Let's Talk Love, Sobriety, and Family....with Rick Salomon
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Really interesting guests. One of my ex-husbands, I like how I have to say one of them. And I think the same amount as you and one of my stepdaughters. Hey, I mean, this is pretty wild. So Rick Solomon and his daughter Tyson are here.

Hi. What's happening? What's happening? Some of you may be listening. I was married to Rick. I think we got married in 2002, January. I just looked it up. I would never have any idea otherwise. And we got annulled in May of 2023.

So technically we don't have to call each other like ex-wife and ex-husband because we got an old, but we still do. Yeah. Yeah. And we got married super fast. Do you remember how long we were dating before we got married?

Three weeks. Was it only three weeks? No, it was longer than that. No way. I remember we were in your car and we were at the Beverly Connection, the one across from the Beverly Center, and we were having this conversation. And the conversation ended with Rick being like, all right, let's go get married. Like, you know, we had the conversation. And so we did. And we went to Vegas.

Yeah, we went to Vegas and I had a witness, you had a witness. And then I said to you, like, I can't get married without my dad being there. And my mom, you're like, if we're going to do this, we're going to do this right now. I remember your parents being there. They were. No, you gave me like, you were like, they got to get on a plane now. But they were definitely there. That was crazy.

That was wild. Like, was it just normal for you? It felt weird to me. Well, I think even when he's doing, when you are like at the craps table, if they don't have the money right then and there, he won't gamble. So I think that for him, if it's not there and happening then and there, he's like bad luck.

Right. It has to be done. And I think like when my first marriage, their mom, I think there was like, I don't know, she was, you wanted more of a companion, more like husband, more, you know, just normal shit. Yeah, it was more traditional. I didn't know anything about that, even though I'd been married before. All of a sudden I was like, I just was like, I didn't take marriage. Like, okay, yeah, we'll do it. We didn't met. Just let the dice roll. Right. You know, EJ is very, that's your mom, your first wife. She's,

She was awesome. She was really good with me, like inviting me in and making me feel welcome and making me feel welcome to like the kids and you. And I never felt really threatened by her. She was awesome. And she definitely, from what I know of that small period of time, gave you a lot of leeway. Yeah. And I was not the girl giving you leeway. Yeah. Yeah.

But then also you were like, I mean, different situations, super famous in that fucking thousand. Where was it at? What's it called? The lemon farm was. What's it? No, that was later when we first. Oh, that was the beginning. We were married and then we were all somewhere on the lemon farm and with no, how like 15 minutes from the store. And I'm like looking around like, uh, I can't live on no fucking lemon farm in 15 minutes from the store. That was so much. So much, so much. Oh yeah. Yeah.

It was like way past Thousand Oaks. It was an hour and then it was like you get off the freeway and 20 minutes up to the thing. Far away. It was a real life lemon farm. It was like 20 acre lemon farm. 20 acre lemon farm. I was like, she has lemons. She has a lot of lemons.

I'm like, I'll go crazy. Yeah, that place had, we sold it like Sunkist, but it was like more parks, Simi Valley, like out in that sort of neighborhood. So for somebody who... We didn't have a lemonade stand. For somebody who was not used to like traditional marriage and being home and watching TV. But also I was hustling straight, you know what I mean? I'm just like young and hustling, you know what I mean?

You weren't that young, dude. Oh, in my eyes, I was young. You were not that young. Like, you were in your 30s. Yeah, I'm still like, still hadn't made it. That's not that young. I was still out on the streets. I know. I should have married you now when you've made it. Like, that's, I was stupid. I should have just said like, no, this guy's not done yet. He's going to go back in the oven. We're going to let him bake some more. Should have made it a couple more weeks. I know. Dummy, dummy, dummy. So, and then, I don't know, like in your eyes, like,

Because I know people think it's weird. I've had a lot of my friends be like, wait, you're still friends with Rick. And I'm like, yeah, like, why wouldn't I be? It may have been tumultuous at times in our marriage. But at the end of the day, I've like, I always loved you. You always made me laugh. You always made me smile. Sometimes you made me cry. But that's only when you didn't come home because you were off doing other stuff, not cheating or any of that stuff, but other stuff, which you can tell your story if you want.

I'll tell you, I remember a distinct night for me was my friend Debra and her husband Craig Rover. Do you remember this night?

and they were going to spend the weekend. He's like, no, I don't remember most of that time period. You just started with not really that much detail to the story. Cray, you're just one of your best friends. Cray and Debra, you remember that night? No, remember the other house in Malibu that I had? Yeah, okay, that's the one she knew. We moved in there, right, and that's the house you know. Yeah, okay. So we moved in there, and they came over, and there was supposed to be like a whole –

you know, like weekend thing. They were spending the weekend with us. And then you looked at me and you're like, I'm going to Vegas. And I was like, what? And you're like, I'm going. And I was like, no, like you can't like, and I was so hurt. And you went to the airport and,

And I was in the bedroom. Deb and Craig were in the pool. It was late at night. And he comes walking back in. And it was the last thing I expected him to do. But you were like, all right, I'm staying. And I was like, see, he's got like, you've always had just like the sweetest, kindest heart. I've always felt. I came back.

