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This is Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty. Unacceptable. Unacceptable. But, hi everyone. Did you hear the unacceptable? Do you guys recognize that voice? No. Because even if I weren't looking at this person, I would still recognize that voice. But you're listening to, God, what's the name of the show now? Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty. Serious. And I have Holly Marie Combs back.

I know you're all very excited about that. If you don't recognize my voice, you will recognize my far too loud laugh. I try to lean back. That's good because, you know, it's loud. So Holly is here because... Because I live here. How dare you? Because she picked out her room here. Grand gardens all the way. Yeah. And it's just prepared for her all the time. Wow.

When she's like, okay, flying in. It's like a big panic moment for me. Why? Because Claudia, my housekeeper, who's like a family member. I like I heard I'm like, oh my God, we had to make sure it's like really clean. I do believe I've lived with you since I was 22.

But it's always been clean. Yes. I know. Because nobody sleeps in that room. Nobody cares. I know. But I don't want you sleeping on sheets that are, you know, have been like not changed for 10 days. What kind of parties are you having here? There's none. Nobody goes in that room. But, you know, if you don't wash your sheets for 10 days, they get stale. That's disgusting. Yeah. Goodness. Who knew? I didn't know. Anyway. So I have you back on because...

I just want to talk about that House of Hallowell. Okay. Yours and Brian and Drew's podcast. What about it? It's really good. Thanks. It's really good. We just try to have a good time. I mean, it's nothing studious. You guys do have a good time. I feel like the conversations are always really interesting and you're learning something. And you guys have been on break, on a hiatus. Yeah. Well, there are reasons for such things.

So maybe we should get into those reasons. What are the reasons, Holly? You're the reason. I feel like I'm the reason. The soundtrack should start now. Shannon's always to blame, you guys. You're the reason. Oh, truly. I'm glad you decided to join us after I asked you a year and a half ago. I

She takes a lot of courting. No, I didn't know what a podcast was. No, you didn't. I had no idea. I thought it was basically like a TV show and I didn't understand why there wasn't a deal up front and why I wasn't getting paid. Right. I was clueless. I have that text or maybe it's an email that says when there's a producer and there's money and I was like, wait, we're independent. We're broke. We have no money to give you. And you were like, nah, bruh, nah.

But that's okay because you found a producer and you found some money. You freak me out when you're like, no, we should do this then and we should do this now and I'm going to make it happen. And then you do. And it's really fucking creepy. I know, but you love it. No, I don't. Well, okay. Yes, because I did find the money. Yeah. We had this conversation. We all got paid and I found iHeart who wanted to do it. Right. We had this conversation where I told you, my husband said...

well, if Shannon is involved, it will be successful. And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. I paid Mike to say that. I Venmo'd him. So rude. I was like, Mike, what's your Venmo? How dare you? Say this to Holly. He does know and you do know and it's common knowledge about me that I'm not nearly as ambitious as I should be. And I'm very happy to just retire on an island until I come here because I'm sick of the island. But

But retirement only is possible when you have a certain amount of money in your bank account. Sure, that would be nice. Right. So for me, I mean, I'm not quite sure I'm ready to like retire, retire. You will never. Less work is nice sometimes. Less responsibilities and obligations. So I guess I'm in the mindset now of I need to make as much money as humanly possible over the next two years. Bank it, put it with, you know, my investment place, like build it.

that so that a I don't have to work and I only work when like I really want to and I can also you know go on a lot more vacations as you should but then also like when I pass away my mom's got like a you know nice little nest egg and I don't have to worry about her for you projects are motivating and appealing whereas I'd rather just disappear so this is this is hard for me but

It's hard for me to be on camera every day again. It's hard for me to hear my own voice. It's just... It's not who I am anymore. Like, my mom keeps putting... My mom just moved in with me, if people don't know by now. But...

