My Grandparents on Surviving Polio, How They Met & Life Without AC
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- You got diagnosed with polio at 13 years old? - Mm-hmm. - It was the talk of the town when he got polio. - Wow. - He was so thin. This is kind of emaciates you. - Meeting each other, was there like a hallmark moment that you're like, ah, that was the moment for that? - We had mutual friends. They kept saying how they liked you. - Yeah. - So it made me start paying more attention to him. - Did you guys have air conditioning back then, by the way? - No. - No. - You didn't have air conditioning? - No, we didn't have air conditioning. - What?

Hey, before we get started, please go ahead and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. It would mean the world to us. Seriously, it goes a long way. And let's get on with the episode. What's up, dudes? And welcome back to the Unplanned Podcast. We have some very special guests. It's a lot of convincing. These are just guests that we have yet to get on the show, honestly. We have my very own grandma and grandpa here with us. Everyone.

Vicki and Terry, thank you for being here. Good to be here. So, so happy to have you here. I just love going to visit you guys because you're just so pleasant to be around. So come more often. We'll have to. We definitely do. You have to hear this. Matt did tell me. I was like, Matt, who's your favorite family member of mine? He said, without hesitation, he said Vicki. Oh, wow. I'm so...

And, guys, I call my grandpa Pawpaw. I have since I was... Since I could talk. Since I could talk. But, yeah, some backstory on, like, my relationship with my grandparents is that I feel like I'm way closer with you guys than I am with, like, than most people are with their grandparents. Like, you guys pretty much kind of raised me in a way. Oh, we loved, I tell you, those years, precious years. Aw. They were...

Because they're over, but... Yeah. Aww. But now you're a great grandma and you get to live them again with Griffin and you guys are in amazing shape. Grandma goes to the gym four times a week. That's incredible. And I take her. And Grandpa takes her.

- Grandpa takes her. - Grandpa takes her. Do you work out four times a week, Grandpa? - Not quite. - He works out twice a week. - I really only work out twice, but I go there to walk sometimes when it's cold. - Hey, that's a workout? - That's awesome. Something I admire about you guys, you take frequent trips to the grocery store just as a way to get out. - We love it. - And do a little excursion every day. - Anything to get out of the house. - Yeah. - That's so fun. - And he drinks chai tea lattes. - Yeah, Papa goes to, well, let's give him a shout out, Carter's Coffee.

in my hometown, Quincy, Illinois, and they have many locations now in the whole surrounding area. It's a great small business that Papa supports every single morning, and I actually get DMs from workers at this coffee shop. They're like, I see Father every morning. He always gets a chai, skinny chai. I love that. Papa actually went with me to get a chai today before we filmed this, and...

We went pretty much 10 bucks too. We could not find this coffee shop and then we got locked out everywhere. Couldn't park and took forever for the lot. Oh my gosh. They were delicious. You guys took the longest excursion today to get coffee. I think you were gone almost two hours. We tried to go faster because we went down a one-way street the wrong way. Papa said that was the only time we didn't have any traffic. Oh my gosh. That's when we were going

going the wrong way down to one way. It was a whole adventure, but honestly it was great 'cause we just wanted to spend some time together, me and Papa. - Yes, it was fun, very fun. - So something that's so cool about you with your grandparents, Abby, is you have the closest relationship with them. - Yes. - I never got to experience that because I never even got to meet

one of my grandparents, my grandma passed like 10 years before I was born. And then my grandpa lived in another state. And then my other grandpa also lived in another state. And my grandparents were all separated. But you know, all your grandparents were together and going to their house every, was it Friday or Saturday? Yeah, every Friday night. My friends knew growing up too. They'd be like, Abby stays with her grandparents on Friday nights. Like we're not having a sleepover. Yeah.

But like through high school, every Friday night. I mean, there was less and less as I got older. Sometimes I was doing stuff. But even through high school, every Friday night, Saturday morning, we had blueberry waffles, Swiss mist, sugar-free. The log cabin syrup, sugar-free also. Right. And we just had like all these sweet traditions. Yeah.

Remember, we'd always convince Papa to go to the arcade or something. Yeah. Oh, my God. And you also convinced him to buy you some very expensive boots once at the department store. They were from Justice. They were sparkly. Oh, no. Oh, no. Those are leather. Yeah. Well, we got two pair of shoes that day, if you're sure. Oh, my goodness. I don't know how I convinced you, Papa. Oh, you always get convinced.

You were putty in his hands. I'm jealous, honestly. Like, that's so, so cool. Well, and we'd spend every Sunday lunch with them and pretty much the rest of the day on Sunday. They went to, well, Wednesday nights, you'd take me to church. Like, every, I'm pretty sure that we would see you, like, pretty much every day of the week a lot of the times. Like, maybe not Mondays and Tuesdays. Just church nights and

Friday. But then you went to all my events, all my sporting games, all my shows. Oh, yes. But it just makes sense, Abby, because you say all these quirky things. Like you say narts. You say Jiminy Christmas. You say like so many, I don't know, what the hecky? Is that what you used to say? You had all these funny sayings when we first started dating each other. I was like blown away by all these funny sayings you had. And I think you picked them up from your grandpa. I 100% did. We picked them up from our grandpa.

Parents and their room. Papa, you've got some good ones. What are yours? Don't give me that who shot John. Who shot John. That's my favorite. Does anybody know that saying who shot John? Abby always says that. It's real. They're valid. You guys didn't realize it, but they're valid. No, I'm the one defending you guys. I say them in front of our friends and they're like, what did you just say?

of our friends literally my nickname is john around that because of that or i don't know you have a bunch of sayings what'd you say to me you said don't shoot a gift horse in the mouth a racehorse or a gift horse in the mouth you know don't insult somebody who's giving you something yeah no oh yeah she has she has you guys can you think of any more off the spot i just rolled off of our parents tongues well you just say and you don't even realize rolling them off

Yeah, so I feel like a lot of my personality was also shaped by them. Oh, 100%. 100%. Especially Vicky. That's why on today's episode – That's scary. This is episode 10, by the way. I cannot believe we're already at episode 10. But I want to understand more of who your grandparents are, how they met, where they grew up. I'm just so curious because they are such a big part of your life. Mm-hmm.

And I'm hoping that, you know, Griffin's grandparents and great-grandparents can be a big part of his life as well. Yeah. So I just want to know more. Yeah. You guys have been married for over 50, almost 40 years.

