Checking into the Hilton, with Tyler Hilton • EP210 (Part 2)
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Hey, friends. Here's the thing. We're real neck deep in this two-part situation. We're obsessed with this episode. But one of the silver linings of such a dark, heavy episode with so many feelings is that we get some glorious Chris Keller action. He is handsome. He is talented. He's a pig. And we love all those things. Yeah.

He talks about himself in the third person. Love to hate him. We are so lucky that Tyler Hilton is joining us this episode. I love bad boys so much. Give him to us. He's here. And we're all sweating. We're so excited. Our palms are hot. It's been so long. Where is he? Where is he? Where is he? Where is he? He's a super dad. He looks exactly the same, but better. Tyler, you look so cute. Oh, my God.

Why do you just get more handsome? Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the inimitable, the extraordinary, the insanely handsome and talented Tyler Hilton. The car goes away.

I miss you. It's so cool. I love this. Hi, buddy. You're a Canadian now. Oh, yeah. I'm a dad. I'm a dad. I'm a full-time dad, part-time Canadian. And then I do music and podcasts with you guys on the show. Oh, my God. Yes. Are you just going to join us permanently as our fourth host? Yeah, I'll be like the sidekick for sure. Honestly, you're wearing red and green right now. It's kind of perfect. You do look like Robin. Megan dresses me.

She also makes my hair sets in quarantine. Actually, Megan just makes sure this whole thing processes. And I'm doing all the full-time kid stuff while she's so busy, writing full-time. Everyone wants a script from her, so I'm just on dad duty. And then she'll come in, trim my eyebrows, give me a haircut. Oh!

And then that's how it works. It's so amazing. For people at home that don't know, you're talking about Megan Park, your wife, who was also on a teen drama TV show. Do you guys... I mean, I've spent enough time with you outside of work. I know we all just bitch about teen drama together, but...

Was that like a point of connection when you guys met? You were like, hey man, you kiss and cry for a living? I kiss and cry for a living. So I met her on... Okay, wait, this is crazy. So I've told this story a million times and I forgot you guys are here because you guys... Okay, you guys actually are the reason that Megan and I met. What? You don't even know. What? We were doing a promo, all of us.

for One Tree Hill in Texas, somewhere, I don't know where we were. - Was it Honeygrove? - No, it wasn't Honeygrove, but I was about to like run a marathon and that was my last press thing was with you guys. And so before I ran it, I said, "Hey, you guys wanna shave my head into a Mohawk?" And we were in a mall.

And Sophia and Hillary, we went to a haircut place. And you guys shaved my head into a mohawk. We were at the Mall of America, Tyler. Oh, that's right. Okay. We were at the Mall of America. What? We shut down this haircut place for us, and you guys shaved my head into a mohawk. Yeah. So meanwhile, my agent has been submitting me for this movie. And every time she submits me, they're like, no, he looks like a Backstreet Boy. This is for a drug dealer. We can't have him come in and audition. And so after you guys cut my hair, I told my agent, hey, I forgot to tell you I was doing this, but...

I shaved my head into a Mohawk and she was like, are you kidding me? Like now I need new pictures of you. I can't send you out for stuff. She's like, send me a screenshot of your Mohawk and let me see how it looks. Send it to this movie casting director and see if they'll even get you in the room now that you have a Mohawk for this drug dealer part. Got the, am I allowed to cuss on here? Yes. Got the f***ing part. Yeah, you did.

And that's where I met Megan. She was a local hire on this Canadian movie, had never done American stuff or whatever. And I met her day one filming that show because of the Mohawk. My God, Tyler. Comes full circle. You also, you rocked that Mohawk and you were so good in that movie. Oh, I loved it.

So have you been writing music since you've had your daughter? Or is it sort of like on a back burner because there's so many? I mean, I know when I had my daughter, I was not writing any music for a while. I was just so overwhelmed with kids. I haven't written a ton. I've written some stuff that the natural songs that come out when you're not thinking about it, they kind of come out. Yeah. The guitar right now, she's like, no, no, no, dada. Because she knows I start to space out and she doesn't like it.

wheels on the bus and we have our whole kind of like song list we go through and so oh that's so great oh my gosh sweet baby girl miss you guys i thought that'd be so cool but um there's no time like not to be whatever but like i feel like i unload the dishwasher four times a day

I was cleaning peas out of the bathtub. I was like, when did she have peas in the bathtub? And so it's like, it's just a whole different world. But I've been living on a bus and an RV for like 15 years. I remember telling you guys and I remember bitching to Lee a lot about this and being like, I got to get off the road, man. Like, I don't know how to, but I just got to stop. And so this kind of thing has been so nice. Like,

Just taking care of her, just being in one spot, sweatpants every day. Yeah. I just, the only content I want, and I do feel bad for the people listening because I realize this is close friendship, but we are. I just want to watch you guys sledding every day. That's all I want. Just you taking Winnie on like snow adventures. Where'd you see that? That's all I want.

