Let's Go Back to the Beginning...with Mama Rosa (Part 2)
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Hi, all. Welcome to another episode of Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty, part two with Mama Rosa. Hi, Mom. Hey, baby. All right. So I think where we left off is we were talking about Little House, A New Beginning and Michael and Ralph Bellamy and Victor French and sort of we've gone through Father Murphy and everything else. So

And I was pretty clear about how that was one of the best experiences I had ever had. And I think still ever had. Just everybody was really warm and the crew was fantastic. Lyra's poker was really fun. You guys, by the way, Lyra's poker is where you take the serial numbers.

off of a dollar bill and you play with that. And like, if there's more ones, everybody goes, okay, you know, two ones. And then I have to look at everyone and figure out like, oh, maybe I have two ones in my dollar bill plus someone saying two ones. So then I could up it by saying five ones and it either keeps on being upped or somebody will come in with like, you know, fives or tens or whatever. So it's,

And then you can call someone, and if they're bluffing, obviously they lose. And if you call them, you win. That's Liar's Poker. All right. It's actually very fun. It sounds a little strange, but it's fun, especially when you're a kid on a set and you're bluffing.

essentially gambling at a very young age. Poker. Yeah. But I won a lot of dollars. I won that all the time. I won against like who show and all my crew members. It was, and Michael would always stand like by me and be so proud because he's the one who taught me how to play. It was very awesome to see. After little house girls just want to have fun was before our house.

It was before Our House. Okay. Yeah, absolutely. And yeah, you were in that not quite your teen years, kind of a preteen going into teen. I think it was like... It was very exciting for you. Right, because it was Helen Hunt, Sarah Jessica Parker, Jonathan Silverman, Lee Montgomery. Like, it was a cool cast. Everybody was really nice. I mean, I was clearly...

super young and they were all adults. But I just remember looking at all of them being like, oh my God, they're the coolest people ever. And they didn't treat me so differently because again, I had schooling on the set and you were there and I was a kid. So it's not like, it's not like I was one of them. I wasn't, but I didn't ever feel like I was

misplaced on the set. You were never misplaced. And the interesting thing about it is really like the age group that was portrayed in the movie itself was basically in an age group that you were kind of in. And it's like you as a preteen, almost a teen, looking at them, they were older, they were dancing, they were having all the, and you were just so in awe of them and what they were doing. Right. So it was a lot like life.

So that went really well. And then I got on Our House. Yes, pretty much. And that was with Wilford Brimley and Deidre Hall. And that was pretty phenomenal, Carrie and Chad. And I got very close to Wilford. Yes, you did. On that show. And his family, his wife and his son. I mean, the interesting thing about Wilford is he was a wrangler.

Originally, before becoming an actor. Yes. And he was very much into horses and he had a house in Salt Lake City and then he had a ranch in Lehigh, Utah. He was also a phenomenal skier.

Yes. Like phenomenal. His, a good friend of his was a man by the name of Off Engdon who had held the record for, I think the longest like jump in skiing. Yeah. It was some crazy thing. And when Wilford invited us kids to go skiing, he, the first thing was he, he got us all lessons with Off and it, it's where I learned everything.

how to ski. Not that I ski anymore. I'm too afraid of breaking bones. But that was, and just to see like Wilford and the grace he had and off, like two older men, just so graceful, so beautiful, like perfect skiing. I think I was more of a daredevil back then. So I would go on, yeah, I would go on runs that I should never have been on, but I did okay.

You did great. I did all right. From what I heard, I was not on the ski run. You weren't. I have no idea. But he also gave me a horse. Yes, he did. He gave me a horse named Brownie. And Brownie was a quarter horse. Brownie was fantastic. Brownie ended up having a broken wither bone. I don't remember. Yeah, he had a broken wither bone. But...

Wilford really, really, really got me back enthused. Not that I ever lost my enthusiasm, but I didn't have like specifically my own horrors. Not until you did... Robert Kennedy and His Times. Yes. And Little House was before all of that, right? Yes. Oh, amazing. I just got Our House and Little House, the wording mixed up. So I'm not sure if I've talked about Robert Kennedy and His Times before, but Veronica Cartwright...