My mom keeps putting up like charm pictures. Why is she putting up charm? Just to like remind you. I don't know. Of like what working is like. I don't know, but it's like, you know. But you work extremely hard. I know you want to say that you're retired, but you work really hard. Like you do so many conventions and then you guys were doing the podcast. And I don't think anybody realizes how...

hard the podcasts actually are, but they're not easy to do. No, I mean, it's weird to watch yourself do and say things from 25 years ago. And, you know, I'm super critical. And people do not like when I'm critical of the episodes or of myself. But I can't not be like, because you have to be honest, I'm not going to toot my own horn. No, that's ridiculous. Even when I was watching it last night,

for this thing that we talked about that we're not talking about. But we're talking about it. So like, that's the whole point of you being here. Right, right, right. Besides you just, you know, missed your bedroom here. Yes, I did. Sometimes I need a break from my retirement. But I still am critical. Like I look at, you know, the 25 year old me and I'm like, I would have done that differently. I could have done that better. I should have

been more something or something in that moment. That's interesting because I watched, as you know, for the rewatch, like four or five episodes. In a row, by the way. In a row. And I was really impressed with you. Obviously, I knew you were a good actress. You were also my friend. It's why I was like, she's doing this show or I'm not doing it. Right. And

You were really good. I liked the choices that you made. I liked how, you know, you have your own sense of humor in the show. You're a little uncomfortable at times, but it comes out very funny. Well, I think you're incredibly, Piper's very sensitive. Yeah. And Piper was not, I hate to talk about my characters like they're not me, but she was very uncomfortable in her skin. She was very uncomfortable being the middle child. She was put in the middle.

you know, and to be the peacemaker. And so that physicality, finding her physicality, her walk and her movements helped me find her voice basically. And there's still some things I would change, but for,

For the most part, I'm 95% okay with it. I mean, I think that happens to all of us, right? Yeah, it should. Because the older you get and the more you evolve and the more you grow, you look at past performances and say to yourself, wow, I was really immature back then. I would have brought a lot more depth. I would have brought this, brought that. I look at 90210 very much like that where I go, oh my God, I suck.

sucked as Brenda. There were so many false moments from me. It's insane where you can just see me acting or you see like it doesn't ring true or honest. You can see it. That doesn't mean everybody else sees it.

Right. And it doesn't mean that people should be mad at us because we see it. It's just, I think as an actor, you have to see those big moments that you do because otherwise you're not growing. Well, I'll tell you this much. So when I did Picket Fences, where I was super duper green, really could not be more inexperienced with more experienced movie actors. So I was like literally thrown into the pit and just like,

I marveled at these people who were so good at what they did. And I was fifth on the call sheet, so I didn't work every day, but I would hang out every day to watch them and to glean anything I could from them. And honestly, my most important lessons were how you treat your crew and how you get through your day. And if it's a 12 or 14 hour day or whatever, they were really good at it. And it was very much like a family atmosphere.

But I look back on some of those moments and just cringe. Right. Super cringe where I just go, oh my God, that I can, I can feel how uncomfortable I was at the time. Hopefully not everybody else does, but it was Tom Skerritt who said to me, if you're satisfied with what you're doing, you should stop. And I was like, okay. And he said, you're blossoming, which is a terrible word. Don't ever say that to people.

But he said, I was blossoming as an actor and I should be really proud of myself. And he goes, but like I said, if you're ever satisfied with yourself, you should stop what you're doing. And I don't think I really felt solid in my shoes on that set until Ray Walston, who is Ray Walston, said to me, that was a very fine performance, young lady. And I just about died.

Because David Kelly did a terrible thing to me and made me give a monologue. And not just in front of him, but also in front of the Supreme Court. I was not qualified. I was not old enough. She was not all the things. So playing that character literally was like trial by fire. Right. I had to rise to every occasion. I had vocabulary words that I didn't even know what they meant. I had to look up words in my dialogue.

Have you found, though, that like the older you got, the more of a risk taker you became with your performance? Because that was that's 100 percent true for me.

It's like the self-consciousness of my youth started to go away and I started to feel a lot more free. Like the 90210 reboot, it didn't do well, but I could not be happier with my performance because I tried something completely different. No, I feel like I'm always kind of on that treadmill to be better and do better. And yeah, like I haven't met a performance I'm satisfied with yet.

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Anyway, this is an episode about the fact that House of Hallowell is coming back. It is. It is coming back to iHeart. So more people will have access to it. Hopefully, yes. You don't have to join a thing. You don't have to pay extra money. You don't have to any of that. Right. If we do an episode...

about bloopers, outtakes, whatever. They're there for everybody to see. Yes. And I am joining. You are joining. To be clear. And we're starting from season one, episode one. Well, people rewatch it a lot. So we're going to rewatch the rewatch reboot. Take two. Hashtag take two. Yeah. I'm excited for it. I'm nervous because now I have to be

twice the interesting that I don't feel that I am. So it'll be fine. Stop being so self-deprecating. It's just a habit.