I saw Megan just post these videos of how in love with the both of you she is. And I'm just like, yep, that's a dream. That's all I want from the internet today. You know, it's like my life right now is so simple and so beautiful. It's never been so simple. It's one of like the real cool bright moments of this horrible last two years is it made me so small. Anyway, that's cool. It must be crazy too to be, you know, where you are.

You know, as you said, you've been a touring musician. You've worked all over the place and on movies and TV shows and Megan's, you know, winning audience awards for the movies that she's making. And you guys are raising your daughter and now you're up in Canada. Like, is it crazy from all this life to pause and look back on this episode from when was this, 2003? No, 2004, 2005. Like, does it feel like such a trip to see all of us when we were little babies? Yeah.

It makes me, every time I see something like that, I feel like I can't believe how cool you guys always were. And I can't believe how lame I was. That's what I think. What? When I look at that, I'm like, I can't believe you guys hung out with me. What? You're kidding. You're crazy. And you guys are like, just so cool. And you guys, it's just like, it's so funny. You guys all look so dope on the show. I watched it back. I was like, oh my God.

I know. That's how we felt when we first started watching. It's a trip. It took a minute to kind of get over. I heard you guys were doing this. I was like, I can't believe they're going to subject themselves to watching. What are you talking about? We were adorable, Tyler. We were fun, man. We're living the glory days. I know.

Tyler was just saying that he feels like a dweeb when he watches this and that we look cool. And I'm like, all we do is make fun of ourselves. Those pants. Did you see that the pockets on my butt started on my thigh on those terrible pants? It's not right. That's how they gave white girls butts back then. Little points for like, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God.

You were great. I love watching this back because we had so much fun together filming these scenes. And I, first of all, didn't remember this was season two. There's so many things that popped out that we were like, wait, this is season two? I thought this was season three or four or five or, you know, like all these things that we thought it's all kind of like jamming together now in our brains. But I remember when

They hired you and brought you down and you and I just had instant chemistry. We had instant friendship. It was like, we got on so well. Um, and we had so much fun, which you're easy to super easy to have fun with Tyler. Um, and what was that like for you coming down to Wilmington? A, had you been to Wilmington before B, how many sets had you been on before and C getting into, to Chris Keller's mindset? I mean, just talk to us about your whole setup and getting down there. Yeah. It's funny. Cause, uh,

When I first got down there, so my label had set it up initially to come on the show and play, I think, promote my single. And I think Mark kind of offhandedly written this character. And it was supposed to be a two-episode thing just to, like,

have a singer come on and then um and i noticed they so anyway i didn't know anything about the show i'd seen the preview and i was like okay cool i just i didn't even have a place to watch tv i was just like on the road and then i was just so out to lunch i remember the front office said would you like to watch some episodes of the show and i was like yeah yeah yeah a cardboard box of vhs tapes

2003 or whenever this was and i went to walmart and i bought an all-in-one tv v8 you had to buy it they didn't just like give you one no and i didn't when i got back to the hotel room i was like oh i don't have a vhs player and so anyway or vcr vcr so then i watched episode one i was like let me just watch the pilot see what's happening

I watched the entire season in one weekend. I was obsessed with myself because then when I went on set, I wasn't like, oh, hey, what's up, Sophia? I'm Tyler. I was like, oh, my God, that's broke. Oh, my God.

on friday i wouldn't have known anything about the show by monday i was super fan accidentally like so um so the first day on set was harder than it needed to be for me because i was like shoot i'm really like this is surreal all of a sudden um i was just watching the show uh but yeah and i noticed too they started writing more stuff like you and i started getting along so well and i noticed they were kind of writing us doing more stuff together yeah they were

Yeah. I mean, you were like starting to sing more together off set and do that kind of stuff. And they wrote it into the show and it was like, just, just cool. Yeah. Dude, we need you to know that we're,

that end scene when chris keller kisses hayley we were screaming and all sweating like you guys i don't know why i don't remember this tyler maybe it's because you're you're such like a a solid dude in all of our lives and you've never been a creep with any of us yeah we looked back on this scene and we were like oh my god the chemistry oh my god oh my god oh i'm sweating oh this is very sexy what's

What's happening? Like, I'm sweating even now, like, because I feel weird talking about it. It's embarrassing to be like, hey, friend. Oh, my God. You still got it. The forbidden love. That was fiery.

And, you know, I was like, you know, I was like young and, you know, Joy's like hot and older. And I was like, this is real, you know? Well, you came in, you played such a specific character. Like we were all moody, broody kids and you came in and it's really easy as an actor to kind of fall into the rhythm of all the people around you. Like when you're working with people who use Batman voice, you end up using Batman voice where you're like, hey, what's going on? Yeah.