Jason Bateman. Jason Bateman. And he was, he's, Jason has always been wonderful. Yeah. And his mother as well. Right. So when I auditioned for Robert Kennedy in this times, they asked me if I rode horses. I said, yes. They said, can you jump? I said, how high? And I got the job and then broke the news to my mother that I needed to learn how to ride a horse and quickly.

So I leased a horse called Old Dominion, but his barn name was Joey. And Old Dominion was a little bit of a famous horse, but I had this trainer named Hugh Todd that was, I think he was on the Canadian Olympic team. At one time, yes. At one time. And he was a phenomenal trainer because he made me get on Joey, a.k.a. Old Dominion. And...

I had to learn how to ride without stirrups, without reins, so I could really build my leg and build my seat. The proper method of learning how to ride in the leash. Yes. And then even made me take small jumps without stirrups. It was pretty crazy. But even though I don't ride as much as I used to, I still have a really good seat because that comes right back to you, how you're supposed to do it. But Joey and I spent...

I think a majority of our time, I just like to bathe him because he loved his teeth being brushed. So you would like,

you know, do this thing with his lips and like just flash me his teeth and hold it there until I scrub, scrub, scrubbed. And then when I stopped, he would do it again and like nudge me and do it again. He loved that. So that really started my love of horses. But I was only leasing him. And then when his lease came up, they didn't renew the lease because I think they were using him for something else. But so then when Wilford gave me Brownie,

It was like thrilling. It was like, oh my God. I have my own horse now. I have my own horse now. And which as a kid, you don't think about what all comes with that. You don't think about the fact that you have to pay for boarding. You have to pay for food. You have to pay for when you can't be there because you're working. You have to pay for someone to go and exercise your horse. And you have to pay, you know,

The barn that he was, that Brownie was at, I think they had like a groom, but it always, you know, included in the price, but it was expensive. And as a kid, you don't always realize that. Now you realize the expense of something like that is. Well, yeah. It's a lot. I mean, but how many horses did I end up with? It was like, you know, Picasso, Luisito, Alberto, Domingo, Aries, Thunder, and

Am I missing one? Sammy. And Sammy. Another horse that was given to me. So I had seven horses and I rented out like the back barn of this place. And so I had to pay the rent. I know I'm jumping around you guys. I had to pay the rent plus grooms plus feed. And we fed our horses.

like extraordinarily well. Yes. There was just an amazing amount of supplements and mash and Timothy Hay. And it was amazing.

Those bills, that's when I really discovered how much horses cost. And I was like, oh my God, I'm going to have to work for the rest of my life just to pay for this. And I discovered how much work I was into. Right, because you took over the bar. And I loved it. Okay, so we're skipping, we're skipping, we're skipping. Back to our house and the wonderful gift that Wilford gave me and our skiing and just that whole experience. Because I think I was like, what, 14 or 15 when I got on that show?

Yeah. Because you had your 16th birthday on there. They gave you a big birthday party on the set, and you had already been there for a year, two years. So, yeah, it was in that range. You were 14, 15 years old when you started it. And just watching Wilford, who was very strong. Very strong. Very, very, very strong. And boy, when he didn't like...

an episode or scenes, the writers definitely knew it. He was not afraid to express his displeasure at something. And he was very protective of the three of you, the children. Yes, extremely protective. He, you know, wanted to make sure that we were happy, that we were represented well, that we were being treated fairly, that we weren't working too late. And he

He really fought for not only himself, but for the three of us kids on that show. It was pretty wild. And then you just see, these experiences all helped me see how different people conducted themselves on sets and what was appropriate and what wasn't. And Deidre Hall was a famous soap opera actress. And

She was also strong, but she was very nice. I really liked her. And I think I could have learned more from her had I paid attention because she was very diplomatic. She would get her point across and get what she wanted, but she did it in an incredibly diplomatic way.

I don't know if that was being on soaps for so long. Days of Our Lives, I think it was a show she was on. It was Days of Our Lives. It was, right? And her dressing room, she decorated it so pretty. She had them bring in, I don't remember if it was like a little house. I think it was almost like a little house onto the soundstage. She decorated it. She put in a daybed and everything else and her little dresser and everything.

