Worst Date Experiences, Relationship Red Flags & Exposing Our ICKS About Our Spouse
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Today, we have some fun stories.

stories to tell. I'm so excited. We had you guys submit your worst date experiences on our unplanned podcast Instagram. Shout out to everyone that did that. If you're not following the Instagram, we'll put a link in the description. Also guys, poor Matt does not feel good right now. I feel bad. Well, you know what? I feel bad for you because you are nearing the end of the pregnancy and I feel like you probably don't feel good all the time. So I know that I don't feel good, but

I feel bad that you're also not feeling good. Yeah, I don't feel great. Yeah. Most of the time. You look so cute though. Your bump's bumping today. You look really cute in your dress. You can see my belly moving. It looks like a prosthetic. Seriously, your belly has popped so much that it doesn't even look real. But it's so cute. Wow, I'm seeing all those kicks.

You can literally see this kid is crazy. I keep saying at Griffin, our firstborn is going to be our calm, sweet guy. Yeah. And then I think that the second baby is going to be our wild card. Yeah. I think you're right. And I think they're going to look alike too. We had an ultrasound. Yeah. I think they're going to look alike. Yeah. We had an ultrasound yesterday. Gosh, was that yesterday? Yeah. Our days have been jam-packed, but it was so sweet. But

he was just going crazy the whole time so we couldn't see his face he was just squirming and kicking and the sonographer was like he is very active which is of course is so reassuring but

I'm like, yeah, I want to have an ultrasound going on in the middle of the night when he's literally doing backflips, it feels like. Oh, my gosh. I want to see what's actually going on in there. Totally. Yeah, we've had families staying with us. Abby's parents are about to move in with us. We're going to have her parents living actually in this podcast studio. This will be one of their rooms that they'll have. We'll probably put a TV in here for them to watch.

It'll be a multi-purpose room. Yeah, it'll be multi-purpose. We'll get to film our podcast and we'll get to, you know, chill out in here. Yeah, my dad's also going to work. He's going to be working online. Literally. Literally in the corner. Oh, you know what? That's going to be plenty of space for a desk. Yeah, this will be great. We need to get one of those standing desks for him. We do need to do that. Oh my gosh. There's a lot of things going on with the big...

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And that just really helps us out. This man is going crazy in my belly. Before we get started, I thought it'd be funny if we kind of told some of our date stories. Here's the thing. When you've been together for seven years. We got some crazy stories. We've had so many dates that it's kind of like hard for certain ones to stick out, you know? I know. But something that I think is sweet that was like a reoccurring thing on dates I used to do is

back in like high school and college budgets were tight. Yeah. And so for date night Matt would go to the dining hall at our university and he would eat a pre-dinner before our dinner date so he didn't have to spend as much of dinner to get full.

Well, I would just, I was so hungry at dinner and I didn't want to like break the bank to, I don't know, have to pay for a date. So rather than like me eating a ton of food, cause I eat a lot of food. Um, I would go to our dining hall in college and eat before the date. And then I could just enjoy it. Like we'd go to a sushi place and I could have like one sushi roll and we would just talk and chat. Cause sometimes if I have food in front of me,

um i just all i can think about is the food i know that's actually another reason why you did that because he does this you do this now like even now but you will just like scarf down your food you don't even look up you barely take a breath for air i don't know when you have food it's like you've gone through some traumatic event where you were starved well i grew up with brothers and when the food was gone the food was gone so if you ate faster you got to eat more

And not that I grew up in poverty or anything, but I definitely I had a good childhood. But I just yeah, we all love to eat. I still love to eat, but I would just eat really, really fast. That's why I tell him often when we're eating. I'm like, Matt, I'm not going to take your food like I'm not going to take it off your plate. You eat like I'm going to like just like snatch it away at any moment.

And so you would do that so you could focus and talk on the date, which is really sweet. But then also, of course, to save money. What would you say is one of our worst date experiences, though? Because that's not like necessarily a worst date experience. I see. I can't think of like anything in particular. I can think of something particular. Well, obviously, like when we're on a fight during a date. But like those aren't like... Well, yeah. No, but we...

This year we went to this fancy restaurant and let me tell you guys like we love going to fancy restaurants every now and again It might be expensive, but you know if you only go, you know twice a year It's worth, you know, maybe a hundred bucks Hey if we're really gonna send it maybe even like 150 or 200 on a really nice dinner cuz it's like it's all about the experience It's all about just like sharing that special moment together. Okay, but there's a difference between a nice dinner and then

gourmet. I know. And so we accidentally ended up at this place that was gourmet. We show up, they didn't have any prices on the menus. That's red flag number one. I started to panic immediately. Okay. Um, I, and, and you know, like I was like thinking, okay, Hey, if it's maybe it'll be 200. Cause I think that one of the nicest dinners we ever had, um,

Was probably like a hundred so I was like hey this place might be 200, but it's gonna be alright. You have to set the scene though We're at this table alone outside in this like courtyard. There is not a soul at this restaurant I thought we were gonna get murdered. I felt and there's like weird 90s music playing it

It felt like it did feel like a murder mystery movie. And we have our private, like, he was kind of like a butler, honestly. It was weird. It made me kind of feel uncomfy. And he was just like, at this table, there's only one option, and it's the five-course meal. What would you like? And we're like, well, we'll take that, I guess. That's our option. Yeah.

And so then the plates start coming. But I think the most painful thing is all the portion sizes were so tiny. Like I'm talking like the tiniest. Like it was literally like one bite and they brought portions. Like one crostini. Yeah. And they'd bring it to you every like 20 to 30 minutes. So we're there so hungry, like eating a bite every 20 minutes. And it was torture. Okay. And the bites were little.

