Shawn and Andrew on Their Biggest Fight, Meeting Donald Trump & Winning Gold at the Olympics
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What is that like to win gold at the Olympics? Winning a gold medal is really cool, but it's a tiny moment. The 16 years that it took to get there is so much more valuable than the medal. I got a call from Donald Trump to do The Apprentice. What? Would you have ever thought being on that show that Donald Trump would one day be president? Like, how trippy is that? It was wild. This is the single biggest argument in our relationship. What is it? You've never talked about this. Wait, this is actually the biggest argument that you have in your relationship? Legitimately. All right, let me tell a story.

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Today we have some very special guests. We have Sean Johnson East. And Andrew East. Nice. And we're so happy to have you guys here. I can't believe we're in Nashville. This is cool. Welcome to town. This is very exciting. Good to have you. And I'm like, I was doing some research on you guys. I didn't quite understand like the accomplishments you guys have had in the past, but like. You guys have done some amazing things. Yeah. You were in the NFL. Okay. Andrew was in the NFL. Sean.

Sean is a has multiple gold medals in the Olympics as an accomplished gymnast. Well, I definitely knew that. I grew up watching her. That's so cool. That's really, really cool. Thank you. Yeah. You guys are cool people. I'm like, I just have so many questions. I'm excited to talk to you guys. This is cool. We literally just came in their house like an hour ago. So this is awesome.

It's good to meet you in person. It's fun. I knew from the first time we talked to you guys that we'd get along, and here we are. I feel like you and Matt have very similar energies. In fact, from behind, you guys look a lot alike. Are you guys the same height? Yeah. 6'2"? 6'2". That's what we were talking about on the way here. We're both height difference couples, but your guys' height difference is...

little bit more. Yeah, how tall are you? 4'11". 4'11" to 6'2"? How tall are you? 5'2". Yeah, Abby's 5'2". Yeah, we were also talking about that. I feel like you guys are a lot alike too. Like from what I've gathered, it seems like you guys have a lot in common. Except I'm not a US gold medalist in the Olympics. But you, okay, I feel like you could have been a gymnast, Abby. Like your build, I feel like you have the gymnast build, I think.

Well, thank you. I don't know. You went the theater route instead, though? Yes. It's a different vibe. Well, unsuccessfully, but yes. Different vibe for sure. Different vibe. Yeah, well, I'm just so excited to talk to you guys. How did you guys meet, by the way? I don't know if we've ever talked about that before. We were on your podcast last year, and I'm so stoked that now you're on ours. Yeah. We met. I went to the 2012 Olympics to work.

And found myself at a cycling event where I met one of the USA cyclists. His name is Guy East. We were talking. He was explaining the event. He was explaining how it worked. And at the end of it, he was like, if you take anything away from our conversation, it's that I want you to meet my younger brother. And I was like, okay, this is never going to happen. We flew back to the US and he had like connected us. And randomly we went on a blind date and kind of...

Kind of the rest is history. Wait, what? So I actually had, I was like anti-social media at this point. Which is comical. I formed a Twitter account to slide in her DMs and then I got her number and then we arranged this blind date. Yep. It wasn't really a blind date, but it was like you had no idea. It was a blind date in the sense of like I had never seen you. Yeah. We'd never FaceTimed or anything. It was just like.

Was it a little awkward? Very. I was having the best night of my life. Dude, we went out to LA and we had this, we ate at like seven different restaurants and I had like an entree meal at every single place. I was crushing food cause I was like in the middle of football season. Yeah. And I was, dude, I was like cracking jokes left and right. I thought I was hilarious. And Sean didn't even, she was just stonewalling me. Like didn't get a smile until the very end of the night.

I lived by myself in Los Angeles. I didn't trust anybody. I felt like everybody had a motive or an intention. And I just kept trying to figure out what his game was because he was so nerdy and quirky and weird. And I was like, what is this? Yeah. And it wasn't until like the very end of the night. He did something. And I literally had this glimpse of like, I think this is actually just him. Yeah.

And it was ridiculous. And I was like, it's not a facade. So you almost had this wall up because I'm assuming like being an accomplished gymnast, having all the success at a young age, there are probably people that just wanted to take advantage of you or just wanted to be your friend because you had won gold medals. Like what was that like living in L.A.? Like you're not from L.A.? Not from L.A. I'm from Des Moines, Iowa. And after the Olympics in 2008, I had then gone on Dancing with the Stars twice. I was back on Dancing with the Stars while I was in L.A.,

And going on like dates was not something I really did. And if I did go on a date, it was because someone knew someone knew someone and could vouch for them. Yeah. And how old were you at this point? 20. Okay. And I didn't really have that with Andrew. I had met his brother, but I had just met him at the Olympics. So I didn't know who this guy was and I didn't have like a team to vouch for him. So I was like, I just don't know what you're about. But...

Sean's been through a lot. Sean's been in the limelight for a long time. She's had like the stalker issues. She's done. I mean, she's been in the game like since she was 12. Yeah. Well, I.

That's a long time. And I don't want to go down the rabbit hole, but you have to think the more you get to know Andrew, he's just quirky and unapologetically himself. I'm going to say yeah to that. He doesn't. Sorry. Sorry. Every once in a while, he'll do something that's like socially not acceptable, but it's just him. Yeah. So that night we went on this date. That's kind of mad. Yeah. I do some weird stuff sometimes. I'm sorry. So we were like on this date and it,

It just so happened to be his 21st birthday. Don't know how that happened. Wait, what? On our first date, it was my 18th birthday. Really? No, that was our first date and that was our first kiss and it was like my first time kissing a girl and it was magical. Wow. That's adorable. Sean didn't let me kiss her though. No. Ours isn't a difference. Did you try to? But it was his 21st birthday and he's like, I'm a college football player and telling me all these things, which...

I did not. No, but you were saying you're like, I'm a college football player. And I had met college football players before. There's like a very stereotypical like image that comes with that. And he's like, I've never had a drink in my life. And I was like, what? I don't trust you. Like, I don't understand. So then he like,

starts to drink and never like gets drunk by the drinks and I'm like I this isn't making sense wait wait you just said that you had never had a drink in your life you had your first alcoholic beverage yeah but then I didn't so I was like watching him drink it was weird hold on hold on now knowing Sean she took this as a challenge of like oh this is your 21st birthday like game on

I'm going to make this a whatever. She was like a challenge for her. So she was ordering drinks throughout the night. Oh yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so that was the first time I'm drinking, but like watching. And then at the end of the night,

You were ordering drinks and you were 20? There was technically four of us because that sounds sketchy. There was technically four of us. It was me, my girlfriend who was like, I needed someone to go with me. I couldn't do this solo. Him and his brother that I had met. My girlfriend was 25. So she's the one that was like ordering. Not for me. I wasn't drinking. I was literally in the middle of Dancing with the Stars. I would never have. But like at the end of the night when like we were wrapping things up,

I was like trying to be nice because he was like visiting in Los Angeles. He didn't have a car, anything. And I was like, okay, so can me and Shannon, my girlfriend, drive you back to your hotel? Like we'll drop you guys off. And I was just trying to be nice. And this is just Andrew now that I know him. And he's like, oh, we don't have a place to stay.