How, like, who did you model Chris Keller after? Did you have a type that you were like, oh, this is what I'm after? Or is that just a part of you that you never let out before? You were there my first scene. And so that was when I, and I think the deal is, I don't even know if he was supposed to be that much of like a jerk or whatever. But I mean, he was kind of, but there was something I did with it, maybe because I was nervous or whatever. And I was just an extra, I just became more and more of like,

I don't know, like a funny dick or something.

And then as we made it funnier, the writers kept making it funnier. And then I just kept playing into it. And it was just this, that's what I loved about the show is they were writing, they would take things that we were doing in real life and then make them even cooler on the show. Little cues and you guys always like hating on me. It was so funny. Every time you guys were like, you know, I think they love that. So they just kept piling more and more jokes on me. And it was the best. I like loved it. Yeah.

You really provided a comic relief on the show that we needed, that it wasn't it wasn't totally superfluous or fluff because there was substance to your character. And and there was like a reason that we needed you there. It wasn't just like some, you know, peripheral comedy, you know, nyuk nyuk guy. Yeah. Not like a court jester. Right. Right. But but you also you know, there was like.

There was a gravitas to what you had to offer within the context of our story, but there was so much comedy that we needed. We didn't really have anybody like that, like the lovable jerk. We had the real jerks and the like super toxic dudes. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny because as you're talking about it, I'm realizing, you know, first season, that was kind of my job was to be like lovable, but kind of clueless,

And now Brooke is like very deep in her feelings. She's just crying all the time. And Chris comes in and, and I do remember we thought you were going to be in and out. And then you were so funny that they kept writing more and more and more for you. Yeah. But I, I'm realizing in this moment,

I don't know the answer. I wonder if you do. Do you remember when Chris Keller talking about himself in the third person started? Did you do that or did they do that? Like, where did that come from? Because my God, the first time you were like, Chris Keller's tired. I was like, what the? It was so good. That you would like at the end of the take, you can't even look at you right now. I hate you so much.

I would. Like, I literally, they'd be like cutting to you like, I hate you. I can't even. Oh my God, we all would. Yeah, I don't even know where that started. It's so crazy. I mean, it just kind of became a joke on a joke of himself, but like such a hilarious character and also such a trope of like early 2000s, like misogyny. And so it was nice to like laugh at. Oh my God, that's what Chris Keller is. He's walking misogyny. Yes.

you know? And once you know it, then you're like, Oh, I know what this is. The water's warm friends. Well, once you know what it is, it's defanged. You're just like this guy, which is actually a really smart and progressive way of, uh,

highlighting all of the ridiculous tropes and all the things that were toxic and ridiculous and accepted at the time in society to have a character that was just calling all those things out and just sort of living them openly in a comedic way. We could all laugh at it, but we're also like, oh yeah, guys do do that and it is okay. And that's weird, but I don't feel so great about that.

You know, and so much of that, too, I feel like was because we became friends so quick, like the three of you guys and I did. Like, as soon as I met you, we were, like, hanging out every night. Were you even 21 yet? Or were we sneaking you into bars? You guys were. You guys were all older than me. You guys were, like, 22.

And I was like 19. Yes. Were you and James the same age? He was younger than me. He was 17. Yeah, season one. Season one he was. Season one, yeah. So season two he was 18, yeah. We were 22, you were 20, he was 18. Oh, yeah. And he wasn't really hanging. That's right, because he was kind of like hanging with his college kids and we were like, you know. Oh, yeah. We didn't want to corrupt him. Well, you didn't. Yeah.

No, but it's just crazy how close we all became. And I think that like that chemistry and also like when my label was like, they want you to come back. Would you want to come back? I was like, I want to spend the rest of my life. So fun. How many episodes did you end up doing? Cause you were there after I left.

I don't remember, but the funny thing is somebody told me that I actually ended up doing more episodes of that show Extant with your husband than One Tree. I was like, really? That's not possible. I was like, what? I think that was on the show like every – and with One Tree Hill, I was on tour. I'd come in for three episodes. This is what's so screwed up about Tyler is that we started doing One Tree Hill, and he was supposed to be older than us, right? Yeah. And I'm like, hey, you're like a big bully, you jerk face.

And then we go on to our next job where we're supposed to play the same age. We did a Christmas movie together and we're supposed to be like friends from school. And we like, same grade. And then we do extant where I'm like, definitely older than you and like your boss, you know? And he stays the same age and I just get older and older and older. It's some bullshit. Tyler and Antoine are drinking the same secret sauce. Antoine, dude.

Antoine played a 17-year-old for 17 years. Back into a One Tree Hill reboot and play 17-year-old skills again. Oh, my God. I mean, it's feasible. I have a picture of you from Extent where, like, you're being hung. Like, I don't know what happened. But you're also flipping off my husband's camera. You're like...