55. No, almost 56. Wow. In August, 56. Wow. And I was at your 50th anniversary. So you grew up, or Abby grew up in Quincy, Illinois, which is where you guys lived Abby's whole entire life. We got married. But when you got married, you moved to Quincy from Colchester? Yes. Okay. And Colchester, how many people live in that town? At that time, I think it was 1,500. Yeah, around 1,500. 1,500. Oh my God.

Now it's about 1,000, I would guess. Wow. That is a very small town. So moving to Quincy must have been like moving to a big city. It was. We loved it. And it was 40,000 people? And they had a library. Yeah, 42,000, something like that. Places to shop that you didn't know. Walmart? Walmart.

i don't think they had walmart back then oh really no wow not 50 years ago and so growing up did you guys did you guys know each other as kids or did you not meet later until high school how did you guys meet high school now something about papa is he's an identical twin it's terry and jerry yes which is just such honestly that's made for like a movie series or like a book series did your mom ever give you any explanation she just liked the way they sound together

I never know. She didn't know she was having twins. That's right. That's crazy. Yeah. They didn't have sonograms. That's why I'm 20 minutes younger than Jerry. Wow. Wait. Wait. You have to tell the story. Here's your bouncing little boy. Oh, wait a minute. So she was giving birth and that's when she found out. That's when she found out she was going to have two kids. Oh my gosh. What in the world?

Was she huge? I don't recall. Oh, my goodness. I can't imagine that. She was tall, lady. So she probably... Think about the shock, thinking you're having one kid and then you end up having two. Yeah. That is crazy. So then she didn't have time to think of another name. So, of course, it was just Jerry. She thought her name was Jerry. So, Terry. Yeah.

Wow. I just bet it wasn't Tom. Oh, my gosh. And then she went on to have more kids after that. So she was – Wow. We were actually a little freaked out with Abby being pregnant right now. We were scared that we were going to be pregnant with twins for the second pregnancy. We were like, we don't know if we could do that. Well, that's what I was trying to – I was really interrogating Papa at Christmastime this year. I was like, are you guys identical or not? Because it makes a difference whether or not it's like –

It's more genetic? I'm not 100% sure about that. I'm

I feel like you've almost got to be. You guys look pretty identical. You really did look a lot alike when you were little. Yeah. They look very identical. But I guess there is science, right? Like if your grandparents are identical twins, then that means that you're more likely to have twins, correct? I think so. Is that why we're worried? No. I don't know. It said on the birth certificate, one of two. One of two. That's what it said. It don't say. Wow. You'd probably have to get tested to figure it out because...

I guess if you didn't have a sonogram, you wouldn't know. That's crazy. Well, it's a number of placentas. Twins would be in one. Yeah. Fraternal would be in each. So being at the same high school, how many kids are we talking at this high school? Because Abby and I went to schools. I think we had over 2,000 kids. 165. 165? I think there was like 42 in my class. What? So, Grandma, this is kind of a juicy question. Were you ever attracted to Jerry? No.

so weird being married to an identical twin though i know you must think that i know it must seem that way but no their personalities were very different that's so interesting i that would weird me out if you had an identical twin because i find you very attractive and it'd just be weird to see your twin like i don't know like that that would be weird it really it isn't as i can see where you would think that but it's it isn't true that's such different people oh my goodness that

- That's funny. In high school, did you, or like growing up, did you guys ever play jokes, like identical twin jokes? - I remember one, I think it was even the first grade, we used to trade seats all the time in school. - Yeah. - Somehow we got caught.

You guys were just probably a bunch of troublemakers. And meeting each other, was there like a hallmark moment that you're like, ah, that was the moment that I saw my knight in shining armor? Was there a moment where you guys remember that's where we kind of fell in love? Kind of. I don't know. Yeah, I think so. It was on the porch of our—we had mutual friends, and I hung out with them. They were his age.

One was a preacher's daughter that I went to church with all the time. And the other one was Sylvia. Was a wonderful person. And we were all, and I know that's something. They kept saying how they, they kept saying how they liked you. Yeah. So it made me start paying more attention to him. Your friends liked him, so then you kind of jumped on board. That's funny. But Terry didn't like your friends. He liked you. Well, I think it was more of a friendship. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

And this was, how old were you? Were you 16? Oh, you were 16. 15, maybe. Was I 15? Yeah. Well, before that, you knew Papa because didn't you say your small group went when Papa had polio? Because that's something big about your upbringing is that Papa actually had polio as a young teenager? 13. Yeah. Whoa. Everybody in our town was very well aware of that. Really? Because, I mean-

As horrendous as polio was at that time, I don't remember anybody besides you having it. No, not at that time. I mean, there must be somebody, but we didn't know him. I mean, it was the talk of the town when he got polio. Polio was just the most horrendous, scary thing. It's like cancer today, kind of. I mean, you know, it would strike and you didn't know.

how or why and there was nothing much you could do for it but it's like scary things like iron lungs and yeah can I talk about like what polio is yeah when I'm curious so you got diagnosed with polio at 13 years old wow and when and when that happened was that how did that feel probably really scary scary is right yeah yeah I had a very high it starts like a flu symptoms and

high fever and then the weakness starts. I mean, I fell a couple times and that's what

It affects your bones, right? Yeah, well, muscles mostly. Oh, muscles. And so you're feeling all these symptoms, and how long did it take you from the onset of the symptoms to then tell someone, like, hey, I'm not feeling so good? Well, my parents know it, but we just thought something would pass. Yeah. But then after a couple of days, my mother called the doctor, and he said, I'm pretty sure he has polio. So I went from Colchester to Peoria, Illinois for a...

for tests and that began a seven-month stay in the hospital. Oh my goodness. Yeah. So seven months. But how far is Peoria from Colchester and you're just a kid? Probably around 90, 90 mile.

Wow. And he wasn't, your parents still had to work, right? Yeah. So then he was at the hospital by himself as a 13 year old. Holy cow. Yeah. That's scary. Yeah, it was scary. It was. That's so, your poor parents too. They're probably worried sick about you and wishing they could be there. Did a lot of traveling back and forth on weekends when they could. And it's not like. Your mom didn't stay there sometimes. My mother stayed, had an apartment.