Less than appealing. Exactly, because they were serving us bone marrow and liver. They gave us like duck liver. The liver was the worst. You know pregnant ladies aren't supposed to have liver? Yikes. I googled that. What about fish eggs? Didn't we have like fish eggs too or something? Yeah, you're probably not supposed to have that either. Caviar. Caviar. We had caviar. We had raw beef, swordfish. It was so gross. And the swordfish was gross. I thought the swordfish might taste good. It sounded good. It did not taste good. It was one of those fancy places that actually serves you like...

sorbet before dinner like before your main course but i think it was the most annoying thing the best part of that meal was the dessert and they only gave us one to split i think what shocked me though is when we saw the bill yeah and that's where i i literally started laughing i was so shocked wait we have to tell them what i was doing though we were right next to a fireplace abby was literally chucking the food in the fireplace because it was so bad i was like

The food. We were just like cracking jokes. Honestly, we were having a good time. That was a fun day. Because of how horrible it was. Like the experience was so horrible that we were like laughing about it. And then. And three hours later we get the bill. We look at the bill. Three hours later after we rushed them, they were offended that we wanted to get the bill because we had to get home to put Griffin to sleep because it was like nine o'clock or maybe it's like 930. And we get the bill and it was for $500. $500.

That's outrageous. $500 for dinner. That's like our grocery bill for two weeks. I don't even understand how you can charge that much money for a dinner. It was, here's the

Here's the thing. I wanted to throw up. No food is that good for $500 for one meal, but let alone this food. And look, like maybe, maybe if it was like the absolute best dining experience I've ever had in my whole entire life, maybe I would have been like, okay, you know what? Yes, this is freaking outrageous, but this was like an incredible experience. No, you could not pay me enough to go back to this place. It was horrible. I think we just learned that gourmet dining isn't, we're not,

We're not cut out for that. I don't know, though, because we've had some pretty fancy food and we liked it a lot.

But this was a different level. I feel like this is more for the experience. Whereas I think if you're like, yeah, like if you're a gourmet diner, you go for the experience where we really go for the food. Yeah. And we go to come out full. Yeah. But all that to say, we're not going to get into your worst date experiences. I'm really excited for these. Thank you to everyone who sent these in. I'm so, we haven't seen them yet. So yeah, we had to pick these out for us. So you want to get into it? So this first one, this person would like to remain anonymous.

"First date was a guy I'd met before but didn't remember until halfway through the date. We went ice skating and saw Christmas lights, which was fine. Then at the end he kissed me like three times and it was so awkward. Then afterwards he was saying how it was his best kiss yet, but it was horrible.

Always don't kiss in the first date guys unless you can clearly tell the girl wants to lol. Okay rep We kissed on the first day. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, we definitely broke that rule I don't know. It was the right move though. Even though our first kiss was horrible. It was electric though. Here's the thing. It's not

It's not about like when you have the first kiss it's about how it goes and and the thing is I think the first time it can be bad but be really good because the first time like The actual first time can be bad, but still be good, you know You see you don't stand like if things are going well. No, it doesn't matter how the actual kiss is It's like you're gonna you're gonna think in your head. It's just like magical and special Yes, if you like really like clearly things weren't tracking before. Yeah it already and

But also it's incredibly weird to reflect upon the first kiss on that same date still. Yeah. To be like, that was such a good kiss. I know. That's weird.

That is really weird. That's pretty dorky too. Oh my gosh. That's uncomfortable. Yeah, that's, but hey, Christmas lights and ice skating, that's pretty romantic and sweet. That's like a Hallmark movie. That is. That's cute. We've done that before. We need to go ice skating again. I miss those dates. We used to do that in college. I'm terrible, but I think it's fun. You look so cute. I have pictures of you in your leggings. Like you had these like cute leggings on. Oh, in Springfield? Yeah, in Springfield. I was thinking when we went. I thought you looked so hot. And I would like look at those pictures all the time. Like, wow, my girlfriend's so freaking beautiful. That's cute.

That's cute. Do you know that sometimes I get a little jealous when you look at old pictures of me? Really? Even though it's still me. I'm like, don't look at me pre-pregnancy right now. Really? Interesting.

I think it's just fun to like. I feel like you're cheating on current me with past me. I just like to reminisce on like past experiences. I just saw, oh my gosh, this about melted my heart. Almost made me tear up. I was going through our SD cards before filming the podcast and I found all this footage of us back in October as a family with Griffin and seeing how little he was and him laughing for the first time. And then like, it was just, it just melted my heart. I didn't even know what to do. I almost went and showed you, but then I didn't want you to cry. Oh.

Was that around Halloween? Yeah. When I was wearing the black outfit and he was in his little pumpkin? We were at Myrtle Beach. Oh, sweet. So sweet. What's the next one? This one's from Brooklyn. I've been super nervous about this date. We've been together for nine months. That's kind of weird that she's nervous after nine months. Anyway, and things were okay for the most part. He was always jealous of me talking to guys as friends, but I didn't care. He had this one friend who was a girl that made me uncomfortable. We both agreed that he wouldn't talk about...

Whoa.

For a while, he wouldn't tell me what he said. And he got so mad at me that he decided to leave me alone and walk away in the middle of the Holocaust Museum. And I started bawling my eyes out. Let's just say that relationship didn't last very much longer. Wow. Wait, why are you texting another girl while you're on a date actively with? With your current nine-month girlfriend. Jeez. Oh, my gosh. Here's my question. Like, if you're not going to be exclusive, then why even, like, entertain that? Yeah, why did you even ask her out?

Yeah. Like, ask her to be your girlfriend. I will say, though, I think that back in the day, people tended to go on more dates and it wasn't necessarily exclusive. Like, you could just go on dates with people and it wasn't a big deal. And I feel like now... No, but since they'd been together for nine months. That's true. That's true. They were together nine months. That's bad. That's different than going on dates. Yeah, that's true. But also, it seems like this relationship was doomed already because they were both already jealous and, like... Yeah. Feeling weird about... I don't know. I don't remember us ever going through any jealousy things because... Did you? Yeah.

