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Let's Be Friends with an Ex...with Rob Weiss (Part 2)

2024/4/18
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Rob discusses his attempt to propose to Shannen, the challenges he faced, and his career in writing and television.

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This is Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty. I think for someone like you, it must be extremely hard because you write to sit there for two years thinking,

And write a show and write out, you know, what would happen over the seasons and then go out and pitch. And like you were saying, if somebody doesn't like it, it doesn't get bought. It's two years of your life. Yeah. Well, the only thing that would make it worse is if you did it and you didn't get paid for it. So fortunately on the project we're out with now, Skydance bought it from us. So, you know, at least we're compensated for the grind, you know? I think that...

But when you were younger and you were writing, you weren't kidding. The way that I ensure that I will not spiral and spin off the planet is I have to work on 10 things at once. That's the reality. As long as I am...

you know, spread thin and I'm focusing here, focusing there, throwing a little time at this and they're kind of all rising up like in terms of, you know, how substantial they're becoming and how, you know, how they're getting work. Then I'm happy. If I spent two years working on one project and then took it out,

You know, yeah, I probably, I would not fare that well with the rejection of it. Do you still use the draft board? You know, like a board and your notes on it? Not so much anymore. No, because, you know, television, I mean, back in the day when I was writing, I was writing movies, right? You know, and I was trying to figure that out, and I was still a young writer. I've now been a part of, I mean, 120, probably like 150, 160 episodes of television, right? So my brain-

I had entourage ballers, how to make it America, but like my brain for sitting in a room and looking at story in the way I see it and story and beats and how to drive it and the characters, it's a different kind of muscle for me now. So I'll still have like beat sheets and I'll still put things up and not, I don't rely on that like that. You know what I mean? It's like, um, it's become like a little more of a,

model in my brain or a little more format, at least the kind of shows that I named, even though they're all different, they have similarities, they're slightly tonally different and they're different settings, different characters, different experiences. This one, I'm out. It's a little bit different. It's a little bit longer. It's a little more of a drama.

with comedy as opposed to a comedy that's dramatic. So, I mean, it's still a dramedy, but I mean, it's fucking dope. We'll see. We'll see what happens. You know what I mean? I mean, I don't get in trouble with the universe, you know? So, unfortunately. All right, I'm going back to our relationship. Do you remember the birthday party I had? What is it like? I can't remember what bar, but it was off of Coinga. Oh, the fight thing. And the fight thing. Yeah, that was crazy. You rolled in with...

What was his name? Danny Boy? Danny Boy from House of Pain. Yeah, Danny Boy and a bunch of other dudes. Eddie Donaldson. Well, that was kind of crazy because, first off, we were only dating like 10 days. Was it only 10 days? We were only dating because it was your birthday party. We had started dating on April Fool's Day. I was at the bar.

It was against the Clemishes. No, they were surrounding that guy, Greg Vance. Yeah. He was surrounded by a bunch of guys. And I just remember him looking over at me like with this weird look. And I'm like, what's up? You know, so I walked to them. I'm like, yo, what's the problem?

And then I heard a voice from behind my right, which by the way, I would never walk into that scenario now, like in the way I did then, but again, I was a kid. And I just heard some guy go, I'm like, oh, now he's got a problem. And I turned my head and I just got blasted with a headbutt on my nose.

But then it turned into just some melee that was on the globe. And then Danny Boy came in. It was crazy. I mean, it spilled out onto the street. Yeah. Well, we were a lot of guys. There were like 10 of us or something. Yeah, you rolled in. You always used to roll around with a large group. Yeah, I don't do that anymore, man. That just cost me a lot of invitations to a lot of really cool things. Because they'd be like, oh, Rob's going to come with 12 dudes. Right. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't really do that anymore. But I'm very low-key. I don't really go out anymore. I told you I stopped drinking like five years ago. I'm just happy being an old dad who looks younger than he is. That's all I want. You know what I mean? Is to feel strong, feel good. And by the way, I say that mostly in relation to being a dad. But I'm doing all this stuff with my son. It's so fun. And it's like I try to really embrace...