It'll be fine. It'll be good. It'll be great. It is great. Listen, the four of us have a lot of chemistry. Yes, Brian Krause is back. Yes, Drew Fuller is back. It's the exact same show. Yeah. You guys just added me. Perhaps I added myself. I don't know. I think you did. But you waited until the right moment. You let us prove ourselves. Put it that way. No, I just wanted to make sure that we all got paid. And that too. I was like, hmm.

Nobody should do anything for free in life because it's time consuming. It is. And it's, you know, like I said, it's opening Pandora's box. I know for me, there is a ton of emotions there. I know there will be for you that you don't even know about yet. But what's funny is it's been long enough that you can watch it now with fresh eyes. Yeah. And like you were texting me about who should actually be Piper's boyfriend and who had chemistry and who didn't. Yeah.

But what's funny is you were texting it to me in live time when I was like, this is for the podcast, please silence. Silence. But it was true. Like I watched that episode and I was like, the chemistry between you and this person was so amazing. Like it jumped off the screen. It was that like powerful. I'm like, oh my God, why didn't they stay together? They're amazing. As opposed to, you know, like Beth's husband. Right. Right.

Super complicated. Yeah. But people love it, so you can't talk poorly of Piper and Leo. By the way, I think you guys were good. He wasn't, like, he was there in that episode, maybe? I don't remember. All I see is John Cho. So friggin' good. Or BK. You guys did great together. You guys also had chemistry, hence why.

He was there the entire time. It just really hit me rewatching episodes. And guys, so what we have to do

what Holly, Drew and Brian have been doing for well over a year, two years, is you have to like rewatch. And for people like Holly and I who do not like watching ourselves at all, it's a very weird job. It is. And it's a lot of emotions. But like I said to you, I do see why people got absorbed into this fantasy life and how important it is. Because, you know, when I do the rewatch, I yell at my kids not to text me.

like, please stop texting me. I'm doing something important here. Right. You know, so it is, it's still important to me. It's important to a lot of people and,

I think you and I will both say that it's incredible that it still is meaningful to people. Yes, it is incredible. I also, because I watched it and essentially it's the first time I've ever watched Charmed. Right. Like I never watched an episode except the ones I directed in the edit room.

I was really impressed. And I felt like the connection between the sisters. And I felt that like family unit and people who, you know, they didn't have anybody anymore. Like, Graham's died. Mom was dead. The father was, you know, iffy at times. Absolutely. Yeah. And so they had each other. That was their nucleus. And I really...

felt that in re-watching it and was like, of course people connected to this because you're connecting to that feeling of family and

If you are struggling with your own family, with your own identity or anything else, you can compare yourself to those characters who also struggled with their own identity and struggled with who they were, but always had one another. And that's important. So I get it. I get 100% why people connected with the show so much. Yeah. And it's, you know, from doing the conventions 24 this year,

To hear people say, I had a really abusive family life and this was my one hour of peace. And to hear people say, you know, I watched this with my mom and she just passed away. Can you sign this picture to her and me? You know, it's, I can't even comprehend it.

And I don't think I ever will. It was terribly important to me, as you know. You're probably the only one that knows how important it was to me. As important as it was to me. Like we really went in there, the two of us, going, this is an important show. We want to make the absolute best. We were very serious. Yeah.

about it. It's particularly that first season establishing ourselves. We were, you know, you and I would constantly go in like either your trailer or my trailer and have conversations and go through the scenes and be like, okay, this feels odd or this feels odd. Maybe, you know, we need to change this to this. It might as well have been like another David Kelly show on HBO. Yeah. We looked at it. Yeah. Super serious. Such a serious manner, which is,

I think was amazing because it's why the show, you know, shifted and why it stayed. And all I can really speak about is the first three seasons, because that's the only ones that I was a part of, but it, for the most part, it stayed very entrenched in reality, even though we were dealing with all of these like demons and warlocks and blah, blah, blah. It still felt real. Yeah.

Yeah, you know, and the family aspect of it for me was a big deal because you know that I don't have a big family. And you know that we became like family even before the show. So family is obviously what you make it. And clearly I'm sitting here today.