You did. You came back. You know, there were other times that you didn't. But this time you did. And I think that, I don't know, I always felt like regardless of what happened with you and me, that I had somebody in my corner that I could call you anytime.

and be like, hey, I'm in trouble or I need you to bail me out of jail or I need you to do this and you would do it. He's good at showing up when the time matters. He's also good at giving a one when you're...

I know a lot of people that could feel really like lost or depressed or hopeless or something. And then a lot of times he's like not the right person to talk to. But sometimes when you're really down under, he has got like a one-liner thing that you're like, oh, wow, my whole perspective could have like changed. And he's got that. So you can show up and he's got a good like one-liners.

she told me this story the other day that she broke up with her boyfriend and she's like devastated and I was like oh how exciting you don't know what's going to be next and she was like huh how exciting how exciting you don't know who you're going to get to go meet someone new he's like I know what my life looks like I'm going to go to Vegas I'm going to gamble and I hang with my dogs he's like you don't know what your life's going

Life's going to look like how exciting. What an adventure. I was like, that's a good perspective. That is a good perspective. Yeah. Well, also, by the way, look at you. Like, you're not going to have any trouble finding a boyfriend. You're gorgeous. And I cannot take credit for any of that because you're not biologically my kid. I wish I could take credit for it. I feel like I look like you a little bit. Especially right now. We both have brown hair. I know, right? Brown hair.

We've got a little. Same coloring. Same coloring. Yeah. So, okay. We got divorced because you had a little bit of a drug thing back then. I always think, I think to myself, I don't know, like, girls always wanted the bad boy until they met me. Like, oh, he's too bad. And that was the way it was. And it was like falling in love and then I'd just be too.

Because back then, he would fall in and out of it. Now you're like 15 years sober, right? But back then, he wasn't. And he would go on, maybe I'll be sober for three weeks or four weeks or six months. I tried to start getting sober when I was 18 years old. I didn't get long-term sobriety until I'm 40, 55 now. But in those 22 years I tried to get sober, I got sober seven times a year. I would get like, you know.

clean up, go to the gym. And I think being sober, it actually made him a little introverted, which is like back then, obviously not now, you're clearly not introverted, but like back then it would. So there was this like shyness and a charm about him that made,

Someone like me fall in love with him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He is still shy, though, because he is still, like, the guy at the party that kind of just wants to go home. Or, like, I think there is, like, a wholesomeness about him where he's like, I like to go on walks, or I like to hang with my dogs, or I like to be at home. He is, like, awkward when he is sober. Yeah, but once I'm comfortable, I don't shut the fuck up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm so glad you're comfortable right now. But so we ended up...

What ended up happening is he obviously didn't stay sober. And then, like, it just started spiraling. And eventually things happened that I sadly was like, I can't. Like, I can't do this anymore. Like, I... Because I did really want to be married. I wanted to be married to you. I wanted it to work out. But...

I had to, it wasn't going to work out because he needed to go through a lot more stuff, I think, and find his true sobriety, which you've done. And, you know, I think it's probably been amazing for you and your sister just how better you are at showing up for people in your life, even though you were always fairly good at that. At least for me, you were. I was just a drug addict. Right.

So what was like the catalyst and what happened where you got sober? You don't have to say it if you don't want to. It was everything. My whole life fell apart. Like every, every, everything. His brain stopped working. Couldn't open the safe. Yeah, yeah. Well, that was the thing. I said, okay, I heard if you go to rehab for a month, you, and I went a couple of times, you have a 3% chance of staying sober. And if you go for a year, you have an 85% chance of staying sober. And yeah.

I always said if I ever smoke crack cocaine again, I'm going to fucking go to rehab for a year. And then I couldn't remember my safe code that I go in and all the time. And I'm a numbers guy. And I was like, for some reason, I was like, dude, my whole life was falling apart. They were going to Australia without me. My passport was in the safe that I couldn't get in there. We're leaving that night. I'm a fucking mess. And I just remember thinking that fucking you promised you were going to go fucking, you know, if you smoke this shit again, I've been smoking for eight months. I was like 150 pounds.

The bathtub overflowed. I had like $7 million in my box. I lost like $8 million. You know what I mean? I was like, you know, I had to like figure out how to pay for rehab for a year, how to pay for my kids for a year, how to pay for, you know, some debts, my house, everything, my assistant, everything. You know what I mean? Going into rehab with like fucking being a million dollars in debt. And then, yeah, everything just fell apart. Yeah.

Even when I was in rehab, she's telling me, she's walking around rehab going, and I was in, I was in Australia. I did make it to Australia, by the way. They drilled that motherfucking safe. And I was in Australia walking around 150 and they don't have real cocaine in Australia. It's like, everybody does it. It's $300 a gram. I bought a hundred bags. Fucking none of it was fucking worth, you know, and I mean, thank God, I was eating like 20 hits of ecstasy a day, like a zombie. Finally, get me the fuck back to, I was supposed to play a poker tournament there. I didn't play. I was like, get me back to America. Some real cocaine. I come back,

Going like, you know, supposed to go for two day thing, fucking two days. I'm supposed to go to rehab. I show up by like two weeks later. So, but even in rehab, so scared. She's walk around daddy going, if you don't quit smoking cigarettes, you're not going to grow old and get to meet my fucking kids. You know, I'm in rehab. 10 days, I started coughing blood, chunks of blood. His mom died before I was born. So I thought, so I think that was definitely like for him, like, oh, my mom didn't get to meet my kids. I'm not going to get to meet my kids' kids.