Yeah, it was, she had her own spot on the soundstage and they put for the kids, they had, you each had your own little trailer, like the little travel trailers on set, which made it wonderful because it was kind of like round up your wagons for the kids. And then the stand-ins who were like phenomenal as well.

Would all be there. And we had like a little, I guess it was an artificial turf type of thing that they put down in front of all the trailers and had a little table. And we played...

The stand-ins and I, when the kids were shooting, we would play gin rummy. They taught me how to play gin rummy. So I was having a very enjoyable time as well. And you were having such a good time working on that show. And school was upstairs. School was upstairs. Yeah, school was upstairs. Wilford's trailer was outside. Yes. Because it was a pretty big trailer. But also, because he had been a wrangler before, he had like the...

fake cow head thing. And he spent all of his time roping. Yes. Which was amazing. And I mean, I just remember he was really good friends with like Robert Duvall and Richard Farnsworth and all of these super cool people that I knew kind of from their work, but also just from rolling, like they'd roll up to the set and say hi to him. And I'd be like,

Am I shaking Robert Duvall's hand? Like it was a pretty crazy thing, but they were, they were all cowboys. They were all cowboys. They were just like cowboys who got into acting, were successful, but they were cowboys. So I think our house was a really good experience too.

AI was still young and learning. It was a great experience. Yeah. And it was, you know, and being with an older generation, I always think that's wonderful when you have an opportunity to do that because you're learning different things. You're seeing different things. It's interesting as a child, I think, to learn.

experience that. And as a parent, watching a child watching that is even more interesting because the things that I see you taking away from different situations. Yeah. I think sort of the only bad moment on that show was when we had a dog on the show and there was a scene where the dog was supposed to like lick Chad Allen's face and

Oh, on our house. Yes. On our house. And they put this cream cheese with a dye in it so it would look like his skin color. And they did probably way too many takes and the dog had a reaction and bit Chad's lip really badly. I think he had 30 some odd stitches. It was...

That was horrible. Also, though, I will say, it's like the dog was not, it was a male dog. It was not neutered. Was it a beagle? It was a basset hound. Oh, that's right. But I will say that what I was told was,

It was that at the time, Chad had a little dog and they had brought the dog to set, to the stage and in his dressing room. So he was holding this dog and this little female dog was apparently in heat as well. So naturally with Chad being around his own dog and then around this other dog. Yeah. Maybe. I mean, we don't know.

We don't know if it's true or not. I don't know. That's just what we had been. But I know that that was like highly traumatic, mainly for Chad, obviously, but everybody's sort of watching. It was like. And then they wanted to put you two girls back in with the dog. Yeah. That was not happening. You said no. You were like, my daughter's not going near that dog. At the time we didn't have cell phones or anything. So, and I wasn't like.

The mother that would be like, no, I was like, I just said, we need to go. I excused ourselves to go to the bathroom, which we didn't have bathrooms on soundstages then. And I just made a phone call to our representative and was like, this is what's happening. What would you have me do? I knew we weren't going back with the dog, but, and that, and then it's just, by the time we got back, it was taken care of. Yeah. Yeah.

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So other than that, our house was a great, wonderful experience. It was very family-oriented, and I think that the show was really good.

Because it did deal with family issues. Yes. But it was wholesome. It was very wholesome. Like my character, Chris Witherspoon, all she wanted to do was be the first female, was it astronaut? Yes, astronaut. And I think in real life, I got invited to the Air Force Academy or something. You got invited, I believe it was in North Carolina. It was, I forget the anniversary, right?

It was a major big Air Force anniversary, the whole thing. And you were the guest of honor and they presented you with different things. And it was amazing. And what was really cool is I think that I think to have such a young character as Chris Witherspoon being like, here's what I want to do with my life.

And as a woman, I'm going to achieve something no woman has achieved. I personally found her incredibly inspiring as a young girl. Even now, when I look back on that TV show, I'm like, wow, that was steps and steps and steps ahead. Yeah, very. Which I kind of look at most of the stuff that I've done, and I think it's all been a few steps ahead.

A lot of it definitely has. Like even 90210, you think about 90210 and all the issues that we dealt with on that show from like, you know, date rape to alcoholism,

to, you know, relationships, friends cheating. That was all stuff that wasn't really discussed a lot back then and certainly not on a TV show. So I think for the most part, all the shows that I've done have been able to bring families together

So that there's more of an openness to talking about these issues that kids did face and continue to face. I think it goes back to like, I know in my life and in my time, we always sat down and watched television as a family. There was one show, particularly though, that was on called The Untouchables. It was...