Not far from the hospital, she stayed for about six weeks. In the beginning. Wow. And she would come every day. And this was before video games and like, I mean, they didn't have a lot of TVs, I'm sure. Like, did you have a TV in your hospital room? I had a TV. Oh, you did? A video game. I couldn't even move my hands. Wow. The only thing that I could move was my tongue, some, and my eyelids. So were you on a feeding tube and everything? No, only liquid food, liquids I could handle. Oh, my goodness. Wow.

So were you in an iron lung at that time, too? You never had to go. There was one outside of my room that I didn't know about. Really? Yeah, they parked one outside. They had it ready. And what is, I don't even understand fully what the iron lung is. It just helps you breathe. It's a pressure thing that goes in and out. I got in one one time just to see what it was like. They're really scary looking. If you look up a picture of them, it's like a big metal cylinder. Big tank, big cylinder, yeah.

and then pretty much i feel like when people were in an iron lung it was they didn't they couldn't get out yeah they lived the rest of their life really yeah once you go in there's no going out i feel like it'd be even scarier i mean getting that diagnosis alone is super scary but then in a small town too yeah and then also like we've had so many issues with our like medical bills and health insurance i wonder what had

You probably don't even know what that was like for your parents. The March of Dimes. It's called the March of Dimes, which you know about. Yeah. Kids would get these little cards in school with little slots, and you'd go home and say, you know, put film, everybody would film. People actually eradicated polio with money from that, just little bits of money from everybody, you know? Wow. A total bill for seven months, wheelchair, braces, crutches, $5,000. Wow.

Wait, what? It was a total bill. That was like... And March of Dimes paid. And March of Dimes paid the whole thing? Wow, March of Dimes is still around right now. But $5,000 back then, like we're talking about... Was this the 50s? That's a lot, yeah. This is in the 50s. I don't know what that math is, but... 56. I'm sure that's... Today, that'd be well over $100,000, maybe over $200,000. Probably. But then the fact that they paid that all, that's incredible. The town was...

i know they had fundraisers for him you know that's so sweet and you went with a small group to go pray for papa at the house i was going to bible school that summer after he was diagnosed i was in bible school and i remember mrs nelson mrs nelson you know yeah saying you know we need to pray for terry biswell wow oh so you didn't go to the hospital but you all just prayed for him no the

At the college, we lived real close to a college in the next town.

And their basketball team went to visit you because he and his brother were big basketball players. My uncle was in their fraternity. Were you able to play basketball after polio? Yeah, I guess what are some of the lingering effects that you had from that? It affected your legs? I still have weakness in my legs and ankles, but nothing depended on that. You're very mobile, so. Yeah, yeah.

What's happened? In the seven months that you were in the hospital, once that seven months was up, were you fully done with polio or did you still have polio? I was on crutches and still used a wheelchair. And I went to school and they would have a couple of kids help me up the stairs and help me down.

Wow. It's because schools weren't wheelchair accessible. No. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. That's tough. Times have changed a lot. And so how long from that point on, how long did it take for you to get fully back to normal, I guess? Or at least back to normal enough where you could go up the stairs and do everything on your own? Oh, it took years. I mean, it took quite a, at least five years to get. I did do the PE classes as best I could at that time. Mm-hmm. But.

It's still, once in a while, you know, my hands and things, I still think I might have a post-polio problem, but I've never been diagnosed with it. Wow. That's crazy. Do you remember seeing Terry at school? I was in the band, and I remember marching once. I saw him in his wheelchair close to where he lived.

And it was shocking because he was so thin, you know. Yeah. It just kind of emaciates you to have something like that. And it was shocking to see him. Isn't it crazy, like, if you could tell that little girl that you're going to marry him? Yeah. That's going to be your husband. I know. That's so weird. How wild is that? Did you guys have air conditioning back then, by the way? No. You didn't have air conditioning? No, we didn't have air conditioning. Well, Papa remembers when the first...

People in town got the first TV. Yeah. And then when they got the first color TV. Yeah. What? Our neighbors got a TV and we'd go over there and watch the fights. Watch fights? Boxing on Friday night. Wow. It was boring as a dickens, but I love the commercials. They were so funny. The commercials were funny? That's hilarious. Did you say bored as a dickens? See, that's what I'm saying.

That's so natural to say. I remember going uptown to the only appliance store in town and watching TV through the window. Oh, that's so cute. They were kind of like, I feel like you guys had a movie relationship in high school because you guys would always go on Friday nights for pizza dates. Yeah.

Yep. That's sweet. We could go to the show, eat pizza, and buy a couple dollars worth of gas for $5. Oh, my gosh. What a steal. Sometimes, maybe my friends would, we'd look in our pockets, we'd come up with 75 cents and get 75 cents worth of gas. Oh, my God. It actually would be enough to do something. 75 cents of gas could get you somewhere. 25 cents a gallon. Oh, my gosh. We need to go back in time. What did you guys do for fun back then? Like, what was the it thing?

Well, she roller skated. I didn't do much roller skating. Oh, yeah, roller skating. That was about it. I had a roller skate. The lovely people ran it. There was afternoon skating for the younger kids and then Sunday night, I mean Saturday night for older kids. And there was a bowling alley upstairs, and he set pins for that. Set pins up the stairs, and then she'd skate a while and come up and visit me. Wait, wasn't it true that they wanted twins to set up the pins? Am I totally wrong? You're totally wrong. What?

No, but my brother did set pins too. You guys were the twin pin setters? Twin pins. Maybe that's just where I got it from. That's so classic. Like roller skating, working at a bowling alley. So cool. You're a good bowler. I used to be. You used to be.

You still are. I want to see some pictures. I just saw pictures from my great-grandpa's younger years, and it was crazy seeing all the cars. Everything just, I mean, it was back in the day. It was back in time. Papa kind of looked like Elvis back in the day. Yeah. And it's funny, too, seeing all the trends that come back, right? Because bits and pieces from the past end up coming back and become popular again. Different hairstyles. It's just fascinating. The 60s were great. I mean, the hairstyles and the clothes were great.

Darling. Really? The flip. Oh, yeah? That is cute. That's so cute. That's still a cute hairstyle. And who was the president when you guys were growing up? Eisenhower. That's one I remember. Wow. Yeah. And he was very respected because he'd been a general in the war. Oh, really? Uh-huh. Which war was that? And you know what's so funny? There was not the political divide then that there is now. Really? Whoever was president, you respected him. Really? And you didn't diss the president. He was...