And I was like, oh, okay. We're sleeping in our car. That was a plan. Like the normal person would have been like, sure. Either no, we're good. Or you can drop me off somewhere. But he's like, we don't have a place to stay. And then just like period. And I was like, okay, what are your plans? He's like, we're just going to sleep in our car. And I was like, that's weird. We're simple people. And then I shouldn't have done this, but I felt like pressured to a certain extent. I was like, we have a spare. And it was like by the time.

even get the sentence out like yeah yeah yeah i'm gonna get murdered in the middle of the night no first kiss but you got it to sleep over the first day that's right that's right wow being my girlfriend she stayed with me we went to the upstairs bedroom and we pushed the dresser against our door because i was so like i was so nervous but you woke up to a poem i wrote you a poem i woke up you guys had cleaned the apartment you've written a poem on the whiteboard

And I was like, I don't understand what's happening. It's so embarrassing to... So you had your first drink on your first date? And you spent the night on your first date. That's right. But in the downstairs area and then she put a dresser for the door. Very romantic. Other than that, it was great. That sounds like an amazing first experience. And then it took him nine months to convince me to go on a second date. What? Where I finally agreed. I flew out to Nashville. I met him.

And within the first 24 hours, I called my mom and I was like, I feel like I'm married to this guy. It was adorable. You redeemed yourself.

Thank you. You're welcome. It's been a fun ride. That is a crazy story. Okay. I did not know it was going to be that complex when I asked how you guys were doing. Yeah. That's cool. But your brother was in the Olympics? I'm the worst athlete in my family. No, you're not. He's a really good cyclist. Wow. He was like Lance's right hand. You know what a velodrome is? Like track cycling? No. You should check this out. It's like a super steep bank. You can get up to 40 plus miles an hour on a bike just whipping around in the sink. Whoa. Yeah. Whoa. Whoa.

and your brother was just like, "Yeah, we'll just go to LA and sleep in our car." Like that was the-- - Yeah. - Was that your idea or his idea? - It's an East thing. It's an East thing. - Dude, at this time I was in college, I literally had one outfit that I was wearing. I just like, I had dreadlocks back in the day. - Not on our first date. - I was living it up, dude, yeah. - We need a picture of you in dreadlocks. - I have a picture of you in dreadlocks. - He flew into the LA airport

hopped over walked to like the Hampton Inn next door and changed in a bush behind the hotel and this is your knight in shining armor yes yes that's hilarious enough about me seriously thank you so much we should talk about your Stanton Olympics I feel like it'd be wrong not to yeah sure

What the, like, how does that even work? Are you busting, I'm guessing you're working really, really hard at a young age to do that, right? Extremely young. People start at 12. People are under the age of 18, right? I'm not, I'm not like super educated on this Olympic thing, but like people are in the Olympics winning gold medals under 18. And did you win gold under 18? At 16, yeah. Wow. So I started gymnastics when I was three. It was just like something my parents put me in. It's one of the first things you can do as a kid.

And it's like a padded playground. So they loved it. I loved it. Fell in love with it and just continue doing it. I did a ton of other sports growing up, played soccer, swam, danced, all these things.

But as each sport or activity became more and more time consuming, I kind of had to weed things out. And gymnastics was last man standing. I made the USA team at 12 and started traveling internationally and went professional at 12. Made the Olympic. Yeah. Wow. Yep. We would all go down to Houston. That's where like the team was based out of. But I would train in Iowa and train in Houston for a week every month to like reunify with the team. Yeah.

Made the Olympic team at 16. Went to the Beijing Olympics and won four medals. That's incredible. Yeah, it was amazing. Holy crap. So no one else in your family had done anything like this? No, my parents were athletic. They did a ton of sports, but...

Yeah, that was out of the norm. Okay, your parents must have had to have so much commitment to get you to all these practices and the training. Like, was your mom just like traveling with you all over the country? Like, how did this work? They never missed a single competition. And blue collar, Midwest...

Took out three mortgages, worked multiple jobs. They were like the opposite of stage parents. Every single day I came home from a five-hour practice, they'd be like, are you really sure you want to go back tomorrow? Like, we're fine if you want to quit. Like, please quit. Wow. They really wanted me to be just like a normal kid that was at home. Yeah. And...

Every day I would just beg to go back. You're just naturally very driven person. I don't even know if it was that. I just, I loved it so much. I was such a self-conscious, like timid kid, shy kid. And the only time I felt...

or felt like I had confidence was in a gymnastics gym. Like it made me feel like I could fly. It made me feel superhuman. And I loved that. - Did you like the competition of like seeing how far you could push yourself and how much you could accomplish if you kept working and working? - Yes, I loved training more than competition. Competition, like the nerves and stuff was always fun and exhilarating, but not what I lived for. I lived for the challenge in practice every day of trying a death defying skill and getting that for the first time

is like an adrenaline rush you can never replace. You must have had some crazy injuries throughout this process. I was very, very lucky. I had one of the world's best, I think he's the world's best coach, who was the most cautious, most amazing coach ever. And in gymnastics, I had a couple of small sprains, but that's it. Wow. That's pretty incredible. Yeah. Didn't you see what these gymnasts are doing? It was like you could break anything.

Everything. Yep. And 12, is that a typical age for kids to get on the Olympic team? 12 for the Olympic team, no. I made the USA team, which is like the national team. Okay. So you can't qualify to the Olympics until you're 16. Okay. But making the team at 12 is fairly young. I'd say in gymnastics around 13, 14 is usually normal. Okay. It's because of like the way my birthday fell.

It's kind of like if your kid is a young kid in class or an old kid in class. By cut off of age limits, I was just a young kid. Yeah. So it was a little early, but kind of normal for gymnastics. I can't even imagine what it's like to attempt one of those tricks. Is that what they're even called? Yeah. Like for the first time?

Yes, people always say this, but to explain it a little differently is you're not walking into the gym and your coach is like, let's try a triple twisting double back today. You it takes years and years and years and years to try one thing. So like you would walk into the gym tomorrow and I would teach you how to walk in a straight line basically.