Honestly, drama TV is hilarious. Like what we do. Can't laugh at it in the moment. Like they wrote this scene. I kid you not. They took me aside to be like, Hey, we have to tell you something heavy is happening to your character. Next episode. You're going to hang yourself. I'm like, that's really heavy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Self, you know? And then there, and I was like, okay. Like thinking like, well, thank you guys for having me on the show. This has been wonderful. Yeah.

you survive, Halle Berry cuts you down and saves you. She and I was like, wait, so I have to like play this serious. Like I can't be like, this is hilarious. Like you come in and I'm hanging from the ceiling and they cut me down. I'm going to send, I'm going to send our producer that picture of you because it is the perfect picture

Professional transition from Chris Keller to this like super nerd. You can do it all. But after the ridiculousness of one tree hill, you can pretty much do anything at this point. Like you had to jump in the river at one point. Like what was the dumbest thing you had to do on our show?

The jumping in the river thing was so cool. It was so cool. There's just like funny story from that night where this, I'm still kind of learning the ropes of being on set and blah, blah, blah. And this guy comes up to me on set and we're on the river boat. And I was like, I don't know why I said this to him, but I was like, Hey man, what's your name? Oh, cool. Cool. Hey, cool hair. And he was like, Oh, thanks. And I was like, whatever. And then they were like, dude, that's your stunt double. They have a way. Yes. I told you.

I told them cool hair. Like, what a funny thing to say to someone, but also like, it's my stunt double. That's such a Chris Keller thing to do. And I just thought they were jumping into the picture. I'm talking to a guy wearing my exact wardrobe. Didn't even face me. His hair is the same. I'm like,

- Cool hair, bro. - Oh my God. - You're like, "Wow, that's a great cut." - Genius. - You're a secret narcissist. We won't tell anybody. - Oh my God, it's so good. - You look wonderful. - You guys are so, and I say this to everyone, you guys are incredible actors. It's not the case on drama shows, but you guys came out the gate killing it. And I think that's one of the reasons the show is so believable, even though so many crazy things happened on it. So you guys are like,

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And nobody was as patient with me as you guys were, you know? Well, you came in a total pro. We loved you. And like really game. Listen, I'm just going to say it because we've been friends forever now. When I found out that Elvis was coming to our show, I was like, that dude's in for a world of hurt. Like we are going to kiss him. He is darling. And then you showed up and you just had such like good dude energy. It was like, oh, we can't jump him. Right. Oh.

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What's cool is that even though we loved you so much, we had to pretend that we hated you and you had so much fun with that. It was so hard. It was really hard. We would bust out laughing all the time because we could just couldn't handle. You were so good at be at your straight face comedy. I couldn't, I couldn't handle it. Do you remember how many times we just broke apart? Like we just couldn't, I couldn't look at you. There were times when you would be delivering your lines and I couldn't,

It was on my coverage and I could not look at you. I'd have to look to the left or like to your ear or something. It just would fall apart. Like you always had to be bummed. And I'd be like commenting about your pregnancy or something. You always had to be bummed. That's so appropriate. It's so good. How did they approach you about, cause we eventually go on actual tour. I mean, you and I were on a tour bus for a while. How long was that? It was like a month, two months.

It might have been two months. It felt like my entire youth was at tour. I feel that way too. It's just, tour is wild because so many things can happen in one day. You don't know what city you're in, but it's just crazy. And I brought a cat on the bus apparently, which I don't remember, but I guess that tracks. Yeah, I believe that.

our drummer was like allergic to cats and uh or something like that like lem was like nobody wanted to tell her no i think i think they you know god bless her i think it was like oh joy you can't bring your cat because someone's allergic and then joy came on with the cat so it was kind of like just like you know it's like a you know spaced out you know what that tracks to like 20 year old me it tracks our 20 year old all of us

There's pills for that, right? Take an Allegra. What a brat. What a brat. Well, I'm sorry, but how did they approach you? How did they approach you about doing this tour? And did you have to cut other things out of your life? Was there like, what was the, I mean, how did that all happen for you? You know, once I came on the show, then Warner Brothers, who was releasing all the records for Winter Hill, got stoked about the collaboration between Dave and artists.

on the label. So I think they started spinning the whole thing up. Like it was working, all of us hanging out. Joy was a great musician. And so it was like, okay, now our characters are singing together. And it was just kind of a natural, somehow Sunkissed got involved. Oh my God. Tyler, I have the portrait of like you, me and Daniil at the Sunkissed party in Miami. Just like cheesing it up, making those executives.

You're so good at it. It was like sun kissed me and the show. And then we just went on. They were involved in our mall of America thing. Hill, you guys can obviously toggle this part when, when your internet cut out, Tyler was telling the story of getting the part in the movie where he met Megan, because you and I shaved his head into a Mohawk at the mall of America. Yeah.