the positive of that energy, you know what I mean? That I have. One is an example too, you know? Like I didn't want my son, Bordeaux, I love drinking wine. I know you like wine. I fucking love the red wine, like Bordeaux. I love that shit. But it was like, you know, those few times where it'd be like, when he was, I think I quit drinking, he was like probably two, three. But I remember being like slightly hungover and I went out and I had like a babysitter and

And then he said, "Daddy, I'm hungry." And it's like 7:00 AM and you're like hung over. - Right. - And you're like, "Yeah, okay buddy, I got you." I was like, "Man, I don't want my kid to see me like this." Like I want it to kill the generational drinking, you know what I mean? - Yeah, so the example you're setting for him now is really good one to be healthy. - In that area, yes, in that area. I'm sure like I will- - You're messing up in some other area. - I'm sure I am looking at a couple hundred grand in therapy at some point over something that I'm gonna be blamed for.

And that's just life. And I think that's every parent, you know, at some point, I remember at some point in time, me with my dad and challenging him on everything and him looking at me like, wait, you think you're smarter than me? You know, it's like you have that thing. And then, you know, by the time my dad got sick and he passed away, like we were cool on every level. I got him. I understood, you know, and I still hear my dad all the time coming to my head and

And I look at my son and I go, if that's not my dad reincarnated, I don't know what the hell it is. My kid was waking up like last week. He's like five more days to Vegas for a spring break. I go, dude, what's with you in Vegas? You never even been to Vegas. I just want to get there and win some money. I go, you're eight years old. You can't gamble. What are you talking about? And he just does things that are so my dad.

Photos that I've seen of him where, you know, you have like guys over and I guess it's you taking the photo, but there's like a head tilt thing in some of the photos that he does that, that really reminds me of your dad.

Really? Yeah. It's so bizarre. There's like, there's just, and it's not all of the photos. There's certain, there's certain ones where he's just got like Carl Weiss thing. Yeah. He really, he really does. I don't, I don't, you know, it's not like it's, I'm oblivious to myself and I'm totally unselfaware. Yeah.

I don't believe it's things that my dad passed to me that I'm passing him. Like there are direct correlations between him and a deceased man that he never met. They never even met. Yeah. And you just go like, you know, I mean, I mean, come on, man. We all got to admit whether we can, it's tangible or not tangible is more than meets the eye here.

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For your work on Entourage. Well, yeah, but that's collectively. The show was nominated for Best Comedy. Your break came in 1993 when you wrote and directed the 1993 film Amongst Friends. That's right. The film was well-received at film festivals. Yes. And you were nominated for the Grand Jury Prize at Sundance. That's right. How did I not know that?

Yeah, well, I was in competition. But I was also nominated. That movie got nominated at some other great festivals like Deauville, Edinburgh. It was well-received. Again, like I said, it was just... It was good. It was. For a kid to make a movie, it was. It had a lot of heart.

And it was, you know, and that's what it was really driven and fueled by. All the people who worked on it were just people that were trying to do something who had never really done anything. You know, and there's definitely promise there. Maybe we'll capitalize on the promise someday. I don't know. You know, we find our path. Like the things that, you know, it's like when you're young, you're like, I want to beat the Academy Awards. I want to get like... Yeah. Like...

I haven't even thought like that in so long. Even like we were nominated for six years straight for Golden Globes with Entourage. I'll never be ungrateful for it. It's amazing to have accolades. For me, more amazing to have fans of a project you work on.

There's nothing better to me than like ballers airing and seeing people live tweet about it. People DMing about things they love. That to me is the greatest thing more than other people in the industry, like recognizing the work you're doing. And that's cool too, but it's not as important.

When you're young, you have this vision of what success looks like to you. Right. Then you get older and your vision changes, right? Like success for me is being able to afford to educate my son, feed him properly, for me to be able to train and eat where I want to eat, where would I want, you know what I mean? Like a little bit of freedom, right?