And then you would progress that to like walking sideways. And then you would walk and spin. Like every single day is a tiny little progression. So by the time you're throwing a death-defying skill, it's still exhilarating because like you're doing it for the first time. But you've done these little progressive movements over the course of months, years that you've like developed that it's not quite as scary as people think.

But it's just fun. That being said, I would love to take you to the gym tomorrow and see a triple twisting double backflip from you. I would like to try it. I will say one day Matt was like, I'm going to learn how to do a backflip. No, actually I learned how to do one last year, a backflip. It's so much fun. Good for you. I haven't done it in a year though, so we should try it out. Well, you crashed and burned multiple times and then you just didn't. Wow. What is that like to win gold at the Olympics? Does it feel like a long time ago?

- It feels like someone else and it feels like yesterday. Now that I'm mom and I'm in a different role, it's hard to believe. We have our 15 year reunion this year and I'm like, wait, I forgot I did that. For me it was such a, it was just a passion. And so the medal, though it was so incredibly fulfilling to a certain extent, the experience was so much better. The 16 years that it took to get there,

is so much more valuable than like the medal yeah because like winning a gold medal is really cool but it's a tiny moment

Was there ever a moment afterward where you're like, oh, like I did it. Like, was there ever an identity crisis of I freaking won a gold medal. Now what do I do? Yes. And it's very hard. And a lot of athletes really struggle with it. I feel like Andrew went through it too after the NFL. Every single decision I made for probably a solid six years was

Probably 10 to like 16. Every single decision I made on a daily basis revolved around gymnastics. How I ate, what time I went to bed, how I scheduled my social life, like everything about who I was as a person was revolving around gymnastics and the goal of making it to the Olympics.

And so as soon as I was at the Olympics and I had the medal and it was done, I didn't know how to operate as a human being. I didn't know how to eat. Like, I literally didn't know how to sit down and eat a meal because I was like, wait, I no longer have to eat a salad with chicken and quinoa and like all these things. Can I actually go eat that brownie and that be my whole dinner? Like, it was very confusing. I didn't know what time to wake up in the morning.

I'd never been in like a fitness gym before. I'd only ever been in gymnastics gym. I didn't know like how to work out. I didn't have a coach telling me how to like be a person. And were you still attending high school like a regular kid at this time? How did that work? So I did public school all the way through my junior year.

my junior year was the Olympics. Um, I couldn't go back for my senior year just because of the chaos that kind of came with it. High school kids didn't really know how to be chill. Were they mean or were they like to like, Whoa, it's like, it's Sean Johnson. She's the gold medalist. Like how, how did they perceive all that? I,

Going back to when I was saying, like, I was very shy. Because I went to public school, nobody knew I was a gymnast. Like, I was very shy to share that. Yeah. So at school, I was just a normal kid. I always, like, compared myself to, like, Hannah Montana. I was like, people don't know at all what I'm doing on, like, the side. Just a way worse singer. Way worse. Way worse. Um...

And so when the Olympics happened and all the notoriety that came after that, I tried to go back to school.

And it just became such a distraction for a lot of people. And I don't say that to like hype myself up at all. It was just wild. And so I ended up having to tutor my last year to finish. Was that upsetting or were you kind of chill with the whole tutoring thing and not having to? Oh, it was actually really upsetting for me. I loved school. I was a school nerd. Yeah. So yeah, not being able to like walk through graduation and stuff was like devastating to me.

Oh, that's too bad. It's okay. Wait, that's so sad. So then how did you... No, no, it's fine. Did you have like a graduation ceremony at home? No, I got my GED. Oh, my God.

Wait, what? That was, oh, yeah. You've never talked about this. We don't ever have to talk about that. We don't ever have to talk about that. This is the single biggest argument in our relationship. What is it? What is it? I'll let you tell a story because I don't, you've never talked about this. Oh, how can I make this like a two minute? Wait, this is actually the biggest argument that you have in your relationship. Legitimately. All right, let me tell a story shortly. All right, so Sean had always said like, I want to get a high school diploma. Like she loves education. She enrolled at Vanderbilt University.

She enrolled at Penn State and was trying to get her college degree, but she was like, I still haven't finished high school. Wait, no, there's an asterisk there. I finished high school. All right, you tell the story. Hold on. No, because we're missing... This is... I'm very stubborn by nature. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. So after the Olympics, I came back, couldn't go back to high school, enrolled in a tutoring program, finished high school. And at the end of this tutoring program, they were like, do you want to buy a diploma? And I was like, what is the point? Like...

Like it's not my high school diploma. I'm not walking through graduation. And I was like, as long as I don't need like a piece of paper, I'm good. So like I literally finished high school. At this time, I was enrolled at Stanford University.

What? What? That's so cool. After the Olympics, and because of everything that happened, I kept deferring because I was working and doing a different route. I deferred long enough and met Andrew that I then wanted to go to Vanderbilt. I was following him. So I went to apply to Vanderbilt, and they're like, we need your high school diploma.

And I was like, oh, I don't have one. But I finished high school through this program. They said, okay, just like send your records from the program. I call the program and they have ceased to exist. They shut down. They have deleted and burnt records that they ever had. You're not going to believe this. So you literally don't have any proof of finishing high school. No. So by paperwork, I was a junior in high school. And I was such a nerd in school that this like,

rocked my world because Vanderbilt University was like you need to go get your GED and I was like never in a million years will I go get my GED wait I just yeah because I

in my mind, I was like, I am an A plus student. I have a 4.2. Like, no, I'm not going to go get my GED. I was just being stubborn. So anyway, she just telling me all this and I'm like, all right, sweet. Let's sign you up for the GED. We put it on the schedule. Day comes around. She's like, I don't want to do it. So then I'm like, all right, I'm going to reschedule this. And you look me in the eyes and tell me that you're going to do this.

Never studied. We're like a year in the dating. Never studied. And she says, I'm going to do it. So then two months goes by. Day of the test comes. We had to drive an hour south to Huntsville. I wake up at like 4 a.m. I'm like, Sean, we're going to get our GED. That's like, I haven't studied. I'm not going. I'm not going. And I was like, you're going.

Because I know you. So it was this. I literally drug her out the door. Yeah. You basically threw me over a shoulder. Put her in the car. And she didn't talk to me for the entire trip. Didn't talk to me for the whole time we were down in Huntsville until we got a test result and she passed. I was so mad at you. I came out of the building. I hadn't studied for it because I was being so stubborn. And I was like, I'm going to go freaking fail this GED. I'm going to fail it.