And it would come on the screen every night. When it would come on, it would say, this is not appropriate viewing for children. And so you knew that you didn't do that. And then even every night it would say, it's 8 o'clock or 10 o'clock, whatever time, do you know where your children are? So it was a whole different dynamic then than it is when you were watching.

a child and then the kids now today, it's amazing to look back and see the progression. I mean, we still have obviously a very long way to go because I think that particularly in my business, I think there's still a lot of like misogyny. Like I think that there's a lot of men that still carry over that attitude. It's like how they were raised or it's how they view the business or finally they're like, ooh, I have a little bit of power because I'm a manager or I'm an agent or I'm a producer or

And that's a whole other topic that we've sort of gotten on before about like how women are treated in this business. And I think I've said it that I don't think that things have changed nearly enough, but at least there's some change. Well, I think we have to look at the different situations as they present themselves. I still, and I think if I were 20 years old now, I still appreciate that.

a gentleman opening the door for me. I appreciate these things, but I also appreciate the fact that if you're going in and you have the same ability to do the same job, then that's the equality of the situation should be. Should be. And it's gotten a lot better. I don't think it's a hundred percent there yet because I think people still consider like maternity leave an issue when hiring a woman or other things. And,

And that's not good because there should be complete equality across the board. However, I'm with you. I'm not like a huge feminist in the sense of, I remember a guy came to pick me up in a date and I walked out of my front door and he opened his car door and got in. And I was like,

wait, what? And I stood outside the car door. I would not open it. And he rolled down the window. He's like, what are you doing? I'm like, uh, waiting for you to open my car door. And he was like, huh? And he got out and came around and he opened my car door and I went, yeah, no, thank you. And he's like, what? And I'm like,

This is not going to work out. This is already a really bad start. Like, you don't have manners and you're not treating a female like they should be treated. So I'm skipping this date completely. Never call me again. And maybe to some of you that seems a bit harsh, but for me it was –

I grew up with my dad always opening your car door and treating you as an equal and showing you a lot of respect and respecting your brain. And so that's what I was used to. And it's what I wanted for myself. And yes, I obviously strayed from that to some degree, but never with the car door opening. I focused on something that I probably should have been more focused on more important things, but...

Like loyalty would have been something that would be more important to focus on. Loyalty. Well, we also talk loyalty. Yeah. It's the first thing I... Loyalty, opening a car door. I might have chosen wrong. I know when I was approached about marriage, it was probably the first discussion we had. Before I was accepting marriage, it was like...

the loyalty to each other. Right. And that, you know, you give me this respect and I give you this respect. And if there's a problem, we come together with it.

And if we can't see eye to eye and we need to go our separate ways, then we do that amicably and having respect for each other and the relationship. And if there were children, which eventually there were, that respect for those children and what's best for you're still a family. Right. Because I understand relationships differently.

Marriage not working out. Like, clearly, I understand it. What I don't understand and what I can never wrap my head around is why someone thinks that they don't owe you, as a human being, respect. Yes. And to, I know that for me personally, it's been very hard to find that, you know, somebody I was in a relationship with wasn't just one affair. It was like many affairs.

many affairs. So for me, that's like, wow. So did you not respect me from day one? Like if you didn't respect me from day one, why would you marry me? Why would you commit to a relationship if you couldn't even be loyal from almost like, I think what, like a year and a half after we were married or something like that to me is just, and that's when I find that, that a divorce cannot be amicable because I,

It just changes the dynamic. You no longer have respect for the other person. Like I lost all respect. I lost any ounce of love I had left in me for this person. And I just, I know despise seems like a harsh word, but I mean it in the sense of when you have that little respect for someone that I then eventually developed and

you kind of do despise them. You're kind of just like, you don't, you know, they either fail to exist to you, which is probably the healthiest thing, or you just can't stand them. Anyway. That's a whole different episode. Yeah, I know. I know. I like skipping around because I think that a podcast like mine is all about, like,

like being clear and sometimes the thoughts aren't always linear, but somehow, you know, one thing will drive you to start thinking about something else and it's okay to, you know, talk about it and go off subjects. Like, yes, we're supposed to be talking career stuff, but I think everything that happens in your personal life also impacts your career to such an extent. Absolutely. And then another respect of that aspect of that is, again,