And so I'm coughing up this fucking blood. And I would do like a couple of years before I went to this wellness center and like they did these full lung x-rays. And I remember, you know, I better go do this lung scan. I go do the fucking lung scan. The nurse turns white. I mean, I look like she saw the ghost, you know.

I'm like, well, I read people for a living, you know what I mean? But sometimes it's called a bad reading, you know what I mean? I'm like, I hope this is a bad read. The doctor comes in. He's like, you got a golf ball-sized tumor in your lungs. You got to go to surgery right now, you know what I mean? And then I was like, well, it's Friday afternoon. There's a lot of traffic, you know what I mean?

You sure we don't have no options? And he starts like pushing buttons. He's like, you're a gambling man. You're a gambling man. There's a 10% chance that fucking you just have abscess. But now we won't know till Monday. But he was telling me 10 minutes before I had to go to surgery right then. Every second counts. Where'd I go? But I was happy I had a 10% chance. I'm like, I've beaten worse odds. I was like, pretty cool. All right, I got a 10% chance. So, you know, I'm just comfortable with death. You know what I mean? I thought about it. And the thing I'm like, die asleep. It's not that bad. Right? Yeah.

And, um, but I wasn't that comfortable telling her. I was like, fuck, I gotta tell this little girl that fucking her dad fucked up, did too many drugs and smoked cigarettes. I'm dying of lung cancer. So, Monday I go do fucking more tests. It's Monday afternoon, the doctor still doesn't tell me fucking anything. I call him, I'm like, yo homie, what the fuck do I got? He told me every second counts. He goes, give me 15 minutes, give me 15 minutes. By the way, now I gotta figure out who's gonna do my lung surgery.

So it was over that weekend. I had to find a doctor. I had to do all this shit. I'm like, I got problems now. I got to figure out who's the surgeon to do this shit. I never did that before. So no one's taking care of me. And I figured that all out. And he calls me back 15 minutes later. He says, you got a fucking tumor. It's lighting up your lymph nodes. You got to go to surgery right now.

What year was this? This is exactly 15 years ago. So fucking system falls over crying. I'm like, I'm like, yo, dude, fuck it. I'm cool. I can fucking make it to the hospital. I know people freak out when someone's dying. You know what I mean? Like, I don't like, you know, people freak the fuck. It's cool. And he always says, he'll call me at weird times and be like, hey, if I die, I want you to be happy. And like, he'll call me at a random day and be like, we all died in a plane crash. Where do you want the money to go? I'm like, huh? Why are you doing this to me?

Well, I mean, nobody wants somebody to die. And for, you know, I love you, but I want you to be happy. And if you live forever, everybody's going to fucking die. If you're 100 years old, every one of your motherfucking friends die. You know what I mean? So they're just like, hey, you got to just like, this is your story. And you got to be thankful. Hopefully you find some new friends because they're just to wear a tat. They're like, okay.

I gotta be happy. So fucking whatever. I go to the fucking, you know, right there. We go to fucking Cedars emergency, go do surgery for my shit. And I, and,

And you know, I get there and the doctor looks at it and goes, you don't fucking have a tumor. And if you do, it ain't lighting up to your lymph nodes. And fuck, it said the complete opposite. I was going in surgery, like in the thing. They did a biopsy and it was just a chunk of crack cocaine still on my fucking lungs. I've been smoking an ounce a day for like four or five months. Are you kidding? You had a chunk of crack cocaine stuck in your... That is nuts.

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You know, my mom died a brutal, brutal, brutal cancer death when I was 11 years old. And I just didn't believe in God. You know what I mean? I was just like, wow, that lady, the nicest lady I ever knew, fucking died the most brutal death. And...

So I just was like in the thing when I met this dude in rehab and he was like, Rick, I thought I smoked crack cocaine every single day. I thought I was gone. I was like telling the kids I had in my thing that your dad is cracking. That's just the way it is. You know what I mean? I get used to it. I ain't hiding my pipe no more. And then she was, oh, she's on Christmas Day. The poor little girl caught me like fucking God. Daddy's smoking poison. Daddy's smoking poison. Because I went on and she called me fucking smoking crack on Christmas Day. And, you know, I was in their next room smoking crack. So it was just it was just all around.

What was I talking about before the daddy smoking poison? You were talking about finding God. Oh, the God, the most important thing. Right. So the dude just told, I thought crack cocaine was going to be in my cells forever for the rest of my life. You know what I mean? I always think about it. And that was it. So the dude just told me, pray. He goes, pray for the obsession every morning for the, please, dear God,

God, Ronnie, please, dear God, you know, remove the obsession. I don't want to do any drugs or alcohol anymore. They ruined my life. I also pray, please, dear God, let me do your will and not mine. Mine always gets me in trouble. Please, dear God, help me stay sober today.

You know, I do it every single morning. Then I do my little meditation, pray for people. And I've been doing it for 15 years. And it worked. And he said, I don't know if it's going to take a day or a month or two months, but I promise that obsession is going to be removed. And I was just willing. And that was that. That's just, you know, just like everybody just talks about it. I didn't know. I didn't know the answer. Like my dude, I didn't know how to stay off drugs. I know how to stay off drugs for a little bit.