He was somebody to respect. That is sad how I think in recent years things have gotten so nasty on both sides. I don't know. That's really interesting. So people weren't as aggressive towards people in power back then? Like so divided? Oh, no. Oh, no. I don't think, no. Wow. John Kennedy was president when... Who? John Kennedy. Yeah. Well, we were in college age. Really? Mm-hmm.

And you guys remember when he was assassinated? Very clearly. Where were you? Like, what were you doing when you found out that JFK was assassinated? Well, I was driving a Pepsi-Cola truck at that time. And I was delivering Pepsi at a gas station in Macomb when I got the news that he'd been shot. Holy cow.

And I was in college. I was at the laboratory school where we made observations. I was waiting to make an observation in a class. I was just standing against the hall. And I noticed the body language of like a science teacher and a janitor were talking. And one was just shaking his head like this. And I just observed the body language. It was all different. It wasn't normal. And I thought something was going on. And finally somebody told me the president had been shot. Oh, my gosh.

Unbelievable. And my next class was American history. Wow. And so it was very interesting to hear the professor talk about it. And then we watched TV all the time because there was all kinds of, the TV was just filled with all the information. And then, of course, the man who shot him was killed. Was it that falling? Oh, my gosh.

I looked up some dates when I was researching this. 1963 is when it happened. Lee Harvey Oswald was shot. Wow. Wasn't it that weekend or something? They arrested him. Well, I don't remember when, but not too long after that, then somebody went into the jail and shot him.

Oh my God. Oh wow. I didn't even know that. Was that just the craziest time? Was everyone just... It was Jack Ruby. Yeah, it's really shocking. Lee Harvey Oswald. Was everyone just terrified of like what was going on because it seemed so chaotic at the time? Yeah, it was a very strange, hard time. Very sad. And in 1963, so you were in college, you were driving a Pepsi Cola truck. How old were you guys? I was in my early 20s, I guess. I was 20 in 63. I was 19, right? Wow. Yeah. Yeah.

And then after that, you went on to be an elementary teacher. How long did you teach? 34 years. So you were in school for education then. And then you taught for 34 years. And then Papa was a carpet layer. I went to business school to begin with. How long did you go to business school? I went to business school. And he had a job as a bookkeeper for a furniture company. Yes.

And we got some good furniture when we were first married. That's nice. And then their carpet layers at that time were all in their 60s. I began laying carpet. There you go. So are we the only college dropouts in the room right now? Our ladies finished school and we didn't? Well, I'm one of them. Yeah.

Wait, how long did you go to college for? One year. Okay, one year. I went to business school after that. Well, you got your master's, didn't you? Uh-huh. But not right after I got my bachelor's. Your dad was like, the boys were like 9 and 12 when I went back to get that. That wasn't very common, I feel like, for women to, first of all, go to college then, was it? Were you the first college-educated woman in your family? Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

And then, especially for you to go on to get your master's. All the teachers were doing that because that's how you, you know, get higher on the pay scale. Yeah. And you learn more. My mother was a teacher, too. His mother was a teacher. Oh, really? Yeah. Did she do elementary, too? She had to quit when she got married because married women couldn't draw a salary that

Wait, what? Wait, wait, wait, hold up. If you were a married woman and a teacher, you had to quit? Because the jobs are paid by the taxpayers. They didn't think it was right for... They wanted the jobs for the men from the war. It was for men to support their families. So if you're a woman as a teacher and then you get married, you could just be gone because they want to give the jobs to men. Yeah. Holy cow. That's kind of crazy. You're done. That's ridiculous.

And that was just completely normal back then. Wait, why though? Wait, because they wanted... They didn't want to take up a man's job. But after the war, the men started coming back. They needed the jobs. And the war you're talking about is Vietnam? No, it'd be World War II. Oh, World War II. And the Korean.

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Because you guys were born, I think, when the World War II ended, right? Pretty much. I mean, it was still going on when we were born, but a couple years later, I think. It was over. I remember people talking about being rationed during the war years. Those were very patriotic times. Yeah. Well, it's amazing how when a country goes through something so challenging, how people have to band together and support each other and love one another. I feel like we're very patriotic because of...

our background and we've shaved veterans. Oh yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Cause you couldn't be drafted because you were, you had polio, but then were your brothers worried about Jerry? My brother, Jerry went, your brother was in the air force in Vietnam. No,

prior to oh the Korean War he didn't go to war no the Korean War was way over by then oh but what was the draft for like what why was there a draft well he wasn't drafted he he enlisted didn't he yeah but before he was so before he was drafted they had a lottery system your birthday they went down on every birthday they pulled a number for everybody's birthday and then it was Vietnam so you'd find out on your birthday

No, I think the Selective Service sent you a message. Oh, wow. You know, you could be anywhere from one to 386. Now, if you was in the top 50, you probably wouldn't get drafted. What was the sentiment like during that war? Because I remember in history class learning about it and learning about the people protesting the war and then how people were sent over and they were –

it was like against their own will. They were drafted. They had to go. And then they come home after, you know, fighting for what they feel is their country because their country made them go fight in Vietnam. And then they have all these people like spitting on them and mad at them for going over. I think it was all political. So, you know what? I didn't have a good perspective on it until I got a lot older. Really? I'm not kidding. I, something about when you're living through it, you, you hear things on the news. You hear people talking and I, I'm sorry to say, I didn't quite know what to think. Yeah. Hmm.

But now I look back and my heart aches for those soldiers who came home and were not honored. Yeah. And I'm so glad they have the honor flights now and so they can get some recognition for what they did for our country. It was a hideous war. Yeah. Your chances of dying were so high when you went, if you were drafted. A friend we know had the Agent Orange. He had cancer. Ah. Due to that, we just went to his visitation not too long ago. Wow. Yeah.

I'm curious too because you guys lived through the Civil Rights Movement as well. And Abby and I, we were recently in Memphis, Tennessee, and we went to this museum to learn more about black history and it was an incredible museum. What was the name of that museum again?

I'm totally... I'm drawing a blank right now. I'll find it right now. But the museum was built at the shot that Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated. And, like, walking up to that spot, I just... I got chills. Because I... I mean, it was... It's the National Civil Rights Museum. It's called the National Civil Rights Museum. You walk up and you see this motel. The...