Oh, interesting. Isn't that crazy? And I have photos of the three of us not knowing what to do in front of that huge Sunkist step and repeat. So we're just pretending to tango. Like, what were we doing? But that's what we were doing that night. There were so many poor choices at Sunkist parties. Tyler, you grew up doing musical theater in public school.

And I need you to talk about it because Chris Keller comes in like such a cool bro. But because I've heard stories about this, I need the rest of the planet to know, like, was it Greece? Was Greece...

- The play. - Oh my God, it's so funny you're saying that. Literally I was like, "Megan!" - Megan! - Yeah, no, she's coming down I think in a sec, but I was just dancing with Winnie this morning. Megan and I both were, and then "We Go Together" came on. And I was like dancing with it, and Megan's like, "This is when you peaked, huh?" Like freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman year, freshman

Theater was the best. Musical theater was the best. Joy and I also connected too. Majorly. Oh yeah. It's all the time on the bus. We would just sit there and bust out into musical theater songs. I remember. Into the woods and labyrinth. Oh, like a love of labyrinth. I remember we would always. I don't know if I ever got, I think joy and you were really into it. And I like couldn't quite figure out that movie. Did you pretend to like it for joy?

Maybe I do. No, but I definitely watched it. I definitely watched it. Wait, did we, did you watch it at my house? Did you come over and we watched that? Oh, cause I had that. I didn't have a TV. I had some antique red velvet couch that was super uncomfortable. Do you remember this? I remember your apartment. You had like the

projector, right? And I had no TV. I had a projector. I painted a giant white square on the wall and had a projector. And that's, yeah, I think that's where we watched Labyrinth. Yeah. And I was obsessed with it. And that's right. All these years I've been deluding myself that we shared a love of Labyrinth. Dance, magic dance. Yeah. No, Tyler has that full. Tyler was just being polite. Yeah. He's got that full David Bowie outfit and he wears it all the time. I'm still in

all on my own. It's okay. No way. When he goes as David Bowie in Labrador for Halloween, you'll know it was for you. Yes. You guys had coordinating Halloween costumes at my Halloween parties. Didn't you come as the cow from Giant? Oh, my gosh. Yes. No, and I was the fairy, right? No, two different parties, bro. No, you were James Dean. Two different years. Oh.

Paul was Rock Hudson. Paul was Rock Hudson. You were James Dean. I was Elizabeth Taylor. And Lee Norris was the cow. I have pictures of that somewhere. You guys always came as like a unit. Oh, yeah. No, you were overweight Peter Pan one year. Or you were like a... With a beard.

We had a beer gun. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. You're good for a party, dude. Oh, my gosh. You truly are. Tonight, we did something crazy. It was fun in the beginning, too. Like, I remember early season two when it first came on, we were still doing, like, viewing parties where every Tuesday or whenever aired, we'd go to someone's house and watch it, I remembered. And it was such a cool, like, go team spirit in the beginning. We did that? Yeah. Yeah.

Used to be either your house or... Whose house? My house? No, I think Sophia's house. Oh. God, I felt like that was in later seasons. But yeah, I guess we started that as early as season two. Well, that's the thing. It all blurs together. Guys, look what I just found. Oh, look at that. Tyler with the mask.

Tyler, it was such a good look. You cut my hair and went to go to the movie. It came from the movie to that sun-kissed party. So I was literally looking after right there. We bookended. Oh my gosh. You're falling in love with Megan. Give me another haircut so I can get another cool movie. Yeah, let's do it. What do you want now? How about like a power mullet? We'll just let the back kind of like ease in there. Yes.

Okay, so what are you working on now? Because you've been doing music the whole time you've been home. Megan is, you know, killing it, directing and stuff. And you have been juggling family, work,

You've been doing, you've been playing shows virtually. Yeah. So I like started a Patreon so I could do like month shows on there. So if anyone wants to check it out, I was doing them on YouTube and they were fun, but on Patreon I can do like an hour and hook up my like cool mic and stuff and just do like good stuff. Can we make requests? Yeah.

Yes. I love that. Honestly, come on and sing some songs sometime or something. Ooh. Yeah. Sounds fun. That's also such a nice thing to be able to figure out how to work from home in a pandemic, but also to give people like something to look forward to and watch. I know. I know. Yeah. One of the things I've missed the most in the last two years is live music. Yeah. So basically all I'm saying is I'm, I'm going to,

subscribe to your Patreon immediately and then become your number one internet fan. I'll tell you, I'll give you a pass. I was going to do it for a dollar. I did it for five bucks. I just wanted to be like so cheap that like anyone can come. Cause yeah, you're a good dude. This is the longest I've gone without playing a show. You know, every canceled or,

But, you know, I did some scoring stuff for Megan's last movie and I loved it. And so I think I'm going to be doing most of the scoring for the next movie or whatever. That's great. Yeah. Scoring is so fun. And I could see how you'd be really good at that too, because you are a really intuitive musician. I mean, we were just saying when we were watching the episode, what a brilliant songwriter you are. And I feel like it's not just because...