But I knew, and I also knew I couldn't do drugs anymore. Like my brain, like there's also, that's a whole other story, but I lost my mind in rehab sober. You know what I mean? So I was like three days from sleep deprivation. You know what I mean? I was like fucking gone, you know? Was that just from like the detoxing? No, I didn't sleep from, you know what I mean? I was like, I don't know, I'd stay up for a week, sleep for half a day, stay up for a week, you know, a hundred. So all of a sudden I'm in rehab and I can't sleep and they're trying to give me sleep meds.

And I'm like, sleep meds means I'm going to get me some cocaine. You know what I mean? I'm like not the dude on the street. I don't just call them up. They're going to come pick me up. Like I'm getting picked up getting the fuck out of here. Drugs. I came here to get off drugs. You know what I mean? I can't drugs. I mix them. Going down, I'm going up. You know? So, and then I found in the book, like no alcoholic or drug addict will ever die from sleep deprivation. Eventually, they just got to suffer. Eventually, they're going to sleep. And I'm showing them. But these motherfucking rehabs just try to give everybody drugs. You know what I mean? I wouldn't have found God if I took the drugs. So then I was like...

Having these crazy fucking dreams. I'm sweating. The place that promises turned into fucking like Nightmare on Elm Street. Demons chasing after me. You know what I mean? Demons were chasing after me. I was sweating my fucking brains out. All of a sudden, I had a roommate. And then there was a bathroom and then there was two other dudes over there. And this one dude got his face kicked in. And he was like going to surgery the next day. And he was like, please, please.

Please, please be quiet in my face. I have a real bad, I'm getting surgery tomorrow. I have the worst headache in the world. Everybody, please be quiet. So all of a sudden, this one dude opens the door and he's like, where's my pipe? And the guy's like, I left it in the main house, right?

And then all of a sudden, fucking the guy slams the door so loud. And then all of a sudden, I know there's going to be a fight because this guy has to be fucking real quiet. He just slammed the door like so loud. And all of a sudden, I'm like, pipe. You know, who's flying over the pipe on Nightmare on Elm Street night? You know what I mean? There's demons chasing me. And then all of a sudden, I'm getting in.

And the little dude, my little roommate's like 18 years old. He never left his house. He's some rich kid, but somehow shooting heroin. You know what I mean? I don't even know how he found heroin or what the deal is. And he's screaming, Rick, what should we do? What should we do? And then I'm like, yo, dude, like, you know what I mean? Like, you know, demons, no demons. You got to see what the fuck's going on. So I opened the door.

The dudes is fighting! The dudes is fighting! They say a power greater than you will restore you to fucking sanity. I snapped out of my fucking psychosis. I went outside, I smoked a cigarette. I came back in, I slept like a baby and I've been sane ever since then. And I'll tell you one thing, death is peaceful. Remember I told you I ain't scared of death. I'll fucking lie the fuck down. But being insane?

that's a whole different you know what I mean I had a couple bad trips before being that bad trip for the rest of your life ain't fucking it's like I can't deal I'm like that's too much for me what do I do how do I stay sober I'm gonna do it and if you told me to walk fucking all the way to Point Doom back every morning because at 6am that's what you do to stay sober I was gonna try I wouldn't say I'd continue to do it but

But I was just willing to try it. You know what I mean? I just, that's it. And so that, like finding God and saying that prayer, do you really attribute a lot of that

to keeping you sober for 15 years? I don't know what happens if I didn't. What I attribute to sober is me being willing to do it. I did find God and he has come and showed up for me, but I've been doing it. I don't know what my life would be like if I didn't do it, but I had to be told this is what we do. You wouldn't be here. This is what we do, homie. And guess what? And I did it. It worked and I just keep doing it. Obviously,

we weren't married for a super long time, but like, I know what you were like. And so does, you know, Tyson and Hunter and EG and a bunch of us. I honestly don't think that you would be here if you hadn't gotten sober. You won the all time award trophy medal for like, you know, drugs and the amount that you could, could. Yeah. Yeah. So wait, so Tyson, you were, cause you're how old now? 25.

And you're sober now, too. Yeah, I got sober originally when I was 15. He sent me to rehab. I was in rehab for like a year. Had a hard year 2022, I think, like a little bit after quarantine. Went back out, super like...

secretive, like, relapse because I was sober for so long. I was sober for all my teens. Everyone that knew me knew I was, like, the sober girl with the sober dad doing sober things. And there was, like, too much, like, well, first off, like, just a complete inability to be, like, honest with myself. Like, oh, no, I'm, like, a full-on, like, drug addict again. But also just, like, how do I go from being this person and having this ego and this sense of, like, self, like,

who am I to all of a sudden like I literally don't know who I am and how am I back to where I was when I was 15 and how do I get out of this and I also don't know how and I don't really know if I want to because I was sober for a long time and it wasn't really helping me or I don't feel like I got all the things that you see some other people like he got sober and he got super like happy successful whatever joyous free whatever you want to call it you know

So I think then, you know, getting back again, my whole life fall apart. Me and him weren't even talking. Just a total disaster. Didn't know who I wanted, what I wanted to do or who I wanted to be. And then just, you know,

my appendix burst on my way out to do like another... No, no, no. You got to talk about it. So this motherfucker's journey. So she's doing ayahuasca like... That scares me. I'm pretty sure I would go on the journey and never come back. Well, okay. So she's talking these journeys and past lives and gods and whatever's going on in this and all this moons and all the lives and all the past lives and all that shit. I'm like, yo, homie, I ain't...

arguing with you. I'm like, there's fucking like past lives, all that you, all the spirits. I believe in it all. But if you're trying to figure it out, you're going to be fucked. Right. Because there ain't no, there's no figuring out. You're just going to be in trying to figure unsolvable riddles for the rest of your life. And you're going to be cuckoo. Right. So you're here. Do the best you can. This is where you're at.

