Let's Go Back to West Beverly High...with Tori Spelling (Part 2)
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I don't think any of us would act like that now. I think all of us would look at the other and say, hey, are you okay? Right. You know? Yeah, you don't know to check in when you're young. It's just about you and your reaction, your experience. Right. That is the moment that prompted everyone to be like,

you know, meeting in the ladies room. No, it was like meeting in the dressing rooms and everyone was like, this is it. You know, we're going to call Aaron and go into Paul Wagner's office and call him on speaker. And that is when they were like, we need, it was like consensus. Everyone had, it was all in or nothing. And I said, I'm not going in the office, but

I agreed that it wasn't okay. So I did. Yeah. Whether I was physically there or not, I did give in and say, yeah, I'm on board. But I'm not going into the office. I don't know. In my way, again, me not standing up for what I believe in. But I didn't honestly know what was going on at that moment. But still, like...

Yeah. I thought I was taking her back by saying, I'm not going in. I won't be in the office present. I won't be on the call with my dad. But, you know, they were really coming at me like, but are you in? Are you in? You have to say yes or no. We need everybody, you know, it's like a tally, like, you know, it's like a trial.

I'm not going to say names, but I know exactly who is leading that charge. It was a male. It wasn't that was coming at me mostly. It wasn't a female, but Brian and I both didn't go. No, Brian said he went, but that he specifically said to them, I just want to be on the right side of history. Like, I don't agree with this decision. He did say that, but I don't remember him. I thought we both stayed in our dressing rooms and we said, you know, he was very, he,

I was quiet. He did stand up to them, which was hard for him. Really hard. He was...

Yeah. And he wanted to fit in with the guys and the elders. So that was a huge thing for him to do. But I remember him standing up and saying no. Like he doesn't believe in it. I think things would be very different now. And we all hang out now at like conventions and we get along. Well, now a cast can't just go in and be like, hey, we want someone gone. There's a thing called HR now. Yeah.

Yeah, it's much harder. And also, again, we were so young. I was so young. I didn't know to let anybody know what was happening to me in my personal life. And I felt I was super embarrassed by it. And I felt very like cut off from everyone and isolated. So I take full responsibility for my part in it 100%. So I get it.

I'm going to jump to something else real quick because I like jumping and then circling back. I don't know. I think it gives your brain time to like process. I was thinking about this the other day and it's funny because when I had Jason on, I meant to ask him and then I didn't. I think I got scared. But I can ask you. Okay. I feel.

There's a whole thing now about pay discrepancy between men and women. And even if the female has a lot more credits, she's often paid less. She often gets billing underneath the man. And so I was really thinking about 90210 and I was like,

Wait a second. What were my credits? How interesting. Opposed to Jason. Why? Right. Because I did little house. I did our house. I was on girls just want to have fun. Heather's like I had a very successful career. I don't remember what Jason did prior. I think he did a Canadian show.

Correct. And then Sister Kate, which is what I loved him on NBC, a sitcom. I think it was only one season. Right. With Stephanie Beecham, who ended up playing Luke's mom. But yeah, that's what I saw him on. I was like, oh, dad, he's so hot. He's on Keen magazines. That was it. Right. Wow. But he got first billing and got paid more money. Correct. Oof.

I was like, how? But it was the era, which I think it was. That's why it's also so easy to blame a woman back then. That's so interesting. I was like, oh, she's difficult. She's this, she's that. Like, you know, your dad's partner, Duke, and I went.

round and round and round. I did not like him. He did not like me. I thought he was a bully. I felt like he had no respect for women at all in my personal experience with him. I felt like he constantly tried to intimidate me and say things like,

Your job is to say your lines and hit the mark. I don't want your opinion. See, I don't know this part because growing up, he was Uncle Duke. You know, I know him since birth. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uncle Duke. Oh, man.

But yeah, Jason was pretty much discovered. You had a huge, ginormous resume that everyone reckoned. That is, I never thought that. Right? Yeah. I don't think I, I didn't give it thought at the time. In the 90s, they would never, right? It's a two-hander. They're always going to put the man first. Right. As opposed to like, how about side by side? Yeah. Like they do now. Like, you know, you see a big movie with,

Two huge stars, female, male, headlining, and they get billing together. Well, Laverne and Shirley did, like, two females. But if it was a man and a woman, yeah. Wow. I know. Yeah, he was number one. You were number two. Right. Mm-mm.

So what we're referring to is on a call sheet. Yeah. They give you the call sheet the night before it tells you, you know, the scenes that you're doing the next day, all every member of the crew gets it. The cast gets it. Tells you what scenes you're doing, what time your makeup call is and then what time your set call is. And yeah,

And so it's always a big thing of who is number one on the call sheet. And I actually had this conversation about Charmed because I was always number one on the call sheet.