Like, that's what's important. Like, the award thing, the nomination, it's cool, but it's not. It's cool, but it's not. But it doesn't drive, like, I'm not, like, making projects going, like, oh, how's this going to be received? But I don't think anybody thinks like that anymore. I don't think they're not anymore. I mean, I think that you used to. Like, that was a very big deal if you were nominated for something. I remember when, like, 90210 was nominated and we all went. And then, like, Jason, Luke, and I presented at, was it the Emmys that we presented? Yeah.

And it was so exciting. It was like, oh my God, you know, we made it. You know, there were a bunch of those moments back then, being on the cover of Rolling Stone magazine. Like those are all those defining moments. Whereas now- I remember that cover. I was hanging in the TV room in your house. Yeah. Yeah, it was cool, man. Yeah. And I think also the more successful people have become, the bigger the targets they are. You know what I mean? I think people are just like-

Like down to quietly make dough and live a good life. You know, I think like we live in like, and I'm saying we as just society. Yes. Society live in this just era of constantly just taking people down. And I'm not saying who deserves it, who doesn't deserve it.

but you're just inundated with negativity all the time, man. It's like, and it doesn't really matter what you do to take them apart. And you're just like, holy shit, you know? And you're like, you got to wonder for some of these people, like obviously there's some pretty serious offenders out there that deserved it, but you got to wonder about some of these other people that are just like, oh man, what the

that I get into this for. Like, what, you know? Well, yeah, I mean, there's just, there's that, there's the bullying that just because you're in the public eye in any way, shape, or form. This one, like, they didn't lose weight. The real, she's just like, holy shit. It's nobody's business. Yeah, it's crazy. That's like, why do you have an opinion? Like, let this person live

Their life, the way that they want to live, as long as they're not hurting someone. The trolling is insane. Yeah. The trolling is insane. By the way, okay, so for people that don't know, Rob is from Long Island. Originally Brooklyn, then Long Island. I didn't know that you actually went to school with Doug Allen. Yeah, we went to Woodmere Academy together for a year. I was a year older, but then he went back to, I think, JFK in Merrick.

And he said that you were the inspiration for the character Billy Walsh on Entourage. That's right, I was. Yeah, well, it's kind of, honestly, like the real true story was that in season one, Doug- Wait, he asked you to play the part. Yeah, so basically what Doug wanted to do is he goes, why don't we make-

The director, Rob Weiss, and he hasn't made a movie in a decade. And he wants Vince for the movie. And I swear to God, the whole time I was working on this show, season one, I'm like, this is over. This is over. Any hope I had for career is over. The show is going to be horrible. Who's going to watch this? Like, this is a disaster. And it's crazy because we were actually enjoying the process of writing it.

And I was super excited to do it, but for some reason I could not connect to how an audience was going to connect to the show. I did not foresee it. Doug always had an amazing ability in when we're crafting story or even dialogue and knowing how people are going to receive what is being said. I didn't have that skill set when it started. I was more of a stream of consciousness guy. Like I could definitely construct a good scene and,

and i and i always have like good dialogue even amongst friends that sharp dialogue but you know and flashy but i didn't have his insight so i i really didn't believe that the show was going to be anything so i was like nah bro i don't want to play billy walsh man i don't play rob boy i don't want it to be rob weiss and i don't want to play you know a character um

But it was. It was kind of like a mashup of me and the indie guys from the 90s that kind of were, like, considered to be overly precious and nuts. Like, me, Vince Gallo. Like, there were a handful of guys that they would reference that they'd be like, oh, that guy was a f***ing lunatic or that guy refused to do this, you know? But what's really interesting is that I didn't know that...

Doug wanted you to play that part. So this is great. Because you were my favorite. Lorraine's teaching you all these things about me. That's what happens. But you were my favorite amongst friends. Like your thing, it's happening over here. It's happening over there. Remember that whole thing? Like you were, I just remember watching and being like, that guy's hot. Yeah.

That's really sweet. Like you were the one that I liked. And I thought that your acting was really good. Thanks. You're welcome. I wish you told me this 25 years ago. I had to play a cool back then. There might have been another revenue stream for me, you know, to throw myself into something like improv classes. You can do that now. I think that moment's passed for me. Rick has just started acting.