Yeah, I've seen that hotel. And you feel like you're transported back into the 60s. You've seen all the pictures. And I'm like, wow, this is really cool. It's like we're in the 60s right now. And then I noticed this memorial on the wall. And I noticed this balcony. Right above the door. Yeah, right on the door. And I'm like, no. That is the balcony. I'm getting chills right now just thinking about it. I'm like, no, there's no way. It does send chills because you're just like, this is literally where it happened. This is where he was shot. And the guy who shot him was from Quincy, wasn't he? He went to school in Quincy at one time. Really? Yeah.

Well, that's not a good piece of Quincy's history. That's so, so, so sad. And you guys grew up in that whole era. Yes. Growing up in that era and then looking back to that movement now, what is that like, I guess? It was ugly. It was horrible. And again, I didn't fully comprehend it until not too long ago. I was looking at the movie of The Help. Yeah.

It is heartbreaking how those ladies were treated. Yeah. And I know it's true because my relatives on my mom's side were Memphis, Tennessee area. Really? Yes. And that's why I've been to Elvis' house and to Lorraine, that hotel, by that hotel and everything. And I saw the way my aunt and uncle, a certain aunt and uncle that I had, treated the black help, and it was...

I was shocked. Yeah. I was shocked. Yeah. So it was almost like even back in the day, people, you would go down south and you could just see this big difference the way people were treating other people of color. Yes. But we in the north, oh, we're not like that. But, you know, in some ways we were. Yeah. You know, I can't.

Age gives you perspective. Yeah. I feel like we're living through a lot of like big history right now in the past couple years. It's like I wonder how our perspectives will change on these things that are happening like as we get older too. Totally. And like as we can look back on it more subject or more objectively. Yeah. Because it's hard when you're hearing things from all different sides and everything is biased. You're kind of like well like I don't know how to actually feel about this. I just like thinking about how

The people back then that really stood up for civil rights, that must have taken some serious courage. They were heroes. Some serious courage. Yeah, they were. True heroes. Because...

Yeah, that's just so selfless to put your life on the line for a movement to, you know, have a better world for everyone. Thank goodness they did. Thank goodness they did. Seriously. A lot of them paid a very heavy price for that in their lives. Speaking of the 60s too, I was just thinking about this. You guys were alive when Neil Armstrong walked on the moon for the first time. Did you guys watch that on live television? Yeah, I think we were married. Edmund R. Gong.

It must have been in the summertime because I saw it on TV. Yeah, we had it on TV. Again, the television brought everything right into our home. We had a black and white TV at that time. We did. That's cool. Did other people have color and you guys had black and white? Yeah, I'm sure. Being a carpet layer. Was that not the coolest thing? Like seeing a guy on TV walking on the moon? Was that crazy? It was unbelievable. I don't think you really realized it at the time. You get to thinking about it.

That's just awesome. Oh, yeah. That's crazy. I mean, that happened over 50 years ago. Did you ever look up at the moon and think, somebody went up there and hit a golf ball? Yeah, Matt literally says he wants to go to the moon. I think it'd be cool. I'd love to. I'm happy right where I am. Oh, me too. I heard you ascending him to the moon. Yeah, honestly, some days I want to. Oh, my gosh.

Yeah, you guys have lived through some crazy history. We have who knows what you got left to experience Oh my gosh, okay I don't want to get stay on these like negative topics but like the Cold War - I was just thinking about this the Cold War went on from like I think somewhere in the 60s till the 1990s I don't know the exact dates but was that weird too because I remember in high school we were learning about the Cold War and history class and

And we were, I was taught that they would have kids go through drills. We did. In case like we were bombed or nuked or something. I can remember getting under my desk. Under your desk. Oh my gosh. Like your desk. That doesn't seem very protective. It keeps you from flying glass. Is that what it is? Yeah. We had drills. Even when I was teaching, we had drills. What? Yeah.

What? Like bomb drills where you just have to train kids on how to protect themselves in case there's a bombing from Russia or something. I know to stay away from the glass. That was definitely... Wow. Maybe it was a tornado drill? Yeah, I think it was. Tornado drills. Isn't it crazy? Now we have drills for shooters, like active shooters in schools. That was never a thing back then, right? Never. I do remember...

After Columbine, is that what it's called? Yeah. We started having, telling us if we were on the playground, run zigzag to shelter. Wow. It's got to be so hard as a teacher, like, describing that to kids. And, like, that has to be. It is so hideous now what goes on in this country. Mm-hmm.

It's disappointing. So you guys grow up and then this new thing called the internet comes out. Do you remember the first time you ever saw a computer? Do you remember the first time? Oh, you do? They were huge, right? Yeah, they were. I remember we had one in school first and a lady sat beside me to help me. First thing, I had a piece of paper and pencil and I said, okay, how do you turn it on? So I wrote down push button on, you know, whatever. I wrote everything down she told me. Wow.

And then, you know. How big was it? It was about like that. Wow. It was real deep. Oh, yeah. And was this in college? This was when I was teaching. Oh, while you were teaching. Oh, so even in college. So you were using typewriters. I used a typewriter. When I was going to college, I had to do multiple, you know, I had to do like four copies. I used that many sheets of paper and then I had carbon paper behind them. Wow. Didn't the.

Computer, when you worked at the college, wasn't it bigger than that, though? Oh, there was computers at the college, especially in the library. But I did my, are you meaning bachelor's degree? I didn't have them then, but my master's degree they did. But you put a telephone on them, remember? Yeah.

I never have been good with technology. I think then probably computers were more for like the technologically advanced and now they've made them accessible to everyone. Because the first computers used to take up like a whole room. Oh, see, now I did work in the data processing office when I was in college. Yeah, and it was in the basement because they had to keep them cool. It was papers. It was cards with punch holes in them. And I did a punch. I typed punch in.

What? Yeah, I did. I kind of forgot about that. And now look at you now. You're Googling on your phone all day long. I am. I'm proud of you guys, honestly. Like, in some ways, I think your grandparents might be better on their phone than my mom. I don't know. Sometimes Grandma sends me some blank texts. I'm terrible. Papa, you're good. I've got hacked. Ask Blake. He'll tell you different. Well, sometimes you need a little... Yeah, Grandma, okay. Can we talk about you sending pornography to your mom? Oh, no. Oh, no. That was hacked. It's happened multiple times.