Say you're acquainted to a cocoon. You're growing up in a family with values and respect for one another and everything else, and we're trying to prepare you to go, eventually go, whether you go to college or out in the world to work, whatever it is, if you're working in an outburg or whatever, is to still be

Keep those values in your heart and your mind and the respect that you want for yourself. And I think sometimes, not just in the entertainment industry, but in different industries, I think you get into something, into a situation, and it's just, this is the cocoon that now you're in. And maybe your defenses lessen.

They loosen and suddenly things are happening before you even realize it. Yeah, I would agree with that. I think also your confidence changes. Yes. You know, mine definitely went from being like a secure, happy kid working on these great sets and enjoying every single second to like a lot of pressure and a lot of stress and a lot of really unhappy moments on certain sets. Like,

where I just couldn't, I couldn't keep that like belief and confidence in myself. It's very hard to be ridiculed and it's very hard to be judged. Yes. And I think that

I don't care how old you are. Those things are hard to deal with. I'm not the most competent person in the world. I know. But I have a lot of faith. So I have to pull a lot on my faith, which is to me, that's my base. You know, sometimes I just go somewhere and I cry and I get, I'm like, okay, God, like get me through this. And other times it's like, it's like, like you, I'm like you, we sit down and we talk and it's like, it pulls me through things or like,

friends or just whatever. Sometimes you just need to get off by yourself. There are people who come into your life that when they come into their life, they're presenting themselves in one way and then slowly but surely who they are.

is beginning to take more and more control of you and your feelings. And you're looking, because you've developed this love or this extreme like for this person or whatever, you're looking past what you should be or would normally be looking at. Right. And that's what human beings overall have to tell themselves, no, I deserve more than this.

I deserve respect. I deserve love. And then that's how we get through it. We just have to, at some point, talk ourselves through it. And sometimes we have to go through hell and back before we can get to that point. Well, I've certainly been through hell and back. You certainly have. I will say that I'm familiar with hell and back. A couple of times I've been through hell and back now. And as a mother, as a parent...

It's the most difficult thing in the world to not be able to just intervene and snatch your child out of that situation. And they're your child, regardless of age. It's always still, as a parent, you just want to snatch your child out of that situation and protect them.

And you can't always do that.

You know, I know that now, currently, I'm in a very different place than I was, you know, over a year ago. Definitely. Yeah. You've gained your strength back.

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I have such a fight on my hands with cancer that I don't have the time for fights with everybody else. No. I just don't. And certainly not in my personal life. And I don't have time for somebody who cheats.

There's no excuse for that. There's no excuse for that. It's no excuse for, you have all the opportunity to say to somebody, I'm really sorry, this isn't working for me anymore. And I need something else or somebody else in my life. And I'm going to go out and I'm going to search for that. And I'm showing you the respect to let you know, so we can end this relationship amicably and respectfully to one another. That's the way it should be done.

And unfortunately, whether it's male or female, it happens to either sex. Yeah. And too often. Far too often. We've definitely gone off in a different direction. Childhood career. Flash to my life in the last...

Decade. Yeah. Okay. So I'll try to get back on track, even though I really like where we're going, because I just think it's an honest, you know, mother-daughter conversation. And it's one that we've had before. But every time...

I think, you know, you learn more about certain things that I went through and I learned more about your position. And that's not to say that sometimes our conversations don't get heated. You know, they do. Like sometimes I'll be like, I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it. It's enough. Don't you think I know what an idiot I am? And you're like, I'm not saying that you're an idiot. Just, you know, go back to the way that you were raised. Yeah.

You probably didn't use the term I was saying. I'm an idiot. You don't have to rub it in. But for eight out of 10 conversations that we have, I think they're very respectful and very much about like, they're very much about love and how to get through everything. And not just me, but you as well. Absolutely. Getting older is not...

