of the boys hit us cheerleaders. We were just kind of quarantined two separate piles. Yeah, who were you fighting? Were you fighting anyone?

this, I think I was trying to pull people off of each other. That seems like the most Haley thing to do, but I couldn't spot me in the pile. Yeah. I remember Tom Wright being like, you're like big and like blonde and you look like Big Bird over here because you're just kind of like hovering. So I need you to do something. Can you fight the mascot? And I was like, I would love.

To fight the mascot. Because I just, you know, it's like, Brooke. That was so great. Well, Brooke and Rachel are fighting. And, like, Peyton would naturally be, like, pulling Rachel off of Brooke. And, like, siding with Brooke. And they're like, well, we can't have you do that. We need you distracted over here. Go jump on top of this bird.

Fine. Peyton and the bird fighting. I feel like there's a t-shirt in there somewhere. Probably. It's so funny. One can hope. Okay, so the introduction of Rachel. If you're Brooke, do you hate her right away? Like, what do you think is behind that? Besides just the really kind of surface jealousy. Yeah, I don't know. We gotta ask Sophia about this next time because...

She did start it. Brooke started it. I mean, Rachel just walked in and she was super nice. Like, hey, sorry I'm late. Is this still where we're at? And Brooke just didn't like her because of the night before at the masquerade party because she was dancing with Lucas. And Rachel even said, sorry, was that your boyfriend? I mean, it was a little bit, she was like a little sly about it, but it's...

She did say, like, oh, sorry. She asked at the party, too. She was like, are you two a couple? And Brooke says, no. And then she asks again, is that your boyfriend? And Brooke's like, no.

I don't know how many times you have to ask a chick if that's your boyfriend before you're like, I'm the new girl. I'm going to kiss whoever I want. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I agree. I don't know. Brooke started it. So I'm kind of like, I think I don't like that Rachel's enjoying getting under Brooke's skin. I mean, that's annoying. But, yeah.

No, I think it's just that now that's kind of what people, I guess that's a high school thing to do, right? You just think that you're going to play this game with a boy and you're going to test him. And oh, yeah, let's talk about her whole test with him, too, because this is what feels weird to me. But I don't know. Is it fair? But her and Nathan are doing the same thing. They're both being weirdo dictators and they're both testing their person. And I'm just like,

Whoever was writing Nathan was also writing Brooke. They were just like, we're going to make them do the same things. Yeah. That's it. Nathan's test seems a little more reasonable to me than Brooke's. Brooke's feels like... A bait and switch. Yeah. It also just kind of seems like, look, do you love him or not? Why are you pushing him away intentionally? Yeah.

You know, like you said, there's 8 million people you're going to find attractive in the world. Who's your choice? And Lucas kept telling her, you're my choice. I want to be with you. She's like, no, go see if there's other people you're attracted to. If I kiss a person, you have to kiss a person. She gives him the rules. Am I really the best? Am I really the best? And I don't know. I don't think that's fair.

I like the storyline because it is very high school. That's the kind of stuff you rationalize as a teenager. And I can look back on my journals and be like, oh, no. Oh, God. Oh, God. You're so irritating. It makes for great storytelling. I love watching it. It's so fun. But don't do that now. No, I mean, I I'm so team Brooke in most things. But in this, I'm just like, baby, what are you doing? Yeah. And he's still even on the date. It's like you read his body language like everything.

In no way is he draped all over this girl. Like, he's not doing anything. I don't want to do this. Please don't make me touch this hot redhead. I don't want it.

It's so all for Brooke. And you know what? It's actually a good example of how men and women miss each other a lot. You know, he's doing all this for Brooke because he thinks that this is what she wants. And what she wants is the exact opposite of what she's saying. And for her, she's saying, you should have been able to read my mind. But it's different than her maybe body language or the way that she's kind of acting or

Being drawn out through a relationship versus her specifically saying this is what I want, but then having it be actually the opposite. That's very she's so clear about what the rules are.

She's so clear. I think she just wanted him to go out with someone who she felt was less than her, like less magnetic, less attractive, less, you know, somebody who wasn't a threat. And this Rachel girl shows up and is season one Brooke.

Yeah. She's in the backseat of the car. She's down to get frisky whenever she's doing sexy time dances. She's got every, she's a popular girl. All the cheerleaders are loving her. She's getting along with everybody. Oh yeah. That's what she says. My entire squad has a crush on her. By the way, we all did. You know who I love seeing more of in this episode too is Bevan.

I know she didn't have a lot of lines, but we really got to get to know her and get more familiar with her face and just see her more. I loved that. Well, I think they saw how valuable it was to have the Tim character on the boys' side. Not everyone's the leader of the group. Not everyone's the alpha of the group. And so to have those kind of wingmen, it gives your lead characters places to go in realistic communities. Yeah.