And I literally walk out and he has the biggest smirk on his face. And I was so mad at you. And he's like, should we like log into your account and see if your results are in? I was like, there's no way the results are already. And I hadn't known that he had hacked my profile.

And he had already looked at the results. No. So fast. Evidently. Because it's all online. You're doing A, B, C, D, whatever. And he's like, well, here. And he hands me the phone and it shows the passing. And I was like, I could kill you right now. But guess what? You're really glad that I made you do that.

I'm sweating thinking about this. We were so mad at you. I heard that we'll find out that Sean Johnson never graduated high school. Yeah. That's crazy. Did you go to Vanderbilt after that? Oh, gosh. So, I got into Vandy. Okay. It was like a week before I was supposed to start. I got a call from Donald Trump to do The Apprentice. What? What? I feel like you're...

What? Yeah. This is like a movie, you guys. This is literally like a movie. You're telling me you answered the phone and it's Donald Trump. It actually was. Literally Donald Trump is on the phone like, I want you to be on my TV show. It does every time. Yes. Yes. That is crazy. What is The Apprentice, by the way? I don't even... So The Apprentice is a reality TV show where think of like Dancing with the Stars, how it's a competition. You have all these celebrities competing, but it's an entrepreneur show.

So you go and you like start businesses and you're competing for like a business title. Okay. And it's led by Donald Trump. Like, have you ever heard like that? You're fired? Yes. I've heard of The Apprentice. I just had no clue what it was. That's like when I first heard of Trump, I was like, oh, that's that one like TV show guy. Yeah. He literally...

It was weird. It was weird. And at that time, this was pre-COVID. Yeah, yeah, yeah. At this time, it was pre-COVID. So Vandy didn't have any virtual programs. Zero. Really? At all. And they said, you either have to be in class on campus or you have to transfer. So I ended up transferring to the only virtual campus at the time, which was Penn State, and did The Apprentice and Set. And this is back in 2000 what? Yeah.

14, I think. And then that season aired 2015. It was the last season of The Apprentice. That's crazy. What was that like? I didn't even know that, honestly. Would you have ever thought being on that show that Donald Trump would one day be president? How trippy is that? It was wild. It was wild. It was a lot of fun. It was definitely the most truly reality TV show vibe that I had ever been in. So they wanted drama. They wanted tension. They wanted manipulation and stuff.

And I think coming from the athletic world, there isn't any of that. Yeah. So that was really hard for me. But I loved the challenge of like going into the business world, which is cool. That's really scary about reality TV. Like somebody else controlling the narrative, they can just make you look like a villain just for good TV. And they can make you say anything. Right? Because they have so much footage of you. They can take whatever and package it up, right? Or they could even... We would sit in a chair like this for hours and just do interviews.

and then you would watch it back and you'd be like, I never said that sentence. Wait, wait, what? Yeah, it's wild. What's that called? There's some sort of technique to it, right, where they take your words and like piece them together to make you say something. That's scary because you sign like your life effectively, right, when you sign that paper for the reality TV show. Yeah. Crazy. That's crazy. You've done so many crazy things. I know you have too. Yeah. So talk about the NFL. Yeah, the NFL.

It was fun. Yeah, my list of accomplishments is much shorter than Sean's. But actually, my favorite thing she ever did was Whose Line Is It Anyway? That was cool. Do you remember the show, dude? Yes. That was fun. It was my favorite show. How many shows have you done? A lot. That's cool. Do you like doing shows? Yeah. There have been some that I liked more than others. Is there a show that you haven't done that you want to do right now? We want to do The Amazing Race.

So do we. Don't tease me. So do we. Don't tease me. Wouldn't that be such a blast? We have a lot to do. We should compete. You guys would win. Yeah. We compete. We compete against you guys. And lose. I think you guys would have, I think they would say the same thing. What I love about what we do now is, I feel like it would be so bad for my ego if it was just the Andrew show. But what's fun is like,

I always thought when I made it to NFL that people would be like, sweet, this guy's an NFL player. You're a big deal. Yeah. I made it to NFL and there's like, oh, you're a Mr. Sean Johnson. Right. And I was like, yeah, initially I'm like, dang. No, but, but honestly it's been such a blessing. It's been so good. Uh, otherwise I'd probably have a massive head. So do you guys ever get competitive in your marriage since you're both competitive people? Oh, you do everything.

Yeah, it's kind of a fun thing. It used to probably be unhealthy to some degree, but now it's kind of fun. Before kids, when all we had was energy towards each other, we were competitive with everything. Everything. Now, it's definitely died down because of the kids, but yes. We have a fun time. That's kind of fun. We're literally not... Why aren't we competitive? No, I'm competitive. You're not competitive at all. I'm the most competitive person in the world. I'm the... I miss this participation prize. I'm like, everybody...

Like every night after dinner, we would go outside and play like cornhole or ping pong or something. But we would end up playing for hours because it'd be like rematches of like, no, no, no. You won that one. I will win this one. And then it would end up being like best out of 20 or it was what? You never did sports? No. I mean, I did as a kid. And you're like that. That's hilarious because you're an NFL athlete and an Olympian. So it's like, of course, you guys are going to really butt heads trying to compete against each other.

- Yeah, I didn't really do sports. - But the NFL, so how does that work exactly? Did you get drafted out of college? Did you go, is it called being a free agent if you end up just sending it on your own? How did all that work? - Yeah, so I played football at Vanderbilt, which is how that whole exchange happened. Went to business school there, I was in my MBA. - He's very smart. - And then I get a call and like,

I don't know how they came up with this ranking because my position, which was a long snapper, is like – it's not like a quarterback where it's like, well, his passer –

pass completion rate was really high or he like had a lot of rushing yards. It's like, you know, he was kind of accurate. It's hard to quantify. It's very niche. Yeah. My brother actually was a long snapper in college. Oh my gosh. My older brother, his freshman year of college was a long snapper for Missouri S&T and Rolla, Missouri. My mom went to school. My grandpa went to school there. And my mom was so pumped that he was like continuing on the family legacy and going to school there. And then he transferred to be at Mizzou with his girlfriend.

And stop football. But yeah, when you said long snapper, I was like, that's dope. I know about that. So you know a little about it. It's hard to rank, right? But they had me ranked as the number one long snapper in my class. So I was getting calls from the Patriots and coaches were coming to visit and

It was sweet. It felt like a dream was coming true. And I was being told that I was going to be drafted. Draft day comes and goes and no one picked me up. I didn't get any calls. So then I go on the free agency circuit, which is essentially like I get offers from different teams. Patriots say, hey, we'll pay you $5,000 to come try out with us, sign with us and see how far you make it. And the Chiefs was the most compelling situation. So that's who I first signed with at a free agency.