Well, he jumped in Danny A's movie, right? Who I love also. And Rick is a natural. I think like you could cast me to play a version of me. I'm happy to do it. Me like getting ready for headshots and submitting. It's not happening, man. It's not happening. I just want to get my shows made and the movie I'm writing. And that's like, you know, just focus on that path.

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crushy crush and then you know then hell yeah man I was like in you know and you were fun man I mean you were spicy as but you know you were fun like I loved hanging out with you

You know, back then you were a cigarette smoker. I'd always be like, oh man, this girl smokes cigarettes like a fighter pilot. You'd have them between teeth like, what's up? That's true. Yeah, you were very gangster-y. I was a little gangster. Swagger, gangster, but sexy, great, great style, great aesthetic. Even your home is beautiful, you know, like amazing cook, you know. Thank you. You're solid, you know. Thank you. You'll bounce back from this divorce, I have faith.

I'm always teasing you. No, you 100% will. If you want to, you know? I mean, I'm over it. For now. Oh, no, I'm over it. Well, you're over the divorce, but I'm saying you're not over relationships. Oh, no, I definitely want another relationship. Right, right. 100%. I just don't want to get married again. Yeah, I get it. But I definitely want another relationship. I enjoy having...

that best friend, you know? And yes, I have best friends, but it's different when you're in a physical intimate relationship with someone. I totally get it. For me, that's why I'm saying I'm like 50-50 because I do like that. But I also know I do better in life

Like on some nights when I fucking take a bubble bath and I go to bed and I get up at like 530 and I just get at what I need to get at and I don't have to have any conversations. By the way, I 100% agree. And I love that too. But why can't you? You can still be in a relationship.

Yeah. But have off nights. You know, that's why you keep your house. The girl keeps her house. Yeah. You don't move in together. I feel like we're negotiating this. I'm like, you keep your house, dude. I'll keep my house. You do you. If you want to come out to Malibu, come out. Right. Like, we see each other maybe like three times a week. I think that feels like a good relationship in the 60s.

Yeah, that might be true too. Maybe you're dating too young. I don't, I mean, I don't want to comment on it, but I don't really date that young anymore. That's good. I also don't date that old either. So I'm probably, I definitely think men should be older than the women they date. Okay. You know, what that age difference is, I don't know.

Like, and again, I'm not even like tripping on dudes that are dating women 20 years older than them. Like, and there's some super famous guys out there that have wives that are like 25 years older. Everything is to somebody's preference. You just want to be inspired to have energy. Yeah. That's it. I don't give a shit if it's like a 70 year old woman with energy or a 35, 40 year old woman with energy. You want energy.

good positive energy. The idea for me that I'm going to be in a companion relationship and it's like, oh, you know, we're going on cruises together. Like I'm half dead. You know what I mean? Like I'm not looking for that vibe. Like I just, I'm not there yet. You know, where it's like, yeah, we see each other like, you know, every other Sunday and we

We eat dinner at 4.30 in the afternoon. It's just, I'm not ready to age out like that, you know? Well, that takes me out of the wedding. Now, that doesn't mean I want to date a 26-year-old either, you know what I mean? It just means I need, like, vibrancy, man. I need to keep moving. Like, it's just the way I am, you know? How long did we date before we got engaged? I don't know. That's a good question. That was, like, I don't know. Was it, like, two years in? Three years in? Maybe. Maybe.

Do you remember how you proposed and where we were? I don't think you let me propose. I think you just give me the fucking ring. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. That was not like the most fun process. Like, first off, I could really say that. Like, I'll go down the rabbit hole now because certain memories are popping into my head. One, I think it was on the trip where we were in Italy. We also wound up in the south of France.