This little motherfucker sneaks off to the jungle to go do another ceremony. This is a true story. Right? Fucking in the jungle by herself. She's leaving at midnight.

the doctor cat like when the mom when there's a problem in the family like medical shit I'm always like call your mom hold on the backstory of the story is that so I've been I thought I was doing drugs for like four or five months it was like two years and it was getting really bad it was like k-holes every night and just like my body wasn't working my brain isn't functioning I can't sleep it's just like I went from like oh I do drugs that are like gonna make me feel a little bit better and

All of a sudden now I'm just doing anything I can and some things aren't working and some things I don't care. And it's like the same thing. I'm not really scared of death, but I'm kind of scared of just being here uncomfortable in my skin. I don't want to do it. So then I'm like something I need God help me. God help me. Like I hate I hate everything. And I'm going to do this third time.

And this time I'm like, I'm not doing this anymore. I don't want to be here. I'm going to Columbia and I'm hoping I couldn't get sober either. You're supposed to get sober before you go do these ceremonies. You're supposed to have like 30 days, nothing. I couldn't stop. I couldn't do stop my Adderall. I can stop my cake, any of it. So then I'm like, well, you know, if I die, I die. If I lose my mind, I lose my mind. It's fine. At least it's better than this.

So I go, I'm like packed, ready to go. And my stomach is like kind of hurting. So I call him one day in the morning. Oh, my stomach's kind of hurting. He's like, hmm, I bet your appendix is bursting. Call your mom. I didn't say that. I said, go to the emergency room right now. Your appendix burst. You don't remember the fucking story about your appendix burst. And I don't know why I just had my dad, but I mean,

I'm like, go to the fucking emergency room right now. I didn't. I took my cats to get their nails clipped. I kept packing my suitcase. I was like, I'm going to the hospital. I was right. The fucking appendix burst. Yeah, yeah, yeah. An hour before my flight. And so if I had been on the flight, I would have gone into like, it would have had spillage. My appendix would have burst in the air on like some really cheap foreign flight. Right, you would have been like septic. I would have been septic on the plane.

And also, do you really want to sit on the plane and tell everyone, hey, I could be constipated, I could have gas, or my appendix is going to burst. Please land this flight. I don't want to be held responsible for making all these people. Whatever it is, she didn't go to the jungle. That was her, she's been clunk cool ever since. Because to me, that was the medicine or whatever, being like, yo, homie, I am here for you.

you know, for certain times. And now you're like abusing me just like everything else. So this isn't an option anymore. Go find something else. And that's where I'm like, oh my God, my life has become completely powerless, completely unmanageable. I don't have another option. I was going to go there. And if I lost my mind, I was going to go live in the jungle and do whatever. And now I'm stuck here with myself and my feelings and whatever the hell my life looks like. And I have to figure out a way. And that's where again, I'm like, kind of like him, just like willing of, can someone tell me what to do? Because my way isn't working.

Right. So then who was the person that helped? I mean, you don't have to say their name, but like how did you finally come to the resolution that you needed to get help? Oh, well, my appendix burst and I still couldn't stop the drugs. That's when like, so I have, I'm very vain and like I care a lot about the way that I look and my body and workouts and skin. And I have these big scars and I'm still doing these K-holes and I remember throwing up in my sink and

And my thing, my cuts were bleeding. And I'm like, oh, my God. Like, I can't stop doing these drugs. So then I kind of was like, I think I need to go to, like, a meeting or something. Go.

I found this woman. I had a guy that I really liked, and he kind of told me, like, he's actually my boyfriend now, but he told me, like, I think you should get sober. Like, I think you need to do, like, some, just go back to, like, hey, do your thing. And I was like, oh, God, like, I don't believe in any of that. I don't want to. But I did find a sponsor. I just found, like, women that I just trusted what they said, and that was it. It was like I just listened to someone else whose life seemed better than mine. It was just that. That's it. My life is miserable. You seem happy. Yeah.

That was it. And I was just willing to listen to that person. And my life's cool today. I'm pretty happy. Yeah, you seem pretty happy. Thanks. I mean, that's a lot to go through, though, at your age.

I've gone through a lot of different things. That one's kind of okay. That one is self-imposed, I would say. I've gone through a lot of things that weren't self-imposed or were just a product of my own card that I was dealt and dealing with it the best way that I could. But definitely relapsing and not looking for any sort of difference. That was just my own thing until I decided that I just didn't want to do it that way. Yeah.

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I don't know if you remember this story of you and me, but you, Hunter, your dad, myself, we took you guys to the Cross Creek Playground. Okay. And you started throwing sand at Hunter. And it was like nonstop. And it was all in Hunter's eyes. And you were screaming and we tried to get you to stop. And you were like...