I've never felt my age. I've never felt my age. Do you feel it now when I have to repeat myself three times because you can't hear? It's my hearing, and I'm going to a doctor for that as well. I'm sure once you go to the doctor, you're going to hear perfectly. Okay, I'm 76 years old. My mother ended up with, my mother's 97, but she didn't have a hearing aid until she was probably 87. And my dad passed away at 80, and he had a hearing aid.

And I was just hoping, I'm just hoping, I'm still hoping. You don't need, you don't need a hearing aid. It's just, you know, maybe a deep clean or something. Maybe that's all, but that's probably our biggest moments now between each other is when I'll say something and you're like, huh? And I'm like, and then I say it again and then I say it really loud. And then you're like, you don't have to yell at me. And I'm like, but you can't hear. Yeah.

Or you'll just say, just forget it. Yeah, I like to say just forget it because I hate repeating myself. It's one of those things. But I also, according to you, my voice goes in and out of different timbres. It does. Your voice will get very low like this and very soft. Nobody knows me as a soft talker but you. And sometimes your lips are not open as much.

That one you said to me for the first time the other day, and I was so annoyed. I was like, what are you talking about that my mouth or my lips don't like? Yes, they do. I was so annoyed by that comment. As you can see, we really love each other. We do. We definitely do. Okay. So we covered like super early career. We covered everything.

I think we covered our house for the most part, wouldn't you say? Yes, and there were things in between. There were various movies of the week, which were wonderful. Oh, the one with Lindsay Wagner, the other woman. Oh, yes, yes. Working with the bionic woman, you were really excited. But she was so cool. Very cool. She was really, really, really nice and smart and a great actress and

Again, working on Robert Kennedy and his times, just that cast was insane. And then it was you, Victoria, wasn't that Jason's mom's name? Victoria, yes. And Jason Bateman. And he was pretty much the first person I formed a crush on. We were young. Do you remember we were in Hyannisport, right? Yes, we were in Hyannisport. And when...

And it was cold. Freezing. It was this really old, empty house. We had a table and chairs, and it was really cold. And even with whatever the heat was, it wasn't essentially heated. We were all in big down coats at the time. It was very cold.

Which reminds me of another... It was snowing some of the time there. It was snowing most of the time. And the hotel that we were at, they had an indoor pool, a heated indoor pool. Yes. And after work, you and Victoria would take the two kids, Jason and myself, and we would swim and you ladies would chat. Yeah. And it was so much fun. And he's someone that...

You knew even back then that he had something incredibly special about him. At the time, a lot of people gave him the term as being precocious, and I saw it as this incredibly smart discipline from the family. Not like a hard discipline, but he knew. There were probably rules in that house. Yes. What's interesting, there was also a young girl on the set, played one of the younger Kennedy children,

I can't remember her name. And her sister was with her. Her sister was, I guess she was 18 or older because she was there with her. Their mom was there too, so she might not have been. But at the time, she was just a lovely human being. She later became the wife of Michael Landon Jr. Really? Yes. She was lovely. She was absolutely lovely. I thought, what a beautiful girl. Oh. Yeah.

I'm going to have to go look all that back up. But being cold, the only other time I remember being colder than that was when you were shooting a Disney film in the mountains of Utah. And they brought dad and myself. We were there. They gave us a house, a really nice house on this golf course. And the first time they took us to set,

And they invited dad and myself to go to set two. It was way up in the mountains and they had these moon boot like boots for us. Do you remember what show that was? It was a Disney show. I can't remember the name of it. It was a movie, a Disney movie. And they put these huge big down coats on us and hoods. I mean, we were bundled up. We could hardly walk, but we were so happy to have it.

Huh. The only other time I don't remember that at all. The only other time I really remember being freezing was, I think, also in Utah. But I was older. You guys were not there. And my best friend at the time, Deborah Wachnin, was a stylist. And so I requested her for the movie. It was a movie called The Ticket. Oh, okay. I remember that. And we were...

I mean, you literally could not get to set unless you were on a snowmobile or a snowcat. You went way even further up. That was crazy. It was freezing, but Debra did such a good job that she kept me warm, and she also kept it where apparently...