And this kid like walks past me and like a speedo. And he's like, Hey Robin. I'm like, Holy. It's like a kid. I went to high school with, and his girlfriend's family with diamond dealers in New York. And you're like, yeah, we're going to get engaged. I'm going to be in New York next week, like doing Letterman or something. We're going to stop in and see the stones. And I'm, you're sitting at a desk and,

And I'm standing behind you and your fingers are like this and they're dropping like five characters. And I'm standing behind you literally looking. I mean, I'm like a broke ass kid. I'm like standing behind you going like this to the girl. You're looking back. I'm just like, what's wrong with you?

So we got that guy to make a really nice ring. Yeah. I remember I had to go out to dinner with your parents to ask for that blessing. Which was really sweet that you did that. Yeah, it was really sweet. But I've been going out with you for three years or whatever. Yeah. And we spent a lot of time with your parents. Yes. You're very, very close with your parents. Yes. Extremely. Yes. Like they're involved in everything kind of shit.

Right. There's a couple of things that I like. I'll flag that. I like one was like the parents were always around, which is cool.

But I remember, so I went to the Palm with them and I'm like, well, you know, so we want to get married. And like, they just started heaping concerns on me. And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm like, holy shit. I'm like, what are you saying? I'm like, I've been dating you for three years. Where's this all coming from now? You know, so. Did I give you the ring back? Yeah. I'm sure. In fact, I've been waiting all these years to slide it back onto your hand. Yeah.

No, I'm sure you did. You know, you were good with me. I was like, I mean, first of all, I can't say like I've ever felt 100% financially stable and safe. Obviously, I've had some really great successes and I own a home and, you know, and there have been certain things I'm about to do. But, you know.

It was definitely a period of ups and downs financially, especially in my 20s, 30s. It was for me too. I mean, I got fired off 90210. I got fired off Charms. So it was like- Well, that's really the length of our relationship because I was with you right after you left 90210.

And I think I was with you until around the time you left charm, you know, for sure were, because I remember, and it's funny because she, her questions are actually like right after you guys got engaged, you broke up.

But then you got back together again. So it made you want to try it again. But one of the interesting points is that at some point I stopped living with you and I got the house on Marmont. Do you remember the Chateau Marmont? Yeah, I lived in that house for you. For a little bit. Yeah. No, I stayed in that. Yeah. That was one right over Depp's house. Right. I was there for like a year with you. And then we had those two English Mastiffs. The English Mastiffs. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, so we were definitely together after I got fired from Charmed as well because I remember the Dick Wolf show got offered to me, but I had to move to New York for it, and I didn't want to move to New York. Really? Yeah, I mean, listen, at that point in time, I'm in my 20s. Don't tell me it was like Special Victims Unit, man, because you'd be owning sports teams now. No, let me tell you, I was an idiot for saying no, but I...

Yeah, like I was young. I was in my 20s. I was in love. I, you know, my whole life was in LA. My parents were here. It was like, I didn't want to leave you. I didn't want to leave. Oh, I don't remember that. That's crazy. Yeah, we were in the pool at night at the Marmont house. I just remember you had like a lot of conflict. Like your producers asking why we would go back together. It was like, well, there's the obvious, right? Which is we had the connection. But

But again, you have to put it in the context of that time period. You knew the people you knew and where you went and what you coveted. We were connected. We knew each other. You could go out and date people and have your dalliances. I could do the same thing.

And then you're like, oh, I miss Shannon. Or you're like, I miss Rob. And then we're all still going to the same handful of places. We're going to cross paths and we're going to link back up. Now I think people like are just like, hey, this was great. Peace out. And they're like, they don't see them ever again. Yeah, that. And they've already laid groundwork with like 300 other people. Like, I'm going to go on this. And like, I mean, we could go down like just,

The insane differences in the world of the way dating is now and how obviously transactional and everything has become me like, and again, it could just be very like an L.A. thing.

But like the stories and like the way it is, it's just not at all the way it was when we were young and dating. Yeah, there was something a little bit more pure about dating back then compared to now. I love that you said it's become very transactional because I've noticed that I won't name names, but someone who is pretty much a serial cheater. But it's only with people...

obvious transactional. It's only with people who can help

that person at certain times in their career. I mean, I'm sure there are people who obviously married and dated for money or for a job or for whatever, but for the most part back then, it didn't feel so transactional. It did feel much more pure. And now, and maybe it's one of the reasons why you're very scared of dating. I love famous people who have always dated famous people to some degree, except for you, I wasn't famous. But like people, I understand there are certain things that are...