You definitely didn't. Did I? I wasn't jealous, no. You honestly had a lot of girlfriends. I mean, you were actively going on dates when I asked you out for the first time. That's the thing. I was going on dates, but it wasn't exclusive. I feel like people now... I think the guy thought that it was more exclusive because that guy was pissed. And I think...

I think that in his mind, you guys were kind of, I don't know. That's his fault because he asked me to be his girlfriend and I said no. So that's true. That is true. I think that we should bring back casual dating culture. Were you cuddling with this guy? Would you cuddle on the couch? There might have been a couple cuddles. Did he ever squeeze your tush? No.

No, I would never. I didn't slap him in the face. I didn't let him kiss me. No, I remember. I remember. I actually I touched your butt and then I I started making the joke. Call me Nemo. That's disgusting. I made the joke. I feel so uncomfortable that you did that. I said, call me Nemo because, you know, he touched the butt, whatever. Like that was part of the Nemo movie. Remember that? Why did you think that joke was OK? You put that on Instagram. I put it on Instagram. Nobody got it, though. It was an inside joke.

I thought it was hilarious. Baby, I feel like people probably figured that out and they were like, that's weird. Now I feel weird about that. I'm sorry. That's my worst date story. No, I'm just kidding. Oh my gosh.

Okay, do you want to read this one from Beth? Yes, we got Beth. I went on a date with a guy. He asked me to bring deodorant with me because he didn't have a shower because he was out the night before and stayed at a friend's house. He then showed up in the same clothes he had worn the day before. Whoa. And to bed last night. He stank. Okay, that's disgusting. He then got absolutely wasted. We're talking like 25 beers. Wow. What? That's crazy. I didn't even know that you could drink that much. And pissed. Well, Matt, you can't drink one without feeling. Oh my gosh, stop.

I can drink a beer and be fine. Matt's a lightweight. It's okay. It's really cute. I don't drink often, but when I do, usually what it is is like- When you do, you get fun though. Like you get a little bit more like laughy and silly. I am not a lightweight. I am a regular weight. Matt. I'm regular. No.

No, Matt. You'll have one beer and you'll be like, do you guys feel it? Abby, I'm crazy without alcohol. Let's be honest. I know. That's why the alcohol has a fast effect on you. He pissed in the street twice. So yeah, that was pretty bad. Oh, and he missed his last train home. So I had to drive him. Wow.

trains i know that people are still taking trains these days i bet you i bet you they either live in the city or they live in europe because i know like trains are big in europe that is a terrible day why would you drink oh my god body odor is something that i would have zero tolerance for that's disgusting zero tolerance man okay question for you though hygiene thank you question for you though like you always get on me about like breath like

like oh yeah but like was that an issue in the beginning of us dating or did you not even notice because like i'm like nothing's changed you know i think i've told you this before there was one specific time your breath almost made me throw up when we were kissing when we first started dating oh was it because we we had like ice cream and then it was like the smell of the ice cream it was ice cream sandwich you are very sensitive to that though to breath yeah you are oh yeah you're very sensitive yeah i am honestly don't get too close to me because i didn't brush my teeth this morning you didn't brush your teeth today i

Why not? I don't know why. It's because I was still drinking my coffee when I was doing my makeup and then I didn't want to brush my teeth when I had done my makeup because I didn't want to wipe it off. Hey, you want to know a secret? What? I don't brush my teeth in the morning.

morning yeah i know that i do know that for a fact i don't know i just get started with my day and then i'm like ah frick and then i end up using mouthwash and then i brush my teeth at night if you don't okay if you're not brushing your teeth at night that's disgusting you can't go to bed you can't go to bed without brushing your teeth that to me is just like that's serial killer i know what is weird is like if you brush your teeth and then you go on to like eat a full breakfast and a coffee like the tooth you still have the the taste of toothpaste no not really it's kind of gross no

Alright, what do we got next? This one's from Rachel. Not worst date, but one time I had a guy I barely knew just kiss one night and talked for a few months after. We didn't live near each other. Text me the early morning of his wedding saying he wished he was with me. Whoa. That was years after the kiss. Figured he had to have too much to drink and sent it. I didn't know it was a wedding day until I saw it on Facebook later that day. Oh my gosh. Oh my

gosh what a crazy story did you have any thoughts like that ever on your wedding day no i definitely got cold feet i think we both did i got cold feet the day before like that right before the rehearsal i think you're just like holy f like i'm i'm locking this in yeah you know there's no going back it's a huge commitment but like i was thinking about this i've been seeing a lot of tiktoks about um like things that people would change about their weddings and

I cannot think of one thing I would change about our wedding. Our wedding was really fun. I cannot think of one thing. Yeah, I agree. Your mom did a great job planning it. Yeah, it's probably because my mom planned it. We lucked out. She's very good at that stuff. But then also, I said this even then. I was like, if at the end of the day, I'm married to Matt Howard, it'll be the perfect day. And so now I literally am like, that was perfect. Yeah. I wouldn't have changed anything. It was perfect. I think it's just scary because...

I don't know. Even with like friends in your life, if you have a really close friend, maybe one day you part separate ways and you go your own directions. But with the marriage, it's not like you really do that. Like you're kind of in it. I mean, even your kids. Like it's a huge command. You'll be a parent for the rest of your life. But...

They move out. Yeah. Oh my gosh, I'm going to cry thinking about that. We got to move on. I know. That one's from Anonymous. Anonymous. I went on a date with a guy just to find out he was a kleptomania. You know what that is? It's where you obsessively steal things. Oh my gosh.

and stole full sets of silverware from every restaurant he goes to. Wow. He told me about it after the date while showing me a full box of stolen silverware that he keeps under his bed. Okay. Wow. That is weird. That is hard to believe. I understand it's an illness. Like, I understand they have something wrong. Yeah, it's hard to believe it's an illness. But I'm like, what the freak's wrong with you? Like, get that taken care of. It's not yours. Yeah.