My character just had on so many different layers that periodically she would like strip down to another to finally get to like a cat suit. It was hysterical. I was like, only Debra would find a way to make there be more wardrobe changes in a movie that should have only really been one wardrobe change. But she managed it. That's the only time I remember being like freezing cold, but manageable because of what she did. Well, and they had a good little group of kids. And at some point,

They wanted them to do this scene that was...

kind of like shot on a flip or something that was not really safe. And some of the mothers were really upset about it. And eventually on set showed up this really tall, big man. And he was the SAG representative. They had sent a SAG representative to set. Was he Native American? Yes. Like us? Yes. My great-great-grandmother was actually taking...

Taken from her home in Mississippi, where she was married to the great-great-grandfather. And he was a U.S. Marshal. Anyway, she marched, you know, on the Trail of Tears on foot from Mississippi to Oklahoma. And the story goes that eventually the grandfather, being a U.S. Marshal, and they were above everything, he went and got her and brought her back. That's a pretty phenomenal story. Yeah.

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Here we go into family history. I know. I mean, my brain today is just skipping and skipping. And I'm generally a very private person. See, you should have said no when I was like, we got to do part two. I'm like, I'm done. I was kind of like, I was like, how did part one go? And I don't think I ever got an answer. So I was kind of like. I said I haven't checked. Okay. But, you know, I haven't checked in a while because.

you know, different episodes resonate with people. I think what I decided on the podcast is as long as I'm being truthful, honest, clear, sharing parts of my life and helping people with cancer or any sort of illness at all. If I'm having good doctors on, if people are learning something that I don't care if it's five people listening or

Or 100,000. Yeah. Like at the end of the day, I have to feel really good about waking up and recording a podcast because it's not, you know, it takes time. It takes effort. It takes letting your guard down and your walls down and being willing to go there with yourself and with others and including like your fans on the journey with you. It's very cathartic for us. It was like we're just talking and it's okay. Right. Shit happens in life and it's okay to talk about it.

and it's okay to share it. Listen, there are certain things that maybe I don't ever want to share. I don't really know. I'm not there yet. I know that recently on my Instagram, I had to, I didn't have to, but I chose to post a email that had been sent to my publicist from that terrible magazine InTouch. And listen, it's not like what they were going to print made me look bad.

Just I didn't need the added attention to something. And especially from a publication, if you want to call it that, a trash mag, that's probably a better word for them or a better term for them, to completely ignore the fact that we responded saying, this is not true, don't print it. Yeah. And that they had decided that they were going to print it regardless. So for me, I shared that because A, I wanted to get the jump on them.

And take their story away, take their power away from them and give it back to me. And yeah, in my statement, I very much said, this is none of your business. And it's not. And this is, again, off track, but because I'm here with you and we discussed this stuff and because it was just last week.

It is, I don't think that because I choose to share certain parts of my life in a podcast, that that means that every aspect is up for judgment, ridicule, or to be written about, especially if it's not accurate. And

If you're going to make up a lie so you have a story, so you have a byline, so you have something to catch people's attention so that they'll buy your stupid publication, that's not fair. No, it's not fair. Being a public figure does not mean that I should be subjected to that or anybody should be. Because honestly, these people who write these bad stories, if their name is on it, as far as I'm concerned, they're a public figure. You want me to go through your trash? Yeah.

You want me to go through your closet and pull out every single skeleton and like put it out there because that's the next step between suing and calling you out and literally taking your entire life, every bad thing that you've ever done or every good thing, but turning it into a bad, that's the next step. And I don't ever want to be that person because I don't think it's fair to another human being, but these people need to start being responsible and hold themselves accountable and

And I get that everybody needs to make money. I understand that. But you love going to work and you love making your own money and you don't do it by trashing other people. Instead, you do it by working in retail where you care about your clients so much and you make them feel great and you care about your job. And that is admirable. I don't care if you're a politician, if you're the president of the United States or

or a gas station attendant or a janitor or an actor. We all need to be more respectful. When you're the mother of a child who's working, you get stuff and there's jealousies and there's everything else. And I just always prefer to do what we signed up to do. Like you're not even in the public eye.

And people have written crazy stories about you. It got to a point where when things were coming in the press and because of your popularity all over the world, there were more things coming in the press. I would get certain women who would come in and they would say, oh,

We heard that Shannon blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I would sit there and I would be nice. And I just wouldn't really, I'm like, well, you can't read everything. You can't, you know. Believe everything you read. Believe everything you read. Finally, one day I was just like, okay, there's enough of this.