And pretty much the job was mine, dude. It was just like, don't mess it up, Andrew, and you'll be here for 15 years. Because long snappers play a long time in the NFL. The turnover is very low. But they had an opening, and I showed up. And I just had this crazy mental...

where I couldn't do what I'd done for the last 15 years. Like I was terrible at long snapping when I showed up in Kansas City. And it was crazy because this was right when Sean and I were about to get engaged. We were having all these conversations. I had a signing bonus, right? And I spent every dime of that signing bonus on her

on her engagement ring. Little did I know about taxes or any of this stuff. So I got cut and I had signed a three year, like just shy of $1.5 million contract. And I was like, sick. I didn't know how the thing worked, like all the stipulations. So I got cut after three months and like not that much money. And so then we're like,

I'm like in the red. I have negative dollars in my bank account because I just purchased his ring and I had to pay taxes. It is like this crazy stressful situation. Wait, how much is this ring? Wait, wait, $1.5 million ring? No, no, no. That's what I'm saying. The NFL contracts are not guaranteed. No. Or at least in my position, right? So it was supposed to be three years, $1.5 million. I got three months and like not even a percentage of that. It was crazy. Yeah.

That's ultimately what forced me to figure out something else in life. Yeah. Which I signed up to be an Uber driver. I sat on the couch for like two months at home. And then we signed up. Like I started. His MBA from Vanderbilt. And he signed up to be an Uber driver. Yeah, we're engaged. I was like, babe.

Yeah. We're going to see what's like an identity crisis in a way. You're like, what am I? What should I do? Cause like, yeah, I'm, I'm assuming you worked your whole life at football. Yeah. And then it didn't work out. Yes. And you're like, frick, like what, what's next? It was not a good time. It's funny you say that. Cause like, I, I've never been officially diagnosed, but like, I, I get like social anxiety and I'll get like anxiety for different things. But, um, the way that you said you almost like, I guess panicked in a way with, uh, you're,

that whole tryout with the Chiefs. Like, there's been times even as I got deeper and deeper into theater, like, I cared about it so much. I wanted to be, like, so, so good and I put so much pressure on myself that I'd get, like, really, really nervous because I just had all this pressure there and I really wanted to succeed and it seems like that's what you wanted. It seems like you really wanted it and that almost, like, was...

What kept you from doing what you wanted? It's crazy. Here's what I love about marriage and parenting is the parallel lessons that it teaches you, the carryover lessons that it teaches you about other parts of life, right? And so like with parenting, you watch Griffin crawl around and you're like, you're so stressed, but you know it's probably better to just let him figure things out, right? Like you want to be closed-fisted, like really control-oriented, but it's probably healthier to...

to have like a little like open-handed mindset if you will if you're tracking me in the NFL dude I went from like oh I love football in college I had a blast dude I was like just loving it yeah and then it was like stressed and I was like I have to make this work I need to make this work I don't have any other job lined up like this is my only money and it was just like this really I like

down. And it was, dude, so Andy Reid is a coach there. Yeah. We would have these team meetings with like 100 players in the room, all the coaches. He would walk in. Everyone's quiet. I've never experienced this in my life. And I rarely cuss. But I would literally have to bite my tongue to prevent myself from like

Yelling out the f-word. It was like this crazy impulse really I was like what the hi I felt that before - you think about some crazy thought like something that's just like not you It's not you and and you're like why am I thinking that right now? Yeah, you can't get it out. Yeah, like you can't yeah, I couldn't move past it So anyway, it was like there's really I'm really glad I went through it. It was very painful in the moment Like yeah, I was crying when I got released. I just felt like there's no self-worth but I

now it's just like, okay, that put me on a different path. And as long as I keep chugging along, like it's going to be okay. Things are going to work out. So yeah. 100%. Yeah.

That's crazy. Thanks for being vulnerable and sharing that. I'm also curious, if you don't mind me asking, I was looking, I was doing some snooping at your, just what's on the internet about you, honestly. And it showed a bunch of different teams. It was like the Kansas City Chiefs, and then it showed the Washington Redskins? That's what they used to be called. They used to be called, now they're the Washington Commanders. But yeah, it showed all these different teams. And did something happen, I guess, after the Chiefs where you were like...

Trying things out with different teams and it didn't work or how did that so I was really fortunate to be like I kept getting signed Okay, I was like signing contracts and each one was like three years, you know, one and a half million dollars, whatever Yeah, but like I said, it's not guaranteed So I was good enough to not just get tryouts not just get calls I was like literally signing with teams and I end up signing nine contracts with seven different professional teams and

But I kept getting released. So like camp comes around. You've heard of hard knocks probably. So it's like, it's all about making an NFL team. And so they'll sign like 90 guys to a roster. So 90 guys will get a contract. Okay. And then they'll have to whittle it down in August and September to 53 is what, is what each team has to walk into the season with. And I would always get cut. So they basically like rip up 37 contracts every, every year.

But you still got that money though, right? No. Nothing? You don't get anything. They pay you like a couple hundred dollars a week to do the workouts, but it's like, it's not paying. And you have to, yeah. You have to put all your eggs in that basket too. That seems so wrong. That seems so wrong to like, just here's a couple hundred bucks. Thanks for like giving up your whole life to try to make it on our team. I mean, it's like,

It's an opportunity. It's a window you have for a very small amount of time. Some people are able to have a longer runway and keep trying. So I ended up, because of what we got into with YouTube, I was able to keep trying for the NFL for five years. And I was making videos about getting signed and getting cut. That was what our content was about. And then after five years, I finally...

signed with the team and played in my first regular season game. That's sick. It was always my goal. And so it worked out. It was fun. Which team was that? That was with Washington. Nice. Yeah. I was out there with like Adrian Peterson and Vernon Davis. And I was like, Oh my gosh, are you serious? Okay. I just have to ask. Cause when you look at a football team, bro, like everyone is huge. Everyone's massive. I don't know if you've been next to like,

J.J. Watt but these guys are like huge dudes and you're obviously you're a big like you're very fit you're a big dude but like being out there with like dudes that are like almost seven feet tall like 300 pounds like just you

you know, no fat, all muscle. Was that like terrifying? Like, I hope they don't tackle me. And I don't know. Uh, you, I got used to it. Like after a while, cause like you're doing it in college and the pros, but I'll never forget. My first play was against this guy, uh, Kalias Campbell. And this dude, look him up. He's like six foot five or six, 300 and something pounds. And he runs like a four, four, six 40. He's like a freak dude. And I go out there, he's lined up against me. And I'm like, I have to block you.