That's sad. Have you ever stolen anything? I actually haven't. Other than if you consider getting a water cup at a restaurant and getting soda, I've done that a couple times. I still go to my mom. My mom, if they don't have lemon to put in her water, she'll put some lemonade in the cup and then put water in it. She's just thrifty. I'm like, Mom, you know that's stealing, right? And she's like, No, it's not. They don't have lemon.

Okay, this is also from Anonymous. Went to the fair with a guy I'd been talking to for a while but hadn't kissed yet. This was in high school. We do all the normal fair things, play the games, eat the food, ride the rides. At the end, he was like, want to go on the Ferris wheel to end the night? So Ferris wheel ride ensues. It was a beautiful night, so I lean my head back, close my eyes, and soak it all in. Without warning, I all of a sudden have an open mouth and tongue all over.

my face. Puppies looking at your face. I felt like forever. He sits up and says, well, that was awkward.

Oh, no. Jeez. I don't understand how that could possibly happen. Matt, do you want to know something embarrassing? Is that you said the same thing after your first kiss with me? Yeah, I did say it was awkward afterwards. But it wasn't.

But it wasn't that bad. It was just a sweet little smooch. He was electrical. But this guy probably he probably said, well, this is awkward, probably because she was so caught off guard and didn't like kiss back. That just makes me uncomfortable to visualize that, you know? Yeah. I pictured like. I know. I don't like that. So bad. And on a Ferris wheel, she can't get away. She's stuck. Yeah.

That's awful. That is a horrible situation. He had a carny in the head. Okay, this is from Kaylin. She said, "'We had been dating for a year before I had the courage to go poop at his house.'"

We were hanging out with his little sister and nephew when I snuck off and went into his bathroom to poop. Well, his toilet decided to act up and not flush. So I tried flushing it like 10 times and decided to start flooding. No, it wasn't clogged, just not working. And before I knew it, the toilet poop water was overflowing.

That is so disgusting. You're weird about towels. That is weird. Yeah, I mean, like, don't use a clean towel like that. Like, find some paper towels or get, like, a used...

nasty towel that's like a rag used on a car i don't know oh my god he came back with the trash bags we could throw the bath mats away and towels away i was mortified and so embarrassed at the time but it's a good story now and we laugh about it all the time don't care if it's an omnis or not he still put a ring on it and gave me two cute babies oh sweet isn't it kind of precious how like when you're dating things are so embarrassing but when you're married it just gets

It's like, oh, whatever. I literally pooped in front of I literally pooped my pants in front of you while we were dating. Remember that? Yeah. Those green shorts. I like went to to fart and it wasn't it wasn't a fart. They were green joggers. And then I had to like run upstairs. Yeah. That was so embarrassing. You. Yeah. Well, you did. You still married me. You clean poop.

Oh, I did clean poo-poo off of you. That's right. After your surgery. We never talked about this. Oh my gosh. Should we talk about it? It's fine. It's just...

It's still embarrassing, but like I wasn't embarrassed because it was you. It was so sad. You were like, you were in so much pain after your hernia surgery. Yeah. They were pumping me with Miralax. And I think, did you, did you fart or like did it just slip out or what happened? No, I didn't even know I had to go. Like things were so weird down there. Like I, so I had a hernia repair and then it obviously hurts to go number two. And plus also all the anesthesia constipates you. Yeah. So I was having so much Miralax. Yeah.

And I accidentally pooped all over myself. And Matt had to clean it up. I cleaned it up. And you had to clean it off of me. It's all good. See, if that happened when we were dating, I would have been mortified. It wasn't great even though we were married, but it was a lot more comfortable. Oh my gosh. Okay, this is from Anonymous.

So this guy DM'd me asking for a date. I doubted if I would accept it or not because it was a random person on the internet. But at the same time, life was getting pretty boring. Finally, I accepted, not looking at his account and deciding if he was a catfish, but put the condition that I would bring my BFF. I told him that he could bring his too. When I got to the restaurant where we agreed we would meet, he was there with his mother. What? He presented her as his best friend. Oh my gosh. Then added that it was his mother. I was shocked.

And me and my best friend got out of there as soon as we could. He asked me to get a week later. I haven't responded yet. Two years later. Ha ha. Don't bring your mother on a date. What in the world? That is just foreshadowing for a terrible relationship with your mother-in-law if you would ever get married. Yikes, dude. The moms that can't let go of their sons. Yeah, that's uncomfy. Embarrassing. She's my best friend. I'm like not that way at all. I feel like I just decided to be...

I don't know. I feel bad. I forget to call my parents a lot of times. Well, your mom's also super good about like respecting boundaries and our marriage and stuff. Totally. Yeah, you're right.

But she like, I mean, she fully like when you turn 18, she was kind of like, okay, well, yeah, she knew that her role as a mother had shifted at that point. And I really did enjoy college, like being independent, getting to be my own person, going off with you and not having, I mean, I don't know, like my parents are great, but they would, they would tell me what to do. Like I lived in their house and they would just like, yeah, order me to do things. And I, well, they like had expectations for you. Totally. But it was just nice not having to.

to deal with that and I could just make my own decisions. And the nice thing about making your own decisions too is if you mess up, it's all on you. So you can't blame your parents. You can't blame other people. It's just, oh, I messed up. That's on me. I got to figure it out. Yeah. What do we got? Okay. I went on a small date to the Mexican restaurant in my town and this guy, he ordered the biggest meal and then ate and kept being on the phone and then just walked out. And then I had to pay $50 for both meals. Wow. Okay. That's everything that could have gone wrong.

went wrong that's so bad like if you're a guy on your phone

eating and then make her pay the bill? Okay, like look, I'm not, I think that guys and girls, the guy doesn't need to pay every time. I mean, it depends on kind of the background you come from and kind of the approach you want to have, but just being a bit, but going on a date, being the guy and just walking out like that is not okay at all. Like if anything, if he didn't like the girl or just wasn't the right fit, like if anything, they could have split it. But like to make her pay, that's ridiculous.