Oh, don't shut up. It's the same for other people too. Hey, thank you very much and good night. No, I know it's the same. I get a lot of that as well, as you know. I get a lot of people, a lot of gay men who are like, I was really struggling with who I was and my identity and connecting with the sisters. Mm-hmm.

and how they struggled but then they embraced it. They weren't scared anymore of being witches and it made me feel comfortable enough to come out and talk to my parents about it. That is a huge honor to be a part of somebody's life in that capacity and to have helped them in any way, shape or form. It's a

A very happy, fortunate circumstance that we didn't, we weren't able to have many openly gay characters on the show because the network would just not allow it at the time. And I remember when I got Pretty Little Liars, I was like, are we allowed to do this on television now? Because we weren't before. And on Picket Fences, I did the first lesbian teenage kiss. And that was a huge problem for the network at the time. And they blacked it out and all the other things. Really? Mm-hmm.

Yeah. And so...

Having this very fortunate circumstance where people did feel like it related to them in a way where we couldn't be ourselves outwardly. It was relatable and being in the closet and how difficult that was. And it really did help many, many people in a way that I think if we were to reboot it, we would address those things in ways that we weren't allowed to before. Agreed. Agreed. There's a lot there.

Even though there are things that we weren't allowed to do, it was just, you know, the time. I mean, your best friend is a gay man. My best friend is a gay man. Right. In real life, you guys. Right. Like in real life, you know, yeah. My best friend who I also call my husband at this point, he calls me his wife. But it's weird that we weren't able to address it. It's a, in that day and age,

During Charmed, you weren't allowed. Yeah, you weren't allowed. I mean, we never had one gay hair drawn. No, no. Oh, that's pretty crazy to think about. But they were able to connect with us and how the sisters band together and, you know, didn't immediately take to being witches and then eventually did. That's a really beautiful, beautiful thing. Yeah. And I mean, you know, when kids say, you know, I woke up with you.

Or I raced home to see the show. And thank goodness for TNT because that's where most people saw it. There was one woman at the last convention I was at in Boston that said, I actually got a speeding ticket because of you guys. Because I was racing home to see the episode. Oh.

Yeah. Bless her. It's pretty amazing. Oh. I said, I hope it was worth it. He should have been a Charmed fan and been like, okay, I get it. She's a Charmed fan.

She is. Well, that's when you had to actually be there to see something, you know, instead of binge watching, which you just did four episodes, you binged what? It was actually five episodes. Yeah, because Piper's soulmate is four. I mean, episode five. The only note I have is, why is Piper doubting Prue after all she has seen? Like, what's funny is that when I watch them, I'm always like, oh.

Why are they doing this to Prue? Like, I get so defensive of my character. That, like, almost all my notes... Are about Prue? Are about Prue. It's like... That's hysterical. I just... I'm gonna... Probably gonna watch more episodes. No, we're gonna do it together. You're gonna go through all my terrible notes with me. My terrible commentary. I mean, I actually think I should, like...

watch them again because being the first time I've ever watched Charmed. You're watching for Prue. Right. I'm watching for Prue and now I need to like go in and watch for the entire thing and all the different nuances that happen with the show. And hear my commentary. And hear your commentary. Which is funny because we'll probably argue about it and then one of us will look at the other and be like, we gotta save it for the podcast. Right. We can do watch parties though. Those are fun too. Live action.

Really? How do you do a watch party? You literally play it and we just get to talk over ourselves. Wow. And people like it. And they send in comments so you can answer them too. Oh, like as you're... Yeah. Oh, that's awesome. It is. My favorite thing on doing this podcast is doing like the Q&A. Right. Exactly. I just love responding. So you have to learn like how to do that during an episode though. It's totally fine. It's totally fine. Yeah.

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Hi, everybody. It's Savannah Guthrie from The Today Show. As we head back to work, back to school, back to everything, we want to help you turn your to-do list into your today list. Your morning routine, healthy meals, and workout plans. We've got you covered so you can take it all on with simple solutions to help you through the day. Everything you need to know before heading out the door. So join us every morning on NBC because every day needs today. I mean, you know, listen, I think

To be really upfront and honest, I'm, you know, nervous about it because you guys are, you know, very established and you three have a really good sort of rapport with each other on the podcast.

And so I worry about coming on right now of people's reaction. You know, like, are they going to say, well, it was so much better without Shannon, but it's because I'm always expecting rejection or something. You can't please everybody all the time. So there is that. And, you know, at this point,

I feel like the less social media happening in my life, the better. Yeah. And you just have to be true to yourself and true to our, you know, audience and, you know, why we're here and what it means. And, you know, it means a lot to us. And that's the thing is, I don't think people ever realized what a heart project it was for us. So there's that.