I looked at, there were two women came in together and they were telling me all this. And I looked at them and I said, okay, here's the situation in our home. I said, I have always told my children, not just Shannon, also my son, whatever happens in your life, daily life, everything, whatever happens, I don't want to hear it from somebody else. Let me hear it from you first. If I hear it from you first, then we can sit down, we can discuss it and we can decide

where we go with this. Right. And those two women never said another word to me. Well, yeah, because by the way, that was true. And, you know, sometimes it would switch off. Like sometimes I felt I could be more honest about certain things with you. Sometimes it was more with dad. But one of you always knew that.

what was happening in my life at that time. I never kept secrets from you guys. You never kept secrets from me. I remember there was a story when I was pretty young and it was like in National Enquirer or some crap, which we all know David Becker and what an appropriate name. And it was...

Something about like you being grossly overweight and Michael Landon trying to help you, but like you were on your, and you weren't. I wasn't grossly overweight. You weren't. I was like heavier than I would want to be. But you weren't in the public eye. There was absolutely zero reason to write a lie. I was chubby. Yeah, but it literally said something like you were about to die and they had to do an intervention. Yeah.

It was just like, you know, one of the articles written about me saying that I was sleeping on my AA sponsor's couch because I was so scared of the drink. And...

I had never been to AA. It's like, wait, what's happening right now? And then you get advised, oh, don't fight this. Don't waste your money suing because today's paper is tomorrow's cat litter lining. And so you go throughout your life being written about so poorly and it's incredibly hurtful and you don't fight back.

And I'm definitely in my era of fighting back. That's for sure. It started a little while ago, probably started with cancer, really, when I said, that's enough. It's enough.

For me, I remember when I agreed to do the 90210 reboot, I wasn't even working yet. I was because I was still dealing with, you know, cancer coming back and cancer coming back at stage four. So everybody else started work way before me. But it was all about the writers being miserable writers.

And they kind of blamed it on me. And I did a post saying, this is why it was so hard for me to agree to do another 90210. Because for some reason, these trashy writers seem to think that it opens the door to more lies about me. And I'm not tolerating the narrative anymore. I tolerated it my entire life. And I'm so frigging done with it.

so done. Like again, in my post about InTouch where I said, I will sue you. Like I will. I am no longer the girl who's scared. No longer the girl who believes that it's cat litter. It lives on the internet forever. And if it's not true, I'm going to sue or I'm going to call you out on my Instagram or whatever. And God forbid one word about you or my brother. Oof. Oof.

That would be hell for everyone. Anyway, okay, you guys, I am so sorry that we have literally jumped all over the place. And all I can say is that I wish I had actually made this podcast a duo because I'm really enjoying the episodes with my mom and talking about everything. So you can bet on the fact that she's going to be here a lot more. And...

It's not a threat, Mom, I promise. You enjoy it. It's cathartic. But I always... What you were saying, though, I want people to... It's always like... It's always you try to take the higher road, but there will be times in your life when...

You're trying to take the higher road, but someone's constantly pushing you off and you're going to have to stand strong and stand up for yourself. Right. And I'm so proud that you are doing that. I appreciate that a lot of my followers are like, you should not even engage in this stuff. You're sick. You need to focus. And I get that. And I thank you guys for your comments and your support and your opinions. But on the other hand, you have to understand when this has been happening to you your entire life,

And you're fighting for your life. And you're trying to do good for the world. You're trying to be honest. You're putting yourself out there. I think it would be worse for my health if I just let it go because I would beat myself up about it. I would say, wow, Shannon, you're being a wuss and you're not defending yourself and everything

everybody just comes away with this narrative view that isn't true when all I'm really trying to show all of you is who I really am, like who I've always been and who I am deep down. So for me to say, for me to call someone out,

is actually really brave and courageous because I haven't had that bravery and courage in the past. And I know the decision process that goes through your head before you do that. You don't do it irresponsibly. No, definitely not. Anyway, thank you guys for listening to Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty and Mama Rosa. Thank you, everybody. So appreciate it. And yeah, hope you enjoyed this episode because I did. Bye. Bye.

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