Okay, I think it should be whoever asks who on the date. That's a good point. That's actually a really good point. And most of the time it's the guy that asks her on the date. So it's like it should be. But then also if you've been dating two years. That's different. Yeah. Yeah, that's different. Then you can like trade off because you can't.

I don't know if you've been together a long time, I think to put the financial burden of every single date on the guy might be a lot. But yeah, I totally agree with you. That's a really good point. If you ask somebody on a date, you're paying for the date. Yeah, it's kind of like if you invite people to dinner, it's like you should probably pay. I don't know. Oh, totally. All right, here's the next one. It's a group date.

We're taking a swing dancing class, then going dancing. That's so fun. Oh, it says sounds fun, right? Oh, my God. It was not. They were all friends and knew each other except for me, which is not my kind of scene, lol. The whole night was just awkward, and I couldn't wait to get home. Then, of course, wanted to get food after.

So this date is just getting uncomfortably long. Finally, I'm getting dropped off. One of his friends was driving. As he's walking me up to the door, his friend drives away. I was trying to be nice and say thank you. I had fun and bye. Then he puts out his hands and goes, we're going to kiss.

Whoa. No. No.

Oh, shoot. Okay, that's so terrible because you know him and his buddy were like, I'm going to go up to the door with her and you just drive away, give us some privacy because I'm going to plant one on her. You know that he was scheming with that guy. Yeah. That's so not cool. That's so gross. And to try to make the first kiss an open mouth kiss, like, come on. Come on. Also- That's stupid. Anybody doing that is kind of weird. Like-

Don't you warm up to that? Like, I feel like us being married, like if, if, if, you know, the, if, if the steam has gotten pretty hot, you know, if it's, if the, if the mood has shifted, maybe we, maybe we just send it for open mouth right away. But like to make your first kiss with somebody, an open mouth kiss is,

No. That's just like a... That's disgusting. That's a hard no. That's a hard no. That is so gross. And then to also be like, I'm gonna kiss you now. That's weird. It's like, you're really creepy and you're really weird. No. You just... No. Do you think the guy should ask before they kiss? Um...

You know, it really depends. I feel like if the body language is right, if the mood is right, then maybe you don't need to. But then I think so many people are nervous on their first date that they have no idea how to read the room. Right? Yeah. I think if you're, that's the thing. Did I ask you to kiss you? That's actually a really good question. Did I just send it? I don't think I, did I ask you? You didn't ask me. I think I just sent it. I think you asked me. No, you didn't. You just kissed me. So what's your opinion on that?

Honestly, I think it's a good idea to ask because... Okay, if you've kissed before, then no, you don't need to ask. But if you haven't kissed before, maybe ask because maybe you're just misreading it because you feel nervous. That would have been so funny, though, if you would have dodged the kiss. Because I put my hand on your chin and we...

Yeah, it was sweet. Went in for it. It was really sweet. It was still awkward, but it was sweet. But, like, can you imagine if you wouldn't have been ready and you would have just been, like, just moved your face? That would have been so funny. I think it's a good idea to ask, honestly. Yeah.

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Wow. They were married at the time and he's flirting with her. No, no, no. So it was boyfriend at the time. So I guess it was just a double date. And the guy was hitting on her the whole time on the double date. That is so weird. That is so uncomfortable. Why would you hit on somebody while you're while they're with somebody else? Like if you're going to do it and it's not OK to do it like.

Do it when their significant other is not around, but to hit on them. That's so disrespectful. Like, what? Would you say something if someone did that? I'd be like, back the F off, dude. Like, what's your deal? I would probably leave. Like, I would be like, I'm out. Like, this is weird. You're being weird. I would talk to the person.

Well, one time we had a friend of ours slap you in the butt and I confronted him. Oh, yeah. And I think like we haven't really talked to that guy since. No, that was like so. Well, you got you like called him out and then he like didn't say sorry. And then we just like never hung out again. Yeah. Because we were like, that's not cool. That's not funny. Like he was trying to be funny and silly and stuff. It wasn't like an aggressive like.

Super uncomfy one, but it was still completely uncalled for. You don't slap a woman on the butt. And like we were friends, but not that close. Also, none of your friends could be that close with me. No way. It'd be okay for them to slap me on the butt. Nobody could. I don't think, I can't think of anybody that could slap you on the butt other than maybe, maybe your brother. But even then, that would be weird. You know? That wouldn't be that weird, honestly. Really? You slap your brother on the butt. Yeah, I do. Yeah, okay. I also pants him sometimes. Okay. Oh, yeah. Remember when I pulled his pants down and he was playing Oculus? Oh.

Oh yeah, you did that. That was funny. That's a classic. Okay, pick me up for church. We had went on a hiking date previously because we had mutual friends, but we went to church where he put his arm around me and everything is super complimentary. But afterwards, we get into the car and he said he wasn't sure about where this was headed because he realized he was attracted to the girl sitting in front of us at church and had matched with her on Hinge before and never pursued that. So he was interested in pursuing it and realized that

sitting there. He wanted to still hang out afterwards and I was like, um, no, please take me home. I didn't like dropping that bomb and being like, so you want to go to brunch now? Yikes. Yeah. Why would you do that actively on a date? I think there's,

we're ignoring the simple fact that if you if your feelings have changed or if anything has you know changed throughout your dating experience you don't need to like be on a date while you drop this news you can just like say hey we need to have a conversation you can say hey let's have a conversation lay the news you know make a clean break and be done you don't but even that like if it's just a simple date i feel like there is this like certain culture of like overthinking and like being like i don't know where this is headed this direction it's just like just say hey like keep it more casual just be like

You know, I want to pursue other people at this time. Like, thanks for the date that we had. I enjoyed it. And like, no need to be exclusive at this time. Yeah, totally. Keep it light. Keep it lighthearted. Oh, yeah. I was a single mom of a seven-month-old baby when I matched with a super nice guy on Tinder. Okay, first of all, I wonder how old this was because like Tinder is not really an app where you date anymore. It's more of just a hookup app. But anyway. Okay.