it's not just putting things together. I mean, you, you really are feeling you're, you're a great lyricist, but you also are an intuitive musician. And so to be able to watch a film empathize with what's happening in the story and create something from that, I could, I could definitely see how that would be really easy for you. Yeah. And it's definitely natural. That's like my natural skillset, like writing a Dr. Luke pop songs. Like I wish that was my skillset. Cause I feel like, yeah,

A billionaire? Yeah, this is my thing where I can watch something really easily and just write music to it. I don't know why. How many songs? Did you write songs for our show or did we just happen to like get the hits? Oh, yeah. We got the bops. Oh, wait, did I? I don't know. No, no, I think I just premiered them on the show always.

Yeah, yeah. I think I just sang, yeah, I just, I think I sang like 10 songs. Yeah. So many songs on the show. Do you have a favorite song that you featured on the show? What probably you'll ask for me was probably one of my favorites. And, and I think I did kind of write that for the show, for the tech episode. I had it almost finished and I finished it for the show, but some, for some reason that song just,

It's like, there's like a longing and like a, there's something about it that just reminds me of the show in such a like warm, cool way. I never get tired of playing it. And it's always just a moment when I play it live. I feel like we all just like love One Tree Hill in that moment. Well, it's such like when we do conventions and stuff, the conventions where you play feel real, you know, it's, it's like we're back in season two and you guys are on tour and the fans are getting that opportunity to relive something from, you know, what, 17 years ago. Yeah.

And it's such a blurring of the fact in the fiction. We watched you do it in Paris. The first time we went to Paris, you played a show there. And it was like, these kids are like, oh my God, it's real. It's real. Yeah. I think that's why the tour was so successful too. Is that because people were like getting to actually experience One Tree Hill coming out of their TV box and into their real life.

And it felt for us like we were playing all the time. Joy and I were jamming. I remember, Sophia, you were such a fan of all the new stuff I was writing. I was playing at your guys' house all the time on the piano whenever there was a party. Like, we sang so much, you know? Yeah, we really did. And there was something, too. I think it's so cool to look back and realize it wasn't just hitting in the zeitgeist at that moment, which obviously it did so powerfully.

But it's evergreen. Yeah. You guys made things. And not many artists in their early 20s get to look back on what they were making then and say, oh, my God, it lasts forever. But you guys, there was such magic between you two on screen and I think between all the friendships we built. And, like, you made stuff that is still classic. We still want to hear it all the time. And that's so friggin' cool. You were just so...

fucking sexy together and I'm just going to say it and it was so it's so fun to watch all these years later because yeah I mean I've talked about

watching stuff back as Peyton, like, oh, I didn't realize I was putting out that vibe. Like I, you know, and to, I guess at the time in our early twenties, I didn't realize like how steamy your stuff was. Everything we were doing was steamy. Everything was like a wink and everything. Yeah. But at the time we all were like, that's a bad guy. He's hitting on that girl and she's in a relationship. And now we're like, oh no, they just have undeniable chemistry. Yeah.

Oh, God. I mean, I... Should she go with him? I honestly feel for Chris Keller in this episode because I'm like, he's not wrong. She did buckle down real early, you know? So you made a mistake. That's the best line. That studio that we filmed that in, that's the actual studio that they booked for Joy and I to record When the Stars Go Blue. Oh, yeah. Out there. So we all... We are real...

hanging joy and I in that room that's why it's just so real sometimes like you're in that room by ourselves working out when the stars go blue should we do it like a waltz should we do it slow fast they had the microphone there and you and I are trying to work out the and not to be whatever but I was a professional musician and you're just really talented but have it you know so I was like that's great you know encouraging so it's just this yeah you're really

Now we're in a room filming it saying so many of the similar things. And it is crazy. That's a trip that it was the same room. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know that song came on the radio a month ago in Charleston or two months ago in Charleston. I was on, which is so weird. I was in a store. And usually if a song from one tree hill comes on, we talked about this before we were like, is somebody punking us? You're like, what's going on? But

I had my mask on and I was just like in the corner shopping in a, in a honey store for like local honey on the radio. And it was on a, it was just on the radio. Like they were just playing a regular radio station. There was no iPod or anything. And in our song, and I'm sitting there picking out honey, like, Hmm, should I do sourwood honey or orange blossom honey? And all of a sudden I started hearing my voice come on the radio. And I was like, wait, what?

And nobody knows I'm there. Nobody's looking at me. There's no nothing. It's not. And I just poked Maria. I'm like, as soon as I was like, Maria, listen, this is me. Then your voice comes on. She's like, mom, I think you're losing your mind. You have to wait. Just wait. Wait. So in later seasons, I haven't seen the seasons that I'm not in. Chris Keller and Haley ever like go back to play music together. Does it ever happen again?