You know, like whether they're I don't I don't call it transactional as much as I call that opportunistic where you're just trying to use it to continue building and leveraging. So that definitely existed back then. But there was a purity to the point where, like, if you met somebody, you met somebody.

You didn't meet somebody that has posted a thousand pictures of themselves that look nothing like who they are. That's a complete avatar. You've developed this like fantasy relationship in your head with this other person. Then you meet and you're so confused as to who's showing up. But yeah, you have this thing. And I just look around and I'm just like, it was basic and it was simple back then, but it's,

It was good for that. You know what I mean? Like it, it also like, it also felt like a community, right? Like dating back then in Hollywood felt like you knew the people, they all kind of went to the same places. I felt like, like there was a sense of community and you were kind of dating in the community. I don't know if that's the case anymore. I feel like the community is more global now, you know? Yeah. The global dating community.

I agree. How has Rob been supportive during the difficult past few years? He hasn't. No, that's not true. I never heard from him. I'd be like, what do you mean? What happened? What did I miss? No, that's not true. You definitely have been there. You've definitely sent me...

Text messages. You called like when my cancer came out. You showed up for my dad's funeral. Oh, yeah. But I remember the cancer diagnosis. But you were married. So I assumed and, you know, one, I like to respect everybody's space. Like you don't need like you're f***ing crazy.

X hitting you up when you're married, right? It was like, Oh, like, and that guy didn't seem like particularly like all loose and cool. He seemed a little stiff. So I made him like, Oh, what's he writing you for? You know, that's number one. Number two is, you know, like people going through these life changing events of such significance, which is scary, obviously, but,

Like, I think I wrote you like, hey, sending you love. If you ever need anything, just know, like, you know, I'm here.

Because I'm not walking in your shoes and like, I don't know your experience and I'm not going to make your experience about me. Right. That, that experience is just to say to you, like, I'm, I'm here for you. You know, if you should need me, if your husband should let you down, hit me, hit me up. I got you. I got you girl. But you know, like, but so I think like there were a couple of times I did that, you know, and then there were other things I learned, um,

At the same time, other people did, like when your cancer came back. And I remember being devastated by that when the whole thing happened with the fire. And watching you have to go on one of the morning shows, which I watch, you know, the Today Show, I think it's on Channel 4, this one I watch. But I saw you on a show where you felt like you had to share –

this new chapter in your battle with cancer because it was going to come out in this insurance case. And that was an awful thing to see. First off, anybody have to do right. But, but somebody that you still feel connected to, you care about, you know, like you don't want to watch somebody have to go out there and put themselves out like that. And, you know, and it was uncomfortable for you. It was so uncomfortable because I hadn't, I hadn't, uh,

I hadn't really faced it yet, so I was still coming to terms and grappling with it. So then to actually talk about it with a stranger was very, very, very, very emotional for me. I mean, I can't even watch that interview. I think I saw a clip of it, and I wanted to climb in a hole and disappear forever. It was really uncomfortable. You know, you've been through a lot, man. There's nothing I'm going to say about...

that's going to take that away or make it better. It's your experience, you know, and it's a, it's not been an easy one and an easy path, you know? It has not. Yeah. I mean, it's much respect props to you for, for, and I said this to you before this started, how important you are for other, not just women, but people, particularly people that, you know, were part of that same generation watching 90210 and who were going through similar experiences and,

And how they relate to you and how you're leading people through by sharing your experience. You know, that's a. Thank you. And you're pretty spry, man. You got, you got like a lot of like. No, I got so much life left in me. I'm good. Yeah. It's pretty clear, you know, so. I'm not going anywhere. Yeah. I don't think so either. Thank you. Thanks you guys for listening to Let's Be Clear with Shanna Doherty. Bye. Bye.

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