And so having the female counterpart... When the show ended, did Tim and Bevan end up together? Oh my gosh, I think they did. That's like... Wait, wasn't it Skills? Skills dated Bevan for a while. Well, Skills dated her in season three. I think they're about to get together. Oh, yeah. But...

But yeah, I feel like Tim and Bevan are the same person. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like it. That's good. The dance that Danielle had to do, here's what I'm going to say. I think part of the reason Danielle was so well-respected and so well-liked is that she came in, and this was a hot show. Everybody wanted this part. Danielle came in and had to do this kind of humiliating dance.

And she had to do it over and over and over again. And she came in with so much grace. And she didn't pretend. Like, she wasn't like, oh, my God, I hate this. You know? Like, she didn't pretend. Like, she wasn't there to do a job. She showed up. She did her job. She communicated with everyone. She was so hyperprofessional. Like, it blew my mind. And...

And so I like that Peyton immediately is like, I don't know. I like her because that's how I felt. Like that's in real life. I was like, this girl's having to do the most ridiculous I've ever seen on our show. Yeah. And she's just not making it weird for anyone. You know, she's just I'm here. Yeah, let's do it. Fine. No, she was great. And then Gigi to Gigi got introduced this episode. Oh, my gosh. We have to talk about Kelsey. We can't end this episode without talking about Kelsey.

I love her. She and I stayed in touch a bit. We ran into each other, I don't know, like five years after the show was over and then have stayed in touch ever since. And she's just such a cool girl. She's on Yellowstone now playing –

I can't remember the name of her character. She's Kevin Costner's daughter-in-law. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. But also she's like a perfect 10. And Jeff starts watching this show. I'm like, I know her. And he's like, you don't know her, Hillary. You know everybody. And I'm like, no, she was a child on One Tree Hill. I know her. Yeah, like I literally know her. I guess I thought she was like 16 when she did our show because in order to work the hours we worked. But now that I'm doing the math, I'm like. I think she was 14. She was little.

Yeah. And I think she told me that too. I don't, you know, I have a terrible memory, but I'm pretty sure she told me that. Yeah, but she is so, it's insane how beautiful she is. I can't, it's one of those faces that, and she talks like this. She's just got a really sweet, like soft Southern voice. She's so enchanting. I hope we get to have her on soon. That's the right word for her, enchanting. She is enchanting.

I would love to know what her experience was as like a real high school kid working on our pretend high school set, you know, because she was only supposed to be in a couple episodes and I think she stuck around for a while. Yeah, she did. She did. That must have been so weird. You guys are doing it wrong. We don't use that slang anymore. You big weirdos. Yeah.

Is that, do your kids say that to you now? Because Maria says it to me all the time. She's like, mom, nobody says killer anymore. Oh, really? Nobody says trainers. I was like, I said, sent a text. She's reading over my shoulder. Like I said, are you a veil to somebody? And she's like, a veil? Mom. It's like Karen with the woo woo. Woo woo. Um,

Oh, God, yeah. No, my son gets humiliated when I play music for his friends because I'll try to be cool and, like, put Jay-Z on in the car. And he's like, Mommy, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. This is an us thing that we do without my friends around. All right, well, what else have we missed? I don't like...

I don't like all the chubby talk. That really made me mad. I'm looking at my notes and the things that I put big exclamation marks next to. Yeah, me too. And that was a go-to joke from then on, by the way. Not just for her, but for me as well. They just kept, they really kept it up. They liked using that. I don't get it. So irresponsible. No, I don't know. There's just so many other things that you could insult someone. Yes. About, like, fake insults. Fine. You know what? Yeah.

making fun of somebody's being like, oh, you're dumb. You know, you can find smart ways of calling somebody dumb. Your clothes are tacky. You know, that's a changeable thing. I don't know. Yeah, your hair, your hair color, whatever. Hairstyle, you know, she used to poke, Brooke used to poke fun all the time at Hailey's hair. It was cute. It was funny. Yeah.

Also, I feel like season three is the season where things went off the rails behind the scenes. And so you can start to see more of it work its way into the stuff in front of the camera. So I'm going to try my best not to be triggered by it. Because I really enjoy season three. Well, we're here to talk if you are. Yeah, I mean, season three I love so much. And I think that the people who joined our cast season three were really strong. Yeah.

And we had fun. And it was like our show, people were watching it. We didn't know that season one or two. But by season three, we were like, what's up now, bitches? Yeah. It's like now when they're telling us we're on the bubble, like, we don't know if you're picking Europe next year. You know. Okay. You know. Good story, guys.

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