It was a virus, right? Yeah, I guess. I opened it up to something I shouldn't have, but now I'm real cautious about that. Oh, no. I learned the hard way. Do you like to hear church smog or something? Oh, I don't know. You said something to me, your granddaughter. You said something to Abby? Oh, I'm so sorry. Oh, my God. I'm so sorry. I just know if it's coming from Grandma, I'm going to probably not click on it. Oh, my gosh. Because I don't think you know how to send a link anyway, so... Links...

Yeah, I know how to click on a link. No, you know how to click on them. My favorite is if your friends get hacked, they'll send you that message like, I'm stuck in so-and-so country and I need you to send me $1,000 to help me. And it's like, okay, I know you got hacked. No, but the ones that get grandma are like,

Like, I can't believe I saw you. Is this you in this video or something like that? The one that got me was, you know, I told you we had the mutual friends on the porch where we first kind of clicked. One of those girls that I loved dearly, and she has died of breast cancer now, but her daughter, that's what got me. It said, you know, her name is...

I just found this video. I just... And I think you're in it. I'm videoing.

So I clicked on it. Then I was going to see my friend. That is awful. That's on me. As your granddaughter, it's my job to protect you against those hackers. So I'm going to take credit for that one. I think a funny one, it's not necessarily a hacker that gets your grandparents, but I think your grandma shared one of these before where it's like a post on Facebook that says, if you believe in God, you must share this. And if you don't, then you don't believe in God. And then I think you would end up sharing it because you want to. I think grandma shared a couple of those. Yeah.

I have to unsubscribe to all those now because I get a whole lot of those and they just kind of, I love them. They're good, but they're annoying. They just keep coming.

The internet shows you it's smarter now than you would ever believe. It shows you what you feed it. They've got you figured out, Grandma. They do. Honestly, I have to be real with you. I kept your Facebook logged in on my phone to just kind of monitor what was going on. But now I got logged out, so maybe you should re-log in for me. Show me how to do that. I will show you. You guys lived at a time without cell phones.

Like, how wild was that? We used to talk on the phone all the time. I annoyed his parents. It wasn't a cell phone, though. On the landline? On the landline? You just talk on the landline? On the landline. Yeah, we talked all the time. Was that expensive? Like, would they bill you by the minute? No. It went through an operator. There'd be an operator uptown in the building. 242Y, please. Aw. That's so cute. Oh, because you wanted to talk to the Biswells? That was his number. I know his parents must have...

Well, your parents must have been the same way. Did they say, can you get your girlfriend to stop calling? We need to free up the phone. That's so cute. I remember when we got the dials. Wait, what was it before? Oh, it was the...

Wait, you still have one of those phones in your basement. Oh, the ring phone. We do. It's an antique. But what was before the dial? Because the dial thing... It was just a regular phone with, you know, a phone. It literally is a separate thing. But it didn't have any dial on it. You just, because you would just, the operator, when you picked up, the operator would say, number please.

But the old song had a crank on it. Before. We got one of those. Those were before the one I'm talking about. And there might be on a party line and you'd pick up if you want somebody else to be talking. Oh my gosh. Got a three party line. And they would listen. And people would spot. People would pick up. Oh. In a small town that's got to cause some drama. That's where gossip started. Yeah. That's where gossip started? Yeah. Oh,

Oh, now it's on social media. Yeah. That is so funny. That's kind of really sweet, though, that you guys were talking on the home phone. And Matt and I, we talked for hours on FaceTime. Oh, we talked a lot. Yeah. We would keep a FaceTime call going all night. We would talk and just keep chatting. We also wrote notes. We did. We did. A lot of note writing. I asked Grandma last night at dinner. Or no, was that at dinner? I asked you, I was like, is Papa romantic? And she said, oh, yeah. Papa, you are romantic. Yes, I am. Yes, I am.

That's sweet. What are some of your, like, most memorable dates you went on? Like, either when you were married or when you were dating. Just, like, the prom. The dances. And, yeah. Papa, you were a big dancer? We did dance when we were young. I was never very good. It was okay. You were fine. Oh, no, but it was really sweet. You danced with me on our wedding. Yeah.

I can't tell you how he worried about that. You were worried? Oh, he was. I almost didn't go. He almost said, I can't do it. Let me tell you, all the men I danced with, except for Matt, at my wedding, were nervous. You, my grandpa, and my dad was probably the most nervous of all. But they all did it for me. You know what helped? He took his shoes off.

Because it was, was that it? You were barefoot? He was in his stocking feet. That's cute. That was how he could help, didn't it? Yeah. I have kind of a stupid question to ask. What is parking? Like you guys were talking about dating, like growing up dating and I don't know, back in the day. Let's not go there. You said you weren't going to ask me a personal question. Let's not go there. Is parking a bad term? I don't even know. Not if you're parking. Okay.

Now you've crossed the line. We're not going to talk about parking. I just want to know. Uh-oh, there he goes. He won't shut up. Just answer this. I don't think so. You can just nod your head. Is it more than kissing? We're not going there. We're not going there at all.

- I have a hard boundary. - A hard bound, we're not talking about parking on this podcast. - I have boundaries. I have boundaries. - So, but like speaking of, I don't know. - Oh, see, he won't let it go. - I'm not, I'm letting it go. We're moving on. We're moving on. I'm curious, did you guys have a drive-in? Like would you go to the drive-in movie and you know? - Yeah, we did go there. - We watched the movie, didn't we, hun? - Would you watch the movie? - We watched the whole movie. - I love movies.

Abby and I used to turn on a movie and we probably didn't watch the movie. One time I was so engrossed in a movie. Well, this, I was with my folks this time. My dad went and got some peanuts and I assumed they were shelled, but they weren't. And I was eating, I was putting a shell in my mouth. Shells and all. I don't know.

I was eating shells. That's how engrossed I was in the movies. Grandma loves movies. Yeah, I loved them. And back then, were movies ever on TV or was it really only at the theater? Only at the theater. Really? Oh, yeah. And there were no DVDs? That's why they were so precious. No, no. Wow. That's crazy. Did they play Gone with the Wind? I heard that Gone with the Wind kept getting rerun over and over again.