But 90210, Jason was number one on the call sheet. And again, nothing that I even thought of back then. It's just because of how far we as women have come, where we're now standing up for ourselves a lot more in our business. And I think in other businesses as well, women demanding equal pay and equal attention. Right.

recognizing that their work is as important as their male counterpart, that I really started looking at it and going, how did he get paid more money and top billing? How was that? There was no, I hate Brandon clubs. Like, hello. Right. And because he was giving all the money, he instantly got said to be, he was the quarterback. Yes. The quarterback. Whereas,

I think my, did my dad coin that? Yes, your dad coined it. Oh, man. Or were you the fucking cheerleader? Oh, God. Right. I was like, that's... And I was just like your backup dancer. Whereas probably had I been told I was a quarterback, it might have changed dynamic on set and made me feel...

Like I had to step up to the responsibility a little bit more or everything could have just gone down the way that it did. And it doesn't matter. You can't repeat history. But I found that to be a really interesting thought that's been popping into my head a lot where I was like, God, things were so different back then. I never thought of that. 100%. Yeah. And it's so shaming when you're on a call sheet and you're not number one. It's just kind of live your life based on those numbers, which is...

They shouldn't even do it anymore. It's just, I don't know. I was like number eight or nine or 10 or something. So I never. It was, it was, I'm going to tell you what you were. Cause it went Jay, me, Jenny. No, it was Jenny. And then Luke, right? It was Jenny. Then. Lion. Uh, promise you Luke was number seven. Because he wasn't on the pilot. Yeah.

So it was Jason, me, Jenny, Ian, Gabrielle, Brian, Luke, and then you. Yeah. So you got pushed to the bottom probably because you were the producer's daughter. And I was like, please make me number 30 on the cast list. I don't want any preferential treatment. Please just push me down.

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left you without a lot of power in truth, because although people would think it gives you power because your dad is the boss, it's the opposite. It's the antithesis because I would imagine that instead you're like, I'm not going to fight for a raise. I'm not going to do this. I'm not going to, because my dad is the boss and I don't want it to seem like nepotism or whatever. Right. I'm a nepo baby. Right. Oh man. Um,

I think that depends on the human. Like, I feel like there's a lot of people that would be like, yeah, I'm the boss's daughter. Like, cool. And that wasn't me. So I just wanted to fit in. I wanted to belong. I...

I have this weird thing, like I've always known somewhere deep down that I was talented, but it just got so blurred out in the mix of it because it was like I heard so much like, well, she can't possibly be talented if her dad's the producer, which makes absolutely no sense. No sense. But it was so ingrained even back then, you know, it was just... And you know what? I got to be honest, a lot of it came from...

When we started, there would be crew members very early on, like, oh, you're nice. I was worried. I was like, oh, the boss's daughter's on the show. You know, just, and they, in passing, but those like stuck to me. And I was like, oh man, what do I do? You know, I have to be perfect and no one can be perfect. That's why I was like, I have to be on time. I have to, you know, be quiet. I have to be sweet. I have to agree to anything and everything.

When did that sort of change for you where you felt like you could tell your agent, yeah, you can fight for a raise for me. Everybody else is getting raises and I'm not getting raises and I'm being paid as a day player. Like when did it change where you finally believed in yourself enough or believed in your position on the show enough that you had proven yourself enough where you could fight for all of that? This is a tough one. It would probably be after you left. And why?

One less female? You're like, I'll take her salary. No, because I hid behind you. I hid behind you for so many years. Like, yeah, it was, I don't know. We were like a unit. We were a team and you fought for yourself. You fought for everyone always. So I could just hide behind you and that would be fine. And somehow I would get taken care of, you know, they would

If I didn't like something I was wearing, I would whisper it to you. And you'd be like, no, no, no, I don't think she should wear this. Because I was scared to say anything. Right. So... I was your little mouthpiece. Yeah. Yeah. Literally, like, you took care of me. And so when you weren't there, it's like, well, here you are. Because no one else was going to take care of me. So I had to... You had to strap on your boots and fight for yourself. I mean, I don't really know. That's correct. I had to put on my strap on and be like...

Here we go, fellas. That is not what I said. It's what I said. But that's actually great. I mean, not great that I got fired because that was really devastating to me at that time. Not as devastating as Charmed, to be honest. Like, Charmed rocked my world. Like, I still think there's part of me that's not recovered from that. But...