He was super sweet and fine with the fact that I already had a child. After two weeks of talking, we decided to meet. He was my first ever Tinder date, so I was super nervous. Can I say something? What's up? It's kind of annoying how it's like the women have to be like almost carry it like baggage, like having a kid. Whereas like I feel like...

feel like whoever the baby daddy here is not going around on dating apps and being like oh by the way i have a kid i will say this though and this is weird i don't know why it's this way but i feel like a woman would almost like it if a guy had a kid because we like to nurture in general i think like i think that's like almost attractive like oh my gosh you have a kid like i love that but i think and it's not necessarily oh it's baggage not necessarily but i would say more so than women right like

If a guy is looking for a partner and he already has a kid, I think that would just make women's hearts melt. Seeing them as a dad because they're like, oh my gosh, I want you to be a father to my babies. But no, you're totally right. It's definitely different for men and women. And that's interesting. That's annoying.

We met at his place. I know. I should have been a little bit more careful with that. And one thing led to another and we ended up in his bed. Where's the baby? Where's the baby? When we were done, he got up to shower and that was the moment when I realized that the bed sheets were totally wet. And half a second later, I realized that it was my breast milk.

At some point, my boobies just decided that it would be nice to give him a little shower. Oh my gosh. I can't even explain how embarrassed I was. I apologized and he just replied. Yeah, I noticed. I thought that I'll never see him again. And we were a little upset because of that. Flash forward to this exact moment. I have two more kids with him. We have our own place, steady jobs and a few dogs. Wouldn't change a thing. That's hilarious. Yeah, it would be kind of...

kind of sweet though because he like didn't say anything he just like got to shower wow that's crazy that is insane has that ever happened to you i don't know i've never i've never had like the milks never got on on the sheets but it's gotten in other places moving right along moving right along

That's impressive, girl. Go with the milk supply. Totally. Okay, this one's from Bruno. Wow.

Okay, well, that doesn't mean you have to give up on dating altogether, girl. Totally. You just want sour apple in the patch. That's right. But yeah, that's annoying. Flakiness. And if you're going to be like that on the first date, it's kind of like, okay, I don't... You're already setting the tone. This should be... That's the thing. I feel like ladies, listen, the guys will... They will show their true colors right off the bat.

That's when they're going to be their best. Their first date is they're going to be on their best behavior. And if they're already striking out, it's like, okay, let's just not even entertain. It's not going to get better. It's not. It's not going to get better. If you're in a relationship and the relationship's not going well and you're like, well, we made it through the hard stuff, so it's going to get better now. Or you're getting in bad fights at the beginning. That is a major red flag. Yeah. Major red flag. Because look, our relationship...

arguments and fights are unavoidable they will happen to every happens to literally every couple but if you're getting those like right away that's a huge red flag and you should sprint away from that person it's not gonna work out because i feel like in the early stages of our relationship it was all sunshine and rainbows dude yeah it was incredible and uh anyway we still have sunshine we do we still have sunshine rainbows still some clouds that's right

So this is from Helen. This is worst date story. I had a male friend, childhood friend from school. We used to go out on dates as dinners. Dinner, cinema. Well, one day he texts me, we're on our way. I get confused because we usually went out alone. Turns out his new girlfriend had insisted on coming. She was furious. She told him off, slapped him and yelled at him on the way to the restaurant. He had only booked a table for two and only had two movie tickets booked.

I'm a little confused, but we'll keep reading. We got to the restaurant and the waitress is a bit slow, so she...

doesn't pick up on the situation. We get a small table, have to squeeze around, and she only gives us two menus. The girlfriend was still furious, so she wouldn't let me look at the menu. I ordered from memory, thank God I checked out the menu online before I left home, and dinner was full of awkward silence when she wasn't telling my friend off. I ate my main course in a hurry and excused myself. In the bathroom, I called one of my other friends and asked her to save me. Five minutes later, she called me, pretending something terrible had happened,

And I could leave the two lovebirds behind and dash out. It's kind of weird. That's on your friend. Yeah. Whoa. Why did he think it was okay to take you on a date with a girl? Totally. I guess he just thought that they were friends. And I don't know. It just something happens. I think once you're in a relationship, like it's harder to have

friends that are of the opposite sex and it's sad that it's it is that way but it just can get weird and so maybe he was hoping that they could just still be friends but clearly that is a hot topic do you think that you can be friends with someone of the opposite sex while you're in a relationship yes but like you're not gonna go get dinner and movie with them you know that's not really the thing to do with your friend so what does that mean like what can you do you can just talk can you text one-on-one

I don't know. It's hard because it's like if they're single, if they're in a relationship, it makes it different, I feel like. But if they're also single, then I feel like it's kind of like, not a good idea. This one is from Annie. She says, oh, where do I start? He told me within 10 minutes he wanted to meet my mom. Oh, I think they're British. So they could bond over the fact that they both have eczema. Okay. He called me posh because I went to uni.

uni would be totally British wait no I think they're British because if they say uni like that's totally like a British thing I paid my own way through with jobs so did not appreciate being told I was handed it on a plate on a plate he spent 30 minutes telling me how much he hates his job in a call center then he told me that we're hiring and if I got hired there he would get a bonus then he asked me to apply

What are these guys doing? Why are guys opening their mouth for kisses on the first date? Don't do that. That just makes me uncomfortable right now.