Back in the day. Yeah. I don't remember where I first saw that. At the movies? They kept playing that one. That's crazy. At the movies. Was there a movie that's like super memorable that came out back in the day that you were so excited to go see? Like maybe Grease? I don't know. That probably was... The movie I kind of remember was with Humphrey Bogart. And I wish I could come up with the actress's name. Catherine Hepburn, maybe? He was a pilot of a...

Some kind of a boat. It was like in Africa. Uh-huh. PT-105 or something. No, African Queen might have been the name of the movie. Okay. It's really old. And it was black and white, of course. Wow. And it was, I can't really remember very much about it, but it was a very good movie and

That might have been where I ate peanuts, shells and all. So peanuts were the thing, like you wouldn't have popcorn. Or Cracker Jacks. Oh, so there was no popcorn at the movies back then. You'd have peanuts and Cracker Jacks. Well, at the drive-in. Yeah, there's popcorn at the movie. Oh, at the theater. Okay. Yeah, at the theater. Have you guys ever been to a drive-in? We have. They're always double features, aren't they?

I guess. I can never stay awake for the second one. They had one about 45 minutes away from our college town. In Springfield. And so we would drive 45 minutes and go watch a drive-in movie. It was cool. It was a really neat experience. It were. It's really fun. Yeah. But I just can never stay awake for the double feature. I don't remember double feature. I just remember one, don't you? Yeah, just one. Oh.

And so could people get away with way more back then though? Because there was no cell phones. There was no tracking where people are at. Like my parents, when I was a kid, they could see my location at all times. They're like, you need to have your location on your phone. So I'm sure people back in your day could get away with it. Well, probably in a small town too. People back when they did something wrong, they got punished. Oh, really? They got punished. Yeah, I was going to ask you, what do you think about kids today? Because people got spanked in school when you guys were in school, right? Yes, they did. Did you ever have to wear a dunce cap? No.

Oh, that was a little farther than that. You're going way back. Hey, I think it's crazy that they could smack kids in schools. Well, they didn't smack them in the face or anything, but they would. I remember a teacher broke a yardstick on a boy. I remember that, too. Oh, my gosh. That's crazy, though. Yeah. Wow. We got our name in first grade. The teacher had a box on the chalkboard.

she did something wrong you she put your name in that box when i was in first grade uh the teacher

Teacher was playing a song on the Victrola. Is that what it was called? It was a thing, you're correct. Anyway, it was a bouncy little song. The girl across the center cross from me, we joined hands and we were going like this to the music. The teacher gets up and she goes to the board and she writes our names in the box because we're doing this. School was very strict. Wait, what? You were just trying to have fun in school and you got in trouble.

And she remembers that because she was a good kid. And I know I told my parents. I got my name in the book. Were they disappointed with you? And they said, well, why? And I told them. They thought, well. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they sort of blew it off. Oh, my goodness. Papa, you got into some trouble in the day. No. You got into some trouble. I don't recall any trouble.

Well, he threw, he and his brother threw rocks at cars when they were little. What? My aunt told us. We lived right on the highway. You were throwing rocks at cars? They were like, were you five? Probably about five. We were sitting in the gutter firing cars as they went by.

Papa was grandma's paper boy, like for their family growing up. Run across the flower bed on my bicycle. That's cute. Did you have a crush on her even then? No, we didn't know each other. I was going to ask you guys, this is kind of unrelated to what we're talking about, but since you were talking about how it was so quick that you guys like fell in love on that porch, like, does that make you believe in love at first sight? I think things can, sparks can fly at a time, you know? That's sweet. But then, I mean, I heard of a, we had kind of a...

We had kind of a on-again, off-again relationship those easy years. But now you're stable as can be. That's so cool. Yeah, how you've been together 56 years, or about to be 56 years, but then in the beginning it was a little rough around the edges. It's funny because now if we were to talk to a couple now, if things were rocky now, I'd be like, oh, it's only going to get harder, so don't. But you guys are the opposite of that, so yeah.

That's hilarious, though, because there's couples that do everything right. They check off all the boxes and then their relationship doesn't work out. They divorce, whatever. And then there's couples that do everything wrong and they live together happily ever after. I mean, you guys, if we probably would have known you back in the day and seen you guys, you know, get back together, then break up, get back together, break up. You guys need to not get married. But look at you. I mean, you got married. Once we got married, we were committed. Yeah. Yeah.

So, I mean, you know, we do believe till death do us part. Yeah. There you go. But I considered. I feel so blessed that I grew up with you guys as an example of marriage and just an example of family too, what you guys value. Yeah, the Lord is great.

Gets the credit. That's awesome. For guiding us and helping us. Proverbs 3, 5, and 6. There you go. So we've talked a lot about the past. We've talked a lot about growing up. Which, oh wait, by the way, I want to ask you this. What was that like when you got air conditioning for the first time? Was that just the best thing ever? We liked to froze to death. Yeah, that's true. I remember the ladies in church used to wear sweaters all the time. They could hardly adjust. Yeah.

That's hilarious. So you didn't like it? It was uncomfortable because you were cold all the time then? No, we liked it. We liked it. It was wonderful. It was wonderful. And same thing with the TV. Did you guys just think the TV was the coolest thing ever? Yes. I was in third grade when we got our TV set and it just felt like somebody was in the room. I remember going behind the TV and it was like you couldn't get very much.

They all had aerials at that time. Maybe one or two channels. The antennas they put up. Oh, yeah. And we had to turn the... He had a rotor that you'd supposedly turn it to where you wanted it from the inside. Oh, gosh. It wouldn't work about half the time. You had to go out and turn by hand. The satellites? Turn it by hand. No. Aerial.

Oh, I don't even know what that is. There's an arrow on our roof. Picks up the signal. Oh, gosh. You said it earlier. We were talking about this. Like, what would your advice be for young people? And you said it earlier. Put your phones down, folks. Put your phones down, folks. Yeah, put them down and live your life. Yeah.

I mean, that's just so crazy that you guys grew up at a time where when you were our age, there were no phones. There were no social media. I mean, you had home phones, but you didn't have cell phones. And not everything was recorded. No. That must have just been so different. It was so much better. So much better. In our younger life, we woke up every morning looking for a baseball game. I mean, let's go get so-and-so. Maybe we can get enough guys to play baseball. And in the summertime, that's all we did. Look forward to it every day.