I don't really, you know, like you, you know, and I, he wasn't as strict as I was. I came from like the South. And so I picked you up and I looked at Rick and I said, stay here with Hunter. Have fun. I'm taking Tyson home. And,

And he was like, you sure? And I'm like, yeah, trust me. I pick you up and you're like punching me. But you're like four. You're like little fists and you're like, and you're screaming. People all throughout the park are like looking at us. I'm like, I just, I can't worry about this. Put you in the car, strapped you in, took you to the house, put you in the back room in the back bedroom that you and Hunter used to stay in. And I said to you, I was like, listen,

I'm going to lock the door and you're going to stay here until you stop crying. Do I destroy everything? I didn't lock the door because I was paranoid of something happening. But I was like, I'm not dealing with your shit. Like, get over yourself. When you're done, knock on the door and we can talk. And you cried in that room for approximately five, eight minutes. And I was sitting outside. And then you were so cute because all of a sudden there was this little knock. I'm ready. I'm ready.

And I was like, I opened the door and you were, you were like a totally different person. You were calm. You were happy. I think you were really happy that it was like your sister wasn't there with us, that it was just like you and me. And we sat down and like, we talked and we had fun and we watched TV and like everything was cool. And when they finally came back, you were happy.

Fine. But I always said, I was like, you reminded me, out of the two of you, you reminded me the most of him with that like sort of stubborn streak. You have a stubborn streak. Well, I think it's like for me, that would be, it's like, it's almost like a bit of like compulsive and like OCD. And so if it's like a thought or if it's like,

And in anger or like Hunter did something that pissed me off in that moment. And I want to throw sand at her. Like, I can't stop. It's like that until I think I think something else switches or like the scene is different. So even with like, yeah, it's just like.

Until it's not working for anymore. Like, maybe, like, with the sand, like, I'm not allowed to throw sand anymore. I have all these feelings, but I'm not back at the sand thing. Like, maybe I just now I need to try something else, which is here's the opportunity of being nice, having a nice conversation, and, like, okay, I can do that. Because that's the same way when I got sober the first time. I was a really big disaster. And they, like, separated me from this one house and, like,

It was just a whole... Just, like... And they told me, you're going to be in rehab until you're 18 years old. I was like, that's three years. I'm so depressed. I saw all these kids moving and going. It was a 48 program. I was in there for, like, six months. I was like, what is going on? But I remember it was, like, my way, again, isn't working. And, like, I'm going to be in, like, a shitty situation if I don't fix this. And he was like, look, homie, like, you can keep, like, trying to off yourself and, like, being a crazy person. Or you can go live in Malibu and work, like...

get a nice little job and like be normal. And I was like, that sounds like a good idea. I was like, yo, it ain't like we're on that strict of a fucking parent. You don't got it that fucking bad. I'm like, you obviously wasn't handling drugs and alcohol, so you can't do none until you're fucking 18 years old. But you know what I mean? You got the whole life in front of you and like, you just don't do any drugs. You got a good life. And so how do you like, how do you stay sober now?

Well, I work a very strong program of recovery. I like wake up every day and like my sponsor, Kara, who's like my little mentor, she always says like, you wake up every day with untreated alcoholism. So every single day you have to be of service to someone else. You have to get outside yourself because the problem is you. It's like bondage of self, self-seeking, selfish, all about me, self-centered fear. I'm not going to be enough. I'm not going to succeed. I'm not going to have the job. I'm not going to get the guy. I'm not going to keep the guy, whatever it is.

And then it's, like, getting outside myself, helping someone else, showing up with my dad, coming to hang out with you. Like, now I'm not thinking about me and I'm at peace. Right. So it's all that stuff. And then, yeah, it's just, like, and again, it's, like, listening to someone else. I usually don't have the greatest idea. My head usually is always full of, like, fear and, like, not the right thing. So going to someone else, talking to someone else, and just knowing I can't operate on, like, drugs. It just doesn't work. I, like…

tried in and my life becomes very catastrophes very quick. So it's like proof is in the pudding. I want to be happy. I want a good life. I want to be successful. I want all those things. So it's like, I can't have that with drugs. I just have to not do them and find something else that works.

So do you guys hold each other accountable now at all? No. Or do you keep it all totally separate? Yeah, because that was like... It's like, nah. Well, it's also, yeah, it's also like that was for me a really big problem was that I was like, okay, great, your life's all together, but like I want to die and I hate mine. But I felt, because he got, he had five years when I had zero. Like I just started being in rehab. I did feel like, well, no one else has any skin in the game besides me and him. Especially like quarantine came in and it was like everyone in quarantine was just,

doing so many drugs and it was like the only other person I knew that was sober was my dad and I feel like vice versa but I just felt slightly like how is he supposed to stay sober if no one else around him is sober but for me I wasn't happy sober so that's where like it wasn't working at that time but now it's just like we just hang out but we are not like sober buddies or anything no

No sober buddies but your daughter. And we're sober, right? My daughter's sober. I'm proud of her. She's fucking awesome. AA was there for a hundred times more than me. I needed a rehab. I went to AA a long time. I'm not saying they didn't do it. I just didn't have anyone hold my hand and really sit me down and really make me do shit. I just went and would listen to stories. And that was enough for me, by the way, to see some cool people that I respected that didn't do drugs and alcohol anymore was enough for me to stay sober for a lot of times but not change my life and do all that. Yeah.