Encasing my mouth and his entirely. If you're encasing someone's mouth and yours, something's wrong. That's a word that you like. Encasing. Really? You say the word encasing a lot. When do I say the word encasing? I don't know. Frequently. I don't think I say the word encasing that much.

What an idiot. So many weird things. Dude. Saying that she was like handed her tuition on a silver plate. Jeez. Like...

Come on. On the first date, you're going to tell someone that their life circumstances were not because of their hard work. He wanted to meet with the mom over eczema. So many weird things. That is really weird. Oh, gosh. This one's quick, but it's disgusting. Oh, gosh. This is from Brooklyn. I went on a blind date with this dude and he picked his nose and he brought it off me. No. I'm going to vomit. There's very few things that gross me out more than...

the thought of eating boogers there was a girl that i sat next to in class in elementary school and she would do that and i didn't know what to do with myself like we were young kids too like we were in the third grade but like as a third grader i knew that that was a big no-no you know like why do you gotta okay it's one thing to pick your nose like you're gonna pick your nose do it in private wash your hands don't let anybody anybody see you but if you're gonna eat your boogers

Matt, something gross that you do. What? You will sneeze and you will leave snot and spit on your arm. I wipe it off you. Until you have a napkin. Okay, okay. But if you're driving, you'll just keep driving with your arm. Okay, Abby. With nasty stuff on it. If I'm driving, okay, first of all, I have a sneezing problem. I can't help it. When I sneeze, stuff comes out. Ew.

Every time. But if I'm driving, if I'm driving a car like I can't. What do you want me to do? Pull over and like wipe it off my arm. So like I eventually get to it. It's gross. Don't get me wrong. I don't like it. I'm not like maybe you should pull over, but I'm not going to crash the car to get, you know, some boogers off my arm. You know what I'm saying? That's that's really gross. It is gross. I'm sorry. Here's my question. How do you sneeze without anything coming out? Like when you sneeze, I just regularly blow my nose. Literally nothing comes out.

Because it's already blown. But like if I blow my nose, I just get like, it's almost like more comes after that. Like it's like I'm just starting this chain reaction of more and more coming to my nose if I blow my nose. Okay, this one's crazy. Went on a date with a guy. He wanted me to be his girlfriend after one date. When I said I needed more time to get to know him, he got really pushy. So I told him I thought it would be best if we just were friends.

He proceeded to follow me around at work. When I moved jobs, I didn't hear from him again. Fast forward 14 years, he was convicted of assaulting and then stalking an ex-girlfriend. Can you believe that? I clearly got a lucky escape. Jeez. This is from Sophie. I feel like...

I've never known anybody to get stalked or anything like that. I've never been around someone who's gone through that. So it almost feels like it's something from a movie. So to hear about it from someone who actually happened to them. That is so... That's creepy. Yeah. Because also I feel like stalking is something that's very hard to prove. And for him to actually get charged, it must have been extremely serious. Oh, totally. Yeah.

I've heard about girlfriends like calling their boyfriend like thousands of times in a day to a point where it's like considered harassment. There was one like crazy girlfriend that did that. I saw a news article about it. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I think I know which one to turn out. Okay, this one is from Alyssa. So I don't know if this counts as a date, but this was the first time sleeping over at my BF's parents' house, and I'm on my period. It was also the first time spending the night with my boyfriend. I came over, we eat dinner, and suddenly I noticed something on my chair cushion. Oh, no. I have bled through, and me, being the awkward 15-year-old I was...

Oh, gosh.

on it anyway we've been together for five years now and neither my bf me or my mother-in-law who had to clean their chairs has ever mentioned it we were they were sleeping over and she was 15 i do think that's very that's what stuck out to me i was like okay sleeping over and then it's like i'm 15 i'm like whoa that i feel like that's that's a little concerning it's a little concerning i'm glad i'm glad it all worked out but like yeah i don't think i would let if

I would definitely no no no no no no well we stayed at

each other's parents house as teenagers i mean we did i guess we slept in separate rooms or long long distance yeah i mean i was 18 you were 17 then you turned 18 while we were dating i mean you were i mean it's like i couldn't easily drive home if i had if my parents lived even 30 minutes away i would have been driving home totally but that's kind of weird that was like it's my first time spending the night and it's like 15 seems so young to me that's a child like i'm i'm about to turn 25 so i mean 15 is literally 10 years ago for me that's crazy

I guess it's so funny because I feel like every girl can relate to like obviously having an experience where you like bleed through. Yeah. But the fact that she continued to sit there and let it happen. Yikes.

You got to, like, how bad did it have to get before? Yeah, what did you do? One time that happened to you in school, right? Happened to me in eighth grade. And did you... In history class. Did you put on your PE clothes or what did you do? No, what I did was I pulled... This was the era where everyone was wearing those white camisoles under their shirt. Oh, yeah. Do you remember that? For, like, a layered look? Oh, yeah. I pulled my white cami, like, way down past my butt so, like, no one could see. I quickly wiped off the chair and then went to the bathroom. It was like a plastic chair. So it's not like it's a...

It didn't have any embroidery or fabric on it. No, it was like a wooden chair, honestly. Oh, okay. But I definitely just threw those jeans away and put on my PE shorts. That's not fun. I know. That stinks, especially to be young and you don't know when it's going to happen and then it just comes out of nowhere. Imagine having a daughter. You've got to be understanding. No, of course you have to be understanding, but it's like...

I can't even I think feel like it would be weird for a dad to talk to their daughter about that stuff. I think your dad was really uncomfortable to talk to you about it. Yeah, I forced him to talk about it. Didn't he just say like you're becoming a woman, Abby? Yeah, I think he did. And you just were like, okay. I think he didn't know what to say, but he felt like he should say something. Yeah. But I don't really remember. Yeah. But I would always like once I got in high school, I would just like make jokes about it and it would make him super uncomfortable.