So I was like, I'll just give it my best. And it worked out all right. But it is fun. Wow. There's some good athletes in the NFL. Wow. That's cool. I am not one.

Yes, you are. To make it that far is incredibly impressive. It's a fun ride. Yeah. You guys go from these crazy athletic careers, and now you're in full-blown mom and dad life. The best phase. It is the best. You have a sweet little girl. How old? Three. Three, and then a little boy that's almost two. Yeah, he'll be two in July. Sorry. Two in July. Yeah.

Which Griffin will be one then. So do you ever feel like you want a little gymnast and a little football player? It's not up to us. What made both of us like fall in love with our sports was the fact that like we found it and we loved it so much. So I truly feel like, and we talk about this a lot. It's our job now as parents having experienced that and,

to try and give our kids every opportunity to find their thing. That's cool. I could care less if it's gymnastics. I lived that life for so long. I'm ready to put that behind me. If nobody ever wants to like watch a single gymnastics competition for the rest of my life, I'll be happy.

If that's what they choose, though, I'll be their number one fan. That's a really healthy perspective on it. It also scares us. We've talked about this a lot. If they choose gymnastics or football, because they feel like they'll have...

fair expectations put on them to be good at it. Yeah. Where no kid should have that expectation put on them. They should be able to be miserably horrible at something. Youth sports are crazy. So like, uh, gymnastics specifically, I feel like Sean wins a gold medal in the Olympics. Right. And her gyms in Des Moines, Iowa, like there's not a lot of gymnast training there at a high level. Right. Yeah. She wins this and everyone's like, Oh, we need to,

We need to train under Sean's coach. So people move across the country to put their 12-year-old daughter in the same program as Sean was. I didn't even think of that stuff. That's crazy. But it's like pretty... People put a lot of stress on their little kids to try to get a college scholarship or go pro. And it's like, whoa, that's crazy. That's not my... I've seen that. Yeah. The greatest thing you can do for a kid in athletics, I think, or in any hobby or sport or thing that they fall in love with is try to like...

grow their passion. It has nothing to do with you. The thing that I see in parents a lot is like parents desperately want their kids to succeed. So they're like, if I can find you a better coach, if I can get you better time, if I can find a better gym, find a better opportunity. And that has nothing to do with it. As a parent, you have to allow your kid to fall in love with something.

and you have to let it be their choice. - It's like that same desperation mindset. - Yeah. - Like, whoa, don't force it, man. Don't. - Yeah. - It's okay. - Well, she's three now. Is she in gymnastics classes? - She is. - She loves it. - She loves it. - I was so terrified, especially with our first, to let her kind of do her first thing by herself.

I was terrified to put her in the hands of someone else. Just like everything. Yeah, because you could have been her coach, right? Oh, never. I will never coach my kids. I always want to be mom. But we have... There's this gymnastics gym in Nashville that we love. And we're really close with the owners. And...

I just knew that they would take care of her. And so we kind of started her there as her first activity. And yes, it was gymnastics, but she loves it. She has a blast there. She gets to go be a kid and play around. It's fun. She does that, soccer, ballet. Yeah. I feel like they have to be such athletic little kids. I mean, we were talking earlier about them walking at like eight months. Yeah. Incredible. Yeah. They're just born athletes. That's really crazy.

It's stressful to be honest, having a little eight month old tearing up your house. That's our little boy jet. I can't wait to see what he turns into. And how do you guys navigate that to like doing social media? How do you navigate being parents and also being online and like navigating what you show, what you don't show? Like, talk to me about that. It's a day by day decision. Um, we've kind of put in place some boundaries throughout the years of like what we're comfortable with and not everything has to be from a parent's perspective. It can't be about our kids. Um,

So our kids can't be like the forefront of our stuff. If they say tomorrow that they don't want to be on social media at all, then our social media should be able to still be standing. If that makes sense. We put a lot of thought into it. And fortunately, Sean always keep, I'm probably like,

the type to overshare. Sean keeps me in check in that way. But I always grew up, like my dad filmed everything. He was at every football game filming every game. Yeah. I'm used to like making these home videos and having someone there filming. It's almost like a instinct that I feel like I have. Yeah. But what's fun is like what we consider what we do is creating shareable home videos. It's not like a scripted reality type thing. It's like just home videos. And what's nice is you were talking about reality TV and they can twist the narrative. Yeah. Sean like could...

we went to Disney world for the first time recently. Right. And there's like articles written about it. Sean goes to Disney and,

Anything she does, headlines pick it up. So someone's gonna make the narrative, right? I would prefer us to have some say in that. I don't want that to be someone else's job. It's like, hey, we can kind of shelter or decide, well, let's go this direction. Was that part of your decision process in choosing to go on social media in the first place? Or did you already have, you probably already had a social media experience

I had a little bit. I had worked in press for so long that kind of I understood it. But we didn't I didn't have social media during my Olympics at all, which was great. You had one of the first Twitter accounts. Sean had at one point like maybe you had like a top 10 follower count on Twitter. And people were like, Sean has 99,000 followers on Twitter back when I was young. Obviously, Twitter partnered. It was Twitter launch. We were on Dancing with the Stars and Twitter beta tested a bunch of stuff with the whole cast of Dancing.

So we had it. Yeah. Which we should talk about Dancing with the Stars. That's so cool. Two times. Yes. With the two best dancers. They're the best. Yeah. I was texting Andrea. I was like, hey, man, I just like saw you guys on TV on Dancing with the Stars. And then I felt like an idiot later. I looked it up. I'm like, oh, Sean, like, did you? You won. You won Dancing with the Stars. Yeah. Was it twice or once or? Uh.

One and came in second. Okay. Incredible. Is it a blast? It's the best. It looks so fun. I mean, we both love dancing, so it just looks like so much fun. Everyone there is so nice, and they want you to succeed. It's so fun.

it's not that like conniving manipulative cutthroat show yeah they truly want to like help you do your best so it's a lot of fun and both my partners were like big brothers to me so it was great that's so cool yeah that's so cool would you do it if you got invited oh one thousand percent Abby would kill it Abby's such a good answer no I wouldn't I would I feel

so out of it especially now that I'm like pregnant I'm like I can't even walk right like how would I dance but I would have so much fun but I would get nervous that I'd forget the dance because you guys learn them just that week you learn it like two days before you perform it and I never felt that I felt it once there was one week where we were like backstage getting ready to walk on

And we were like going through the motions and I just like blanked. Yeah, that's happened to me before. I forgot a whole dance and it was a solo. And I think ever since then I got a little bit like. Yeah. Abby was telling me Derek Huff was one of your partners and then the other guy was Mark. Ballas. Mark Ballas. Yeah. And he was the guy that he just recently won with Charlie Emilio. Yeah. Right. That's so cool. That's really cool. It's. And they're brothers. Yeah.