And she got all that. She found some amazing women that, like, held her hand and take her through the steps and, you know, make her work. And they're serious. I mean, that's not my experience. But so for me, it's just finding people that, like, have, again, like what you said, have what I want and are just, like, living life good. I just hang out with sober people and I do sober things. I mean, you must be proud of each other. Like, I'm, you know, like, I'm super proud of you just knowing what you were like and, like,

seeing you after, you know, a bender and being so scared that I was going to get the phone call that, you know, you had died. So for me, it's, it's, I'm really, really, really proud of you. And I think you're doing phenomenal. And now hearing your story, knowing like what kind of a little girl you were and that you were, you were my kind of little girl in the sense of, I always liked the sort of stubborn, spunky, you know,

You were named properly, right? Tyson is the proper name for you. But I always liked that. You were a tomboy. You handled yourself. But now to know everything that you went through and that you're sober and you seem and you're successful, you have found sort of what makes you happy, right? You have a bomb that you do called Tybalt that's for your body and it's all natural and you make it yourself and you haven't like

put it off on 20 assistants or a manufacturing company or anything else, you're

And it's like sold out all the time, right? Yeah. Well, it originally happened just kind of like on TikTok and stuff. Like I've been just doing kind of skincare, healthcare, like mental health, just whatever, just positive, healthy living type stuff. And my skincare was always included in that. This like video went super viral of me doing my nighttime routine. And people were like, what are you using? And I'm like, this is just my product. They're like, can we have it? And I was like, it's not out. And they're like, can you make it? And I was like, okay, I guess. And I thought it was going to be like,

maybe 100 people and that was kind of going to be it. And so I opened the thing and it got like, you know, 2000 right away and I was like, close the store and I was like, oh my God, I have to figure out how to do this and like seize to the occasion. I had now like all these people's money like that was, you know, deposited and I have investors. The customers were my investors and like they were like, we just want you to make it, take your time. And I was like, I got to do this. And I found like random girls at the nail salon that are like, I just moved here and I don't have any friends. I'd be like, you can come work for me and hang out

in my apartment, I have friends. And like these girls would come work for me and hang out. And I would just do these drops. And every time I would sell out, it was like the first time I did like 800, 800 in like two hours. And I closed the store and make them all up. Then I did like 2003 hours and close the store and make it up. And I just kept it like this kind of like scarcity. She never left the store open. Yeah, I never left the store open. So it was like, it was either like, I didn't need to,

I didn't need you. You needed this. Cause like here I am. It's currently out of stock. Cause I'm like, open that store up and sell as many motherfuckers as you can and figure it out.

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You guys, Rick was so sort of anti-podcast that he actually yesterday offered me $30,000 instead of doing the podcast. And I was like, no, thank you. She was like a million. I was like a million and I'll take it. You don't have to pay me. I'm like, I'll take it here and get out of this thing. It's like a number thing. We all have our number, right? Yeah. I'm doing it for you. I'm 100% here. This is your deal. And that's just where I'm at in my life. I left off.

Before we got into everything else. Do you have any memories of like, because you were so young? I do. I remember swimming. I remember Leroy, the dog. And yeah, I mean, I remember you were like stern, like you said. I always liked stuff like that. Because, you know, it was like I needed like the boundaries. Boundaries.

and like I can't win here. I always needed that very clear line otherwise I was always going to like bully you, go over it, get what I want and like what I wanted usually was never the right thing for me. You know, it's like with a kid being like what do you want, candy or broccoli? I want candy. Well, you're going to have broccoli. Right. Like I just wanted my way. So I do remember that and

I remember hanging out on the couch. And that was about it. Oh, my God. I should have. I remember the Halloween costumes. That's, I was just going to say, I'm going to pull out those photos and I'm going to post them when this comes out. He was in his astronaut suit. Yeah. You were, yeah, you were the astronaut with the full helmet and everything. I liked your house. I remember liking being here. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. All right. You.

Why don't we talk about you? Yeah. Let's talk about like, like what is, I want to know like the best thing about our time together and your biggest regret. I know. I mean, like it's time to hit hard. I had some, uh,

I don't know. Every guy's dream. I'm fucking very proud that I was married to you. I love you a lot. I just like think, I mean, like, wow. I mean, like, you're the best looking brunette fucking with the light eyes in the world. So, like, you know, and I got her. So, I mean, like, what a great thing. You got to remember, I somehow, like, you know what I mean? I don't know, whatever it is, I've accomplished some shit sort of for my dreams. You know what I mean? Like, little Ricky Solomon's New Jersey dreams had come to California. And, like, I knew when I was a little kid, like,

I could tell that they, you know, I didn't go to school. My mom died. Like, no, I think I quit going to school seventh grade and I can tell a teacher, even though they pushed me ahead for a couple of years, but I never went, you know, I could tell teachers weren't going to be fucking happy and you know, they weren't happy. I'm like, what are you going to teach me? You're not happy. You live in New Jersey, homie. It's freezing and they're not happy. Sometimes they burst out crying. Sometimes they would hit me, you

But I could tell that as a little kid and I came out here and, you know, I mean, I like, you know, like, yeah, you're part of my story. And what an amazing thing that I was married to you and I loved you and we had some great times. We had some wild times. We had some bad times, but it's all part of my journey and got me here. I don't think I've ever heard you compliment me that much. So thanks. That's really sweet. What's your biggest regret? I don't know.