Mm-hmm. And you're around people. Yeah. Outside. You got exercise. I played outside. That all has to affect your mental health. Yeah. Played jacks and paper dolls and... Paper dolls? I've never even heard of paper dolls. Paper dolls. Because now people can be fully entertained completely by themselves. Right. Which is not how it's made to be. You're made to be around people and... But you guys have phones. I mean, do you like using your phones? Well, Grandma's on the Facebook. You're on the Facebook. Yeah.

I'm kind of selective about my friends. Yeah. That's funny. You guys are on, you guys are pretty with it with your social media though. Yeah, but I can see where it can really rob you of a lot of time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

just stay off of it it is sweet though that i know you guys watch a lot of our videos yeah um a lot of times we'll go to your house and be like i just saw your recent youtube video and yeah we do we watch i just thought of something that was funny one time we pranked you guys we made a tick tock we were kissing on your couch in front of you guys oh my gosh you know so many people were mad at us because of that they thought that that was incredibly disrespectful but it's

funny because it's like you can't in a like 30 second TikTok you can't like explain your relationship with your grandparents but like we're pretty off the cuff I know I would I would have pulled the blind yeah but like we can PDA in front of you guys and you guys don't find that disrespectful or like you guys I don't know you guys have

A little bit of PDA sometimes. What's PDA? Public displays of affection. Oh. We're really close with you guys. We make jokes with you that probably other people wouldn't make with their grandparents. We're a lot, we've, I mean, you guys pretty much raised me, so I have a lot like both of you. I have Papa's wheeze and I have Grandma's sassiness. Yeah.

Oh, my gosh. And I'm just worried that maybe one day I'm going to... Well, not worried. I actually know that I'm exactly going to be just like Vicky when I'm 79. No, you're going to be... You're going to surpass me by so much. Oh, no. Oh, yes, you are. You are an amazing woman. You've always been so bright and...

- Grandma, you don't even know how many people you've touched with your life though, because like I get messages all the time from people saying like, your grandma is the kindest person. This is something that is really like special about you is that you remember people's stories and like everything about them, their name, their families. Like you remember people so well. And that means a lot for people to be like,

I didn't think that she even remembered me. And you're like, I've been praying for you for years. And like, you just are really, you're intentional. That's what you are. You're very intentional with people that are in your life. I have friends that are better that way. And they inspire me. Well, I just hope I can become more like that.

You guys have the sweetest relationship. I just love having these conversations. I don't want to get too ahead of myself, but I had some questions prepared for you guys about slang that young people use, and I want to see how good you guys are at knowing what the young people slang is. I bet we don't know it. You guys ready? Okay, the first one would be if someone says, oh, that's so dope. What does that mean? What does that so dope mean?

I don't know. Do you? Man, it's so great. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty good. That means like cool. Matt says dope a lot. I say dope a lot. I'm like, oh, that's dope. Like that's cool. To me, dope is dogs. Well, that's also what dope means. That's, yeah. That's what comes to my mind. What about if something's fire? Oh, that's fire. I have no idea. Do you?

something's hot yeah i mean it's like really good yeah usually like with people use it like a reference to food oh really like that food was fire huh i mean i never heard of it i have i not wouldn't know what they're talking about yeah what about if something hits different like if i listen to a song i'm like oh that song hits different i don't know make a guess

Hits different. You don't like it? Hits different? No, it's actually a good thing. So hits different is kind of saying like, oh, that's good. Like that's a lot better than normal. Yeah. That's weird. Hits different. It makes no sense. Do you guys remember any slang from back in your day? Do people say jiffy or stuff? Jiffy. What slang? Jiffy.

I'll be back in a jiffy. Yeah, that means quickly. But was that like something cool people said? No, you didn't have to be cool. Yeah, I feel like it's kind of dorky. It's normal. What if someone says something and I go, oh, I'm dead. I say, I'm dead. You're in trouble? I'm in trouble? That's what I would guess it to be. Somebody what? If I say, I'm dead. Someone says something. So somebody, yeah, say they crack a joke and I go, I'm dead.

You gave a really big hint there. I gave a big hint. You don't get it? You didn't get it? Oh, no. It means that you think it's hilarious. You think it's funny. Like, I'm dead. That's so funny. I think all of these are weird. Probably. They're so weird. They really are when you think about it. I've never heard of them. To me, they're weird. Oh, my goodness. Okay, last one. What about... There's better ways to communicate. There's better ways? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Hey, you had your slang back in the day. That made no sense. Don't make fun of our slang. Okay, okay. I didn't think of anything, but I guess we did. We didn't make it up. What about if it's like, let's get lit? Oh, yeah. That's lit. On my mama, we lit. Don't say that. I don't know. Do you know? I think that's a TikTok. Is that a TikTok? Yeah. That's a TikTok sound. I don't watch TikToks. Getting lit is normally like in reference to like

Getting drunk or something. Well, I mean, it's like let's party. Or let's party. Yeah, it doesn't necessarily mean getting drunk. It means like let's get lit. Let's go. Let's party. Back in the day they said that? That guy was really lit. I heard that. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. But he loaded. It all comes back. Loaded. I've heard that. Loaded. Oh, my goodness. That's hilarious. Well, I can't thank you guys enough for being on this podcast. Thank you so much for being on the Unplanned Podcast, episode 10. And just...

You're the best. And I'm so glad you come to visit even though you guys don't like getting on airplanes. I'm dreading leaving already. And leaving. Yeah, I'm surprised. We're going to be back in a few weeks. Yeah, you'll be back.

You'll be back. Actually, like two weeks. We'll see you again. Griffin loves seeing you guys. Oh, Griffin. Oh, Griffin. You'll have to come visit us in Arizona more. This has been fun. Well, if you guys have not gone ahead and hit the like button or hit subscribe, it'd mean a whole lot to us. And if you're listening on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, leave us a review. It goes a long way. And matter of fact, I think we even have a review. Yes, I have a review to read from one of you kind listeners. Did you actually find a review to read beforehand? Yeah.

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love to hear any marriage advice i'm 21 get married in july so it's very easy to relate to you both i'd love to send y'all an invite if you have a mailing address wow wow so this is from at lauren o'grady future mrs tremaine that's so cool maybe we'll be at your wedding are you able to fly though like if we wanted to go to this wedding could you be fly there oh you might be too far along to see the location we'll have to look at yeah if we could drive maybe it could work because i don't know if you can fly then we'll at least send a wedding gift

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