And I think your memories and your interpretation of things, you know, is much more artistic than mine also. Like I'm just the one there bleeding emotions, but you were very much invested in what the show looked like. Yeah. And the lighting and obviously then you directed. So it's a different perspective. I wanted it to have a very specific look and I,

The presentation was a lot more representative. It was dark. Yeah, it was dark. The show overall was darker. It was a much more serious, much more dramatic, grounded show. And I loved that because coming from drama, you're coming from drama. So yes, I...

There were certain episodes that were like too bright or too this or too that. The camera didn't move properly. Somebody didn't want to use Steadicam. And that would always upset me because I was like, no, no, no, we can do better. We can push. Let's push. Let's push. Like stop putting...

the camera on sticks and have it being static, like move in, like do something like you guys have zooms, you have this, you have that, like, let's get going. Let's, let's make it different and original and look really good while you were crying. Yeah. But I was also really uncomfortable with being funny. I, I, I didn't think I was funny. You were very funny. I didn't, I still don't think I'm funny. And so, and I think you kind of came from the same sort of

background where we're super comfortable doing the dramatic, the heavy dramatic stuff, but being funny, being light and making fun of yourself was almost difficult. And I think harshly because we knew each other before, it was easier to be light and to feel like you're in a safe space. So if you make fun of yourself or you do something goofy that it didn't feel...

so much, so much like acting. It was like just being like normal girls, which I think is a very big appeal to,

to the show is that these are like girls hanging out together. Yeah. And this is what girls do. And I don't think if it wasn't you, if it wasn't me, that we would have been able to do that. I agree. I think that we, you know, we're able to bring that out in each other because we'd been through so much prior that we had, you know, we obviously had that connection. We were besties. We were all of that.

So we were able to kind of, you know, wink, wink, nudge, nudge each other. I also think because Alyssa came from comedy. So she was instantly the more like lighter one that looks for those like joke moments and to make something light that she allowed us to be lighter as well.

I mean, I always still dug into like the drama. You did. I frigging loved it so much. I was like, anytime there was a script where it was, Prue was crying and I was like, yay, win, score. I don't know who wants to go to set and like cry for 14 hours, but I did. Right. I loved it. But you know, what's funny is like rewatching now, you were actually very funny and you

how your character starts and your, you know, the tilt of your head, the eyebrow twitch that you have, like all of it is so hyper. Yeah. It's just so like,

It's endearing. You're very endearing on the show. Yeah. Not in real life, but... No, in real life, you're horrible. Pain in the ass. Pain in the ass. True story. So, my hope... Okay. ...is that... Hopes and dreams? ...people are happy that I joined. I'm sure they will be. People are happy that it moved to iHeart. I know you told me not to tell people, but I have told a few people and they were really happy with the news. Really? Yeah. You chose the non-hater step. Yeah.

And I know that I'm thrilled to be a part of it. I know that, you know, watching it for the first time has been really interesting for me.

And I don't know, it's cool. Like we're getting to work together again in a different capacity. Yeah. And I like that. You're still going to direct me though? Yes. I mean, I'm forever a director. And you forever think I can do better, which sometimes I cannot. No, whenever I was directing and I said you could do better, you always did better. Every single time. Every time.

You always did better. You dug deeper and figured out, I don't know if it was me pushing you or humiliating you sometimes, but, and you're the only one that I would have done that with. I would never have directed anybody else like that, but because we knew each other for so long, I felt like I just knew what you were capable of. Well, you have seen the depths of my despair.

Yes. Very much so. Yes. When it comes to abusive husbands, when it comes to very, very gritty, awful life stuff, you have seen that. And I wanted you to dig there, to go to the place that nobody wants to go to at all.

It's like buried inside with a little lock, but I wanted you to unlock it and dig for it so that it could also be used in your performance. And whenever you did that, it was a performance that I was blown away by. All right. That's all folks. That's all folks. So thanks for joining. Let's be clear with Shannon Doherty and Holly Marie Combs.

Looking forward, I am, to seeing your guys' reaction to The House of Hallowell. Holly, thanks for being here with me. Sure. You can now eat pizza. We're going to eat pizza now. And probably watch some Charmed. At least two episodes. At least two episodes. That's my homework. We love you guys. See you soon. Blessed be.

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