I don't really have no regrets. I know. I know. You're like, it's life. That's like, you learn from it all. Even with them, I mean, I fucking, you know what I mean? Like, I like, you know, there's videos of them fucking, you know, crying. I go, I know my mommy loves me.

loves me but where's my daddy you know I disappeared for months I didn't hang out with the kids on my coat you know most of the time you know I'm smoking crack I'm not near my kids you know so but now for the last 15 years I got to be there present accountable and and wanting to be there I'm there for my you know and for anybody I'm like there and present I'm not thinking I might be thinking about my game sometimes because I do eat betta a lot still but besides that I'm here I'm present I haven't looked at my phone for a fucking thing I'm like you know and I want to be there and I'm happy to be there

And so that's just a huge difference. And I don't think any of that would, you know, that just happened in my, I, you know, I don't know if I stayed married to you, what would happen. And, and, you know, who the fuck knows? I don't know. You know, I story would be different, right? Wait, my story would be different. I probably wouldn't have the success I do today. And also, um,

I probably might not ever got sober. I might be dead. I don't fucking know. There's so many of my friends that died. I mean, people are just dying. All because you stayed married to me? No, no. I'm just trying to say. Just like, I don't know. Or maybe you would have gotten sober sooner and had more success earlier. But I don't know. But also, I was under the fucking thing of like, no, I probably could have pulled off. I don't know the answer. The point is, you can't like rewriting history and having regrets. Yeah, who the fuck knows? Yeah, exactly. Or regretting what I wrote. Right.

I don't really know anything. God damn. Were you prepared at all for the kind of attention that you would receive as like my husband? Because as you stated, I was super famous at the time. Were you prepared for that?

I didn't really. I mean, I don't think I didn't really. Didn't really bother you. And we didn't really. We hung out. We were pretty isolated. We hung out a little bit. And when I went out, I don't think it was that big of a deal. It was like, it was not a life or anything. Right. And we were like around a lot of other famous people. So it wasn't. Yeah, I don't think it was. Like always your friends, not mine. How did we remain friends? Because I don't think there were really any hard feelings. Yeah, I don't know.

Yeah, no, it was cool. I think we were still weaseling in there for a couple of years after the marriage. That's true. We didn't actually like that. We didn't like end in like we ended the marriage, but we would see each other on occasion because there was still like love and feelings there and attraction and all of that. So yeah,

Yeah, you would come over to the house. We had fun. We had fun. The marriage lasted a little over a year, but the relationship lasted longer than that. Yeah, a couple years. Do you want to answer this? You married Pam Anderson twice. Do you regret doing it twice? No, he has no regrets. No, no regrets. He has zero... Clarity. I'm good friend to Pam. We talked yesterday, today. We were cool together.

Yeah, you're like weird that way. You stay friends with your exes. Yeah, he's passed that along to me too. You do it also? Yeah. Well, he's always said, he's like, I don't know, like no one like, you didn't like hurt each other. Like what? Why would you? It didn't work out. He's like, it didn't work out. But you shared it all your life. You only had one life. Your life isn't short. You love them. It didn't work out. Why would you hate them? Why?

What's like knowing her, you know? I think because there's people that do hurt. Other people, but also in the pain, even like, okay, crack the heart and do this shit. Like still like, I love that dude. It's been 15 years or some shit. Like what, what's up homie? How you doing? Nice to see you. Remember we had a good time.

yeah. Remember, we did this. Remember, I mean, that's just, you're doing it. And it's also like, it's also like, you know what I mean, that's just like normal in my eyes. And then also with Pamela, there's like kids, you know, her kids are still like, I mean, I see those kids all the time. Yeah. They're always around. So there's like, and, but I also think like, it's, it's like, okay, if you had all, if you had a hundred good moments or memories of someone and then they fucked up maybe like five times of those, it's like, you're going to hate them based on five rather than just appreciate

Dating maybe 100 and being like, I like them. I'm just not going to date them again. I mean, I think it's different for everyone, right? I think that some people can stay friends with an ex who's done them wrong and forgive them for it and move on and try to only focus on the good times. And other people, and this is with only a very, very, like maybe two of mine or three of mine, where I look and I say, you know what?

What I thought was a good time, I realized that you were cheating and doing wrong and doing horrible things. And I don't want your energy anywhere in my life or in my house. And I don't need to be friends with you because if you didn't respect me the entire time that we were together. Why would I give you? Yeah, why? Like, I respect my friends, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. I respect you. You know, like, there's stuff about you, Rick, that I...

really, really, really respect. I respect that you're sober. I respect your brain. I respect your sense of humor. I respect like the way that you are with Tyson right now. You know, like there are things that I, I can't love you without respect. I'm weird that way. So if I don't, if I now have learned things about an ex that make me lose all respect for them, I just, I don't hate them. They just fail to exist.

To me anymore. All right. You guys have anything else to add? You want to talk about anything? First off, everybody go order Thai Bomb. She obviously is not going to be able to make it. Except Rick and I are going to get her like a large manufacturing. I have my shave butter coming in today. Okay. You can pre-order the Thai Bomb. It'll just take $30.

And I'm bringing up Tyron. What kind of spokesperson are you? I can just look at her skin. It speaks for itself. I'm shining. Yeah. See, anyway, thank you guys for listening to another episode of let's be clever. Shannon Doherty. Thanks, Rick. Let's be clear. Let's be clear. Let's be clear. Yeah. Let's be clear. Uh, with, uh, Rick and Tyson.

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