Wait, what? No, hold on. You had a... Wait, what? Pretty much. They grew up in the same house. Yes. Their whole life. Yeah. They call each other brothers. That's dope. I didn't even know that, actually. And I'm such a fan of Dancing with the Stars. I really am. Yeah, they're awesome. Cute. My mom used to have that show on when I was a kid. And it was that show and The Bachelor. Those were like the two shows she'd always watch. Oh, yeah.

We'd always watch it and then go to dance that week and, like, do a recap of, like, Dancing with the Stars. Like, what we thought of the choreography and, like, everything. I remember asking my mom one time, I was like, are all these people married that are, like, dancing with each other? Oh, yeah. Because some of the costumes were a little, like, I don't know. I was like, wow. And then she's like, no, Matt, they're not married. Yeah.

Yeah. They're married. I was like eight years old. Oh, because it was like saucy? Yeah. The salsa. Sean was on the show the second time when we started dating. And I'll never forget. It was a big thing with my mom who's not in the public eye. She's not into the vibe at all. Oh, yeah. And she would send me articles. Because there's a bunch of tabloids about Sean and Mark.

out to dinner together. Are they dating? And it's like, it's like, anyway, it's funny. That's sweet. This is like really backtracking, but I was, I'm just curious with the Olympics, do you have any like affiliation with them anymore? Like any contact with the Olympics? Yeah. So I still go to almost, we go to almost every single one. I work as like color commentator, like a color commentator or a lifestyle commentator, but I,

We still go, I still go to the national championships and Olympic trials and I know everybody really, really well. What's something about like the Olympics that people don't know about? Like something unique that maybe you haven't shared before or is there something like that that people just aren't aware of when it comes to the Olympics or...

being a young athlete. - Why do you think of it? I have another story that my mom sent me, I think. - Wait, I am about to pee my pants. Can I go really fast? Sorry. - No, no, yeah, go. No, you're good. You're totally good. - This is your reminder to write a review for the podcast if you have a minute. Shout out to Rach Faulkner who already did that. She gave us a five star review and says, "Love, this is my go-to podcast now when I just wanna unwind, do some chores, but feel like I'm hanging with friends.

Listening to Matt and Abby is easy and makes me laugh. Despite the name of their podcast, I actually appreciate how they live their lives with intentionality, maturity, and humility. It is refreshing and I think a great example for this younger generation. That was so nice. That was really, really nice. Thank you, Rach. Yeah, thank you, Rach. So if you have a minute, leave a review. It really means a lot. Yeah, and if you put your Instagram in the review, we'll even chat your Instagram too.

Fun fact. All right, back to the episode. We love you guys. Every Olympics, there's always news on the Olympic Village and what goes down in the Olympic Village. And so...

come across this article that's like how many condoms are used in the Olympic Village and it's like tens of thousands right and literally it was like Sean's name I was a minor are you kidding me and like a cyclist name who like we know are like some of the two only athletes mentioned in the article

And I was like, why? And they just pulled these out of nowhere. They just pulled these names literally out of nowhere. ESPN ran this story. Well, what? Because it's because you had some story about you kissing on the balcony or something. I don't even know what happened. Taylor Finney was, he lived in the apartment above me at the Olympic Village. And we ended up having a 16-year-old dating life after the Olympics for maybe a week. Like, maybe. Maybe.

It was like a crush. He's like tossing her Snickers. And he would throw us up Snickers. That's romantic. They ran that story along with this like. Condom stuff? Yes. I was like, are you kidding me? You're also writing this about a minor. Yeah. It was so. I hate that. I'll send you that. It's funny you mentioned that though, because I want to say my brother shared that article or mentioned that article like back when we were kids. He was like, dude, did you know about like what goes on? Wait, what did you know about?

Yes. I can't speak to this. We were 16 years old. We had armed guards outside of our door. Whoa. Because we were minors living in a village with thousands of adults. Yeah. We were never allowed to leave our room unless we had an armed guard with us. What? Armed? Yes. What? You have to think. You have minor girls. Yeah. We tend to be the most targeted since we're the youngest. There's all these things. So security measures, you take like, yeah.

I don't know that world at all. I stayed in my room and we watched like Harry Potter. Wow. Yeah. And which country was this in or countries? China. It was in China. Was this Beijing? Yeah. That's cool. And how, wait, how many golds did you win by the way? One. That's okay. One gold, three silver. Okay. Really, really cool. They say like the Olympic village and then like nursing homes are.

- What? - We were actually, I heard that. - You heard about this? - No, no, I heard the nursing homes with edgy knees. - Yeah, I'm telling, you didn't know this? - No. - You think about like, the Olympic Village, people in the best shape of their lives, just, you know, letting it go. - Living life. - And then nursing homes. - Nothing to lose. - It's like, let's just. - And they probably, I mean, that's pretty sad, but they don't have their partner anymore. - Think about all the like, nurses that live there. - Oh yeah. - Part of. - No. - I don't even know how that logistically. - No.

Sorry. I'm sorry. Matt, let's refer back to the script. Where are we at on our script right now? We got really off. Hey, this is the Unplanned Podcast. You know, anything can happen. Any topic of conversation can come up. This is fun. It's cool. What I love about what you guys do is, man, there's a lot of like...

promiscuous content like you know no short bikini pics all over the internet people talking about gambling and Like swearing, but I feel like this family niche It's like also in high demand as is the other stuff, but I think way more important You know it's like this is just talking about marriage and parenting It's like this is the best part of life man Shawn's won an Olympic gold medal stood on top of the podium and

And I think you would say that you being a mom has been way more important and way more fulfilling. So the more of this type of content, the better. So kudos to you. Yeah, I will say also like the incredible things you guys have done and like two of the most humble people I've ever met. Because I'm like learning all these things just so casually. Totally. And it's like you don't even want to say it. You're like it's not – it's like an incredible thing. And then you meet some people that –

I don't know. If they're going to be flexing accomplishments or money or anything like that, then it just makes you question a little bit. It just makes me want to, like... I don't know. When I meet people like you guys who have accomplished so much and aren't, like, trying to flex all the time, like, I just want to root for you and I just want to, like... Oh, thank you. I just want to, like, brag for you because, like, they've done all this and I want to just... I want to be the one, you know, bragging about them because they're not bragging about themselves. And I don't know. I just...