Wait, did we do it in season nine? Oh, I really don't know. I think I was hanging with Chase...

I think my love interest was Stephen Coletti. That's right. That's right. What a little opportunity. I would love to have seen. I love that they had a best friend relationship. You never see that with guys on shows. Never. Not to be whatever. Actually, we never talk about this. But I can mark my life by best friends at that moment and who I was like my best friend. Such an important guy. It's just so funny that that was the cute thing. It was Chase and Chris. Oh, Chase. Oh, my God. They were so sweet. So for you two, for our musicians here,

What show on television right now would you want to play music on? Because it really... It was an integral part of our show. And so if there's like a dream show where you two could go and like play characters jamming with your guitars, what would that be? She wasn't even doing that now. I don't know. Arthur's... I wanted to do Glee. Like, I know... Oh, yeah, me too. You would have been so good on Glee. And like...

What a dark ending for that whole situation. Like, just like almost feels too soon to talk for such probably all our favorite shows. Yeah. Like to talk about, but.

I know. I'm trying to think of anything that's, what are the musicals on TV? It doesn't have to be. Our show wasn't a musical. It was just, the music was naturally like joy loves Yellowstone. I could see you guys sitting around like a cowboy campfire. Oh, you, me and Ryan Bingham. Oh, how fun. Are you not on a, you should, I was like, are you not on Yellowstone? You should be on Yellowstone. I feel like that's totally your vibe. Joy on a horse.

Let's talk about Yellowstone. You're not that bad. I want to be on Yellowstone. Oh, God, that'd be amazing. Kelsey's on Yellowstone. I know. I submitted some songs for it because I was like, there's never been a show that's more perfect for me to score. I know exactly what to do with it. Yes. And they got someone else. I don't like it as much. Because I love that. What's the guy? Oh, yeah. Taylor Sheridan. Yeah. Yeah.

I did submit a theme song for 1883. It didn't get picked. I didn't get picked, but it was a good one. You would be so good on that show too, Joy. Oh man, I would love that. I just need to see y'all singing together again. We got to find something. Joy, you sent me that song and I was going to tell you I have a meeting to sing on it. But literally, like Megan is so swamped and that means I'm like full. So I haven't even found a time. Don't even worry about it. It's okay. I have all the favors with Megan and her mom just to do this podcast right now. That's how heavy it can be.

I'll get to it but like don't worry I'm writing a new musical and I sent Tyler was like I've got this song I want to hear a male voice on it will you throw something down for me I love that the baddest boy on our show became a girl dad and is now like you gentle bunny I'm so proud of you are you going to let Winnie watch this one day

Oh, that's Megan's apartment. It doesn't matter what. I'm sure Megan will have an opinion out of the way. But I don't know what kind of phases she's going to go through. Right now, she's insisting on calling me Tyler. It's the craziest thing. Your daughter?

He's like, "Hey, Megan." "Hey, Tyler." Tyler, can I have some more duck puffs? And she says it like, "I just said Tyler, not Dada." And I'm like, in my gut, I'm like, do I really care enough to change this? It's so funny. And I've never felt more singing. It's like, so good. Now when I get her out of her crib in the morning, she's like, "Good morning, Tyler." - Oh! - No! - Yeah. - You know? - You guys, you have a special bond.

So sweet. You're going to have to come back. You have to come back, especially for Honeygrove. I know we mentioned it, but we need you back all the time because this 25 minutes is not enough. No. Well, yeah, I'll just, even if you guys have some other guests on, I'll just sit here on mute and just be turned off. Yeah, just, you know. Okay. Strum your guitar. So we can look at you? Oh, I should have played a song. Next time I come on, I'll play a song. Yeah, you better. Yes. I'll play, you'll ask for me for Honey.

Oh my gosh. That's a great idea. Okay. Done. We need it. I love you. I'll just sit like this. We love you, Ty. Kiss all those girls, man. Love you so much, Tyler. It's great to see you. We'll do this again soon. Love you guys. I love you. Bye.

Oh, my heart is breaking. I just love him so much. He's a perfect person. He's a perfect person. Tyler's the kind of person who wins over even like the grumpiest people. Like, yeah, you know, like my boyfriend on One Tree Hill didn't love every dude that we were friends with because it would like feel threatened. I don't know anybody that doesn't love Tyler and think that he's just like magic.

He's a magic person. He really is. And he's, and he's so, the thing is that he's actually super smart and he carries a lot of, he's got a strong backbone. Like he really carries a lot of integrity with him. And, you know, you can spend any amount of time just kind of surface time hanging with Tyler and he's great with anybody. But when push comes to shove, he knows what he stands for. He knows what he believes in. He has no problem like putting his foot down or standing up for his friends or, you know,

jumping in the way if there's something coming at you. He's great. I mean, he's truly a great guy. Also real fun to do shots with. So, you know, hey, I like duality. Oh, God, it was just so fun to have him on the show. I can't wait for him to come back and sing to us while we watch the Honeygrove episode. Yes, please. It's going to be great. I need it. OK, well, we're going to go to a break and we'll come back and spin a wheel and wrap this up, y'all.