I was young after... I was like, in my head, I was like, fuck these people. Are you kidding? And then I got Mallrats and I was like, on to better things. It didn't... And yet that was... That also did nothing for me as Kevin Smith and I talked. Basically killed my movie career. But I... So it's not good that I got fired, but I love that there's a silver lining in it and that the silver lining...

Was that you had to stand up for yourself. You had to find your own voice. Yeah, I did. And yeah, in hindsight, like, I wish you had been there, but maybe I would never. Right. Maybe you never would have found your voice. But maybe I would have. And maybe it could have coexisted. And you would have been my champion. You always were. So maybe we would have risen together instead of someone had to go for someone else to

Right. Evolve. And I don't look at it that way, but I definitely like, you know, fight or flight. There was nothing else. You know, it was either I stood up for myself or just sat there and let everyone else rise after you were gone and me just be number eight again. You know? Yeah. Well, I guess number seven then right now. Luke always kept seven. Right. You got moved up.

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observing you, you seemed to have found your confidence in your acting and particularly in doing comedy. Correct. And you started feeling a lot more free. And yes, there was a lot of encouragement around you if you can do this, but ultimately you're the one who had to

figure out how to believe in yourself enough. And it was really, that's when I started noticing it. When you started getting very funny, you were doing stuff that was kind of off the wall and not that I would have been very scared to try. Right. It seemed like a huge risk at times. That means so much hearing you say those words. This is going to sound super weird, but when Amanda Bynes was younger, she,

I remember watching her in like, She's the Man, that movie. Right. And her choices, like her facial expressions, the choices that she made. So it's like, this girl's an outstanding comedy actress. And there's a similarity there in the sense of you had no, you started having no fear about making odd, different choices. I started already seeing that in you.

starting at season two, where you just started feeling a little bit more comfortable and more settled into who you were. But also, being the producer's daughter, did you ever think that people were like sucking up to you because of who your dad was? Did you ever feel that? Like cast? Like anyone, not just cast. I mean, my whole life, I have felt that. My dad's executive is like,

When I was young, I had like a lemonade and art stand on his lot at 20th and I was selling artwork and I was like, you don't have to buy it. And he was like, yeah, I do. And I was like five or six and it stood out to me that I was like, oh, that. OK, that's what's happening. Oh, man, I don't ever want to be seen that way.

So I was grateful because the cast, I feel like embraced me right away. I never felt that with you guys. I mean, obviously you and I became friends right away, but like the rest. And it was like, I don't remember when it was, but it was a defining moment where they were all like, oh, you know, someone needs to tell Aaron. And they were talking about like, you know, the producer and someone needs to tell him, we don't want to do this and dah, dah, dah. And they did it in front of me. And I was like, oh,

They're talking. I'm one of the gang. Right. You know, they're not like, oh, God, don't say, you know, sorry, it's your dad or you can't listen. So that's when I realized and it was always that way. Like, it went on. But comedy wise, I mean...

A lot of that I owe to you because we, you would always say to them, like you wanted to do more stuff with me. I didn't have a voice, but you want it. We were friends and we had a connection, good chemistry and to do more, you know, Brenda and Donna stuff, which is why we, I went to Paris with you and like, and that allowed me, cause you always allowed me that freedom. You would laugh out loud at me and I'd be like, you would encourage my comedy and my behavior. Whereas, you know, with other people,

past members I didn't feel as comfortable stepping out of your show. Yeah. So, yeah. Oh, God. The Paris episode. First off, that was so... That was my favorite. Why didn't we get to go to Paris, though? I know. But it was still fun. It was so fun. Shooting on that back lot. Oh, my God. There was...

Because we worked in warehouses that were converted into sound stages. So then all of a sudden you and I are working on a real studio lot with like a real commissary. It was so much fun. I felt like our clothing was elevated because we were in Paris. And then when we were at the cafe and we,

we both took the bite and this was your comedy that came out again where it was like what is it brains and you were just like you know spitting it out but in a in a much more like dramatic fun way I didn't burst out laughing I couldn't even keep a straight face at that moment um but yeah those were probably my favorite favorite favorite episodes and I know to know I found a photo the other day and it's literally me taking a photo of you and you're going like

Like that. And you have food in your mouth. And I'm like, yep, that's us. That's us. So that moment where I spit out brains, that was like our natural behavior in real life. Like we were funny together and, you know, kind of. Yeah. All right. Well, we have a lot more to talk about. We do. Yeah. So much more. It's just going to be a lot. So.

I'm going to say thanks and I'm going to turn it over to your podcast. Oh my gosh. Misspelling. And we're going to have a whole nother. I have to be in charge now? Yeah, you have to be in charge. We have a whole nother hour of this. Oh, I get to dom you? Bring it on. All right, you guys. Thanks for listening. Now go listen to Misspelling.

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