I don't like people when they're just like, I don't know, always trying to flex and always trying to be like that. But I just love how you guys are so humble. Thank you. So neither one of you are from Nashville, but now you're in Nashville. What brought you here? Vanderbilt. Oh, okay. That's right. Makes a lot of sense now. All right. So Sean was roasting me in our dating story. First of all, looking back on dating stories, always it's kind of a painful experience. But to toss it back at you, babe.

We start dating and Sean was like, yeah, she had already lived like a full career at that point. And, and was like, Hey, I'm going to move to Nashville. This is two months after we had met. Yep. And she was like, I'm gonna move to Nashville. I was like, are you coming for me? And would you say that you came for me? Is that a hundred percent? I was like, don't come for me. I got college and stuff to worry about. You freaked out. So anyway, she's the reason we stayed here. We love it here. And, uh,

Yeah, I'd probably moved away if it wasn't for you. It's okay. We were in high school and we decided we were going to get married one month into dating. That's great. And we're like, we're going to go to college together and get married during college. And you did. And we did. And we got married at 20 and 21. And how old were you guys when you got married? 24, 23. 23, 24. Yeah. Super cool. So what's the future for the East fam? Raising our babies. Sweet. Yeah. I love that. Being their biggest fans, biggest cheerleaders.

It's so fun. The further you guys were married, what, like four years, five, four years in July. Yeah. That's awesome. Every year that goes by, it gets better and better. It's like, uh, gosh, it's really fun to look back on the past couple of years of the stuff we've done, the memories we've made. And it's like, uh, I think of like when Picasso paints a picture, uh,

It's like he paints a million brushstrokes, right? And some of those are probably mistakes. Like he probably made errors along the way, but like, and we have too, but it's fun to like take a step back and look back at the past seven years, 10 years with dating. And it's like most of the things we've done have been on purpose. Like it's all kind of been a beautiful picture that we've been painting like stroke by stroke. So hopefully we could continue walking down that path is the goal.

Sean loves my analogy. Yes. Dude, that's freaky. Dude, that's actually kind of scaring me now. I do that. And I would relate it to like Picasso or something. I'd give some metaphor for something. It's important to talk in story. I'm like, did you need that analogy? I'm like, I understand. That was a good one. That was beautiful, actually. Sometimes I'm like, Matt, I kind of understood it the first time you said it. I didn't need any comparison there.

That's so funny. I love the way you think. Thank you. I just, I don't know. I like to have deep thoughts and like it's fun to like find relations between. Wait, does he do this too where you'll just be randomly like maybe like unloading the groceries and then I'll be like, Abby, what do you want out of life? I love a good philosophical conversation. I just want to unload

Seriously though, I'm like, Abby, what makes you happy? When were you feeling the happiest you've ever felt in your life? Yeah. And maybe I get that from my dad. My dad would ask us all that. What's your favorite memory with me? What was the most fun we've ever had as father and son? And we talk about those things. I don't know. Maybe I'm like my dad in that way.

Dude, it's so important though, dude. All right, so this is the prize I'm working on. I don't even know if Sean knows about this. My goal, I lost my dad like a couple months ago. And it's like really made me step back and look at, I have a son now. And my dad did an awesome job, right? So like what did he do right? And so I'm trying to document all this stuff. And it's turned into, curious your thoughts on this, Matt. I'm like putting together a, it's like a,

table of contents, like a binder full of like, here's a family traditions we have. Here's like all about, I'm even including like health issues that have been in our family. Like this is, this is what dad passed away from. Here's like, uh, my dad had like this modern day nighting ceremony to like, you know, make us from boys to men. It was like all, we did boy Scouts and I'm like,

I want to make sure I'm documenting all this and not that my son needs to go through all that, but at least he has a foundation of like, Hey, I'm not into Boy Scouts, but maybe I'm into this. You know what I'm saying? It's like, that's cool. I don't know. I've just, this is my project that I'm working on. Are you into it? I like it. I really liked that idea. That's really cool that you're doing that.

It's been fun. Very, very cool. And no, I mean, my dad, same way, like he was such a, such a good father and I'm so blessed to have a good father. And that's, I haven't thought about doing a binder, but that's like a cool way to think about it. Like the, the playbook, I guess for, yeah, exactly. You know, showing your kids what it's, what it's like to be a man and having traditions in there. And I, I like the, the health, the health things too. My dad all the time is like, just, you know, we have macular degeneration. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? It's like, dude, it's got to have it written down somewhere. It's kind of my MO. And I love reading, but I got books on deck for you. But like you look at Principles by Ray Dalio or like I'm reading through all the presidential biographies right now. And it's like all these people, like they documented things. And it's like, I want to, I don't even know. I don't have anything important to document, but I'm going to document stuff. So it's like.

Anyway, I've had fun. Dude, I cannot relate to somebody more. Reading presidents' biographies, that is something that I would actually do and enjoy. I'm a history nerd. I think it's so fun to look at the past and see how we can learn from past mistakes and lead to a better future because history repeats itself. We see that all the time throughout history and that's

That's cool. That's pretty cool that you're doing that. We better let these guys get dinner with their kiddos. Yes. And you guys have a 5.30 a.m. workout, right? Yeah, we're going to be up right now. I don't know about that. 5.30 is 3.30 a.m. Phoenix time? We're doing squat max.

- But you're only in Nashville like once. - Oh my gosh. - Matt acts like he hasn't adjusted to the time. - It's at our house. - I literally went to bed at 3:30 last, or at three o'clock last night editing a TikTok, so. - I'll have one of these ready for you. And I wanna show you our library before we leave. - Oh, okay. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - We'll definitely have to do that. - I'm into it. This is like, I collect books is how I do it, so. Big fans of you guys. Thanks for letting us do it. - Big fans of you guys. - Big fans of you guys. Thank you so much for doing this. I know you guys are super busy.

And thank you for letting us like literally film in your podcast studio. Sean and Andrew have a podcast as well. So you guys should definitely go follow, subscribe, check them out. Couple things. You can find it like everywhere, right? All platforms. Yeah, it's a couple things. I think it has an Instagram page. It's got a...

on YouTube. We've got the videos and then a couple of things on wherever you listen to podcasts. That's really dope. That's really cool. We have a good time. Well, you guys, this was such a pleasure to have you. And, um, hopefully, hopefully we'll see you around. Come visit us if you're ever in Phoenix. Like we'd, we'd love to say hi. Um, but yeah, cool. All right. Three, two, one. Peace out, dudes.