I don't know. I'm not really afraid to have uncomfortable conversations, though. I guess you're right. I'm not scared to talk about that with our kids. Like when it comes to having to talk with our kids, we're just going to have it. And we're going to have it at a younger age because I want them to learn from us. No, but we'll have the talk when they bring it up.

True, but I want them to be informed and aware of things at an age-appropriate level. Well, actually, you know what? We shouldn't wait for them to bring it up. I agree. Because if they're bringing it up, I think that – yeah, if they're bringing it up, Abby, they've already heard. They've already heard about it. Exactly. So I think we need to bring it up at an age-appropriate level and explain to them the birds and the bees and all of that in an age-appropriate way. I don't want some classmate or some kid at –

the gym to be telling them about that stuff. - We can like literally, we can have the sex talk when they're five, but like in a way that's like very, very surface level. It does not go into detail. - Yeah. - And I don't know, we'll have to learn up on that. But I think waiting too long, they're definitely gonna learn it from their classmates. - You asked so many questions as a kid. - I did, I was very curious. - You know what's so sweet is that your mom said, you asked her the question

Did it hurt you? Yeah, I did say that. That's so, so awesome. Yeah, I was like, did it hurt? You were really thinking about so many details. I'm sure we're going to have curious boys too. Oh, we are. I'm sure our sons will be so curious. Even Griffin now going through all of our cabinets. I'm like, he wants to know where everything is. He's the most curious person I've ever been around in my whole entire life. When I'm chewing, he'll just like stare at my mouth trying to figure out what I'm doing. And especially with like where the internet's at now too. You're so right. Our kids will find out.

things about sex or whatever on the internet before us if we don't have an age-appropriate conversation. Also, if we don't have restrictions too on the amount of time they have on their iPad or computer or whatever it is and we just need to make sure that

They they're getting information from us and not not the world, not from their friends, not from their classmates. We want us to be the one to educate them. No, I totally think they can learn. It can get messy. You know, isn't it funny how like Mark Zuckerberg or me? I don't even know. But the people of these that have created these social media platforms, they're

like don't even let like don't even use them themselves well I barely even use it I have time don't let their kids have accounts I have restrictions on Instagram and TikTok like I literally go on to Instagram and TikTok just to make posts and then I get off of it I literally do like it's it's my job and then I get off and if I consume media I usually consume more YouTube because I feel like it's not as like dopamine inducing yeah because you just get like constant hits of dopamine on TikTok

I am glad that TikTok's moving towards a place where they're making longer videos. A lot of the videos now on TikTok are getting closer to like four and five minutes, which is cool. But I think it's scary when people just are watching quick video after quick video. And it's not, we don't really know what that does to your brain at this point. It's so new. Like never before in the history of the world have we ever had that. So like right now we don't really give Griffin screen time. If he's like on a plane or in the car and he's really upset, we'll let him look at his screen or we're trying to keep him awake.

so he can take a nap when we get home. But like we only usually just let him listen to it. And then if we're at home, he doesn't use anything with a screen. It's funny. It's like it's like his own personal podcast. We just play Miss Rachel and don't even show the screen. And he'll just he'll just chill out listening to Miss Rachel. He just likes to listen to music. Yeah. But if he is really worked up, we will give him the screen. I know technically you're probably not supposed to do that until they're one and a half. But when he's on a plane, we don't want to piss off the whole entire plane with a screaming baby. So...

Are you sure it's survival at that point? Yeah, it is survival. But when do you think you'd let Griffin have his own phone or would you ever let him have social media? That's a really good question. I think that my opinion on that, my opinion is going to change a lot as we get older. I think he'll be allowed screen time. I think that he'll be allowed using an iPad or computer or whatever it is, but I think it'll be monitored. I think we'll have to limit how much time he gets.

And I'm not against him getting to scroll on different social media apps as long as it's monitored. Not TikTok. Yeah, I mean, TikTok, there's no TikTok kids. Yeah, there's no guidelines. But I think it needs to be monitored and we need to be aware of what he's watching and look at his search history.

There's even ways to make it so that they can't delete their search histories that we're aware of like what they're consuming. Yeah, that's good. Because I was talking to this mom earlier this week and she has a kid literally the same age as Griffin. She said she wasn't going to give him a smartphone until he's 18. Wow. See, okay. I would disagree with that though. Because as a kid, I learned so much.

so much on YouTube. I learned how to edit videos on YouTube. I became very passionate about video production as a young kid because I could just go on YouTube and learn from professionals and buy the professional software. And I just, I excelled in that space because of YouTube. And I know that TikTok and YouTube and other platforms have educational material for kids. So I think just to blank, I think you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater if you just say, oh, none of it. I hate when you say that phrase.

That phrase. Well, I think it's true, though. I think if you just completely get rid of everything, then it's...

Then you lose the good with the bad, right? Yeah. It's like hand sanitizer. If you don't wash, if you put on hand sanitizer instead of hand washing your hands, hand sanitizer kills the good germs that are good on your hands. Did you know that? Like when you wash your hands, it only kills the bad germs. What good germs could possibly be on your hands? Maybe I'm not using the right term. Maybe there's not a such thing as good germs, but I've always been told that, that when you use hand sanitizer, it kills the good stuff too, along with the bad. Interesting. Yeah. Where have we gone?

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And that's just how it is. And it's like we're hanging out with you guys. So I think that's fun. Yeah. Yeah. And I like to hang out with you too. It's fun to have these conversations and... Slow down. Yeah, definitely slow down. So... Well, thank you guys so much. And we'll see you next week. As always, three, two, one. Peace out, dudes.