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I'm like Chris Haley, the very sexy moment where Chris Keller kisses Haley James. Yeah. There's another very sexy moment that happens with Chris Keller in the recording studio.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, you guys thought it was sexy. You two. Okay, give it to him. I thought you were all like blushing and things. I was just so surprised. What did you think, Joy? That was some old movie star macho shit. I loved it. I'm sorry. I did too. I loved it. I did too. Well. Yeah, it doesn't bother me one bit. You didn't like it, Hill? I mean, I saw. Yeah, I saw a little bit of Dan in there that was a little like. Oh.

Like Haley said, it's handled. She said, I can deal with this. And he still went like choked a dude out. You know, that's because men speak to each other in a different language and he's not going to get the same message.

You know what I mean? Like some, if a guy's hitting on your wife there, you can't sit down and be like, Hey man, listen, um, I just really feel like I'm uncomfortable with this. And I'm, my wife has it handled, but I just know like there is a visceral response that a lot of men have that I think only comes from, you know, violence, duking, duking it out. Like they need to just feel the presence of another man. That's like, Hey, I'm, I'm the dog here. Like I'm the alpha dog here and you need to sit down.

Well, they are teenagers also. What I will say, it's so funny you point that out, Hill, because I hadn't even seen I hadn't thought that Nathan seemed like Dan. I was like, oh, there's a little bit of old Nathan. And because he used to be a bad boy, he sees through Chris's BS. He's like, oh, I know exactly what kind of man you are. And my wife might not see it because she is an innocent angel. But I see it and I'm going to kick your ass. And I liked it.

I like that protective instinct. Okay, tell us, tell us. As someone who has hung out in the trenches, what I see is because Nathan escalated it to physical violence, it makes Haley still going to see Chris. It lets Chris know that she's going to do whatever the fuck she wants. It gives him so much power to be like, your husband's willing to come kick my ass and you still won't stay home.

Like it had Nathan not gotten involved in Haley, like came to the studio to be like, OK, well, we can't really talk. It would have seemed like her decision. And now what it telegraphs to Chris is this is a woman trying to break out on her own. And she's got a daddy to return to that. She's got to, like, answer to. And she's still showing up like it just gives Chris power. Wow. I do see what you're saying. And there is something valid in that. But now what I'm wondering is what about Nathan?

Like, is he just supposed to get walked all over and disrespected? Like, why isn't he able to stand up for himself and his, you know, the situation that he's in? I guess I just hang out with more passive aggressive dudes. Like, if Nathan had, like, you know, like, broken his guitar accidentally, like, oops. That sucks. Oh, boy, my friends. It's wheel time. Can I get a wheel? Da-da-da-da-da-da.

Dang, dang, dang, dang, dang, dang, dang. They get coal in their stocking. That's funny. That's not this one. I know. We were like scanning. Oh, my God. Joy, you're like a wizard. Joy saw the whole list of them. And out of like, you know, the ones that are cycling through, she automatically knew which one we were getting. Give it to them, girl. The winner is who is most likely to get coal in their stocking. I mean...

Our guest today was kind of on brand for this question. I think so. Character though. Character, not real person. Character. Totally. Chris Keller is just asking for a whole pile of coal in his, Chris,

Christmas stocking. Do you think he was like a bad little boy? Like did Chris Keller, was he like the bad kid that started fires? You know, a hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah. He was like definitely the kid who pants to other kids in school. Always get into trouble. Yep. He probably had absentee parents too. Well, I was going to say he strikes me as like, like a boy who had a single mother who was a real mama's boy, but didn't want anyone at school to know. Like,

Like he's got that where he's like, really? I just want all these girls to hug me and love me and touch me and kiss me. But, um, I'm going to light a fire and pants you. Oh, that's hilarious. You naughty boy. Um, okay. But who in real life would get cold? And there's, I mean, can we answer that? Are we allowed to say that? Really? I think we all know the real answer, but well, maybe we'll keep it to ourselves. I'm trying to think if there's anyone that we can, we can jokingly put out there. Um,

No, I think it's more interesting for you at home to discuss. Who do you think? Who do you think part of our tribe is going to get called? Why don't you hit us with that in our in our Instagram posts? It's not me. I'm a princess. It's not any of you. Same. Not it. Not us.

These lovely ladies never. Trouble. I've never. Guys, this was a really fun. This is a massive episode. Yeah. Monster. Frankly, I'm exhausted. So let's hope next week is gentle on us. I doubt it. What do we have next week, guys? Next week is episode 11 called The Heart Brings You Back. All right. Bring us home. See you next week, everybody. Thanks for hanging out.

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